Think Of The Fish
K-Lo, in a special guest appearance at Clown Hall, offers her forty-seventh reason why the birth control pill is bad and should be banned: It turns male fish into girly-men fish.
You’ve already heard about the pregnant man. But what about the she-man fish? “Intersex” freshwater fish are all the rage.
Apparently you can’t have a liberal cocktail party these days without having a few “intersex” freshwater fish as guests.
Estrogen pollution from contraceptive and abortion pills could be the culprit behind these piscine switcheroos. And thus the two holiest of holies for the left …
(The left’s two holiest of holies are, apparently, in no particular order, fish and fucking.)
… may be on a collision course. It promises to be quite the show.
Because, of course, none of the other chemical pollutants that are also found in in the nation’s waterways could possibly be responsible for this. So, I suppose the pill “could be” the cause. Of course, in that sense, gay marriage in California also “could be” the cause that the surge has allegedly succeeded in Iraq.
And because [the pill’s] introduction came 40 years ago, at a time when American culture was enamored with Woodstock, feminism and free love, prescient warnings and cautions — most notably from Pope Paul VI in his encyclical “Humanae Vitae” in the summer of 1968 — went unheeded.
Holy shit. You mean the pope predicted transgendered fish forty years ago? I really should start going to church more often since it’s obviously a source of extremely useful predictions.
For the first time, … the left may be forced to take a look at the side effects of oral contraceptives. Never mind the women, of course. Never mind the men and children affected in various emotional and other ways.
Didya notice K-Lo slip in reason number 48 that the birth control pill is bad? Think of the children, she says, who are affected in “various emotional and other ways” by the pill. It’s not clear how the children are affected, although I guess K-Lo imagines that children are being neglected because Mommy and Daddy, thanks to the pill, can spend all their spare hours fucking, rather than once a month and for conception purposes only.
Apparently K-Lo has picked up this fish story from global-warming denialist Iain Murray, who, according to K-Lo, predicts how the left will respond to revelations that the birth control pill has led to gender-confused trout:
So what does that mean for us and the fish? Nothing straight away, Murray tells me. There’s more than pollution at stake here for the left, so, expect “outright denial at there being a problem, obfuscation of the science when strong arguments are presented, attempts to deflect attention onto much rarer and less harmful [causes]
Doesn’t that sound oddly familiar? Outright denial that global warming exists. Check. Obfuscation of the science when strong arguments for anthropogenic global warming are presented. Check. Attempts to deflect attention onto much rarer and less harmful causes such as sunspots and breathing. Check.
How these people find their way home at night is really a mystery to me. Breadcrumbs, I suppose.
I’ve finally figured out K-Lo’s problem.
Coincidentally, I was reading Pope Paul VI’s ““Humanae Vitae” for the first time last night and I haven’t thought about sex in 12-13 hours.
The left’s two holiest of holies are, apparently, in no particular order, fish and fucking.
Hooray for us!
Where’s Norbiz to celebrate our victory!?
Perhaps she should ban her own ramblings over at Town Hall, they are obviously having a contraceptive effect on her – 32 and not a sproglet in sight.
I won’t give Clown Hall the traffic. So I can’t see what the source of these absurd assertions is. But just guessing, since GW deniers are involved, there probably is no source, just a bunch of hastily stitched-together “facts” that when examined without a fucking agenda by people who aren’t head-crushingly stupid, would fall apart like a paper bag in the rain.
Well, at least we don’t have to Fuck Fish…
Do we?
I’m not sure I get all my holiest holies right…
mikey
Norbiz will show up in a few minutes to tell Clif that he shouldn’t give K-lo anymore publicity, and then sneer that he’s certain that Clif’s post “ought to keep her from blogging for a while”.
WordPress took time out from blowing goats to eat my comment ’cause it had a funny linky thingie in it.
So I’ll take the linky thing out…
I’m like McCain. Twist my arm a little and I fold like a cheap card table…
mikey
Well, at least we don’t have to Fuck Fish…
Do we?
I’m not sure I get all my holiest holies right…
mikey
Never mind, then.
WordPress is completely distracted from that sweet, sweet goat blowin and is now watching me like a hungry hungry hippo.
I’ll not be allowed to even attempt to be funny.
I’ll go make a cocktail…
mikey
Aren’t there a ton of pesticides that contain forms of estrogen, or chemicals that are very close to it in make-up? I mean, it’s not like the pesticides used on most farms would be a larger contribution in water run-off than a few million women’s trace amounts in urine…
Jesus, that’s a horrifying photoshop. Thanks a lot, Clif. Now I won’t be able to sleep tonight.
Aren’t there a ton of pesticides that contain forms of estrogen, or chemicals that are very close to it in make-up?
