For those of you who weren’t reading the last comment thread: GO VOTE!!!square root of 121!!!

The names “Beth” and “Ben” are apparently the new pointy white hood.

neither muslim nor islam is capitalized on purpose. DUH!

Being willfully half-literate doesn’t count as “on purpose”.

I didn’t know you could get a Ph.D. in paralegal studies.

neither muslim nor islam is capitalized on purpose. DUH!

More crypto-eliminationism – she’s destroyed their capitals.

She celebrated Islamofascism Week by removing the capital function from her keyboard.

I think they saw Kevin Drum’s “worst blog posts of all time” solicitation, and dreamed of the kind of publicity money can’t buy.

Their ability to spiel out acres of outrage over teensy-tiny points is positively Goldsteinian. Might they be a front organization?

I’ve submitted a definition to the Urban Dictionary

Beth
An internet handle for any number of drooling, half-witted, racist bloggers.
Beth said, “…it’s not muslims I hate–it’s islam–learn the difference, morons.”
Source: TomMil, New Jersey

It’s under the review of the Editors

Gavin, perhaps you need to use a lighter touch.

😉

Does she get paid every time you “go to the main site”? wtf?

The term Islamo-fascism perfectly describes the agenda of Iran and al-queda. Their goal is to establish a world wide Islamic caliphate, the goal of Nazi Germany was to establish a world wide German Empire. The end result of each would be very much the same, the entire world ruled by a fascist regime.

I think you wanted the first link to point to this post.

And further down in that comment Miss Beth lays out the wingnut version of free speech:

See, here in the United States, we have something called Freedom of Speech that works both ways–I don’t have to listen to your shit. And I can say whatever the hell I want.

Lawnguy that is priceless.

Man. Ugly, snarling, defensive AND stupid. And wearing ignorance and hatred with a kind of pride I haven’t seen since Skokie.

Do you suppose they use that bitter, snarling tone because they know in their heart they are wrong? Because it’s kind of a weird response to a suggestion that tolerance and peaceful coexistence might be a better, more sustainable way to live than wholesale destruction and eternal warfare.

I mean, if you can get mad about that, bitterly, hatefully angry about NOT killing people and wrecking their shit, what does it ultimately say about who you are and whether I’d want to be your neighbor…

mikey

Wow, a nest full of hornets with imaginary stingers.

Will you watch where you’re walking, Gav? Now thete’s a swarm of hornets around, pretending that they’re stinging things.

I’m, like, so totally annoyed.

And, TomMil: Kudos! (Whatever the fuck that means)

Saul – I think that McDonald’s wants to establish world-wide regime of Happy meals. Do you oppose Hambo-fascism? why not? Do you hate our freedoms?

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Is she that “God’s Warrior” woman from that wife swap show? She seems to have the same sort of in need of Ridalin style of freeform communications.

I’ll bet “Saul” is really “Paul”

It’s so nice when people give me publicity…even if they can’t be bothered to 1) follow directions to go to the main blog site

Poor site design is NOT a badge of honor.

Why do I get the feeling that debating with beth, beth or beth would be a lot like the debates I have when I’m baby-sitting my 4-year-old nephew and it’s time for bed.

Kitty say no!

Nicky, be reasonable, I don’t think the kitty is that adamant about you staying up longer considereing you tried to cut off his whiskers and then tried to ride him down the stairs.

Poop! Hee hee hee! Butt! Hee hee hee!

So, you’ve completely fabricated this “Beth” person and her multiple personalities?

I love it when “conservatives” say things like:

Their goal is to establish a world wide Islamic caliphate, the goal of Nazi Germany was to establish a world wide German Empire.

This is sort of equivalent to saying that the Catholics and Mormons want to establish a worldwide Christian Church together.

Don’t bother learning anything beyond what you are spoon fed, “rabbi”. I understand how hard the googles are to use.

But just in case you want a hint, try putting ‘compare sunni shia’ into Teh IntetOObz, and see what comes out. Who knows, you might learn something?

By the way, it’s not muslims I hate–it’s islam–learn the difference, morons. EDIT–neither muslim nor islam is capitalized on purpose. DUH!

Looks like she made an excursion to Big Lots and bought some commas, too. If somebody woul just explain to her the difference between hyphens and long dashes …

This is America! We speak English here, woman!

Wow, Beth is a great find. I hate to seem like I’m competing, but I found my own new wingnut moron last night. Actually, he found me on YouTube to tell me what a useless liberal loser I am…LOL.

I don’t know how to put links in here, but I just know that you folks here at Sadly, No, will not be able to resist the horror of Mr. L and his Tavern:
http://mrltavern.podbean.com/

His promo video is really just that horridly hilarious.

Ana asif.
Marhaba, Beth. Kayf haalik? Ana bekhair.
Kalimaatik madhahhukaan.

El Cid has gone off the deep end.

Ok, who runs this goddam blog?

You? Ok, listen up, funny boy. I never posted on your silly blog. I post under the name “mikey”. The mikey that posts on this piece of shit site is some other dude. That should be freakin obvious to anybody with half a brain, moron. Why you can’t tell the flippin difference between mikey and mikey I don’t know. Are you being intentionally obtuse? Does it somehow serve your homo agenda to pretend not to be able to tell the difference? Jeez, this is the worst thing that’s happened to me since an hour ago when my coffee got cold. I got so pissed I threw the cup against the wall and had to go out in the parking lot and scream at the people passing by for a good twenty minutes. But this. This is unbelievable…

mikey (this one, not that one that isn’t me even thought you have trouble telling the difference because you are a moron)

show me [New Testament]

Pick your passage.

“Click on it again, you lying sack of pork infested, goat fucking, woman hating piece of shit.”

A sack of a piece of shit?

Beth is a pile of a load of dumb.

Jeez, this is the worst thing that’s happened to me since an hour ago when my coffee got cold. I got so pissed I threw the cup against the wall and had to go out in the parking lot and scream at the people passing by for a good twenty minutes.

Here we have, in sum, the entire New Right / Reaganite style which has dominated U.S. politics for the last 30 odd years.

I never considered myself particularly smart or anything, but after reading some of that funny talk from beth, I feel like a genius.

Maybe I should get a BA in biology to go along with my PhD in Economics?

Apparently Ben…is actually …while Beth also posts with…. And by the way, oh my God, it’s this guy again.

Gary’s taking notes furiously.

Hi Sadly lovelies, I been away a few months, but am about to catch up. Where do I find the dog book?

I didn’t know you could get a Ph.D. in paralegal studies.

Maybe they’re more educated, yet still dumber, than JDs.

Their goal is to establish a world wide Islamic caliphate

My goal is to win NCAA Championship in the 100M dash. Seeing as how I’m 34, not particularly fast, and out of eligibility, my chances of reaching that goal are roughly the same as the islamofacists chances of reaching theirs.

“Click on it again, you lying sack of pork infested, goat fucking, woman hating piece of shit.”

“Pork Infested”? Huh? First of all, I think that would have to be Pinko Punko. He of the holy snorkle. Second, I LOVE pork. Pork is not a bad thing. So why would “pork infested” be an insult. Seems to me, since practicing muslims don’t eat pork, if anything, in beth’s tiny world of hate and anger, “pork infested” would be a complimentary description, as it would clearly be describing someone other than a muslim.

Jeez, this is the worst thing that’s happened to me since an hour ago when my coffee got cold. I got so pissed I threw the cup against the wall and had to go out in the parking lot and scream at the people passing by for a good twenty minutes.

Here we have, in sum, the entire New Right / Reaganite style which has dominated U.S. politics for the last 30 odd years.

Oh goody. I’ve perfected it. Can I get some of that sweet RM Scaife money and a cushy gig at peed-my-pajamas media?

mikey

My goal is to win NCAA Championship in the 100M dash. Seeing as how I’m 34, not particularly fast, and out of eligibility, my chances of reaching that goal are roughly the same as the islamofacists chances of reaching theirs.

I’d say your chances are MUCH better because you actually exist.

I bet Ben posts as Ann Althouse

Seitz-

Do you live near KC?

By the way, I know the phrase “Islamofascist” is a handy catch-all term for real or imagined Muslim ooga-booga-men that we can use to ensure that we’re at least vaguely on the same page as the delusional freaks we’re berating – sorry, debating – but there are other phrases we could use that have a snappy ring and still portray the full hideousness of the Islamo menace. I think we should use phrases like “ultra-conservative Islam” or “extreme right-wing Islam” – hell, even just “right-wing Islam”. It’s accurate, and would really get Beth/Ben/Gary/pick-your-favourite-right-wing-halfwit’s goat.

I looked at beth, beth or beth’s site for a minute and decided Gavin was being more than fair to the weird sisters. And it looked like – I may be wrong about this – it looked like beth, beth or beth is supporting Fred Thompson.

Can relatives use support of Fred Thompson to prove insanity and have someone committed? Just wondering.

Even my Reagan-loving Mom has enough sanity to see that Giuliani, Thompson, Romney and McCain are all delusional, evil, stupid and/or opportunistic. (I suspect she’ll declare for Ron Paul soon.)

Bu..Bu..but..

You capitalized islam!

I think we should use phrases like “ultra-conservative Islam” or “extreme right-wing Islam” – hell, even just “right-wing Islam”.

I like it, kiki. “Conservative Islam” it is, from now on.

LOL mikey, LOL.

