Oh dear Gawd, she really did bring up Murphy Brown.

Wow. S,N! post deluge! I check out on the internets this weekend, and look what happens.

She’ll have to go back before the pill. It all started when the female orgasm was reduced from a stoning offense to a mere 30 lashes.

Shorter Clownhall commenters:

Everything started going down hill when we stopped killing teh gays.

…and the light switch in my bedroom controls the price of tea in China.

*click click* *click click*

Take that you damned chinks!

So the best way to fight gay marriage is to ban the pill.

There ya go! Pope Paul VI was right all along.

…and the light switch in my bedroom controls the price of tea in China.

Take that you damned chinks!

Instant win.

My God, I thought you were kidding about Murphy Brown. Then again, I’m fairly sure she’d advise we vote against Dukakis, too. NEVER TRUST A GREEK!

Ever notice how these opponents of the pill don’t have working uterii? Either because they never had one to begin with or because like Ms. Liebau, they’re 10 years past the expiration date?

Jennifer:

Shades of the George Carlin rant:

“Ever notice that most of the people against abortion are the kind that you’d never want to fuck in the first place?”

Nice effort, but if you fail to simultaneously tie the legalization of contraceptives into Brown vs. Board of Education and the creation of the income tax, you’ve missed a chance to broaden your key reading demographic.

I like her hat.

Gay marriage has less impact on the FAMILY than Seranwrap. Of course the Republicans will use this CA court decision ferociously to make the claims that they have been making for the last 25 years at least. Their outrage will have the same consequences now as it had 25 years ago: zero. They will be satisfied with lots of ranting and zero real impact because their constituency is the threat to traditional family values. Capitalism, not “out” gay culture, is the cause of hypersexualized society. A proof that I currently prefer is the image of women in aviation. Until the jet age women aviators were as equally courageous as their male counterparts. Along came the jet age. Flying boomed and women as in-flight sex kittens promised those guys who were a little uncertain that there was more to flying than just a gigantic time advantage. Corporate marketing, delivering value to the consumer, commoditization – they are the threats to traditional family values to the extent that they will stop apparently at nothing to increase profit.

Yes o’scrod, but yelling at the fagwads and femihitlers is so much more fun. I mean, you don’t expect them to start yelling at old, rich white men do you? Not gonna happen. Well, maybe Al Gore and Micheal Moore, but the point stands.

Well, maybe Al Gore and Micheal Moore, but the point stands.

Both fags. Al Gore loves the environment and Michael Moore paid a personal visit to Charlton Heston and didn’t even fellate him.

Wait, wait. Birth control pills cause more births? This is giving me a headache. And if birth control is teh eevil, that would obviously include headaches.

No, silly Tara. Birth control–but, wait, not birth control; The Pill–causes people to be interested in having sex, which they weren’t until then. How do we know? Because Carol Liebau is a “traditionalist.” We may infer, then, that traditionally people didn’t have sex for “recreation” until the Pill made them (for whatever reason) decide that it would be fun after all.

Plus she uses the word “validly,” which I think she uses invalidly.

Gay marriage has less impact on the FAMILY than Seranwrap.

Traditional family values are undermined by Saran Wrap’s tremendous sexual allure, especially in conjunction with Roy Orbison…
http://www.michaelkelly.fsnet.co.uk/karl.htm

Yeah, nobody had sex for fun or just because it felt good in the entire history of the world, until 1960. Then sex became an amusement park ride, like the Tilt-A-Wheel or bumper cars.

By the way, I read a book on a Colonial New England village that reported 60% of births were from women who got pregnant when they were unmarried.

The fact that the pill made it easier for people to have recreational sex without entering into the bonds of marriage is a compelling argument for making a law prohibiting certain people from entering into the bonds of marriage.

I think I see what she’s trying to say, but….ah, bullshit. she’s fucking nuts.

God help me, I clicked through…

Decades ago, the invention and ready availability of reliable birth control successfully decoupled childbearing from sex.

Yes, because reliable birth control is a very recent development. Before the 1960s, no one anywhere, ever had sex except for purposes of concieving. Also, I hear Jewish people have to do it through a hole in a bedsheet!

completely divorcing the sex act from the potential for procreation converted sex into just another recreational activity

Well, not “just” another recreational activity. I mean, foosball and table hockey are recreational activities…

In turn, the establishment of “sex as recreation” led to the decoupling of sex from marriage.

