that was some of the funniest shit i’ve read in a while (sorry not you guys, but the comments in the link). I love the part where the guy says “Honestly, the energy these people put into trying to destroy one guy is really amazing” and then proceeds with that lenghy conspiracy nut job about Greenwald’s comment section and his fuckin IP address. These guys really are in some long suffering momma’s basement somewhere aren’t they. Oh yeah, that was him dealing with the substance of Greenwalds posts. Oh man, i was rollin on the floor.

The idea that Goldstein’s family, his children, might be off-limits is somehow dismissed. At best (and it’s a poor best), the fact that we are bombing women and children in Iraq somehow is of “greater� import.

This commentary says it all for them. Insults against Goldstein’s family are OBVIOUSLY as important as bombing women and children in Iraq.

Why are they so protective of their reputations? Haven’t they realized yet that those got shot all to hell in the last six years of blindly backing Bush’s foreign and domestic policy disasters?

1. “Mr.” Montalban seems to have an unhealthy fixation on Jeff Goldstein’s penis. Sad.

2. When someone deliberately chooses a completely outrageous way to put something, consider the possibility that it’s not intended seriously. For example, if I wanted to make it utterly clear that my Internet threats of violence were a joke, I might threaten, not to punch someone in the face, but to do something completely and utterly ludicrous. I might pick the silliest possible threat. That’s a clew that it’s not meant seriously. Hint: cock-slapping is a very ludicrous “threat.” That’s the point.

3. Further hint: Jonathan Swift did not seriously suggest breeding children to feed the rich. The outrageousness of the proposal is, as I say, a clew. And were you to mock him endlessly for proposing such a ridiculous thing, the joke would not be on Swift. It would be on you, for not understanding the satire. (Big time.)

4. There is a particular dishonest argument in response to an analogy which is popular among people who want to score a cheap point without addressing the issue: pretend that the person making the analogy is intending to *equate* the things being analogized. It’s particularly dishonest because analogies often liken the current situation to a more extreme situation, exactly to make the point obvious.

5. I expect most responses to this comment will be some combination of penis fixation, insult, and resort to the dishonest argument described in point 4. Call me Karnak.

6. Taking cock-slapping jokes seriously is very silly of you.

That oughtta stir the hornet’s nest a little. Have fun!

6. Taking cock-slapping jokes seriously is very silly of you.

No one takes them seriously. Which is probably the source of JG’s impotent rage.

Anyway, nothing’s as silly as defending cock-slapping jokes.

Shorter Patterico: I have no life.

Shorter Patterico, take 2: Glenn Greenwald wrote a book?

2. When someone deliberately chooses a completely outrageous way to put something, consider the possibility that it’s not intended seriously. For example, if I wanted to make it utterly clear that my Internet threats of violence were a joke, I might threaten, not to punch someone in the face, but to do something completely and utterly ludicrous. I might pick the silliest possible threat. That’s a clew that it’s not meant seriously. Hint: cock-slapping is a very ludicrous “threat.â€? ….

Maybe not, though repeating it millions of times sort of underlines a mental problem. But saying you should take a gun to Eschaton II is a threat. Saying that you’re going to take axe-handles to Yearly Kos is. Saying you will come to someone’s house and beat them up with your fists is. Saying that you’ll kick someone (in the throat iirc) is. Saying that you’re gonna show someone where Jimmy Hoffa is buried is.

And if what Frisch said was a threat, so was what was said by either Goldstein or one of his commenters about Thers’s kid.

But you can’t allow yourself to accept any of that because you’re a pathetic hack — which, I’ve been wondering: is Goldstein giving you a kickback from his latest pity-drive?

Pasty and Pattie remind me of a 80’s band, continually returning to medleys of their greatest hits.

The little Deb Frisch dustup was tthe most exciting thing in Jeffy’s life so far, so we are treated to endless reruns of it.

It’s like watching classic baseball games. I love baseball, but what’s the point of watching an old game?

Shorter Patterico III, The Search for Spock: When Goldstein talks about molesting someone’s kid, he’s just being satirical and over-the-top, but when Debbie Frisch does it, it is a horrible offense that threatens the very fabric of our society. The fact that you guys can’t recognize the difference just proves that you are TEH STUPID times infinity no takebacks.

“Call me Karnak.”

-Sorry. “Fucking Asshole” suits you better.

But saying you should take a gun to Eschaton II is a threat. Saying that you’re going to take axe-handles to Yearly Kos is. Saying you will come to someone’s house and beat them up with your fists is. Saying that you’ll kick someone (in the throat iirc) is. Saying that you’re gonna show someone where Jimmy Hoffa is buried is. – Mr. Montalban

Every one of these examples are cited by you, in your own piece, as having been posted by commentators on Mr. Goldstein’s site. Of course since his permalinks aren’t working (how convenient!!) its not possible to check the context of the comments. However, you know the context because you’re the one who highlighted the comments in your original post. Why are you now suggesting that Mr. Goldstein said these things?

And if what Frisch said was a threat, so was what was said by either Goldstein or one of his commenters about Thers’s kid.

What evidence do you have that Mr. Goldstein or one of his commenters said this? What Ms. Frisch has said and done is well documented and not disputed by her. It’s rather dishonest and irresponsible for you to suggest Goldstein has engaged in anything close to what this woman has done.

Saying you will come to someone’s house and beat them up with your fists is. Saying that you’ll kick someone (in the throat iirc) is.

Goldstein himself is responsible for these two.

Love that “how convenient”, though. His links worked when I wrote the piece. I can’t help it he spends all that money on a dedicated server and still cant keep his shitty site intact. Actually — HOW CONVENIENT for him!

As for “evidence” about the comments on Thers’s kid, well, the content, style, timing, and victim all make it pretty obvious. But I’m sure wingnuts think Hezbollah did it. Surely not Goldstein or his commenters, who have never threatened violence oh no no!

Hold up, posting Goldstein quotes to document how obsessed he is with his cock is evidence of the one who posts them is obsessed with Goldstein’s cock? That’s a line of reasoning I’m especially surprised to encounter from a DA.

1. Yes, the person compiling a list of references to something is more unhealthy and sad than the person actually making those references. Clearly.

2, 3. Good news, guys! He figured out what “Rope. Tree. Conservative” meant! At least, at some point he figured it out, though maybe after “Pie. Face. Patterico”.

4. So this is fine when Goldstein does it, but bad when Dick Durbin does it. Makes sense to me!

5. How am I doing so far? I value your input.

6. First of all, the proprietors of Sadly, No! have been doing something very silly? Stop the presses! Second of all, if there were taking them “seriously” in the sense of “treating them as serious threats”, then that would be another matter. But taking such jokes “seriously” merely in the sense of “using them as insights into the character of the person making them”? It doesn’t sound too unreasonable.

tigrismus:

It’s the same line of reasoning that led Ann Coulter to opine that, because of his affairs with women, Bill Clinton is a latent homosexual. It’s been a while since I took my symbolic logic classes, but I think that’s known as Proof by CooCoo Bananas.

Further hint: Jonathan Swift did not seriously suggest breeding children to feed the rich. The outrageousness of the proposal is, as I say, a clew.

Um. I knew Jonathan Swift. Jonathan Swift was a friend of mine. And you, Goldstein, are no Jonathan Swift.

4. There is a particular dishonest argument in response to an analogy which is popular among people who want to score a cheap point without addressing the issue: pretend that the person making the analogy is intending to *equate* the things being analogized. It’s particularly dishonest because analogies often liken the current situation to a more extreme situation, exactly to make the point obvious.

The poster of said commentary didn’t offer anything to offset the serious tone of the analogy in the middle of his lament about the evil evil left wingers then or at any time after. Given the history of right wingers in this country beating and killing gays, dragging blacks behind trucks, and generally equating the left with terrorists, child molesters, and Satan, you can’t be very surprised when people stop treating your outbursts as episodes of ‘humor’ and ‘analogy’ and instead treat them as the pathologies they clearly represent.

Unless, of course, you just want us to treat you like 14 year olds with no controls between thoughts and tongues.

How’d I do with the predictions? Let’s see:

Penis fixation by commenters? Check.

Insults? Check.

Miss the point of the analogy, so respond to it with phony rhetorical trick? Check.

The only ones I missed: utterly dishonest attribution to Goldstein of statements by his commenters, and baseless suggestions of kickbacks.

You folks claim your penis fixation stems from Goldstein’s references to “COCK” on his site. But those references stem from the left’s fascination with Gannon’s “cock.” A fascination the folks here share, judging from the online store.

Let me see if I have this straight: you do or you don’t believe that threats to slap someone with a cock are serious? You do or don’t understand that the threat is phrased that way to make it perfectly clear that the “threats” are not serious?

Let me see if I have this straight: you do or you don’t believe that threats to slap someone with a cock are serious? You do or don’t understand that the threat is phrased that way to make it perfectly clear that the “threats� are not serious?

The only replies in the thread that refer to Mr. Goldstein’s ‘manhood’:

No one takes them seriously. Which is probably the source of JG’s impotent rage.

Anyway, nothing’s as silly as defending cock-slapping jokes.

And this:

Maybe not, though repeating it millions of times sort of underlines a mental problem.

And this:

Hold up, posting Goldstein quotes to document how obsessed he is with his cock is evidence of the one who posts them is obsessed with Goldstein’s cock? That’s a line of reasoning I’m especially surprised to encounter from a DA.

Pasty + reading comprehension? S,N!

My apologies, I called it Pasty. I should have called it Pasty’s Wingman.

Shorter Patterico, take 3: “really? Glenn Greenwald wrote a book about the Constitution? Don’t bother me with that trivia when I’m busy.”

Noone thought about the Goldmember until he brought it up. Early and often. Sometimes folks notice that sort of thing. And not that it has anything to do with anything, but noone thought about Gannon’s until photos he’d posted of himself at attention surfaced. As you apparently keep checking the store for Gannon cock stock, we have to assume, by your logic, that you have a wee fixation yourself.

Cock-and-bull aside, here’s a “clew” for you, too, darling: one doesn’t have to believe a threat is serious to think it is evidence of a warped mind. Noone thinks he really molested a commenter’s sister but it was still a nasty thing to say, and it’s not unreasonable to conclude that someone who would say such a thing is a little loco in the cabeza. Here’s another: insult people and they may actually insult you back. Shocking, I know.

He didn’t say he molested a commenter’s sister.

His comment about someone’s sister was an insult — to someone who had already insulted him. I heard somewhere that’s okay to do. Like calling someone a fucking asshole for making some arguments.

