Sometimes shorters merely capture the essence of the mangoes. The penumbras and emanations, if you will. Other times they’re literally just shorter versions of the OP. Here’s Whelan:

I will note that Schuham and McGowan are only two of seven DOJ attorneys on the brief—and apparently the two most junior—so I don’t want to overstate their possible influence. That said, I’ll also note that just as I didn’t undertake any independent research on the relevant ideological commitments of Schuham and McGowan (I’ve just verified what readers have passed along), I haven’t done so with respect to any of the other DOJ attorneys. So I don’t know whether information about them would be reinforcing or countervailing[.]

So Whelan’s post isn’t actually about anything, except the horrors of gays existing in public life. What a dick.

He actually looks younger and more vital as Freddie.

Must not swim nude to pick mangoes . . . oh, God! I got it all over me!

A reader passes along that Schuham’s same-sex partner is (or, at least as of the 2009 White House Easter Egg Roll, was) Chris Anders, federal policy director for the ACLU’s LGBT Rights project.

Another of the attorneys on the DOJ brief is Sharon M. McGowan. As another reader calls to my attention, McGowan was also a staffer on the ACLU’s LGBT Rights project, and the New York Times announced last year her same-sex marriage to the Family Equality Council’s “federal lobbyist on gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender family issues.”

Gay people are marrying other gay people! The shock, the horror, the . . . . wait, what?

Pajamas Media’s remarkable series of articles exposing the politicized hiring of career attorneys by DOJ’s Civil Rights Division

They hired experienced civil rights lawyers who are firm believers in civil rights in the Civil Rights Division? WOW! Will Obama’s politicized hiring never cease?!! Bush NEVER would have politicized the DOJ!

it may well be that the Obama DOJ’s hostility to the ministerial exemption in the Hosanna-Tabor case is part and parcel of a broader ideological agenda that would have gay causes trump religious liberty.

Wow, so the Civil Rights Division argues that gay folks’ civil rights trump your personal squicking? NO WAY!

Wikipedia on author of PJM article: Opposition to the nomination [of Hans von Spakovsky] was bolstered by objections from career Justice Department staff, who accused von Spakovsky of politicizing his nominally non-partisan office to an unprecedented degree.
…
A group of career Justice Department staff wrote a letter to the Senate arguing against von Spakovsky’s appointment, saying that he “played a major role in the implementation of practices which injected partisan political factors into decision-making on enforcement matters and into the hiring process, and included repeated efforts to intimidate career staff.”

Heh. I guess he knows from politicization.

Sadly, Obama’s D.O.J. for the most part is Bush’s D.O.J.

Having given the Bush war criminals a pass, they’re spending their time going after whistle-blowers.
~

Bush NEVER would have politicized the DOJ!

Heh. I know, right.

Bush’s contribution to the DOJ, I believe, was stuffing the Civil Rights Division with Christian fundamentalists, who shifted the Division’s focus away from protecting the civil rights of minority groups, and towards protecting the proselytism of evangelical groups.

Having won the presidency thanks to a massive purge of black people from the Florida voter rolls, I can understand why he wouldn’t want anyone enforcing their rights. After all, he had another election to win.

Even shorter Ed Whelan: Why can’t all gay people be like B. Daniel Blatt?

Ok, I jumped off the boat for a quick one. It is a quick read. I had to read this paragraph about three times because, well it didn’t make much sense to me, its something he clipped from the paradigm of deep thought, Pajamas Media:

“Mr. Schuham is another newly hired deputy chief in the Employment Section, and easily rates as one of the more radical attorneys to join the Division during Eric Holder’s reign. For seven years prior to coming to DOJ, Mr. Schuham worked as the legislative director for Americans United for Separation of Church and State, an organization that seeks to eradicate any vestige of faith or religion in the public sphere. The very idea that the Obama administration would put the former legislative director of this organization in charge of enforcing the prohibition against religious discrimination in the Civil Rights Act is offensive.”

Ok, the guy is committed to preserving the tenor and interpretation of the 1st amendment and that is offensive?

What is truly offensive is that this pea-brain goes about publishing the names of those who are gay and married at the DOJ, thus intentionally making them vulnerable to personal attacks. Which I’m sure was his intent.

Which should put into question, beyond everything else, his fitness to practice law on any level.

Wait so you’re telling me that gay people don’t just sit at home having teh buttsecks? I am shocked… I guess not everyone can sit around writing articles about people they hate because they’re wretched motherfuckers.

Always. Trust. The. Shorter.™

So let me pick on his picture.

Freddy Krueger must be spinning in his grave.

I’m confused: since when have religious rights trumped the simple right of any human to have a fucking job?

“an organization that seeks to eradicate any vestige of faith or religion in the public sphere.”

How come this is offensive? Does Whelan want SHARIA LAW coming to America. He should be investigated for his anti-American views. Or something.

Wasn’t he the kneejerk who outted Publius?

I’m a-thinking people’s private lives are still fodder for his gossip column.

Wasn’t he the kneejerk who outted Publius?

Yes. Publius said Whelan’s posts for NRO in regards to Harold Koh were hackish propaganda not reflective of Whelan’s talents or training. Whelan got pissed. To his credit he apologized, seemingly genuinely, and was mocked for such faggishness by no-account stooges.

OMFG a civil rights attorney being appointed to a position in the Civil Rights division of the DOJ!! What could be more insidious!!

Someone should tell this fucking assclown that Thurgood Marshall represented the NAACP before being appointed Solicitor General of the United States and then being nominated to the Supreme Court.

There’s something to be said for someone who has no problem outing people… who are already out? As if it were some kind of “news”. It’s really aggrivating that this stooge has a job and I don’t.

OMFG a civil rights attorney being appointed to a position in the Civil Rights division of the DOJ!! What could be more insidious!!

A labor lawyer being appointed to the NLRB. Those seats are reserved for pro-growth counsels for the Chamber of Commerce!

Like Ed doesn’t know there are many gay men desperately fighting against marriage equality.

Background. The case that has Whelan all het up is Hosanna-Tabor Evangelical Lutheran Church and School v. EEOC. It’s a bit complicated so bear with me – I’m also condensing and leaving parts out, so do your own reading if you’d like. Also too, teh primary consideration is something called ministerial exception – which is a textbook example of judicial activism.

Hosanna-Tabor(H-T) hired one Cheryl Perich as a lay teacher for their school teaching regular curriculum. After a year, they commissioned her as a minister in the Church so that she could be a called teacher, i.e. one that also led prayers and chapel services. After four years as a called teacher, Perich developed narcolepsy and took leave from her job. While she was off, H-T hired a replacement teacher on contract (most likely a lay teacher, but I haven’t found confirmation for this).

Shortly after that point, Perich informed H-T that she was ready to return to work. H-T told her that they couldn’t take her back until the replacement’s contract was up in the next year. She returned anyways. The principal told her to go. She threatened to sue. The principal said something along teh lines of “OMG! Ministers don’t sue! You can’t air teh Church’s dirty laundry in public! Take it up with teh Synod.” Perich repeated the threat.

They fired her.

The EEOC suit is for firing her. The claim is that the firing was retaliation for invoking against her ADA rights. The current issue at hand is that the Church is claiming that she wasn’t fired in retaliation – she was fired for religious purposes under the “ministerial exception.”

So yeah, teh Church is basically claiming that ministers do not have employment protections under any laws because of “ministerial exception”. A number of entities including Obama’s Fabulous Department of Ghey Justice (formerly teh Blackity Black Department of Black Thuggery Justice) think that this ain’t right.

Anyways, Whelan’s issue is that teh FDoGJ is challenging not whether or Perich was a minister, but whether or not “ministerial exception” can be used as a defense for retaliatory firings. Whelan whines that teh FDoGJ (and I quote) disputes the general existence of the ministerial exception. It does nothing of the sort. Here I quote again, from the actual brief itself:

amici recognize that an appro-priately tailored ministerial exception preserves the independence of America’s religious communities. As they are with other exemptions, however, amici are concerned that the ministerial exemption not be applied more broadly than necessary to protect reli-gious freedom. When used to justify discrimination unconnected to a religious institution’s religious be-liefs, the ministerial exception undermines anti-discrimination law without a corresponding benefit to religious liberty.

So TLDR version – Whelan’s issue is not that teh FDoGJ thinks ministerial exception should be abolished, because FDoGJ clearly thinks nothing of the sort. Whelan’s issue is that teh FDoGJ thinks that there are any limits to teh judicial activist construct of “ministerial exception.”

GEEZ, Wall of Text much D-KW?

Shoter Some Wingnut Vietnam Vet:

In Memory of Thirty Warriors Lost in an Afghan Wasteland

Obama is a pussy.

When used to justify discrimination unconnected to a religious institution’s religious be-liefs, the ministerial exception undermines anti-discrimination law without a corresponding benefit to religious liberty.

So firing people for being gay is still okey fine because it *is* connected to religious belief, IOW Whelan et al are great big lying liars who lie.

To his credit he apologized, seemingly genuinely, and was mocked for such faggishness by no-account stooges.

If only others who would invade privacy were so adult and manly…

Exempting the minister.

lay teacher

early and often!

Gay people are marrying other gay people!
Not always.

