Quite good. Ha ha to all the people who abandoned the show during/after Season Two. I win because I am entertained and you are not with your Two and a Half Men and the like!
While Sayid had a great fight, I was disappointed it did not end with some neck snapping like the finale last season.
What was the name on the “bill of lading” or whatever it was on the casket? Did the raft go whereever the Island did? And I’ve been waiting for Walt to come back, for some reason I figured he was Jacob. Any other ideas?
What was the name on the “bill of lading” or whatever it was on the casket?
It was a release form to claim the body, I think. And the name was “Jeremy Benthem”, which is apparently what Locke is going by, for reasons yet unknown.
Further down the rabbit hole.
For my money, though, “The Constant” from this season is the best damned episode of the whole series. Choked me right up, it did.
What Jim said. Also, we have to go by the old comic-book rule, which is: if you don’t see a body, don’t assume he’s dead. I have a feeling he’ll pop up unexpectedly at the end of an episode next season.
Michael, however, I think is no more. At last. I don’t know about Locke. I know he was dead in the casket and all, but he’s had worse. At the least, he’ll be a hell of a chess partner for Hurley.
And I hope they give Desmond his happily-ever-after. One of these poor bastards needs to get the girl and ride off into the sunset.
Oh — and Ben had better pray that Sun never finds out just why the boat went boom. Because yeah, Sun may be rivaling Sayid in Ass-Kickingness before too long.
I don’t think there’s a show I’m happier I haven’t kept up with.
Not that there’s necessarily anything wrong with Lost, but it seems basically pointless and not watching it has saved me hundreds of hours that I can instead spend staring off into space or pointlessly surfing the internets.
Hey brad, o/t, but after you recommendation last month, I have started on BSG. Am near the end of season 1 (on dodgy copied DVD) and am totally hooked, thanks for that!
I’m with Incontinentia Buttocks…I watched the first episode, which was enough: Folks, a plane crashes and an engine remains not only intact but running? Not bloody likely. Then people hang by this screeching menace as if they were former flight deck personnel…Yet another thing incongruent with reality. Said engine finally explodes after gobbling up an oblivious passenger (explain that please…oh, yeah right, fiction!)
Click! The channel is changed, for good.
Frankly, I was hoping that Desmond (“See you in the next life, brother”) would go boom on the ship. No such luck. But since Ben is certain to be gunning for Penny for revenge, well perhaps he’ll see the next life next season.
Of course, once they revealed that the occupant of the coffin was “Jeremy Bentham,” then it was clear that it was either Locke or Hume. Hume would be too busy crying, and shagging, and calling everyone “brother,” to be having a “cri de conscience” and be running around blackmailing each of the O6. So it had to be Locke. But why did he leave the Island? As usual, for every question answered another is left hanging.
Best line of the series, however, was Ben’s: “So?”
The flash forward was for Sun. They ran a flashback for Jin at the same time to keep his (presumed) fate hidden until the end of the episode. Narrative trickery.
Ben’s off-island haircut looks great. He could’ve said “How’s the beard working out, pretty boy? Loved you in Speed Racer, when I wasn’t puking” at the funeral home.
So is Linus a free agent now, just out for revenge, or is this part of one of his plans? If Ben kills Penny, and Sun kills Ben, who kills Sun?
We did learn that Sun THOUGHT Jin was dead. I’m not really sure why she blames Jack, as there are plenty of other fuckers to blame if in fact he is dead (which I doubt).
Great fight scene.
Glad Desmond is finally getting some trim from Penny.
Wha happen to Rose and Bernard?
I think Jeremy Davies and his little boat went with the island.
I love the fact that Jack and Ben et al have to drag John’s corpse with them in order to get back to the island. I foresee some Weekend at Bernies wackiness: “oh him? He’s just sleeping!”
“I don’t think there’s a show I’m happier I haven’t kept up with.”
