All Pasty All The Time (Updated)
The Pattycake (“I’ll sue! — er, I could sue!”) distraction was great fun, but why bother with such a moron when I can go to the font of WingNet stupidity and read the following:
Lot’s of “advanced searches� today. Looks like “Retardo Montalban� at SN! is going to be putting together another of his “Adlerian� analyses of me.
Which, I’m not sure what “Adlerian� means, exactly—but from context, I gather the last time he used it to mean something like “look what I can do with things taken out of context and the joined together by my preconceived notions and intentional omissions! Give me kudos, Amanda!�
I’m thinking I’ll maybe pull out of the Online Integrity thing. Integrity doesn’t mean we should be compelled to respect the privacy of those who rely on our restraint to launch the basest personal attacks.
Although I’m sure Glenn Greenwald can cite caselaw that say it means precisely that, and Andrew Sullivan would bemoan any walking back on earlier pledges as proof that I have lost my moral authority.
I AM BECOME A ROGUE NATION! FEAR THE UNRESTRAINED COUNT COCKULA, BITCHES!
Posted by Jeff Goldstein | permalink
on 07/10 at 08:31 PM
The density of stupid and dishonest assertion in this brief whine is the perfect distillation of his general schtick; forget eating it, Goldstein’s apparently found a way to mainline paste.
First, I haven’t done a search at Goldstein’s crappy site since writing this post almost a month ago. Paranoia will destroy ya, Pasty.
Second, is he really that stupid to not know who Alfred Adler was, or at least what the Inferiority Complex is about? Yes, yes of course he is. OK. Well, I’m a born pedagogue; I shall be helpful in a Socratic way.
Dear Pasty: What would drive Stalin, a Georgian, to desire to be more Russian than Russian? In his own mind, Hitler, the Austrian, was more German than the Germans; why? Napoleon of course was not French but a Corsican. Alexander was a hick from the Macedonian sticks but carried the mantle of Greece in a peculiarly desparate way. Why are short men often overly aggressive? Why is the convert to an ideology or religion often so much more aggressively pious than a believer born into the faith? Why do paste-eating morons publish unreadable bullshit about “lit theory” when all they really want to do is restate the dolchstosslegende; claim the “right” to spew ethnic, sexist, and racial slurs; and justify the numerous sexual and violent threats they’ve launched at others? Why would a chickenhawk coward constantly rattle about his toughness and masculinity?
I hope the point gets through.
Third and finally: By pulling out of the OI pledge, he must mean officially, for in practice he violated it at leisure as soon as (and ever after) he signed the damn thing. Basically, he’s repeating himself: he said the same thing about not respecting privacy when he ‘outed’ Thers. The liberals made him do it! But I get the hint, as do, I’m sure, his commenters who will now commence their research. Perhaps Tacky, who violated the terms of OI with the same relish he displayed in inventing and publicising the stupid thing in the first place, can help.
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Bonus Fun: Ann Althouse makes the right call on the Frisch-Goldstein thing, which inspires Pattycake to do his thing (though thankfully there’s no threat of a libel suit there), and Goldstein — and this is rich — to cry about her carrying a grudge.
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Update: Looky what I found!
Jeff G Says:
July 10th, 2006 at 10:54 pm
[…]
And I’ll note that Sadly, No! edited their post to change the accusation that I altered Frisch’s rantings.Which doesn’t mean they were “scared,� of “course,� just that perhaps they “realized� that libel “is� potentially actionable, and that some of us are “through� fucking around with “anonymous� bloggers who like to hide behind their anonymity while launching anonymous attacks.
And I’m getting very very curious about who some of these people are.
Online Integrity Pledge? Fuck it. Like the Geneva Convention: You don’t sign it, no protections for you. I don’t give a shit what Ginsburg, Souter, Kennedy, Bryer, Stevens and Greenwald have to say on the matter.
[Gavin adds: Uh, no. What happened was that I was talking to Goldstein at Patterico’s site, and said that someone claimed he had altered two of Frisch’s comments, but also that we didn’t know whether that particular offense was true. How that became an ‘edited post’ here, only his hairdresser knows for sure.]
Plainly the zeitgeist has demanded that batshit wingnuts start levelling threats of libel suits. Goody goody. As for the rest: Hahah. Gonna out him some liberals so that (after a gas money donation, naturally) his commenters will, it is hoped, snuff us with axe handles.
But it is nice to see chickenhawk Pasty overcompensating yet again by trying to exceed Dear Leader’s rationale for depravity in the real war by borrowing the same argument for his own little blog war against the horrible meanies who’ve called him Pasty and scrupulously documented his own madness. After all, Pasty borrowed Abu Ghraib imagery and further developed it (as only a crazy person can), too. Whatever the real sojers can do, Pasty can do that much better!