I don’t know about that, but I do remember that soy milk is supposed to be all full of Girly Chemicals that turn honest, hard-working, heterosexual men into girly girls. Maybe somebody is dumping a bunch of that.
I wonder what K-Lo is going to say in another 40 years when fish pop out of the water with raging boners due to Viagra in the water. Imagine if some kind of lake trout fucked the Pope.
Whaddaya mean,”in no particular order”?
Speak for yourself, pal.
With me, fish is Number Two and always will be.
“How these people find their way home at night is really a mystery to me.”
Look at k-lo, what makes you think she ever leaves her home? She’s a sad, stunted, almost person wanting desperately to be more.
“fish pop out of the water with raging boners”
Finally, the name of my first solo album.
K-Lo forgot to mention Paul VI’s *other* encyclical – “Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc”.
I also heard that a common industrial pollutant is an estrogen analogue (ie: chemically mimics estrogen) such that it has caused fish and amphibians to be transgendered.
And because [the pill’s] introduction came 40 years ago, at a time when American culture was enamored with Woodstock, feminism and free love, prescient warnings and cautions — most notably from Pope Paul VI in his encyclical “Humanae Vitae” in the summer of 1968 — went unheeded.
Riiiiight, because the first person I always turn to for sex advice is a wrinkly, old, celibate man.
Shar — yes there are, and mercury can do about the same thing. Hrrm…
As for K-Lo, she can have my hormonal birth control when she pries it from my cold dead hands (or off my cold dead arm, as the case may be), which will happen approximately after she pries my cold dead teeth out of her throat…
What the fuck is she on about? The only abortion pill widely available in the US is mifepristone, which doesn’t contain estrogen or bind to estrogen receptors. Is this some sort of Catholic logorrhea, where any sentence about something the author doesn’t like has to include the word “abortion?”
Owwww. I didnt need to see that picture. Why couldn’t you have put up a picture of Scarlet Johansson from the movie and made a really tiny arrow pointing to her face that had a caption that said “Imagine K-Lo’s Face Here” or something like that. We would have gotten the idea. Really, we aren’t stupid. That picture is going to take a while to shake.
It burns my muffins even more than usual when women get on the anti-birth control rant. I can’t seriously believe that these women have either a) never had sex, or b) never used birth control.
What fucking hypocrites.
I do remember that soy milk is supposed to be all full of Girly Chemicals
There are estrogen mimickers in quite a few foods (including ones generally considered a Good Thing in the diet, such as those good cruciferous veggies broccoli and cauliflower).
The last mimicker I remember people being really worried about was Bisphenol A, which is in a lot of polycarbonate plastic– in particular, plastics used in drinking bottles and infant nursing bottles, which was causing worry (and spurred a new interest in bottles like the stainless-steel Kleen Canteens).
OT: Post loses money for first time in 37 years. I wonder for how much of that Hiatt is responsible?
On topic: See, Brandi, Blue Buddha and others are already trying to blame this problem on much smaller contributing factors than the pill, which is CLEARLY, by decree, responsible for all ills, including this one. As predicted by Mr. Murray.
Pesticides. Bisphenol A. What are those things – they have French names. Probably an invention of liebrul media!!!!11!!
I can’t seriously believe that these women have either a) never had sex, or b) never used birth control.
I’m pretty darned sure K-Lo has never had sex. Who the other women are that you’re talking about I’ve no idea.
I can’t seriously believe that these women have either a) never had sex, or b) never used birth control.
I can believe it of K-Lo. She’ll never need birth control because she’s waiting for Jesus to climb off the cross and make her an offer.
I hate it when I feel various emotional and other ways.
If only Obama wasn’t so arrogant, then the two hallowed thrones of liberalism could be exposed for the frauds they are and ummm, fish… sex… dolphins… homo-nups… uhh line?
The Left responds to the 2 billionth K-Lo fisking.
As a man, I’d like to defend K-Lo’s statement.
Contraceptives most certainly have affected me in various emotional and other ways.
They certainly have allowed me to love, and love again. Without those pesky abortions or unwanted children. That’s a HUGE net positive emotional effect.
Oh, and those mysterious other ways? Well, those included a vast set of life experiences that came from knowing a fair number of women intimately. Which allowed me to share a piece of their lives, their friends and families and interests. From art to picnics to backpacking to sailing to snowmobiling to harvesting pot, it was through the women I’ve loved that I’ve had a chance to do things I would never have otherwise been able to experience.
And again. HUGE net positive…
mikey
And again with the Woodstock thing. As if circa-1968 hippies shoulda woulda put aside the sex and smoking pot so as to instead read radical right-wing religious tracts and heed their “prescient warnings and precautions” that someday the miracle drug of the ages would transgender fish.
