Our Nefarious Fascist Plot To Silence “Amy” Alkon Revealed!
“Amy” Alkon has been doing a great imitation of an Italian soccer player lately. Every time we come anywhere near her, she falls down, starts screaming in pain, contorts her face wildly and gestures for a referee, hoping that we’ll get a yellow (or better yet, a red) card. You know, like this:
Her schtick has been that since Gavin, D. Aristophanes, and I have posted silly photoshops and ridiculed her for thinking that it’s not racist to talk about groups of black siblings as “litters” we are trying to “silence” her. Silly blogger. The last thing we want to do is silence her — she’s unalloyed comedy gold and we’ve had more fun documenting her meltdown than when we blogged on Bob Owens’s chah-cole greeyuhl fundraiser.
And since our posts brought her more traffic over the weekend than she’s probably had in the past two years, we are, she claims, trying to “ruin” her comments section and unfairly run up her payments from advertisers. Oh dear, she’s fallen on the couch again and is clasping her head in pain as if she were auditioning for another “Head On” commercial.
Now, of course, her writhing screams of agony have found two new marks in the ever-gullible InstaHick and the Missus, “Dr.” Helen, both of whom are now wagging their vile crusty fingers in our direction. Perfesser Reynolds, the InstaHick himself, repeats the charge that we’re trying to silence Amy. And “Dr.” Helen kicks it up a notch by repeating Amy’s claim that we’re “tiny little thugs” that are trying to foil her free speech rights.
Okay, Amy, we’re going to say it once more. The last thing we want to do is to silence you. We want you to post more, to post often — the more posts per day the better. We particularly want more pictures! We could probably take up a collection here to send you an incentive fee and a year’s supply of Red Bull just to keep you blogging away at your typical breakneck pace. Judging from this weekend’s torrent of words flying out of your laptop, I don’t think anybody’s written more in a weekend since Barbara Cartland wrote Drena and the Duke.
And here’s just another reason we want to hear more from you:
“You can’t dehumanize a dead woman.” Bravissima, Amy. Encore! Encore!! No really, take the bouquet of roses and another bow. We insist.
D. Aristophanes adds, plaintively imploring Amy:
And why beholdest thou the mote of shit that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the awful log that is in thine own?
– Matthew 7:3
Tintin adds:
The Ole Perfesser’s Missus, “Dr.” Helen Reynolds, stepped away from her computer last evening — probably to go play doctor off-line — and when she comes back, there’s an actual debate going on in her comments. Horrified, she pulls out her Toys-R-Us stethoscope and promises to do naughty things to people with it if they don’t settle down:
Every time “Sadly No” types come here, the discourse disintegrates. Please refrain from responding to these pests so that I do not have to moderate comments.
Now it becomes apparent why the Ole Perfesser fantasizes about sex with robots, doesn’t it?
Update: Oops. Too late. The “Doctor” is in and moderating comments.
Amy kinda looks like Cate Blanchett playing Carrot Top.
Or maybe that’s Carrot Top playing Cate Blanchett?
I got a ban today after I wrote a short post saying, basically, “Hackers don’t care about ideology, and trolls only care in as much as it’s necessary to get a rise out of you.”
It’s like Amy Alkon discovered the internet this weekend and said, “My god! FASCISTS!”
Perfect choice of video, by the way.
Amy Alkon walks into a bar. The bartender says “Why the long face”?
So what’s the crime in killing people anyway?
They’re dead for fucksake.
Seriously.
Are you *sure* she isn’t parody troll extraordinaire? Cause I’m about to feed her tip jar…
We know drug dealers, and even hang out with some of them.
PLEASE don’t kill us for that!
It’s like Amy Alkon discovered the internet this weekend and said, “My god! FASCISTS!”
She’s a little late to the game on this. She should have read Lee Siegel’s book.
over at Dr. Helen’s site, David (in comments) is on to us:
“Whenever “progressives” gain control of an institution or a subculture, they attempt to shut down dissenting speech. We have plenty of evidence, at universities and in Hollywood.
If the “progressive”-dominated Democrats win the Presidency, in addition to both houses of Congress, what are the chances that we will escape without a major crippling of free speech?
I don’t think they are very high.”
OHAI! Remember me? I’m married now but I still have time to chat with those who meet my exacting standards, and who are libertarian objectivists.
What’s up with “don’t tug on Superman’s cape” anyway? I mean, couldn’t Instapundit have taken thirty seconds to think of a song lyric or metaphor that involves a woman, or is he snickering behind his hand with the transvestite angle?
What am I saying? He’s Instapundit, not ConsideredOpinionPundit.
What’s up with “don’t tug on Superman’s cape” anyway?
InstaPudding is lame beyond words?
I was thinking the same thing the last time I saw our Dear President. On the way to the political screening for the Town Hall meeting we passed some some awful-looking “progressives” (or as I like to call them, dirty “filthy” hippies) in the Free Speech Zone, no doubt there to shout down the President. Fortunately the Free Speech Zone was a mile and a half away from the auditorium, so we were lucky this time.
THIS TIME.
By the way, that duck outfit suits the Divine Ms. A. Not sure why. I guess it’s her color.
It’s interesting how Ms. Alkon now appears to be sucking up to the right-wing neo-con crowd that she, to be fair, often disagreed with. (She’s an avowed atheist, so there ya go…)
But she’ll fit right in with the Party of Personal Responsibility ™ and their doctrine of no personal responsibilty, aka IOKIYAR.
If she was honorable and competent she would have issued a proper non-apology apology for a “poor choice of words” and “being misunderstood”, as well as for erroneously accusing S,N! commentors of vandalizing her Wiki page, thrown a little liberal-libertarian red meat around about SWAT teams, drug laws and evil police states, declared that however her original point still stands, restated it in less inflammatory terms, and called it a day.
(I even recommended this course of action to her in her comment section, right before she banned me.)
There’s very little comedy gold to be found in behaving like a rational human being. Nothing to see here, Sadly-noers, move along…
But noooooooooooooo……!
I wonder why she finds it necessary to insult this dead woman in such a vulgar way. I shouldn’t be surprised but sometimes it is hard not to be. What do the sexual habits of the dead woman have to do with anything? And how would Ms. Alkon know about them anyway? Seriously despicable.
And what is up with saying that all of the children’s fathers are drug dealers? How could she possible know a thing like that? Oh yeah, RACISM. Because dealing is apparently the only profession of all black men in the minds of human excrement like this asshole.
I suppose InstaPutz and weak, watered-down blues go together like fake cowboys and New Country.
You’re laughing now, I see. But Hitler laughed his way into the Sudetenland, he laughed his way into Paris, he almost laughed his way into Moscow but for the lend-lease of Mickey Rooney.
GumbyAnne, the other children’s fathers all dealt drugs, according to Tarika Wilson’s mother in the New York Times.
Of course that article also cites black people in Lima as saying that police officers regularly stop them without cause, point guns in their faces, curse them and physically abuse them.
It’s not especially odd that someone would be automatically on the “side” of the police in a case like this, but it is odd that a soi-disant libertarian is.
So by Amy’s logic, it’s perfectly okay if I went to her mother/grandmother’s funeral and say that she was a “goat fucking bitch cow”. What’s the problem? After all, she’s dead.
“The presidential candidate didn’t have a mother who rode a lot of uncondomed drug-dealer dick”?
I don’t know what preceded this, and I’m pretty darn far from being a prude, but holy fucking mackerel, what a filthy mind that tranny’s got.
Short Amy Alkon:
When you fail… fail, fail, fail again.
She’s back! Nooooooooooooooooo…….
Dear Lord will it ever end?
Every time we come anywhere near her, she falls down, starts screaming in pain, contorts her face wildly and gestures for a referee
You ought to be ashamed of yourselves. You are making a political football out of football politics.
what are the chances that we will escape without a major crippling of free speech?
yeah boy howdy, there’s a fellow who’s up on current events.
“The presidential candidate didn’t have a mother who rode a lot of uncondomed drug-dealer dick”?
Oh, I don’t know. Ol’ Babs rode a lot of bootlegger dick before Poppy came along.
“Bruce”, I had just popped a cracker in my mouth when I read your comment so I just want you to know that I had to tip the keyboard and give it a good shake. Why do I bring beverages and food to the computer knowing I’m going to read SadlyNo!?
The fun part of mentioning “dehumanizing and racist” is that Radley Balko said it regarding the initial “litter” post. Pushing that one seems to make her head spin around.
Do you think those children got to go to the dentist?
I must admit I’m unfamiliar with the American Dental Association’s new “get a checkup every six months or it’s two in the noggin’ for you, McCavity” policy.
“uncondomed drug-dealer dick ”
does she kiss her mother with that mouth ?
my ears are NOT garbage cans motherfucker !
Oh hope this continues for a good while. This is an even better run than Jonah whatshisface.
Ol’ Babs rode a lot of bootlegger dick before Poppy came along.
Magickal conspiracy time!
Also I am wholly uninterested in finding out which presidential candidate Amy’s on about.
Her obsessive concern over the dental hygiene of litters of Negro children is touching, one must admit.
Her obsessive concern over the dental hygiene of litters of Negro children is touching, one must admit.
Damn straight. Get that checkup or…..Death By Ginger-vitis.
I spent the last half reading downstairs, and here you are, all having fun!
*sniff*
P.S. I recommend the Malfunctioning Robot for a medal of freedom. As long as he doesn’t come back.
For example, my veterinarian once recommended orthodontia for my boxer/pit-bull mix. I said “Hey! If it’s not good enough for my litter of children, you think it’s gonna happen with my dog? Well, you can just think again, Mister!”
You cannot dehumanize a corpse, people!
Support Amy Alkon! And necrophilia!
I spent the last half reading downstairs, and here you are, all having fun!
Well, that’s what you get for doing something worthwhile with your time.
For all of Amy’s purported 1337 een-tell ectual skills this is rather poorly formed:
“you don’t “dehumanize” a dead woman.”
Which I read as a declaration that one ought not to dehumanize dead women. In essence agreeing with Sarah. What she really meant I suppose is more like:
“you can’t “dehumanize” a dead woman.”
But there is no accounting for objectivist libertarian notions “rationality”. Pendantry is our forte here at SN!
I am wholly uninterested in finding out which presidential candidate Amy’s on about.
Somehow I don’t think she’s referring to John McInsane’s mother.
What’s bizarre is that Ms. Alkon’s underlying point is not really unheard of among liberals or even among Black liberals. Controversial, heh indeed. But the point can be made with sensitivity to blowing dog-whistles.
(But blowing dogs, now that’s another… sorry I couldn’t stop myself…)
For example:
Who was that? Oh, it was that Bar-ack HUSSIEN Obamessiah guy. Talking to BLACK PEOPLE.
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/stateupdates/gG5nFK
But Amy had to try to come off as a libertarian badass fingerwag and once she dived in it, she couldn’t climb back out.
And now she shits comedy gold into trenches dug around George Bush lawn signs. Nicely played, Amy.
I don’t know, Amy, how do those ‘good christian white folks’ care for their dozens, either?
Personally, I’m a bit socialist, because I think the community/government should help so they aren’t an undue burden upon their neighbors.
au contraire…
I notice that Radley Balko’s post in which he calls Alkon’s premise “dehumanizing and racist” is titled … “Um, No”.
And “Radley, Balko!” sounds an awful lot like “Sadly, (beat) No!”.
I think it’s clear: “Radley Balko” posted this to undermine Amy Alkon in preparation for the Sadly, No! fascist offensive. He (really, Gary Ruppert under the assumed name “Radley Balko”) first became a senior editor at Reason Magazine to establish his small-l libertarian bona fides, then started the mockery of this brave person Amy Alkon. This sort of innovative strategy is analogous to what Hitler did by traveling between campaign stops by airplane, something which modern Democrat politicians do as well (coincidentally, I’m sure).
Watch out, though, because the jig is up! Using proprietary technology I have found that Gary “Radley Balko” Ruppert’s IP address is 127.0.0.1 and will shortly have more information using http://www.license.shorturl.com
Did Mr. and Mrs. Instapundit really say that they are opposed to free speech because it might hurt somebody’s feelings and therefore silence them? I thought that was the sort of nanny-state, PC liberal claptrap that…uh…makes Amy Alkon fall down clutching her head.
Amy writes:
“Clearly, my problem is with people who put out, well, litters of children,”
Now I understand! This black woman apparently had all six of her kids at once!
Joe Max: The difference is that the quoted excerpt doesn’t place the full blame on the sexuality of black women, and that’s just not Personal Responsibility (TM).
Hey, that’s what the dogshit moat is a perfect metaphor for — ruining your own place to kind of stick it, a little bit, to someone you hate.
i’m building a shit moat myself, but i’m doing it “green”. first of all, all the dogs that shit there will be fed only organic grasses and beans. second, the moat will be lit by a solar powered LED bulb. third, when the shit dries up i will use it to fertilize the very grass that the dogs eat, completing the virtuous cycle.
sorry, i thought this was a discussion board for green shit moat building on yahoo.
no?
“Clutchpearl McFaintingcouch”
This user name has made me laugh harder than anything else I’ve read all day.
Brav(o)(a), Lord and/or Lady McFainting.
One Helen’s bright stars:
Francis said, Uh, no. But fascists have always done their best to shout down the opposition at the very least (“The Fascists cannot argue, so they kill.” — Victor Marguerite), and “progressive” fascists are no different in this regard. The rest of us simply have to cope.
Holy fuck these people don’t actually read what they write do they?
I TOLD you tiny turds not to mess with me !! Now you shall deal with the wrath of the mighty Instapantload and his various minions. As I’m sure you mortals are aware , he’s an INTELLECTUAL GIANT , just like me. You will rue the day!!
What is with this “You are trying to silence me” shtick that wingers always seem to get on about, just because they were quoted correctly? Bill O’Reilly does the same thing every time Media Matters quotes something he said verbatim.
Look, dumbasses, we’ll keep it simple–if you have an objection to being directly quoted, just fucking say so. Otherwise, deal with the consequences of your own words. You know, kinda like personal responsibility.
By the way, what the fuck is wrong with silencing racists? As certain law professors should know, ‘free speech’ applies to state interference, and possibly in addition to cartel-like behavior by speech outlets (like the media never presenting certain viewpoints on, say, Palestine, or imperialism, or trade). Certainly not to an unruly crowd of jeering Sadly,No-sians.
Joe Max: that’s precisely the reason Obama is enabling racists with this kind of talk. He knows very well it’s public, so one has to assume it isn’t aimed at black people at all, but at people like the instahick who won’t vote for somebody who doesn’t parrot their totally non-racist racism.
I tried to click on the PJ media link and it crashed my IE. Was I surprised? Sadly, No!
I am sure that this has been all one big ego rush for Amy. It won’t last, then what will she do? How will she replace that empty feeling of no longer being at the center of attention of three or four blogs? She needs a brainstorming session to come up with something new to keep those endorphins pumping!
But Amy had to try to come off as a libertarian badass fingerwag and once she dived in it, she couldn’t climb back out.
She dug her shit moat just a little too deep.
For all of youse here, there’s an Alkon-anon meeting starting in 30 minutes at Our Lady of the Uniroyal. Be there.
Me said,
August 19, 2008 at 1:59
What is with this “You are trying to silence me” shtick that wingers always seem to get on about, just because they were quoted correctly?
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We are the Victims
We are the Victims
No time for loosers™
We are the Victims – Of the World!
We
Oh, right! Not enough dirty little slut bashing! I guess I just don’t think enough like Amy, to whom I am, of course, inferior.
How the in the fuck’s name is quoting someone directly “silencing” them? You’re telling others the same exact message, so isn’t that propagating it? Isn’t “spreading” or “quoting” the message the complete 80 fucking degree opposite of “silencing” or “repressing”? Wow, these people are on a completely different fucking planet.
I tried commenting here and accidentally put two “<” in a row and it crashed Firefox… There’s only one logical explanation: Fascism.
Enabling them to do what, exactly? Be bigger racists?
I think it helped disable one of the racist’s best talking point weapons, especially when the opponent is a former community organizer from the South Side. It was sharp politics. If all it means is that racists get enabled to chortle a little, big deal.
Some other litters that seem to escape Amy’s poutrage.
Odd, that.
What is with this “You are trying to silence me” shtick that wingers always seem to get on about, just because they were quoted correctly?
That’s what’s so hysterical about this whole episode. She claims that spamming comments is an attempt to shut her up.
Exactly how does that work? Do lots of comments prevent her from making posts? Do they shut down comment threads? In what way does posting a reasonable, dismissive, or even downright juvenile comment keep her from continuing to underline her own lack of intellect by putting up more posts?
The crux of it is, if you disagree with her, that constitutes a violation of her right to say stupid shit and have it go undisputed. Which in her mind, equals an abrogation of her “right to free speech”. Apparently, she can only have free speech if no one else does. And since it’s her right, it’s incumbent upon the rest of us to STFU and just passively take it in while stewing in the overflowing shit moat of her ignorance. Otherwise, she’s bein’ oppressed.