I don’t find weenie-waggling wingnuts either amusing or threatening; they do,however, provoke the mildly disturbing thought that a Klonopin-and-paste cocktail is far more corrosive to the psyche than the Seconal-and-rye-whiskey combo that I used to indulge in in my youth.
Jeff reminds me of Zidane.
I bet he’d do a great head-butt.
BTW, what academic field was Jeff a complete failure in?
English
‘Tardo- Jeff’s right. It wasn’t nice of us to pull phrases like “I touched your sister in her secret places” and “maybe she’s sitting on a cucumber” out of context. What WERE we thinking?
Jeff reminds me of Zidane.
For shame. That’s an even bigger insult to Zidane than ‘We all know you are the son of a terrorist whore.’ He’s more like Cristiano Ronaldo: an A-grade flopper who tries to get people sent off for doing what he does all the time.
Yeah I know it, Brad. It’s all our fault.
He’s more like Cristiano Ronaldo: an A-grade flopper who tries to get people sent off for doing what he does all the time.
One small quibble– Cristiano Ronaldo at least has talent. Sure, he’s a whining, flopping little shit, but the boy can play when he decides to.
JG… not so much.
And Ronaldo’s only 21; he’ll mature and grow up eventually. Goldstein? He’s got nothing to look forward to but a jacket that buckles in the back.
Adding to the discussion on inferiority complexes, why would a blue-blood from Connecticut try to act more Texan than a native Texan? He’s really pressing.
I see Goldstein thinks he’s cool by making veiled threats to out Retardo, just like Trevino the other week. I guess I missed the part of OI which said you’re supposed to respect people’s anonymity, but of course you can still threaten to out them for fun.
“Rely on our restraint”? The irony drips from the page. Yes, all of us rely on Jeff Goldstein’s restraint, that’s for sure.
Integrity doesn’t mean we should be compelled to respect the privacy of those who rely on our restraint to launch the basest personal attacks.
It does, actually, when you’ve promised to do exactly that and signed a statement to that effect. In fact, declaring “this is my code of ethics” and then trangressing it, early and often, is how a person proves he doesn’t have any integrity. But has Goldstein’s personal info been published? Has his wife been outed? I know for a fact that information is on the internet, which according to some makes it public and fair game, and for all his attacks on and outing of others I haven’t seen anyone return to him what he has done.
I still fail to see how Retardeau’s attack was “base.” Most of his piece involved accurately quoting a lot of sick stuff posted by Jeff. And if Jeff finds his own words base… well, that’s his problem.
“Online Integrity Pledge? Fuck it. Like the Geneva Convention: You don’t sign it, no protections for you. I”
Looks like Jeff’s understanding of international law is about as sophisticated as his understanding of integrity. As the Supreme Court just ruled, non-signatories to the Geneva Conventions are granted the protections in the common articles.
Looks like Jeff’s understanding of international law is about as sophisticated as his understanding of integrity.
Or literary theory, apparently.
I’m sorry, but Zidane used his head.
It is painfully obvious that Goldstein would have used his COCK.
The ruling was only that non-signatories have protections under Common Article 3, which was expressly intended to protect combattants from non-signatories detained in the territory of a signatory by a signatory. No ruling was reached on the other common articles.
Even so, Jeff Pastestein still got it wrong!
What the heck was edited? I don’t see an edit to your earlier posts.
Save that had Goldstein tried to do that with his cock, the entire stadium (and a billion people world-wide) would have laughed him off the pitch.
“Zut alors! I have cooked bigger escargot!“
I REALLY don’t get the this fetish for “outing” people.
What, your opinions are valid if they come out of the mouth of “Robert Penrose” or whoever, but if they come out of the mouth of “Retardaeu Montelban” there’s a problem?
Look, a name is just an arbitrary word that describes a person. “Bill” doesn’t actually convey any more information about a person then “Retardo” does, and, heck, a pseudonym chosen by a person proboably reveals MORE about them then an arbitrary word given to them by their parents before they had time to develop any kind of personality.
It’s not like he doesn’t have an opportunity to respond to anonymous people; he has his own blog, and he can comment on Sadly No! if he wants to.
The only thing I can figure is that Goldstein thinks people should be subject to real-world penalties for the crime of saying things he doesn’t like. Maybe it’s not a REAL opinion unless you open yourself up to crazy stalkers.
I guess the idea of excercising your freedom of speech and association is scary to him, for some reason.