I was in catholic high school when humanae vitae came out. We had to read the thing, but I don’t remember anything about fish. Just how birth control is an offense to women’s inherent dignity, as though uncontrolled childbearing isn’t.
Fish and fucking? Hey -that reminds me of why I never drink water.
The Left said,
August 3, 2008 at 1:19
The Left responds to the 2 billionth K-Lo fisking.
But counterpoint from Roy.
Lead in the water = no big deal.
Estrogen in the water = end of civilization as we know it.
Why do I suspect K-Lo would be more upset about the former if condoms were made out of lead? (Though I’m pretty sure she would be more approving of lead condoms than birth control pills, for all the obvious reasons – the dampening of sexual pleasure and potential for lead poisoning to punish the evil fornicators.)
On the other hand, maybe when I pee out my hormone-replacement pills, I’m helping to prevent fish hot flashes. Hmmmm.
Aren’t there a ton of pesticides that contain forms of estrogen, or chemicals that are very close to it in make-up?
Yes. Several pesticides contain chemicals which are similar to estrogen and mimic its effects on animals. This is has been identified as the cause of genital/sexual abnormalities in a variety of fish and amphibians. They are also implicated in a well documented decline in male sperm counts and higher rates of defective sperm in humans. We have known this for at least a decade. K-Lo as usual is talking out her ass with no idea what she is talking about.
They’re called endocrine disrupters. The list of endocrine disrupting compounds is loooooong and covers a number of yer basic industrial toxins, especially those involved in production of plastics I believe. Hormonal birth control and other hormonal medication does contribute, apparently, but if we weren’t putting so much nasty shit into the environment for other purposes it wouldn’t be such an issue.
“Environmental contaminants that can affect the endocrine system in animals, which controls important functions through communication of glands, hormones and cellular receptors, are known as endocrine disrupting compounds (EDCs). Many EDCs are associated with developmental, reproductive and other health problems in fish and wildlife, both in the field and the laboratory…Commonly listed EDCs include: Persistent Organohalogens including dioxins and furans, PBBs, hexachlorobenzene, octachlorostryrene, and pentachlorophenol. Pesticides: 2,4,5-T, 2,4-D, alachlor, aldicarb, atrazine, beta-HCH, carbaryl, chlordane, gamma-cyhalothrin, cis-nonachlor, cypermethrin, DDT, DDT metabolites, dicofol, dieldrin, endosulfan, esfenvalerate, ethylparathion, fenvalerate, heptachlorepoxide, heptachlor, kepone, lindane, methoxychlor, mirex, oxychlordane, permethrin, synthetic pyrethroids, toxaphene, trans-nonachlor, and trifluralin.”
K-Lo doubtless is just as worried about these chemicals as she is about birth control.
I really can’t believe that she imagines that everyone who uses or approves of hormonal birth control are *of course* environmentalists. Does she really imagine that only “the left” uses birth control? Does she not have any idea how much of the female population uses birth control? If environmentalists had those kind of numbers we would be throwing our weight around a bit more, I think…
And another thing I can’t believe: does she think somehow that humans are IMMUNE to this disruption? She’s all ha-ha, the fish have reproductive problems because of this! and no thought that, you know, humans live in the same world as the fucking fish, right…
Dear K-Lo,
I don’t give a shit what the Pope said in 1968. He doesn’t know shit about good sex.
Ditto on what mikey said about thhe awesome effects on men.
Best Regahds,
Me
I’d say she’s dumber than Dinesh D’Souza but not as dumb as Pantload or Uncle Thomas Sowell.
I mean, DR. Thomas Sowell.
Sorry about that. I very sincerely do not want to offend any of the conservatives and their on-again, off-again political correctness.
I was gonna mention the plastics/estrogen connection but Brandi beat me to it.
My question for the day is: Why isn’t K-Lo a nun? It’s looking as though she will never fulfill the role of good Catholic wife and mother. It seems to me that becoming a Bride of Christ would be a great career move for her. Oh, I know she’d never want to do anything like nurse the sick, work to feed and clothe the icky scabie-ridden poor, or teach little kids – she’s not bright enough to teach, anyway, and I can only imagine how many knuckle-rappings young K-Lo must have received from the sisters who were vainly trying to teach her to write proper English – but surely she could find some administrative slot to fill. Maybe she could be assigned to make some priest miserable, but I suspect most sisterin’ would be too much work for K-Lo.
K-Lo, Gluttony is one of the 7 Deadlies. So is Envy. And Sloth. I think you have a little soul examining to do. A convent would be just the ticket. Preferably a cloistered convent with a rule of silence. K-Lo, get thee to a nunnery.