Except “American Idol”, all the “Survivor” incarnations and anything on the CW.
Not a big fan of Smallville? Or, as I like to call it, Kristen Kreuk eye candy?
Of course, once they revealed that the occupant of the coffin was “Jeremy Bentham,” then it was clear that it was either Locke or Hume. Hume would be too busy crying, and shagging, and calling everyone “brother,” to be having a “cri de conscience” and be running around blackmailing each of the O6. So it had to be Locke. But why did he leave the Island? As usual, for every question answered another is left hanging.
I mean, I guess. It seems pretty clear that Locke took off from the island to bring everyone back again. But since he was paralyzed and dying when he left, reality probably caught up with him a la deus ex machinae (Spanish and Latin combine ftw!) and crocked him before he could do what needed doing. I’m betting a trip back to the island will put color back in his cheeks again because time travel makes everything better.
Oh — and Ben had better pray that Sun never finds out just why the boat went boom. Because yeah, Sun may be rivaling Sayid in Ass-Kickingness before too long.
I have a feeling she knows. Why else would she try and partner with Whitmore?
I have a love/hate thing with Lost. I like the intelligence in several places, but it’s rapidly letting the cliffhanger and hanging question hooks overwhelm the story rather than propel the story forward. The thing about dramas is that the audience needs some semblance that the story is progressing. I think this finale raised far, far more questions than previous Lost finales. (Overall, I think the structure of this season’s episodes has been poor, no thanks to the writers strike–they have gone out of their way to overly complicate the story that in the end, didn’t really add anything to experiencing the story any better.)
The finale had good action and tension, but it was unsatisfying in many ways that go beyond the desire to know what happens with the cliffhanger.
Sure, Locke is a corpse in a casket, but so was Christian Shepard, and he turned out fine.
Regarding Sun finding out about how the boat exploded, it could be that Ben will tell her himself. He seemed sickly when he talked to Jack, I don’t think being exiled from the island does him good.
But…. I don’t understand why Jack told Des that he hoped “he” wouldn’t find him. Widmore didn’t know he was on the island, did he? Or did he? Was that why Naomi had his photograph?
And how could Jack be sure that by playing along with the deception, Widmore would leave them alone?
And why did the captain of the freighter have the fake black box?
Etc, etc.
NBC do seem proud of all the reality show crap that’ll be on in it’s place over the summer and fall though. Punching Jimmy Kimmel in the Face looks like the highlight.
Oddly, Jeremy Benthem was an 18th/19th-century philosopher who espoused Utilitarianism, the belief that an act is morally right if it brings about the greatest happiness for the greatest number of people.
Hmmmm.
And check THIS out (from Wikipedia): “As requested in his will, his body was preserved and stored in a wooden cabinet, termed his “Auto-icon”. Originally kept by his disciple Dr. Southwood Smith,[11] it was acquired by University College London in 1850. The Auto-icon is kept on public display at the end of the South Cloisters in the main building of the College. For the 100th and 150th anniversaries of the college, the Auto-icon was brought to the meeting of the College Council, where he was listed as “present but not voting”.[12] Tradition holds that if the council’s vote on any motion is tied, the auto-icon always breaks the tie by voting in favour of the motion.
The Auto-icon has always had a wax head, as Bentham’s head was badly damaged in the preservation process. The real head was displayed in the same case for many years, but became the target of repeated student pranks including being stolen on more than one occasion. It is now locked away securely.”
I think we all know the LOST writers have a reason for everything, so draw your own conclusions.
Not seen this season yet, but I can tell you that Jeremy Bentham also came up with the idea for the Panopticon, a prison that was designed so that all cells were visible from a central tower–the occupant of the tower could theoretically be looking at any of the prisoners (pan-optic), but the prisoners were never sure when they were being looked at. The theory was that they’d have to learn to discipline themselves because of it. Seems to fit rather well…
Great Show, great season. Even better the second viewing. I believe Naomi may have been working for Penny without Widmore’s knowledge. When the island moved, it took the secondary island from season three with it. That most likely includes the zodiac boat and the survivors of the boat explosion. Of course, the doctor’s body showed up on the beach a good day earlier than he was killed, so it is possible that Jin and even Micheal made it to the island. ‘The Constant’ was exception TV, very ‘Slaughterhouse Five.”
