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Posted on January 24th, 2008 by Gavin M.
Study: False Statements Preceded War
Above: Well, but at least they’re not fascists.
- Bush lied about the pre-invasion Iraq posing a threat to the US? He totally did not lie. So what if he so-called ‘lied?’ Nobody can ever know the truth, in this crazy world. Eat my fist, you hateful messenger! Zowie, man (heh-heh); I can’t even grok what they’re talking about here. No, he did not ‘lie.’ I am glad he lied.
‘Shorter’ concept created by Daniel Davies and perfected by Elton Beard.
I think I’d be easier if they just counted the times Bush didn’t lie. They could have just used their fingers to add ’em up.
It is a shame that sometimes Our Leader has to make some slight exaggerations so that the liberal fascists won’t immediately surrender to the nearest Caliphate that comes near.
“If the President does it, it’s not a crime.” -Richard Nixon
“If the President says it, it’s not a lie.” -George W. Bush
These things can usually be “shorter”ed into a brief, sub-verbal cry. “Skreee!” is my preferred usage.
Let’s see what the first headline is in that link: George Soros Funded Study Says Bush Lied
Soroooooos!
*shakes fist at sky *
Why are the reichtwingnutz still mad at Jane Fonda?
They just like to be angry. They like to have that fire in their belly.
Guess they didn’t get their breakfast Wild Turkey shots before the parade.
Skreeeeeeee!
If someone says the earth is flat just because they don’t believe all the evidence that it’s round, does that make them a liar? Maybe not, but it would make them dangerously incompetent.
I hate it when Soros’ funding makes up actual quotes. That is so unfair.
Other shorter:
Liberals are such fascists, I mean – ZOMG THE SUPREME LEADER OF OUR DEAR FATHERLAND IS BEING STABBED IN THE BACK BY A RICH JOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
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White Male, Jew of Liberal Fascism said,
January 24, 2008 at 0:35
“If the President does it, it’s not a crime.” -Richard Nixon
“If the President says it, it’s not a lie.” -George W. Bush
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What he said.
Well, Bush only lied because the American people are too stoopid to realize how many tax-payer dollars could be funneled to Halliburton, Bectel, the Carlyle Group and so on and so forth. I mean, you know, we have to keep our priorities straight here…
So what we have are a collection of statements made by the administration that have been shown to be demonstratively false. You get really an A, B or both situation. Either A) the administration misled the country intentionally or B) they colossally made a huge mistake in estimating the capabilities and intentions of Saddam. Wingnuts seem to argue that B’s the case (when not going completely loony and arguing the WMDs are in Syria) and yet farcically argue that given B), it shows that Bush employed exemplary wisdom in dealing with Iraq.
Insightful Analysis, Sober Reason
Kristol, Feith, Rice, Rumsfeld, Powell, Hadley, Krauthammer, Broder, Woodward, Quinn, Novak, Klein, Goldberg, Malkin, Limbaugh, Weiner, et. al.:
[2002-2003] Teh Pestident ROX! He is2 cool n teh WAR IS TOTLEE EPIC RIPPIN AWSOM! All LIBRULS TRATORS! AMERICA RULZ! RAGHEDS DIE! USQ! USA! USA!
[Now] Uh — LIBERLS U SUK!
Isn’t it fascist to even make the accusation that Our War President would lie in general?
Are you suggesting that Our Commander In Chief is somehow not manly enough to lie to us if it’s truly needed for our benefit and betterment? Have you no shame?
I hate it when Soros’ funding makes up actual quotes.
It’s actually quite remarkable–here all this time I thought “money talks” was just an expression, but here, the wingnuts have definitively proven that Soros’ money quite literally dictated the content of the report. Quick, somebody put a muzzle on Soros’ money before it reveals something else!
Are you suggesting that Our Commander In Chief is somehow not manly enough to lie to us if it’s truly needed for our benefit and betterment? Have you no shame?
When you put it that way, I guess I’m way out of line. Our War President could hardly be considered a man if he subscribed to the “female social emotion” of honesty.
I guess I’m a fascist too.
I, for one, would like to share a beer with Bush and listen to his sweet little lies all afternoon.
Good to know Web Wingnuts are still fighting the good fight about what most Americans and the rest of the world has known to be the truth for years – that Bush and his gal pals lied about our fucking awesome war.
Keep up the good fight you lost 5 years ago, righties.
It’s only a bad thing because traitors like Soros have told everyone about it. If no one had ever disproved these lies, there wouldn’t be any problem. Damn Soros! Damn Media Matters! Spreading filthy, propagandistic, treasonous truths! I for one am glad we have a President willing to stand up to the truth mongers. Damn Truthy-fascists.