Every time K-Lo takes a dump, some pristine part of the earth heaves a heavy sigh, keels over and dies.
How these people find their way home at night is really a mystery to me. Breadcrumbs, I suppose.
You think K-Lo or the Pantload leave any kind of crumbs behind?
not bread crumbs, cheeto crumbs, and I dare say they could find their way home via the cheeto crumbs because in the forests they wander, there are no birds or small animals. or trees.
Those fish I see stuck on the back of cars. Does that cross where the eye would be mean that they’re transgendered?
Also, cheeto crumbs are kind of fluorescent orange. You could actually see those babies in the dark, ‘specially if you were crawling on your hands and knees scarfing your way back up the path.
Oh, p.s.– If we’re all gonna be hatin’ on the pill, this is worth looking at. “You’d be happier if you were pregnant or lactating.”
“Why isn’t K-Lo a nun?”
Nuns can’t get the good Ben & Jerry’s flavors.
Just a guess.
These people are freaks; it’s that simple.
ice weasel, K-Lo would never eat that hippy Ben & Jerry’s ice cream. Well, not out in the open anyway. I can picture her heading into Walgreen’s wearing a bourka and buying several cartons.
Mountain Rose is making sense (comment at Aug 2, 2008 – 1:25 PM EST).
Read the whole thing.
You can chart K-Lo’s crazy thinking almost like a Grateful Dead setlist:
Casey Jones -> Need A Man -> Ballad of the Bitter Spinster -> The Other One -> Why Can’t I Get Laid -> Wasted Sperm Blues -> Scarlet Begonias -> Fire On The Mountain -> I’m So Lonely I Could Die -> Drums -> Space -> Crazy Fish -> Why Can’t I Get Laid (reprise) -> Blahhhrgh -> Childlessness Don’t Have No Mercy -> One More Saturday Night (Alone And With My Wine Box) -> We Bid You Good Night
Well YEAH.
I mean, everyone knows it is part and parcel of any Leftist ideology to be against, um, birth. Yeah. Birth.
Birth is a right-wing phenomenon. Left wing couples NEVER want children. They want to shoot up that LSD and overthrow governments and live on welfare. Um, ok, once they’re on welfare they need children, but then they just start drinking the bottled water, the devious fuckers.
But other than for welfare, Lefties don’t ever want children, and what’s worse is they don’t want us good god-fearing christian families to have children either, which is why they try to trick us into drinking tap water which is full of THE PILL. Motherfuckers…
mikey
Oh noes! Not THE PILL!!
It’s funny how these people who are terrified that THE LEFT are pumping our food and water full off THE PILL have absolutely zero idea how birth control hormone treatments work.
And they want to make sure there’s no damn regulation on industry preventing them from pumping whatever kind of goddam waste they bloody well WANT into the air, water and earth.
Damn tree huggers, wanting to interfere with commerce.
But don’t flush your stupid birth-control havin pee down into my goddam groundwater thusly interfering with my ideology and closely held ridiculous beliefs. Fucker…
mikey
Perhaps this has a self-interest taint, in that someone might have gotten the inkling they weren’t exactly planned… if you know what I mean.
I suspect a great deal of these folk had troubled childhoods, but not in a good way. Not in a way that turned them towards art or uplifting society, as so many have overcome such difficulties, but such oppressive atmospheres that they had not the wit to overcome, and instead, joined in their oppressors in celebrating their downtroddeness.
Well, something thinks “downtroddeness” is not a word, but I will post it anyway.
*2 vodka gimlets, but I didn’t drive.
Allow me to put on my lapsed Catholic/former Catholic schoolboy hat and explain to Djur and all of you the “abortion pill” thing. You see, birth control was probably the genesis of my decision to leave the church. Because that one never, ever sat well with me. Not only did it make no sense, unlike, say, “Thou shalt not kill” made sense, but I tried, repeatedly, and failed to get a satisfying explanation to this one. Eventually, I forget who it was, but someone, a religion teacher, or something, said that the reason that contraceptives like the pill were forbidden was because they could cause tiny little abortions. Of course, this is complete and utter bullshit, but for someone like K-Lo this underlying assumption is probably why she throws around the term “abortion pill” so interchangeably like that.
Yes, Paul VI predicted that in the encyclical Superbizarrus Hermaphroditicae Piscis.
Paul predicted that, too – in the encyclical Gigantor Piscis Phallus Eroticum Papos Copulatorum Sexo Freakae Maximus Spoogium, which he wrote very late at night in a Vatican broom closet.
Yeah, because after all, that whole lead plumbing thing worked out just fine for the Roman Empire. It’s not really defunct, it’s just on a really long hiatus.