I know Mr. Montalban sets the standard for smears here: no accuracy or basis required. But you don’t all have to follow his example. Try honesty for a change. Just try it out. Maybe you’ll like it.

I *said* maybe . . .

Cheers.

He didn’t say he molested a commenter’s sister.

Touch a woman in her ‘secret places’, especially when she doesn’t want you to, and find out what words they use to describe it.

Shorter Patterico, take IV.

Shorter Patterico: “blah blah blah penis fixation blah blah blah COCK!”

Shorter Patterico, take 4: “Puny human! Your mention of Greenwald’s book on threats to the Constitution is powerless before my Goldstein defense mind-ray! Don’t try to distract me while I’m focusing its awesome powers!”

Let me see if I have this straight: you do or you don’t believe that threats to slap someone with a cock are serious?

The DA in action. “Just answer yes or no, sir! DO you or DON’T you believe cock-slapping threats are SERIOUS?”

Witness: “[snicker . . .]”

Patterico: “Your HONOR! Please instruct the witness to answer the QUESTION!”

I bow before the superior power of “ahem’s” Shorter. I for one would like to welcome our new Animotronic overlords.

I was merely pointing out the two were analogous because any threat was not taken seriously… Oh dear, please tell me you’re not refuting that they are analogous by pointing out they aren’t equal. No, it’s just a quibble over semantics is it, dear heart? I’m not afraid to go all dictionarial on your heinie and split your finest nethermost hair on the meanings of “molest” and “improper,” but let’s not; will you grant that it was a nasty thing to say? Perhaps even that it was over the line to bring in someone’s family in what was clearly meant to be sexually degrading? And sweetie, I didn’t say it was acceptible, just expectable. Try to keep up. But do tell me, in your learned opinion, is it necessary to take a threat seriously to think someone a right asshole for making it? Do you really think anyone thought Goldstein was literally clutching a ticket for Commenterville, population one face-slappee? Please note I’m not saying said commenter was not also an asshole, so let’s just nip that riposte before it fleurets(I spoke metaphorically.—My metaphor was drawn from fencing). And if you recognize that noone thought him serious, just a jerk(hard as they may be to believe) doesn’t that make you want to revisit your first post? Who knows, you may develop a taste for honest reevaluation yourself. I did said may.

Patterico lecturing someone on intellectual honesty is kinda like Mel Gibson admonishing someone to be nicer to Jewish people.

That’s a line of reasoning I’m especially surprised to encounter from a DA.

Really? Doesn’t surprise me a bit. Of course, I’ve been prosecuted a couple of times, so I’ve had the dubious pleasure of seeing them in action. Crepuscular logic and a complete disrespect for the facts tend to characterize your basic county DA. That, and a complete willingness to incarcerate the wrong person, if necessary, merely to add another conviction and maybe qualify for a raise…

mikey

Also let the record show that while I have not mentioned this word or this word once today, Patterico has done so repeatedly, a total of nine times in this comment thread alone, in fact. I will let my superiority speak for itself.

Shorter Patterico(suavé), part 67 & �:
“BLAARRGGHH! Me am reasoning–LOUDLY!!1 BLAARRGGHH1!!”
Thus endeth teh lesson.

kc:

Having the witness snicker in your imagined cross-examination makes my point perfectly: Jeff’s “threats” are jokes, not threats. You guys (and Greenwald) treating them like *threats* shows *you* don’t get it. You’re like someone who repeatedly and bitterly mocks Swift for advocating cannibalism, and then goes around shaking your head and pointing at him, saying: “Jesus. He actually advocates cannibalism.” And when someone tries to explain that Swift meant it as satire, you accuse *them* of defending cannibalism.

A fallback argument would be equally silly: we don’t think Swift was serious, but he sure seems obsessed with cannibalism.

No . . .

The analogy: in each case the author makes outrageous statements that smart readers won’t take seriously because the author is using the outrageousness to make a point. In Jeff’s case, the point is: these aren’t real threats.

To criticize the statements as outrageous misses the point. It’s *supposed* to be outrageous. That’s how you know the threats aren’t real.

The more you mock the statements as outrageous, the more you show you’re missing the point, just as *everyone* has missed my ironic point about Retard’s penis obsession.

(Shall I explain that too? Jeff mocks the left’s obsession with Gannon’s cock, ergo Jeff has an obsession. Retard mocks that, ergo he has an obsession. The argument is labeled stupid and disingenuous — well, yeah. It’s Retard’s argument.)

But those references stem from the left’s fascination with Gannon’s “cock.�

awesome. best Goldstein defense ever.

Of course, I’ve been prosecuted a couple of times, so I’ve had the dubious pleasure of seeing them in action. Crepuscular logic and a complete disrespect for the facts tend to characterize your basic county DA.

While we’re generalizing, I’d say the same thing tends to apply a bit more to criminal defendants.

NobodySpecial,

“Touch a woman in her ’secret places’, especially when she doesn’t want you to, and find out what words they use to describe it.”

Touch a woman in her “secret places” when she *does* want you to, if you ever get the chance. Jeff didn’t say the sister was unwilling. Even if the women you’ve run into have all been unwilling to accept your advances, that doesn’t make the same true for others.

In other words, this little meme that Goldstein claimed to have “molested” someone’s sister is baseless, no matter how many times you repeat it.

By the way, any of you attacking me with reference to my job, or any of you who attack, say, Goldstein for not signing up to go to war . . . any of you want to take the far less courageous step of telling us your true name and what you do for a living?

Anyone?

Or would you like to continue to hide behind a pseudonym and make childish attacks?

After all, what kind of courage does it take to step up to the plate and spew some opinions on the Internet using your real name? Very little, I’d say. So anyone here want to show even that small amount of courage — something Goldstein does every day?

That’s what I thought.

ah Patterico, John Cole already mined this territory. (http://www.thepoorman.net/2006/07/11/we-may-have-to-give-out-the-palme-dhair-early-this-year/#comment-210144)

Do you ever have anything to offer that isn’t derivative?

While we’re generalizing, I’d say the same thing tends to apply a bit more to criminal defendants.

ALL – Righty then. I guess we’ve identified the species then. I’ll 100% agree with you there, Mr. Patterico. Dead – on accurate.

mikey

Patterico:

Having the witness snicker in your imagined cross-examination makes my point perfectly: Jeff’s “threats� are jokes, not threats. You guys (and Greenwald) treating them like *threats* shows *you* don’t get it.

You have just egregiously misrepresented my position – you know, I *could* sue you, but I won’t. Probably.

I have, more than once, tol d you that I for one don’t take JG’s cock-slapping comments seriously. That is – when he threatens to cock-slap every Tom, Dick, Harry, and Jane who disagrees with him, I don’t think he really means that he really intends to literally slap them, with his cock. Because to do that, he’d have to leave his house.

I just think it’s funny to watch you stoutly defend his cock-slapping and sister-molesting comments, even as you huffily chastise other people for their lack of manners.

It’s even funnier that after all this time, you still don’t get it.

A threat of a lawsuit! I’d better get my best suit ready!

Of course, the threat comes from a guy named “kc” — someone with even less courage than Jeff Goldstein, who stands behind his comments with a name.

How does it feel to have less courage than Jeff Goldstein, “kc”?

How’s the Sunshine Band doing these days?

You think a lawsuit will revive your career, “kc”?

shorter Patterico: fuck on-line integrity

Or would you like to continue to hide behind a pseudonym and make childish attacks?

You can’t even pretend your previous arguments held any water, can you?

Shorter Sadly, No! commenters:

We all lack Jeff Goldstein’s courage, because he posts under his own name, and we’re too cowardly to do that.

Your love for Jeffy is shining through. I’m sure he’s so proud to have a valiant defender such as you here in the “snake pit”. My hope is that some day Congress will see the light and you’ll see your dream of being his other half come to fruition. Honestly, don’t you have anything better to do with your time than to trawl the internets looking to defend the apple of your eye?

Heh. Courageous. Now, that’s funny. Everyone’s courageous when they’re sitting safely at home, spouting asinine gibberish through their computer screen. I find “cock slapping” hilarious simply because I doubt it’s physically possible for Goldstein to do any damage to anyone that way.

Pattycake: you’re a lying sack of shit. Sue me, bitch!

Goldstein’s Gannon posts represent only a tiny amount of his cock-fetishing posts. You’re pretending that was the entirety of it, and I made up the rest of the quotes. Conservatives — always evading responsibility!

You’re a fucking liar to claim that the rest of the threats only come from Goldstein’s commenters (who, by the way, you seem to want to get off the hook — why? because they are *worse* than Frisch?) and not from Goldstein himself. Sorry, but he threatened Jesse Taylor, and not in a satirical way. Nor can one honestly say he threatened Kevin K. in a satirical way though that doesnt stop someone as dishonest you who claims that all threats that include the word “cock” are a joking, Swiftian non-threats.

Why are you here? Isn’t this valuable time taken from keenly and obsessively watching the L.A. Times editorial board? Don’t they have a word for that?

Why do you harp so much on KC’s pseudonymity? Do you want to know his name and address so that Pasty’s commenters can be sent to do their thing to him? You do realise that they ask for gas-money first, right? KC isn’t going to be silenced in whatever way for free.

Shorter Retard:

“I only wish I had Jeff Goldstein’s courage. I would never say the shit I say here if people knew who I really am.

“God, I’m a pussy.”

— Retard M. (aka . . . well, I’m scared to say!)

All this talk about my cock is getting me hot.

Man, do I ever love me!

Ermm….. to say that “So-and-So is always talking about his cock” means that the person who notices this is obsessed with cock?

Who knew?

And who knew that we were all obsessed with Jeff Gannon’s cock? Couldn’t have had anything to do with the fact that he had posted photos of it all over the web.

Jeff Goldstein has courage? Don’t make me laugh.

Q: What do you get when you cross “Retardo Montalban” and a vagina?

A: Like, pussy cubed!

Seriously. I’m talking a vagina so big and weak-walled that you could park a Plymouth in it and still have room left over to hold “Eschaton III: Welcome to my buddy’s enormous vagina.”

“Jeff Goldstein has courage? DonÂ’t make me laugh.”

Maybe he does and maybe he doesn’t. All I know is that he has more courage than some gutless wonder calling himself “g” . . . or, for that matter, “Retardo.”

“Well, son, when a daddy loves a mommy very much, he takes his penis and puts it in her Retardo Montalban . . .”

He said, you said, he said, … blah blah fucking blah… for fucks sake shut the fuck up!