Whelan’s issue is that teh FDoGJ thinks that there are any limits to teh judicial activist construct of “ministerial exception.”

And if they hadn’t challenged, watch each and every Fortune 500 company claim their employees are ministers, preaching the Gospel of ExxonMobil.

“Lay teacher”

Best summer in Hawaii evar.

TLDR version – Whelan’s issue is not that teh FDoGJ thinks ministerial exception should be abolished, because FDoGJ clearly thinks nothing of the sort. Whelan’s issue is that teh FDoGJ thinks that there are any limits to teh judicial activist construct of “ministerial exception.”

So this case is actually about a potential attack on workers’ rights, & not Islamohomos destroying Xtian Values with their Weaponized Gerbils Of DOOM?

Gee whillikers, I wonder which side the NRO hack will come down on?

Wall of Text much D-KW?

Don’t worry, I’m as guilty as anyone here on that score (see previous thread). I tend to bloviate (ehh, at least it’s typing practise, amirite?) whereas the above is very useful information that helps prove what a disingenuous dingleberry Ed “Lurch’s Love-Child” Whelan is.

” Gospel of ExxonMobil”

I believe in one Fuel. The Fossil and Almighty; maker of offshore havens and degregulations. I believe in one unholy and unapologetic business model.

“I’ve just verified what readers have passed along”

Ahh… The Jonah Goldberg research model.

That said, I’ll also note that just as I didn’t undertake any independent research on the relevant ideological commitments of Schuham and McGowan (I’ve just verified what readers have passed along), I haven’t done so with respect to any of the other DOJ attorneys. So I don’t know whether information about them would be reinforcing or countervailing[.]

good dog! is nro taken seriously by anyone? if so, i suggest we band together and form our own cabal where we write stuff we pull out of our asses and shamelessy beg for funding from our readers…

how does an entire *organization* get by with consistantly writing: ‘look, i didn’t do any research on this because i was too busy fapping to be bothered…just basing it on what a *reader* told me…but here, read these random words i was able to peck out one-handed…obama sux…lol!!!

i mean, really…wtf? the browns and the poors are the low life thieves….?

I believe in one Fuel. The Fossil and Almighty

How come the religious right don’t drive biofuel cars? I mean, you know, dinosaurs can’t have been in the ground long enough to produce petroleum in 6000 years therefore oil must be the devil’s work, yadayadayada…

“the browns and the poors are the low life thieves….?”

You are now a writer for NRO. Yes, it is that easy. Congrats.

Jonah Goldberg fact: he can recite all the ingredients in a Twinkie by heart.

So I don’t know whether information about them would be reinforcing or countervailing[.]

So basically, those two attorneys could be the only two gay attorneys in the entire DoJ, let’s say there are a thousand attorneys total….which means they UNDERrepresent the gay population of the US as a whole and this asshat is blowing smoke up his readers’ bums.

Right?

Jonah Goldberg fact: he can recite all the ingredients in a Twinkie by heart.

So can I

Sugar
Hydrogenated oil

Next?

You are now a writer for NRO. Yes, it is that easy. Congrats.

suuuuuuuuuuhweet! i’m off for a full day of fapping and cheetos! have fun *working* suckers!

Twinks: http://www.fooducate.com/blog/2010/06/11/a-visual-of-twinkies-37-ingredients/

Sorry im on my phone, can’t get my tag on without some serious aggravation.

You are now a writer for NRO. Yes, it is that easy. Congrats.

suuuuuuuuuuhweet! i’m off for a full day of fapping and cheetos! have fun *working* suckers!

Excuse me, but you still haven’t completed your quota of inane comments on lefty blogs.

You’ll need this (hands up butt cushion) and these (toothpicks for eyelids)

NOW GET TO WORK, SERF! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

” up his readers’ bums.”

It would be irresponsible not to speculate just what else he’s doing to his readers’ bums.

It would be irresponsible not to speculate just what else he’s doing to his readers’ bums.or shoving down their throats…

also, too…where’s preview?

He actually looks younger and more vital as Freddie.

And also less evil.

Heh–stupid conservative totally NOT gay guy doesn’t like the symbolism of gays working at the JUSTICE Department.

Fucking fascist needs to go eat a bowl of fuck.

Fucking fascist needs to go eat a bowl of fuck.

He’ll need the *special* creamer…

Including last night’s “debate”, it seems to me all wingnuts do is throw darts at an imaginary talking point dart board in their heads. Then when people say, “uh, WTF did you just say?” They respond by pointing at gays, Muslims or whatever boogeyman of the week they’re peddling is while screaming bloody murder.

” bowl of fuck”

Breakfast of chumps

Alternate shorter (assembled from the skins and seeds of the mangoes you all fetched):

Kw33rs who work are just another way the Homosexual Agenda shoves itself down our throats.

(I mean seriously, this assnugget is upset because he sort of knows for kind of a fact that a couple of gay people work for the DOJ? I could probably kill him just by telling him the number of people I know who work for various federal agencies. Some of them are also … BROWN!)

” bowl of fuck”

Breakfast of chumps

Hi! Jon Gosselin here, and when I need a quick meal in a hurry in the morning….

Sweet Jeebus on a downtown bus! Is Arky saying their are brown gheys working and living around us??

*sprints to ghey-free/white only bomb shelter*

Amerika in action.

I’m guessing the folks arrested won’t be getting a refund on their 15 bucks.

LOL LINKFAIL

Let’s try that again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Glzma7r-BOI&feature=colike

So can I

Sugar
Hydrogenated oil

Next?

I thought it was:

High Fructose Corn Syrup
Hydrogenated oil

I thought it was:

High Fructose Corn Syrup
Hydrogenated oil

Shhhhhhhhhhhh. This is America, HFC *is* “sugar”. Don’t tell anyone!

” bowl of fuck”

fucking the bowl…

I thought everyone knew that Twinkies were filled with whipped Nauga milk…

Wow Jim, thanks for that vid. That is a travesity. Honestly, I think ppl are starting to figure out what these so-called tea party reps are all about: lining their and their buddy’s pockets with high fructose corn syrip–in the parlance of our times.

What im nervous about is the fact that we’ve had a few NATURAL disasters (mind you the earthquake did nothing but stir my coffee) and batshitnuts are seriously preparing for the end times. Its creeping me the fuck out.

“Fucking the bowl”

That’s what jonah calls taking a poop.

Sweet Jeebus on a downtown bus! Is Arky saying their are brown gheys working and living around us??

Boo! Er … muthafucka.

It is a timeless question: where do you keep your gays? Roughly in the 1980’s standard closets in three bedroom homes originally designed to accommodate the needs of a husband, his wife, their 2.5 children and a dog and a cat, hat to be expanded.

Some homes now have very large closets, which consume inordinate percentages of the total square footage. It’s still not enough to hold all of our gays, though.

Worse still, the gays themselves are not only falling out of our closets, but are marrying and making closets all their own.

The typical closet keeps expanding, nonetheless. The closets in gay homes are inexplicably large. One can only imagine what horror will one day fall out of those!

John, closets are for clothes. Fabulous, fabulous clothes.

More proof that Obama himself is gay!!!!!!!

Sure enough, Obama turns up in the story, wearing “mandals,”

Mandals? Really…mandals? Men have been wearing sandals for as long as I can remember. Even back to the time of… Wait aminute. OH YOUR GOD!!! Jesus was gay!!!11!!!1

Blockquote tagfail. I ‘m it.

Still nothing on the assault on Arnold Alkon’s labia? I am disappoint.

Here.

More proof that Obama himself is gay!!!!!!!

omg…their perving over the miss universe contest is totally fine, but making up words about men is icky?!?!

why does powerline and donalde feel that their drooling hard-ons and posting soft porn pics on their sites is perfectly acceptable?

I like Hayward’s firm conviction that being a soft slob is the height of manliness.

Jesus was gay!!!11!!!1

Ya think? He was a confirmed bachelor who hung out with 12 dudes in a boys-only club. (Magdalene–TG or fag-hag? Needs moar research);

He went around talking about loving his neighbors and turning the other cheek;

Yeah, and the sandals thing? Oh yeah, totes gay.

Also, PL tech guy and Stanford Law student Joel Malchow asks:

Has any other president ever worn sandals in public?

You know what? I don’t know. Probably, but I just can’t say for sure. I thought about googling, but then decided not to. You know why? Because I don’t give a fuck.

(I mean seriously, this assnugget is upset because he sort of knows for kind of a fact that a couple of gay people work for the DOJ? I could probably kill him just by telling him the number of people I know who work for various federal agencies. Some of them are also … BROWN!)

Brown people are the employees of liberal fascism.

—

I wonder what Whelan wold think of The Mrs’ and my best friends — they’re lesbians, and one is in the military (she runs an “air hospital” and has been deployed about 7 times so far) and the other is an ordained minister (of the United Methodist variety).

Maybe I should send him an email with this info, as methinks his filled-with-nuclear-grade-stupid head would asplode.

WHERE THE FUCK IS THE PREVIEW FEATURE?!?!

FYWP. I mean, seriously, how hard is it to keep the hamsters fed?

” firm conviction”

That’s why they call Rick Perry “Crotch”.