It’s really not fair speaking ill of Patterico when he’s too busy to respond. He’s occupied spamming every site he can with bragadocio about how he’s braved the lion’s den by coming here and sharing the pure white light of his wisdom with the depraved and raving leper hordes. At this point I think he’s exhausted the political sites and is posting about it in connection with his favorite movies on imdb and on various Farscape fansites.
Christopher, that is an amazingly excellent point. Thank you.
LOFL Oh this is sweet.
The Tuscon newspaper recounts the Goldstein-Frisch story and includes this quotation:
So now Goldstein’s livid and has sent such a huge packet of bullshit to the paper’s comments section that practically constitutes a DdOS attack.
Which, incidentally, with regard to the alleged DdOS attacks on Purblind Jism: any server would die if it had to deal with hosting Goldstein’s sentences everyday. It’s like asking a Yugo to pull a doublewide trailer up Pike’s Peak. It’s the little engine that couldn’t.
What the heck was edited? I don’t see an edit to your earlier posts.
I sometimes sneak into posts and fix spelling and grammar, but never anything substantitive. He’s imagining an ‘accusation’ that was never there.
Well, the edit he references would have been unequivably substantitive, to coin a phrase.
Second, is he really that stupid to not know who Alfred Adler was, or at least what the Inferiority Complex is about? Yes, yes of course he is.
We are, after all, talking about someone who failed to recognize “Exterminate all the brutes!” as a literary reference.
When I was a kid, we had a poodle named Rembrandt. My father picked the name based on the fact that Rembrandt was an artist and since all artists are French… well, it’s obvious. The fact that my father (still) knows absolutely nothing about art or art history has no bearing on his intelligence or competence. He’s an orthodontist — why should he know about art? Now, if he were handed an x-ray of a patient’s teeth and he failed to distinguish the molars from the bicuspids — that would say many things about his intelligence and competence, and none of those things would be very nice.
Context. It’s all about context.
Well, the edit he references would have been unequivably substantitive, to coin a phrase.
Yes, ‘substantive,’ darn it. Trying to trick me into editing that comment for spelling, eh?
Althouse is correct? In what world??? She may be correct about Frisch, but:
would be laughable even if it came from Count Cockula.
Here’s Althouse’s unaccountably spot-on comment:
“When I was a kid, we had a poodle named Rembrandt. My father picked the name based on the fact that Rembrandt was an artist and since all artists are French… well, it’s obvious. The fact that my father (still) knows absolutely nothing about art or art history has no bearing on his intelligence or competence”
No offence, but that is fucking stupid. It may have no bearing on his competence as an orthodontist but it betrays a dysfunctional thought process. Every single step is illogical, unless you grant “poodles are French”.
Goldstein’s allegiance to his integrity pledge sounds a lot like Bush’s allegiance to his oath of office. He promises to uphold integrity (or the Constitution) unless it becomesinconvenient or unless it is taken to apply to his political foes and not just his friends or unless he just doesn’t feel like it anymore.
There are by the way no longer “signatories” to Online Integrity. And Tac is no longer involved in the project.
This Just In: Gavin M. Admits to Surreptitiously Altering Sadly, No! Posts
Gavin M. of Sadly, No! has confirmed that he “sneak[s] into posts” and changes them after they have been published.
Steve,
Yes, I agree with you. She sees him.
He’s playing a game and loving it.
This Just In: Gavin M. Doesn’t Admits to Not Surreptitiously Altering Sadly, No! Posts
Gavin M. of Sadly, No! has not confirmed that he does not “sneak[s] into postsâ€? and never changes them not after they haven”t been published.
[archly shifts lollipop from one corner of mouth to the other]
“He’s playing a game and loving it.”
This is so very true–I mean, it’s no coincidence that Jeff gets involved in a major blogfight once every few months.
“who rely on our restraint to launch the basest personal attacks.”
Heh. That’s a fun little phrase. Here’s a translation of what he’s actually saying.
“Hey guys, the only reason them evil satan-lovers are kicking are asses so hard is because we’re going easy on them. Right? Right?”
You the man, Biff. Now wax my Delorian.
OK, quick review.
Not a threat: “We’re pragmatists, Deb. I think if push came to shove, we’d rather just shoot you.”
Threat: “If some nutcase kidnapped your child tomorrow and did to her what was done to your fellow Coloradan, Jon-Benet Ramsey, I wouldn’t give a damn.”
Gee, looks like Cockslap can dish it out, but can’t take it. What a surprise, a big manly conservative stud like him using his two-year old as a pawn to gain sympathy in some stupid blog flame war.