I did. Dayum.
No – anything happen?
¿Why?
¿Did the polar bear kill someone?
That scarf was in the poorest possible taste and I’m writing whatever network that show is on.
Poor Jeremy Davies. Forgotten on that little punt with all those Random Other Survivors. Wonder when they’ll eat him.
Never seen a single episode. Is it written any better than 24? (I mean aside from the torture stuff, the actual badly written story.)
Maybe I’ll download a season of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km7WD8wkb1c
Bye Harvey!
Is it written any better than 24?
Yes.
Poor Jeremy Davies. Forgotten on that little punt with all those Random Other Survivors. Wonder when they’ll eat him.
I was wondering about that. They couldn’t have killed him off like that, right? They must have sent that raft to when (where?) ever the island went.
Jin = dead for reals? (sad face)
Quite good. Ha ha to all the people who abandoned the show during/after Season Two. I win because I am entertained and you are not with your Two and a Half Men and the like!
While Sayid had a great fight, I was disappointed it did not end with some neck snapping like the finale last season.
Jin = dead for reals? (sad face)
No.
It is interesting stories if he ain’t dead and Sun doesn’t know.
It is boring stories if he’s dead as they have made him out to be.
Also, if anyone’s dead on this show, they clearly start wondering around asking people to build them a house.
I kind of like badass Lady Vengeance Sun myself.
What was the name on the “bill of lading” or whatever it was on the casket? Did the raft go whereever the Island did? And I’ve been waiting for Walt to come back, for some reason I figured he was Jacob. Any other ideas?
What was the name on the “bill of lading” or whatever it was on the casket?
It was a release form to claim the body, I think. And the name was “Jeremy Benthem”, which is apparently what Locke is going by, for reasons yet unknown.
Further down the rabbit hole.
For my money, though, “The Constant” from this season is the best damned episode of the whole series. Choked me right up, it did.
Sadly, no.
Let the downloading commence.
Re: Jin —
What Jim said. Also, we have to go by the old comic-book rule, which is: if you don’t see a body, don’t assume he’s dead. I have a feeling he’ll pop up unexpectedly at the end of an episode next season.
Michael, however, I think is no more. At last. I don’t know about Locke. I know he was dead in the casket and all, but he’s had worse. At the least, he’ll be a hell of a chess partner for Hurley.
And I hope they give Desmond his happily-ever-after. One of these poor bastards needs to get the girl and ride off into the sunset.
Oh — and Ben had better pray that Sun never finds out just why the boat went boom. Because yeah, Sun may be rivaling Sayid in Ass-Kickingness before too long.
I don’t think there’s a show I’m happier I haven’t kept up with.
Not that there’s necessarily anything wrong with Lost, but it seems basically pointless and not watching it has saved me hundreds of hours that I can instead spend staring off into space or pointlessly surfing the internets.
…but it seems basically pointless…
Well, as pointless as any other fascinatingly dramatic series, I guess.
Haven’t seen it but I’m willing to bet the ending has a cliffhanger and the Lost are still Lost.
Glad you liked it, brova.
Now if you’ll excuse me, I haven’t had a good shag in a matter of years.
See you in the next life.
Not precisely a cliffhanger. And over six of them escaped.
Didn’t catch it yet. It’s on the ol’ DVR. But “HOE LEE KER RAPP” looks promising!
Hey brad, o/t, but after you recommendation last month, I have started on BSG. Am near the end of season 1 (on dodgy copied DVD) and am totally hooked, thanks for that!