I told you you had one chance left to even prove you were part of the human race. The site does open, it’s not my fault you’re totally incompetent. Click on it again, you lying sack of pork infested, goat fucking, woman hating piece of shit.

Go ahead and report me, dickwad. While you’re at it, moron, prove the violence you claim I threatened. Haha–you can’t because I didn’t. Just keep in mind you came to MY blog and started YOUR shit–and I have the entire record.

Goodness gracious!

It appears the Righty crowd have finally filled the vacant chair left when Ilyka Damen converted.

What Saul, Beth, and the rest of the mouth-breathers repeatedly fail to recognize is that while Hitler was an actual fascist with the intent and apparant capability to fulfill his fucked-up-ed-ness, the half-wit fanatics running about in the desert haven’t the resources, nor the corporate machine (kinda inherent with fascism) to actually achieve anything of substance. Besides, with A-Rod leaving the Yankees, I aspire to play 3d base in the Bronx next year. Do any of you patriots have the moral resolve to stop my evil plot?

Apparently Ben .. is actually ‘dajjal,’ who posts with Beth at Miss Beth’s Stomping Grounds, while Beth also posts with Ben, under the name ‘Ben,’ ….

I’m picking up a gay subtext here.

Everytime you captialize ‘islam’, God kills a kitten.

Yeah, I think I’ll be ‘Beth’ whenever I troll for sex on Craigslist.

“I am not, and have never been, gay.”

Sure, Be(n)th, sure.

“The Islamic Right.” Apt, particularly how it was the policy of the awesome, supremely wise U.S. foreign policy establishment to empower their thugs and clients across the Muslim world to eliminate any leftist Muslims they could.

And, of course, the same extremist right wing drug running terrorist warlord fundamentalist Islamic nuts hired by the liberal hawks and the Reagan right to destroy the secular government of Afghanistan were awesome “freedom fighters” then but terrible Islamo-fascists now.

Of course, if Islamo-Fascists were really and truly fascist, then Michael Ledeen and the NR types would love them.

THAT is your simplest way of knowing that they don’t really mean it when they use the term “Islamofascist”.

By the way, “Islam” is not capitalized in Arabic.

Their goal is to establish a world wide Islamic caliphate

My goal is to win NCAA Championship in the 100M dash. Seeing as how I’m 34, not particularly fast, and out of eligibility, my chances of reaching that goal are roughly the same as the islamofacists chances of reaching theirs.

What would be really awesome would be to win the NCAA Basketball championship while simultaneously setting a record in the 100M dash.

Can relatives use support of Fred Thompson to prove insanity and have someone committed? Just wondering.

http://www.bazelon.org/issues/commitment/positionstatement.html

Hmm. How quickly will the Bush Jr / Cheney middle finger be delivered to this ruling?

Rice to face subpoena in espionage case

By MATT APUZZO, Associated Press Writer 34 minutes ago

WASHINGTON – Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and other senior intelligence officials will be subpoenaed to discuss their conversations with pro-Israel lobbyists, a federal judge ruled Friday in an espionage case.

Lawyers for two former American Israel Public Affairs Committee lobbyists facing espionage charges have subpoenaed Rice, National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley, Deputy National Security Adviser Elliott Abrams and several others to testify at their trial next year. Prosecutors had challenged the subpoenas in federal court.

Lobbyists Steven Rosen and Keith Weissman have argued that the Israeli interest group played an unofficial but sanctioned role in crafting foreign policy and that Rice and others can confirm it. If they ultimately testify in court, the trial in federal court in suburban Alexandria, Va. could offer a behind-the-scenes look at the way U.S. foreign policy is crafted.

But, of course, if AIPAC lobbyists argue in court that they themselves are unofficially helping to determine U.S. foreign policy, THEY ARE ANTI-SEMITES AND DERSHOWITZ NEEDS TO TORTURE THEM RIGHT NOW.

“I like it, kiki. “Conservative Islam” it is, from now on.”

Catchy, ain’t it? It stems from an exchange I had on another board where I challenged the resident trolls to name one substantive social issue on which their views differed from those of the right-wing Islamists they claimed to despise. They launched into a spectacularly cretinous bout of diversionary quibbling over the definition of the term “neocon”, but of course, they couldn’t name one.

I extend the same challenge to Sadly, No!’s knuckle-dragging set, of course.

Did you just imply that I have really long arms?

I’m just an ordinary person tired of the liberal stranglehold on this country.

Thank you, Beth, I needed a laugh today.

Gavin,

“Zoom?” Jesus Christ. In a childhood scrapbook, I still have the 1974-vintage, addressed-to-me “Zoom” postcard with a picture of Tracy on it. I was four, she was eight, it never would have worked. The show just wasn’t the same after she left.

“Zoom.” Christ on a pony.

If the west doesn’t wake up and take this threat seriously the Islamo-fascists absolutely do have a chance of achieving their fascist goals. Right now most of Europe is ignorant to the threat as evidenced by recent polls which show that more Germans think the US and Israel are greater threats to world peace than Iran. Or maybe the Germans just miss their Nazi overlords and want to try and take over the world themselves and get their butts handed to them a third time. And one more thing about the similarity between the Islamo-fascists and the Nazis, they both want to exterminate the Jews. Hitler, Bin Laden and Ahmadenijad have all said that publicly. That is why Iran must be stopped at all costs from building nuclear weapons.

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I LOVED Zoom. When I was at Boston University in the late ’70s the original Asian Zoom girl was there. She was like so cool. We were like so in awe.

more Germans think the US and Israel are greater threats to world peace than Iran

Maybe they’re looking at the reality on the ground, and assessing who’s actually done more damage and more killing over the last few years. As opposed to the conservative methodology of repeating childish nonsense over and over again and pissing themseles and hiding under the bed.

Just a thought. An independent one. I made it up myself.

Where do you get your thoughts? Wal-Mart?

If I upset you by disagreeing with you, I apologize. I’ll try to be more politically correct next time and consider your feelings.

Their goal is to establish a world wide Islamic caliphate. . . The end result of each would be very much the same, the entire world ruled by a fascist regime.

That is more or less exactly like saying “vegetarians are trying to take over the world, and if they do they will force us to eat hamburgers.”

A caliph is a religious leader, one who puts his religion first. A fascist is a political leader, one who puts his state above all else. To the fascist, his country and its government are first, last, and all-important. In other words, you can not be a fascist AND believe that your religion is the most important thing in the world.

Shorter me: The term “islamofascist” is a term invented by idiots for idiots.

Bonus question for those who are against “islamofascism”: the term “fascism” includes characteristics such as nationalism, militarism, and corporatism. If you are against fascism, that means you are against those things too, right? And since you are against those things, what are you prepared to do to stop them right here in America?

I was four, she was eight, it never would have worked.

I was more into Bernadette, but it seems there are other reasons besides age that it wouldn’t have worked:
http://www.bernadetteyao.com/

Just to make clear, I have no connection to the Beth referred to here;

And gavin I am Beth from Blue Star Chronicles. The woman who has this blog is also Beth, but a different Beth. We are friends and we both just happen to have the same first name. That doesn’t mean we are the same person. We are two different people. Are you able to understand that or do I need to type it slower to let it sink in?

Beth, are you confusing Gavin with Ann Althouse, who I am not?

Islamofascism’s Top Secret Plan for World Conquest:

1) Appear to be divided into mutually hostile governments, religious sects, and strains of nuttiness. This way they will never suspect that you are actually a well-armed and unified global caliphate plotting to destroy the West. Also, frequently threaten to unite all Muslims and destroy the West. Then they’ll never guess.

2) ???

3) VICTORY!!!

I wonder how old that second kid, the one in the blue and red striped shirt is these days? I’ll bet he’s downright legal!

Do you live near KC?

Not particularly. Depends on how you define close. Chicago?

Or is this a joke I’m not getting?

I’m assuming Step 2 is a carefully detailed plan that shows how they will do it (probably as detailed and as credible as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion), but it’s in Arabic so it came up as question marks.

Hey! I like the term Islamo-Facsist!

Are you making fun of me?

a different brad said,

Just to make clear, I have no connection to the Beth referred to here;

I didn’t write this, btw.

Tim said,

November 2, 2007 at 20:46

I’ll bet “Saul” is really “Paul”

I’ll bet “Saul” is really “Gary” too.

Hoosier X, you are correct, but I can only assume that it is because you have islamified yourself, especially considering the X in your name. (Note: islamified is NOT capitalized. Heh.)

We could learn Arabic and decode their mystery plan, but that would be unpatriotic and too difficult. Besides, bombs make better telivision viewing.

“Hitler, Bin Laden and Ahmadenijad have all said that publicly. That is why Iran must be stopped at all costs from building nuclear weapons.”

1. Hitler is long dead.

2. Bin Laden has nothing to do with Iran; in fact, Iran being a largely modern Shi’ia nation is entirely inapposite to the Suni bin Laden.

3. Ahmadenijad never said he wanted to exterminate the Jews, as has been repeatedly demonstrated. More importantly, Ahmadenijad has neither the capacity nor political support to pull off such a stunt.

4. Fascism has nothing to do with religious fanaticism, and everything with nationalism, corporatism, militarism, and the glory of the state above all else, as emobodied by an all powerful executive. Sound familiar? It should. Hint: it ain’t Islam, professor.