“Eschaton III: Welcome to my buddy’s enormous vagina.�

Sounds interesting. Maybe if you beg for just a little more money you’ll be able to afford a ticket.

Shorter Pfc. Leftard:

Oh, me too! I’m a pussy too!

Shorter Retard:

But not as big a pussy as I am!

Shorter Pfc. Leftard:

Agreed.

And if what Frisch said was a threat, so was what was said by either Goldstein or one of his commenters about Thers’s kid.

– I take it you have the IP of this person you alude too, or you have information as to their identity, which is strange because no one else seems to know. Would be helpful if you have such, otherwise it would be equally helpful if you’d stop cranking out the bullshit and rumor mongering to bolster a zero case position Mr. Limewald sockperson. So what about it. Put up or shut up.

Wow. How exactly does one get to be an attorney at the age of nine?

“Sue me, bitch!”

First kc and the Sunshine Band threaten a lawsuit, and now Retard(o).

If these guys had real names I might be nervous, with all these lawsuit threats.

But someone too scared to type his real name into a comment box is probably scared of court. So your threats to sue don’t really scare me, “Mr.” Montalban.

Hmmm…Liberals talking smack about Jeff collecting for legal bills and a server after being stalked by some loony tunes in Oregon and that’s bad. Dr. Coocoo-for-Coacoapuffs spends days begging for free legal advice, free lawyers, raving on and on about mythical money she thinks she is entitled to for her own self-destruction and then also puts up a “tip jar” that everyone is ignoring to the point of embarrassment by it still not so much as having a penny in it, and the Liberals say nothing about it and encourage it.

Yup, never a single Left-Wing blog is written or posted on where their hypocrisy on all levels doesn’t just jump out at you.

It boggles the mind that you guys can actually believe your own crap that you post and say.

i swear to God that if breathing wasn’t an involuntary reflex action, you knuckle-draggers would just plain suffocate.

While Jonathan Swift wasn’t averse to scatological humor for poetic effect, he tended to attract a readership several orders of magnitude smarter than either Pasty or Pasty’s Pet Prosecutor. Jeff is much more amusing when he’s trying to be ‘scholarly’, albeit inadvertently; Pattycakes doesn’t even have that going for him

But, to quote another satirist, difficile est saturam non scribere when surrounded by such specimens.

Shorter ahem:

I too am frightened to post under my own real name. I may not be as big a coward as Retardo, but I run a close second!

So, Patterico. Since posting under a pseudonym is “cowardly”, I assume that, by your own standards, you are a coward?

Greenwald being full of shit: proof he’s a sham.

Greenwald cites Retardo: proof he’s a moron

Greenwald reads Sadly, No!: proof he’s a loser.

Greenwald refers to “Mr. Montalban”; proof he’s trying to make me bust a gut.

If I were still 12, it just might have worked.

Patterico said,

I too am frightened to post under my own real name. I may not be as big a coward as Retardo, but I run a close second!

Jesus, just why do you care whether or not someone posts under their real name? And since when is the validity of an argument or the truth of a statement dependent on the person voicing it? I’m amazed you haven’t already posted “takes one to know one” here.

Been a lurker for a long time and love the site!!! Spot on!!!

Question:

If I’ve dropped my “Official SadlyNo!” butt-plug into the poopoo/peepee water, do I really need to wash it off before I stick it back in?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Of course, the threat comes from a guy named “kc� — someone with even less courage than Jeff Goldstein, who stands behind his comments with a name.

Good LORD. I didn’t think you were THAT oblivious, Patterico.

Let me help you out: Who else has come on to SadlyNo’s comment threads recently and issued a ludicrous lawsuit threat? Hmmm . . .

Once again, the joke’s on you.

Here we go:

Patterico said,

It was, in fact, libelous. I’m not going to sue you, but I *could*. It was a flat-out falsehood.

http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/003226.html

“Seriously. I’m talking a vagina so big and weak-walled that you could park a Plymouth in it and still have room left over to hold “Eschaton III: Welcome to my buddy’s enormous vagina.â€?

Wow Jeff, thats the first dickless post generated from your Klonopin-addled synapses.

Stick with the dickless theme. It suits you.

Can’t believe you guys are still keeping up the lawsuit threats.

If you want to sue, you’ll have to reveal your actual name, showing the courage that Jeff Goldstein shows on a daily basis.

And I can’t believe how oblivious *you* are. Hint: is it bothering you that I’m treating your mentions of a lawsuit as a real threat? Do you find that annoying? Because it wasn’t what you said or meant?

Heh.

It gets old having to explain every joke, and how each and every one of them is on *you*.

You lack not only the personal courage of Jeff Goldstein, but also his speed on the uptake.

Wussier and stupider than Jeff, you are.

Sad, really.

Is there one person willing to grow a pair, step up to the plate, and show the same courage Jeff Goldstein shows every day? After all, you ask him to show more courage in ignoring threats to his child. You ask him to show more courage in signing up for the volunteer army. But something that takes far *less* courage, spewing opinions under a real name . . . as to that, only Jeff seems to have the tiny amount of bravery required. Not one of you does.

Not one.

And certainly not “Retardo,” who would never dare to post this stuff under his real name.

Proving that, whatever Goldstein’s faults, he has more courage than Retardo. And the rest of you.

Shorter MyPetGloat:

I don’t even have the *minimal* courage it takes to insult Jeff Goldstein using my actual name and place of business.

My God, I’m almost as big a coward as “Retardo”!

— MyPetGloat

Patterico on Aug 2 at 2:36: By the way, any of you attacking me with reference to my job, or any of you who attack, say, Goldstein for not signing up to go to war . . . any of you want to take the far less courageous step of telling us your true name and what you do for a living?

Or would you like to continue to hide behind a pseudonym and make childish attacks?

OK, I’ll bite. I’ve been posting under my real name. I’ll save you the Google: I’m an Associate Professor of French Studies at Louisiana State University. I don’t post in my official function, of course, merely as a private citizen, so no complaints about my wasting taxpayer money. I come to Sadly, No! once in a while to indulge my penchant for sophomoric “Shorters,” about which I’m planning to write an article, “The Transcendental Hermeneutics of Blog ‘Shorters’: Just How Short Can They Get?”

I guess I’ve been insulting you, by pointing out that you are a deeply unserious little man to waste your time on this stuff, when, as a lawyer, you could actually help our republic in this dangerous time by engaging in serious debate with Glenn Greenwald about the threats to the Constitution he details in his book. Instead you blither about with this stuff. In other words, you contribute to the republic in your day job. Why not take advantage of your training and your intelligence by tackling Greenwald’s book, instead of his IP address?

If you want to sue, you’ll have to reveal your actual name, showing the courage that Jeff Goldstein shows on a daily basis.

It doesn’t take much courage to use your name when you have nothing (job, career prospects, etc.) to risk? Anyway, Patty, is Pablo a big pussy too? How about Big Bang Hunter? And how much have you donated to the Jeff Goldstein Frivolous Lawsuit Fund? Why aren’t you representing your BFF pro bono so he doesn’t have to beg for money every few weeks?

Move over, Mr. Feith: Patterico is officially the dumbest fucking man on the planet.

Mr. Protevi,

Nice to see someone with balls. It would show more balls still for you to venture into the unfriendly territory of my blog, announce who you are and what you do, and call me a deeply unserious little man there. Feel free to do so. It’s a bit easy here, where all the pseudonymous cowards will agree with you. Tell ’em you came from Retardo’s blog — then register your complaint about my lack of seriousness.

My commenters could explain to you why I don’t discuss Greenwald’s “substance.” (The short answer: his arguments, dishonest as they are, aren’t worth my time. Mocking him with hand puppets is.)

Jon Henke at Q&O has a recent post about his “substance” and its dishonesty. Check it out.

I suspect you’ll decline my invitation and stay on safe ground here, where you’ll encounter few dissenting views. But at least you have more guts than everyone else here.

I won’t debate Greenwald, but I’ll debate you if you like. Unlike Greenwald, you’re not a proven liar. And you’re willing to put your name to your opinions.

Pick a topic. We can do it here, where you’ll have back-up, if you feel you need it, or on my site.

I get to pick a topic too.

Deal?

Patterico, I don’t want to debate YOU, here or anywhere. I don’t want to hear what your readers think. I don’t want to know what X, Y, or Z thinks about Greenwald’s IP address, or his blog, or anything of that sort. I want you to help us understand what’s wrong, if anything, with Greenwald’s book. He claims, in his book, that there is a serious threat to our republic’s institutions. I think he makes a good case, but I’m not a lawyer. I’d like to know what a serious conservative lawyer thinks about the arguments he poses in his book. If you are that person, then please write about his book. Otherwise, if you keep ducking the serious issues that confront our republic, and continue to waste your time and ours about IP addresses, then I’m going to stick with my previous characterization of your blog persona. That is, I think “Patterico,” your blog persona, is a deeply unserious little man. What you are in your private life, I have no idea. I’ll visit your blog again when you write about Greenwald’s book. My previous visits haven’t made it worth my while.

It would show more balls still for you to venture into the unfriendly territory of my blog, announce who you are and what you do, and call me a deeply unserious little man there.

Where, of course, pseudonymous little cowards that frequent Patty’s site, such as Pablo and Big Bang Hunter, will agree that Patty and Jeff are the bestest ever and libtards are sooo stupid.

Patterico said,

I too am frightened to post under my own real name. I may not be as big a coward as Retardo, but I run a close second!

Jesus, just why do you care whether or not someone posts under their real name? And since when is the validity of an argument or the truth of a statement dependent on the person voicing it? I’m amazed you haven’t already posted “takes one to know one� here.

Yes, the reposting is intentional. Since Patterico has apparently commented three times in as many hours and done nothing but praise Jeff’s balls. Well, praise them in two comments and say that John Protevi has more balls than most people here, but not enough balls to post a comment on Patterico’s site. By the way, I’d like to second Protevi’s preference for an actual debunking of Greenwald’s arguments over babbling about sock-puppetry. And balls.