“I don’t think there’s a show I’m happier I haven’t kept up with.”
Except “American Idol”, all the “Survivor” incarnations and anything on the CW.
There were some actual honest to god fucking ANSWERS.
THIS FUCKING SHOW
Didn’t we already know that Jin wasn’t dead? Didn’t he show up in a flash-forward earlier in the season, just separated from Sun?
I’m with Incontinentia Buttocks…I watched the first episode, which was enough: Folks, a plane crashes and an engine remains not only intact but running? Not bloody likely. Then people hang by this screeching menace as if they were former flight deck personnel…Yet another thing incongruent with reality. Said engine finally explodes after gobbling up an oblivious passenger (explain that please…oh, yeah right, fiction!)
Click! The channel is changed, for good.
Frankly, I was hoping that Desmond (“See you in the next life, brother”) would go boom on the ship. No such luck. But since Ben is certain to be gunning for Penny for revenge, well perhaps he’ll see the next life next season.
Of course, once they revealed that the occupant of the coffin was “Jeremy Bentham,” then it was clear that it was either Locke or Hume. Hume would be too busy crying, and shagging, and calling everyone “brother,” to be having a “cri de conscience” and be running around blackmailing each of the O6. So it had to be Locke. But why did he leave the Island? As usual, for every question answered another is left hanging.
Best line of the series, however, was Ben’s: “So?”
David-
The flash forward was for Sun. They ran a flashback for Jin at the same time to keep his (presumed) fate hidden until the end of the episode. Narrative trickery.
Ben’s off-island haircut looks great. He could’ve said “How’s the beard working out, pretty boy? Loved you in Speed Racer, when I wasn’t puking” at the funeral home.
So is Linus a free agent now, just out for revenge, or is this part of one of his plans? If Ben kills Penny, and Sun kills Ben, who kills Sun?
We did learn that Sun THOUGHT Jin was dead. I’m not really sure why she blames Jack, as there are plenty of other fuckers to blame if in fact he is dead (which I doubt).
Great fight scene.
Glad Desmond is finally getting some trim from Penny.
Wha happen to Rose and Bernard?
I think Jeremy Davies and his little boat went with the island.
I love the fact that Jack and Ben et al have to drag John’s corpse with them in order to get back to the island. I foresee some Weekend at Bernies wackiness: “oh him? He’s just sleeping!”
“I don’t think there’s a show I’m happier I haven’t kept up with.”
Except “American Idol”, all the “Survivor” incarnations and anything on the CW.
Not a big fan of Smallville? Or, as I like to call it, Kristen Kreuk eye candy?
Of course, once they revealed that the occupant of the coffin was “Jeremy Bentham,” then it was clear that it was either Locke or Hume. Hume would be too busy crying, and shagging, and calling everyone “brother,” to be having a “cri de conscience” and be running around blackmailing each of the O6. So it had to be Locke. But why did he leave the Island? As usual, for every question answered another is left hanging.
I mean, I guess. It seems pretty clear that Locke took off from the island to bring everyone back again. But since he was paralyzed and dying when he left, reality probably caught up with him a la deus ex machinae (Spanish and Latin combine ftw!) and crocked him before he could do what needed doing. I’m betting a trip back to the island will put color back in his cheeks again because time travel makes everything better.
Possibilities…
If Jeremy and the raft of Randoms got “moved” along with the island, the same may apply for Jin, who had enough time to at least jump off the boat.
Now I’m off to see what that commercial was all about.
Octagon Global Recruiting
Now I’m off to see what that commercial was all about.
You didn’t pick up on the whole “Dharma Initative” thing immediately? They’ve got the same symbol. It was even on the rum.
I did, I just meant I was going to go explore the site
Oh — and Ben had better pray that Sun never finds out just why the boat went boom. Because yeah, Sun may be rivaling Sayid in Ass-Kickingness before too long.
I have a feeling she knows. Why else would she try and partner with Whitmore?