I don’t hate christians, just christianity. I didn’t capitalize it for a reason.

Aw, Legalize, let the little tyke be. He’s just repeating what the grownups say.

Hey, saul, did you get any good candy this year?

For the curious, the question marks came up when I tried to use Arabic script. Instead I transliterated into phonetics.

I’m a different different beth from the different beth above.

People can have the same name morons-And I didn’t capitalize morons intentionally-DUH!

There you go, Legalize, trying to explain aerodynamics to a mailbox.

And, Seitz, I was just wondering if I went to school with you. I guess not.

It isn’t right to call Beth “Beth.”

Call her “Althouse.”

I suspected that, El Cid, but I didn’t see any durka durkas in the phoenetic translation, so I knew it wasn’t real islamo-fascist.

I’m actually a different beth from the others. Isn’t that obvious from my writing style? I’m batshit insane in a completely unique way. Morans.

Maybe the various beths could tell us what points they disagree on, eh? Because if they all think and write in exactly the same way, I could care less how many fingers are pounding this pulp out.

“There you go, Legalize, trying to explain aerodynamics to a mailbox.”

Actually, my mailbox seemed to get the gist. A number of citation errors in its term paper, however.

Hi Sadly lovelies, I been away a few months, but am about to catch up. Where do I find the dog book?

Hey, flawedplan. Good to see you. By dog book do you mean something like a guide to major breeds?

recent polls which show that more Germans think the US and Israel are greater threats to world peace than Iran.

No shit. Really? Gee, I wonder where they might have come up with such a wacky consensus. D’you suppose they might have looked around at the world to determine which countries were currently invading/occupying/attacking/bombing other countries, and determined on the basis of that history AND the current threats and saber-rattling that they are the nations most likely to do it again?

The US and Israel are dangerous, heavily armed thugish rogue nations who do not seem to have any internal restraints against launching deadly military attacks and invasions on any other nation they choose, for any reasons they choose. Used to be the US was the one to roll back aggression. Now we lead the league in aggression…

mikey

Oh, I don’t have the pie script installed on this machine (yet), so yeah, I responded to that weird little cretin saul, but if the little fucker tries to respond I’m gonna go back to ignoring him and his somewhat mainstream love of desert pastries…

It’s not the fans I hate, it’s the band!

I told you you had one chance left to even prove you were part of the human race.

Damn, Gav! She is onto your true identity!! Quick, activate your super-Turing mode stat!

Also, I like the term islamofascist, but only when used ironically. Especially in combination with other mutually-exclusive isms such as communism or feminism (Feminislamofascist, etc)

I will put in a serious plea now – please avoid using ‘right-wing’ or ‘right’ when referring to conservatives or wingnuts. There are lots of people out there who genuinely believe the Repugs are correct because they are called ‘right’.

How to I know this? I work with hundreds of them. Hearing something here such as, “They must be right because they are called ‘the Right’.” is not uncommon. Also, “those liberals are going to be left behind if they don’t shape up! Why do you think they are called ‘the Left’?” Yes, my workplace is a living hell if I think about it too much.

But please. Use basic framing and avoid the term ‘right’. Hanx!

Oh, and I don’t think ‘saul’ is gary. He’s not wordy enough.

I’m not that Beth, you idiot! I’m that other Beth. Get a brain!

I don’t hate Christianity.

I do have a very strong dislike for certain Christians. The ones who say God works in mysterious ways when they can’t rationalize the Bible’s contradictions, but have no problem speaking for God when it comes to gay marriage.

A tiny bit of consistency would help Christianity immensely.

I’m Beth; so is my wife!

How could you confuse me with all those other Beths?

Is it not clear from my writings that I am the one and only true beth?

Oh, I don’t have the pie script installed on this machine (yet), so yeah, I responded to that weird little cretin saul, but if the little fucker tries to respond I’m gonna go back to ignoring him and his somewhat mainstream love of desert pastries…

Now mikey – you should respect the Cock. Er, Glock …

Doodle Bean,

Do they also say shit like “It’s Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve!” like its a Bible verse? Or like it actually means something?

Another one I like is “If men evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?” Gosh, Einstein, you got me there!

You can’t say “It’s not rocket science” because everything is rocket science to these people.

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Their goal is to establish a world wide Islamic caliphate, the goal of Nazi Germany was to establish a world wide German Empire. The end result of each would be very much the same, the entire world ruled by a fascist regime.

Wow – world domination to spread their way of life! That’s unfathomable evil!

[British Empire]

[Holy Roman Empire]

[Byzantine Empire]

[Spanish Conquest of the Americas]

[Crusdades]

Beth, I hear you callin
But I cant come home right now
Me and the boys are fightin muslims
And we just cant find the religious justification for hating millions of people
Just a few more footnotes in obscure religious texts
And Ill be right home to you
I think I hear the islamofascists callin
Oh, beth what can I do
Beth what can I do

Howdy J, I came by to find the 8,000 comment thread on Identity Politics we did early this year, need to do some studying, but went into fits of hysteria at this from Miss Beth:

Read a dog book, the dog is called a dog because that is what he is.
Is that stereotyping? No, that is calling a dog a dog.

No, that belongs on a shirt.

I think that you should all just come to my main site, so that I can show all of my friends named Beth that I do matter.

(Plus, I get paid by the hit for my ads.)

All of the confusion about who the real Beth is should be obvious. Duh!

There are lots of people out there who genuinely believe the Repugs are correct because they are called ‘right’.

Um, Doodle Bean? Do you really think those people are going to suddenly develop the intellectual capacity to understand the world around them if we all agree to stop calling it “right wing”? My condolences, BTW, on your work situation, colleague-wise.

Why have I been receiving so many scuba gear catalogs lately?

Whoa Nellie, I don’t know if she can even get a toilet this big.

Don’t you idiots know anything about the Bible? When Jesus says he’s going to torture most of humanity for eternity in hellfire, that isn’t violent or hateful – it’s just a fact. Divine justice. Some people way back at the beginning of time at an apple they weren’t suppposed to, you see. Fair is fair.

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thanks for the ‘being john malkovich’ reference. my day is now complete.

I don’t hate Christianity.

I guess I could say this is true of me also, but only because it’s really not a valid construct. While I have strong feelings about the value of certain mythologies, I don’t think it’s possible to “hate” one.

That said, I am very firmly in the Sam Harris camp, and believe that religion and “faith” as they currently exist are dangerous and destructive, and it’s hard to visualize a sustainable society without their elimination.

As long as people are allowed to build a worldview that is entirely based on unreasonable beliefs unsupported by any facts or observations, and then while holding this worldview and using it to make value judgments and to guide important decisions, we will end up with ancient tribal hatreds and alliances driving our societal relations with the most disastrous results…

mikey

OK, this is OT, but nobody seems to come up with the right topic, so anyway. Why in the flaming blue halls of hell are American god-botherers so damn bad at their god-bothering??? I mean, by number and percentage, we have more god-botherers than any other country in the non-islamocommunowierdsortareligion world; we have more uber-rich televised god botherers than anybody else; we have more property, assets and income dedicated to god-bothering than the rest of the Western world combined (ok, maybe excluding Vatican City or whatever the pope country is called); and yet the U.S. appears to be god’s own dart board. The islamofascist hordes are at our borders, the omgthey’rescary brown hordes are within our borders, we’re constantly being specifically targeted by natural disasters, etc. If all these frenzied faithful could god bother worth a rusty fuck, we should be safe as houses. Dammit, on your scabby knees and get to work.

My first cat was named Beth. She was a little black and white from a local grocery. She had the loudest purr of any cat I’ve ever known, and licked my hands when happy. Got her when I was five, she died two days before I graduated from college.
Eff you other Beths for soiling her name, except, of course, for the other, different Beths who aren’t like those Beths who Beth a Beth Beth.

but went into fits of hysteria at this from Miss Beth

Got it. Sometimes a dog is a bigoted bounty hunter with a soon-to-be-canceled reality TV show.

Yes, Kathleen. It is priceless. A moonbat’s view of a wingnut’s view of free speech but written by a wingnut not a moonbat. Auto-idiotic pwnation so perfect one has to suspect parody and taking of the piss.

And I love kiki’s suggestions. I hope they catch on. I like “conservative Islam” better because it will drive the wingnuts nuttier but “right wing Islam” might be a more accurate label. Sorry, Doodle Bean.

Doodle Bean: Turn it into a teaching experience! Tell them about the seating arrangement of the French Legislative Assembly in 1791.

People often confuse me for the Wife of Beth. Or of Beth. Or even of the other Beth. But I’m not, and here’s your proof:

Unnethe myghte they the statut holde
In which that they were bounden unto me.
Ye woot wel what I meene of this, pardee!
As help me God, I laughe whan I thynke
How pitously a-nyght I made hem swynke!

Thank you.

Hey! Where’s my pithy comment?

Les: what you said. Scabby knees it is, godbotherers!

After reading all this hullabaloo, I’m starting to get the impression that this Beth person is just simply not very smart. Which I guess is an ad hominem and therefore bad, but still.

Scabby knees? I thought I made the swallowing comment in the next thread.

les:
Taking your question semi-seriously, the answer is that, despite complaining when we quote the OT, much of their worldview is framed by the OT.

See, God is like a mafia king. He helps you out, lets you get out of slavery and conquer some land, or maybe slaughter the inhabitants of a continent and build a global empire, you say, “Thanks God!”