Wheeee! Cited teh wrnog brief. Here’s teh FDoGJ one. And it is fabulous. Also, it does not demonstrate Whelan’s assertion that FDoGJ challenges the existence of “ministerial exception,” it does bettar than that. It contends that “ministerial exception” is irrelevant to the case.

Remember, the brief is filed by main Justice – and therefore addresses teh concerns of teh FDoGJ. A moar careful reading by somone with some knowledge of law would be prefer to random babbling from some guy on teh intartrons, but it looks liek teh brief actually addresses teh application of Federal Law and only that. Seems totes reasonable position for teh FDoGJ to be taking.

It’s main argument:
1. Federal law, MF’ers. Suck it. You want to challenge teh ADA, you are challenging a legislated Act of Congress. You overturn teh Sixth Circuit decision then you are overturning teh ADA.
2. Federal law, MF’ers. Free Expression does NOT include teh right to violate federal laws. (exact quote is “The Free Exercise Clause Does Not Forbid Application Of Neutral, Generally Applicable Laws That Incidentally Burden Religious Practice“)

There’s other bits, but specifically regarding Whelan’s complaint, beginning on page 48 the brief argues simply that ministerial exemption (and all other constitutional issues raised by civil rights laws regarding religious employers) be considered on a case by case basis. That teh Church does not have an automagic “Get Out Of Litigation Free” card just by claiming “ministerial exemption” or wev.

Shorter Fabulous Department of Ghey Justice:

Separation of Church and State does not mean that teh Church is immune to laws passed by teh State.

It is a timeless question: where do you keep your gays?

In front of teh webcam.

Has any other president ever worn sandals in public?

Ahhh … the conservative mindset. In which wearing sandals = TEH TOTES GHEY!! but kissing and/or holding hands with the Saudi King = MANLIEST PREZ EVAH!

(Sorry for links to articles instead of direct links to images — Google images is blocked at work for some strange reason.)

It is a timeless question: where do you keep your gays?

We keep ours in the halls of Congress.

” the assault on Arnold Alkon’s labia”

We’re gonna need moar SEALs.

But seriously, Arnold’s just pissed they found her cock. The suit will be thrown out once exhibit A is shown in court. And blurred on the news.

I sobbed even louder as the woman, FOUR TIMES, stuck the side of her gloved hand INTO my vagina, through my pants

Dear Penthouse,

I never thought it would happen to me, but…

Love
Arnold Alkon

Tintin, I ought to sue her for mixing me up with myself.

By the way, Arnold? Piece of advice: buy thicker fabric and wear underpants.

Boxers will be fine.

Has any other president ever worn sandals in public?

Worse than sandals

Faggityfaggyfagcrocs….

Has any other president ever worn sandals in public?

but dubs wearing crocs?!?!?

damn you, actor!

🙂

Why, bbkf, you need to work faster on your Google Fu…

With socks!

With socks!

Keep muh cat outta this!

” Boxers will be fine.”

How about a wetsuit, will that suffice?

How about a wetsuit, will that suffice?

Better make it two. Just in case. Oh, and a dildo in case the strap on falls out…

All this criticism is likely coming from a bunch of guys wearing Wrangler straight-leg jeans, a t-shirt tucked in over a fat gut, tennis shoes that are made to look like hiking boots and the worst haircut EVER.

This might explain why Teabaggers are getting all butthurt over stupid shit.

If they think Obama’s dress style is suspicious, I wonder what they’d think of a full on metrosexual like myself.

PS. I’m not terribly comfortable with the “Arnold” Alkon jokes. I understand the reference, and I know no one means any harm by it, but there are plenty of ways to insult her without also insulting trans people. Just my two cents.

I wonder what they’d think of a full on metrosexual like myself

Oh.

So that’s your excuse?

I understand the reference, and I know no one means any harm by it, but there are plenty of ways to insult her without also insulting trans people.

How is saying that a “woman” who dresses like a cheap drag queen insulting to crossdressers, since they’d be the first to pick on one of their own for dressing like “her”? I’ve never been clear on that.

I can’t wait for John to get to the next Miss World contest, or the next Miss-Anyone contest,…

Hilarious. Classic over-compensation. Now where’s my “man-ziere” I wanna go jogging?

This might explain why Teabaggers are getting all butthurt over stupid shit.

OT and all that, but teh media is ignoring teh hippies again. Cloth diapers are making a comeback – and teh new ones are pretty darned awesome. However, without teh souped-up crazy ultra absorbent chemicals in disposables, babby might end up wetter in cloth which theoretically could lead to moar diaper rash*.

We’re using cloth for Ultra Ninja. Mostly FuzziBunz, but we’ve got a handful of Bummis too. Note that going cloth should save you cash in teh long run, but requires a lot of upfront cost. Also, may vary depending on how much it costs you to run a load of laundry.

*At teh risk of TMI, Ultra Ninja has had a grand total of zero cases of diaper rash.

“These people I don’t agree with have worked for companies and causes I don’t agree with. Can you believe that?!”

If I discover some wingnut in the news, whose positions I don’t like, used to work for AEI or Heritage, I don’t start saying stupid shit like they are breaking some kind of law. I guess his complaint is that people with whom he disagrees also have the strength of their own convictions.

We’re using cloth for Ultra Ninja.

I sort of have an image of this guy when you say Ultra Ninja

I’ve never been clear on that.

You don’t have to be. That’s what privilege means.

I can try and explain by comparing calling effiminate d00ds “ghey” or masculine women “bulldykes” or wev – but it don’t make no nevermind. Anyways, teh underlying formulation of teh “joke” is “you are different from teh heteronormative standard and therefore not as worthy.” That’s a pretty shitty thing to say.

I can try and explain by comparing calling effiminate d00ds “ghey” or masculine women “bulldykes” or wev – but it don’t make no nevermind.

Nope. Sorry. That’s a false equivalence. And besides, it’s not like saying Ann Coulter has an Adam’s Apple.

“full on metrosexual”

Is that anything like going full reta… nevermind. Sorry, Trig.

Okay actor, wev. No one is denying you teh right to make whatever jokes you want – but we retain teh right to find some of teh jokes offensive, unfunny and cringe-inducing. And certainly there are some reactions to off-handed remarks made with no intent to harm or offended – wai overblown and need deflating. I agree with that too.

Anyways, if you’re at all interested in why some people might take offense to teh use of denigrating Alkon by accusing her of being trans. I guess it’s teh simple fact that you are using “cross-dressing” as a slur. One bad enough that it’s appropriate to level at a piece of filth like Amy Alkon. Or, as I said before, that you are using teh basic formulation of “different = bad”.

OTOH, I am still going to make puerile and offensive slut-shaming jokes with extra looksist condescension about your mom – so glass houses and so on.

I guess it’s teh simple fact that you are using “cross-dressing” as a slur.

Not at all. I’m using BAD cross-dressing as a slur. A very big difference.

Sorry about the Amy/Arnold has a p3n1s joke… I apologize didn’t meant to offend. Just tried, poorly, to say she’s as ugly on the outside as she is on the inside.

My bust.

” A very big difference.”

VPR? I hope so; for your sake, actor.

Not at all. I’m using BAD cross-dressing as a slur. A very big difference.

Hey if you are trying to say she dresses in the dark, from clothes chosen at random from a pile that goodwill couldn’t quite accept, you can say that without mentioning cross-dressing.

Hey if you are trying to say she dresses in the dark, from clothes chosen at random from a pile that goodwill couldn’t quite accept, you can say that without mentioning cross-dressing.

No, I’m saying she dresses with the lights on.

A very big difference.

And therefore no one is allowed to be offended? It’s a very big difference for you, but you don’t think other people might see it as a minor nuance that you are using to justify categorizing cross-dressers as less worthy than average? Okay.

FWIW, I’m already uncomfortable with teh amount of concern-trollery I’ve spewed on this point so it’s not like I disagree with you all that strongly. I’m just trying to explain why I think some people might be uncomfortable with teh “joke”.

” A very big difference.”

VPR? I hope so; for your sake, actor.

I have never accused Arnold of having a penis.

It’s a very big difference for you, but you don’t think other people might see it as a minor nuance that you are using to justify categorizing cross-dressers as less worthy than average?

So that means we should lay off Jonah’s weight, or K-Lo, um, dwarfish stature, or Whelan’s resemblance to Freddy Krueger, because, you know, someone might have been stabbed by a copy cat or eaten by a whale or stalked by a desperate virgin.

Really. Where shall we draw the line? Atheists, help me out here. Should you stop making fun of Christians because the majority of us are Christian?

Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

” I have never accused Arnold of having a penis.”

Shit. That was me. Again. Sorry about that. I haven’t participated in a thread in a long while and this how I act? I need to be assaulted by a TSA agent–withOUT gloves.

I sort of have an image of this guy when you say Ultra Ninja

She’s pretty tall for her age, but not that tall.

FWIW, I’m already uncomfortable with teh amount of concern-trollery I’ve spewed on this point so it’s not like I disagree with you all that strongly. I’m just trying to explain why I think some people might be uncomfortable with teh “joke”.

Yea, and I’m not taking it personally.

My point is, it’s a comedy blog with sharp elbows. There are distinctions to be made, to be sure, but the lines are blurry. I did ask for a clarification. While I’m still not seeing it, I do try to temper my reactions to Arnold in the first place (mostly because she already thinks Tintin Isreal)

“Atheists, help me out here.”