BTW, the rest of your post was excellent as well.
Welp, lookin’ like Sadlys won’t be welcome commentin’ anywhere in the Heartland, on account of it oppressing ’em an’ all.
Shore wouldn’t wanna o-ffend any none of the salt of the earth out here on the dusty plains of the intertubes.
Huh?
The LePetomaine THROUGHWAY?
Awww… that… son of a BITCH!
Now somebody’s gonna have to go back and get a SHITload of DIMES!!
My Personal Army will soon be called upon to charge their respective lasers.
You don’t dehumanize the dead? Hmmm.
Well, then this might be a good time to reflect on Ronald Reagan and his secret, illegal sales of advanced weaponry to both the Iranians and Osama Bin Laden.
That fucking traitor’s body should be dug and hung from the nearest tree.
Just sayin’.
Dear Amy, Shorter Sadly, No!
P.S. Keep diving.
Aren’t those the Flying Monkeys?
MzNicky,
I suppose I should have taken your question as rhetorical – I look much better that way. The line “The presidential candidate didn’t have a mother who rode a lot of uncondomed drug-dealer dick” was the last in a series that went like this:
Alkon-worshipping turd-bag: Oh those poor kids. Their futures are ruined, but at least with their crack whore momma dead they might grow up to be guests of the state as opposed to shot to death (like their mom). It’s not like anyone of them will ever grow up to preznit – it is to larf.
me, total sucker for a trolling line (ask Truthy): Umm, one of the current preznitial candidates is mixed race, just like Tarika Wilson (and presumably her children) and was essentially raised by a single mom.
And then the winning line that caught your attention.
Dehumanizing dead women: not really the point as the advice – straight from the goddess – is to dehumanize lots of live black women.
Seriously, after seeing Tarika’s picture I think part of Amy’s problem is simple jealousy. Look at La Alkon and then look and this pretty, sweet-faced person:
Tarika and child
graduation
“a mother who rode a lot of uncondomed drug-dealer dick”
Geez, she’s starting to make Stalkin’ Malkin look like a great humanitarian.
Alkon, Althouse, whatthefuckeverwhogivesashit. All I want to know is, did she borrow them teeth from Bill Kristol or just steal them?
http://www.thepaincomics.com/weekly040609.htm
http://www.thepaincomics.com/weekly020417.htm
Let him rot, let his name never be spoken again, and let the earth where he is buried be seeded with salt.
For all of youse here, there’s an Alkon-anon meeting starting in 30 minutes at Our Lady of the Uniroyal. Be there.
Hanx for the heads up Jennifer, I already gots me my Woodford Reserve, untangling the remaining portage knots, but I’m unfamiliar with this Uniroyal reference.
Cold chillin’ like a fiend.
Phase one of my Master Plan is complete – we have seized control of Amy’s underpants, getting her knickers all in a twist. As soon as we come up with Phase two, we will be able to proceed directly to Phase three: World Domination.
I haven’t said this before, and I suspect that she and I would disagree on a large number of issues, but
May the Deity of her Choice bless Jody Tresidder
I’ll be at the Alkon-anon meeting.
Gots my potables to go.
I’m pretty sure the killing takes care of the dehumanization all by itself.
Her point, I guess, is you’re not a human if you’re dead. That’s pretty much true, I suppose, but that’s kind of the point of the whole goddam dustup. When that cop saw fit to take that woman under fire, he took away her life, her future, her value, her potential, her human-ness. He took away her life, and everything she might ever have done with it. It’s Tookie Williams writ small. Every day. Somebody has some white powder, and somebody dies because of it. For having some white powder.
And nobody says there’s anything wrong with that. But this bimbo says that killing was right, and good, and justified, because she had sex with men who had some of this magic white powder that invalidates their right to live, said invalidation at the whim of angry, adrenaline – fueled racist men in body armor with military – style weapons.
This is what we’ve brought into being. This is the America that the people have chosen. And Amy is delighted to lead the charge into this place where people should die because the people they love possess a certain substance, sleep with a certain kind of guy, have too many babies without the approved structure.
Again, this is not a world I’d go into the future feeling particularly good about…
mikey
over ta Amy’s place, they’re experimenting with humor, viz:
…isn’t that cute?
Fake Gary, phase two has to do with extracting the stupid, alconizing it in the malkin particle coulterizer, followed by a lengthy shit moat fermenting process.
Sadly, we may all be doomed before then. Unfortunately, the Chinese are way ahead of us in this technology. Shit Moat gap and all that.
I thought Shit Moat was a legendary kung fu master.
Y’know, with 1.5 liters going for $9 here in good ol’ Pennsylvania, there is much to be said for Argentinian Merlot.
second, the moat will be lit by a solar powered LED bulb.
Robert, I have a suggestion for this that may obviate your need for an LED. When I was a little kid, we had some glow-in-the-dark crayons that were our prized possession until our cocker spaniel ate them. We were devastated, temporarily, until the night we discovered that all of the dog shit piles in the back yard were glowing in the dark.
I think I need say no more.
And here we come to the crux of the nub of the gist of the point; this negative attention is costing Amy money. This is how we’re trying to silence her, we’re stealing her money and time in a well coordinated international assault on her entire existence.
And I thought I was spoiled as a child.
Why did wordpress decide to hate me yesterday?
We were doing so well.
This is unfun.
(Psst. Noen–
“Pendantry is our forte here at SN!”
I think you mean “pedantry.” Unless you mean, like, the manufacture
and selling of big honking necklaces and shit.
M.W.)
Doctor Missus Marita said,
August 19, 2008 at 3:13
second, the moat will be lit by a solar powered LED bulb.
Robert, I have a suggestion for this that may obviate your need for an LED. When I was a little kid, we had some glow-in-the-dark crayons that were our prized possession until our cocker spaniel ate them. We were devastated, temporarily, until the night we discovered that all of the dog shit piles in the back yard were glowing in the dark.
I think I need say no more.
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More stoareez. pleez!
Wouldn’t a shitmoat that was fermenting along at a good clip possibly produce a phosphorescent swamp gas? Now that would be a really green mode of lighting!
On the other hand, wouldn’t there be methane involved with a dogshit moat? That might make for a negative climate impact.
Scientists? Discuss.
Dammit, I guess I didn’t read all the comments. I hate when that happens.
Real Americans use gas powered LED bulbs. Don’t take my word for it, Doctor Missus, just ask J. Sidney, he was a P.O.W. and all though he doesn’t like to talk about that much I hear.
I go to youtube for all my sientifikating, Candy.
(And that’s why little-turd-press h8tz me!)
I got it!
(IMAGINE THE GIANT LIGHT BULB GLOWING ABOVE MY HEAD!1one!!!!)
Insult wordpress with in your comment, and it will be too ashamed to put you in the pammy filter.
Oh Gawd, what’s the Pammy filter?!? I don’t want to go in there! It sounds like it’s made of silicone and anger!
Dear SüperPatriotic fReichtards. Here is a brief tutorial on free speech:
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
You might not have seen this before since it isn’t in the Bible. However, it means that a private person can’t stifle another person’s free speech rights. Even if they’re really mean. Even if they post snarky little comments in that person’s blog. Even if they stick their fingers in their ears and chant “Nanny, nanny boo, boo, stick your head in the shit moat!” OK?
I know it’s really exciting to turn someone being rude into a federal case, but frankly it makes you look even more of a dumb shit than you are.
I am coming in late to the whole kerfuffle, so bear with me?
Is someone launching a denial of service attack on her, or sending her junk email, or what? Spam in the comments sections is normal, unless you use a filter. So how is she being silenced.
I will have to post that question to her. As a way of censoring her, I suppose.
Some other litters that seem to escape Amy’s poutrage.
Spirula: Unsurprisingly so! I mean, just look at the dental hygiene, especially amongst those Mormons!
Whoah – shit moat will-o-the-wisps. We’re through the looking glass now. Forget Earth Two, we should be keeping our peepers peeled for signs of the Wild Hunt or other aspects of the Unseelie Court – other than the shit moats of course.
Doctor Missus Marita said,
August 19, 2008 at 3:31
Oh Gawd, what’s the Pammy filter?!? I don’t want to go in there! It sounds like it’s made of silicone and anger!
The Pammy filter is made of moustache.
P.S. WordPress is a doody head.
Yay!
What’s up with “don’t tug on Superman’s cape” anyway?
Well, if Reynolds is comparing Alkon with Big Jim Walker, he may want to check the rest of the song.
if you disagree with her, that constitutes a violation of her right to say stupid shit and have it go undisputed. Which in her mind, equals an abrogation of her “right to free speech.”
I think you’ve got it. Disagreement = suppression. The love song of the neo-neocon.
OK, I’ve been banned from commenting on Ms. Alkon’s blog. And it didn’t take much.
Good call on the chicken suit, y’all.
Xenos – I did that yesterday. Asked in a polite way.
I was banned from commenting after that one post.
This will no doubt get me flamed to hell and back, but I agree with Alkon’s initial position: it’s hard to muster a lot of “wrong place, wrong time” sympathy for a woman who wallowed in a drug-saturated cesspool, and who willingly brought children into that instable and potentially violent environment.
There is absolutely no reason the victim should have had to fear the police. They are duty-bound to protect individuals without regard for lifestyle. She had excellent reason, however, to be concerned about her continued survival in that chaotic environment. It’s practically a given that this woman was the victim of domestic abuse at one time or another, and that her children bore witness to crimes against their mother.
She cared so little about her own life, and about the lives of her children, that she not only remained in a dangerous situation but also exacerbated the conditions that kept her there by having kids she knew wouldn’t be properly cared for.
The last time I saw mikey, he was sitting by the shit moat around the McCain sign in the front yard, flipping these great wooden matches into it and giggling maniacally.
Eventually, I had to just shake my head, rinse out my martini glass and go to bed. But sure enough, at some point in the early morning hours, there was a great big fireball in front of the house and the next thing mikey’s in my bathroom demanding ointment and scotch.
I gotta tellya, you let that wack job hang around and some kinda drama’s always gonna happen…
Instable = unstable.
They are duty-bound to protect individuals without regard for lifestyle.
How many moons on your planet, asshole?
What is with this “You are trying to silence me” shtick that wingers always seem to get on about, just because they were quoted correctly?
It’s classic wingnut appropriation. It’s the lifting of Bobby Seale’s actual gagging in the courtroom of the Chicago Seven trial, and the arrests and force-feedings of suffragists in 1918-19, and other ACTUAL examples of ACTUAL silencings, that wingnuts, having more often than not been in control, nevertheless feel they must be entitled to claim somehow, if only because someone else rightfully has had it bestowed upon them, and they haven’t. Nevermind they have as usual no FUCKING CLUE what they’re on about.
Ok, that asshole who posted above the homeowner has never dealt with cops in the real world.
Never had his freedom arbitrarily taken, never been locked up, never been beaten by uniforms, never spreadeagled on the hot summer asphalt at gunpoint.
In short? Get a clue, moran. You don’t know anything about it…
mikey
I think that was central to his point, mikey, or what…ahem.
Well, you own me a beverage, anyways.
Now I find myself humming “Love is the Drug”.
Shit, moat, pedantry —
Robbing Amy’s right to speak free…
Thunder, it would be my most sincere pleasure.
This may not come a great surprise, but we’re having a wee bit of the Laphroaig around chez mikey tonight. You’d be welcome to the barrel.
It’s time to stop trying to get flash player to work on firefox on Xandros, ’cause I’m pretty much at wits end on that clusterfuck, and get on to a breaded boneless pork chop with a classic southern milk gravy over fettuccine noodles with sugar snap peas. ‘Cause that’s sounding pretty freakin good for forty minutes work…
mikey
“There is absolutely no reason the victim should have had to fear the police.”
Sadly, no. I think the mere fact that cops gunned her down in her own home while unarmed and holding her baby ipso facto proves that she had a hell of a lot to fear from the police. Care to respond asshole. Unlike Amy, this site is open to debating you.
This will no doubt get me flamed to hell and back, but I agree with Alkon’s initial position: it’s hard to muster a lot of “wrong place, wrong time” sympathy for a woman who wallowed in a drug-saturated cesspool, and who willingly brought children into that instable and potentially violent environment.
You are, if nothing else, aptly monikered.
asshole has probably never known any actual drug users or dealers either. I like the way people who’ve never been out of suburbia just assume that all drug users – and by all accounts Tarika wasn’t a user herself anyways – live in this constant sex and drugs environment. It’s just not true.
Some drug users and dealers live right there in white suburbia. I’ve known schoolteachers, lawyers, and a fuck of a lot of people in trades like plumbing who really liked their coke or meth. If straight people knew how many people they work with who at least smoke weed they’d clutch their chests and fall over in a dead faint.
Yes, I’ve seen some people who had kids and drug habits whose kids would have been better off in foster care or with responsible family members. I’ve also seen people with fairly constant drug usage whose kids were clean and fed and got to school on time, never missed a conference, and kept a nice clean home. And I’ve seen parents who didn’t do drugs whose kids would have been better off in foster care. Drugs don’t make people bad parents. You can never convince folks who’ve been brought up in the “Brain on Drugs” era of that, however, and I’ve mostly quit trying.
Umm, Asshole? Good handle.
Bear in mind that 1. drugs weren’t dealt from the house, 2. the pathology report said that Tarika Wilson was clean of drugs when she died. Moreover, she was also sober, which is more than can be said for me right now and 3. She was motherfucking shot holding her baby in her opwn motherfucking home. NOT A SUSPECT OF ANYTHING.
I guess this isn’t sinking in. What if someone you live with is doing something illegal? Is that a good enough reason that you, and not the law breaking criminal you live with, get motherfucking shot to death? What the holy fucking shit hell type of attitude is that? I certainly hope that you never live with anyone who ever does anything illegal, because apparently that’s a fucking deathwish.
And by the way, the charge they got to stick to Anthony Terry? Possession of ONE BAG OF CRACK BETWEEN 1 AND 5 GRAMS. Fucking less than a thousand dollars street value. Less than a thousand fucking dollars and they got a fucking SWAT Team to kill a woman and injure a baby. And guess what? No fucking review of procedures. Every fucking Lima PD SWAT guy they had on the stand said that if they were in the same position they’d do the exact same thing. And all of those guys are still doing weekly raids with their M-4’s. Lima has a population of around 40K. And they’re doing fucking weekly raids.
But yeah – the real issue is Tarika Wilson’s choice of fuck-buddies.
ITTDGY, in my next comment, I will test the limits of your WordPress mocking theory. Let’s see…
Fucking hell, I can’t belive I’m still this fucking mad about this. I didn’t know Tarika Wilson, I don’t know any of her kids, I’ve fucking never heard of Lima, Ohio before Amy-“think of the children”-Alkon came around. What I would give right now for a fucking super-deep shit moat and a chance to push Alkon and her smug sanctimonious defenders into.
PENIS.
plus the Jesus has laser beam vision.
Their futures are ruined, but at least with their crack whore momma dead they might grow up to be guests of the state as opposed to shot to death (like their mom). It’s not like anyone of them will ever grow up to preznit – it is to larf.
D-KW: I am without words. And that’s saying something.
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I’ve been through (not to) Lima, Ohio. For work.
If you made a triangle out of Columbus, Cincinnati, and Toledo, Lima is on the hypotenuse.
If you made a triangle out of Columbus, Cincinnati, and Toledo, Lima is on the hypotenuse.
I was told there would be no math.
Here’s the comment I left:
Now, I’m leaving to drink some rye. If I haven’t been banned by the time I return, I’ll drink some rye.
Clem
And another thing Asshole (love your name by the way) I will offer to turn the snark off and have a reasoned discussion about this poor dead woman and what her life may have been like, her kids and the choices she made. I don’t know her full (or even half) her story and neither do you. I have had many clients similar to her (except for the dead part) and I can talk for hours about this topic.
I was prepared to have a reasoned discussion with Amy on this point but as we all have learned, she is a sniveling coward.
JARVIS COCKER!
alconizing it in the malkin particle coulterizer
gocart mozart: Okay, now you’re scaring me.
““You can’t dehumanize a dead woman.” Bravissima, Amy. ”
Might I suggest something along the lines of, “You can’t be a ‘slave’ if you ‘ve been whipped to death”? It’s gold, Jerry! It’s gold!
JARVIS COCKER!
He’s that guy who tried to bum Michael Jackson at the Brit awards.
Insulting wordpress würks good, eh Doctor Missus?
Amy Alcon, shit moat, what’s up with that?
Alternatively, I have a knight in shining binary ready to rescue my comments in distress.
MzNicky, and everyone who might be wondering why this is getting to me so much – here’s the offending comment (from the if LaShawn ain’t racist neither am I)in its entirety:
I, just, umm, fucking beyond the big bag of dicks. Fucking into the 5
minuteday major penalty in the shit moat level here.I’ve found that threatening to throw my laptop off the balcony improves performance, so it stands to reason the same technique would work on WP.