The thing is, someday he might want you to do something in return. And if you cross him, I mean, wow, I don’t even wanna think about it. Look at what he did to the Jews! Invasions, plagues, famine, locusts, re-enslavement, diaspora, persecution, the Shoah… now they’ve got the islamonazis.

Read any of the OT prophets. Everyone has to convert and do this or xyz will happen. Hoo boy, here comes xyz. If we end up with a global caliphate, don’t say the Christians didn’t warn you.

So. This woman has multiple websites and blogs dedicated to hatin’ the Muslims and/or just hating Islam. Is that right? Man. That’s a lot of effort into filling your soul with bile. I mean, really, couldn’t you just stand on the street corner and scream incoherently for a couple hours, then move on with your day?

I used to date a girl named Beth. She was nice, don’t remember why we broke up, though. I don’t reckon this is her, though. Boy, that would suck, wouldn’t it? Finding out years later that being in a relationship drove someone wingnut?

are you implying that one (or more) of these Beths is a cat, different Brad?!

As in
Oh Hai!
I can haz izlamofobeya?
Kathleen?

And further down in that comment Miss Beth lays out the wingnut version of free speech:

See, here in the United States, we have something called Freedom of Speech that works both ways–I don’t have to listen to your shit. And I can say whatever the hell I want.

Oops! Looks like Ms. Beth just flunked her Miller Analogy Test. No Ph.D. in paralegal studies for HER!

or as in:

Iz made u a pork infested piece of shit but I eated it.

How did u get it out uv teh bag, Kat-leen?

Wow, Beth’s web site design just screams “unmedicated personality disorder,” doesn’t it? Really, I’ve seen cleaner designs by people who blog about how the CIA has implanted a listening device in their scrotum.

A caliph is a religious leader, one who puts his religion first. A fascist is a political leader, one who puts his state above all else. To the fascist, his country and its government are first, last, and all-important. In other words, you can not be a fascist AND believe that your religion is the most important thing in the world.

Shorter me: The term “islamofascist” is a term invented by idiots for idiots.

Notorious P.A.T. is a gawd of the InterToobz.

How deluded do you have to be to think there’s a liberal stranglehold? Is this the whole “reality has a liberal bias” thing, because they’re indignant that they clapped OH-SO-HARD but Tinkerbell is still dead?

Hey, no impugning the cats, adb. We iz not crzy kthxbai.

josephdietrich said,

November 2, 2007 at 23:41

After reading all this hullabaloo, I’m starting to get the impression that this Beth person is just simply not very smart. Which I guess is an ad hominem and therefore bad, but still.
=================================

Yep. Just check this snippet from her bio:

“I’m a single mom with two teenagers at home, a grown child who has left the nest and three incredible grandchildren.”

So, Beth’s grandchildren are “1. not credible. 2 seeming too unusual to be possible” (according to Webster’s).

Don’t worry Beth, I’m sure they feel the same way about their Nana!

Get it! cuz you’re fuggin nutz!

How did u get it out uv teh bag, Kat-leen?
Her wave function collapsed.

Im in ur sak
infestin ur pawk

This has become far to Byzantine for my limited skillz,but I have a feeling Bruce might be hanging out with at least one Beth…

So. This woman has multiple websites and blogs dedicated to hatin’ the Muslims and/or just hating Islam. Is that right? Man. That’s a lot of effort into filling your soul with bile. I mean, really, couldn’t you just stand on the street corner and scream incoherently for a couple hours, then move on with your day?

Miss Beth knows that if you stand on the street corner and scream you’re exposed to wind and rain and cold and eventually someone comes and takes you to a place where they give you meds that make you drool. She has found that expressing herself online is much better all around – she’s more comfortable indoors where kids don’t throw things at her and she has easier access to the many, many tins of Vienna Sausages she has stored behind the couch.

Apparently, all the Beth’s have forgotten 1 Timothy 2:12

“But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.”

In other words, Beth(s), you are commanded by Jesus to STFU.

“But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.”

You’re assuming Beth: 1. Is a female (hard to tell with the neo-cons these days), 2. Gives a flaming damn about the Bible (see previous parenthetical post).

I think this quote from Jesus sums up my feelings on Beth(s):

“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are…You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men’s bones and everything unclean. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.”

Islamofacists.

Do they have snappy uniforms yet?

Thing is, most everything I enjoy can fairly be described as “unclean wickedness”.

Bummer, huh?

mikey

I just want to point out that I’m a different Ben than the one you’re talking about. Although I do blog at Moderate MILFs for a Piece.

OK Its my contention that The Mighty THOR wants to be a godly enforcer of justice but ends up just being a dick with a magic hammer.

Mikey, you just have to make the change to clean wickedness. Do it for the gipper.

Islam is the only religion in the world that commits acts of terrorism in this day in age. I’m not saying I hate all muslims, I don’t. I am saying that the moderate muslims need to speak out against these monsters who have hijacked their religion and join the west in combating these insane mad men.

Saul, you are such a dick. The most prolific suicide terrorists are the Tamil Tigers, and they’re nominally Hindu. Of course, like most terrorist groups, their intent is political, so they’re technically secular nationalists, I think.

Try reading “Dying to Win” The Strategic Logic Of Suicide Terrorism” by Robert Pape. It’s an in-depth study of suicide terrorism, and I’m sure you’d learn a few facts therein.

OK Its my contention that The Mighty THOR wants to be a godly enforcer of justice but ends up just being a dick with a magic hammer.

I’d like to point out how much that sucks.

I’d want to be a hammer with a magic dick. But that’s just me…

mikey

Where’s Beth? I skive off all my work for the afternoon (intending to wing it tomorrow), in the hopes of playing wingnut bingo, and she’s not here. Where’s the extra-crunchy wingnutty goodness I was promised?

New Joe Strummer movie Y’all!!!

Man, Qetesh, I’ll never get it all straight in my mind. It’s early on a friday night here, just barely seven, I’m on my third scotch and it’s starting to give me a buzz, and I know the right-coasters, especially the young ones, are partying on friday night with their “dates” and their hippity hop music, but it still, even at this point, boggles my tiny mind that it’s morning elsewhere. Have a nice coffee and a waffle, my dear. Meantime, it’s friday night…

mikey

I’d want to be a hammer with a magic dick. But that’s just me…

A Magic Dick with a harp wouldn’t be bad.

I suspect Miss Beth does her “victory dance” in clog shoes which would make her a cloghopper.

Found Miss Beth’s victory dance har!

Maybe so, but in mikey world this is not a movie – its a documentary.

mikey

Hammer with a magic dick sounds pretty scary to me mikey.

Apropos of absolutely nothing, am I the only one who keeps expecting Dick Cheney to grab someone by their shirtfront and shout “It’s not my goddam planet, monkey boy!”?

Surely not.

Brain sucking alien would certainly explain the DC media’s sycophancy of Dick and George.

Do you suppose they use that bitter, snarling tone because they know in their heart they are wrong? Because it’s kind of a weird response to a suggestion that tolerance and peaceful coexistence might be a better, more sustainable way to live than wholesale destruction and eternal warfare.

No, I think it’s the human version of “junkyard dog syndrome”. You take an undernourished puppy away from its dam, stick it in a concrete-and-asphalt pen full of dangerous crap, insufficiently protected from the elements, and feed it garbage when you remember to feed it at all. Make sure it’s got a good view, through the chainlink fence, of all the cars, squirrels, people, and other dogs going by, living their lives, doing stuff, having fun, and totally ignoring the increasingly overstimulated animal. After a few months, you’re liable to end up with a dog who can’t do anything but race to & fro, or spin in tight circles, barking & snarling & attacking anything that approaches. It takes months of hard work to rehabilitate a dog with these problems, if it can be done at all…

All the Beths and Bens yapping at every falling leaf, racing back and forth along the same tightly proscribed talking points, flinging themselves at the mental chainlink barriers they’ve set up until they drop with exhaustion, attacking even the most unthreatening overtures from those outside their compounds full of intellectual garbage… even when they tell me they’ve done all this to *themselves*, that they’re happy pacing through a kennel full of their own wastes looking for another “intruder” to assault, I still find it sad.

Islam is the only religion in the world that commits acts of terrorism in this day in age.

Saul, when Eric Rudolph gets out, he is sooo going to kick your ass. Never diss the Swords of the Lord, unbeliever!

Anne Laurie, you nearly made me cry. I don’t know how people can mistreat animals like that.

Well, I do: they have no empathy. I’d share mine with them if I could, because I’ve got plenty.

Goddammit, the dogs are better than the humans. And this is a cat saying it.

it’s always amusing when someone who says “you lying sack of pork infested, goat fucking, woman hating piece of shit” also says “your comments will be moderated so if you want any face time, any publicity, anything, then you better clean up your act”.

I’m the real beth and the rest of these “beths” are just islamic muslim dooky head pig biting – did you know spoons are really shiny. I like that word. Spoon. Spoooon…SHUT UP YOU BASTARDS!!1!

Saul,

As was stated, there are many non-muslim religious terrorists. Eric Rudolph, who is part of Army of God, is one such example, as are the previously mentioned Tamil Tigers. God’s Army in Burma is another Christian group designated as terrorists, as are the National Liberation Front of Tripura, supported by the Tripura Baptist Church (they kill Hindus in India). There are Jewish terrorists (JDL), hindi terrorists, etc. etc. The IRA could be called a Christian terrorist group as well. There was also Aum Shinrikyo, who famously gassed the subways in Tokyo. In the former yugoslavia, both the Christian and Muslim sides committed horrible atrocities to each other.