Given that the “case for war” was made up entirely of 1)admittedly fake claims of Iraqi attempts to buy yellowcake uranium; 2)claims of stockpiles of WMDs that UN inspectors knew did not exist after Gulf War I up until at least mid-1998; 3)claims that livestock trailers were being used as mobile germ warfare labs (because a drafty livestock trailer is exactly the type of environment you need for producing and handling dangerous biological agents); 4)corroded aluminum tubes that every nuclear expert stated could not be used for nuclear weapons production; 5)doctored audiotapes and cribbed grad school student theses presented to the UN as “proof” and 6) my personal favorite, that Saddam was going to pilot, via remote control, balsa wood model planes across an ocean and use them to spray our homes with anthrax…how can anyone doubt that they were being 100% honest with us?
Christ on pogo stick, your local prosecutor would be laughed out of the courtroom if he attempted to prosecute a case based on such flimsy “evidence”. The only people who didn’t know they were lying are those who are not in the habit of actually thinking about anything they are told. In other words, the entire American press corps and wingnuts.
You have to keep telling yourself that the left is the hateful side of the spectrum.
Because if you used your own eyes and ears, you might come to a different conclusion.
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Here’s a great comment clipped from Michelle’s site.
“I don’t think with them or the Dems its about Self-Delusion, but rather misinforming the American people. A misinformed electorate is just as dangerous as an uninformed electorate.”
Whoa! Use the mirror much? Physician heal thyself.
Also, they’ve proven that if a Democrat or dirty filthy liberal might have given money to any organization, said organization is a left wing nut farm.
Don’t even get me started on how what Bush and Co. said wasn’t really what they said and fantasy VS. reality and stuff.
My favorite…..
He didn’t lie about WMD he was proven wrong!
From Jules Crittenden, as linked @ memorandum:
Where & when does the stupidity end? Anyone want to debate him on whether or not Bush is the president? Or explain the story of “The Spoiled Little Rich Kid Who kept Crying ‘Wolf!!” to Julie?
Roosevelt lied too! The Japanese did NOT bomb Pearl Harbor! The German’s did not start WWII and kill millions of Jews & Gays and Gypsies, and anyone who disagreed with them–in fact they were peaceful vegetarians and exercise nuts!
Roosevelt made all that stuff up! So it’s OK for Bush to lie. Clinton had a BJ!
The right-wing blogosphere is beautiful when viewed from a certain perspective.
They’re SO invested they take all the shit the Monkey In Chief throws at them and call it food.
There’s something to be said for loyalty, and the perfect storm of ignorance, intellectual inconsistency, and authoritarianism.
Senior members of the Bush administration lied 935 times in the months preceding the invasion of Iraq. That might look like overwhelming evidence in favor of the libruls, but in fact, it is central to my point.
He didn’t lie about WMD he was proven wrong!
Also: Democrats agreed, so they must have lied, too!
The fact that Bush’s statements were demonstrably untrue is irrelevant. What matters is that a Soros-funded organization said those statements were untrue. Since Soros is pure evil, any statement that his minions say is false inevitably becomes true. Therefore, in saying that Bush lied, Soros transforms Bush’s statements into truth. It’s simple, really.
Just remember – Soros spelled backwards is ‘soros’. Think about it.
And I should also mention that (a) any information coming from a liberal source is false, and (b) all disagreeable information comes from liberals. Therefore, all unwelcome information is false.
You know the episode of Seinfeld where George started doing exactly the opposite of what his gut told him was right? I’m pretty sure that if Bush were to TAKE AWAY $1800.00 from every American family, that he’d probably have hit upon the correct formula for economic stimulation.
Face it, EVERYTHING he does is the opposite of what he SHOULD do!!
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It doesn’t matter what the pond scum say to exonerate Bush. Those of us living outside America have long memories. We will find it hard to raise any sympathy when the inevitable blowback from this administration’s many errors reduces America from a first-world superpower to a second rate regional power living on fading memories of former glory.
I hadn’t counted on seeing it in my lifetime, but thanks to GWB, I give it less than thirty years.
I have an ‘I Told You So’ T-shirt being prepared as I write…
Since Soros is pure evil,…
Don’t Touch It!
It’s Pure Evil!
Not everything. He makes a fucking fool of himself every time he opens his mouth and he should make a fucking fool of himself every time he opens his mouth.
Curse you reality! Curse you for contradicting the Pretzledent!
More comment hilarity, from Flopping Aces
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Thank you Scott, 158 pages refuting leftist lies, that’s awesome. Even Snopes (who IMO try really hard to avoid condemming any leftist statement) has a long Article
admitting the leftist did make statements that Saddam had WMD and must go. Course they try to hedge their statements by trying to say that some were out of context, that some statements were political statements and not meant to be believed, etc,etc.
January 23rd, 2008 at 8:02 am
Snopes – not exactly a lefty organization but not exactly fighting everything statement that doesn’t support Republican positions. Bastard Snopes!!!
Right Wing=The stoopidness of being on auto-anti.
They like to have that fire in their belly.