Ginger Yellow: Yep, he started with the “poodles are French” proposition. It probably went something like this: “French poodle… need something French… artists are French… hmmm… who did that smiling lady painting? Rembrandt!” So his thought processes aren’t that dysfunctional. Well, they are but the proof doesn’t lie in this example. He is a very good orthodontist, though.
All of which is beside my original point (and yes I did have one): A former grad student in English who presumes to lecture others on literary theory and yet can’t recognize an extremely well-known quote from a canonical (and short!) work of fiction — well, he really ought to shut his cakehole, tuck his much-abused cock between his legs in shame, and blight the internets no more forever.
Forget G’s strange obsessions and confused prissy writing. This one fact alone — the fact that he’s an arrogant ignoramous in his supposed area of expertise — means he has no authority on any subject at all. Not lit crit, not politics, not animal husbandry, not the alphabet. He’s a joke, a sad dull one, and all his king-of-the-third-graders capering just extends the punchline.
Is it really necessary to bash someone as vain and petty as Goldstein? Doing so only gives him bragging rights in the wingnut community.
Mr. Mordant: Goldstein? He’s got nothing to look forward to but a jacket that buckles in the back.
Steve: “Rely on our restraint�? The irony drips from the page. Yes, all of us rely on Jeff Goldstein’s restraint, that’s for sure.
I think this juxtaposition helps to clarify the nature of Goldstein’s “restraint.”
Een Re: Althouse’s earlier post, how ees Goldstein “less nasty” een any concievable way than Thersites?
Thersites started the AltMouse website, wheech lampooned Althouse to a “T”, Goldstein outed Thers’ real name and hees (and hees wife’s) personal information.
How can thees be considered “less nasty” than a seemple parody site?
Althouse has her cabeza stuck een her culo.
so.
Let us consider the impotent rage and psychosexual distress that compel the fathers of toddlers to embrace authoritarianism and cheerlead for a war in which other people’s children are dying by the thousands. Any shrinks out there? Can a tiny penis and/or repressed homosexuality really do all this damage?
Who is this “Amanda” and why does Goldstein think Retardo wants “kudos” from her? And did the sonofabitch ever get himself a damn job?
And did the sonofabitch ever get himself a damn job?
No, and I don’t really blame him.
Hey, if YOU had a bunch of silly idiots who would send you money just for writing about your cock, would YOU bother looking for work? 😉
Any damage to Count Cockula’s kid has already been done…imagine Jeff as YOUR father.
Mr Goldstein seems to be a bit of a drama queen…
Hey, if YOU had a bunch of silly idiots who would send you money just for writing about your cock, would YOU bother looking for work?
Must be a shame that all you guys have got is us cheapskate commenters.
Who is this “Amanda� and why does Goldstein think Retardo wants “kudos� from her?
Amanda Marcotte of Pandagon I presume. Interesting to me how JG in his response to criticism now so completely resembles the fellow from a while back who was threatening–don’t know if he actually filed papers or not–to sue and “out” BitchPhd. Peas in a pod I guess…
Hey, if YOU had a bunch of silly idiots who would send you money just for writing about your cock, would YOU bother looking for work?
Hey man, Atrios also speaks truth to power, baby, so back off.
Sixpak Chopra:
Great screen name. Wish I’d thought of that one.
So now Goldstein’s livid and has sent such a huge packet of bullshit to the paper’s comments section that practically constitutes a DdOS attack.
And, like clockwork, several of Jeff G’s
mindless sycophantsloyal fans showed up there to defend his honor. Oh, yeah, I forgot. What honor? I meant to say “defend his long-winded, incoherent blather.” My bad.“rely on our restraint”?
I have no problem relying on JG’s restraint: He has none. Reliably consistent in that, too.
I mean, it’s not like anyone here is really surprised by JG, are they?
I also find it rather rich that Jeffy is holding the Geneva Accords in such high esteem. I thought conservatives hated them. Huh.
I thought conservatives hated them. Huh.
Conservatives don’t hate the Geneva Accords, they just wish they’d get some gumption and get a job.
REVEALED…What Materazzi said to Zidane:
“I will smash your face into a car windshield, and then take your mother Dorothy Zidane out for a nice seafood dinner and never call her again.”
None of this answers the real question. Who would win in a fight: Vox Day or Goldstein’s cock?
Wow.
1. Following the whole flapdoodle, someone links to a picture of Frisch in the comments at PW, a picture including a little girl who could be Frisch’s daughter.
2. Frisch politely (!) asks Goldstein to delete the offending link.
3. Goldstein, in the course of a post talking about what a mensch he is for granting her this “favor,” REPRINTS THE LINK on the front page of his blog.
My God. What an ass.
His restraint?
LOL!