Good GAWD!! Teh Stupid. It BURNS! When you kids are done arguing about who has courage – er, I mean Balls, can I play on the tetherball?

mikey

Still waiting for an answer on the butt-plug thing. Thanks

It’s to be regretted that substance and Pattycakes will never meet. (Nor will the former catch site of Pablo or the other pee-pees). I’d advise John Protevi not to go near chez Patticakes without an anonymous proxy, given his tendency to sniff IP addresses as if they were a stack of dirty underwear. I shall, however, quote a little Swift that seems apposite here:

when a Man’s Fancy gets astride on his Reason, when Imagination is at Cuffs with the Senses, and common Understanding, as well as common Sense, is Kickt out of Doors; the first Proselyte he makes, is Himself, and when that is once compass’d, the Difficulty is not so great in bringing over others; A strong Delusion always operating from without, as vigorously as from within. For, Cant and Vision are to the Ear and the Eye, the same that Tickling is to the Touch. Those Entertainments and Pleasures we most value in Life, are such as Dupe and play the Wag with the Senses. For, if we take an Examination of what is generally understood by Happiness, as it has Respect, either to the Understanding or the Senses, we shall find all its Properties and Adjuncts will herd under this short Definition: That, it is a perpetual Possession of being well Deceived.

In short, Pattycakes is a blissfully happy man.

It would show more balls still for you to venture into the unfriendly territory of my blog, announce who you are and what you do, and call me a deeply unserious little man there. . . . I suspect you’ll decline my invitation and stay on safe ground here, where you’ll encounter few dissenting views.

What a freaking joke. Have we set the bar so low for “balls” that all it takes is leaving a comment on someone else’s blog to earn courage points? What would happen if one of us did that, Patty, would one of your commenters call us “moonbats” and . . . disagree with us? Oh, the horror! I can feel my personal safety being threatened just thinking about it!

Then again, I suppose this kind of melodrama should come as no surprise coming from a side that, on more than one occasion, has put their courage in fighting “the war of ideas” in cyberspace at home on the same level as that of our soldiers actually getting shot at in Iraq.

Please, Patty, whatever else I could say about you, I at least figured you for a fucking adult. Enough with the schoolyard “Come over here and say that!” taunting, and while you’re at it, howsabout you quit trying to use that “anonymous commenters suXXorZ” canard to distract from the fact that your “arguments” in defense of Goldstein have been picked cleaner than a drumstick at Limbaugh’s 4th of July barbecue.

A Big Fan,

That’s a pacifier, silly.

That’s the whole point, Doug with no last name or known job. I have said repeatedly that it doesn’t take all that much courage to post on the Internet using your full name and stating what you do. However, the tiny bit of courage it *does* take . . . you don’t have it, buddy. Jeff G. does, and you don’t. That’s all.

John,

You could pick something from the book if you like. I’m not reading Greenwald’s book and I’m not responding to it. He’s dishonest in innumerable ways and isn’t worth my time — other than to make fun of him. If his book is anything like his blog, it’s full of distortions, half-truths, and broad-brush characterizations (you know, like tarring me with the alleged view of certain unnamed conservatives who aren’t me, as has happened in recent comments).

I’m not a FISA expert. The limited posting I have done on it has simply noted the convincing arguments by liberals like Cass Sunstein that the NSA data mining was authorized by Congress. I also think there are non-frivolous arguments to the contrary.

I discuss serious issues in depth on my site all the time. If you’re genuinely interested, I can e-mail you some links.

By the way, I don’t discount all pseudonymous comments. But I have nothing but contempt for those like “Retardo,” who hide behind a pseudonym and won’t ever tell us their real names or jobs — and use their anonymity to take cheap shots at the *courage* of people who disclose their names and what they do for a living. Comments to the effect that Goldstein needs to “grow a pair” and ignore Frisch’ s accusations of child molestation, or that he should sign up for combat — well, those are comical coming from people too cowardly even to say who they are.

You don’t do that, John. But an awful lot of people here do. And whatever they think of Jeff Goldstein, they are undeniably less courageous than he is, in this respect.

John,

The offer stands. Pick a topic you think is important — even one from Greenwald’s book — and I’ll give you a response.

I clown and antagonize here because it’s the ethos, and because I have genuine contempt for people who hide behind anonymity to take cheap shots at real people. But I am civil to those who deserve it. And I’m always looking for new lefty commenters on my site. If they’re respectful, I insist that my commenters be respectful to them. (I’m not civil to everyone; only those whom I think deserve it.)

Standing invitation remains open, if you really want to talk issues.

P

Oh: anonymous Doug?

I’m saying it all over here. I’m just saying that it takes a bit more to wade into unfriendly territory. I’m doing it here, and holding my own just fine. I wonder if anyone here has the stones to wander over to my place, stand your ground, and argue your points.

I’ll even give you an unfair advantage: if you’re civil, I’ll make sure people over there are civil to you.

Extra courage points for using your own name and telling people what you do.

Anyone?

P

Patterico, thanks for the invitation. I will visit some day soon. JP

Yes, after going back over this thread and re-reading your witty, trenchant barbs such as “pussy,” “coward,” “grow a pair” &c., I’ve concluded that you’re exactly the kind of person who instigates reasoned, thoughtful debates. I’ve also concluded that your standards for bravery are airtight.

So you’re “saying it all over here” and you “waded into unfriendly territory.” Whoop-de-goddamn-do. You’re not going up in the space shuttle or wading into a firefight in Tikrit, kemosabe, you’re leaving comments on a blog (and mostly asinine ones at that), so quit acting like you deserve the fucking Congressional Medal of Honor.

Just out of curiosity, if I’m leaving my actual first name on here, how the hell does that qualify me as “anonymous Doug,” or are you one of the special kids? By the way, if you click on my name, it takes you to my blog, where you can find my full name and even a crappy picture of myself! I find that publicly displaying this information is an excellent way of maintaining complete and total anonymity, don’t you?

You know, Patterico (your Christian name, yes?), I try not to be one of those people who doesn’t slag off every single conservative as a complete and utter moron out of hand, I really try, but you’re making it really difficult.

Patterico says:
I have genuine contempt for people who hide behind anonymity to take cheap shots at real people

Say now, that’s no way to talk about Pablo. He’s been nothing but a friend to you.

This lying arsehole, Patterico, is a crown attorney? Seriously? Do you people actually have a process by which your judiciary is held accountable, or did that somehow get flushed down the toilet with the rest of your Constitution?

You know, Patterico (your Christian name, yes?),

Sadly, No!

Which makes his pseudo-macho posturings even more laughable than they currently are. Patterico, I really don’t care what you call yourself. I don’t care much what you consider “balls” to be. Frankly, I wish you the best of luck in your new heroic, ball-filled career of leaving comments on an internet site, where people, god forbid, might disagree with you, or, shock horror of horrors, might even say nasty things. But please, please don’t pretend, after a good couple of days of simply saying “I don’t know your name, you pussy”, you have any actual credibility left here at this point. So I shouldn’t be surprised if everyone mocks you (again, god forbid). You really haven’t done anything that would dissuade someone from mocking you.

Let us remind ourselves of what Bill Shakespeare had to say:

“A Patterico by any other name would still be a flaming hypocrite.”

That may, of course, be a paraphrase.

P.S. I’m sure I’m a “pussy” or “anonymous” for having a pseudonym of my own, which is of course the root of all evil. I’m sure God listed it as the eleventh commandment, but Moses wasn’t listening by then because he was inhaling the fumes of the burning bush, that hippy bastard. Having already addressed that, what else do you actually have to say, Patterico?

– All this back and forth is total bullshit. Still waiting for Retard to post that info, and back up his comments.

Who are you?

My dad used to call me this sometimes when I was a kid.

BWAH HA HA HA HA HA HA *wipes tears*

gotta love it.

Doug,

You make two excellent points that support my positions.

First: it takes little courage to comment on a blog using your real name and stating your profession.

Indeed. Wipe the spittle from your chin and re-read my comments, and you might even find I’ve made this exact point . . . several times.

You’re missing only the next step, which is: Retardo and the other anonymous folks here don’t even have *that* teensy tiny amount of courage. Jeff Goldstein has it. You apparently have it.

Retardo? Nope.

Second point: you note that anyone who reads your blog can easily divine your true name. Good for you. I don’t research the commenters here, but now that you point that out (and I trust you) I retract my characterization of you as anonymous.

If a regular reader of yours will know your name, then you don’t qualify for the “Not as Brave as Jeff Goldstein” award.

(There’s a verrrrry subtle hint in there for the bwa-ha-ha’ers. (I thought Gavin and Brad said “Bwa-ha-ha” was a *right-wing* thing. Oh well.))

But Retardo qualifies for the award. Big-time.

P.S. Doug, do you list your profession on your site? Everyone here seems to know mine. We know John P.’s. What’s yours?

P.P.S. I instigate reasoned, thoughtful debates with reasonable, thoughtful people. You might be such a person; I don’t know.

Kathleen:

You haven’t actually read my post on Greenwald’s sock-puppetry, have you? Nor has . . .

Freshly Squeezed Cynic:

“IÂ’m sure IÂ’m a “pussy” or “anonymous” for having a pseudonym of my own, which is of course the root of all evil.”

Nah. Having a pseudonym is peachy, my friend. But if you have ever questioned Jeff Goldstein’s courage — claimed, for example, that he should “grow a pair” and ignore Frisch, or sign up for the all-volunteer army — then I simply point out that he has the guts to attach his name to his opinions and you don’t. As Doug notes, we’re not talking about a lot of courage. To the contrary, we’re talking about a teeny amount — that you lack. And that Jeff G. has.

Note that listing your profession does actually take a bit of courage, as there are always anonymous folks like Mal de Mer who make insinuations about how you should lose your job for your political opinions. It’s not the first time I’ve seen such crap, and it won’t be the last.

Anyway, Doug, not only do I try to initiate reasoned debate, I also will tone it down and *initiate* the process of civility. Often I’m slapped down when I try, just surprisingly often, I’m not. I did the same thing with John P., who called me a “deeply unserious little man” but seems to have agreed to debate me in a civil fashion in the future.

I’m trying to tone it down with you, too, and give you a chance to enter a civil dialogue. How this effort is met is up to you.

But some people don’t deserve that — notably, “Retardo.” He hides behind a pseudonym and takes dishonest potshots at the courage of people with the guts to use their real names, like Jeff Goldstein. That’s how you know Retardo is a putz who earns no civility. It takes so little courage for him to use his own name — yet he doesn’t even have that piddling, tiny amount of bravery. What a freaking wuss.

We liked you better when you were posting drunk, Pattycakes. At least you were honest. The sanctimony’s dripping like a bad makeup job in the rain.

Note that Pattycakes’ tactics are exactly those used by Pasty in his flailing attempt to procure information about Thers. None being forthcoming, he set his little goblins to work.

You and your internet-friends cannot be fucking trusted with people’s personal information. You cannot be fucking trusted not to ruin people’s lives. You have proved yourself to be giggling exploitative shitbags.