Too bad most wingnuts haven’t figured out that the “fire in their belly” is symptomatic of the fact that Prilosec, Cheetos and cheap beer don’t mix.
Back to Michelle’s comment section.
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On January 23rd, 2008 at 11:16 am, SHoward said:
Does anyone here that thinks Bush was dishonost know whether or not there were actually WMD’s on the ground in Iraq prior to the war?
Someone already mentioned Syria. Isn’t it quite possible that the intelligence was 100% correct, and that the biggest smoking guns were removed during the run-up to the invasion?
This is at least as likely as the intelligence being wrong.
Seriously. 5 years later and they still think an David Iraqicopperfield dissapeared the weapons to their good pals in Syria. I wonder what they transported all those biological weapons in? Dolls? Play-doh cans? In ACME truck trailers?
So what we have are a collection of statements made by the administration that have been shown to be demonstratively false. You get really an A, B or both situation. Either A) the administration misled the country intentionally or B) they colossally made a huge mistake in estimating the capabilities and intentions of Saddam. Wingnuts seem to argue that B’s the case (when not going completely loony and arguing the WMDs are in Syria) and yet farcically argue that given B), it shows that Bush employed exemplary wisdom in dealing with Iraq.
His Grace:
Yeah; but when you say it that way, you give the wingnuts WAY too much credit for having brains they’ll never use.
We will find it hard to raise any sympathy when the inevitable blowback from this administration’s many errors reduces America from a first-world superpower to a second rate regional power living on fading memories of former glory.
I hadn’t counted on seeing it in my lifetime, but thanks to GWB, I give it less than thirty years.
As long as there’s a flippin’ Starbucks on every other street corner, there will always be an America!
Over at ClownHall, the wingnuts no longer even bother arguing whether BushCo lied.
Their new line is “Congress lied, too!!!!!!!!”
They don’t seem to know or care that Congress saw only the “intelligence” which BushCo chose to share with them.
As Senator Jay Rockefeller (D-WV), Chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, put it:
“Don’t you understand the way Intelligence works? Do you think that because I’m Chairman of the Intelligence Committee that I just say I want it, and they give it to me? They control it. All of it. All of it. All the time. I only get, and my committee only gets, what they want to give me.”
The stupidity among the right-blogoshpere is, as a MUSLIM golf pal-Dr. once put it, is “crapdiculous!”
Great guy. Probably a terrorist. 64 years old, playing with youngsters, laughing and joking his ass off…I just KNOW he was angling to blow us all up on the golf vacation we do annually.
He had a chance, too. Lots of quiet time out there on a good golf course. I think his shoe-bomb must’ve failed.
P.S. Chris Matthews is a dick with oddly homosexual tendencies.
Not that there is anything wrong with that, of course, just wishing that Chrissy and the Mrs. (who doesn’t want to see HER interviewed by a Clinton supporter?) would deal with it.
Since the Clinton’s sex life is so much in play, so should be Chrissy’s.
“So, Chris, when did you last make love to your wife, who I must say is pretty hot?”
Objections from Chris are easily defended, given Matthews’ record of panty-sniffing.
THAT’S good TV.
I’m a big fan of non sequiturs, and I also like odd names. In that spirit, it seems like a good time to point out that CNN is quoting somebody named Dick Harpootlian. That’s just fun to say. “Harpootlian.” Heh. It’s almost an adjective, innit? “Harpootlian: to be, or have the characteristics of a harpoot.”
As Senator Jay Rockefeller (D-WV), Chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, put it:
“Don’t you understand the way Intelligence works? Do you think that because I’m Chairman of the Intelligence Committee that I just say I want it, and they give it to me? They control it. All of it. All of it. All the time. I only get, and my committee only gets, what they want to give me.”
Uh…yeah…but then this is just an indictment of the stupidity of our political class. Because, seriously, when they started goin’ Austin Powers with the remote model planes and anthrax…if it didn’t occur to you at that point, if not before, that no one would ever make such a far-fetched claim unless they didn’t have anything real to show you…then you’re a fucking idiot. You don’t need to see any intell to know that’s grade-A horseshit.
Pure anything is expensive . Polly Purebred and Pure Evil are among the costliest .
Now you know why Underdog and Soros are Rich
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Snorghagen said,
And I should also mention that (a) any information coming from a liberal source is false, and (b) all disagreeable information comes from liberals. Therefore, all unwelcome information is false.
Wow. That’s probably the most elegant formulation of wingnut logic I have ever seen. Straight up mad props to Snorghagen, as the kids used to say.
Motherfucker! Broke my blockquote.
It’s not ‘lying’, it’s ‘serving a higher truth’.
The bourgeois notion of truth as something comporting with reality is archaic, outdated, dead.
Bush’s statements are more than true.
They transcend, and soar above, the old, dialectally bound categories of ‘true’ and ‘false’.