I have only experienced one instance of WordPress repression. I must be holding my mouth right.
Clem, I think you were banned before the first drop of rye hit your lips.
Hehindeedyreaditall. She posted the entirety of an email I sent her, and her response, because I guess she wanted to get in the last word and do it in the comments section, where I’m banned from posting.
I’d be a little irritated at having my email address published, and the gall of it all, but I’m a fascist thug. I’ve got it coming, to be honest with myself.
Alkon One can relax knowing that if you violate a corpse, at most you can be charged with property damage or violation of access to private property (i.e., where the body is stored), but not with crimes against any person because the corpse is not defined as a person.
2006 Santa Christina Antinori Toscana Sangiovese, from Trader Joe’s. Seven of your Earth dollars and easily as good as a thirty-dollar bottle chosen at random.
Also, I’m going to go ahead and assume that Asshole is one of our regular commenters here, just as I was “DanPat” — sorry to upset tb, but the bubbles mean it’s working!
Actually, I just realized the guy who wrote “crack whore momma” did write Preznit, which is totally a lefty shibboleth. Was he trolling too? Jeez, I need a scorecard.
It just gets douchier and douchier. Now instaturd is rallying to her defence? I couldn’t write shit like this myself.
On November the elventh, me and a tall blonde woman from my past are going to celebrate the 20th anniversary of the bloodstained no-knock raid that the state task force brought down on our little apartment in Sacramento. Right there at elkhorn and 80, hard by the cemetery. You can see our apartment’s front door from the freeway, if you look fast.
What’s the point? Simple. If anybody thinks these are momentary events that form part of our history, you are wrong. When a bunch of large, angry, heavily armed men blow your door off the hinges without warning and charge into your space, driving everybody into the floor, inflicting as much pain, as much shock and awe as they can, tearing your drawers out, throwing all your possessions on the floor, screaming questions, forbidding you from talking, threatening the most dire (and illegal, extra constitutional consequences) it forms a memory that shapes every single part of you, down to the cellular level.
I HATE these fuckers, and would NEVER cooperate with them.
Just in case they think they accomplished something.
Sandra and I will NEVER forget that date. And we’ll never forget what happened.
Fast forward without details? We won the lawsuit…
mikey
Hey, I’ve got her convoluted “reasoning” figured out.
But ridiculing her, we are exposing her to… um… ridicule. People who are ridiculed are not respectable. People tend not to listen to unrespectable, ridiculous people. So If people won’t listen to her, it is the same as if she wasn’t speaking. Therefore… [pant] … what we are doing is enabling people to not listen to her, which is functionally the same as suppressing her right to speak!
Congratulations, Ms. Alkon, you have earned your Masters Degree in Wingnut Logic. Which is central to your point.
Shorter the trooth: More lies.
it’s hard to muster a lot of “wrong place, wrong time” sympathy for a woman who wallowed in a drug-saturated cesspool
Because, of all the infinite options that were no doubt available to her, that was the most attractive one and so naturally she chose it, is that it? I mean, who wouldn’t!
and who willingly brought children into that instable and potentially violent environment.
“Asshole” (yer nym, not mine): You know her personal history that intimately, do you? She purposely had sex with men when she knew she was fertile in order to become pregnant six times, and then willfully refused, perhaps through cultural prohibition or lack of access or lack of resources, to terminate each and every one of those miracles of “God”? Is that it? And she made these individual decisions, each of them, each and every time, as a conscious decision that would somehow accrue to her benefit, or so she thought?
There is absolutely no reason the victim should have had to fear the police.
Of course! What’s a young black single mother of 6 kids with known association with drug dealers to fear from the police? As she obviously found out.
She cared so little about her own life, and about the lives of her children, that she not only remained in a dangerous situation but also exacerbated the conditions that kept her there by having kids she knew wouldn’t be properly cared for.
That BITCH!! Selfishly living in dangerous circumstances and selfishly having kids she couldn’t care for! Thinking of NO ONE BUT HERSELF and her lavish easy life as a welfare queen with six kids and drug dealers hanging around! How long, and with how much, must the American taxpayer suffer at the hands of these people!
Assuming you’re not pulling a way-snarky put-on: Way to fucking BLAME THE VICTIM and uncoincidentally look like a total tool of everything that’s wrong with our fucked-up culture. You fucking shithead.
“snark off”
Dragon-King, my informed guess . . .
never mind, I was going to guess her mind and motives and now it just feels wrong. I guess I’m funny that way.
In my opinion, many girls in her situation have babies because babies will love them. Nobody else has. I wouldn’t presume that this was the case for the poor woman in question.
[my thought process, yes, no, maybe so, for what its worth]
Liberals, I thought a head to head debate against McCain was supposed to be a strength for your Dear Leader. Ay carumba!
I must have missed that head-to-head debate.
Amy Alkon, just now: “There’s a presidential election on, but never mind that. I am sooo much more fascinating.”
The Troof, just now: “Shorter Sadly,No!: Thank God some lightly-read blogger is distracting attention from McCain’s mastering of Obama this weekend.”
COULD IT BE ANY CLEARER? AMY ALKON = THE TRUTH = GARY RUPPERT
Let’s see here … nope. Hmmm. Not here either. I can’t find it. Maybe one of the Super Patriot fReichtards can find the law or laws which state a person who doesn’t meet the generally accepted standards of society can be gunned down by any police officer who happens along?
Anyone?
OK, how about the law or laws which state a suspected criminal can be gunned down by any police officer who happens along, even if he can’t be perceived as a threat by a reasonable person?
Hello?
Interesting.
Gocart, I’m sure you’re you’re right. I’ve been banned. A shame, really. I was trying to warn her that Debra Kagan was climbing into her Stuka. Nonetheless, I’m going to drink more rye, then make a 1/3 pound hamburger, topped with onions, mushrooms and tomato, and finished with mayonnaise and ketchup. On the side: Steak fries sprinkled with kosher salt. Dessert: A pint of chocolate malted frappe. Apéritif: Rye.
Clem
Criminey, Truthy shows up late for the party, and off topic as usual. Didja bring a bottle?
Truthy, the biggest meme going around about that silly media exercise, even on the MSM, is Cheaty McCribsheet’s not playing by the rules, and the referee covering up for it.
That’s some goooood masterin’, all righty.
Because you are dim, you aren’t able to put together that you don’t “dehumanize” a dead woman.
Wouldn’t the killing of the woman be the dehumanizing part?
Just because nobody has mentioned it yet: why does it have to be “riding … drug dealer dicks”? Doubt Ames has even noticed it, but she’s pretty clearly revealing her fear of forbidden black sexuality. In Amy’s fantasy, Tarika Wilson wasn’t on her back, thinking of England (like a good girl); she was riding dicks. The perverse mix of repressed lust and jealousy evident in her choice of words is almost beyond words.
I’d offer Amy a bag of dicks, but she’d probably try to glue them back on.
And congratulations Mikey! I hope you drink a victory toast out of a SWAT member’s helmet.
I’m really not so good at these things, but I’m hoping that others will lend “Evander trollyfield” a hand. Amy has specifically said she encourages parodies, just NOT IN MY BLOG YOU TURDS.
WordPress is a pretty, pretty flower.
Yeah congrats, mikey.
I’ll make it out to California to have a drink someday.
Someday!
This just in from Crid, forensic psychologist:
Clearly, the first twenty minutes of Seven made an impression on the boy.
Mikey, I’m not very sanguine about the future, either. Food does help, though.
Clem
You know, looking again at Radly Balko’s article in Reason on no-knock raids, and remembering that Amy Alkon likes to think of herself as a libertarian, I imagine it must have been just awful for her to have to make that choice to use a mother’s killing as am opportunity to condescend about poor people having too many children. To choose between libertarian anti-statist principles and being a professional scold — a terrible, terrible moment, like Glas in Slow Dance on the Killing Ground, when he recalls learning of the Molotov-Ribbentropp pact.
I’m still waiting for someone to explain how her 13 month old son, who was shot twice and lost a finger, must also have deserved it. From the rest of the provided logic it stands to reason it must be so.
Or maybe he’s allowed to be human for a few more years until he’s in kindergarten and old enough tried as an adult by American standards.
I had a passing moment of wondering whether Crid was just yanking Amy’s chain; really, who could be that fucking CSI-spy novel-goofy? But I think he’s probably for real.
I wonder what that eejit does for a living? He doesn’t really seem highly employable.
“The Truth”: By your name I assume you are a lover of sarcasm. So am I. Unfortunately, Obama has a tendency to regurgitate stale talking points and his collaboration with the enemy while a P.O.W in Vietnam will work to his disadvantage. The simple fact that he is half white (unlike McCain) will ensure election this November. The fact that he does not have half the oratory skills or intelligence as J. Sidney III only proves that alas, life is unfair.
Doctor Missus Marita said,
August 19, 2008 at 4:19
Alternatively, I have a knight in shining binary ready to rescue my comments in distress.
I did notice a hiccup in the Force when my youtube link went though.
Sweet fucking crabcakes with Hollandaise. Truthy, you are still my favorite, but not right fucking now.
Fuck- maybe it’ll help me calm down. Okay what do you have? Cone of Silence gate? McCain did well in a debate designed to cater to evangelical conservatives? Big fucking whoop-de-doo. Hey Truthy, fucking social conservatives for whom abortion is a make or break position – the ones that might be “concerned over Obama’s answer”? They weren’t voting D anyways.
Okay, Obama did poorly with the GOP base. But guess what? This isn’t the fucking Mainstream press or a fucking Mark Penn fantasy scenario. Evangelical conservatives – voting R. McCain’s job was to get them fired up so they’d turn out in November – and from what I’ve heard, the biggest news of the weekend was about Obama and whether or not McCain cheated. Yeah – that’s clearly a victory for the unstoppablr RNC, which incidentally was outraised by more than 2:1 in July.
and I happen to know in Ca-na-na-na-da…it’s not rape if it’s dead!
D-K W: Forget it, man. It’s Chinatown.
Amy Alcon is one of those “cops have the right to shoot you in your own home at will but only if you are black or not a Republican” type of libertarians.
On another note: I am sick to fucking death of these fucking godbag evangelicals. I mean, compared with the numbers of Hispanics, Blacks, progressives, liberals, and multitudinous other disaffected populations that help comprise this great melting pot of ours, who the fuck gives a fucking fuck about these fuckers? I mean, seriously. Fuck ’em.
You’re spending too much time on this racist piece of shit. She’s no one, and while it’s fun to make her life miserable, it’s time to move on.
I’m with you on the godbags, MzNicky. With you all the way. Just once I’d like to hear a candidate say, when asked about religion, “It’s none of your business what I believe in or if I believe in anything at all, so kindly piss off.”
Of course said candidate would lose in a landslide, but oh how sweet it would be to hear those words, and to be a fly on the wall when it happened. Would there be a collective gasp followed by a low buzz of conversation or would there just be a flat silence? I’d really like to know.
It wasn’t a *debate*, Truthy. It was a succession of *interviews*. Two candidates were asked the same questions and they answered as best they could. Sort of like a job interview, actually.
Question: were the interview questions relevant for the job opening? Discuss.
Evangelicals are most concentrated in the South, and the EV’s Obama needs to win aren’t in the South. The Republicans have rode Southern & Western white reactionary conservatism about as far as that horse is gonna take ’em. So one grand effect of helping Obama win and the Democrats to increase their hold on Congress is to set the stage to reverse the South’s 30 year dominance of the Republican Party and, thus, American politics. Bye bye!!!
I mean, seriously. Fuck ‘em.
This is what I was trying to tell Truthy – everyone’s saying that this is the decisive demographic because it’s so big. Well, it ain’t that big. People who don’t believe in God or go to church, but don’t call themselves atheists or agnostics – these folks shouldn’t count as “evangelicals”. Maybe if this were a society where atheists weren’t held in the same regard as mass murderers or child rapists, then there might be a point.
Here’s the thing – the social conservatives are make or break for McCain. This is a big slice of the GOP base, and the foundation of their “much vaunted ground game”. If JiSM3 can’t rally the Godbots, he might as well offer to withdraw from the nomination in exchange for
a third round draft pickfuture considerations. And from what I’ve heard, all of the news about the “debate” was about Obama (whom the Evangelicals believe to be an atheist Muslim) or if McCain cheated by listening in on the questions early. That certainly sounds like a great rallying cry “They think we cheated – but we didn’t”. Catchier than Bucket’s first sign-off line, but not by much.Of course said candidate would lose in a landslide, but oh how sweet it would be to hear those words
Candy — But would he lose? I swear, even down here in teh Southland, I think people have had it up to the gullet with this horseshit, and many many voters would for once like to hear a candidate say what you did — namely, “piss off, it’s personal and nothing to do with running the country.”
Would there be a collective gasp followed by a low buzz of conversation or would there just be a flat silence? I’d really like to know.
When people try to give me religion, I always smile real big and tell them, “No offense, but I don’t give a damn about Jesus”. 99% of the time the reaction is a silent retreat, but one time I had a Mormon woman tell me: “Well, Jesus gives a damn about you.”, then she realized what she said and ran off. That’s too bad in a way, it wasn’t going to work, in the immortal words of The Dwarves: “I’m not going to Salt Lake City”, but it was about as close to having an empathic reaction to either a religion monger or the religion that I’ve ever felt.
Wow.
I just got banned for being snarky to another commenter. Some jerk recycling Liberal Fascism gets some ridicule, and I am outathere.
Boy did she show me a thing or two about who is boss.
Anybody here sad?
Anybody here miss what we’ve lost already?
Anybody wish we could get one more swing at it?
Anybody thinking that maybe we missed our shot, and we watched the whole thing slide through our fingers like sand?
I’m not sure how to even TALK about what my country used to be, it’s that far under the bridge. It’s about divisiveness and bigotry and tribal hatred and all the groups it’s “OK” to hate, gay men and muslims and mexicans, what the fuck have we become?
And sadly? We’re all guilty, because we all witnessed this horrendous culture of hatred and murder born, take root, and become “the center”.
I can’t even make a list of the fucking fuckers I hate at this point. Hell, the bigger question is who is going to bleed out martyr in the name of freedom and the american constitution?
That will be one sad hero…
mikey
I see Crazy Amy is another graduate of the Jonny Goldberg school of linguistics:
She considers herself a liberterian but condones police violence. She loves freedom but has been busy for six, seven, eight hours, “deleting the losers’ comments with alacrity.”
And finally, she has been putting her “liberal fascist” detectiving skills to good work as well:
The last two are from the same tiny little turd, this whois info:
IP address location & IP address info:
IP address [?]: 87.118.101.102 [Whois]
IP address country: ip address flag Germany
IP address state: Thuringen
IP address city: Erfurt
IP address latitude: 50.983299
IP address longitude: 11.033300
ISP of this IP [?]: Keyweb AG
Organization: Keyweb AG IP Network
Host of this IP: [?]: tor-anonymizer1.dotplex.de [Whois]
Local Time of this IP country: 2008-08-16 23:21
I’m writing a book about this now — about, among other things, people who have no self-control unless they’re being watched. They think they’re anonymous, and perhaps they are, so they behave in a way they never would if they were face to face and would be called on what they say.
Mr. Marshall, that made me smile! Thank you.
MzNicky, I honestly don’t know if it would doom the candidate or not. I’m afraid it probably would, though, once the press and the bibble thumpers got through literally demonizing him or her.
to set the stage to reverse the South’s 30 year dominance of the Republican Party and, thus, American politics. Bye bye!!!
Please, let it be so. Running the country based on the wishes of it’s stupidest members is not working out worth a damn. Especially aided and abetted by a media that been guilted into kissing Evangelical ass.
Which is damn bizarre in and of itself – Evangelicals are by and large self-righteous hypocrites whose primary allegiance is to Mammon. Why the news presenters represent them as great moral paragons is a mystery to me.
And in conclusion, you elect Presidents with the shit moat you have, not the shit moat you wish you had.
Truth, linking Salon as an example of a liberal blog is just lazy trolling, is what that is.
I would have accepted the Atlantic, however.
Candy: Which would indicate, if your fear is true, that the country is being led around with, like a ring through a beast’s nose, fundamentalist religion and exhibitionist media. Could a culture be more schizophrenic? Puritanical and pornographic is no way to go through life, Amurika.
This is going to get interesting.
More or less interesting than Kamau Kambon? Troof, your track record compares well to Rumsfeld, but not to much else.
No wonder he’s running away from town hall meetings with McCain.
Barry just doesn’t like that Ben-Gay and Depends smell of Ancient McPliestocine.
Which is damn bizarre in and of itself
Not really. How do you think the likes of Rupert Murdoch became a media mogul extraordinaire? By overestimating the intelligence of the American public?