Yes, sex outside of marriage is a totally modern and new occurance. The notion of sex as anything other than procreative is a completely modern occurance unique to our time and society.

those who remember the “Murphy Brown” brouhaha can attest

Those of us who actually do remember the ‘brouhaha’ remember it because the Vice President chose to directly criticize a fictional character by speaking to her in the first person. Fic-tion-al char-ac-ter.

It’s like the folks at Clownhall do their historical research by looking at old Saturday Evening Post covers, and their editor simply looks to see if any words are underlined with squigglies in MSWord before approving the column.

Colonial New England village that reported 60% of births were from women who got pregnant when they were unmarried.

In the old days, women actually proposed to men by lifting their skirts to reveal their distended bellies. A playful bride-to-be might paint a clever message on her stomach or feign surprise, but the classic method was simply to invite him over to her parents house for dinner and wait until everyone was looking.

A playful bride-to-be might paint a clever message on her stomach

And thus a cultural icon was born.

Let us not forget that the latest religious right crusade is to boycott Starbucks for reviving the 70’s era logo with that slutty mermaid spreading her legs [of course, mermaids don’t have legs, but what’s facts when you can have outrage instead?]

To be fair, g, that Starbucks crusade seems to be mainly the work of one man.

One crazy, crazy man.

Susan of Texas said,

May 19, 2008 at 16:23

Yeah, nobody had sex for fun or just because it felt good in the entire history of the world, until 1960. Then sex became an amusement park ride, like the Tilt-A-Wheel or bumper cars.

By the way, I read a book on a Colonial New England village that reported 60% of births were from women who got pregnant when they were unmarried.

Back in the Sumerian/Babylonian days (ah yes, that good ol’ whore of Babylon!), a type of herb was used for inducing miscarriages, sort of an ancient version of the “morning after pill”. The herb was used so much that it went into extinction. Traditional Chinese/Japanese medicine also use a different type of herb for such purposes.

So yes, there was a “pill” before the pill. But of course, in the theocon’s world, history stops at 1950, then skips back ~1900 years to Jesus, then stops again a few years prior to his birth.

Can we lock her in a cage with Phyllis Schlafly? I’d like to see what happens when Ms. Pratt Liebone accuses Phyll of using the pill thereby causing one of her sons to catch teh ghey.

To be fair, g, that Starbucks crusade seems to be mainly the work of one man.
One crazy, crazy man.

Not only does he crusade against seductive fish-women, but he’s also a Ron Paul supporter and a 9/11 truther. He’s an all-purpose loon.

And hisResistance Manifesto has “insights… vital to our overcoming the sinister forces now confronting us on every side.”

Snorghagen said,

May 19, 2008 at 17:50

Not only does he crusade against seductive fish-women, but he’s also a Ron Paul supporter and a 9/11 truther. He’s an all-purpose loon.

The only thing that’s missing is subscribing to David Icke’s lizard alien overlord theories.

Condoms have been around for a very long time, maybe even 3,000 years.

Let’s say all contraception disappers in a poof! of smoke. What do these nuts think will happen? The babies won’t “accidently” die in infancy? Be abandoned? Sold? That wealthy women won’t go abroad “on vacation” like in the old days? And the laws are different now. You knock up a woman, you pay her for 18 years, by law.

And of course men will willingly get veneral diseases again. Sure. No problem.

We need to call these nuts, even when they’re religious nuts, what they are–stupid. Stupid about history. Stupid about biology. Stupid about human nature. Stupid about healthy societies. Stupid period.

It’s should be clear by now that the gay marriage movement is fueled by bipedal locomotion.

The only thing that’s missing is subscribing to David Icke’s lizard alien overlord theories.

Oh no! I was unaware of that threat. That’s another goddamn sinister force to worry about.

Perhaps we can overcome the lizard aliens by having recreational sex with them, thereby inducing their offspring to become gay reptiles. I’ll check with Carol Platt Liebau and find out what she thinks.

It’s should be clear by now that the gay marriage movement is fueled by bipedal locomotion.

I knew Fred Flintstone was sweet on Barney Rubble.

Oh no! I was unaware of that threat. That’s another goddamn sinister force to worry about.

Well, Hillary is both a lesbian, AND a shapeshifter so… you know, big sigh of relief that we dodged THAT!