On the “WHAT!” front, I saw this in a comment at Greenwald’s:
“Deb Frisch has posted about this on a listserv of which I am a member… She was writing to solicit help dealing with Fox News, which was threatening her if she did not appear to discuss this on John Gibson’s show.”
Fox News is doing a piece on this…? Dustups on blog comments sections are deemed worthy of national news programs? Or even John Gibson’s demented little circus act?
Shazbot.
Who would win in a fight: Vox Day or Goldstein’s cock?
Vox Day. But it would be a protracted struggle, requiring some tens of minutes and a great deal of “personal lubricant”.
Have fun getting that image out of your brain.
RE: Althouse
What she got right was that Goldstein & Frisch deserve each other. That’s all I meant by the link. Well that and it’s funny to link to her wrt Goldstein because he hates her for making fun of his first Peehole Media blogjam — hence the great projectionist’s whine that she is carrying a grudge.
I disavow any and all other endorsement of Ann Althouse.
What she got right was that Goldstein & Frisch deserve each other. That’s all I meant by the link. Well that and it’s funny to link to her wrt Goldstein because he hates her for making fun of his first Peehole Media blogjam — hence the great projectionist’s whine that she is carrying a grudge.
As much as it pains me to admit it, Goldstein was in the right in that whole episode. Althouse, true to form, refused in the face of overwhelming evidence to acknowledge she had made a mistake. You’ll notice also that in pointing out the Goldstein matter she points to a post where she relished in Thers’s troubles. Her and Thers have a history over an incident similar to her and Goldstein’s.
That Althouse comment was not only not stupid, not only right, it was downright penetrating. That is the dynamic, how she describes it, perfectly.
*shudders*
That Althouse comment was not only not stupid, not only right, it was downright penetrating. That is the dynamic, how she describes it, perfectly.
Oh yes.
(Nods head in agreement.)
I see Goldstein has an interview lined up about the Frisch thing; he’s gonna be dining out on this for months to come.
Hell, he oughta start paying her.
Actually, I’ll just re-quote her:
Goldstein’s you-talked-about-my-child move is a strong one, but it’s a move nonetheless, made by a person who likes to play the game… hard. He’s not a victim. He’s one of the people who has advanced himself in the blogosphere by making it hostile and ugly. Like all of us, he is capable of being hurt by a genuine crazy. But why not just delete the trolls? Why rile them?Some of them really aren’t playing with a full deck. Why push weak people until they lose control? It’s an ugly game, and I think Jeff knows he plays it.
You mean Patrick Starfish tried doing a triple lindy off his swingset and landed on his face while I was away?
That’ll teach me to go on vacation.
I love how he wrestles with the meaning of “Online Integrity.” I gather “online” modifies “integrity” in ways I had not previously imagined.
What percentage of the Constitution can you reject before you stop being pig-ignorant and start being un-American?
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RE: Fox radio news, saw that correspondence yesterday on her blog. She agreed to go on, asked some questions about how it would go, Fox said don’t ask questions and your appearance hasn’t even been cleared yet, at that point Frisch changed her mind. Fox said you know what fuck you, you’re doing it, you said you would and now what’s with this instability, is this a pattern with you, because it seems like you have a pattern of instability ya twitch.
They will demolish what’s left of her.
Ex-Fed said,
It’s really not fair speaking ill of Patterico when he’s too busy to respond. He’s occupied spamming every site he can with bragadocio about how he’s braved the lion’s den by coming here and sharing the pure white light of his wisdom with the depraved and raving leper hordes.
Lion’s den? Leper hordes? Is this an experiment in recombinant metaphors? If so, a comparison to Roman gladiators is also needed.
[insert image here, of Mother Calcutta ministering to the poor in the slums of Calcutta]
Patterico’s own chosen metaphor was “Descends into the snake pit”. The phrase seemed appropriate enough to the Sadly,Nocracy… It filled my mind with images of ice baths, tranquillisers, shock treatments and straitjackets. Also a good description of my home life.
Who gets to play Olivia de Havilland’s role?
Bugger. I meant, ‘Mother Teresa’.
[…] UPDATE: I couldn’t write anything on politics this evening. I had written a couple of posts over on GFAFC and after that I tried to write something about Deb Frisch and Jeff Goldstein. What’s the use? We know those two deserve each other. They’re a perfect match. One made sick comments on the other’s blog, and the other has a reputation of habitually threatening to turkeyslap (an NC-17 term I’m using to describe Goldstein’s narcissistic fixation of his own phallus –read here, here, and here for more details) whomever disagrees with him. […]
You’re obviouslyate ignorating Jeff Goldsteins editorialite intentinations when he signified the OI with his signation.
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