Get back to me on the birth-control-pill-pollution thing when those fish start growing tits. I don’t know if it’s bioaccumulative, but mercury sure as hell is – & soon tuna is going to be about as good for you as homemeade absinthe. It’s already becoming a high-risk food for small children & pregnant women, & that ain’t due to no birth-control or morning-after pills. Smart animals do not shit where they eat – ergo, the name “homo sapiens sapiens” is very dubious taxonomy.
The oceans are rapidly turning into a nihilist performance-art piece centering around plastics, & this hideous little woman is getting her panties pretzelled over THE PILL? Fuck.
Context is to neocons as holy water is to Dracula.
You can chart K-Lo’s crazy thinking almost like a Grateful Dead setlist:
Holy shit, that’s hilarious!
Phew. I haven’t seen a setlist like that since Jerry died. Thanks for the laugh and reminding me of the old days.
Candy, K-Lo’s too mean and judgmental to be a nun.
Nuns get married to Christ and go out into the world to do his work, taking care of the sick and the poor and the forgotten.
She’d never get through her novitiate period.
which he wrote very late at night in a Vatican broom closet.
I just gotta say…
That’s fuckin FUNNY!
I’m pretty sure I was tweaking in the same broom closet. My favorite nun was picking holes in her face and trying to trim her pubic hair JUST a little shorter and it was 4:50 and a bunch of us were trying to put JUST a tiny sharper edge on the machete and…
mikey
Nuns get married to Christ and go out into the world to do his work, taking care of the sick and the poor and the forgotten.
She’d never get through her novitiate period.
A good point; as many bones as I have to pick with Catholicism in terms of their dogma (and please, who doesn’t?) it does create an outlet for genuinely spiritual people to give through.
So K-Lo, not a nun, not a mother of nine… what is she? Neither fish nor fowl?
Eventually, I forget who it was, but someone, a religion teacher, or something, said that the reason that contraceptives like the pill were forbidden was because they could cause tiny little abortions. Of course, this is complete and utter bullshit, but for someone like K-Lo this underlying assumption is probably why she throws around the term “abortion pill” so interchangeably like that.
Yeah, the anti-choice, anti-pill dogmatists focus on implantation to the exclusion of everything else that goes on when a woman takes the pill. They insist on pushing the argument that, even though the pill is supposed to prevent fertilization, there’s a possibility an egg could be fertilized and then it would fail to implant because the pill has affected the uterine lining.
She’d never get through her novitiate period.
Well, we can only hope that she does try, and in an order with a vow of silence too.
The flag pin raises the pic from disturbing to genius.
-but let’s suppose we accept the loony. That all estrogen and analog pollution is from birth control pills only – clearly a ludicrous assumption, but let’s just let that go. So, crazy pollution, we’re all going to grow breasts – even Rachel Ray – terror and interior design will cover the earth. Only, no – not even in the wingnut universe:
WTF?! A handful of fish are born transgendered – that’s the extent of the harm. Now granted that those fish will have seriously tough times socializing and developing into productive members of fish society – but fish society is way too regimented and intolerant as is. Perhaps if the spawn of some of the more influential fish are boys with ova, then fish society can be brought forward into the twenty-first century.
I just found out K-lo is two years younger than I am. That floored me. I was sitting around trying to decide if she was just bullshitting everyone about how she didn’t use birth control or really never has sex and ummm…wow, if she looks like that at 32.
Egads. I think she has her own scheme going for population control and is jealous of everyone else for not having to take her lonely path.
somebody needs to the bite the bullet and have sex with her, alot. Someone who has a healthy, regular sex life would not spend so much time and effort trying to take it away from everyone else.
Anyone? Anyone? Hey get back here!
*gag!* choke!* *vomit!*
Anyone? Anyone? Hey get back here!
Maybe if we just sent her a magic wand and some Traci Lords videos.
Well, she considered becoming a nun. So she prayed really hard to Jesus, telling him she was considering becoming a bride of Christ. And Jesus answered her, saying, “I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.”
“somebody needs to the bite the bullet and have sex with her, alot. Someone who has a healthy, regular sex life would not spend so much time and effort trying to take it away from everyone else.
Anyone? Anyone? Hey get back here!”
I would, but I’ve got this trick knee and the grill is in the shop and the pony is being washed, so the family really needs me right now. It’s not that I’m scared or anything. I definitely support the K-load sex surge. I mean, I’m a Patriot after all. It’s the Democrats who are sabotaging it! I’ve just got…other priorities.
Those aren’t crumbs. They’re brain cells.
And WereBear, neither fish nor fowl. The correct answer is “vegetable”.