The only thing we can help you with is expediting your trip to Hell.

Ricky Gervaise had a great comment about this very ting:

always expect some people to be offended. I know I ruffle feathers but some people’s feathers need a little ruffling. And remember: just because someone is offended doesn’t mean they’re in the right. Some people are offended by multiculturalism, homosexuality, abortion, atheism – what should we do? Ban all those things? You have the right to be offended, and I have the right to offend you. But no one has the right to never be offended.

By all means, I think we should continue to use offensive terminology, sexism, looksism, racism, and every other offensive tool in our toolboxes*. One of the best thinkgs about S,N! is the complete disregard for restraints on behavior none of us would engage in IRL. Anyone who gets they panties bunched up about it can go back to Shakesville, where they’ll ban your ass if you so much as snicker at a fat joke.

*sure, why not!

Really. Where shall we draw the line?

Everyone draws their line wherever they want. No really, go ahead and poke fun of Alkon any way you want. But some people are going to think you’re an asshole for it. Anyways, why should you care about that? On a list of people who don’t need no stinking approval from others, you are pretty high up on teh list. I don’t mean that as a bad thing – I actually do admire your self-confidance. Although I will deny ever admitting it.

Anyways, looked to me like you asked. You said you didn’t get why people found the “joke” offensive. I’ve tried to present a reasonable explanation. You don’t have to agree with that explanation, or with any other explanation anyone else might offer. BUT moar importantly, just like you don’t have to care why they are offended, they don’t have to care that you don’t understand.

“Lay off Jonah’s weight”

Fat fucking chance.

How’s the weather under that bridge, DKW?

How’s the weather under that bridge, DKW?

You could ask your mom.

I’m not trying to ban anything. I just said it made me uncomfortable.

To me, humour is about humbling the powerful. Shitting on already oppressed groups is the right wing’s idea of humour. “Lol! That guy’s a faggoty queer!”

Look, I know that this isn’t a case of directly shitting on the marginalised. There’s nuance in this particular situation, I understand that. I’m not calling anyone here a bigot or a wingnut or anything. But please understand me when I say that sort of thing takes me out of the joking context. It just sort of saps teh funny out of the thread (once again, for me).

I just think there are ways of mocking Alkon that doesn’t have any unintentional blowback for people on our side.

“You could ask your mom.”

Oh, its delightful. But I could use some more Colt 45.

I’m not trying to ban anything. I just said it made me uncomfortable.

But don’t you find it interesting that inevitably when Alkon is mentioned, the “don’t offend” lines pop up, but never for anyone else?

I mean, there are people who are morbidly obese but when Jonah’s head rears up, people don’t get all “fatist”…occasionally we’ll have lookist comments, but usually as a general point, so K-Lo gets a pass on being defended. And when people were all over the Larry Craig story, no one pointed out that, indeed, some gay men have to resort to places like men’s bathrooms so maybe we ought to cut the man some slack.

But mention Arnold Alkon, and like clockwork (and this is not pointedly at you, you just happened to be the one to bring it up this time) someone mentions the whole “offending” thing.

And that sort of has me curious, is all.

You said you didn’t get why people found the “joke” offensive. I’ve tried to present a reasonable explanation.

You’re right, you did and thanks.

OT – Teh NYTimes has managed to piss me off moar than they did with teh planned Bill Keller “fucking hippies are dirty fucking bastards” op-ed for teh MOST IMPORTANT ANNIVERSARY EVAR.

Fucking Tommy Friedman. Fuck You Tommy Friedman. His retrospective not only contains no mention of Iraq or War – it’s about teh fucking PRICE OF GASOLINE. OMFG. And it’s called The Whole Truth and Nothing But.

Fuck.

people who are morbidly obese

By the way, how IS your mom, D-KW?

Can you remember the last time you felt a national leader looked us in the eye and told us there is no easy solution to our major problems, that we’ve gotten into this mess by being self-indulgent or ideologically fixated over two decades and that now we need to spend the next five years rolling up our sleeves, possibly accepting a lower living standard and making up for our excesses?

Yes. And Ronald Reagan clobbered him in the 1980 election, mostly by lying through his teeth, Tommy. You might remember?

Shorter Tommy Friedman

Teh worst part about 9-11 is that gas prices are so high now. If only people had listened to rational calm centrists like me, we’d be so much bettar off.

Fucking Tommy Friedman. Fuck You Tommy Friedman. His retrospective not only contains no mention of Iraq or War – it’s about teh fucking PRICE OF GASOLINE. OMFG. And it’s called The Whole Truth and Nothing But.

I don’t think that’s quite fair, he does, barely and disingenuously, mention the war, mostly as a segue into a complaint about ‘entitlements’.

George W. Bush did the opposite. He used 9/11 as an excuse to lower taxes, to start two wars that — for the first time in our history — were not paid for by tax increases, and to create a costly new entitlement in Medicare prescription drugs. Imagine where we’d be today if on the morning of 9/12 Bush had announced (as some of us advocated) a “Patriot Tax” of $1 per gallon of gas to pay for education, infrastructure and government research, to help finance our wars and to slash our dependence on Middle East oil. Gasoline in the U.S. on Sept. 11, 2001, averaged $1.66 a gallon.

Of course he still wilfully misunterstands the history of the last decade in a mendacious attempt to push the standard conservative agenda, but to be fair Fuck Tommy Friedman, and in conclusion, Fuck Tommy Friedman.

Imagine where we’d be today if on the morning of 9/12 Bush had announced (as some of us advocated) a “Patriot Tax” of $1 per gallon of gas to pay for education, infrastructure and government research, to help finance our wars and to slash our dependence on Middle East oil.

Even if he somehow stopped picking the crust off his underwear long enough to realize what a good idea this might have been, he would have followed up by encouraging Americans to consume more fuel because it’s the patriotic thing to do.

So basically, we’d pretty much be where we are right now.

So basically, we’d pretty much be where we are right now.

They hell we would. He would have used that extra money to buy even more war. If you can buy war on margin like you can with stocks, he would have bought ten times more war.

I have really conflicted feelings about looksist jokes. On the one hand, I occasionally enjoy making them. On the other hand, I prefer not to be thought of as a giant asshole.

It’s tough. Because making mean jokes about wingnuts is like turning a pressure valve for me…but I do think there’s a fair amount of privilege involved in my making those jokes…so…I dunno…

I don’t think that’s quite fair, he does, barely and disingenuously, mention the war, mostly as a segue into a complaint about ‘entitlements’.

Oh my. Worse than I thought. You know, pretending that there was no endless stream of Friedman Units of Freedom Bombing is one thing, but mentioning teh wars for their impact on teh deficit? FFfffFFffuuuuuUUUuukcccjhckkccckkk.

OT: Michael Savage has apparently written a book that makes Beck’s look like Shakespeare. I think Media Matters did a review…

If you can buy war on margin like you can with stocks, he would have bought ten times more war.

Yea, but then Goldman Sachs would have shorted war then packaged the wars as collateralized debt securities and we’d be in the same place we are now.

OT: Michael Savage has apparently written a book that makes Beck’s look like Shakespeare. I think Media Matters did a review…

link

Joe. My. God.

Y’know, I can almost picture Savage, toupee off, laying in bed in a yellowing wife-beater T shirt and stained robin’s egg blue boxer shorts, fapping in front of his laptop thinking about how he’s gonna get over on them Limey bastards….

On the other hand, I prefer not to be thought of as a giant asshole.

others here have no such compunction.

•In real life, Savage has a beloved poodle named Teddy.

Whoa. I did not know this.

Yea, but then Goldman Sachs would have shorted war then packaged the wars as collateralized debt securities and we’d be in the same place we are now.

Oh. I was trying to say we’d be in a worse place with the world in flames, and maybe radioactive too. And the budget would be a fucking mess.

We’re using cloth for Ultra Ninja. Mostly FuzziBunz, but we’ve got a handful of Bummis too. Note that going cloth should save you cash in teh long run, but requires a lot of upfront cost. Also, may vary depending on how much it costs you to run a load of laundry.

As I recall (it was a while ago now), we ran the numbers and both in terms of cost and environmental impact, cloth and disposable diapers came out pretty much a wash (heh).

We came down on the side of cloth because I have issues with leaving my shit around for the next ten thousand years, but I don’t think it was a slam-dunk decision by any means.

Regarding Amy Alkon, as awful as she is, I was surprised that nobody took issue with the cringe-inducing references to her labia in yesterday’s comments. Again, there’s plenty from her own mouth and pen with which to hang her, why bother with her lady parts?

But that’s just me.

On the other hand, I prefer not to be thought of as a giant asshole.

others here have no such compunction.

Yea and it would be great if you stopped posting goatse.

I was surprised that nobody took issue with the cringe-inducing references to her labia in yesterday’s comments.

It’s fiction, so why bother?

Oh snap! He did not!

I was trying to say we’d be in a worse place with the world in flames, and maybe radioactive too. And the budget would be a fucking mess.

The bombs haven’t started falling yet. Give it time, my friend.

So, am I the only one who sees a slight difference between using someone’s supposed resemblance to a trans person as an insult, and, say, pointing out that Jonah Goldberg is a greasy slob who doesn’t know how to dress himself, or that Althouse is a drunk?