On another note: I am sick to fucking death of these fucking godbag evangelicals.
Yikes. You’re gonna hate my update to the above post then …
I’ve always been worried about this election. I never thought it would be a landslide. There’s a solid 28-32% of this country which eagerly, absolutely, enthusiastically follows the craziest march of Republican apocalyptic warring monarcho-fascism, and they always will, immune to any appeal or consequences to their lives, and all you have to do is add another 20% and then futz with voting access and vote counting, and, boom, you’ve got yourself another 4 years of crazy, injurious, nation-destroying Republicanism.
On the other hand, Obama’s doing very well around the country outside the South, so things are looking good — not settled in Obama’s favor, just favorable.
Please don’t work too hard making Amy aware of the hypocrisy of her free speech crusade. I’m afraid it might kill the magic.
On the other hand, it is actually getting hard to troll her because she’s so religiously banning anyone critical of her free speech stance.
Petraeus 3:16: For General Petraeus so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Surge, that whosoever should continue to mindlessly insist upon its paradisical success could maintain a straight face about their Iraq disaster in public affairs, but would aspire to eternal power.
And why beholdest thou the mote of shit that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the aweful log that is in thine own?
– Matthew 7:3
Also her fave Rabbi Hillel: That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow unless they are dead and therefore not a fellow any more.
Yikes. You’re gonna hate my update to the above post then …
Why? You’re quoting Jesus. The Evangelicals have no use for what he has to say – they are way more into Deuteronomy.
“Xenos said,Wow. I just got banned for being snarky to another commenter.”
welcome to the club Xenos, I got banned on my first post for pretending to be Gary Ruppert’s attorney and in a non offensive manner, defending him against false charges of wikipedia vandalism.
And why beholdest thou the mote of shit that is in thy brother’s eye
But the Jesus has laser beam vision.
Fuck, we oughta get Gandhi something nice too.
I’m afraid it might kill the magic.
Oh please. Ms. Alkon uses it as fuel for her self-righteousness. It would only be in a pause that she might have the remotest chance of having a scintilla of humanity or self-awareness. As long as we’re filling the shit moat she can be counted on to supply the dog turdage.
And why beholdest thou the moat of shit
Correctly translated.
Hmmmm.
And why beholdest thou the mote of shit that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the aweful log that is in thine own?
– Matthew 7:3
Very Rightous there Bubba. Kudos with extra nacho cheese for ya.
That Deuteronomy is an asshole! Everytime somebody quotes some biblical jerk its Deuteronomy, or Liviticus, there’s another asshole!
And as far as cultural norms go, why’s a nice Jewish American Princess like Amy not married yet? I’ll bet Amy’s mom wishes she was married and not an old spinster bringing shame to the family.
Since Ms. Alkon is not living within cultural norms, there’s only one correct action, to be administered by the State: two in the noggin’.
Mote of shit? D.A., that is absolutely perfect!
I did, however, nearly choke to death on my pizza. Just a gentle reminder that if I should ever actually choke due to Sadly,No!’s excessive humor content, a certain Big New York Law Firm will swing into action like Althouse to a box-wine sale, and you will be toast!
Yay! I wrote that Matthew stuff great!!
they are way more into Deuteronomy.
And Leviticus. Not to mention Revelation!
Note to self: R. Bubbles’ real name is Matthew.
Oh, that was Mathew, never mind. He’s a wanker.
RE: ShitMoat. I was musing to myself the way I often do and I thought “Gee, the woman coulda’ just, like, tied the dog to the sign. It would need to be firmly seated,” I continued to muse, “maybe with CEMENT!” Then I thought to myslef, “Huh, she coulda’ used cement and forget about the dog.”
Personally I’d rather have cement around a signpost than a shit-moat. But that’s just me.
You know what other good for nothing slacker grew up without a strong father figure but instead devoted himself to his personal study?
Alkon has been doing a great imitation of an Italian soccer player lately. Every time we come anywhere near her, she falls down, starts screaming in pain, contorts her face wildly and gestures for a referee, hoping that we’ll get a yellow (or better yet, a red) card.
Yes, but at the same time, Italian soccer is known for its tight defense. And Alkon’s d stinks.
Not to mention Revelation
Which is doubly weird. The rules are laid out pretty clearly by Mary’s little tyke, and it seems me most of those folks fall into “lake of fire/gnashing of teeth” category.
The boy talks about hypocrisy being really, really bad, and greed being pretty bad, and being a self-righteous asshat as being pretty bad. And He really doesn’t have a lot of problem with much else.
So why these folks are all eager for their “End Times” is very odd. They may as well put the apple in their mouth and a meat thermometer in their ass.
Personally I’d rather have cement around a signpost than a shit-moat. But that’s just me.
Wasn’t part of the joy of the shit moat for Amy’s friend the hours of pleasurably fantasizing about the stinky car interiors of the sign-thieves? No, cement is just too clean.
“Sweet fucking crabcakes with Hollandaise.”
Thank you for that.
Listen, as a way out of practice Catholic (though I have been in church recently) I wanna know when my Pope is gonna question these candidates in Latin ?
That will be the defining moment for me as a former altar boy because those mofos are going to have to answer in Latin too.
Fuck that Vatican II noise.
“Huh, she coulda’ used cement and forget about the dog.”
What’s green, all around the house and made of cement?
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The lawn, I just put the cement in to make it hard.
Anything built or placed around a campaign sign is its own announcement, one that says, “Come on, try to beat me.” It’s like baby Jesus statues and their protective enclosures all over again.
You know what other good for nothing slacker grew up without a strong father figure but instead devoted himself to his personal study?
Bambi?
Bill Clinton didn’t have much of a father figure.
Which is probably central to her point.
From JohnMcCain.com to Politico to Ace.
The comment of the day:
What alignment is Barack Obama?
Chaotic Awesome.
LittlePig said,
August 19, 2008 at 6:02
So why these folks are all eager for their “End Times” is very odd. They may as well put the apple in their mouth and a meat thermometer in their ass.
Damn it würdpress, post linky to watertiger now!
http://www.dependablerenegade.com/dependable_renegade/2008/08/eyes-above-the.html
It’s not polite to sat baby Jesus. One should say instead “baby cheeses”
Shit Mote Veterans for the Truth is teh awsomest nym ever.
She needs to strap her chest down, and try to actually cover her head with her hair. Otherwise, she’s a left wing harlot, just like you guys are.
From JohnMcCain.com to Politico to Ace.
Jesus Christ. Blessed are the geek.
I wonder what the Beverly Hills Republican, Shit Moat McTotally-Not-Made-Up did to protect her bumper stickers…
Alternate shorter Da Troof: O how I love tonguejacking McCain’s shit moat.
“She drove a Lada” is a fucking low blow too.
Cheese & Rice! (not Jesus Christ)
OT but I was in Bologna, Italy a few years ago, (OTT don’t ask for grated cheese for your fillet of fish or the waiter will yell at you) and I saw cheese and rice on the menu so I ordered it. How funny is that? OOTT best bologna and cheese sandwiches in the world!!
I’ll point out that most likely the mob wasn’t “sent”, in the sense of “directed by a higher authority” because moonbats usually aren’t that organized. It’s more of a “pack” mentality: “Here’s her website! LET’S GET HER!” and the pack takes off baying.
They also overestimate themselves – whereas a Muzzie you offend might hunt you down in RL and cut your throat, they think they’re being all tough and butch by rearranging some electrons on your website. They spend hours and hours composing attacks that you erase with a single press of the DEL key. Pretty pathetic, but then they’re the only ones who ever accused themselves of being smart.
Posted by: Orion at August 18, 2008 11:35 AM
It’s so nice that Amy is banning all the blogofascists so that she can host blog comments with thoughtful commentary such as that.
(Orion, BTW, is a commenter over at niccedoggie.net.)
(OMFG I recognized that dude as a commenter from The Anti-Idiotarioan Rottweiler!!!!!!! I haven’t been there in years! Hell I just don’t even blog that much any more! BLOGS HAVE PERMANENTLY ATE MY BRAIN!!!!!!!!)
Diana and Dodi totally deserved to die because she was hanging out with the Wrong Elements,right Amy?
Here’s my question.
Would it be wrong to touch myself while watching Misty May-Treanor and Keri Wash play volleyball?
Um. Repeatedly?
mikey
Thank you Candy. On on this note, Good Night!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38Y3hvd0bFQ
P.S. Eat tiny little wurds from the shit moat, turdpress.
Would it be wrong to touch myself while watching Misty May-Treanor and Keri Wash play volleyball?
We’ll know when the SWAT team drops you and the monkey butler you’re cradling.
You know what other good for nothing slacker grew up without a strong father figure but instead devoted himself to his personal study?
N/A. See: “Was his mother riding drug-dealer dick?”
GWB has a thing for her, so you got that going for her with him.
“Would it be wrong to touch myself while watching Misty May-Treanor and Keri Wash play volleyball?
Um. Repeatedly?”
Moral imperative Mikey: it would be wrong NOT to !
Misty May not Laura obviously.
Nicedoggie.net has seared a permanent scar in the shape of nausea on my brain as well, Bas. Haven’t been there in months, and it was probably a couple years between my visits before that.
Funny thing, though — Orion’s actually right about one thing. A bunch of people independently went to Amy’s blog to comment on the Tarika Wilson post, not just ‘one guy-slash-Gary Ruppert’ as Amy STILL seems to believe in her frantic paranoia … not to mention Ace Intertoobz Detective Crid.
D. Aristophanes, if they didn’t suck her 3- cent. dick, my wild guess is they was banned!
After reading Orion’s argument that people who post comments to Amy’s blog are basement-dwelling time-wasters because the owner of the blog is lying in wait like a cat at a mouse-hole to pounce on each one and deleting it, I thought of the magisterial legal opinion from El Cid:
Alkon One can relax knowing that if you violate a corpse […] the corpse is not defined as a person.
This has the regrettable corollary that outrages like this, committed on Irony’s still-bleeding corpse, are not felonies either.
Shite, I change my name for one comment and this damn whatever keeps saying sockpupet.
I think we’ve gone too far: Ms Alkon has adopted a pseudonym and set up a new blog.
WordPress had it coming.
Speaking of sock-puppets, This brings back memories of my childhood. I bring you the greatest sock-puppet who ever lived. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEZePOZ41hQ&feature=related
Um, Truthy? Salon is not a “liberal blog”, any more than WaPo is a “liberal newspaper”.
Now this is a liberal blog.
Shit moat.
I just wanted everyone to know that I’m here….
…not just ‘one guy-slash-Gary Ruppert’ as Amy STILL seems to believe in her frantic paranoia … not to mention Ace Intertoobz Detective Crid.
Especially enjoy watching comments around crid disappear with the refresh.
Used to be a guy down in the Tenderloin who would stand in the middle of the intersection and debate himself…
It’s interesting; at least one of “DanPat”‘s comments were deleted, but this sort of thing stands:
DanPat aka brain aka Doctorb aka one of the noble titles on another site
Yes I link before watching. That is the young Herman Munster interviewing the greatest sockpuppet of alls time!
Nice try.
PS Crid is, in my opinion, certifiable.
Golly, you’d think Amy’d ban someone who was nutty like that.
…and Amy’s getting there.
…just a few..more…..posts……!!
Nice try.
Heh. See, I think crid is trolling, but everytime he lands an argument Alkon tidies up.
Okay, who the hell are you & what have you done with the REAL The Trout? You’re defiling his perfect record of specious drivel with your sudden outbreak of crypto-liberaloid sentient content! Blasphemer! Heretic! COMMIE!
Damn straight – & didn’t he say something about how a lot of these hypocritical “miracle healing” prayer-towel-pimping shit-stains were in for a big comedown when he responded to their entreaties with a hearty “piss up a rope” (in much nicer terms, of course) because he never knew them? Almost makes me hope they’re right about his imminent return, just to see the looks on their smug self-righteous faces when THAT other shoe drops.
As to poor Amykins – yeah, getting InstaPundit on her side is about the best refutation this horse-headed troglodyte could ever ask for. Talk about ongoing self-pwnage – if dissent from her blend of stupid is censorship, I guess I’ll have to change my name to League Of Decency. The soccer analogy was tres delicieux, by he way.
one from the archives:
http://whiskeyfire.typepad.com/whiskey_fire/2007/10/uniquely-human.html
cheers, amy.
This is freakin’ hilarious. With all the deletions, that comment thread is now Amy in the center of a crid moat … and how appropriate is that?
Oh, wow. So Amy was a Frost-basher, too? Not surprising.
Teh Moat gets wider by the minute.
D. Aristophanes said,
August 19, 2008 at 7:45
Oh, wow. So Amy was a Frost-basher, too? Not surprising.
Yup. Her reaction to Malkin and her storm troopers stalking a family because they qualified for a government program was essentially to ignore that it even happened and harrangue the father for his poor parenting.
OMTG, B-Roll trollies, quit already. Bedtime. Time out. What does it take? Real stuff to do.
Question: Is Crid actually convinced that we are One, or is he trying to convince others? Or convince himself? And, are we, in fact, one? Have I finally snapped?
Question: Is Crid actually convinced that we are One, or is he trying to convince others? Or convince himself? And, are we, in fact, one? Have I finally snapped?
Damn you, WordPress with the double posts!
Wait, did I say that out loud?
Wait, did I say that out loud?
Will you Yanks kindly explain to this befuddled Briton what the deal is with the whole ‘litter of babies’ thing? Seems to me that to thoughtful conservatives like Amy* babies are miracles of life and abortion is an awful crime unless you are black and poor, at which point God’s little miracles are an unwanted burden on the taxpayer.
* I’ve yet to meet a self-proclaimed libertarian who does not, when you scratch the surface, reveal themselves as an out-and-out authoritarian. So I classify them all as conservatives of some stripe or other.
Percyprune – I think it’s a combo of:
1. Amy thinks it’s tres hip to be brassy and un-PC, hence ‘litters’ and ‘riding drug-dealer dick’ etc., which nasty characterizations are generally euphemized more palatably (on the surface anyway) by more strait-laced wingnuts
2. She really is more libertarian (or more accurately, ‘glibertarian’) than conservative, in that her overarching concern is that somebody(!), somewhere(!) might be having babies/medical treatment/fun on her dime. Whereas more religious conservatives are pecksniffs for more Jesus-y reasons. Or something.
If I’ve got multiple personalities, I damn well better get a movie-of-the-week deal. I want “Amy” Alkon to play any of my female personalities. And do the Polish dialogue.
Well, I can’t speak for anyone else, but its gone beyond the political for me. She’s possibly the biggest lol-cow on the internet – and that can only mean I will keep poking her with a stick, so long as she keeps respponding in hilarious and out of proportion ways.
From the private-eye story unfolding on Cain’s blog:
I put the lid on the cheap scotch from last night – Glenmorangie –
Excuse me while I resppond in a hilarious and out of proportion way.
Wait, did I say that out loud?
Thank Gawd fer this Amy feller. Now I’m only the second biggest douchebag on the intertoobz.
Ah Smut, if you had spent 4 years in that hellish backwater that is Scotland, you too would consider Glenmorangie quite low on the scale. I once managed to get my hands on a 50 year old single malt Glen Grant while up there….now that is a scotch worth having.
I like my whisk(e)y like I like my women: aged twelve years or mixed up with coke.
@ Gocart Mozart: I’ve never pretended to be anything but an asshole, and I’m genuinely interested in your take on this. If you had to guess, why do you suppose she lived in these circumstances? I can understand a lack of immediate options, but this whole idea that birth control was somehow too hard for her to get – that just doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me.
Sadly, no. I think the mere fact that cops gunned her down in her own home while unarmed and holding her baby ipso facto proves that she had a hell of a lot to fear from the police. Care to respond asshole. Unlike Amy, this site is open to debating you.
Okay, I think a couple of posters misunderstood my intent with this comment: There is absolutely no reason she should have had to fear the police. She should have been able to reasonably expect protection from them, and not murder by their hands. The police failed her. They killed her. They should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. There’s nothing to debate vis-à-vis this point: I agree with you and the other posters here completely.
@ DKW: Bear in mind that 1. drugs weren’t dealt from the house, 2. the pathology report said that Tarika Wilson was clean of drugs when she died. Moreover, she was also sober, which is more than can be said for me right now and 3. She was motherfucking shot holding her baby in her opwn motherfucking home. NOT A SUSPECT OF ANYTHING.
I know that, thanks. The police should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. But she was in a dangerous situation even before the police showed up. THAT is my point. Ad-fucking-mit it!
@ Candy: asshole has probably never known any actual drug users or dealers either. I like the way people who’ve never been out of suburbia just assume that all drug users – and by all accounts Tarika wasn’t a user herself anyways – live in this constant sex and drugs environment. It’s just not true.
And I like how progressives such as yourself assume that anyone with a conservative bent has never been outside suburbia or met, y’know, real people. Seriously; how dare anyone suggest that Tarika contributed to her own situation in any tangible way.