They support the Party in its unique role as Vanguard of the Glorious Revolution. They possess Revolutionary truth!
All correctly oriented cadres know this. Duh!
Kristol, Feith, Rice, Rumsfeld, Powell, Hadley, Krauthammer, Broder, Woodward, Quinn, Novak, Klein, Goldberg, Malkin, Limbaugh, Weiner
Please don’t do that again.
I’m with Mortician.
Now I need some Neocon-Sporin….
mikey
Where does it end Malignant Bouffant?
It ends when Jules’ son goes off to school in the morning and end up a red stain under tank treads before he gets there.
It ends up when mothers in Albany or Iowa City or Sacramento are unable to buy groceries because they’re afraid of snipers on the route to their local market.
It ends when average Americans feel the same pain and uncertainty and fear as they’ve inflicted upon countless innocents worldwide since the end of WWII.
That’s when it will end.
Kristol, Feith, Rice, Rumsfeld, Powell, Hadley, Krauthammer, Broder, Woodward, Quinn, Novak, Klein, Goldberg, Malkin, Limbaugh, Weiner
Slower! Slower! One at a time please.
Wow. That is some intense denial over there at Special Ed’s.
I don’t know what’s sadder — the belief that since the Evil Jew George Soros is involved in this, the lies aren’t lies, or the sense that anyone out there in America is willing to listen to their bullshit. They’re idiots and they’re irrelevant.
Man, November is going to hurt like a bitch for these mouthbreathers.
The comments on that site are the saddest circle jerk in the history of man.
Ssssh, ssshh. It’s OK. It’s OK. Mean ol’ Soros won’t hurt you no more. Ssssssshhhh.
Now I need some Neocon-Sporin….
Fresh out. However, I have several other arguably medicinal options available. Something from the bar, perhaps?
Ah, lies.
Next year, there’ll be a study that shows, based upon sworn affadavits, that only 28% of Americans ever voted for Chimpy.
“Just remember – Soros spelled backwards is ’soros’. Think about it.”
Food for thought, indeed…I’ll bet his phone number’s the same backwards and forwards too making it that much harder for us to find and question him about his motives.
We know where they are. They are north, south, east and wast of Baghdad. On a turkey farm.
Yeah…those were lies.
“Next year, there’ll be a study that shows, based upon sworn affadavits, that only 28% of Americans ever voted for Chimpy.”
Yep.
Just like Vanilla Ice sold 3 million records, but nowadays no one wants to cop to buying one.
“Man, November is going to hurt like a bitch for these mouthbreathers.”
From your mouth to God’s foot up their asses. (God can do that. He’s God.)
The white Jew is the male of liberal fascism.
I don’t have the patience to wade through that — can anyone fill me in on how they explainaway the fact that we never found WMDs in Iraq?
Do they insist we really did find WMDs there just like C-Plus Augustus promised us we would, and the evil Zionist hippie liberal media is covering it up? Or is there an even more retarded conspiracy theory?
Where’s Gary/Saul/Booger? I miss his witty rejoinders.
Probably stuck in detention…
“The white Jew is the male of liberal fascism.”
Oh, you can do better than that. How about “The white liberal is the Jew of male fascism”? Or “The white fascist is the Jew of liberal male-ism”? “The fascist male is the liberal of white Jewism”? They all make the same fuckin’ amount of sense as the original.
The story I’ve heard for the missing WMD, is that they were spirited away to Syria. Some stories in this genre also suggest some sort of a Russian connection – perhaps because Russia and France wanted to make Bush look bad. Like they need help…
The truth is, George Soros is a liar and a scumbag. President Bush did not lie about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction. He ordered the invasion of Iraq with good intentions but with faulty intelligence. However regardless of whether Iraq ever posed a threat to American National Security is now irrelevent. The only thing that matters now is that we are there and we can not cut and run or all of our brave men and women who died fighting the enemy would have died in vain and all the progress we made setting up a democracy would be in vain. You may find this surprising but I agree with you liberals that if we had to invade Iraq again knowing what we know now we wouldn’t. I personally think invading Iran would have been a better choice since they are religious fanatics and Hussien was secular. But the fact is we are there and the terrorists followed us and we have to defeat them, we can not cut and run. If we do the islamo-fascists will think America is weak. America is not weak we are the most powerful Nation in the History of the World, we must win this war!
oh, fuller Syria story – a couple of Iraqi truck drivers are supposed to have said they drove the trucks full of WMD into Syria. Which tale they probably told in exchange for a hot meal and a pack of cigarettes…
It’s an interesting universe to live in, where an invading entire US military doesn’t notice a convoy of trucks trying to leave; and where there isn’t even a paper trace of any WMD’s of any sort, nor any Iraqi scientists even alluding to the same now that Saddam’s gone…
For a while too, the rightie blogs were pushing that some translation of a large number of Iraqi documents would show there were WMD’s. Somehow that hasn’t yielded much besides eyestrain and irritable wingnuts.