I will grant you that there are more (and bigger) terrorists group fighting in the name of Islam than any other religion, but to state that it is the sole religion to practice terrorism is absurd.

Also, if there is any conflict between a state and a group, the group activity is usually classifed as terrorism, while the acts of the state are not (as terrorism is usually if not defined by, characterized by an attack against the state (or majority). I would not be surprised if it was your belief that if Iraqi’s attack US soldiers, its terrorism, but if US soldiers attack Iraqi’s, it is not. Thus, the mutual acts of violence between two groups may result in very different definitions of that violence. I do not think the US government conducts terrorist activities, but I am bothered by the large number of bombing campaigns the US has undertaken and the vast amounts of civilians who die as a result. My main point is that when a government kills civilians, it is not classified as terrorism, but when a rebelling army does, it is classified as so. I am sure many of those rebel groups (whether right or wrong) believe in their cause and consider this classification system to be unfair.

I am also sure that King George III considered the guerrilla tactics of the continental army during the revolutionary war to be acts of terrorism.

Some people (but not including me) define terrorism as “the deliberate creation and exploitation of fear for bringing about political change.” Now ask yourself if you use your tactic of creating a fear of muslims as a way to bring out your desired political results in this country? You don’t blow up federal buildings like that non-muslim Timothy McVeigh, so I would not call you a terrorist, but nonetheless, I am highly troubled by your use of “fear” as a tactic in our political discourse.

Anne Laurie, you nearly made me cry. I don’t know how people can mistreat animals like that.

It’s not just that the shiny cylinder stood out from the drab brown earth the way it did. Even at five, Hannah would have known that signified danger. But it was kind of a soft peach color, and it looked like it was soft to the touch. Hannah didn’t know what it was, but she knew many things could be dangerous around her aunt’s farm in southern Lebanon.

She found a piece of wood, and she poked it, first gently, then more vigorously. It seemed heavy for it’s size, which made Hannah even more curious. Finally she could contain her own curiosity no more. Certainly it was safe after all the prodding she’d given it.

Carefully she bent down and picked the cylinder up. She could fee the weight and heft inside. Hannah wondered if perhaps it had a monetary value, if she could sell it and help her parents pay rent on their farm. She turned the cylinder over, to see if it had a label or anything. Felt the contents come loose, and shift towards the other end….

BAM

Hannah will spend the next sixty three years blind, with only six-inch stumps for arms. She will never know joy, or peace, or love, or weath, or success. She will dwell, lost,in a world of eternal darkness, and ever few hours someone will feed her a meal not of her choosing or help her to the bathroom.

Yeah.

Those poor animals…

mikey

Mikey, I prefer to phrase it “I don’t know how people can mistreat other animals like that.”

Because the kid who enjoys torturing frogs so much that his playmates remember it 40 years later is the man who enjoys making fun of a woman he’s just condemned to death is the president who doesn’t care how many American soldiers die horribly just so that he can give his ‘Democrat’ enemies a big public eff-you.

Or, alternately, as a psychiatrist once told me concerning the chaotic adult lives of the children of abusive parents, “When you grow up in a war zone, you’re liable to end up with PTSD.”

mikey: I’d want to be a hammer with a magic dick. But that’s just me…

Please, Hammer–don’t hurt ’em!

“Even my Reagan-loving Mom has enough sanity to see that Giuliani, Thompson, Romney and McCain are all delusional, evil, stupid and/or opportunistic. (I suspect she’ll declare for Ron Paul soon.)”

After reading your hate filled comments about a truly decent person, (oh, for you Beth and Ben conspiracy theorists – you know not of what you speak – imagine that), I tried to pick out something that had some substance to it and the above quote is the best I could find.

If, while you were attempting to continue to get your jollies, you would have really checked out her site, you would know where she stands on the above named Republican candidates. I know I know where she stands.

I’m not going to do your work for you though other than to say that mentioning the name of the great Ronald Reagan in the same paragraph with ron paul (sorry, I don’t show respect by capitalizing names for those who don’t respect our troops) is totally out of my comprehension.

And I’m wondering how someone who has a Reagan loving mother has an offspring that is a part of such a hateful, rude, and disrespectful bunch?

Maybe you could learn something about respect from good ol’ Ronnie – he had such a high respect for the office he held that he would never enter the Oval Office without his suitcoat on.

Go ahead, make your funny comments, but maybe you could learn a thing or three about respect.

And one final note, you mention the above names being opportunisitic and your side of the fence is going to name hilary as your nominee – that irony has me needing to roll on the floor in laughter!!!!

Thank you, Cyber Pastor Ed, for visiting us and giving us the guidance that we need. We have indeed been rude and disrespectful, but I’m sure we will all try very hard to behave ourselves in the future.

Love your tie.

Cyber Pastor Ed – why do you hate Teh Funny?

Also, what is a Deciblez? Why is it Daily?

Every time one of you America haters disparages the name of Ronald Reagan, the man who created this world and only 30 years ago gave Freedom to Americans and single handedly killed Stalin Rasputin, I cry.

Dear Cyber Pastor,
Sorry, you failed to annoy any liberals today. Try finishing with learning english, first.
love,
Ann Althouse

As was stated, there are many non-muslim religious terrorists. Eric Rudolph, who is part of Army of God, is one such example, as are the previously mentioned Tamil Tigers. God’s Army in Burma is another Christian group designated as terrorists, as are the National Liberation Front of Tripura, supported by the Tripura Baptist Church (they kill Hindus in India).

The God’s Army in Burma was a splinter group of the Karen National Army joined by the “Vigorous Burmese Student Warriors” and “led” by a pair of pre-pubescent twins. Basically a bunch of fed-up and slightly crazy folks on the Burmese-Thai border who bit off waaaay more than they could chew in a) fighting the junta, and b) just trying to survive.

I’m not trying to dispute your premise that “terrorism” comes in many flavors well beyond Muslim, and I don’t know much about the other groups you cite. The God’s Army case is pretty complex, though, and it’s difficult for me to let it pass as an example of “Christian terrorism”.

On the other hand, maybe it just illustrates that none of this stuff is as black-and-white as the Beths make it out to be, that there are motivations for people’s actions in the world that go far past just the religion they espouse.

Beth and Cyber Pastor Bill,waging war for the civilized world through the lack of capitalization!How can you parody this stuff??

Maybe you could learn something about respect from good ol’ Ronnie – he had such a high respect for the office he held that he would never enter the Oval Office without his suitcoat on.

Seeing as how R was afflicted with Alzheimer’s, it’s likely Mrs. Ronnie remembered to put the suit coat on him as well as ensure his grey roots were touched up with black shoe polish.

Demosthenese, from what I’ve read very little of what’s called terrorism is about religion. All, or almost all, is about politics/nationalism/territory. At least, that’s the case with organised groups: lone nutcases are lone nutcases, and claim they speak to gods on a daily basis.

Demosthenes. Rats.

And MIkey, I wasn’t suggesting that I have no empathy for humans: quite the converse. But the suffering of the powerless/voiceless always makes me cry, and if there’s anyone that I can hate in this world, it’s those who cause suffering to other creatures without the slightest bit of remorse.

In case I need to be more explicit, yes, I cry over all the atrocities that humans commit on other humans. Is it any surprise that I’m heavily medicated, and will be for the rest of my life? Quite frankly, life would be a lot easier if I could be as callous and unfeeling as other people. Jeebus, I even carry spiders and bugs outside (although if they’re big spiders I tend more to shriek and throw paper jets from a distance) rather than risk stepping on them by accident.

Really, Man’s inhumanity to just about everything he can be inhuman to fills me with despair, and there are times when I can’t even bring myself to communicate in this extremely impersonal fashion. I have no traumatic experience that’s made me like this, as you have. I’m just cursed with extra dollops of weakness, I suppose.

I’ve also been supping a rather fine Hunter Valley shiraz. Take that however you wish.

How dare all these English writers capitalize the names of God and Jesus, which originally were written in alphabets which had no lower case?

It’s funny that teh cyber paster thinks we’d care which of the republicans beth supports. My guess would be tancredo or hunter but really, who gives a fuck? I did spend enough time there to discover that “dajjal” is definitely beth. And since dajjal is admittedly “ben” they’re all the same person. Mystery solved. What’s up with beth’s sockpuppetry, cyber paster? Why can’t she stick to one name?

Gavin M. said,

Not enough cowbell?

I am also sure that King George III considered the guerrilla tactics of the continental army during the revolutionary war to be acts of terrorism.

The act of scalping was introduced to the Indians by the British in an attempt to terrorize the French during French & Indian wars.

Maybe you could learn something about respect from good ol’ Ronnie – he had such a high respect for the office he held that he would never enter the Oval Office without his suitcoat on.

Man, you got a lot of goddammed nerve lecturing about respect after coming from that bile-filled site. I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone coming so unhinged so quickly and with so little provocation.

I told you you had one chance left to even prove you were part of the human race. The site does open, it’s not my fault you’re totally incompetent. Click on it again, you lying sack of pork infested, goat fucking, woman hating piece of shit.

Seriously, you call that respect?

racing back and forth along the same tightly proscribed talking points

This is a great image.