Let me try this another way: that she had to fear the police was merely another layer of danger on an already dangerous situation.
Asshole:
but this whole idea that birth control was somehow too hard for her to get – that just doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me.
Free condoms and access to contraception is at base a function of education. For the last 8 years we’ve avoided that, and in the smaller cities they werent so interested in it anyhow.
the law couldnt muster any punishment in the case of amadou diallo, or sean bell. i think your calls for punishment “to the fullest extent of the law” are a little bit hollow maybe.
@ ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®©: In other words, the police weren’t doing their jobs – but hey, don’t stop using the Liberal Debate Tactics Handbook, rule #11 for this: If someone disagrees with you, interpret every comment he makes in the worst way possible.
@ Mikey: Never had his freedom arbitrarily taken, never been locked up, never been beaten by uniforms, never spreadeagled on the hot summer asphalt at gunpoint.
Wrong. I haven’t always lived in a “free country.”
And that is precisely why I figure police who violate the law should be punished worse than ‘regular’ offenders. In this case, it’s my fault for not clarifying my original comment better. She should have had nothing to fear from the police. It’s their job to protect individuals without concern for lifestyle. That they often don’t do their job is a fucking shame. In other words, she was the uncontested victim in this situation. My over-arching point, though, is that she was in mortal danger long before the cops got there.
@ MzNicky: Because, of all the infinite options that were no doubt available to her, that was the most attractive one and so naturally she chose it, is that it? I mean, who wouldn’t!
Was birth control too much of an imposition? Or how about avoiding sex with multiple drug dealers?
That BITCH!! Selfishly living in dangerous circumstances and selfishly having kids she couldn’t care for! Thinking of NO ONE BUT HERSELF and her lavish easy life as a welfare queen with six kids and drug dealers hanging around! How long, and with how much, must the American taxpayer suffer at the hands of these people!
I don’t know what her source of income was, and I don’t give a shit. My complaint has nothing to do with social assistance. Taxpayer…blah. I think she and her kids should have had access to a nice house in the ‘burbs and universal healthcare on the government dime. Seriously. I’d rather see that money go to her and her kids than to some corporate welfare scheme.
This has nothing to do with money, and everything to do with certain choices she made concerning the environment where she would bare and raise children. No – it’s a reasonable assumption that she didn’t care a whole lot about herself.
Hi. I am here for intelligent discussion about game theory and Star Trek.
* I’ve yet to meet a self-proclaimed libertarian who does not, when you scratch the surface, reveal themselves as an out-and-out authoritarian. So I classify them all as conservatives of some stripe or other.
because, like communists, libertarians are all the same. There’s no point in reading Nozick against Rothbard, because they all say, “po people iz fooked!”
that said, she’s a shitty advice giver with less humor in a single post than what Savage built into a sentence (and if she’s a big Moral Code Enforcing Big Brother fan that thinks a Tarika should be prevented, i.e. a 18th century paternalist, she can’t credibly be called a libertarian of any stripe) …and she actually gets paid for it. I hate how people give themselves backslaps for ‘finding’ the ‘common-sense advice’ market and providing it with said ‘common sense’ when the actual science would take far too long to explain and many times recommend no action at all.
Asshole, describe what you think her “living conditions” were?
You desperately want to believe she was living in a crack house don’t you? You desperately have to pretend she was hopped up on drugs every waking moment, don’t you?
@ Ragehol: Free condoms and access to contraception is at base a function of education. For the last 8 years we’ve avoided that, and in the smaller cities they werent so interested in it anyhow.
She spent nearly ten months carrying each child. She then either breast or bottle-fed the babies after they were born. She had to buy diapers, which aren’t cheap.
Six kids. That’s an absolutely huge investment of both time and money. Even if she weren’t providing “the best of everything”, that woman was forking over some major dough to keep those kids alive. (Disclaimer: It doesn’t matter where she got the money. This has nothing to do with the provision of social services.) Every time she had another kid, she put herself further into the debt of her past lovers – further away from ever being able to afford an escape from that toxic environment.
She could have afforded a box of condoms. In fact, she could barely afford NOT to make such a purchase.
the law couldnt muster any punishment in the case of amadou diallo, or sean bell. i think your calls for punishment “to the fullest extent of the law” are a little bit hollow maybe.
Say what? My call for punishment is hollow because the authorities won’t prosecute the killers anyway?
I guess saying nothing about the punishment those cops deserve, as opposed to the one they may or may not get, would ring less hollow to you?
asshole:
further away from ever being able to afford an escape from that toxic environment
perhaps she simply didnt see it that way, that her environment is toxic or that she needed an escape. people who live in a particular environment for their entire lives often think that that’s perfectly adequate. sometimes you have to dig a little deeper than the surface, or even than the current generation to find rational explanations for people’s choices.
also, abortion is bad, dontcha know.
My call for punishment is hollow because the authorities won’t prosecute the killers anyway?
If you’re calling for the authorities to punish someone they have made clear they have no intention of punishing even when they make grievous errors that kill people, then yes your call for punishment is hollow.
despite your assertions to the contrary, you really HAVENT ever left suburbia, have you?
Every time she had another kid, she put herself further into the debt of her past lovers – further away from ever being able to afford an escape from that toxic environment.
Actually, that’s not a good way to put it. She didn’t put herself further in the debt of her lovers, so much as more at their mercy. Every time she had another kid, she increased her odds of having to put up with humiliation in order to get basic necessities.
rageahol:
word.
Ragehol: despite your assertions to the contrary, you really HAVENT ever left suburbia, have you?
I’ve never lived in suburbia to begin with. In fact, the suite next to mine, in the downtown complex where I currently live, is inhabited by users. It’s exasperating, listening to dealers and users make excuses: bad childhood, poor schooling…whatever…it all sounds like excuse-making after awhile. That’s the perpetual cry of the addict: it’s always someone else’s fault. They’re always the victims of circumstance.
@ Fred Hampton:
Just because his site is a progressive echo chamber most of the time doesn’t mean the majority is always right. People here protect the dignity of the victim, claiming that no one is fit to judge how the dead woman conducted herself, because we haven’t walked a mile in her shoes; and yet these same people have no problem whatsoever with making guesses about my socio-economic status and where I grew up based on a few bulletin board posts.
word.
The word you’re looking for is ‘hypocrite’.
Every man has a right to utter what he thinks truth, and every other man has a right to delete his comments. Agreeing with the Alkon is the test. —Johnson
Still, phwoar, eh? PHWOAR, eh?
Eh?
@ Ragehol:
And one more thing…
If you’re calling for the authorities to punish someone they have made clear they have no intention of punishing even when they make grievous errors that kill people, then yes your call for punishment is hollow.
Bullshit. Calling for standards in punishing police-criminals, whether the government will meet those standards or not, isn’t “hollow.” Your duty to call for a harsh punishment doesn’t change merely because the culprits of this crime have already been given a “get out of jail free” card by heir handlers.
Whether the criminals will get the punishment they deserve or not should have no bearing on your continued advocation for a just punishment. They still deserve it.
I’ve never lived in suburbia to begin with. In fact, the suite next to mine, in the downtown complex where I currently live, is inhabited by users. It’s exasperating, listening to dealers and users make excuses: bad childhood, poor schooling…whatever…it all sounds like excuse-making after awhile. That’s the perpetual cry of the addict: it’s always someone else’s fault. They’re always the victims of circumstance.
I for instance grew up in a suburban meth lab AND an inner city crack den. Have no idea who is my daddy. But i survived, I pulled myself up by my jockstrap. I am cashing out six figure paychecks. Currently, my next door neighbors are selling dope to Billy idol and i don’t give a fuck. Cops won’t bust down my door because i own the cops.
See, we had shitmat come and play for us a few times, but shit moat? That’s just a vowel too far.
Well, let’s be realistic…we could think of poor Cindy McCain, having to be the child of divorce and having to know that her step-sister WAS dead to her. It seems to have done something to the poor child; growing up, it did result in a desperate quest to find a daddy figure, one that could chase her around a desk like daddy did with mom…
Okay Asshole.
It’s the cold light of morning, I’ve had a pretty good night’s sleep, the bourbon’s settled and out of my system.
You know, I might have conceded this last night – but now, no way.
You don’t know what her situation was before Chavalia plugged her. All you’ve got is a random ass collection of rap music lyrics and movies about South Central L.A. – unless you wanna step forward and tell us about your varied experience with Lima, Ohio.
Anyways, all of this irrelevant because as I’ve pointed ouy, about a million times now, and you acknowledge – she was a bystander. Collateral damage. The raid had nothing to do with her.
Here’s an example – imagine you go to the hospital to have those pustulent boils on your ass lanced. When you get therem it’s discovered that most of those boils aren’t boils at all, that’s just how your skin is – but since they’ve got you on the O.R. table, they decide to castrate you, for shits and giggles. Well, the police arrive and investigate and then decide that they can’t press charges because you’re a smoker – and thus you were putting yourself in fucking harms way with your risky behavior. That’s your argument.
I for instance grew up in a suburban meth lab AND an inner city crack den. Have no idea who is my daddy. But i survived, I pulled myself up by my jockstrap. I am cashing out six figure paychecks. Currently, my next door neighbors are selling dope to Billy idol and i don’t give a fuck. Cops won’t bust down my door because i own the cops.
No good faith at all. You’re not interested in argument or alternative points of view. And you guys have the ‘nads to bitch about Amy Alkon/
@ DKW: You don’t know what her situation was before Chavalia plugged her. All you’ve got is a random ass collection of rap music lyrics and movies about South Central L.A. – unless you wanna step forward and tell us about your varied experience with Lima, Ohio.
My experience with Lima, Ohio is precisely zilch – as I suspect yours is. But that doesn’t change my view that the woman was in danger long before the cops got there; and that Alkon’s thesis, though crassly worded, was essentially correct: this individual put herself in front of a fist.
She may not have expected, nor should she have had to expect, that the final blow would come from the police; but she damn wall could have predicted it would come from somewhere in her vicinity – and that, soon.
Hey Asshole, how about addressing those boils on your ass. Oh, and nice calling someone else out on good faith arguing – your entire point is basically the definition of a bad faith argument.
She may not have expected, nor should she have had to expect, that the final blow would come from the police; but she damn wall could have predicted it would come from somewhere in her vicinity – and that, soon.
You don’t fucking know that. Besides, even if she put herself in front of a fist, that’s totally irrelevant to her getting shot. What you are saying is that because you disapprove of her lifestyle, it’s more reasonable for her to have been killed. Really nice – Asshole.
@ DKW: Hey Asshole, how about addressing those boils on your ass. Oh, and nice calling someone else out on good faith arguing – your entire point is basically the definition of a bad faith argument.
I ignored your ass boils because they don’t make a lick of sense to me. As for bad-faith arguing, Alkon’s been shredded in, what, four different ‘Sadly, No!’ threads now. Hell, I helped.
But the initial comment she made wasn’t wrong. It was badly worded, but not wrong. The victim’s own mother characterized her, through the media, in the same way as I have. That woman was a victim, no doubt about it; but she was the sort of victim who, if the police hadn’t killed her, they’d probably wind up investigating her death at the hands of someone else.
Hey, you know what? There’s a lot of pollution in cities, and way more murders and violent crimes. Living in a city is risky fucking behavior – therefore if you get shot by police, you had to expect that it was coming sooner or later. I mean what do you expect from people immoral enough to choose to live in a city?
You don’t fucking know that. Besides, even if she put herself in front of a fist, that’s totally irrelevant to her getting shot. What you are saying is that because you disapprove of her lifestyle, it’s more reasonable for her to have been killed. Really nice – Asshole.
Uh, no; I’m saying that she lived in such a way that early death was practically inevitable – which was, as I understood it, Alkon’s original point as well.
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Asshole said,
August 19, 2008 at 13:04
I for instance grew up in a suburban meth lab AND an inner city crack den. Have no idea who is my daddy. But i survived, I pulled myself up by my jockstrap. I am cashing out six figure paychecks. Currently, my next door neighbors are selling dope to Billy idol and i don’t give a fuck. Cops won’t bust down my door because i own the cops.
No good faith at all. You’re not interested in argument or alternative points of view. And you guys have the ‘nads to bitch about Amy Alkon/
Using one snarky, immature comment to tar every single commenter on the site as snarky and immature = oldest, lamest trick in the troll playbook.
Busta:
Using one snarky, immature comment to tar every single commenter on the site as snarky and immature = oldest, lamest trick in the troll playbook.
Did you, uh, read any of the other comments here?
No. The initial argument is fucking GARBAGE. It’s like, oh, police shot her? Well to be expected since she was
blackliving in a bad neighborhood.It was a wrongful death. If she had been crushed by a meteorite, would you have said, well to be expected since she lived with drug dealers? What type of asshole are you Asshole?
To be clear. My impression of your argument is this:
She lived with drug dealers, she bore them babies – therefore she should have expected to die prematurely. Is that your argument?
Fuck. I haven’t had a coffee yet and I’m getting fucking worked up already.
Please also follow this: Amy Alkon’s argument is basically the same as yours. She disapproves of single motherhood – that there was a criminal element involved makes it easier. Therefore, her behavior before she died should be denounced and people like her should be shamed – because otherwise they might die totally unjustified and unrelated deaths.
And to back all of this up, she goes and hides any information that might make you think of the victim as anything other than another wasted junkie.
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Asshole said,
August 19, 2008 at 13:20
Busta:
Using one snarky, immature comment to tar every single commenter on the site as snarky and immature = oldest, lamest trick in the troll playbook.
Did you, uh, read any of the other comments here?
Yes, I did (failed to change my name back from Busta Rhymes after making a lame shit moat joke on another thread). There are obviously plenty of people making unconsructive, silly comments, because that’s the kind of site this is. But there are also plenty of people engaging you in good-faith arguments, yet you have used one post to invalidate those commenters and paint the entire site (ie “you guys”) in that snarky, unconstructive light. Which is a bit of a, hmm, shall we say BAD FAITH way of portraying those commenters here who have been good enough to debate you in a reasonable fashion.
DKW:
Hey, you know what? There’s a lot of pollution in cities, and way more murders and violent crimes. Living in a city is risky fucking behavior – therefore if you get shot by police, you had to expect that it was coming sooner or later. I mean what do you expect from people immoral enough to choose to live in a city?
Actions matter. It isn’t just where you live, but what you do that endangers you. If I were hanging out with drug dealers – and, duh, it’s a given that she was, since the fathers of her kids were members of that illustrious profession – and tying myself to them permanently, I fucking well would expect to be in bodily danger.
I didn’t see Alkon excuse the police in this matter. She merely pointed out something as plain as the nose on your face: that the victim probably cared little for her own life. It is impossible for me to see how someone who allowed herself to be passed around like a joint – and don’t tell me she didn’t; she had SIX KIDS, most of whom were half-siblings, for crying out loud – could be seen as giving a damn about her own life.
Dignity? What dignity?
I remember a story about a talking asshole.
No good faith at all. You’re not interested in argument or alternative points of view. And you guys have the ‘nads to bitch about Amy Alkon/
What the fuck you on about? If you love you some Alkon go slurp her bits, she loves that, but don’t be dissin my stories about my troubled childhood. I livede that shit and i visit inner city schools once a month, what do you do to help besides whine on the internets?
DWK: She lived with drug dealers, she bore them babies – therefore she should have expected to die prematurely. Is that your argument?
Yes. That is my argument. Drug dealers, and their hangers-on, tend to die prematurely. Either the victim knew this, lived with the fact, and even produced more human beings to force into that situation; or she was a complete idiot who passed through life utterly unaware of her surroundings.
Alkon never said the police were right. She said the woman they killed – their victim – was already in danger; that she probably didn’t value her own life that much.
Instead of addressing Alkon’s argument head-on, however, lots of SN posters focused only on the crass language used by the columnist: “Litter? Litter?! What a racist turd-head that Alkon is, to use such a disrespectful term. Sure, the woman had lots of kids and an unstable home-life, but she’s dead. Show a little fucking respect! I mean, it’s not like she could have reasonably expected she would leave her kids motherless at some point in the near future, when she bunked with dealers and lived around them. Anyone who says that woman didn’t value her life very much is obviously a racist or something. What a tool Alkon is!”
Okay then. Asshole is not only an asshole, but very good at being willfully ignorant.
Single mom? You’re endangering your kids – it’s obvious you hate your kids and don’t value your own life – won’t be surprised if you die violently and soon.
You know what? Fuck you. You know jack shit about Tarika Wilson, and yet you feel you can judge her. You feel that you can make a statement like “she cared little for her own life”. You’ve cast her in some perverse narrative based on rap music videos – passed around like a joint indeed. Guess what? She was a human being. What if your mom get shot by police for no good reason at all and people were all “well it’s sad, but she had to have known it was coming with such offensive offspring”?
Either…or she was a complete idiot who passed through life utterly unaware of her surroundings.