“The truth is, George Soros is a liar and a scumbag. ”
Then why doesn’t he work with Richard Mellon Scaife?
Yeah. What happened is every single intelligence network on the planet turned their surveillance satellites away from Iraq for a few years because Hussein said he was going skinny dipping in the Euphrates and didn’t want anyone to peek. And because everyone is such good sports and nice guys they said “Honor bright Saddam, we will not peek.”
And so the entire fucking world turned its satellites towards the moon just to be extra certain they wouldn’t catch a glimpse of Saddam’s bottom and they waited. After a while they got tired of waiting and every so often someone would say: “Are you done yet Saddam?” and he’d say “No, not yet! [snicker] Oo! Look at me, I’m all naked! Don’t peek while I’m bathing!” And everyone would go back to watching the moon because they didn’t want to embarrass Hussein and America was extra special careful not to look because America would rather drink raw sewage and burn its eyes out with a hot poker than to be thought of as the type of country that likes to look at naked men. (This is why all the other countries won’t use the Men’s while America is in there except for Sweden, those sluts.)
But because Hussein was such a rotter he wasn’t skinny dipping at all. He was smuggling his “biggest smoking guns” (and supposedly his big, medium, small and minuscule smoking guns as well) into Syria and because everyone else was so nice and decent and honorable, they didn’t see a thing.
The End.
“The Jew liberal is the fascist of white male-ism” ?
The truth is, while I’ve tried to enjoy listening to Spoon, they’re kind of boring.
“The liberal is the fascist of white J(ew)ism” ?
Does anyone else on here ever wonder what really went down with Bush Jr. the day they claimed he choked on a pretzel?
Because I think anyone who accepts that “pretzel” story is missing something. Something went down with Bush Jr. that day, and his handlers considered it better for the whole world to laugh at him like a clumsy oaf than to know whatever really happened.
But, maybe it was true; after all, Dick Cheney shot an old man in the face while out drinking on his hunt for trapped, placed, wing-trimmed quail, and the old man apologized for the trouble he himself had caused.
So because we’ve lost 3,000 soldiers in five years, we should stay another hundred years like McCain says and lose, what, 60,000 more? Stellar logic there, champ.
Look, the odds of democracy flourishing in Iraq are slim to none, but even if it does come, it’s going to look like Lebanon, i.e. a democracy that embraces the radical Islamic politics — or, translated into third-grade conservative speak, “Islamofascism!” — and represents everything we’re supposedly fighting against. Even if we “win” we lose.
And all the while, we continue to grind down our military, lose more and more good men, and waste more and more money on a quixotic crusade.
Those are the facts. And all the Capital Letters and Foot-Stamping in the World isn’t going to change that.
Thanks for breaking down their explanations for the nonexistent WMDs.
I’ve already read my daughter three fairy tales tonight, and I didn’t have the patience for any more.
Then why doesn’t he work with Richard Mellon Scaife?
Does anyone else remember when Soros announced he was funding liberal causes and the right went apoplectic over it, like their side hadn’t been getting similar billionaire bucks from Scaife, Coors, Olin, etc. etc. since the 1970s and before? (The WSJ had an editorial about it along the lines of “liberals should imagine what would happen if conservative billionaires did the same thing!” IF?)
I still can’t tell if it’s genuine stupidity or calculated ignorance. It takes one or the other to support the GOP these days.
“Yeah. What happened is every single intelligence network on the planet turned their surveillance satellites away from Iraq for a few years because Hussein said he was going skinny dipping in the Euphrates and didn’t want anyone to peek. And because everyone is such good sports and nice guys they said “Honor bright Saddam, we will not peek.””
Nice and LOL. Why do I even bother to post here when everybody is funnier than me? Or perhaps it’s because I’m really stoned and everything is funny. Time to go read Day by Day and see if I laugh.
My favorite one of all the ridiculous Iraq war justification lies was the yellowcake uranium from Niger.
Not because of what Valerie Plame or Joe Wilson knew.
But mainly because Iraq already fucking possessed THOUSANDS OF FUCKING TONS OF YELLOW CAKE URANIUM, the fucking Niger nuclear facility was GOD-DAMNED FUCKING GUARDED BY THE GOD-DAMNED FRENCH FUCKING MILITARY, and I think perhaps FUCKING SOMEONE MIGHT HAVE GOD-DAMNED FUCKING SEEN A FUCKING GOD-DAMNED MASSIVE FUCKING CONVOY OF GOD-DAMNED ***TRUCKS*** CARRYING HUNDREDS OF FUCKING TONS OF URANIUM ACROSS THE FUCKING DESERT TOWARD GOD-DAMNED FUCKING IRAQ.
That was my “Get Your War On” moment of the day. Oh, and did I mention that Iraq had already possessed thousands of fucking tons of the yellow cake uranium it was accused of wanting from Niger?