Is K-Lo against sex or against enjoying sex? I’m assuming the latter since you have to have sex to have children and she’s all for Duggar-like families. The trouble is you can’t ejaculate without having some fun, and science has already found that uterine contractions during female orgasm help draw the sperm to the egg. Perhaps if she understood the practicality of orgasm she could get behind it.
Liberals? Like the diehard liberals down the hall from my lab space, who are currently engaged in this exact research?
Fellow grad-student dude just finished a masters on the presence of pharmaceuticals in local waterways. Pharmies are all slightly lipophilic, so they degrade fast, but not that fast.
Essentially, there is a plume of random crap (antidepressants, progesterone, caffine, vicoden,statins, everything) coming out of every single sewage treatment plant outflow. those fish arn’t just on birth control. They’re on every pain pill, SSRI, statin, what have you in the entire city.
Caffeine is actually remarkably resilient in the environment compared to most drugs.
The effects of this stuff arn’t huge, and are nowhere near as bad as the effects of basic nutrient-loading.
So, to answer the douchebag’s question about what liberals will do? The answer is “Not Much”.
2 things:
Think of the Fish is a wonderful title. Disturbingly, I thought at first it was referring to K-Lo as a fish, in perhaps the misogynistic-gay-man sense ahem. But soon I saw its true worth.
and
WHY 47?? YOU BASTARD! NOW YOU’VE DONE IT! Don’t you know that is the number of the shoggoth?? (And also the passenger capacity of A GREYHOUND BUS!) Ah well, perhaps I will be one of the lucky ones eaten first…
“So what does that mean for us and the fish? Nothing straight… ”
Yep the birth control pill will make us all liberated women and/or girly men.
Of course the Church knew about transgendered fish forty years ago. It’s known about for far longer than that. Remember the story of the loaves and the fish. Jesus actually had two male fish, but one birth control pill and enough time for the fish to get it on and…hey, viola! The masses get fed!
Perhaps K-Lo doesn’t know that another estrogen-mimic in the water is runoff from detergents.
http://meningioma.wordpress.com/2007/10/08/environmental-estrogen-pollution-fools-male-fish-into-becoming-female/
The answer is, obviously, not less sex but less washing. DFHs Rule! However, the thought of an unwashed K-Lo is deeply offensive to me, so I’ll say no more.
On another topic, my wife informs me that she went to school (Tubingen) at the same time as Pope Ratzo, who has told us he turned to the philosophy of Young Republicanism because of the DFHs at his university. She says she never … (“Well, really!”), but then she gets that look in her eye. So, blame her for the way the Pope turned out.
Simba B:
You see, birth control was probably the genesis of my decision to leave the church. Because that one never, ever sat well with me. Not only did it make no sense, unlike, say, “Thou shalt not kill” made sense, but I tried, repeatedly, and failed to get a satisfying explanation to this one. Eventually, I forget who it was, but someone, a religion teacher, or something, said that the reason that contraceptives like the pill were forbidden was because they could cause tiny little abortions.
Did we go to the same parish? I got a sort of similar explanation when I asked about it, at the age of twelve or thirteen, after our (very sweaty) principal taught the sex ed class. What really got me out of the church, though, was when I was told that birth control is wrong and capital punishment is still ok. I was told that babies growing up in broken homes with a parent/parents/foster parents were GOOD people, and that people who had honestly repented for their evil crimes were BAD people, and had to die. This is why I’m a heretic. The Catholic Church: 2000 years of regression.
Being chaste and ugly is no way to go through life. I wonder what she did in her previous incarnation to deserve this?
Since no one has posted it yet,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNgotUM4gk8
Sing along! E-ver-y sperm is sacred…
Fuck, where’s me post! Try again:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNgotUM4gk8
Every sperm is sacred
But what about the she-man fish?
Get with the program, K-Lo. The correct term is shish.
You mean the pope predicted transgendered fish forty years ago?
Hey, if Jesus could feed a multitude with just two fish, predicting their genitalia changes should be no sweat for His Deputy.
Yeah, because after all, that whole lead plumbing thing worked out just fine for the Roman Empire. It’s not really defunct, it’s just on a really long hiatus.
Don’t be an idiot – the Roman Catholic Church is the direct descendent of the Roman Empire, and lead in the water hasn’t affected them at all.
Mountain Rose is making sense
For a definition of sense that apparently starts with “insert icepick into frontal lobe through eye socket and stir vigorously.”
Can’t we have birth control without polluting the water?
This is like if K-Lo blew up a gay bar: “So now you have to pick, you sily libs – which do you like more, terrorism or homosexuals? Your knight our your queen? Your move bitches, your fuckin move.”
Er, The Pill was developed in the 50’s and made available to the public in 1960 — about 50 years ago, when America was enamored with the Rat Pack and the pope was John XXIII.