Maybe you could learn something about respect from good ol’ Ronnie – he had such a high respect for the office he held that he would never enter the Oval Office without his suitcoat on.

See, this reminds me of the Conservative Movement’s strange definition of respect. The beginning, and end, of this sense of “respect” is that people wear the right things, don’t look unhappy, don’t have sex, and don’t swear. If Bill Clinton got a blowjob in the Oval Office, but made good policy afterward, then that blowjob made his policy dishonorable. If Reagan wore a fine suit-coat while paying Nicaraguan contras to carry out terrorism, then his fine suit-coat made his support of the Contras honorable.

In my view, this definition of “respect” or “honor”, is just too petty to work in the real world.

This sense of “respect” seems to me to be the ultimate expression, in modern days, of rulebound attitude of the Biblical Pharisees– of their belief that the spirit that an action is completely unimportant, as long as it abides by the letter of a million petty laws.

..the spirit that an action is taken in is completely unimportant…

D. Aristophanes said,

“Cyber Pastor Ed – why do you hate Teh Funny?”

I don’t.
________________________________

D. Aristophanes said,

“Also, what is a Deciblez? Why is it Daily?”

That would be a play on words and something to make folks ask questions. Looks like it worked.
_______________________________
DEMIZE! said,

“Beth and Cyber Pastor Bill,waging war for the civilized world through the lack of capitalization!How can you parody this stuff??”

It’s Ed by the way, and if we want to make our point on who we give respect to, then I don’t think we need to call “DEMIZE” and ask permission. Also, how appropriate to have that name, as I feel that liberalism is TRYING to be the “DEMIZE” of our great country.
_______________________________________

Lesley said,

“Seeing as how R was afflicted with Alzheimer’s, it’s likely Mrs. Ronnie remembered to put the suit coat on him as well as ensure his grey roots were touched up with black shoe polish.”

Seems to me that it would speak to someone’s character to make fun of someone who had such a terrible disease in the latter part of his life. I am no Bill Clinton fan, but if he turned up with AIDS you wouldn’t here me cheering or making fun.
________________________________

Lawnguylander said,

“It’s funny that teh cyber paster thinks we’d care which of the republicans beth supports. My guess would be tancredo or hunter but really, who gives a fuck? I did spend enough time there to discover that “dajjal” is definitely beth. And since dajjal is admittedly “ben” they’re all the same person. Mystery solved. What’s up with beth’s sockpuppetry, cyber paster? Why can’t she stick to one name?”

It was someone from this site that brought up the topic of who Miss Beth supports, not me – I was just responding to one of the only comments I could find that had any substance to it, and not hate filled garbage directed at an individual. And not that you will take my humble word for it, but Ben, Beth, and Cyber Pastor are all three different people. I know it makes you feel good to think you have “outed” someone, but you are just proving your ignorance on this topic.
______________________________________

Snorghagen said,

“Love your tie.”

Thank you, it’s my favorite!

Blessings to you all, but I wish you would lay off my friend. She really is a good person and doesn’t deserve this onslaught of personal attacks. Yes, she went off on a verbal tirade, but unless you’ve walked in her shoe’s – you should be careful to judge.

And for all of you who think that the religion of islam is peaceful and ok to accept – all I can say is that when you find out you are wrong, you are going to be very disappointed when they aren’t loyal to the infidels who excused their behavior!

The Miss Beth that I know has intelligence, she has Patriotism,
and Beth is a friend of mine.
And she knows more about your islam idiots than you people have brains.
What’s the matter guys can’t you attack another guy?
Or wouldn’t that be political correct in your LINE of work?
Kind of like me, who the hell else gives a damn what the hell you people think, well once in a blue moon you do actually think???????
So let Cyber Pastor alone and keep your filthy mugs shut about Miss Beth.
Let me guess you get your cloring books and crayons free from
soros. So does fathead pelosi.
No blue moon you can’t think, try it reid does this all the time.

Actually, we love cloring with our Crayla Crayns.

Cassie, was that an attempt at free verse poetry?
Either it was very good, or you’re not too bright.

Oh, and Cyber Pastor, why the hell do you think some middle aged white guy who only heard of Islam’s existence about 6 years ago, like you, should be taken as a bigger expert on Islam than, say, Muslims?
You read a few very biased books, and now you know more about it than people who’ve lived their lives in it?
You must be a born-again.

Let me guess you get your cloring books and crayons free from
soros. So does fathead pelosi.

So, Cassie, do you in fact believe that, at SadlyNo.com, we all belong to some kind of group which is financed by George Soros?

cyber paster,

I didn’t say you were beth/dajjal/ben but you probably are. And I’m not trying to out beth. She called us idiots for not being able to figure out that dajjal is a different person. That’s why their being the same “person”is funny. In the post below submitted under the dajjal pseudonym, her regular commenters address the author as beth.And dajjal responds as beth.

http://missbeth.wordpress.com/2007/10/29/intolerant-hateful-bigot-how-dare-you-criticize-muslims/

Now, snooper is one of those commenters and if you’re calling that legend stupid then you and I are going to have a problem, my friend. I’ll remember your insolence when I’m working in concert with the forces of conservative Islam to institute sharia law. Should be any day now. Mwhahahahahahhah.

Cyber Pastor Ed replied:

“Love your tie.”

Thank you, it’s my favorite!

I figured. You’ve got a nice post-orgasm glow in that photo.

Cassie wrote:

Let me guess you get your cloring books and crayons free from soros.

Not to mention the opiates, pornography, and Marxist mind-control videos. George is very generous to his loyal minions.

No blue moon you can’t think, try it reid does this all the time.

Uh-hunh.

Cloring books? What the HELL are “cloring books”

A combo of cloying and boring? Those would typically be right wing tomes.

A reference to Clorox, a bleach, because your racist worldview includes hatred and fear of anyone swarthier than you?

Tellya what, Cassie, oh trailer-park pundit. Give me a few titles of these “cloring” books and I’ll check ’em out.

But if you recommend ’em, I’m gonna assume they are pretty much as stupid and bigoted as you are.

Cloring, indeed…

Sheesh…

mikey

Hmm. Y’know, now that I think about it, “Cassie” sounds an awful lot like beth.

D’you suppose…

Nah….

mikey

And in case you’re wondering, I did not capitalize “beth” on purpose…

Hee hee…

mikey

I think the comparison of Islam to Nazi Germany is because of the undercurrent of violent, expansionist supremacy that powers both. It is disingenuous in the extreme to pretend otherwise.

Attention my moonbat minions. If you have not gotten your fall ’08 cloring books in the mail it is likely because you have not yet submitted photographic proof that you performed the requisite # of gay abortions this past quarter. Did you think I would not notice? Also, many of you are still not putting cover sheets on your TPS reports. Do I need to send out another copy of that memo?

On the plus side, I’d like to commend you all for trying to thwart the three headed blogger known as beth/dajjal/ben. Truly she is a threat to my quest to see america fall into dhimmitude. We left wing atheists will realize our dream of being dominated by right wing islamists yet.

Just Asking wrote:

I think the comparison of Islam to Nazi Germany is because of the undercurrent of violent, expansionist supremacy that powers both. It is disingenuous in the extreme to pretend otherwise.

Allow me to make two points about your statement:
1): ‘Disingenuous’ is not synonomous with ‘naïve’.
2): You’re full of crap.

Have a nice day.

Oops. ‘synonymous’

Me spell gud.

I think the comparison of Islam to Nazi Germany is because of the undercurrent of violent, expansionist supremacy that powers both. It is disingenuous in the extreme to pretend otherwise.

Dear Just Asking:

I agree that if you simply look at statements made by the Nazis, and statements made by Osama bin Laden, about their strategic aims, there are some similarities. Hitler wanted a “Thousand Year Reich”, an empire that would rule Europe. Bin Laden has stated that he is working to create a religiously pure Sunni Caliphate that will rule the Middle East region. So if you just take what some leaders say, it sounds similar.

However, there is at least one way that radical Islam does not resemble the Nazis at all. I would argue, the difference is far more important than the similarity.

First, the Nazi party was in total control of the largest, best-equipped military in the world at that time, with huge armies, navies, submarine fleets, an air force that was better than any other at its prime, and also anti-terrorist/anti-guerilla intelligence units, all run by a state that had no significant dissent at all, and a strong economy that was completely devoted to war. The Nazis were able to completely conquer much of Europe, using their war machine against the weaker war machines of the surrounding countries, in actual battles of army-vs-army.

The radical Islamists, on the other hand, are a tiny, rag-tag group of people, who depend on state sponsors. They are not the rulers of any state. They are admired by many in the Middle East, but have no direct control over Middle Eastern countries. They have not regular army, they have not air force, they have no submarines, they have no intelligence service, they actually seem to have very little organization at all. They have no economy to use to create any of these things, having to get money for their war from secret sponsors. The only area of the Middle East that they have had any real effect on is Iraq, a failed state where they have tried to help out an insurgency that existed there before they arrived.

The idea that the Radical Islamist movement could take over Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, or even Gaza, is completely laughable. Thus, the real-world military/political/economic power differential between the Nazis of 1935 and the Radical Islamists of 2007 is a vast chasm. It is like comparing a Tiger to a Mosquito.

Snorghagen said (re: Cyber Pastor)
“You’ve got a nice post-orgasm glow in that photo.”