Oh, and courage isn’t measured by attaching your inside leg measurements and video of your last endoscope to your opinions. It’s measured by the extent to which you’re not a disingenuous liar. Meaning that Pasty and you fail that test.

“We liked you better when you were posting drunk, Pattycakes. At least you were honest. The sanctimony’s dripping like a bad makeup job in the rain.”

What, you want me to call you a “pussy” too, Senor Anonymous? No need. It’s quite clear.

But Retardo is still a bigger pussy than you, ahem.

kc:

“Say now, that’s no way to talk about Pablo. He’s been nothing but a friend to you.”

Has the Sunshine Band prepared your lawsuit yet, oh thou commenter lacking in Jeff Goldstein’s courage?

Note that Pattycakes’ tactics are exactly those used by Pasty in his flailing attempt to procure information about Thers.

Is that the guy whose used his vaunted position in academia as his sole means of attack, but refused to reveal his position in the ivory towers? Is that the same Thers that shut his blog down rather than reveal the IP address of the pervert poster, then continued to accuse PW of making the post, all the while opening a series of shiny new blogs using exactly the same fucking psuedonym that was so outrageously revealed?

I am still confused by why he shut his first blog down it he was going to keep blogging as Thers.

Must be some more of that reality based shit that is always confusing me.

“Of course if Goldstein really wanted some adventure, he could go to the recruiting office, but — hahahahaha — everyone knows that ain’t gonna happen.” — Retardo

Of course if Retardo really wanted to do something far less brave than signing up for a war, he could tell us his real name, like Jeff Goldstein does . . . but — hahahahaha — everyone knows that ain’t gonna happen.

You know, because he’s a pussy.

“On the other hand, there is something wrong with being a chickenhawk coward, a paste-eating cretin, and a talentless hack.” — Retardo

This is rich. A “chickenhawk coward” — this coming from a guy who is such a huge pussy that he won’t even disclose his name. As Doug noted, posting shit on the Internet is “not going up in the space shuttle or wading into a firefight in Tikrit.” It takes relatively little courage to do.

Yet “Retardo” lacks it.

And he still feels qualified to judge Jeff Goldstein’s courage, calling him a “chickenhawk coward.”

This is why “Retardo” is so richly deserving of contempt.

Pfc. Leftard said,

August 2, 2006 at 21:34

A Big Fan,

That’s a pacifier, silly

For you maybe, I just use ’em to keep the oatmeal in.

Patterico:

Has the Sunshine Band prepared your lawsuit yet,

No, dumb-ass. I had no intention of suing you – it was a play on your own risible threat to sue one of the SN! bloggers. How quickly you forget . . .

Maybe I should have thrown in a “cock” reference, or a sister-molesting crack – you know, your kind of humor – to make sure you got it. Maybe something like – “Sure, you’ll find out my real name – when I serve you with a summons, along with my COCK!”

Patterico, a quick review of your blog comments reveals the following commenters who are, in your own laughable parlance, “huge pussies” and “pseudonymous cowards”:

Polybius
Gotta Know
Loafing Oaf
Dwilkers
Bilgeman
Freedom Fan

And of course: Xlrq.

And that’s just one thread.

Do your commenters know that you hold them in such low esteem? That you have, how did you put it? “utter contempt” for them?

Tsk.

Q: Why did “Retardo Montalban” cross the road?

A: Because he heard Glenn Greenwald yelling, “here, pussy pussy pussy!”

so was what was said by either Goldstein or one of his commenters about Thers’s kid.

Can’t be backed up, but so what? As long as it tars those you hate it serves it’s purpose. Right Retardo?

a sister-molesting crack

Now don’t worry, some day a woman will let you touch them in their secret places too. When they consent, it isn’t molesting. It’s sex.

“No, dumb-ass. I had no intention of suing you – it was a play on your own risible threat to sue one of the SN! bloggers. How quickly you forget . . .”

I have no intention of ceasing to pretend that you really are suing me. It’s a play on SN commenters’ own risible decision to treat an express disclaimer of an intent to sue, as a threat to sue.

And I even explained this to you above:

And I can’t believe how oblivious *you* are. Hint: is it bothering you that I’m treating your mentions of a lawsuit as a real threat? Do you find that annoying? Because it wasn’t what you said or meant?

Heh.

It gets old having to explain every joke, and how each and every one of them is on *you*.

But it’s even worse when I *explain* it, and you *still* don’t get it.

“Do your commenters know that you hold them in such low esteem? That you have, how did you put it? “utter contemptâ€? for them?”

If any of my commenters were to dishonestly question the courage of a person with the guts to use their real name, I would deem those commenters pussies, just as Retardo is (as real person Jeff G points out) a rather giant pussy.

But my commenters don’t do that. Your hero Retardo does.

The pussy.

The real issue, Jeff G, is whether a douche like Greenwald helps a pussy like Retardo stay fresh.

Knock Knock

Who’s there?

A big giant pussy.

Oh! Hey, “Retardo”! Come on in! We’re just about to start watching a Nora Ephron movie!

– Since Retard is one of Limewald Sockpersons Socks, I’m sure he has to at least launder him once a week.

– Still waiting for that IP Retardo, or is this like one of those Rove indictment things?

The real issue, Jeff G, is whether a douche like Greenwald helps a pussy like Retardo stay fresh.

Would he use it like a nasal spray? I think that would work wonders.

Lordy, it’s the Fox All-Star Viewer Panel.

Still, I suppose it’s better for Pattycakes and the Pastemongers to get collectively wasted on Everclear via the internets than do it alone.

Oh, and Pattycakes? Check your voicemail at work tomorrow.

“Oh, and Pattycakes? Check your voicemail at work tomorrow.”

Deb? Is that you?

“Oh, and Pattycakes? Check your voicemail at work tomorrow.”

Ooh, a real-life threat from the left!

Y’all proud of your stalker-boy “ahem”?

Ahem is Deb…furthering her drive towards self-destruction. I’m sure this is really helping your case, huh Deb? Now leaving voice messages? Everytime I think a human can’t get any stupider…

No, “ahem” has been around this blog for a while. It’s Deb-like behavior — stalking — but it ain’t her.

She must be so proud. Her own little progeny. Is ahem going for it’s worthless PhD. as well? It guarantees a job where you get to say, “Hi, and welcome to WalMart.”

This is rich. A “chickenhawk coward� — this coming from a guy who is such a huge pussy that he won’t even disclose his name. As Doug noted, posting shit on the Internet is “not going up in the space shuttle or wading into a firefight in Tikrit.� It takes relatively little courage to do.

This is why “Retardo� is so richly deserving of contempt.

As it happens my computer translates from Batshit — this is what it came up with:

“Retardo, in projecting everything I, Pasty, and Pasty’s cretins have ever done and said in generla and unto you and S,N!’s commenters, I’m revealing myself as the hugest fuckfaced douchebag in the history of the universe, and as I repeatedly soil myself in this comments section, let me again add: if you, Retardo, do not reveal your real name and address so that “Vercingetorix” or “Pablo” can come beat you to death with axehandles, YOU’RE a pussy, meanwhile Jeff Goldstein goes on with his affectation that he’s the equivalent of a soldier — even, in his latest stab at macho bullshit, quoting MacArthur — which proves what courage he has; why, he’s practically on the front lines!”

“Also, if you make a joke about *my* threats to sue, I’ll pretend that you’re seriously threatening a lawsuit, because I’m willfully dense like that, being as I am one of Count Cockula’s ‘familiars’, and, well, I can say with authority that he really sucks as hard as he blows.”

“Cheers, Pattycake”

Wow, technology works wonders. Perfect translation! Oh wait, I gotta make it artistic, comedy genius a la Protein Wisdom: “Perfect translation!” There. Now that’s gilding the lily!

Pasty: chickenhawk coward weenie puny little cry-baby wahwahwah please send him money he’s so scared of the STALKER!!! Meanwhile the cash goes to the axe-handle slush fund; Mike Patterico, Treasurer? It is a mystery!

Drunk much, Retardo?

wow, i just read through this whole thread. some weird shit. leaving me with several conclusions (these are expert opinions, I have a Ph.D. in cognitive psychology with an emphasis in psycholinguistics, so I am a trained language analyst) :
1. Some of you are obsessed with pussy – pattiolancoal, or whatever, apparently views everyone around him, male and female, as a giant pussy. Imagine how debilitating this condition must be – walks into his local WalMart to get the cheetos, or whatever, and rather than seeing the sweet face of that 75 year old greeter, he sees a human size, in this case probably shriveled and puckered, pussy. Everywhere he goes, there they are, McDonalds, burger king, wendys – I believe someone noted the annual Star Trek convention, where he would see a whole room full of them, his weekly Amway meeting, pussies, pussies, everywhere. My diagnosis – he isn’t getting any. Prescription – mercy fuck. Someone’s got to do it people.

Interestingly, there is one person he doesn’t see as a giant pussy, and that would be this Jeff G that he refers to. From what i gather, he views Geff (or whatever) as this huge, massive penis, rather than a pussy. Freud had much to say about this, of course, and based on my expert analysis of P.’s writing, here’s what i think happened:

Pouterico was up late one night reading this Geff blog, eating a pepperoni pizza, and watching, for the 48th time, the return of the Jedi. Drifting off to sleep, he experienced some dream state melding of the feelings he was having for his hero, jeff, the revelation that Darth Vadar was really Luke’s father, and his recently consumated personal massage in honor of the Princess Leia. So, we have the father figure, the hard on, the woman, and the rest of it – a perfect opportunity for transference of the oedipal complex, as the psychodynamic neofreudians would call it, and viola, geff is now, in pueblotica’s mind, the giant penis.
Of course, most of us realized long ago that jeff was a giant penis.

Retardo, just so you know; there are people out in the vast confines of the blogosphere that read the ENTIRE exchange between thers and JG, including seeing the pathetic threat left by an unknown commenter on thers’ site, the automatic assumption that it HAD to have come from JG or his commenters, (because we all know that the left NEVER uses sock puppets to bolster claims on their own site to recieve sympathy; right Greenwald?), and the repeated requests from JG and others for thers’ to provide the IP of the commenter, and the utter denial of these requests to back up the slanderous lies you and your ilk were slinging at Jeff culmonating in thers’ shutting down his site.

And these people I speak of have seen you twist the story to an outright lie, with the hopes that, if you simply repeated it enough, it would soon become fact.