By the way, none of this thread could be posted in the Thom Hartmann show chat room. They apparently consider it a warning offense to call someone a knucklehead.
I agree it is not America’s job to spread democracy to third world countries. America’s job is to kill the islamo-fascists and destroy al-queda. However since we are already there we might as well give it a shot. Who knows, the backward tent dwelling savages might surprise me and actually accept democracy.
Iraq has done the same thing for the US that Afghanistan did for the Soviet Union.
Bankrupt us, that is, and end our reign as the world’s only superpower. And we totally fucking deserve it (not you and I, but the nation, for being so brain-dead gung-ho for an obviously stupid idea).
You don’t have to worry about us being in Iraq for even 5 more years; once the economy really goes down the shitter, the Chinese aren’t just going to keep loaning us the money for a never-ending war. Once they stop writing checks, the game will be up.
My misguided spaghetti spined liberal friends, in almost five years of warfare in Iraq, America has lost only 3000 American troops! Compare that to world war 2 when in only four years America suffered 300,000 American troops killed! As far as warfare goes look at the history books, 3000 dead is nothing!
DrB Science said: “The truth is, while I’ve tried to enjoy listening to Spoon, they’re kind of boring.”
I caught them by accident on Austin City Limits a few years ago, and liked a few of the songs enough to um, borrow them from a friend on the Internet. “Jonathan Fisk” and “Small Stakes” are good, if you haven’t heard them, but I know what you mean. There’s a “sameness” to their stuff, but not a good kind of sameness like you get with the Ramones or AC/DC.
Or, compare it to the Black Plague, which took 1/3 of Europe! Compared to the Black Plague, those 3,000 servicemen and women are nothing!
Or, the Permian Extinction, which killed up to 70% of all land families and 95% of all sea life.
Compared to that, 3,000 lives are like, pfhhh!
Jackson said,
January 24, 2008 at 4:15
I don’t have the patience to wade through that — can anyone fill me in on how they explainaway the fact that we never found WMDs in Iraq?
Here’s a few choice comments from the wingnuts typing at Froomkin:
amazd wrote:
infuse wrote: Just like the yellowcake from Niger. The WH had been warned but chose to use those sixteen words regardless.
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What do you believe to be untrue about the President’s statement? Even Joe Wilson acknowledged that Iraq sent a trade mission to Niger, and Niger’s only significant export is yellow cake Uranium. The British stand by their information.
What do you believe to be untrue? And why is your information more reliable than the Senate Intelligence Committee’s bipartisan report?
1/23/2008 8:27:04 PM
Votingis4Suckers wrote:
Uh where is the study coming from this group detailing the “lies” by every member of congress and the last two presidents about the WMD in Iraq? Or the lies by the British intelligence agencies and Tony Blair? Or how about the lies by the Kurds that were gassed they were all faking it right? You people really are jumping all over this crap when just like the last “study” Soros funded that was proven false. For years the template by you idiots was 650 thousand civilians in Iraq dead oh no. Then proven false you guys act like you never parroted lies and do not seem at all like you even care that you are being used to promalgate another lie. Wow you idiots are like the beaten wife that just keeps coming back to her husband.
1/23/2008 8:17:13 PM
steve4 wrote:
Hey Turkeys,
Look up who made the study, another Soros hit group. If that guy hates this country so much, then he should leave….. and take as many lefty whiners with him ….
1/23/2008 8:07:53 PM
My Favorite:
amazd wrote:
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Amazing to me that the lefties think patriotism is opposing their elected government. Rejecting the results of elections and the decisions of the courts is not patriotism.
1/23/2008 8:18:48 PM
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Does anyone else on here ever wonder what really went down with Bush Jr. the day they claimed he choked on a pretzel?
Oh, yeah, to be a fly on the wall!
The great mystery of the Bush administration that I’m waiting to be revealed on someone’s deathbed is what ACTUALLY happened when Andrew Card walked into the second grade classroom on 9/11 and whispered in Bush’s ear.
If you recall, Card says that he whispered, “Another plane has hit the tower; America is under attack.” If you look at the video of this, Card whispers this, then immediately withdraws, without waiting for a reaction or a question for Bush. Bush himself doesn’t ask a question, doesn’t turn and make eye contact, doesn’t do anything.
If you believe the official story, then you would have to believe that George Bush, after hearing that America is under attack, didn’t have any questions about it. That he didn’t have any instructions for his staff. That he didn’t want to immediately contact someone. That he wasn’t stunned, or shocked. You’d have to believe that Andrew Card didn’t expect his boss, the President of the United States, to have any questions, or have any instructions to give him. You would have to believe George Bush is the most incurious man on earth, and that his staff knew it.
But I don’t believe that.
I’m not a conspiracy theorist at all – I don’t think Bush knew, or they were conspiring anything dastardly.