No amount of Wrongness will be left unexplored in the quest to make a wrong point wronger.
In the Catholic Church I attended in the 70s, birth control was considered a “matter of personal conscience.” There just wasn’t all that loony shit surrounding birth control. At least there wasn’t at my working class Irish-Catholic church. I don’t recall poor old Father, to whom I was a trial and tribulation, ever so much as mentioning birth control. I believe the poor old gent was totally embarrassed by the whole subject. Dude just wanted to fish and drink whiskey.
If only Pope John hadn’t died. The world might be a much better fucking place today. The church sure as hell would be.
OT – Just watched the film Heaven and Earth for the first time in a long time. What a wonderful movie. I also drank a very large amount of the cheap beer from the land of sky blue waters as well. Must crash soon. Observation: Sometimes cheap ass American beer is just the ticket. Ahhhhhh
I swear this woman eats a bucket of raw stupid every morning just after she wakes up.
Y’know, it occurs to me that it always goes back to communists (oh, sorry, “leftists”) putting something in the water supply. First they thought fluoride was going to destroy us, but instead our teeth just looked better. So they looked like complete nincompoops that even Stanley Kubrick was in a position to make fun of them.
Now, the pill’s to blame! Transgender fish! Booga booga.
Jack D. Ripper, coming to a blog comment thread near you.
K-Lo might want to think of the Jellyfish.
I wouldn’t drink water anyway. Fish fuck in it.
Peter Schweizer: The arrogance of uneducated liberals
in…where else…The National Post
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2008/08/01/peter-schweizer-the-arrogance-of-uneducated-liberals.aspx
Speaking of fish, is it a creature from the deep, a viral marketing hoax, a decomposing dog corpse… or K-Lo’s emaculately conceived baby?
too mean and judgmental to be a nun.
Wha–? I thought those were requirements.
K-lo’s problem–well, one of them, and the one most likely the cause of her distress–is that the only “Man” who could ever lover her, and whom she could love, died about 2000 years ago. K-lo has that typical, boad, meaty/pasty face of a medieval peasant girl with a ‘vocation,’ who should have taken vows–especially for silence– at age 12
“No amount of Wrongness will be left unexplored in the quest to make a wrong point wronger.”
This motto should adorn the top of every single rightwingnut blog.
j-lo doesn’t like people getting their fuck on
woody token librul: Strictly for research purposes, I find myself wondering what YOUR face looks like.
I’m going to Sea World!
I never understood this: If all nuns are married to Jesus, why is polygamy forbidden in catholism? Shouldn’t we all try to be like him? You know, grow a long hair, walk around wearing sandals and not work, and be “married” (one sided desicion) to multiple women who wish to serve us?
Or is this another case of management following different rules then workers?
I’m sorry this has nothing to do with the original post, but that lacks the necessary reasonable content to reply to.
If only Pope John hadn’t died. The world might be a much better fucking place today. The church sure as hell would be.
I think the same thing about John Paul I. He struck me as being a truly compassionate man of God.
Well, I can’t speak to the science of it all, but disgraced former Congressman Tom DeLay thinks polluters should not be held legally or financially responsible for any “extras” they introduce into the water supply.
And if it’s good enough for Tom DeLay, shouldn’t it be good enough for K-Lo?
Christ, what a supremely stupid woman. I hate to suggest her concern about … er … fish stems from personal frustrations but Jesus Christ shut up and get married already. Do your part to counter the billions of babies who are being not conceived by takers of the pill.
You’d think the neo-cons would be thrilled that pharmaceutical companies are raking in the profits while the fish turn into hermaphrodites. Ha ha! Take that DFHs!
k-lo finds her way home by simply retracing the slime trail.
MzNicky, I think the point was that even Nuns have their limits.
But I will say the only Nuns I know personally are extremely nice, at least around me.
LD:
Well, to be fair to Christ, all those women decided to marry him after he’d been sentenced to death row. And just kept sending offers even after the execution.
It’s kind of like those ladies that sent love letters to Ted Bundy before we electrocuted the shit out of him. Except two thousand years later.
Yeah, I found that out a couple of months ago as well. She looks at least ten years older than she actually is.
If the fish are happy in their new gender, I see no need to persecute them. Why does the right hate transgendered fish so? Are these fish not also Americans?
She’s right about the estrogen.
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Growing Concern Over Estrogen-Like Compounds In US Rivers
The American lifestyle of materialism has left an indelible impression on U.S. waterways, and no one knows the exact repercussions.
by Christine Dell’amore
UPI Consumer Health Correspondent
Washington (UPI) Oct 18, 2006
“A recent survey of bass in the Potomac River, a major tributary in the nation’s capital, found almost 100 percent of the smallmouth bass species were feminized, or had eggs in their testes. In largemouth bass the incidence of feminization was lower, but still highly prevalent.”
http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Growing_Concern_Over_Estrogen_Like_Compounds_In_US_Rivers_999.html
K-Lo is not incorrect on this. Teh Google should have been deployed first.