You claim that Jeff deserves the comments frish left about his family and site your bullshit rendition of the thers story as proof, hoping in your little mind that no one remembers what actually happened. Well, we do know the truth, and can see you for the petty coward you are, to falsify events to prove a ridiculous point so you can be in the center of a SN circle jerk once again.

And while I do hold you in contempt for your pathetic choices, I cannot help but feel sorry for you; it must be terrible to need attention and admiration so much that you would stoop to subhuman lengths to obtain it.

So please, seek help, retardo. A man who can honestly not see that his posting on someone’s lack of courage concerning volunteering to fight a war or ignoring a mentally deranged pedophile’s overt threats using a fake name is anything other than the very defination of Irony is in serious need of counseling.

Well, counseling, and maybe for someone to tell him that renaming someone ‘pasty’ or ‘pattycakes’ in order to cut them down is about as professional and adult as using multiple aliases to rain praise on yoursel….

….nevermind.

Travis

“I have a Ph.D. in cognitive psychology with an emphasis in psycholinguistics, so I am a trained language analyst”

Greenwald, I thought we told you: stop pretending to be educated in order to attack people you disagree with; it’s pathetic.

…at least, I sincerely hope that’s what is going on here. I mean, there’s no way an acutal PhD would write something as blatently frivilous as that.

I am starting to think Retardo may be Amanda Marcotte, they both spend all their time argueing with their own fantasies of the other side.

….if you, Retardo, do not reveal your real name and address so that “Vercingetorixâ€? or “Pabloâ€? can come beat you to death with axehandles, YOU’RE a pussy…

….Pasty: chickenhawk coward weenie puny little cry-baby wahwahwah please send him money he’s so scared of the STALKER!!!

And of course the complete lack of irony.

Exactly what is it about my name that you fucking retards find pseudonymous?

Pablo. P-A-B-L-O. Pablo.

Now, I’ve seen stupid, and I’ve seen really fucking stupid, and I’ve seen extraordinarily bone shaking stupid (of course, that last one was here). I’ve seen fire and I’ve seen rain. I’ve seen sunny days that I thought would never end. I’ve seen lonely times when I could not find a friend. But I never thought I’d see you kids bring cowardice and stupidity to entirely new depths the way you have here.

Is this Fantasy Island for the sub-40 IQ crowd, Retardo?

“Drool, everyone, drool! Our guests are arriving!”

B Moe! Dude! How am I this morning?

Oh now I see that Pattycakes has been really busy. What, so now TBOGG’s name’s gonna be added to a Nixonesque axehandles shitlist? I wonder just how long it’ll be before one of you clay-eating white trash fuckwits tries to get him fired or tries to fuck with his family on the “justified” grounds that he calls Michelle Malkin on her lying bullshit, because that is the only possible reason why you idiots want “real names”, not that most “real names” would do you any good.

As for “Pablo” — what the hell is that? It might as well be “Jeff’s Semen Receptacle” so vague and general it is without a last name.

Not that I want to know your name. Identity is identity on the net. If it makes you feel better, you can call me John Smith — what difference does it make? How do you know that’s not my real name? How do I know that Pablo is your real first name? As long as the identity is constant — and mine is and has been for years — it doesnt matter what the name is. My picture’s been put on this blog and others several times. I claim my work. If that ain’t good enough, then sorry, you’re just as huge a whiny titty baby as Jeff Goldstein. Well, okay, I’m sorry; no one’s that pathetic. But you’re close.

Wow, it looks like Patty’s really on the disclose-your-identity kick these days. Have your ID card ready, and make sure your papers are in order! Don’t turn around (oh-OH-ohhh) when Der Kommissar’s in town!

One last comment from me on this, Patty, because you’ve already done a tip-top job of making yourself look like an idiot I’m kind of reaching the point where the law of diminishing returns kicks in with respect to my contribution to the effort — but if you’ve decided that your chosen mission in life is a crusade against anonymous blog commenters, guess what? You’re going to be pushing that rock up the hill for a long, long time. And furthermore, anyone who goes by the handle Patterico and states on their blog that they’re “not tellin'” who they are has no business whatsoever leading that crusade in the first place. Nobody owes you a full rundown of their name, place of residence, job, serial number, marital status, favorite flavor of ice cream, etc. etc., so quit acting like you’re the Caped Anti-Anonymous Crusader of the blogosphere. Do you really want to reveal to the world that you have nothing better to do than that?

Anyway, you and Jeff go have a grand old time engaging in another “You suck”/”No, YOU suck!” slapfight with whomever. I think I’ve said my piece.

All these comments, and still no IP, huh Retardo. Not looking too good sport.

keep on spinning, retardo.

seriously dude, get help.

Now, before you start using sock puppets to sling your vile ignorance.

T.Monroe, Big Bang Hunter, et al.,

I’m going to generously assume you’re all human, and none of you are Patterico. Nonetheless, like it or not, your infantile, near-parroted defenses of the indefensible have reduced all of you, in fact, to nothing more than living, breathing sock puppets. Congratulations for giving us yet another textbook example of “projection”.

Retardo Montalban said,

How do you know that’s not my real name?

Thank you, I was having a shitty start to my day, this should leave me with a smile on my face for the rest of the week.

In your effort to out-stupid Pattycakes, you left out this part:

you can call me John Smith …How do you know that’s not my real name?

there’s dumb and then there’s B. Moe clueless fucktard dumb.

This lying arsehole, Patterico, is a crown attorney? Seriously? Do you people actually have a process by which your judiciary is held accountable, or did that somehow get flushed down the toilet with the rest of your Constitution?

What, you are scanadalized to find that a lying arsehole can be appointed assistant prosecutor?

These very poorly paid positions are filled with hacks and the wayward children and nephews of Judges and prominant attorneys. You can tell when the father went to Stanford and the son has a correspondence degree and took the bar exam five time before passing how he got the job.

Being incompetent schmucks fully half of them become lying, systematically dishonest schmucks so that they can keep up their prosecution success rates and keep their jobs.

Maybe 30% are top notch attorneys going on to better things, but those guys are detested by the good ol’ boys.

PS — Just because I know it makes you cry by the bucketfull:

Jeff Goldstein is *still* the biggest chickenhawk coward weenie alive! Bawk Bawk Bawk! I’m flappin my arms in mockery of you, Pasty!

BAWK BAWK BAWK!!!

Careful observers will note Retardo refuses to answer if he is Amanda Marcottes strap-on or not.

Patterico:

“By the way, any of you attacking me with reference to my job, or any of you who attack, say, Goldstein for not signing up to go to war . . . any of you want to take the far less courageous step of telling us your true name and what you do for a living?

Anyone?

Or would you like to continue to hide behind a pseudonym and make childish attacks?

After all, what kind of courage does it take to step up to the plate and spew some opinions on the Internet using your real name? Very little, I’d say. So anyone here want to show even that small amount of courage — something Goldstein does every day?

That’s what I thought.”

Shorter Patterico:

It is clear that Jeff Goldstein and I both have bigger cocks than those pussies Hamilton, Madison and Jay.

Still waiting for Patterico to actually debunk — with REAL facts, in context — anything that Glenn Greenwald or TBogg says.

Or will he continue with his pussy obsession that he shares with Bush pére et fils?

[…] So I have this new theory: there is no person named “Patterico.” Instead, I think “Patterico” is a blogging robot who is under the command of various gnomes and/or leprechauns who are constantly fighting to be in control of pulling his levers and dictating what he gets to say. How else to explain the bizarre cognitive dissonance between this statement: Anyway, Doug, not only do I try to initiate reasoned debate, I also will tone it down and *initiate* the process of civility. […]

Pablo once gave the name and address of a complete stranger pretending it was him, just so he could look tough.

I’m new to this thread, so let me make sure I get this straight. Patterico is roundly praising Jeff Goldstein’s boy-parts because Jeff has the, well, boy-parts to go online, on the Internet, from the safety of his computer, where he’s on the Internet and not, say, talking directly to someone, and say stuff attributed to his own name.

Patterico is then accusing people of having girl-parts, or being girl-parts, because they go online, on the Internet, from the safety of their computer, where they’re on the Internet and not, say, talking directly to someone, and say stuff attributed to a consistently-used but pseudonymous name.

And Patterico is doing all of these things online, on the Internet, from the safety of his computer, where he’s on the Internet and not, say, talking directly to someone, and is saying stuff attributed to a consistently-used but pseudonymous name.

So, on a Testicular Fortitude scale wherein blogging with name ranks, say, 14 out of 100 and blogging with pseudonym ranks, say, 12 our of 100, Patterico has (pseudnomyously) left thirty-seven comments praising Jeff Goldstein and bitching out Sadly No commenters for what amounts to a deck chair off the bow of the Titanic? Oh, my freaking God.

She says pseudonymously. Woooo…

So what, exactly, is “courageous” about using your real name on the Internet? What is the risk that you “courageously” assume?

Is it the risk that some stupid Internet troll with nothing better to do will try to fuck with your family or job? Assuming that type of risk isn’t “courageous.” It’s more like “stupid.”

This business of taunting people to do something stupid just to prove their manhood is something most of us left behind on the playground years ago. Except I say that without really believing it, because my experience with supposedly grown-up professionals in the real world – and I’m in the same line of work as Patterico – suggests to me that a lot of people revert to high school-level horseshit at the first opportunity. Seriously, you haven’t lived until you’ve seen two high-powered attorneys, in the course of arguing over something as consequential as extending a filing deadline, challenge each other to “take it outside.”

Oh, another advantage of being anonymous on the Internet is that apparently you can threaten to molest someone’s kid, and people like BBH will idiotically insist that maybe you’re a sockpuppet who threatened to molest his own kid for sympathy. That’s an advantage I’d surely be loath to give up.

[…] ETA: Oh, Jesus. He’s doing it again. And he’s even comparing threats of cock-slapping to Swift. And you know how I feel about that. […]

Hi. I’m a lurker here, but I’d just like to mention, under my own name, that Jonathan Swift published much of his work under pen names or anonymously. The pussy.

And still no IP, or name. From which its clear that you have nothing, blowing smoke out your ass.

Hi, Patrick. My name’s Reba. I’m a Mom. Does that make me not a pussy? Or is mom not a good enough job to qualify? Why don’t I give my full name? Because I’m a GOOD mom and protecting my children from batshit crazy morons is more important than whether or not some dipshit on the internet thinks I have “balls” enough to live up to the standards of a whiny punk who cannot handle a reasonable intellectual conversation without devolving into threats or mentioning what he plans to do with his anatomy (something for which any good mom punishes her child and explains how incredibly rude and stupid such behavior is). I also don’t mention it because I really, really, really don’t want to pull the weaponry off the wall when some anonymous commenter on YOUR blog decides that they need to come after me for not agreeing with absofuckinglutely everything their golden idol spews forth. No offense, but I don’t agree with ANYONE all the time. I’m high maintenance that way.