Maybe if our society’s messages about transsexuals weren’t limited to human jokes, disgusting perverts or, if they’re treated sympathetically at all, murder victims on crime shows, I’d be a little more comfortable with tranny jokes.

Imagine where we’d be today if on the morning of 9/12 Bush had announced (as some of us advocated) a “Patriot Tax” of $1 per gallon of gas to pay for education, infrastructure and government research, to help finance our wars and to slash our dependence on Middle East oil.

I can’t imagine Bush doing (or perhaps I should say being allowed to do) anything like that. I obviously need the type of quality drugs to which Mr Friedman has access.

Amy Alkon is moving up in the world. She’s on Alex Jones complain she was raped by the TSA.

So, am I the only one who sees a slight difference between using someone’s supposed resemblance to a trans person as an insult, and, say, pointing out that Jonah Goldberg is a greasy slob who doesn’t know how to dress himself, or that Althouse is a drunk?

That depends. Do you know for a fact why Jonah is fat? Or Althouse is a drunk? What if that’s how they were born?

Which was sort of my point: if we’re going to set standards, we ought to make sure we’ve covered all the bases, or none.

OT: Does anybody else think (Longshot of the century presidential candidate) Gary Johnson sounds a little like Snagglepuss?

She’s on Alex Jones complain she was raped by the TSA.

Oh, the Original Truther.

I’d be a little more comfortable with tranny jokes

If I knew a good mechanic?

“Has any other president ever worn sandals in public?”

Franklin D. Roosevelt? (what, too soon?)

“I’d be a little more comfortable with tranny jokes”

As an actual tranny who sometimes comments here I am not offended, not too much. Why? I’m not sure, I guess because I know that people too mean spirited and because, well, if you’re *really* funny I can forgive a lot.

Besides, you’re just boys. It’s not like you’re important or anything. 😉

(ok that’s not true. I read SN when everything else is too heavy and I need some comic relief from some truly smart libs)

“that people are not too mean spirited”

Preview please?

Y’know, the whole Alkon incident in the airport seems off. I’m betting when the TSA agent has her say, that it’ll turn out that Alkon started mouthing off about being forced to go through the scanner, so they offered the pat down and then she got her usual thin-skin on.

I’m not a psychologist but that…person…has some serious issues with paranoia and personality disorders.

I figure the big fucking piece of salami she must have been carrying has something to do with the TSA search.

Alkon started mouthing off about being forced to go through the scanner

It seems that scanners are no longer ghostly porn machines anymore so if that turns out to be the case, Alkon mustn’t have had much to write about recently. Well, at least less than usual.

if that turns out to be the case, Alkon mustn’t have had much to write about recently.

She’d rail about the radiation risk, no doubt.

She’d rail about the radiation risk, no doubt.

The alien parasites in her skull are very sensitive to x-rays.

The alien parasites in her skull are very sensitive to x-rays.

I thought she said she was Thetan clear?

Maybe it was Claritin clear. I don’t hear so good no more.

She’d rail about the radiation risk,

Well if you ask those stupid sciency people, they say that ain’t much of a problem either.

Don’t feel like clicking? The doc said:

“The radiation exposure is pretty darn small,” she said. “You’d have to go through the scanner 200,000 times to get the dose of one CT scan.”

Also, too:

They found that of those 1 million frequent fliers, 600 cancers could be associated with radiation received from flying so close to the sun, and four cancers could stem from the scanner

The sun will be hearing from my lawyer.

“The alien parasites in her skull are very sensitive to x-rays.”

She was on her way to an evolutionary psychology conference so you’d think she’d understand.

So many idiots think “religious freedom” means the “freedom to impose their religious beliefs on everyone else, though never conforming to Other’s beliefs, even to be polite.”

She was on her way to an evolutionaryelementary psychology conference so you’d think she’d understand.

Fix’t err right up!

also, too…where’s preview?

I’m wondering too. Important for folks who are prone to tag-fails.

Fuck you fuck you fuck you WP.

OT but RICK PERRY’S A BIG BULLY MEANY FACE!

She was on her way to an evolutionary psychology conference so you’d think she’d understand.

Talk about “the beam in her eye”…

Tee hee! I love the one with Huntsman in the middle.

OT but RICK PERRY’S A BIG BULLY MEANY FACE!

Considering he’d spent a lot of time getting rolled by the other dwarves….ooops…it’s kind of understandable that Grumpy would have a sour puss on during commercials.

“OT but RICK PERRY’S A BIG BULLY MEANY FACE!”

The far right Alex Jones idiots are convinced that Perry is a globalist Illuminati stooge who is stealing Ron Paul’s rightful crown. So they’ve been pretty agitated and have made some accusations about his questionable sexuality. (Everyone who succeeds against RP is a fag though.)

She’d rail about the radiation risk

Anyone worried about radiation shouldn’t be flying.

And Michael Savage = Gary Stu.

Tee hee! I love the one with Huntsman in the middle.

lolz me too. He’s totes thinking, “I’m the sanest one here and the least likely to win… I hav a sad.”

This too bothered me. You gotta be a heartless fuck to applause the death of someone… who may be FUCKING INNOCENT.

Oh gee, fuckwits demonizing me again. I am so surprised. Makes me wish I really did have sekrit ghey sooper powers.

FYWP – stop demonizing me!

I figure the big fucking piece of salami she must have been carrying has something to do with the TSA search.

AHEM!

Oh gee, fuckwits demonizing me again. I am so surprised. Makes me wish I really did have sekrit ghey sooper powers.

Oh sure, you just go ahead and stay in the super power closet, ya big chicken.

On the “offensiveness debate”, I’ll just say the usual. Everyone has the right to say whatever offensive shit they want and other people have the right to lose respect for them, think of them as assholes or speak out against them or even deny them platform for their speech on their locations, allowing them to be their charming selves on other parts of the web.

On the specifics of an “offensive joke”, i.e. a joke that punches down rather than up, using the usual slurs against the powerless to attack someone, the main problem is that they are unoriginal, lacking in creativity, and otherwise stupid. Oh, my, a woman has bad fashion sense, she must be a man. Let us now say nothing else but how she is a man. What exactly does this have to do with the main objections to her and how does it differ from any other tranny joke. I mean, said jokes are everywhere. Any woman who doesn’t fit a specific standard of beauty is accused to be a man and for a while any woman who tried to be in the public sphere and argue loudly was also viewed as a man. Using the joke is above any potential offensiveness, just fucking lazy, tired, and showing a complete lack of desire to make one’s comedic point in any interesting, on-target, or powerful way. It’s the problem with all the “stereotype” jokes, which is why there was so much effort to try and rebrand them as “daring” by arguing that people going “uh, huh, yeah, that was stupid, off-topic, and attacking a group that had nothing to do with it” was some huge attempt to ban all comedy.

But hey, everyone’s going to phone it in sometimes or have no problem looking like a lazy douchebag.

On the joke in specific. I think the biggest problem is the defense. I mean, really, what did any of that have to do with Amy Alkon or why she is offensive to our modern culture or the true origins of her many problems and psychoses? The why when you are explaining the why just isn’t there and I think that’s a bigger problem for its justification.

Does the joke bother me? Sometimes, sometimes not, it’s not really worth rising to everything all the time and I get that most of how it pulls me out is that I’m a brick transsexual myself so I get the whole “it’s ugly, it’s a man” on a more direct level, but hey, my issues, right? I tend to just scroll through them, because as I note above, the main problem is that they are unoriginal and add absolutely nothing except to let the regulars get out their share of tranny jokes for a bit.

On why does this get pushback whereas others do not, I’d have to note that you’ve been absent for awhile. X is fat or Y is a cunt jokes have gotten some good pushback lately and I don’t think I’ve encountered a good lookist thread that didn’t have some people noting their objections. Why this particular joke might get some extra pushback might just be the way that cultural evolution occurs. More people seeing transpeople as more human in culture, the fact that the “trans people are inhuman and disgusting” cultural myths have had nasty repercussions in our society that have been well-publicized of late, and so on. As I said, the other examples you used have gotten pushback. Honestly the “Arnold Alkon” jokes tend to get less pushback then “X is ugly” or “Y is fat” jokes in my opinion. But YMMV.

But yeah, serious post over.

I’d be a little more comfortable with tranny jokes
If I knew a good mechanic?

It’s ICE-CREAM!!

Is this offensive? Because I want to laugh but don’t want to be an asshole.

http://i.imgur.com/EnInhh.jpg

On the post itself, what struck me was the matter of fact way that ACLU was supposed to serve as a giant scare button for the readers. They are GAY-MARRIED to members of the ACLU, see why we have a problem! Eleventy-one!

I’d say that’s rather ungrateful of them, seeing as how the ACLU is always there with free attorneys whenever one of their Klan asses is caught trying to get their Klan base to wipe out a few untermenschen for the Glory of God and all.

Also, there is the continuation of the long-held conservative desire to make it so any liberal activism is an instant kybosh on anyone seeking government appointments. You must be a complete cipher or someone who happily worked for right-wing think tanks, because if you even knew someone who tried to actually make life better for people, you obviously can’t be thought of as competent for a related job.