“Yeah, man, I’ll tell you what, that dang ol’ Internet, man, you just go out on there, and point and click … talking about ww dot w com and you got them that naked chicks on there, man, you go click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click — it’s real easy, man.”

Holy mackerel, that shapeshifter video was weird. About halfway through I really wanted to see the eye slit. “I’ve wasted a whole 45 seconds on this thing – she’d better have goddamn iguana eyes!” But sadly, nothing. I love that David Icke stuff. It’s so deliciously retarded.

Well, Hillary is both a lesbian, AND a shapeshifter so… you know, big sigh of relief that we dodged THAT!

Are you sure we dodged it? She might have eaten Obama in some kind of weird cannibalistic ritual, washed him down with a shot of whiskey, and shape-shifted into his appearance.

The only question is whether she’ll be able to avoid McCain’s slithering mind-control tentacles.

I remember the little nimrod posting every discredited GOP talking point in the book on Huffington Post. Not that I missed her, but I did wonder where she went (for like half a second or so).

Btw, site-pimp:

http://www.below-the-fold.com

I thought the Nanny State was a bad thing and telling other people how to live their lives was socialist. I guess the only place the government belongs is between your knees, which is a damn strange place to start, if you ask me.

“confronting us on every side”
Thanks Snorghagen, this made me laugh out loud.

With empathy (and, perhaps, a measure of respect for the mothers who chose not to abort), the larger culture refrained from criticizing unwed mothers…

…aaaand that’s about when I stopped reading

If the traditionalists are going to have any hope of prevailing in the marketplace of ideas, they will first have to find a way to explain to an ordinary American why, sometimes, “private” sexual behavior is, in fact, everyone’s business.

Good luck with that, honey.

The answer is, in a Democratic Republic, based on the Rights of the Individual above the State, and the Rule of Law based on Reason, yes – such decisions are properly made only at the individual level. Unless the State can offer evidence based on Reason that harm is otherwise being done, the State has no business telling a free Citizen how to think – or behave.

What are ya Joe, some sort of Liberal Fascist?! Go back to Sweden asshole!

The Nanny State–like Federalism, foreign intervention, judicial activism, and a host of other absolutist rhetoric–is bad when your political opponents are for it. How hard is that to figure out?

What’s best about her piece is that she asks the important question at the end but hadn’t a single answer to it in the rest. Her blaming of sluts for making homos acceptable is laughable enough in the first place, but her doing so without any counterarguments other than a “Shame on you, fallen women!” makes for some vocalized chortles.

Only a Repub wingnut would link an effective contraceptive to the birth of -anyone- let alone gays. The best way to end, or nearly stop abortion is universal access to birth control.

Perhaps we can overcome the lizard aliens by having recreational sex with them, thereby inducing their offspring to become gay reptiles.

Silly, they’re not lizards, they’re mermaids. With legs!

David Icke’s lizard alien overlord theories

There is such a thing? And I missed it?

I have to stay in more.

In turn, the establishment of “sex as recreation” led to the decoupling of sex from marriage.

Here, let me fix that for you:

In turn, the establishment of “sex as recreation” [for people who couldn’t afford mistresses] led to the [socially acceptable] decoupling of sex from marriage [for women as well as men].

There. Now it’s just stupid rather than insane.

Perhaps we can overcome the lizard aliens by having recreational sex with them, thereby inducing their offspring to become gay reptiles

zomg! You’ve been reading my ‘V’ fanfic, haven’t you?

Then sex became an amusement park ride, like the Tilt-A-Wheel or bumper cars.
I have so been going to the wrong amusement parks.

I guess the only place the government belongs is between your knees,
That is the kind of Nanny State I like. Especially when it wears the Mary Poppins costume and starts off by telling me what a naughty boy I’ve been.
I’m ready for the hairbrush now, Nanny.

*scratches head*

Roy Orbison?

Then sex became an amusement park ride, like the Tilt-A-Wheel or bumper cars.
Come to think of it, the Tilt-a-Wheel & bumper cars also make me throw up, so the analogy is beginning to make sense.

Her concluding sentence: “If the traditionalists are going to have any hope of prevailing in the marketplace of ideas, they will first have to find a way to explain to an ordinary American why, sometimes, ‘private’ sexual behavior is, in fact, everyone’s business.”

Good luck with that, Carol.