Am I brave now? Does what I say mean more because I tell you who I am and what I do? Why? What could possibly make you attribute courage to someone for merely speaking their name. My husband had courage when he served in the military. He has courage when he goes to work every day trying to keep this country safe. I had courage when I decided to bear children and raise them according to our beliefs. My mom has courage because she continues to fight her illnesses and try to adjust to life in a wheelchair instead of giving up. My son has courage when he stands up to those who want to make fun of him for his disability. My sister has the courage to start and run a multi-faceted business that still lets her sip coffee on the farm. My neighbor had the courage to take a trucking job when the auto plant laid off two shifts of workers – even though it means he only sees his family a couple of days a week. The old lady across the street had the courage to pull it together when her husband of 46 years died and her kids wanted her to give up her house. My friend had enough courage to agree to take care of her mother with Alzheimer’s at home, instead of putting her in some facility. These are real people with real courage that they show every day. And you think that using your real name on your blog shows courage? Please, by all that is good and holy, find a new argument. The current one is sad.

Big Bang Hunter (what happened to “American Son”, btw?), how do you feel about Patterico and Goldstein calling you a pussy?

Is that the guy whose used his vaunted position in academia as his sole means of attack, but refused to reveal his position in the ivory towers? Is that the same Thers that shut his blog down rather than reveal the IP address of the pervert poster, then continued to accuse PW of making the post, all the while opening a series of shiny new blogs using exactly the same fucking psuedonym that was so outrageously revealed?

I am still confused by why he shut his first blog down it he was going to keep blogging as Thers.

Oh, cut the crap.

First of all, I never used my academic credentials as the “means of attack.” I used invective and namecalling! Sarcasm! Litodes! And like that. Feel free to ransack the Google cache of my old blog to prove that I was repeatedly citing my credentials.The “he cited his credentials!” nonsense is part of the mythology you lunatics have developed to justify your Junior Wingnut Detective Outing Squad nonsense.

Second, as I said at the time about the commenter who insulted my daughter: “Upon final thought I do think it was one of his commenters who said it, but that’s not reflective of anything or anyone beyond the fact that whoever said it is a sick little bastard who deserves scorn. And I have no desire to think about this any further.” In light of this, the demand for the IP was silly. I was never entirely clear on why it made any difference if I supplied an IP address to prove a point about a matter I considered closed and said didn’t matter and blamed nobody but the poster of the comment for anyway. (And the likelihood is that it was a JG partisan making the comment; the claims that I made it up are pretty stupid, frankly, and say a lot about the mentality of those who masturbated themselves into suggesting them.)

Third, the hilarious punchline is that when I did get an actual threat to my family on my new blog, a threat that used the personal information JG had solicited and then posted, Blogger finally told me they wouldn’t release the IP without a subpoena! Isn’t that just too funny?

But if all your snivelling about the IP makes it cool for you that JG broke his very public pledge, good for you!

Why did I shut down the old blog? Because my family was involved; that JG had deliberately made my wife part of the games was pretty disgusting. And what was essentially a stupid blogfight had gotten far out of hand.

You people are utter cretins.

Blogger finally told me they wouldn’t release the IP without a subpoena! Isn’t that just too funny?

Fair enough. Then why is Sockpuppet Retardo running around posting crap he can’t possibly know?

This patterico guy is really, really pathetic. He cannot stick to an argument, moving the goal posts constantly and making the most bizarre accusations, out of thin air.

My God, how desperate LA must be for prosecutors, if this is the caliber of attorney it would hire. If you have criminal tendencies and a halfway decent defense attoryney, by all means, go to L.A. and indulge yourself. You’re scot-free going up against this guy.

No private firm would hire anyone this obtuse. They need to make money. Not lose it. What does it say when he’s too foolish even to be the kind who shuffles wills and the odd contract all day? Or maybe that’s where he was relegated, if he ever did work at a big firm, and his overweening sense of entitlement told him that he was “too good” for that kind of work–rather than having risen to the level of his incompetence.

You know, BigBangHunter, Pablo and BMoe are all the same person. And until he/she/it provides me with separate IP addresses to prove otherwise, they lose and I win. Times infinity. Squared.

That’s nice Dobby. If you and the rest of Mrs. Horesheads 7th grade homeroom want to spend your time playing childish games, that’s your business. I’m just interested in one thing.

Mr. Retardo posted the ongoing lie/rumor that “Frisch’s attacks on Jeff’s kiddo is offset by a like attack from Jeff or one of his commentators�. 24 hours ago I told him if he has the IP or name to put up or shut up, and I’ve repeated that callout several times since, ignoring all the bullshit name calling.

Since then Nada. Lying liars, telling lies.

As Thers said, obviously the likelihood is that it was one of Jeff’s commentors. Any honest person would admit that.

Steve. It’s just as obvious that a backer of Ther’s realized his Pubah had jumped the shark, and decided to poison the well as a good “CYA” tactic. Any honest person would admit that.

Yeah, that’s just as likely. 50% of all nasty insults on the Internet are actually due to sockpuppeting. When you see a nasty insult, you honestly have no idea whether it’s from someone who hates the recipient, or someone who likes the recipient! It’s just as likely to be either!

Exactly. My only interest in this entire mess is not seeing the overall Blogsphere reduced to a joke by a handfull of bottom feeders. I want the dimwits that resort to attacks on children as a “tactic” exposed, whoever they are. the MSM would just love to see the whole net distroyed as a competitor. It’s their only hope. We’d be consumate fools if we let that happen.

When you see a nasty insult, you honestly have no idea whether it’s from someone who hates the recipient, or someone who likes the recipient!

That said, I am positive that BigBangHunter is also Deb Frisch. Prove me wrong.

Dobby. She wears her hair differently than me, and I don’t own a banjo.

Yeah, that’s just as likely. 50% of all nasty insults on the Internet are actually due to sockpuppeting. When you see a nasty insult, you honestly have no idea whether it’s from someone who hates the recipient, or someone who likes the recipient! It’s just as likely to be either!

I prefer to use the 1% doctrine. If there’s a 1% chance that someone is sock puppetting, then we have to assume that person is sock puppet. The risks to the blogosphere are too great otherwise.

It’s like Occam’s razor for morons.

Steve. It’s just as obvious that a backer of Ther’s realized his Pubah had jumped the shark, and decided to poison the well as a good “CYA� tactic.

Actually not. In fact, it’s much more likely that one of Goldstein’s commenters decided to come up with the nastiest thing he could think of and posted it rather than this convoluted agent provacateur theory. It’s a much more straightforward explanation, and the sexual nature of the comment comports much more closely with the tone of the posts and comments at Protein Wisdom than with those at Thersites’ old blog.

Posting something as “likely” is an entirely different bucket of frisch than posting it as fact, when you know damn well you don’t know.

You’re right. How dare he draw the most reasonable inference and assert it without lengthy caveats and disclaimers? The nerve!

So then what you’re saying is the Left lacks the fundemental ability to seperate facts from opinions. Did I get that right?

Listen, Big Bang Hunter, you’ve only got four weeks before 11th grade, so I’d suggest you get crackin’ on those IP addresses – not to mention your summer book reports.

Careful dobby.That’s my kids IP you tracked. You wouldn’t want to be counted as one of the bottom feeders now would you. Best to just sit quietly while the adults discuss things.

So lets review. You post a self serving opinion as fact. You get called on it, with all the time in the world to post supportive “evidence”, and your best response is childish ad hominems and IP tracking of the protagonists child. Then you wonder why you have a “not serious people” sign hanging around your necks. Pretty lame, by any sane measure. Good luck with that kids.

Careful observers will note Retardo refuses to answer if he is Amanda Marcottes strap-on or not.

Amanda & Retardo: Pegging Right-wingers since 2003.

To what degree of certainty must you know something before it can be treated as fact?

It’s not a self-serving opinion, silly. It’s the most likely explanation. “Apples are delicious” is an opinion. “That apple fell from that tree” is a reasonable inference. Do you understand the difference?

Careful observers will note Retardo refuses to answer if he is Amanda Marcottes strap-on or not.

Amanda & Retardo: Pegging Right-wingers since 2003.

Can I be the rabbit?

When the apple does, in fact, fall from the tree; ie you have a name or an IP, or any sort of idea of who the perp is, then you can state a fact.

Until then you’re speculating in a decidedly self serving way. Thats a fact jack. You know. I know it. everyone reading this knows it. I’d say I’m not the person confused about the difference. But go on shotting your toes off, one at a time. It’s amusing to watch.

So if you see an apple on the ground, directly beneath the only apple tree within 100 yards, you still wouldn’t say it’s a fact that the apple fell from that tree?

Of course not. When you find an apple, let me know. In fact I’d hope you’d email me the apples name so I can join in the public ridicule. Till then you just hoping to find an apple.

It would seem to me that when pegging, the rabbit would be at best surplus to requirements and at worst…well, I think you get the idea.

BTW. I hope you find Mr. or Ms Apple too, maybe even moreso. I’m a very bad actor with people that drag children into their adult issues.

If it was 90% likely that someone from PW posted the comment, is it safe to assert it as fact?

Sorry, you must eliminate every single alternate possibility, no matter how implausible, or you are an unserious person.

Also, did I mention Glenn Greenwald likes to use sockpuppets? I’m nearly certain of it!

As for “Pablo� — what the hell is that? It might as well be “Jeff’s Semen Receptacle� so vague and general it is without a last name.

Which, I suppose, makes you Glenn Greenwald’s enema apparatus. Except for the part where “Pablo” is how people in meatspace know me. And that Jeff has never linked to my blog or called me “Mr.”

I have been known to have sex with women who have, in the process, cried “Oh, Pablo!” But I suppose people who’ve met call you Retardo, and people who’ve slept with you have cried “Hey, Retard!”

They probably forgot the “o”. Or, you’re a fucking dipshit. Whatever.

Well its your call. If you choose to hang your credibility on percentages in lieu of common sense, that’s your choice. Personally I always make it clear in any comments I make, particularly when it’s an “at issue” situation. Pandering for support by morphing “highly likely” into fact, gets a bit slippery, and of course blows all the time for debate, which more often than not is the whole idea. Tends to screw up the entire agenda in the long run. Honest presentation works best I’ve found.