The point of the attack is obvious. To secure absolute power over every branch of government and ensure that all minority groups are quietly blocked from any possible rung of even mediocre power or even acknowledgment. To die alone and unregarded so that the nice kind people of the suburbs can continue pretending that their world is free from the dusky, the gay, or the feminist.

And yeah, continuing what we noted in the Crazy Park lady thread, they really are offended that we exist in places we can see them. How dare queers be everywhere and unavoidable?

Also, love how this again demonstrates the sheer gall of the current push to go “Dominionism? What dominionism?” He’s decided to go on the smear attack against those who dare say, “hmm, if we grant blanket protections to churches, they are going to run roughshod over civil liberties” because they dare note that democracy would be in trouble if anything calling itself a church could call itself immune to federal and state laws not to mention the constitution. Basically, they are fighting with every underhanded method they can think of to make themselves a theocracy and then lash out when caught.

And apparently its our fault that we’ve slowly and barely cottoned on to this after they have already seized major victories (the de facto religious test for office, the limiting of abortion rights despite it being a legal and medically ethical procedure, the granting of special rights from taxation and contribution to religions, and the major stacking of the very agencies designed to prevent said abuses, and so on).

But hey, they’ve had great success about whining constantly no matter what happens or how in the wrong they are, so why would they stop now?

Do gay lawyers produce gay briefs? Does Whelan want to rid the DOJ of gay briefs? What other briefs does Whelan wish to strip away?

http://i.imgur.com/EnInhh.jpg

That is GOLD.

Good news everyone! The country is going in the shitter but our politicians have great hair!

[Alkon] was on her way to an evolutionary psychology conference so you’d think she’d understand.

I hope someone at the conference explained how humans have evolved so they are hardwired to subject one another to degrading “security checks” that are really about reinforcing power relationships.

Imagine if Jonah Goldberg looked like Michael Moore and Michael Moore looked like Jonah Goldberg.

And I say that as someone who knows he really should be eating smaller portions too. (Not to say I don’t giggle uncontrollably at many of this site’s lokksist insults…)

Looksist too. (“Lokksist” sounds like some sort of Swedish delicacy. Stop thinking about food damn it!)

The quote of the hack is the best part of the mango breakfast of course:

One of the attorneys on the DOJ brief is Aaron D. Schuham. Here’s some of what Hans von Spakovsky has to say about Schuham in the latest in Pajamas Media’s remarkable series of articles exposing the politicized hiring of career attorneys by DOJ’s Civil Rights Division:

Mr. Schuham is another newly hired deputy chief in the Employment Section, and easily rates as one of the more radical attorneys to join the Division during Eric Holder’s reign. For seven years prior to coming to DOJ, Mr. Schuham worked as the legislative director for Americans United for Separation of Church and State, an organization that seeks to eradicate any vestige of faith or religion in the public sphere. The very idea that the Obama administration would put the former legislative director of this organization in charge of enforcing the prohibition against religious discrimination in the Civil Rights Act is offensive.

Yeah, we’ll leave off the already noted fact that the one claiming politicization was the one actually politicizing the branch and skip straight to, HE’S STILL DOING IT.

I mean, the hack writes for Pajama Media which would be like some liberal worker in the DOJ writing for I dunno, People’s World or something.

And the only real problem he has is that the person used to work for AUSCS which is an organization in good standing that has gone to bat for religious people and atheists alike rather than a conservative think tank or SPLC-listed hate group like a lot of Bush appointees for the DOJ were. I mean, he couldn’t be more obvious in wanting to maintain a liberal-free DOJ if he was the hacktastic group that was openly firing liberal DOJ members back in the day.

The callout is basically, this DOJ member in a role that would work perfectly naturally with their skill set on the exact case needing to be defended is a damn liberal and there shouldn’t be any damn liberals in the DOJ.

That alone should see Mr. Hack fired, but of course, as we all know all the hacks at the DOJ are well protected and have been making themselves as much of a nuisance to the barest of attempts to allow the DOJ to actually do its job.

With this and everything else, it should be obvious that they will not be sated until every liberal is stripped of work and the Constitution is forever destroyed once and for all in favor of either the Confederate Constitution or some Tea Party Manifesto Intepretation of the Bible.

But hey, noting that they are an existential threat is left-wing paranoia.

And yeah, it is one of the few bright moments of the Cancertron 9000 that are TSA’s rape scanners to see those who called most loudly for the Security Theater to make them feel safe against the evil brown hordes are now shocked, SHOCKED, I say, to see the devices now inconveniencing and violating themselves.

I guess they always assumed that their whiteness would always be their free pass. That maybe there’d be a long line as the brown hordes were inconvenienced, but that’d be it and they’d always get a wink and a nod right through. And now, whoops, the beast you created and fed with free security theater contracts to any half-cocked security company that wanted money for something that looked really impressive are now showing you the exact meaning of police state.

But whoops, turns out they get the same deliberate humiliation ritual as everyone else and their privilege is so much garbage at the bottom of the bin. And they are shocked and outraged. Like all of us with eyes couldn’t see the exact trajectory would come from their demands.

It demonstrates that the worst punishment we could ever give these fucks is to give them exactly the society they clamor for.

If only we could not live in the society they created.

I haven’t participated in a thread in a long while

Glad you are back! (I often wondered if you had wandered off and were prospecting for dilithium crystals in the rings of Saturn ….)

Not to interrupt all the angst or anything, but I just want to be sure everybody’s got all their protective gear on for the hippy-punching that’s about to commence from teh POTUS…

Yes? Good, carry on.

Now look here.

If this place is going to become like Eschaton, where a number of commenters have determined to make me feign offense at jokes made at the expense of Southerners, or Caucasian PENIS owners… well, POOP.
.

If this place is going to become like Eschaton…

Dear FSM, no!!!

600 cancers could be associated with radiation received from flying so close to the sun

Metastasizing the Icarus.

Hi Jefferson!

I just want to be sure everybody’s got all their protective gear on for the hippy-punching that’s about to commence from teh POTUS…

The unit is fully suited-up. Thanks for the alert, OBS!

Glad you are back!

Thanks Fenwick! I’m back Saturn and ready to party. And offend.

Hmm… My mom just told me that I should watch the Obama speech and it’s important that I listen.

I was going to watch it; now I’m going to watch Terminator 2.

And yeah, it is one of the few bright moments of the Cancertron 9000 that are TSA’s rape scanners to see those who called most loudly for the Security Theater to make them feel safe against the evil brown hordes are now shocked, SHOCKED, I say, to see the devices now inconveniencing and violating themselves.

Apparently the government missed the hysterical demands for more security FOR MUSLIMS NOT WHITE PEOPLE

Do gay lawyers produce gay briefs? Does Whelan want to rid the DOJ of gay briefs? What other briefs does Whelan wish to strip away?

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600 cancers could be associated with radiation received from flying so close to the sun

Metastasizing the Icarus.

Dunno who wins the internets today, but BBBB and Arky are clearly among the frontrunners.

I was going to watch it; now I’m going to watch Terminator 2.

There’s also a rerun of Charlie’s Angels from 1979 on “Universal HD” right now …

I like to randomly stand and clap when people are talking to me IRL,

The worst crime is to not be funny. That *really* offends me.

Hint to right-wingers, this country would go all out fascist if you could just tell a decent joke. It worked for Ronnie.

“The wave” has started in Congress!

I feel like I have a job already.

Hint to right-wingers, this country would go all out fascist if you could just tell a decent joke. It worked for Ronnie.

I’m trying to remember a decent joke he told. Was it his economic plan? Cuz that one’s getting a little shopworn these days.

Good god, how much St Raygun ballsack licking can a fucking field of contenders actually do without violating some obscure natural law?

” a rerun of Charlie’s Angels ”

Shit, I need my remote to be able to switch between four channels with one button.

Oh, the one where he joked that he’d launched a nuke attack on Russia was fucking hilarious!

Oh, and just so you have choices on which bra-less TV women to watch, there’s also a rerun of “Charmed”. You’re welcome.

“I’m trying to remember a decent joke he told.”

Umm, ummm, it sounded good at the time. “We begin bombing in five minutes.” That was a really good one. Ok, maybe not. Alright fine, but… if they *could*, that would be something.

I’d be watching the Dodgers-Nats game if it hadn’t been rained out.

Oh, the one where he joked that he’d launched a nuke attack on Russia was fucking hilarious!

Hellz ta da YAH. Nuke ’em if they can’t take a joke.

Re: Offensive jokes. I’ll make my single observation and then you can all fuck off.

The source of the joke makes a HUGE difference in whether it should be considered offensive or not. Also, nuance and context matter.

’nuff said. Don’t you fucking dare argue with me, either, that would offend me.

Hey, look on the TeeVee! It’s Barack Obama! I haven’t seen him since he won the Presidency!

Don’t you fucking dare argue with me, either, that would offend me.

No it wouldn’t.

I’m trying to remember a decent joke he told.

“I have left orders to be awakened at any time in case of national emergency — even if I’m in a Cabinet meeting.”

I sorta like that one.

You all are being very silly and I don’t approve!

Now, watch me as I flounce away!

Oh gee, fuckwits demonizing me again. I am so surprised. Makes me wish I really did have sekrit ghey sooper powers.