What I believe is that they were caught looking. What I believe is that Andrew Card, instead of informing the President, gave him instructions and absolutely zero information. The only thing that explains why Card spoke, and then withdrew without waiting for a reaction, and why Bush didn’t turn and question Card, is because Card said something on the lines of “Something’s going on. Stall for time while we ask Dick what we should do. And pretend everything’s cool.”
And the only “cover up” is the tall tale they told to make Bush look less incompetent than he really was. I would be really grateful if someday Andy Card decided to come clean.
America’s job is to kill the islamo-fascists and destroy al-queda
According to State Department figures, Al-Qaeda in specific and terrorism in general has grown at dramatic rates since we went into Iraq. By your metric, we’re flunking the job.
And remind me — whatever happened with Osama Bin Forgotten?
My brother in law had to meet a plane returning home with three casualties from Iraq. They are always kids, and their families are devastated.
Killed for Dick Cheney’s oil profits.
Booger, you’re a little pile of shit. And that’s all you’ll ever be.
I would be really grateful if someday Andy Card decided to come clean.
I have it on good authority that waterboarding is an effective and humane way to get information like that.
“What I believe is that they were caught looking. What I believe is that Andrew Card, instead of informing the President, gave him instructions and absolutely zero information. The only thing that explains why Card spoke, and then withdrew without waiting for a reaction, and why Bush didn’t turn and question Card, is because Card said something on the lines of “Something’s going on. Stall for time while we ask Dick what we should do. And pretend everything’s cool.””
That’s interesting. My only quibble is that, if you look at Bush’s face in that video, he has a very particular sort of frightened and *overwhelmed* look on his face.
So I could see something like “Looks like we shouldn’t have blown off that PDB. Terrorists took down half the World Trade Center. I’ll go find out what Cheney wants and get back to you.”
Some dickhead: said: “My …friends, in almost five years of warfare in Iraq, America has lost only 3000 American troops! Compare that to world war 2 when in only four years America suffered 300,000 American troops killed! As far as warfare goes look at the history books, 3000 dead is nothing!”
Let’s break this down: I’m not your friend, dickweed. Your cavalier bullshit elides the Iraqi dead who number in the hundreds of thousands. Furthermore, you act as if dead American soldiers didn’t have lives and families. I invite you to attend a military funeral and pat the parents on the back as you tell them we’ve “only” lost 3000 troops. Perhaps you can explain to the American people that “3000 dead is nothing” when it comes to war, thus Sept. 11 wasn’t really so bad, after all. Finally, you say 300,000 troops died in World War 2. Should I hold my complaints until Iraq hits 10% of that? What is the acceptable number of dead American soldiers in Iraq?
Yeah, and for the Pretzel – I think either Cheney ‘disciplined’ Bush, or Bush got drunk and passed out.
Pretty much OT, but I just got a robocall from the Repubes. “If the presidential election were held tomorrow, who would you vote for? Press 1 for Fred Thompson, 2 for Rudy Giuliani, 3 for John McCain, 4 for Mitt Romney, 5 for Ron Paul, 6 for Mike Huckabee, or 7 for Undecided.” I waited for the “None of the Above” option, or for the “I’d rather die than vote for a Republican” option, but alas. The recording was over. I hit 7, thinking at least I’d register as someone who can’t stomach any of these guys. The recording started over. Same deal. I pressed 7 again. It started over, like they were gonna force me to choose somebody. I hung up and got a glass of wine.
Jeff Gannon, with a ball gag, in the Oval Office.
The truth is, the Iraqi dead are not America’s problem. The Iraqi people are a bunch of ungrateful tent dwelling savages who should be kissing America’s Red White and Blue ass for freeing them from a despot like Hussien. The only lives I am concered with are American lives. I know I may have unintentionally sounded cold and callous by saying 3000 dead soldiers is not alot, but you guys in your typical liberal fashion are taking what I said out of context. Of course it is a tragedy when any American soldier is killed, I am deeply sorry for those who have lost their lives in defense of freedom they are brave and deserve our honor. I wish no American troops were killed. What I meant was that as far as warfare goes 3000 deaths is not alot COMPARED TO PAST WARS! But I somehow think you liberals knew what I meant and just decided to take it out of context just like you did with Rush Limbaugh about his so called “phony soldiers” comment.
So, apparently, if you’re a wingnut, George Soros is like a better-dressed Cobra Commander.
Yo Joe, I guess.
I totally believe it, g.
Will. Not. Engage. Evil. Troll.
“The truth is, the Iraqi dead are not America’s problem. The Iraqi people are a bunch of ungrateful tent dwelling savages who should be kissing America’s red, white, and blue ass for freeing them from a despot like Hussien.”*
Error: Irony not found. Abort, Retry, Ignore?
So how many more Americans that you care oh-so-much about need to die before you care enough to want to stop it? 50,000? 200,000? 2,000,000? How much longer are you going to stare at the blood trickling from your hands before you say, “Huh, maybe i should put a bandage on this.”?