You know, BigBangHunter, Pablo and BMoe are all the same person. And until he/she/it provides me with separate IP addresses to prove otherwise, they lose and I win. Times infinity. Squared.

What if we line up and turkey slap you instead, dobby? You’d enjoy that, huh?

Just remember: I’m everybody but you. And Retardo, cuz he’s a fucking moron.

I am Big Bang Hunter. I am posting in an attempt to tar rightwingers as idiot blatherers.

I had a crisis of conscience about posting without my real name, however. So I thought I would let you know.

Still, I find it amusing to post under that . So look for more incredibly inane caricatures of the stupidest possible flying monkey!

In light of this, the demand for the IP was silly.

No Thirsty, in light of that, your insistence that Jeff or a PW commenter made the remark was bullshit. And you’re a fucking lying cocksucker.

Not that there’s anything wrong with that. Except for the lying. And the cocksucking. I mean, what would your wife say?

Righties still haven’t figured out that “accusations of homosexuality” bounce right off those who are a) secure in their sexuality and b) have no negative feelings towards gay people.

But keep them coming, Pablo. They make you look extremely mature and erudite.

You know, maybe Bill Keller sent that white powder to the New York Times, just to try and discredit the paper’s critics.

Also, we can’t rule out the possibility that John Hinckley was actually a Reagan supporter.

Oh, and maybe Israel was behind 9/11. Cause, you know, every time BBH brings up 9/11 I’m sure he takes great pains to acknowledge that bin Laden might not have done it, because, you know, nothing discredits you like overstating your case.

I should clarify: I know that pablo wasn’t literally “accusing” Thersites of anything. I should have said “insults involving homosexuality.”

At any rate, I await that info on the perp. Until then you might think about toning down the totally unsubstantiated alligations. That or finding better arguments.

Does anyone know how to get gold spray paint off your face? See, I had this paper bag, then I sprayed some gold paint in it…

Mel – In a word – “Breasts”. they have a naturally affinity for gold.

I should clarify: I know that pablo wasn’t literally “accusing� Thersites of anything. I should have said “insults involving homosexuality.�

There’s nothing wrong with being homosexual, unless you live in like Iran or something. And you don’t have to be homosexual to be a cocksucker.

Why is your little mind snapped so tightly shut, Auguste? So, Thirsty is a cocksucker. Big deal. Embrace him anyway. You know you dig the liars, so just do it.

I’m OK with it.

I’m sorry. I should have said Professor Cocksucker, PhD.

My bad.

Lots of cock-talk since Pablo showed up. Must be Jeff Goldstein’s cockpuppet.

Pattycakes sez, Drunk much, Retardo?, and then exits stage left.

Ever notice how this is how he ends participation in every thread he picks a fight in, right after being called on his transparent insecurity-driven freakouts?

I can imagine him in court. “Your honor, this douchebag lower class scum was found in possession of 1 gram of the Mary Jane.” “Objection! Prosecution is using disparaging and prejudicial language!” “Am not, you little pussy.”

That’s two on you, leftard.

The name fits, btw.

It’s nice to know that Sadly NO is not a land that believes in things like evidence or the presumption of innocence. You believe that you are smart, you believe that JG and his commenters are evil, and so you leap screaming “burn the witch!”.

Those making this leap should be very, very proud.

But then, what to make of the offers from Jeff to help out the perpetrators? Or the general outcry from the peanut gallery when it was revealed what someone said to Thers? Whatever you do, do not let facts like those color your calculations of likelihoods. After all, it is YOU who are smart and THEY who are evil. That is enough, and all else will just get in the way of you living a life where you can be assured that you know what is going on. And you simply cannot have that.

But then, what to make of the offers from Jeff to help out the perpetrators?

Should of course refer to Thers, ignore the word perpetrators as I meant to write Thers.

Or don’t. After all this is your world smarties.

Right, presumption of innocence like “Glenn Greenwald is a sock puppeteer” or “Thers or one of his lefty commenters probably really made that comment to make us look bad.” And Thersites already addressed the IP issue in this thread. Hit CTRL-f and type in “subpoena.”

Thirsty hasn’t explained his repeated attempts to assign blame when he clearly has absolutely no evidence to support the claim, other than his hope that you’ll believe him and excuse him for having no fucking evidence whatsoever to offer.

And you have. So he’s right, and you’re a fucking moron.

Sadly, Yes!

Pablo, all it takes is a little fucking logic. Maybe some Occam’s Razor. And a little bit of “Thers didn’t exactly point the finger very vigorously in the first place, you tool” thrown in.

And what makes you think I have formed a firm judgement in the matter? You’re jumping to a conclusion just like you accuse me of, with zero evidence to back you up. So, who’s the fucking moron in this little scenario?

For what it’s worth, Thersites said “Upon final thought I do think it was one of his commenters who said it, but that’s not reflective of anything or anyone beyond the fact that whoever said it is a sick little bastard who deserves scorn. And I have no desire to think about this any further.â€? He is perfectly clear it is an opinion, and that the words of one sick bastard doesn’t affect his opinion of anyone else. That’s not really that outrageous of a position.

BS, he made numerous comments around the sphere stating it was Jeff or one of his commenters. But hey, screw all that, its conservatives you have in the crosshairs so fire at will.

No wonder you jokers can’t seem to regain power. You can’t think straight.

Right, presumption of innocence like “Glenn Greenwald is a sock puppeteer� or “Thers or one of his lefty commenters probably really made that comment to make us look bad.� And Thersites already addressed the IP issue in this thread.

I suppose trying to tell you that this is a mere distraction would do no good. Why would you assume that one act which you presume to be a “bad act” would cancel out the other?

Must be more of the smart around these parts.

BS, he made numerous comments around the sphere stating it was Jeff or one of his commenters.

Then you won’t have any trouble finding a link to one of these many, many comments, I suppose.

Here, let me help you out.

Your assertion is false.

Uh-huh

So no re-telling of the tale at atrios or tbogg then eh thers?

I wouldn’t bother to say it, if it wasn’t true.

You just happen to suck at lying.

So no re-telling of the tale at atrios or tbogg then eh thers?

So you *don’t* have any links. And your position is that these imaginary comments are better “proof” than my actual comments, for which I provided actual support. For cute!

I wouldn’t bother to say it, if it wasn’t true.

Would you like a hug?

DG:Truth::Fish:Erudition

Or vice versa.

Then you won’t have any trouble finding a link to one of these many, many comments, I suppose.

Where are the links to “metacomments” the blog where it all happened? Why are you linking to baloon juice? Oh! Of course! I can’t because you deleted you blog, dipshit.I saw it before you deleted it. I also saw both of the posts you put up regarding that comment you just wanted to forget all about. I remember you talking about how you were “going to Blogger tomorrow, and then we’ll know!” I was there, asshole, and you can expect me to remind you of it anytime the opportunity presents itself.

You’re a weasel, and you’re a liar, Andy. You’re nobody’s victim, but just a little punk with a big mouth who picked a fight he had no business being in and then wanted all his little lefty liar friends to sympathize with you and demonize those who put you in your rightful place.

I love that one, Thirsty! “I demand links to the stuff I deleted!” You’re a silly little twat, you know that?

Maybe there was never any comment at all. Got a link to it, punk?

I was there.

Indeed you were. Indeed you were.

I saw it before you deleted it.

Heck, you saw it before you clicked on ‘Submit’.

The lady has gone beyond protesting too much. She’s set up a little camp for her protests.

Evidence, ahem? Or just more bullshit straight from the source?

We both know it’s the latter, and that makes you a lying sack of shit as well.

Wipe your chin, would you?

DG, you make assertions with no evidence. Shocking. Your mother would surely be appalled. I suppose it would do no good for me to point out that my “mere distraction” was not aimed at trying to “cancel out” anything(what an outrageous conclusion you leap to!), but to show what a hypocrite you are for maligning only lefties for ignoring evidentiary requirements and “presumption of innocence.” The fact that you repeat and further the attack while puling about righties in the crosshairs is a lagniappe.

My, what an Internet Tough Guy you are. Such a shame how the guilty conscience interferes with the verbal bravado. Now go back to the insult shop and pay for what you stole.

[…] Still, no matter what a psychotic chickenhawk coward Pasty is, Brad’s rule applies to the subhuman as well. And same goes for even the sub-subhuman, like Pasty-o-head’s own Pablo honey. S,N!’s policy is to call them what they are, but not to sink to their level by “outting” them. And since that’s our policy, that’s your policy as commenters here, too. […]

Pablo is quite the spectacle, isn’t he? Wow. He’s all yours, Right Wing Blogosphere! Hope you’re happy with him!

Pablo. I was there for all of it as well. If anyone here is lying, it’s you (and I’ll also point out that google cache has perserved much of what you seek). Though I’ll actually give you the courtesy of extending you the benefit of the doubt on that and chalk it down to your memory being hampered by the fact that your nose is so far up Jeff’s ass.

Would you like a hug?

Nah, but I do apologize for the arrogance of that comment. Forgetting for a moment that I can be fallible and all.

I do find your link interesting though, considering you link to John, who finds you as full of shit as I do. Your right to be so, of course. Just know that those who watched it go down aren’t fooled.

And I was one of those who was against your personal info coming out and said as much. I also thought the comment in question should have been referred to law enforcement. Can’t be too careful when it comes to the kids.

I do find your link interesting though, considering you link to John, who finds you as full of shit as I do.

The link goes to comments in a Balloon Juice thread and points out why Cole’s opinion is based on misinformation, and uses links.

You’re completely wrong that I hyped the comment. The opposite is true. I privately contacted people and asked them to keep it cool, and deleted a post about it by someone else at a group blog I post at. My comments at Atrios (I rarely comment at TBogg’s) were to the effect that I did not want the comment to be the subject of an internetty argument. (I was pissed off for maybe a half hour after reading the comment, and that’s why I made the first post. But after that I tried my best to make clear it reflected on nobody but the poster.)

The comment was obscene but also not directly a threat. Blogger is not very helpful when it comes to this sort of thing, either, as I discovered when I referred to them a comment that could more clearly be interpreted as a threat. That’s why I’m no longer on Blogger.

I “watched it go down” too, you know, and I’m not impressed with someone who says he knows all about it and gets the facts completely wrong, such as the lie that I went around the “sphere” using that comment as ammo.

Poor Patterico, when all else fails…go into spew mode. Clearly you’ll do well in your chosen profession…shit floats.