I have a love/hate thing with Lost. I like the intelligence in several places, but it’s rapidly letting the cliffhanger and hanging question hooks overwhelm the story rather than propel the story forward. The thing about dramas is that the audience needs some semblance that the story is progressing. I think this finale raised far, far more questions than previous Lost finales. (Overall, I think the structure of this season’s episodes has been poor, no thanks to the writers strike–they have gone out of their way to overly complicate the story that in the end, didn’t really add anything to experiencing the story any better.)
The finale had good action and tension, but it was unsatisfying in many ways that go beyond the desire to know what happens with the cliffhanger.
Rose and Bernard don’t want to leave the island, because of Rose’s cancer, which (as far as they know) could return if they left.
I did love Rose scolding Miles for eating the peanuts without asking.
The real question is, why do they keep giving Locke British philosopher names?
Sure, Locke is a corpse in a casket, but so was Christian Shepard, and he turned out fine.
Regarding Sun finding out about how the boat exploded, it could be that Ben will tell her himself. He seemed sickly when he talked to Jack, I don’t think being exiled from the island does him good.
But…. I don’t understand why Jack told Des that he hoped “he” wouldn’t find him. Widmore didn’t know he was on the island, did he? Or did he? Was that why Naomi had his photograph?
And how could Jack be sure that by playing along with the deception, Widmore would leave them alone?
And why did the captain of the freighter have the fake black box?
Etc, etc.
NBC do seem proud of all the reality show crap that’ll be on in it’s place over the summer and fall though. Punching Jimmy Kimmel in the Face looks like the highlight.
I meant “Widmore” not “Whitmore.” Sorry.
Yeah, what’s up with the philosopher names. Presumably a clue about something I don’t have the energy to try to figure out.
That just wasn’t the Scott McClellan I knew.
One of my favorite exchanges in an episode full of fantasticness:
Christian: “You can go now.”
Michael: “Who the hell are you?”
Oddly, Jeremy Benthem was an 18th/19th-century philosopher who espoused Utilitarianism, the belief that an act is morally right if it brings about the greatest happiness for the greatest number of people.
Hmmmm.
And check THIS out (from Wikipedia): “As requested in his will, his body was preserved and stored in a wooden cabinet, termed his “Auto-icon”. Originally kept by his disciple Dr. Southwood Smith,[11] it was acquired by University College London in 1850. The Auto-icon is kept on public display at the end of the South Cloisters in the main building of the College. For the 100th and 150th anniversaries of the college, the Auto-icon was brought to the meeting of the College Council, where he was listed as “present but not voting”.[12] Tradition holds that if the council’s vote on any motion is tied, the auto-icon always breaks the tie by voting in favour of the motion.
The Auto-icon has always had a wax head, as Bentham’s head was badly damaged in the preservation process. The real head was displayed in the same case for many years, but became the target of repeated student pranks including being stolen on more than one occasion. It is now locked away securely.”
I think we all know the LOST writers have a reason for everything, so draw your own conclusions.
Thanks for the information.
Not seen this season yet, but I can tell you that Jeremy Bentham also came up with the idea for the Panopticon, a prison that was designed so that all cells were visible from a central tower–the occupant of the tower could theoretically be looking at any of the prisoners (pan-optic), but the prisoners were never sure when they were being looked at. The theory was that they’d have to learn to discipline themselves because of it. Seems to fit rather well…
Wait, lemme guess, Bobby Ewing stepped out of the shower?
Great Show, great season. Even better the second viewing. I believe Naomi may have been working for Penny without Widmore’s knowledge. When the island moved, it took the secondary island from season three with it. That most likely includes the zodiac boat and the survivors of the boat explosion. Of course, the doctor’s body showed up on the beach a good day earlier than he was killed, so it is possible that Jin and even Micheal made it to the island. ‘The Constant’ was exception TV, very ‘Slaughterhouse Five.”