Sooper Pooper?

Masochists should get on McArdle’s Twit fed, where she’s retwitting all the snide crap her coterie of moronic glibertarians have posted about the Prez’s speech.

Now, watch me as I flounce away!

Alkon flounces better than you do!

Oh, my, a woman has bad fashion sense, she must be a man. Let us now say nothing else but how she he is a man.

FTFY

Fucking tags…how do they work?

M., I try to be tolerant of folks’ fetishes…but you are one sick masochistic bastard.

As I recall (it was a while ago now), we ran the numbers and both in terms of cost and environmental impact, cloth and disposable diapers came out pretty much a wash (heh).

Well, ultra efficient front loader with timing offset to take advantage of off-peak rates. Plus it turns out that Ultra Ninja is on teh high side for needing changes. Baby Connect tells me that we’ve done over 1700 diapers in five months. That annualizes to 4000 or about a dozen a day. OTOH, this means that potty training should be easier. We’ll probably still come out ahead with cloth.

Alkon flounces better than you do!

Especially in his mandals.

Plus it turns out that Ultra Ninja is on teh high side for needing changes.

A Sooper Pooper?

Huh, I didn’t see any hippy punching. Imagine that.

“Now, watch me as I flounce away!

Alkon flounces better than you do!”

That’s bullshit. I AM WEARING A CAPE.

Huh, I didn’t see any hippy punching. Imagine that.

He didn’t say anything about cutting SocSec and/or Medicare/aid? Really? I’ll read the transcript later, after I’ve had enough to drink.

Don’t drink my wine, OBS.

Hey, look on the TeeVee! It’s Barack Obama! I haven’t seen him since he won the Presidency!

It seems that a “threat” has been issued that is taking attention away from the speech. Phew… For a second there I thought I’d have to get a haircut and/or a suit.

Don’t drink my wine, OBS.

Nah, tonight’s a Mad River Brewing beer tasting.

Mad River Brewing

The Extra Pale Ale is da bomb.

“It seems that a “threat” has been issued that is taking attention away from the speech.”

Some Paki in a mud hut in says they want to set off truck bombs in NTC on 911 and everyone freaks.

I’m trying to remember a decent joke he told. Was it his economic plan? Cuz that one’s getting a little shopworn these days.

Try this one: “It’s true hard work never killed anybody, but I figure, why take the chance?”

Conservative work ethic in a nutshell.

OBS: was is you a couple days ago who mentioned your hop harvest has begun? If so, what types and how do you store them? How difficult are they to grow and what sort of haul do you get?

http://i.imgur.com/EnInhh.jpg

Caption: One time, I deep-throated a corndog this big.

Don’t you fucking dare argue with me, either, that would offend me

No it wouldn’t.

I’M LEAVING AND NEVER COMING BACK WAAAAHHHHHHH!

GBCW.

gOOD dAWG, Maroon 5 is SO HORRIBLE.

gOOD dAWG, Maroon 5 is SO HORRIBLE.

Is Obama blasting Maroon 5 before speaking?

Caption: One time, I deep-throated a corndog this big.

Heh..

“I don’t know how y’all throat a corndog, but down in Texas, we take those great big ones all the way down…”

Is Obama blasting Maroon 5 before speaking?

No, the freakin’ NFL is. Buncha nancy boys.

If anyone here can get Tony Dungy to never appear on TV again, I will send you money.

The entire discussion about tranny jokes was thought-provoking.

I’m all over the map and wishy-washy myself. I often feel the same uneasiness as Spear and the Dragon-King … but I also understand Actor’s POV. (And I surely hope S,N doesn’t become an Eschaton-like policed-comments place, as one commenter noted.)

Cerebrus, as usual, wrote eloquently and subtly … and from a special POV on the issue. I resonated to what she wrote.

A little Maroon 5 ear bleach

Followed up by Kid Rock. Hey ABC–Why don’t you turn down the suck?

Followed up by Kid Rock.

Oh thank bog for TiVo. We fast forward right through the suckage to the kickoff.

A little Maroon 5 ear bleach

Esteev, you ever hear Balún? They got their start in San Juan, Puerto Rico, but are now based out of (where else?) Brooklyn.

Protip: If you dig boricuas who look kinda like Velma from Scooby Doo, you’ll dig their frontwoman.

If anyone here can get Tony Dungy never to appear on TV again, I will send you money.

If Tony’s son killing himself couldn’t shut his festering Jesus-loving gob, nothing will.

Esteev, you ever hear Balún?

I haven’t but that is very cool. Dreamy, wistful stuff. Thanks BBBB!

If you dig boricuas who look kinda like Velma from Scooby Doo, you’ll dig their frontwoman.

I do and I do.

If Tony’s son killing himself couldn’t shut his festering Jesus-loving gob, nothing will.

It drives me nuts. The football world absolutely idolizes the guy. I find him to be an irritating simpleton who should shut his bean hole.

Here’s the point: Examples J. Goldberg & K-Lo are objectively fat & ugly; their fugliness may have had a psychological affect on them. (Or they were just born cretins.)

Amy A. (& Ann Coulter) really aren’t men, or trans, or whatever. And y’all talking mean about them here where I am a shopworn semi-regular is seriously reducing my chances of hate-fucking either one. (I like tall, scrawny, not excessively busty, androgynousdames. A guy can hope, can’t he?)

A HA! But your chances of seriously fucking hating either are excellent. So, yeah. There’s that. Right? Where was I going with this? My Tylenol3 logic, let me show you it.

I do and I do.

D00d, she plays the accordion.

IBIMB

I like tall, scrawny, not excessively busty, androgynousdames.

You don’t like boricuas who look kinda like Velma from Scooby Doo?

she plays the accordion.

That’s hot.

You’ll love this young, talented lady.

The electric ukulele is the coolest thing evar.

You’ll love this young, talented lady.

The electric ukulele is the coolest thing evar.

HOLY FUCKING SHIT
If I saw this live I would…I don’t even KNOW what I would do. Probably stand there and stare like a stunned moron.

This is why music is better than anything else in the whole world.

sooper pooper

Damn The Ho and his big mouth. He just has to blab *everything*.

If I saw this live I would…I don’t even KNOW what I would do.

My sentiment exactly.

You don’t like boricuas who look kinda like Velma from Scooby Doo?

I am too old to have fetishized Velma, & that young woman could be Velma’s daughter. Perv!

Currently cavorting w/ a CabanaCubana who is age-appropriate.

Taimane has a certain appeal, I’ll admit.

If I saw this live I would…I don’t even KNOW what I would do.

Yeah, she’s a hundred kinds of awesome.

that young woman could be Velma’s daughter

If Velma weren’t a cartoon, that is.

Perv!

Guilty as charged!

If Velma weren’t a cartoon, that is.

Humanist!!

You’ll love this young, talented lady.

i. am. in. love.

That’s kinda hot, bbkf…

I was surprised that nobody took issue with the cringe-inducing references to her labia in yesterday’s comments.

It’s fiction, so why bother?

Oh snap! He did not!

apparently her labia ARE NOT fiction…they are so huge and flappy that someone can stick the side of their hand between them and into her vag THROUGH HER PANTS!!! again…i can only think of it as a monstrosity…and *shuddervomitabitinmymouth* i was completely squicked reading about her vag…and i REALLY cannot believe her portrayal as the innocent sobbing victim….

as far as the joke, i was always under the assumption that it was her appalling lack of fashion sense and desire to dress like a cheap hooker that we were making fun of…i would not dream of insulting a trans person of any sort by comparing HER to them…the other aspect of it is that she puts herself out there as the advice goddess and as such has no reason to mock and degrade others when she can’t even dress herself…

i’m still a bit chubby, but will mock other wingnut fatties…but sometimes in real life, i do not have the heart to do so knowing as i do how fucking shitty you feel in society when you are overweight…some people really cannot help it…some can and just choose to whine about their problems and people being mean to them….i guess that’s the crux of it for me: if someone is being marginalized because of who or how they organically are=not mockable…someone like alkon who could take some of her own advice and find a fashion advisor or something i will mock mercilessly…

and any r-word jokes? i will cut your nuts off…

That’s kinda hot, bbkf…

ha, ha…ikr? but then again, i was in love earlier tonight with an earnest young cowboy (our dishwasher calls them goat ropers) who is cute as a fucking button and whose name is jared flower…is that NOT the cutest?!?!?

apparently her labia ARE NOT fiction…they are so huge and flappy that someone can stick the side of their hand between them and into her vag THROUGH HER PANTS!!!

Do they look like bacon and play-dough?

Do they look like bacon and play-dough?

oh, eff! that is so disgusting! but it made me laff so hard i snorted…

What are boricuas?

Pardon my ignorance, I’ve only been on the planet for a few years.

I saw that your old bete noire Amy Alkon is making the news for protesting the TSA. While her anti-groping stance is to be commended, her attempts to connect TSA abuse to a Big Government trend encompassing lightbulb regulation (as she writes in one post about the incident) are silly.

What she does not link it to is anti-Muslim paranoia, which she is still whipping up with entries about the imminent threat of sharia law.

My fantasy team name:

Wolverines!!1!

Exactly like that. Don’t act like you don’t care about my fantasy team.

What are boricuas?