The irony! Thanks for crafting your argument with such care. And flatulence.
Actions matter. It isn’t just where you live, but what you do that endangers you. If I were hanging out with drug dealers – and, duh, it’s a given that she was, since the fathers of her kids were members of that illustrious profession – and tying myself to them permanently, I fucking well would expect to be in bodily danger.
When I was a kid, living in the meth lab, me and me sister used to dream of a house in the suburbs, with a pony.
Honestly, if things were so bad at home, I don’t know why she didn’t just go and stay at her summer place in the Hamptons.
Aww, now I have all the SN muffins in a tizzy. Of course Tarika Wilson was a human being, but she was also a victimizer, bringing kids into a dangerous situation over and over and over and over and over and over again. She was responsible not for her death, but for her manner of life – a lifestyle that practically guaranteed she would die prematurely and leave all those kids without a mother.
You guys have your heads in the sand, and yet you call me willfully ignorant. Pot to kettle: paying lip service to her humanity while at the same time denying that she exercised any degree of agency in choosing how she lived is exactly the same as dehumanizing her.
Yes. That is my argument. Drug dealers, and their hangers-on, tend to die prematurely.
heh. Seriously, you don’t know any drug dealers do you?
Just be honest, you are using ‘drug dealer’ to mean “you know, what I heard about 50Cent on E Entertainment”.
Asshole: Life is hard to deal with for some people. They make bad decisions, and yes, sometimes they make them over and over again. Just because you personally can’t conceive of such things does not mean they don’t exist, or that they invalidate those people’s right to basic human dignity.
I don’t think you’ll ever understand why you’re wrong. Basic human empathy seems to be a “you’ve either got it or you ain’t” kind of deal.
heh. Seriously, you don’t know any drug dealers do you?
Are you going to tell me that drug dealers – and I’m not talking about Mary Jane, here – tend to live long, full lives?
Admit it: you’re trying to put me on, here, right? This is some kind of “upside down world” thought experiment where there is no relationship between cause and effect.
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Aww, now I have all the SN muffins in a tizzy.
nah, maybe you got Dragon in a tizzy, me not so much, I dig your elitist buzzwords.
Asshole said,
August 19, 2008 at 13:51
Aww, now I have all the SN muffins in a tizzy.
Oh, and you need to ease up on this kind of smug bullshit, because that’s what really makes you look like a dick. Just ask Troofie; he does it all the time.
I don’t think you’ll ever understand why you’re wrong. Basic human empathy seems to be a “you’ve either got it or you ain’t” kind of deal.
In this thread, I’ve learned I’m a suburbanite troll who lacks empathy – and that, from people who slam me for judging a woman I myself never met. Hmmm.
nah, maybe you got Dragon in a tizzy, me not so much, I dig your elitist buzzwords.
Yes, and I dig your arrogant sarcasm – your belief that only people who agree with you and avoid words you don’t like are fit for conversation. It must be a liberal thing.
Are you going to tell me that drug dealers – and I’m not talking about Mary Jane, here – tend to live long, full lives?
Are you going to tell me that drug dealers -and I’m not talking about that movie Scarface- don’ tend to live long full lives?
Admit it, you learned everything you know about drugs from mtv rap videos.
Come on, the whole ridiculous “Im trolling SN” bit is tired.
Kiki:
Oh, and you need to ease up on this kind of smug bullshit, because that’s what really makes you look like a dick. Just ask Troofie; he does it all the time.
I could have presented my opinion in the nicest way possible, with sugar on top, and have gotten the same reception here. SN doesn’t ban people, to its credit, but the posters here are really no different than the ones on Alkon’s blog: merely different points on the same spectrum.
Man. I spend an evening working on upgrading the ShitMoat surrounding my yard, and y’all run up a thread 300+ comments.
My employer is going to be very upset with A. Alkon.
My dog, on the other hand, loves our new boundary marker.
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Asshole said,
August 19, 2008 at 14:00
I don’t think you’ll ever understand why you’re wrong. Basic human empathy seems to be a “you’ve either got it or you ain’t” kind of deal.
In this thread, I’ve learned I’m a suburbanite troll who lacks empathy – and that, from people who slam me for judging a woman I myself never met. Hmmm.
Yes, it’s terrible when people are judged on the words they say in a discussion. People should be judged on broad demographic categories, like “inner-city black woman” or “drug dealer”.
Are you going to tell me that drug dealers -and I’m not talking about that movie Scarface- don’ tend to live long full lives?
Yeah. That is precisely what I’m telling you.
Admit it, you learned everything you know about drugs from mtv rap videos.
Come on, the whole ridiculous “Im trolling SN” bit is tired.
And you’re still wrong, despite your cute little guessing game. Maybe if you keep tossing out wild guesses, you’ll finally get something right – but I doubt it 🙂
Kiki:
Yes, it’s terrible when people are judged on the words they say in a discussion. People should be judged on broad demographic categories, like “inner-city black woman” or “drug dealer”.
Is it wrong for me to judge Tarika Wilson?
Do you feel you have the right to judge Tarika Wilson?
And by the by, are you a Christian?
Yes, and I dig your arrogant sarcasm – your belief that only people who agree with you and avoid words you don’t like are fit for conversation. It must be a liberal thing.
Dude, really can’t help it if I am right and you are wrong. If it bothers you, maybe you should rethink your position, or, just fuck off. HTH. HAND.
Kiki:
No, I don’t think I have the right to judge Tarika Wilson – not in the real world, in an arena where my judgments would make any real difference. There, I’d save all my ire for the police.
It’s funny, though, that the SN crowd seem to think they know what I live like in the real word, and that they’re fit to judge me based only on what I’ve written here, but that Tarika Wilson is off-limits despite certain less than appealing aspects of her life being made pubic through the media.
They fucking savaged Amy Alkon here. I don’t like the woman’s advice or most of her opinion, but holy shit! One against 50?
I always troll, perhaps seriously and perhaps not, when the odds are so skewed – hence my moniker.
And no, I’m not a Christin.
Dude, really can’t help it if I am right and you are wrong. If it bothers you, maybe you should rethink your position, or, just fuck off. HTH. HAND.
No, hon; you’re wrong and I’m right. Perhaps when you’re older, you’ll realize the truth isn’t a popularity contest.
Jesus, but I am the typo king though.
Kiki:
No, I don’t think I have the right to judge Tarika Wilson
Well, I originally typed a more wordy response, but looking at your posts I’m afraid “Bullshit” is the only truly appropriate answer to this. Feel free to use it to portray everyone on the site as being afraid of honest debate.
Yeah. That is precisely what I’m telling you.
Sigh. And no doubt you have the anecdotal evidence to back that up? Something you read somewhere? A Miami Vice rerun?
I could have presented my opinion in the nicest way possible, with sugar on top, and have gotten the same reception here.
Crybaby. No one respects a drama queen victim.
fucking wordpress
Well, I originally typed a more wordy response, but looking at your posts I’m afraid “Bullshit” is the only truly appropriate answer to this. Feel free to use it to portray everyone on the site as being afraid of honest debate.
Why should I accuse the SN’ers of fearing honest debate when I’m not engaging in it myself? (Why Wilson’s lifestyle should have been an item of comment at all when the story says she was accidentally shot by police is beyond me. Alkon was essentially changing the subject to something unrelated by bringing up Wilson’s family. You have no freakin’ clue what I actually believe, and that’s as it should be.)
The line I’m holding hasn’t changed: Wilson knew she was in danger. She engaged in dangerous activities, and hung out with potentially dangerous people. She didn’t value her own life all that much.
Crybaby. No one respects a drama queen victim.
You’d know, kiddo.
The line I’m holding hasn’t changed: Wilson knew she was in danger. She engaged in dangerous activities, and hung out with potentially dangerous people. She didn’t value her own life all that much.
The line you are holding is weak and you know it. You drive a car? Potentially dangerous. I personally will write a blog about your irresponsibility if and when the cops kick down your door and shoot the fingers off your kid.
You’d know, kiddo.
You really suck at this commenting stuff.
Drug dealers die early because…
…full time dealers barely make enough to live on in the first place:
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=160500
…a lot of them are themselves users, and drug use most certainly leads to early death:
http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/DRUG/DRUG.html
…they die from misadventure (if they’re users):
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5548a2.htm
You really suck at this commenting stuff.
Nope.
No, you have us rolling in the aisles. It’s different.
No, you have us rolling in the aisles. It’s different.
I aim to please.
I always troll, perhaps seriously and perhaps not, when the odds are so skewed – hence my moniker.
heh. Whenever there is an idiot in need, asshole will be there.
heh. Whenever there is an idiot in need, asshole will be there.
You have No. Idea. I’ve spent months defending the Westboro Baptist Church in more than one forum.
Construction worker #1: What did that asshole say?
Construction worker #2: Just talking shit…
Construction worker #1: What did that asshole say?
Construction worker #2: Just talking shit…
Maybe you should avoid gang-piling people while involved in the self-congratulatory circle-jerk that is Sadly, No.
An interesting reversal of cause and effect. Make a post about shit, attract an asshole
Someone already wrote a manual, a step-by-step booklet for you to get your game on track.
Drug dealers die early because…
…full time dealers barely make enough to live on in the first place:
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=160500
…a lot of them are themselves users, and drug use most certainly leads to early death:
http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/DRUG/DRUG.html
…they die from misadventure (if they’re users):
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5548a2.htm
Yeah, thats what i figured. Just making it up as you go along. Love how your first link proves my point, you think all drug dealers are 50Cent.
You really aren’t that good at this, your troll badge is revoked.
but all is not lost, I hear YouTube need commentors.
Why? It feels good!
Apparently, there’s not much to do in the Canadian cow-town that commenter Asshole inhabits.
An interesting reversal of cause and effect. Make a post about shit, attract an asshole
LOL – oh, and you can bet your own asshole that I’ll be back on a regular basis (unless I get banned, which is fairly unlikely).
There are always posts about shit here, and there are always self-righteous lefty pontificators willing to defend their masters to the death.
Apparently, there’s not much to do in the Canadian cow-town that commenter Asshole inhabits.
This is the best game around.
You have No. Idea. I’ve spent months defending the Westboro Baptist Church in more than one forum.
I can only imagine how proud yer mum must be.
you think all drug dealers are 50Cent.
Dealers don’t make enough to live on – all dealers are 50cent? Yeah. I’ll be keeping my troll badge, thanks.
I can only imagine how proud yer mum must be.
Not as proud as she is when I defend the Klan.
Fun fact: Do you know that Alberta has its own Neo-Nazis. They live in this little backwater called Provost, and fancy themselves the biggest game around 🙂
…I’ll be back on a regular basis…
Joy. In the future, up your game.
Joy. In the future, up your game.
“Don’t ever defend an unpopular opinion at Sadly, No. Under all that pretense at humor is a streak of intolerance a mile wide.”
Fun fact: Do you know that Alberta has its own Neo-Nazis. They live in this little backwater called Provost, and fancy themselves the biggest game around 🙂
sigh. You really suck at this commenting stuff.
sigh. You really suck at this commenting stuff.
But it’s true! They even have these cute little uniforms. They practice marching and everything. (Serious mode: There’s a holocaust survivor, Sigmund Sobolewski, who used to show up at their rallies in his concentration camp uniform and call them out for the douchebags they were. It was 100 of them against one frail old man and they’d lost even before they opened their rotting poop chutes.)
Amy Alkon is a god!
She may not have expected, nor should she have had to expect, that the final blow would come from the police; but she damn wall could have predicted it would come from somewhere in her vicinity – and that, soon.
And your point, if you have one, would be that she had it coming one way or the other? Because she was black and poor and had six kids who were the offspring of drug dealers? Because you happen to know all about her personal story, her education, her access to birth control (wow, how well the “abstinence only” sex ed classes are paying off!)? Because your assumption is that she’s responsible for buying condoms and insisting her six drug-dealing sex partners wear them? (Uh-huh.) Cuz see, everybody knows all the options always available to everyone and that anyone who doesn’t take advantage of the best possible ones deserves what she gets.
Besides which: Woman! Black! SEX! With black Men! Lots of ’em! Kill her! Quick, before she multiplies again with her stupid lifestyle choices! By the way, whatever happened to the half-dozen ovum-fertilizing drug-dealing “daddies”? Anyone know?
Ahem.
In what way do no-knock searches, or in fact the entire war on drugs, square with being a libertarian?
Answer: they don’t. And if neither existed, Tarika Williams would be alive and her baby would still have all ten fingers.
But they do exist, as Tarika William’s death and her child’s loss of a finger attest. The fact that a self-described libertarian puts most of the blame for that state of affairs on the dead woman says everything you need to know about her self-proclaimed “libertarianism”. The fact that she used a term used for animals to describe the dead woman’s offspring (litters) and used crude terms to describe how said offspring came to be conceived (riding uncondomed drug-dealer dick) indicates exactly how not-libertarian Alkon is, and the same goes for her defenders.
An actual libertarian, one who puts that political ideology front and center and doesn’t modify it to excuse brutality against the weak, would look at the situation and note that the reason that co-habitating with a drug dealer is “dangerous” is that this country is engaged in a “war on drugs” in which, increasingly, law enforcement has the right to do pretty much whatever it damn well pleases in service of “winning” that war. What a true libertarian would not do is passively accept the state of affairs and assume that the weak “had it coming to them” when they became the victims of police overreach and brutality in pursuit of goals that are anything but “libertarian”. The fact that Alkon not only does accept that state of affairs but actively participates in the narrative that the blame goes to the victim says everything you need to know about her so-called “libertarianism”. The fact that she does so using an argument laden with harsh racist terms says everything you need to know about the true basis of her opinion.
And the fact that an asshole overlooks all of the above in order to hitch a ride on the Alkon bandwagon tells you that pretty much anything he has to say on the topic in defense of Alkon and against her critics lets you know that you need pay no attention to anything he says.
Besides which: Woman! Black! SEX! With black Men! Lots of ‘em! Kill her!
You’re the one bringing race into this. The color of her skin has fuck all to do with why she made poor choices.
Quick, before she multiplies again with her stupid lifestyle choices! By the way, whatever happened to the half-dozen ovum-fertilizing drug-dealing “daddies”? Anyone know?
I guess someone had better find out where the fathers are, or the kids will end up living with their maternal grandmother. I’m sure the older woman was looking forward to spending her autumn years raising a whole bunch of kids.
And hey, there; how do you know she had kids by six different fathers as opposed to three or four?
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Our nation is going through hard times. However, we’re not in a depression. We will be if the Democrats succeed in further damaging our nation’s economy by insisting on higher taxes and not allowing off-shore drilling.
High gas prices have pointed to a bunch of no-drill Democrats who refuse to hear the people’s will. Their psychobabble about our energy crisis puts our home land security in danger. We need oil as we develop other energy alternatives. Oil byproducts are found in nearly everything we use. There will always be a great need for fossil fuels.
Americans must choose leadership that comes with maturity and years of experience. This is not the time for a president to receive on the job training. Think before you vote. There are too many important issues that need immediate attention and can not be solved by words alone.
In an op-ed entitled “McCain Gets My Vote” persuasive reasons were given to elect Sen. John McCain. He has presidential credentials. Our troops and veterans have the greatest respect for him. World leaders know him and understand that he is a man of solid principals. .
If you’re an Obama supporter, now it the time to get off of your comfortable complacency. Familiarize yourself with Obama just like you know the back of your own hand. Don’t take other people’s words as fact. There is much information to absorb before you cast your vote. Obama may impress you, but his shady past and lack of experience must take priority in your final analysis.
Become a Sherlock Holmes while seeking information about your candidate. Checkout other places including the DNC website or BarackObama.com. Rev. Wright suggested that we read Dr. Cone’s “Black Theology and Black Power.” While you’re at it, pick up a book on CD: “Obama Nation.” written by Dr. Jerome Corsi. You’ll get a well rounded picture of the man that you believe is admirable.
I’m Coach Urban Meyer, and the SPREAD of TRUTH says I’m right!
In what way do no-knock searches, or in fact the entire war on drugs, square with being a libertarian?
Fwew! Good thing I’m not a libertarian.
But they do exist, as Tarika William’s death and her child’s loss of a finger attest. The fact that a self-described libertarian puts most of the blame for that state of affairs on the dead woman says everything you need to know about her self-proclaimed “libertarianism”. The fact that she used a term used for animals to describe the dead woman’s offspring (litters) and used crude terms to describe how said offspring came to be conceived (riding uncondomed drug-dealer dick) indicates exactly how not-libertarian Alkon is, and the same goes for her defenders.
You dismissed Alkon’s argument whole because you didn’t like the crass terms she used. Christ in a cracker; grow a thicker skin.
And the fact that an asshole overlooks all of the above in order to hitch a ride on the Alkon bandwagon tells you that pretty much anything he has to say on the topic in defense of Alkon and against her critics lets you know that you need pay no attention to anything he says.