[Clif adds: Er, and your reading glasses should have been deployed before posting this comment. Although the study says that estrogen can feminize male fish, it notes that there are many sources of estrogen in municipal waste water, including the estrogen that can be found in female urine. So it doesn’t get you to K-Lo’s conclusion that birth control pills are the problem or that this is a reason to ban or label the pill.]
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“After an exhaustive seven-year research effort, Canadian biologists found that miniscule amounts of estrogen present in municipal wastewater discharges can decimate wild fish populations living downstream.
The research, led by Dr. Karen Kidd, an NSERC-funded biology professor at the University of New Brunswick (Saint John) and the Canadian Rivers Institute, confirms that synthetic estrogen used in birth control pills can wreak havoc on the sex lives of fish. Small amounts of estrogen are excreted naturally by women whether or not they are taking birth control pills.
Male fish exposed to estrogen become feminized, producing egg protein normally synthesized by females. In female fish, estrogen often retards normal sexual maturation, including egg production.
“We’ve known for some time that estrogen can adversely affect the reproductive health of fish, but ours was the first study to show the long-term impact on the sustainability of wild fish populations,” explains Kidd. “What we demonstrated is that estrogen can wipe out entire populations of small fish — a key food source for larger fish whose survival could in turn be threatened over the longer term.”
Kidd and her colleagues reported the findings last year in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America. She is also presenting the research at the prestigious 2008 American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) Conference during a session entitled, From Kitchen Sinks to Ocean Basins: Emerging Chemical Contaminants and Human Health.”
http://www.scientificblogging.com/news_releases/estrogen_again_chemicals_in_municipal_wastewater_devastating_fish
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Wow Doug. You’re $100 short and a week late. If you bothered to read many of the comments above, you’d see that various industrial pollutants (especially from manufacturing plastics) mimic estrogen and has been known for at least decade to be a problem.
Hey Katie, gunpowder is directly responsible for the DEATHS of millions.
Why not a ban on that?
Blue Buddha — read the story I posted. The study by Dr. Kidd specifically tested synthetic estrogen from birth control pills at a level similar to that found in municipal wastewater outfalls. Here’s another story:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/05/070521-sex-fish.html
Kidd and colleagues from Canada’s federal fisheries agency added the synthetic estrogen found in birth control pills to a remote, isolated lake set aside for such experiments in northwestern Ontario, Canada. For three summers the researchers added estrogen at levels found in untreated municipal wastewaters.
[Clif adds: Er, and your reading glasses should have been deployed before posting this comment. Although the study says that estrogen can feminize male fish, it notes that there are many sources of estrogen in municipal waste water, including the estrogen that can be found in female urine.]
Correct, but your point makes a distinction without a difference. Estrogen from birth control pills is one of the most potent sources of estrogen in municipal wastewater outfalls — and therefore it is a contributing factor and a significant part of the problem. Dr. Karen Kidd’s National Academy of Sciences paper says this:
Within this group of substances, the estrogen used in
birth-control pills, EE2, is one of the more potent estrogens
present (9) and has been linked to the feminization of male fishes
in rivers receiving municipal wastewater (4, 6).
http://www.pnas.org/content/104/21/8897.full
You write above:
Because, of course, none of the other chemical pollutants that are also found in in the nation’s waterways could possibly be responsible for this. So, I suppose the pill “could be” the cause. Of course, in that sense, gay marriage in California also “could be” the cause that the surge has allegedly succeeded in Iraq.
This statement is not true. Estrogen from birth control pills is undoubtedly one of the principal sources (and therefore causes) of estrogen-related impacts on fish populations below municipal wastewater outfalls. That’s precisely why Dr. Kidd used it as a proxy for all estrogens in her seven-year Ontario study.
The conclusions drawn by K-Lo in her column are insane, of course. However, the underlying science in K-Lo’s column is correct.
Cheers.
Which means we need to alter the estrogen that is being used in the birth control pills.
Or filter it out, as waste-water treatment plants are beginning to do.
And as someone else noted above, among the myriad medications wending their ways through Americans’ systems, how about Viagra and other “male enhancement” drugs? Ever occur to any of these science-y types that there might be some environmental damage resulting from such meds in male urine? Huh? Anyone? Anyone?
David Cross, sitting in a lifeboat: “Before I die, I’m gon’ fuck me a fish.”
Cheetos, not breadcrumbs.