Individuals of Puerto Rican descent.

While her anti-groping stance is to be commended, her attempts to connect TSA abuse to a Big Government trend encompassing lightbulb regulation (as she writes in one post about the incident) are silly.

Maybe she was hiding an incandescent light bulb up in her ladyparts.

While her anti-groping stance is to be commended,

Meh. Most of the those righties fully supported any and all invasive search measures for muslims, or even people who outwardly appear to be muslims (snaring thousands of sikh and hindu passengers).

No, this is just another idiot conservative who didn’t stop to think about being careful what she wished for.

I wish nobody would get groped that way, and honestly I hope she’s exaggerating, because her description is pretty heinous. But has this sparked any introspection from these asshole conservatives? Have they ever stopped to wonder if their “whatever it takes, the end justifies the means” attitude toward civil liberties, human rights and basic fucking dignity went too fucking far? No. Not that I’ve seen at least.

That bulb certainly wasn’t going off over her head.

Another uke girl.

Context for bacon & Play-Doh™.

WHERE IS PREVIEW?1?

oh, good dog! 3’s company is on…the ultra hideous later episodes where it’s just sad, sad, sad to watch don knotts…

oh sure…now you are all off watching 3’s company…argh…i’m going to bed…my big fundraising event is on saturday…much, much work to do over the next two days…and then, blissful drunkeness…

I offer a humble comment as one to whom the description “politically correct” is an aspiration rather than an insult. My thing about jokes is pretty much this. I will joke about those who are regularly celebrated… lionized… courted… flattered… deferred to… and the less deserving such persons are of their exalted Barcaloungers o’ Privilege, the more ardent and numerous are my jokes. In other words, the more miles from meritocracy, the more merciless my mock.

I use a slightly different standard for those who are capable, intelligent, humanist, insightful, progressive, self-improved, and completely disregarded by the powerful. People who are doing their best to run even though the powerful have set speed bumps about every 0.9 meters in their path. You know, differently abled. Single parents working for minimum wage. Sexual/gender minorities. Immigrants. People of color. People of size. I have my own privilege–I’ve never been pulled over for driving while Young, Gifted, and Black, for example–but I try to look at the world, at least every once in a while, as though I didn’t have my particular set of privileges.

The way I can tell if a joke is one that makes my point without being cruel is this: can I think of a recent example of fill-in-the-blank being celebrated? I mean, in the past week, has the entire country swooned with admiration for the brains of an African-American, the singing voice of a woman in a wheelchair, the carefully-crafted sex-bomb image of a cross-dresser? Yes? Then it’s OK to say Clarence Thomas has all the intellectual subtlety of a sack of rusty mallets, that Susan Boyle is Celine Dion with about 16 drama points stripped out, or that Chaz Bono really needs to have RuPaul dressing him for his dance numbers. If I can’t think of one, out goes the joke.

Transfolk, by the way, are about ten times more likely to be murdered than people in the general population… and that’s a conservative, but realistic, estimate. It’s a truism to say that hate speech leads to hate action, but every time you turn a human being into a stereotype for purposes of humor, you make it that much easier for some threatened young guy to satisfy his curiosity about what it feels like to kill somebody. Maybe that’s why they call it a punchline. Until that percentage comes down, I’ve chosen not to contribute to a climate of demonization.

That’s why one of my favorite sayings is, “If you DID give a Republican a brain, he’d just play with it.”

kc said,

April 26, 2007 at 5:08

Eh, a lot of guys don’t dig that.

I have yet to meet the straight one who didn’t.

Jeez, you practically have to swat them on the head with a rolled-up newspaper to get them out of there . . .

HA! Legacy Sadly.

That’s why one of my favorite sayings is, “If you DID give a Republican a brain, he’d just play with it.”
Or mistake it for Reagan’s face and jack off all over it…

Well said, btw. (not this part, but the whole ‘what makes a joke ok’ thing)

D00d, she plays the accordion.

Since I’ve stirred up enough bad blood today, I’ll avoid my usual shtick of objectifying Christina Hendricks (even though that video of her playing the accordion and singing in French is the hottest thing ever).

Instead, I’ll link to this Jaques Brel song that incorporates an accordion. It’s pretty awesome.

*Jacques Brel.

I’m sorry I’m late — there was a Very Special Edition of the Urk Urkson show on the big Atlanta AM station’s replacing sardonic not-legal-adviser Handel on the Law.

Erick had on a few Georgia Tech students who told Erick, on air, what they recalled about what Marc Thiessen said in a speech.

One of the GT guys was pretty sure that Thiessen ‘proved’ that ENHANCED interrogation (NOW WITH REAL FRUIT CHUNKS) saved us from like 20 attacks.

More stirring radio I haven’t heard in a while.

WHERE IS PREVIEW?1?

I think Alkon hid it in her V-J-J.

Humor?

I think we can all agree that THIS is inexcusably disgusting (h/t metafilter).

PROTIP: Video quality is teh suck – expand the description to savor the juicy lulz.

Gotta love ace’s it was a joke, loony libs!!!121!1!@! disclaimer. Poor ace, I bet he pasted cut-out pictures of Bill Kristol’s mouth over all the vulva pictures in his favorite spank mag.

Kathleen destroyed him! Goddess!

OT – Theatre review.

Ace you forgot to mention how much we, The Left, love terrorists, in you lengthy defense/insult up there. Quel surprise. I am sure you have a macro for it.

Awesome.

I wish nobody would get groped that way, and honestly I hope she’s exaggerating, because her description is pretty heinous. But has this sparked any introspection from these asshole conservatives? Have they ever stopped to wonder if their “whatever it takes, the end justifies the means” attitude toward civil liberties, human rights and basic fucking dignity went too fucking far? No. Not that I’ve seen at least.

Once again, the cornerstone of conservative thinking is “I deserve this, but these people don’t!” (or the flip side in this case, “I don’t deserve this, only these people do.”) Everything else in their ideology is rationalization built around that. The sense of privilege and entitlement to privilege is too ingrained in them for any “would you like it if somebody did it to you?” argument to take hold.

OT – Theatre review.

HAHA! Did you do that? That looks a bit like your technique.

Once again, the cornerstone of conservative thinking is “I deserve this, but these people don’t!” (or the flip side in this case, “I don’t deserve this, only these people do.”) Everything else in their ideology is rationalization built around that. The sense of privilege and entitlement to privilege is too ingrained in them for any “would you like it if somebody did it to you?” argument to take hold.

Ok, but here’s where it starts to bake my noodle: I was taught at a very young age to treat others the way I would like to be treated. Now that was part of this kitschy little Americana inspired, all American upbringing. The sort of stuff that gives these bumper sticker patriots a rock hard little woody. Now these same fuckheads will gladly lecture everyone else about how to raise their kids, and prattle on about The Golden Rule….

Fucking conservatives. How do they work?

HAHA! Did you do that?

I wish. But thanx.

tigris said,

September 9, 2011 at 1:57

OBS: was is you a couple days ago who mentioned your hop harvest has begun? If so, what types and how do you store them? How difficult are they to grow and what sort of haul do you get?

Yep, that’s me.

I grow a couple varieties — Mt. Hood and Goldings. They’re ridiculously easy to grow, at least in this climate. They’re basically weeds around here, you just need to get them established and set them up with a tall (14+ feet ideally) trellis to climb and you’ll never get rid of them.

As for storage, you pick the flowers, dry them (I let them sit on “drying screens” — you can remove the screens from your windows or buy a roll of window screen material and build your own with some wood framing — ) for about a week then weigh them into 2 ounce packs and vacuum seal them and throw them in the freezer. They’ll last at least a couple years that way.

I’ve harvested a few pounds of dried flowers so far, and am about half way through the harvest of my 8 plants.

Once again, the cornerstone of conservative thinking is “I deserve this, but these people don’t!” (or the flip side in this case, “I don’t deserve this, only these people do.”) Everything else in their ideology is rationalization built around that. The sense of privilege and entitlement to privilege is too ingrained in them for any “would you like it if somebody did it to you?” argument to take hold.

The Golden Rule escapes them.

Projection acting as inoculation is their Daily Bread.
.

WHERE IS PREVIEW?1?

I think Alkon hid it in her V-J-J.

Where, now?

Show us on the doll where you hid the preview

OT: I have a couple of blog entries up about guilty pleasures. Come on by and share yours IF YOU HAVE THE OVARIES.

Also, yes, yes…blogwhore and and all that…

Well, now that there’s new thread, I might as well blogwhore too. That is if anyone’s interested in reading thousands of words about some dead french guy no one’s really ever heard of.

What’s the R- Word that bbkf doesn’t want jokes about?

What’s the R- Word that bbkf doesn’t want jokes about?

Roger Waters. There are just too many cruel, unworthy jokes about this talented songwriter/musician.

BTW, Gilligan’s Island ruined Bach’s Toccata for me.

What’s the R- Word that bbkf doesn’t want jokes about?

‘Rugula

Krugman on Obama’s speech:

First things first: I was favorably surprised by the new Obama jobs plan, which is significantly bolder and better than I expected. It’s not nearly as bold as the plan I’d want in an ideal world. But if it actually became law, it would probably make a significant dent in unemployment. Shorter rest of Krugman: Republicans hate America.