I think you should take this argument a step further: you need pay no attention to anything anyone says if they disagree with you.
Hey, Asshole — it’s me, the dim Sarah that Amy told couldn’t dehumanize a dead woman. One of my problems with Amy’s post was not just the dehumanized part — but also the stupid strawman argument she started her post with that said that a person was either completely opposed to having a child out of wedlock or believed there was never anything wrong with it at all. Look, I don’t think there is a commenter here that thinks that having 6 children by 5 different men by age 26 is a good thing, whether those men are bank presidents or drug dealers. But our (okay, my) one and only point is that the nobody deserves to be gunned down in their own home when they have committed absolutely no crime. Whatever their background, their story, their circumstance. Nobody knows what the future held for this woman—-I understand she was planning to enroll in college — maybe she had gotten to the point in her young life of realizing she did have other options, and was trying to make a positive change. I don’t know and neither do you, and you know what? It is completely fucking irrelevant. If you want to keep making the argument that this woman had until this point screwed up her life, go ahead. That doesn’t mean she would have kept screwing up her life , and it doesn’t mean there was any justification in any sense at all for the police to raid a home with guns blazing in which there were no drugs, no drug dealers, just a mother and her 6 children.
@ Sarah: I agree, especially with this part:
If you want to keep making the argument that this woman had until this point screwed up her life, go ahead. That doesn’t mean she would have kept screwing up her life , and it doesn’t mean there was any justification in any sense at all for the police to raid a home with guns blazing in which there were no drugs, no drug dealers, just a mother and her 6 children.
You dismissed Alkon’s argument whole because you didn’t like the crass terms she used. Christ in a cracker; grow a thicker skin.
No, moron. If you could read, you’d see I dismissed Alkon’s argument because it doesn’t square with who she says she is.
As we’ve established, Alkon isn’t a libertarian. Or at the very least, she’s willing to put her libertarian ideals aside in cases where people get punished and she, through her own twisted calculus, decides they deserved what they got.
I think you should take this argument a step further: you need pay no attention to anything anyone says if they disagree with you.
That’s Alkon’s schtick. We’ve already established that she has no sacred principles and that you don’t either. Which is why we need pay no attention to anything you say.
how do you know she had kids by six different fathers as opposed to three or four?
Amy Alkon told me so! So it must be
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I’m Coach Urban Meyer, and the SPREAD of TRUTH says I’m right!
Ah, Florida’s new spread-eagle offense eh? Watch out for #69, she’s a killer!
Okay Asshole, I understand your perspective now. You’re speaking up for Amy Alkon because no one other than her mouth breathing league of sycophantic commenters will. Other than Amy Alkon of course, who appears to acknowledge no constraints on opening her bile-hole.
I suppose you also agree with Alkon’s Radwaste then, in that since blacks are incarcerated at rates of ten times that of non-blacks, them negroes are all just criminals.
I suppose you also feel that that’s not a racist position to have since you also think that white drug dealers are scumbags who deserve to have all their loved ones killed.
I suppose that since you are an asshole, Amy Alkon may actually be into you in that way. But you gotta get in line, apparently there’s a whole ream of fluffers waiting for a chance to polish her knob. BTW, I don’t mean that she’s a man – that M-to-F trannie shit, while funny as hell, kinda detracts from the point that Amy Alkon made a horrible post and then defended it with crazy-ass paranoia and shitbag tactics.
You know what else is a very dangerous profession? Being in the military. I suppose you also feel that widows of the Iraq War should just expect to die violent premature deaths. Or is that different?
You think Alkon’s getting ganged up on? Go back and read the comment thread on her first post. Note that despite her recent ban-o-matic spree, lujlp escaped unscathed:
or how about momof3?
or
brian – geez, he’s a piece of work
And you know what? While I was there tut-tut-ing them, throwing their misogyny and racism back in their faces, they tried to behave. They didn’t want to give me more ammo – although there was plenty to spare. But the strain’s been way too much for them. The thread dedicated to Sadly, No! – you can watch them devolve back into shit-flinging howler monkeys. So yeah, you go and worship your hate-filled egomaniacal paranoid AdviceGoddess – and judge bystanders who were negligently killed. It’ll reflect well on both you and Alkon.
I don’t understand the whole “insufficiently valued her own life” thing. Is there some sort of quantitative point Life-Value Scale? Did Tarika Williams have an excessively low L.V.S. score, lighting up the jewel on her hand that signaled to police that she could be shot at?
“I’m Coach Urban Meyer, and the SPREAD of
TRUTHpee down my pants says I’m right!”Fixed.
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N.C. said,
August 19, 2008 at 15:45
I don’t understand the whole “insufficiently valued her own life” thing. Is there some sort of quantitative point Life-Value Scale? Did Tarika Williams have an excessively low L.V.S. score, lighting up the jewel on her hand that signaled to police that she could be shot at?
Fuck knows. By the same logic, Amy’s friend puring dogshit on her own lawn was proof that she didn’t value her lawn, and therefore an invitation for others to pour shit on it, or set fire to it, or whatever.
Hey thanks for coming back Bucket. A little random ass crazy is just what the Dragon-King needs right now, since it’s way too early for bourbon. Okay we’re talking about Amy Alkon, the consummate victim, complaining about her bad treatment for calling an innocent bystander killed in an unreasonable, never-should-have-happened police raid a professional victim. We’ve got free speech and shit moats, glibertarians and racists, we’ve even got Graeme Frost and his diamond encrusted counter-tops and solid platinum kitchen cabinets. How on earth are you going to go OT?
WOW. Drilling -> Need for petroleum derivatives -> McCain is loved by the military and vets and foreign leaders -> Jeremiah Wright.
That’s amazing. You wander all over the place and still manage not to overlap anything already being discussed.
I see that you’re quite attached to the Coach part of your handle. I guess you must mean Coach as in “Wingnut Air, where you can fly Coach – because that’s all the class we got”.
SPREAD of TRUTH? Is that something you put on Freedom Toast? I’m giving the updated sign-off a thumbs down. The rpevious one was much better.
The fact is, even before the primary had ended, feminists/womanists (hereafter FWs) who had become disenchanted with Senator Barack Obama as a result of worrying rhetoric on reproductive rights, his and his campaign’s use of sexist dog whistles, and/or his silence in response to an appalling onslaught of misogyny unleashed upon his opponent, were being bullied at any indication (real or imagined) that they would not vote for him. The usual cudgels were brought out to browbeat them—Roe (to which I’ll return later) and the ominous accusation that if McCain won, it would be their fault. As ever, it was the people calling out sexism and/or anti-FW policies who were charged with creating division among progressives, as opposed to the people engaging in sexism and their defenders.
Given Obama’s most recent flub on abortion rights, first stating he doesn’t “think that ‘mental distress’ qualifies as the health of the mother” regarding late-term abortion exceptions, then clarifying by reiterating the same thing and fleshing out the pregnant straw-woman who wants a late term abortion just because she’s “feeling blue,” plus more of the “pastor and family” rhetoric—a veritable symphony of rightwing talking points, infantilization and mistrust of women, and hostility toward their autonomy—one might expect the bullies to realize that perhaps the FWs who had concerns about Obama also had a point, but if bullies were rational, they wouldn’t be bullies. And so the drumbeat to cast FWs with legitimate complaints as the root of progressive discordance has only intensified.
Thus, I’m voting for Fred Phelps, and you should too. And me voting for Fred Phelps is your fault, and waaaaah waaaaaah.
N.C.: I believe Asshole suffers from advanced solipsism. He’s incapable of realizing that others’ lives have not necessarily unfolded in the same privileged ways that his has. Thus, humans who are unfortunate enough to not have been he, and to have had available to them all the choices and advantages and relative safety and protection that he himseslf has enjoyed all his life, are purposely making bad choices and living bad lives in bad situations that will get them killed, which they deserve and should expect anyway for not being he in the first place.
Wait a sec, I just got it. Bucket’s not so random after all. Check it:
Drilling for Oil = Liberating Black Gold
Trinity United = Black Liberation
They’re practically the same!
Wait, Gary Ruppert is Iris?
PENIS
What? No new posts about meeeee? Aren’t you obsessed with me anymore?
The fact is, there are too many progressives who view social change like conservatives view economics: Make everything as splendid as possible for those at the top and the benefits will “trickle down” to everyone below.
Well, it’s bullshit when we’re talking about tax cuts, and it’s bullshit when we’re talking about equality and opportunity.
FWs know that—and if we’re beginning to feel resistant to being played like suckers every election, if we’re increasingly unwilling to play the equivalent role of the disaffected evangelicals who keep voting Republican as though the leadership will give a rat’s ass about them someday, can you really blame us?
We make fun of those people.
“Gary Ruppert”, you are a total waste of oxygen.
Let’s just hope that the cops break down your door and fill you full of holes, because you richly deserve it.
What Sarah said. And my own addition is that, in my opinion, people (like Alkon for example) who willingly enter their opinions, behavior and business into the public sphere are ipso facto legitimate targets for criticism, mockery and satire. People (like Tarika Wilson) who have their opinions, behavior and business thrust into the public sphere unintentionally, are not.
That’s a fundamental pillar of good manners in Intertoobz debating, as I see it.
That said, I think asshole’s fairly polite treatment of the Wilson story and ensuing Alkon brouhaha, as more of an intellectual exercise about choice and its repurcussions, is miles better than Alkon’s nastiness about ‘riding drug-dealer dick’ and ‘litters’ of babies. Wilson’s children may one day see that stuff, her surviving family member may have already seen it. That’s really regrettable.
But my final question to asshole is this – what’s the point in picking this one individual out of the line-up of statistical evidence we have about poverty, teenage motherhood, drug dealing, etc. etc.? What possible purpose does it serve to bandy her story about the Intertoobz? Why is a sample size of fucking ONE being used by Alkon to clumsily and mostly incorrectly explain complex, larger trends? Especially when that particular single case is defined — even by Alkon’s own begrudging admission — by the injustice done to Wilson rather than whatever poor choices she theoretically made before getting shot and killed by the cops.
It was crass and nasty for Alkon to pick on Tarika Wilson, to make Wilson the poster child for Alkon’s bizarre compulsion to lecture the black community about socio-economic problems that are orders of magnitude more complex than the ‘personal responsibility’ metric she boils everything down to. That was a mean thing to do, and people called her on it, and here we are.
Amy Alkon said:
Nah. You’ve got that covered. I’m obsessed with the troll who’s diligently tunneling beneath your foundation.
Clem
Newt Gingrich recently got a very funny e-mail from a retired military officer in Tampa who pointed out that most tire inflation is done at service stations and you pay for it.
And it’s actually a higher profit margin than selling gasoline.
So Sen. Obama was urging you to go out and enrich Big Oil by inflating your tires instead of buying gas.
!!! 1! LOL!!! 1!!!
Newt Gingrich recently got a very funny e-mail from a retired military officer in Tampa who pointed out that most tire inflation is done at service stations and you pay for it.
Actually, most gas stations I’m aware of offer air and water for free. I can’t remember ever seeing anyone charge for them.
Perhaps Newt Gingrich has never had to gas up his own car. Not sure what your excuse is…
Bucket? That must be fake Bucket. There’s only one bizarre aside – about air vs. gas – not to worry fake Bucket, High School Chem students make that mistake all the time. Gas is a state of matter.
Also, best Bucket sign-off EVAR!!!
Shorter Amy Alkon:
NOW WE SEE THE VIOLENCE INHERENT IN THE SYSTEM! HELP! HELP! I’M BE REPRESSED!
Yeah, we’re still adjusting Urban Meyer’s bolts. He’ll be good in no time.
Damn it. Blew the punch line.
Perhaps Newt Gingrich has never had to gas up his own car.
Oh, we’re going to debunk Newt? Sure, I guess he’s still influential.
From Ben at ThinkProgress:
There’s more anout how it’s not just incorrect, but also exactly wrong.
Gary Rupert said:
“The fact is, there are too many progressives who view social change like conservatives view economics: Make everything as splendid as possible for those at the top and the benefits will “trickle down” to everyone below.”
Really? Can you name one progressive who fits this description?
And Asshole — not trying to tell you what to do, but if you want to do something positive about the problem of poverty stricken young women having children that they may be ill equipped to care for, you might want to consider a donation to Planned Parenthood (the organization that helped me avoid an unwanted pregnancy in a confidential, health and education focussed way almost 30 years ago.)
Umm, more about…and whatever.
Also, just checked out the Mrs.Dr. post. Marquis and Joe Max, I tip my Bhutanese Dragon-Crown to youse.
WOOP! WOOP! billmon ALERT!!! billmon ALERT!!! WOOP! WOOP!
ordWay essPray has one of my comments in moderation because of the linky-linky. But if you’ve got Georgia on your mind, there’s a dKos diary that you might want to take a gander at. Or check back here in a few minutes and look at the comments above this one.
She cared so little about her own life, and about the lives of her children, that she not only remained in a dangerous situation but also exacerbated the conditions that kept her there by having kids she knew wouldn’t be properly cared for.
I’m sure that this has already been addressed because when I first opened this post there were 363 MILLION comments already, which I haven’t yet finished, but I can’t help but comment on this. Firstly, making poor personal choices is not capital offense.
Secondly, and more importantly, the tragic shooting death doesn’t illuminate the victim’s feelings on race, which was Alkon’s main point: the comment at which everyone bridled, besides the demeaning “litter” stuff, was that the dead woman showed less regard for the worth of black life than the cop who shot her. The thought that Tarika Wilson decided how to live or with whom to have sex because of regard or disregard for her race is ludicrous, and it would be even more ludicrous to try to extrapolate anything from the incident to a whole race, as it appeared Alkon was trying to do.
D. Aristophanes: Thank you for your succinct, clarifying summation of what we’ve all been sputtering about now for days. Excellent job.
Newt Gingrich recently got a very funny e-mail from a retired military officer in Tampa who pointed out that most tire inflation is done at service stations and you pay for it.
Every place I go you do it yourself and air is free if you buy gas. Dueling anecdotes!
All these SadlyNo!ers are ruining the comments here at SadlyNo!
PLEASE BAN THEM ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As we’ve established, Alkon isn’t a libertarian. Or at the very least, she’s willing to put her libertarian ideals aside in cases where people get punished and she, through her own twisted calculus, decides they deserved what they got.
The world is filled with “libertarians” who only care about the rights of people they like and relate to, but have no problem with oppression of people they don’t.
I think Alkon just hates children. Well, children and poor people. If you read through her stuff, she comes across as pretty pro-sex, pro-birth control, (generally) not overtly racist. But, like so many of the other deserving targets of S, N!’s mockery, she’s one of the people who ‘never had any help’ and ‘never makes a poor decision’, and looks down on 99.999% of the population because they’re not Amy Alkon.
She also displays a stunning lack of humility, gratitude and self-awareness regarding her ‘job’, and doesn’t seem to have the slightest grasp of just how dispensable and unnecessary her ‘work’ is. Honestly, advice columnist? Hell, I could knock out an advice column in less than two hours and three beers.
And, how’s this for arrogance and poor form? She started her own petition drive to reinstate her column in an Ithaca newspaper. Classy!
Did I mention she’s also a terrible writer?
Sarah nails it. It does not matter what kind of life the deceased lived. The suggestion that she might be partially culpable for her death really crosses a line of decency.
This is not a case of people rejecting someone who disagrees with them, Asshole. It’s a case of people being appalled by your lack of common decency. Alkon affects to be an arbiter of morality (and so, it seems, do you) and yet I see nothing moral in this thuggish pecksniffery.
Victim blame seems to be an industry. If a woman is raped, someone will tell us it was her own fault for dressing so provocatively. When woman is slain in her own home by pumped-up cops, we are told she should not have made herself a target. I know that Christian religionists are fond of looking down their noses at sinners, and even the Eastern philosophies have the notion of karma, but I find it revolting that someone can be slated for having too many kids and a poor choice of boyfriends. These are not, in the grand scheme of things, great sins. And I think less of you for seeming to get jollies and some kind of personal validation from this sad, sick tragedy.
Way late to the argument, but doesn’t it seem just a little too convenient that all of the fathers were drug dealers? Where does that information come from? Or does Ms. Alkon just assume that all black baby daddies are drug dealers?
I made my first and last comment at Amy’s yesterday afternoon. I assured her no one wants to silence her and keep the funny coming. My big mistake was calling her thin-skinned for whining for three days about us Sadly fans bagging on her. To prove she isn’t thin-skinned, she banned me.
She is the gift that keeps on giving.
Pfft. Her site has gotten more hits in the last week than in the previous year, so I don’t know what the hell her problem is.
And she’s still squawking about being “silenced”.
Why does WordPress hate me? Seriously, every comment I make goes to moderation.
Also, just checked out the Mrs.Dr. post.
Who is this strange and pointless person who thinks that she can also use my title?