It’s probably the butt plug and the rubber suit under his business suit while dreaming of Ronnie Reagan. You know how it is, the second wet suit is only for special occasions.

Lotsa drivebys on this thread. They pop in, say something, then leave.

I’m sorry, Mr. Soros,

I’ve been too busy performing gay abortions and plotting the overthrow of the US gummit to submit my paperwork.

Please forgive me. I’ll clear all my appointments for tomorrow (as you know, Sunday is the most popular day for gay abortions) and get that taken care of.

Sorry again, sir. It won’t happen again, sir!

Your comment pleases me, Doodle-Bean. You shall receive an extra cloring book in return for your obeisance and your envelope may well be thicker than others’ when I give out the war on Christmas bonuses this year.

Incidentally, how are the Spanish lessons going? I have not forgotten my promise to you to appoint you to a position of great power once the reconquista is complete.

I am no Bill Clinton fan, but if he turned up with AIDS you wouldn’t here me cheering or making fun.

Why’d ya pick AIDS, eh compassionate conservative pastor man?

Alas, poor you. If only Bill Clinton would get AIDS, it would confirm your Fred Phelps view of sexuality.

Jus notha difrence tween teh Islam an teh Nazi’s.Nazi’s had a particularly virulent strain of racial doctrine associated with their form of fascism whilst the”expansionestIslamoNazifascists don’t particularly care what race or ethnicity you may be,if you part of the Ummah your part of the Ummah.Read the autobiography of Malcolm X,oh forget it………

Oh Pastor Ted.Demize! is a contraction of what the ladies are always saying about me,”Oh Dem eyes”not.Ah frig it SMASH THE STATE!

Snorghagen – “disingenuous” doesn’t mean naive, it means “dishonest.” I am suggesting that in knocking down your oh-so-dense antagonists, you are being dishonest in characterizing what drives their arguments. I suppose all is fair in political debate, but it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Even worse, it is pernicious. More on that in a minute.

Atheist, it is not true that the Nazis had the largest army in Europe – that honor goes to the French. Nor did they have the best-equipped forces- again, the French win that category, with (for example) substantially more tanks than Germany on the eve of the German invasion in May 1940. The German Navy began WWII with only 57 operational submarines, far fewer than even the Russian Navy.

Now your point is that there is no standing Islamofascist army, of course, and that is obviously true. The idea that the threat posed by Islamic military forces is anywhere close to that posed by the Nazis, the Cold War Soviets, the present day Russians or Chinese (all legitimate and IMHO much more worrying threats to America) is laughable.

But I object to this dismissal of wingnut concerns with half-truths and exaggerations. Why? Because when discovered, they are pernicious to the arguments against them. It is dishonest to say some Islamic fanatics don’t pose a legitimate threat to the West; saying so undermines your credibility and brings your motives into question.

A minority of Muslims are using the aggressive, supremacist tendencies of their religion as a vehicle for political violence. While this horrifies most Muslims, a minority of Westerners is tagging all Muslims by association with this violence. And you think the way to combat this is – To deny that the violence takes place, or that the religion of Islam is being used to justify it? Really?

It is dishonest to say some Islamic fanatics don’t pose a legitimate threat to the West

The last three words of this tend to destroy the thrust of the foregoing.

Remove the irritating tic of “tend to”.

To deny that the violence takes place, or that the religion of Islam is being used to justify it? Really?

I hope you understand what you’re talking about, pal, because I sure don’t. Who’s denying that there are violent Islamist extremists? Who’s denying that Islamists are motivated by religious beliefs?

The real question here is why am I wasting time arguing with an idiot who thinks Islam is comparable to the Third Reich?

“The idea that the threat posed by Islamic military forces is anywhere close to that posed by the Nazis…is laughable.” – Me, upthread

“The real question here is why am I wasting time arguing with an idiot who thinks Islam is comparable to the Third Reich?” – Snorghagen

So Snorghagen, are you illiterate or just dishonest?

“I think the comparison of Islam to Nazi Germany is because of the undercurrent of violent, expansionist supremacy that powers both. It is disingenuous in the extreme to pretend otherwise.” – Just Asking, upthread.

“The idea that the threat posed by Islamic military forces is anywhere close to that posed by the Nazis…is laughable.” – Just Asking, upthread

So only a fool would not compare Islam to Nazi Germany and only a fool would compare Islam to Nazi Germany. I see. Thank you for your input.

“The real question here is why am I wasting time arguing with an idiot who thinks Islam is comparable to the Third Reich?” – Snorghagen

That question looks better all the time. I think I’ll go stuff some breakfast in my illiterate, dishonest face.

Snorghagen,

Perhaps it is not dishonesty or illiteracy, but simply the inability to understand two statements that contain many of the same words, but mean different things.

I admit, it doesn’t seem all that difficult to understand: “Some people can see a violent, supremacist strand in Islamic fundamentalism that reminds them of the violent supremacy of the Nazis” – while at the same time – “Islamic extremists do not pose anywhere near the same threat to us that the Nazis did” – but perhaps you can let me know where you are getting tripped up.

a): Your original statement:
I think the comparison of Islam to Nazi Germany is because of the undercurrent of violent, expansionist supremacy that powers both. It is disingenuous in the extreme to pretend otherwise.

b): What you now seem to be arguing (my paraphrase):
I do not believe that Islam is really comparable to Nazism, but some people tend to equate the two because they feel that both ideologies are driven by a violent, expansionist urge to supremacy. It is extremely dishonest to pretend that no one thinks this way.

Sorry, but (a) doesn’t match (b). The first clearly says there is a comparison. But you’re now saying otherwise, so I’ll just assume the original statement was poorly worded.

But that still leaves this:
And you think the way to combat this is – To deny that the violence takes place, or that the religion of Islam is being used to justify it? Really?

As I asked before, who’s denying that there are violent Islamist extremists? Who’s denying that jihadists are motivated by religious beliefs? I don’t recall anyone writing anything like this. Why do you think that’s the general consensus here?

Snorghagen,

I think in order to take on wingnuts – and their rhetoric has reached truly frightening status in my mind, with a “make my day” attitude towards everything Islamic – we need to try to understand what is giving power to their arguments. People have a genuine fear of Islam; pretending it ain’t so, or that there is no reason that they do, is dishonest and damaging.

I know that’s not funny, but laughing at the wingnuts doesn’t seem to be working.

People have a genuine fear of Islam…

Certainly. Plenty of Americans have become addicted to extreme Islamophobia. I’m sure everyone who hangs out here is very, very well aware of that – SN has linked to countless unhinged anti-Muslim diatribes on right-wing sites.

…pretending…that there is no reason that they do…is dishonest and damaging.

Here you’ve lost me.

People don’t have a reason to be afraid of Islam. They have good reason to be concerned about violent Islamist extremist groups, but obviously bin Laden no more speaks for Islam as a whole than Fred Phelps speaks for Christianity. Islamophobia is flagrant bigotry. Treating it with contempt may not be the best way to reach out to those who are afflicted with it, but I’m not going to lose any sleep over that.

…laughing at the wingnuts doesn’t seem to be working.

I don’t laugh at wingnuts on the basis of whether or not it’s effective in making them change their minds. They’re going to have to do that on their own, if they do it at all. I laugh at wingnuts because they’re funny.

but perhaps you can let me know where you are getting tripped up.

Nobody’s getting tripped up. They’re just conscious of your first comment even if you’ve forgotten and actually repudiated parts of it yourself since. Before questioning the literacy and honesty of others you should go back and read it. It’s filled with presumptions about what motivates beth and her ilk and what motivates our reaction to her that few here would accept. By slightly modifying your first comment I hope I can clear up your confusion with a shorter version of how I think many here assess beth and her motivations:

I think the comparison of Islam to Nazi Germany is because of the undercurrent of violent, expansionist supremacy that powers boeth. It is disingenuous in the extreme to pretend otherwise.

Your comment doesn’t qualify Islam with “right wing”, “fundamentalist”, “militant” or anything else so you sounded like you could be beth too. She’s arguing that there’s no possible accommodation with the Islamic world because of the inherently violent nature of their religious texts. Convert or die seems to be her advice to them because she is sure it’s their religion that motivates some of them to attack us. Your first sentence suggests you feel the same way. Well, beth may have been too busy poring through those ancient texts these past 6 years to have pondered the connections between military campaigns more recent than the Ridda Wars and changes in attitudes in the Islamic world towards the US. When critics of the US in the Islamic world use terms like “violent, expansionist supremacy” they’re not quoting the Koran, are they?

Just Asking wrote:
People have a genuine fear of Islam…

You bet. Plenty of goofballs have become addicted to extreme Islamophobia. I’m sure everyone who hangs out here is very, very well aware of that – SN has linked to countless anti-Muslim diatribes on right-wing sites.

…pretending…that there is no reason that they do…is dishonest and damaging.

Uh… no.

People don’t have a reason to be afraid of Islam. They have good reason to be concerned about violent Islamist extremist groups, but obviously bin Laden no more speaks for Islam as a whole than Fred Phelps speaks for Christianity. Islamophobia is flagrant bigotry. Treating it with contempt may not be the best way to reach out to those who are afflicted with it, but I’m not going to lose any sleep over that.

…laughing at the wingnuts doesn’t seem to be working.