Is ‘traditionalist” a new conservative buzzword? I keep hearing it. Perhaps they are running away from “conservative” (as ‘liberal” became “progressive”).

POTENTIAL PROTIP: to save time & expensive bills for therapy, I prefer to use the “10th-Word Test” with this kind of crap. If I can go that far adrift on my latest excursion into Lake Whackjob without being deafened by the air-raid siren hooked up to my Bullshit-O-Meter, I will make any reasonable effort to get through the whole thing, even as I silently calculate how far away the nearest store that stocks Gravol is located – & whether I can get there in time to avoid a disgusting incident.

This failed it.

Nor did the 2 comments I scanned fill me with lusty cravings for the other 115.
Recommend promising her a set of Deluxe Ben-Wa Balls if she never types again.

Then sex became an amusement park ride, like the Tilt-A-Wheel or bumper cars.

Many physicians warn that attempting to engage in sexual congress while strapped to the front of a bumper car can lead to serious injury.

If I have a choice, I’d go for the Tilt-a-Whirl, as it’s officially known.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilt-A-Whirl

Anything that can mix sex and chaos theory is my kind of ride!

Actually, it’s Tilt-a-Whirl.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilt-A-Whirl

And anything that can combine sex and chaos theory is my kind of ride!

It says a lot about Snorghagen’s local amusement park that the staff are forced to post that sort of Health Warning on all the equipment.

It says a lot about Snorghagen’s local amusement park that the staff are forced to post that sort of Health Warning on all the equipment.

And don’t ask how they get the notices to adhere.

So slightly OT but interesting nonetheless (I hope)…

Mrs. OneMan, OneDaughter and I were in NYC over the last week, where by happenstance a friend (who is substantially involved in Planned Parenthood) was also in town on PP and (holy crap…) UN business.

We managed to meet for dinner at a posh Manhattan establishment where our friend pulled from her purse and passed around the table a female condom. I’m not honestly sure about the whole story but my understanding is that PP wants to work with the UN to get these distributed in places like Africa to help women protect themselves without having to depend on unreliable men-types for contraception and HIV prevention.

My embarrassment as the only male at the table while these women were passing the package around needs only to be touched upon briefly. The value of such a device is obvious to me and the best part is that it could be sold on the basis of the apparently “enhanced experience” that accompanies its use.

Win-win all around, I say. PP rocks as usual.

If the traditionalists are going to have any hope of prevailing in the marketplace of ideas, they will first have to find a way to explain to an ordinary American why, sometimes, “private” sexual behavior is, in fact, everyone’s business.

She implied that it’s everyone’s business because when women believe they can control their fertility it leads to babies being born to single mothers, and she believes boys with single mothers are always gay and the girls are always sluts, which she assumes is bad for society. Wow. That will require a many-tiered study to verify all those assumptions. Plus you would need to prove that abortion wouldn’t be a satisfactory solution. Plus you would need to show that better sex education wouldn’t help women actually succeed in better controlling their fertility.

After there have been umpteen studies proving that all of Liebau’s assumptions are correct, she is going to have to explain to the millions of married women who are now on the pill, that they must give it up so that unmarried women will be too frightened of pregnancy out of wedlock to have that recreational sex that married women with 2.1 children take for granted now. (Their husbands may not be easy to convince either.) I think she’d also have to convince everyone to reinforce the fear by resuming the “traditional” punishment of children born to unmarried mothers, referring to them as “bastards,” rejecting them socially and attempting to prevent them from marrying into “decent” families. Which refusal of matrimony to the cursed illegitimate could turn into a vicious cycle, but never mind.

Is that going to happen? No. But will that stop Liebau and other idiot conservatives from pretending they’re holding the line against the concept of “recreational” sex by denying marriage to gay people? No. Even though the recognition or non-recognition of gay marriage will have zero effect on the number of births to single mothers.

If they REALLY wanted to attack that problem at its root, they need to go back before the pill to the growing acceptance of divorce in American society. The “evil” that Jesus himself actually forbade–divorce and remarriage–is just alright with them, even though they get their knickers in a knot over teh ghey, which Jesus didn’t even mention.

The blind spots among the self-righteous are huge and self-serving.

Sadly, a majority of MEN in California support a constitutional amendment to ban same sex marriage while women are much more evenly split according to a recent SUSA poll

Not wanting to use actual numbers to defeat her theory of course …