Please note the proper description for libertarians who can’t express themselves clearly and won’t shut up is Gibbertarian.
You have until August 31st to update your Big Book of Internet Traditions.
p.s. WordPress sucks the shitmoat.
How to tattoo a bullseye on your forehead, Interwebs edition:
Thus, you’ve forfeited any claim to be taken seriously by folks not prone to massive cranial trauma.
Congratulations!
People who’s idea of a good time is emotionally raping bereaved families with their cult of purity & hatred don’t really need you sticking up for them for months on end – bonus points for figuring out why.
Points off for going on a site dedicated to teh snark, saying stupid shit, then immediately dialing nine-waaah-waaah when you actually get snarked. Why should anyone argue in “good faith” with a dickhead? You’re not worth the effort, bub.
PROTIP: please Google “attention whore” for more information.
There’s one more point I want to re-iterate about Amy Alkon, something I tried to bring up a week ago – and I’d like to do it before that Overton Window closes.
When someone argues that since black people call themselves niggers, everybody (and especially them) should also be allowed to do so – that’s a red flag. It labels the racist idiot making that argument as a racist. It’s similar to “but I have lots of black/gay/muslim friends”. She makes both of these arguments re: LaShawn Barber, Thomas Sowell, Bill Cosby, her Korean assisstant, etc.
She pretends not to understand what is meant by the context of using “litter” to describe black babies. She claims that since she also uses the same terminology for catholics and single white rich bitches it can’t be racist. From the examples she provides, it is abundantly clear that the term is derogatory. Her contempt for catholics is palpable – and it’s clearly her intent that we should be comparing Tarika Wilson to livestock.
When it’s explained that the context of using animal terminology to describe a minority that was literally treated like animals, is different – that the context makes a difference – she just re-iterates her claim. When it’s pointed out that having a pathological hatred for catholicism does not innoculate one from being a racist – she just re-iterates her claim.
In retrospect I see that last week I was far too civil and gave her wayy too much benefit of the doubt. Looking back at the evidence, not just the original post – but much more the way she’s “defended” herself since then, it’s abundantly clear (at least to me) that Amy Alkon is a racist.
I would still welcome incontrovertible proof, or even just a fairly good demonstration, that I’m wrong – but watching her self-immolation and intentional deceptions, I am certainly not expecting it.
Who is this strange and pointless person who thinks that she can also use my title?
Whups – sorry ’bout that. I don’t know what we’re supposed to call Helen. Plus I’m doing my bit not to go off on another screaming fit, and it’s really distracting.
Did I mention she’s also a terrible writer?
I corrected a writing error in the initial column 300 comments in. YOU ARE WELCOME AMY.
I guess the other irritating thing is that if you’re on Amy’s side you can be a ridiculous racist and not get banned.
Whups – sorry ’bout that. I don’t know what we’re supposed to call Helen. Plus I’m doing my bit not to go off on another screaming fit, and it’s really distracting.
Doesn’t she claim to be a “Forensic Psychologist”? Maybe the CSI Shrink?
Doesn’t she claim to be a “Forensic Psychologist”? Maybe the CSI Shrink?
Or was that Psychic Foreskin-ologist?
Mikey, Mikey, Mikey! Can you hear me? Is this thing on?
Okay. Please please, do this for me: wash your hands, then fax me a triple Laphroig. Wait. Make it a quadruple. Thank you ever so much.
D. Aristophanes said,
August 19, 2008 at 8:24
Question: Is Crid actually convinced that we are One, or is he trying to convince others? Or convince himself? And, are we, in fact, one? Have I finally snapped?
You know, there’s a guy that comments at a rather prominant liberal website who has the same affliction. He thinks that every person that trolls the comments there is the same troll (one that has trolled here before). He’s not the first person in those comments or even others to suffer from this affliction.. But this has been going on for two years as far as I can tell.
This guy never considers how effectively he’s been trolled when his response to just about every troll is “good to see you x.” I actually don’t doubt that the troll in question stops by every once in a while to acknowledge this guy just to keep him going. But the thing is, any other competent troll is just going to act like they are troll x just to egg the guy on.
I don’t understand it either. It’s practically impossible that there is only one troll at this website, It gets way too much traffic
The same here. An awful lot of traffic got directed to Alkons site. It’s impossilbe that only one person saw fit to leave a comment.
There’s just some impulse that some people have whereif you ‘know’ that there’s one and only one troll behind all of it, then you are in control of it somehow.
*shrug*
“They are duty-bound to protect individuals without regard for lifestyle.” – Stupid Asshole
No, they’re not…unless you’re their prisoner.
I think Asshole is Amy.
Wow. There’s just an awful lot of stupid in this thread.
Anyone who believes that this poor woman deserved to die because of bad decisions she likely had no choice to make due to her circumstances is so fucked up that they have crossed the line from humanity into some sort of slavering, mouth-breathing Neanderthal vengeance fetish.
Can’t we just stuff them all into the Deep South, saw it off and kick it into the Atlantic like Bugs Bunny did with Florida that one time?
573.
Shorter Asshole:
Tarika’s baby’s daddy was a drug dealer. They are ALL guilty.</b
And why didn’t the undercover cops just bust this douchebag the first time they bought drugs off him? You know, and not have to go through the trouble of a fucking SWAT siege in the first place?!
So they can use their shiny expensive piece of shit killing toys.
Fuck all of this.
Muahahaha. You thought you could top me, Alkon Thread, but you failed! I will forever be the champion!
Ugh. I give up.
Arky FTW!
And, oh yeah, Asshole is totally Amy.
My money is on Megan McArdle.
And MzNicky nails it at 15:56. I’d call it “advanced lack of empathy” or “borderline sociopath”, but yes, it’s a child of privilege under the delusion that it has a hard life.
I think Asshole is Amy.
My money is on Megan McArdle.
Asshole’s a better writer than both.
In any case, what instruction can we draw from the life of Tamika Wilson?
No instruction because we don’t have enough information to draw on without making assumptions.
Shorter asshole: If the police hate you, you should respect that and not have babies. Also, my lack of evidence that you’ve been beaten by your boyfriends is central to my point.
I was going to write an Alkon-style post pointing out that Mayor Calvo’s dogs were also the victims of their own poor lifestyle choices, but I’ve decided that life is too short. It’s a nice day. I think I’ll go walk my own dogs.
Someone should write an Alkon-style post pointing out that Tarika’s mother was to blame for not keeping her legs shut and giving birth to Tarika in such an undesirable neighborhood. That goes for her all of her family and her children’s grandparents, etc. etc.
If these people just didn’t exist, the cops wouldn’t have to shoot at them, now would they?
Because if she hadn’t had children …. she would have been jetting around the world with Paris Hilton? What?
FYI – the most recent coach is quoting a Marie-Jon’ article (usually they’ve James Lewis).
the most recent Ruppert is quoting some PUMA named Melissa Mcewan.
Sarah, D.A.
One of the men’s rights-ers at Glenn Sacks has a question that I think your comments answered extremely well. I’m pointing him to them.
Crid — Melissa McEwan isn’t a PUMA.
Au contraire mon frere. It is the same lesson we draw from the lives of the people who died on Septmeber 11, at Virginia Tech, after Hurricane Katrina (to name a few):
There is no death, no matter how awful and pointless, that it will stop some complete goat blower from spitting out the goat’s dick long enough to bleat “IT’S ALL THEIR FAULT!” before they go back to servicing the goat.
I did forget to take the anecdata into account.
Djur-
Nah, I am. It’s nice to surround myself with ratfuckers. They tell me how smart I am, so pretty, so pretty…
[Clif adds: This isn’t Melissa McEwan but is instead a troll impersonating her.]
Could you folks point me to the thread here where you excoriate Duke University, its faculty, the major news networks, and Mike Nifong for subjecting several men to needless hours of stress, public humiliation, and expense?
I’d be really interested in reading the poster’s responses / thoughts on things like false accusations.
I’d also like to know how people here feel about the men who end up dead because of “child support” raids and the like.
Because I see a lot of finger pointing, name calling, and the like…but precious little balance or openness in the viewpoints expressed here.
Ugh!
I was prepared to engage asshole in respectful debate. I think he left because of the shouting match you people had this morning. To be clear, by “you people” I mean white people who need to get a life rather than post comments on some half-assed blog like me.
(snark off)
Whatever, to all assholes and non assholes alike.
Hypothetical woman #1 (assume away!)
Raised in an upper middle-class family, went to mid-level college and graduated with a sociology degree or something. Daddy gets her a job with PJ media or other wingnut welfare company. Thin-skinned yet horse-faced, libertarian yet fascist. [Any resemblance to Amy Alcon is intentionaly coincidental]
Hypothetical woman #2 (Not Tamika because I don’t know her story)
Absent father, drug addict mother, raised in foster care, maybe raped as a child, rebelled as a teen, who wouldn’t, used drugs, slept around, had babies because either thought it would keep dad around or because all infants love their mom unconditionally. Nobody else ever really cared about her her whole life. Surprisingly, this hypothetical person was drug free and had applied to college. I would call her a survivor if she wasn’t dead.
If woman # 1 had lived the life of woman #2, she would have killed herself a long time ago. This character opinion is based solely on documented writings of one Amy Alcon. (Oh God, I pray there is only one of her)
It was a tragedy when the accused Duke students were killed by the police. It would be wrong of anyone to blame them for their senseless deaths.
Factory, I’d like to see your posts warning about the dangerous machinations of Philip II of Macedon, your rebuttal to the inhumane Dred Scott decision, and your condemnation of Saddam Hussein — written during the Iran-Iraq war, not later when he was an official enemy.
Jeez, “needless hours of stress”? That’s pretty much up there with being shot to death, yeah.
In all seriousness, this blog is not half-ass. It is at least three quarter ass.
(applause) Thank you, I’ll be here all evening. Try the fish.
Wow.
Mrs. Instarube claims the quality of the debate goes down when Sadly, No commenters arrive? that person Marquis, presenting the Sadly, No side, is lucid, detailed, and thoughtful. Meanwhile, the Mrs. Instarube sycophants are angry, incoherent, and clearly unstable.
These people are fucking nuts. They truly are.
You are correct Charles, or should I call you Mr Obvious.
It seems that way, but his “name” is “Marquis de Chocula”. You can tell he’s a fundamentally unserious person who is just putting on a reasonable face for now. It’s the typical liberal fascist plan:
1) Present reasonable, cogent arguments in a civil manner, while refusing to respond emotionally to obvious bait.
2) um …
3) Reveal true self as a fascist — since we have listened to what you had to say and it sounds reasonable, we cannot defend ourselves when you metaphorically force-feed us castor oil. Profit.
Yes. What Charles Giacometti said, exactly.
Dr. Helen blames Sadly Noers for the likes of that Pete/Gonz person? That guy is one Michael Savage book away from shooting up a mall.
“Why is a sample size of fucking ONE being used by Alkon to clumsily
and mostly incorrectly explain complex, larger trends?”
Because she knows her audience.
That Pete/Gonz guy is a real piece of work.
And by “work” I mean “dog shit”.
And by “piece” I mean “moat”.
And by “real” I mean “metaphorical”. Or the converse of that, whatever it is.
Could you folks point me to the thread here where you excoriate Duke University,
If only someone would provide a web service that indexed web pages and allowed one to search them by key-words.
Such a service would be impossible — I mean, who has the time to moderate their own blog comments, much go around the whole internet indexing web pages?
Why has nobody mined this thread?
Amy Alkon: Fartyr
Amy Alkon: Victibitionist
Amy Alkon: Martyrbator
Amy Alkon: Sacrificial Ham
Amy Alkon: Fauxpressed
Amy Alkon: Saint Moan of Arc
Amy Alkon: Clowntrodden
FYWP.
Ok, Ok, Ok, Alkon has been bugging me and bugging me. What’s the combination she brings to mind? I have finally settled on it, based on the picture above.
Carrot Top and Lilith Crane.
Factory asked:
“I’d also like to know how people here feel about the men who end up dead because of “child support” raids and the like.”
Wow. That would really suck if it happened. Has it ever happened? I mean, I don’t know how much a dead guy can pay in child support, and it would seem pretty weird that the swat team would raid a house to get the guy to pay up when they can just garnish his wages. But I’m not very up on the wingnut news, so I could have missed this epidemic of dead beat dad killings by the cops.
“I’d be really interested in reading the poster’s responses / thoughts on things like false accusations.”
I’m going to go out on a limb here and hypothesize that most of the commenters here are anti-false accusations.
Wrong, sarah. I, for one, have the balls to accuse people falsely.
Or, rather, we, for two, do.
Woo! Six words, four commas!
If only someone would provide a web service that indexed web pages and allowed one to search them by key-words.
I took a programming class some time ago (well, quite a few years ago), and have been looking for a reason to get back into it.
This just might be that reason. Time to dust off my copy of “Introduction to Programming in QuickBasic.” I just need to find those floppies…
“I’d be really interested in reading the poster’s responses / thoughts on things like false accusations.”
Aw, did some rich pampered Duke “gentlemen” (and I use the term very loosely) get inconvenienced by false accusations? That’s so very sad. So much sadder than a young woman being executed by the State for the crime of not hitting the floor quick enough.
And by Ms. Alkon’s own arguments, those Duke boys would never had any problems had they not put themselves in that situation. Had they not been putting litters of dollar bills into stripper g-strings they would have had nothing to fear from the police.
Also, if those Duke boys had gotten over the county line faster, possibly by jumping their souped-up car over a creek, they would have had nothing to fear from the police.
Now here’s a good advice columnist:
http://joshreads.com/?p=1683
Journeyman Softheart writing on Comics Curmudgeon:
Journeyman Softheart writing on Comics Curmudgeon (joshreads dot com):
Also, if those Duke boys had gotten over the county line faster, possibly by jumping their souped-up car over a creek, they would have had nothing to fear from the police.
A’ coo-coo-coo-coo l’il buddy!
The Duke case, while apparently chosen as a tu quoque against us race-traitor lefties, is pretty instructive as a comparison: the falsely accused students were acquitted, not gunned down in their homes; the prosecutor was disbarred and is apparently trying to declare bankruptcy to protect himself from a ruinous lawsuit he will most certainly lose; no children were maimed; heck, no dogs were killed.
In short…Mary Worth is “Dr.” Laura. And so is Amy Alkon, but minus the diploma-mill doctorate.
And so is Amy Alkon, but minus the diploma-mill doctorate.
I’ll have you know that Amy reads all doctorate-level literature in everything to do with advice goddessing. Not that it helps.
Shorter this thread: Alkon = McArdle.
BTW, did nobody get the Ween allusion in the title of the original Shit Moat post?
I assumed it was some terrible Kinks reference, so via Amy logic, NOBODY got it.
And in fact it was fascist on its face, anyway, so good riddance to bad rubbish and tiny-dicked trolls.
The funny thing is, though, I thought of the Kinks after I wrote the headline, but it was in truth an homage to ‘Poop Ship Destroyer’ …
I was thinking Ween’s “You Were the Fool”
you can build a boat sail the sea
you can buy a moat forge a key
initiate the sequence create catastrophe
Man, that headline is WAAAAY more versatile than I intended, Clif …
No way was that planned: the great writers just can’t help making multi-layered poop jokes.
There are artifacts of strains of corn in our poop jokes that Monsanto’s top engineers haven’t even imagined yet …
PS Alkon is DESPERATELY trying to get us to keep fighting this Blog WAR (check her latest couple posts) … it is to laugh.
Amy Alkon invitational post. Whichever group of idiots – hers or ours – posts more garbage wins.
And FUCK YOU HAMSTERS!
But the upshot is that the result of Sadly-Alkon WWI has been 1.5x less babies born into single-parent homes … so yay for us
god bless us everyone we are doing the work of the baby jesus
Jesus pooped.
Poopt?
Google: ‘Overkill: The Rise of Paramilitary Police Raids in America’ By Radley Balko. A CATO Institute white paper.
…and they don’t give a rip about your voter registration card, red state/blue state or which party controls your town council.
Black democrat mayors are doing it to their black voters, too. White police departments are doing it to white mayors. Party affiliation simply doesn’t matter. Race doesn’t matter. That’s meaningless. It’s about power. It’s about fear and control.
Bed
(check her latest couple posts)
Oh dear. The “Am I Right or Wrong” post – the comments are… interesting. I hope she is comfortable with Right Blogistan – because that comment thread is about two or three posts short of being an RNC mailing.
Although, this does bode well for future somedy gold…
Man, they were right. comedy is hard, it’s even hard to tpyenigs crroxtlyyy.
You’re trying to catch up to the Zombie Thread. You will fail.
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Doctorb, glad to see you’re reading the Curmudgeon. Now, I’m not a sock puppet, but I urge you to check out the comments of that great “Muffaroo” character. The guy really knows his stuff! Not that I’m him, or anything.
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Asshole: “Amy Aikon is a god!” See? There’s something we all agree on — not a goddess!
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