I don’t laugh at wingnuts on the basis of whether or not it’s effective in making them change their minds. They’re going to have to do that on their own, if they do it at all. I laugh at wingnuts because they’re funny.

“Oh let the circle, be unbroken,by and by,Lord by and bye.”Tune in next week for another episode of centrist concern trolling and the incredible logic of not saying anything too offensive about bigots and or racists cause ya might not win them over to your point of view.My head hurts…..

Just Asking, now you seem to be mischaracterizing us.

We are not saying there’s nothing to fear from radical Islamists. We have never said that. What we have been doing is to try to get some realism into the discussion about US military policy in the Middle East– realism that has been almost completely lacking in the pathetic US media and online.

If you think that we are being too hard on the proto-fascist hard right that people like Beth, “Cyber Pastor”, and their compatriots are a part of, then I have to ask you, why don’t you understand that they are far more of a danger the US than Al Queda?

If you listen to the statements that Beth and people like her make, for any extended period of time, you start to get a sense of their roiling, feverish hatred and fear toward anyone that they percieve as different. When you see them change their statements, repudiate things they have just said and then begin to defend them again, and hold completely contradictory beliefs in their minds at the same time, you will understand that they don’t care about the truth. And when you begin to hear the eliminationist speech that they constantly use when they feel that they can, you will understand that they would like to use violence if they could.

So, if you wonder why we aren’t more afraid of radical Islamists, I assure you we are. But then I would have to ask you, why don’t you have even more fear toward eliminationist folk like Beth? To me, you are the one who sounds naive, unaware of a very real danger to the people of this country.

Finally, even if Germany’s armed forces were weak at the beginning of WWII, that’s less important than the fact that the Nazis had 95% control of a very modern, organized, wealthy industrial base and almost total control in the population. The Radical Islamists don’t have anything like that. That is why equivalences between the Nazis and the Radical Islamists are false equivalences, and point to a hidden agenda on the part of the speaker.

Atheist,

I do fear Beth and her kind, much more than I do a shadowy Islamic terrorist organization that appears to have done exactly zero damage in the United States in the last six years.

One of the things that I like to point out to conservatives is the vanishingly small number of terrorist acts actually carried out against Americans. You have the 1988 Lockerbie bombing, which appears to have been an officially approved act of the Libyan government, the 1993 WTC bombing, and of course 9/11. That’s it. Just about every other act was executed against the American government, and more specifically the military, which in my mind is a huge distinction. This paucity of actual, real terrorism against Americans is why conservatives talk about footbaths and Koran flushing; it’s total nonsense.

But please, please, don’t pretend that there aren’t ideological similarities between the Nazis and radical Muslims. Both are violent, supremacist, expansionist, and have a particular hard on for Jewish people. If you ignore or obfuscate this, people will question your motives and agenda. And yes, I said initially that this supremacy is found in Islam proper; it is. Most Muslims don’t take it literally, just as most Jews don’t take Leviticus and Numbers literally, but it’s there all the same.

My point is about being honest on the origins of “Islamophobia”, not that we need to avoid offending wingnuts (come on DEMIZE!) Beth et al may be too far gone, but there are a heck of lot of people wondering just what the hell is wrong with “the Muslims”; telling them things they know aren’t true is not going to help.

OK, Just asking, now I have a better idea of what you are saying.

So, you are saying that there are ideological similarities between radical Islam and the Nazis, which we should not ignore. Further, you are saying that the religion Islam, itself, is inherently expansionist and supremicist.

First, while I am sure that there probably are ideological similarities between the radical Islamists and the Nazis, for instance hatred of Jews, there also seems to me to be a lot of important differences, not just in their worldly position, as I talked about above, but in their actual ideology. From what I know about Mein Kampf, Hitler was talking about how to create an extremely powerful authoritarian modern state, which would co-opt religion, for the purposes of this state. The radical Islamists really seem to me to be more a reactive kind of group, that wants to eradicate modernism in their part of the world, and replace it with an authoritarian religious state, thus creating a kind of utopian, ideal religious society. Hitler applied his ideology, with great success. Hitler had nothing but success until his empire got too big and he created too many enemies. The radical islamists, on the other hand, had nothing but pathetic, blood-soaked failures in their attempts to roll back modernism in their own countries. Prior to 9/11/2007, their only success in applying their ideology was in war-weary Afghanistan, and that was due to US help.

As far as essential expansionism and supremicism in Islam, I’m sure there are things in Islam. But, as you yourself have pointed out, there are things like that in Judaism too. If you had read the rest of this little mini-series “Fun with Other People’s Religions”, you would see that Christianity also has supremicist, warlike statements in its holy book. I’m sure that if you read Hinduism, you would find passages that are supremicist and warlike as well. Actually, if you read the atheist philosophy of Mao Zedong, I’m positive that you will find exhortations somewhere to crush religion and take over their power, along with exhortations to serve the people. And if you read the atheist philosophy of Machiavelli, you’ll find nothing but supremicist, expansionist statements in the service of a state. So, if the Muslims have expansionist, supremicist statements in their books, but so do the Christians, the Jews, the Maoists, the Hindus, and pretty much everyone and their kid sister, then there is no particular reason to worry about “Islam” itself, is there?

Finally, the reason that we think the idea of “Islamo-fascism” is one that should be fought, is, as I mentioned earlier, nobody uses that word without a hidden agenda. When you say, “Islamo-fascism”, you are not just saying that radical Islam is a threat to the western world, which, in fact, it is. You are specifically stating that radical Islam is the same kind of threat that the Nazis were, and that is just a lie. If radical Islam is the same kind of threat that the Nazis were, then obviously it follows that radical Islam needs to be attacked with armies, air forces, bombs, tanks, and missiles. And in reality, that is exactly the wrong way to attack the terrorist organizations of the Radical Islamists- it is exactly like trying to eradicate a cockroach problem in an apartment building by bombing the building with all the tenants still in it. What you get is a huge pile of debris, a lot of murdered civilians, and a lot of people who hate you. In reality, the only effective way to fight a terror network is by boring, un-glamorous, plodding, continual detective work. Ending our own country’s use of terrorism, ending our own country’s military occupation of other states, and finally helping to ameliorate bad conditions in the states which are breeding terrorists, would help a lot too.

So, that is why we will continue to mock and fight against the use of the word, “Islamo-fascism”. Because of the lies, and, in fact the ideology embedded in that word. We have always said that the radical Islamists were a threat, and that will not change. But, frankly, the Radical Christianists and the proto-fascists are more of a threat, because they are a lot more powerful. If people are offended when we mock the idea of “Islamo-fascism”, then I’m sorry, we’ll just have to offend some people.

9/11/2001, that is

The Luke quote is from a parable of Jesus, and express the words of a character in that parable (which are, by definition, dramatized and exaggerated for effect). While its meaning is still a little opaque in the context of the parable, it’s certainly not the same thing as Jesus actually saying, “Kill all my enemies in my presence.”

Lesley said,

November 4, 2007 at 1:04

Cyber Pastor originally said, “I am no Bill Clinton fan, but if he turned up with AIDS you wouldn’t here me cheering or making fun.”

Why’d ya pick AIDS, eh compassionate conservative pastor man?

Alas, poor you. If only Bill Clinton would get AIDS, it would confirm your Fred Phelps view of sexuality.

Cyber Pastor now comments, “Well, Leslie – I wouldn’t wish AIDS on anyone. So if that was offensive to you, insert the word cancer if it will make you feel better (and I wouldn’t wish cancer on anyone either).

And as for your uninformed mention of fred phelps, if you would have bothered to check my blog, you would find at least 3 major posts condemning he and his followers, and my suggestion that all should pray for his soul, because the sins he and his followers are committing will surely keep them from heaven unless they repent.”

That would be coloring books, for all the ones who have NO idea what they are.
Oh Mikey, I’m not what ya’ll think. Now I know I’m asking a lot here
but you guys are beating up on a friend of mine and frankly I don’t like that too good. So how about showing some kind of decorum.
Funny how ya’ll can sound like a bunch of pack rats at the funny farm just because I mis spelled coloring.
I could stay and blast ya’ll out of this world but I have better things to do
like watching paint dry. LOL
Look who’s calling me names!!!!!!!!!!!! hahahaha
Maybe when hell freezes over you wimpy little guys will become Gentlemen. But then again soros is so pathetic even hell has a hard time catching up with the SOB.

just because I mis spelled coloring.

You also misspelled “misspelled”.

I know this is cliche,but,more cowbell!

Now I know I’m asking a lot here but you guys are beating up on a friend of mine and frankly I don’t like that too good. So how about showing some kind of decorum.

You want decorum? Oh, that’s over at your friend beth’s place. Here’s a sample in case you missed it:

I told you you had one chance left to even prove you were part of the human race. The site does open, it’s not my fault you’re totally incompetent. Click on it again, you lying sack of pork infested, goat fucking, woman hating piece of shit.

You are useless just like tits on a boar.
The libs have no Gentlemen, it’s NO wonder you idiots think that bill clinton walks on water.
Oh Lawn I don’t take orders from anyone let alone a boar.

Careful Cassie
Boars are a few Notches above Snakes and might resent being compared with them… the smelly gas bunch keeps passing on from blog to blog and, as usual, they only can smell up the air.. that is their one and ONLY contribution.. so stay upwind at all times.. CRETINS are just that.. and all we can do is Hammer and Ingnore.. and that “gets them”