Without bothering with google, I’m going to go ahead and claim that more Americans have been killed and wounded FIGHTING terrorism then have even been victims of terrorism; notwithstanding that Iraq has nothing to do with al Qaeda.
*Original post slightly edited for basic grammatical errors, and the fact that colors are not proper nouns.
The truth is, the Iraqi dead are not America’s problem. The Iraqi people are a bunch of ungrateful tent dwelling savages who should be kissing America’s Red White and Blue ass for freeing them from a despot like Hussien.
Right. Who needs all your friends and relatives to still be alive and well when you’re free — free, I say! — from the oppression of Saddam.
And yeah, we lost more soldiers in World War II. We also accomplished our mission, defeating the Japanese Empire *and* Mussolini’s Italy *and* the Third Reich all at once. And we did it all in less time than the Chimperor has kept us in Iraq.
Please tell me you’re a spoof, or at least twelve. The thought of you voting is the single strongest argument against democracy I’ve ever seen.
Well, it’s not like it’s particularly high quality troll, Mortician. Think of it more like a game of “kick the small yappy dog” then “I actually care what you have to say, and your words bother me.”
The truth is, the Iraqi dead are not America’s problem.
Do all conservative trolls use this type of grammar? Or is this Gary Ruppert, Mental Defective Detective, gone undercover?
My only quibble is that, if you look at Bush’s face in that video, he has a very particular sort of frightened and *overwhelmed* look on his face.
So I could see something like “Looks like we shouldn’t have blown off that PDB. Terrorists took down half the World Trade Center. I’ll go find out what Cheney wants and get back to you.”
Oh, yeah, frightened and overwhelmed, yeah, but the specifics? Nah. Even the most self-absorbed dullard, if told terrorists bombed the WTC, would at least pluck at Card’s sleeve and pull him back long enough to go, “No shit? You’re kidding, right?”
Maybe Card said, ” If you open your mouth I’ll have that guy there [indicating Secret Service] shut it for you.”
Trolls: By their catch phrase shall ye know them.
The only thing that scares me more than terrorists, is George Soros.
“Let me tell you something George. [says Dick Cheney on the phone to Bush Jr. after the towers have fallen on 9/11]. This is how it’s gonna go down. You thought you could handle this. Thought you could do it without a lot of work. Well let me tell you this. You deal with this wrong, and you’re finished. But it doesn’t have to be. If you listen to every god-damned word I tell you right now, you’ll not only get through this. It might just get us everything we’ve god-damned wanted. Make your decision. And make it quick.”
I think my reaction to Bastion/Gary/Saul can be best summed up by a post someone had regarding Freepers:
“I…
I wish it were possible to push a button and rape people around the world.”
in almost five years of warfare in Iraq, America has lost only 3000 American troops!
Sammy was from Georgia. Tusseled brown hair, big calloused hands, great big smile. It pretty much didn’t matter what you asked him to do, night ambush, LP, whatever, he’d just grin and do it. In a firefight he never thought about backing up, he’d put out rounds and watch the sergeants. If they said advance, he’d advance. Grinning. If they said hold, he’d hold, and tell us some crazy crap about okra and cornbread. Come sunrise, we’d go out and kill the fuckers in the wire, and he’d sing and keep our minds off the horror.
So there we were. Pinned down again, outside the Fishook, incoming fire and green tracers bouncing around our stupid, sad, strung out line. Perimeter? Not even close. Sammy didn’t much like much of that shit. He rose up and fired a mag into the brush on the left. He went forward and fought them eyeball to eyeball. He did the things you want a hero to do, but he did them for his own reasons. And he died.
I went forward, and I I took Sammy in my arms. All the times we spent together, smoking weed on top of a bunker, watching the outgoing and the tracers, laughing about the madness. Now it’s so much later, and I’m here and he’s not.
Sammy’s not here ’cause he bled to death in my arms. I held him and watched the life go out of his eyes. I went and met his parents and his brother, an experience I did not enjoy. I lost a friend, but more than that, WE lost a guy who got it, and was willing to laugh at it all. A brother in arms that might have been something so special, so powerful, so important, so all the things I never had the courage to be, and he died in my arms.
So. You wanna talk about thousands of lives? But you can’t, because thousands of lives have no meaning. It’s the one life, the one that you KNOW, the one that you can never understand, the loss that can never be explained.
I can never tell you how much I hate these bastards, and what they stand for, and how responsible they are for the worst horrors and tragedies, and how there’s nothing to say, and nothing to be done.
But I’ll leave you with this. If the result of this most horrific power grab is violent revolution, then I WILL be delighted to bring the fight to the people who created the horror in the first place. And that is worth considering….
mikey
Booger, If you ain’t a parody, you’re a turd.
I am not a parody my liberal friend, I am a real Conservative and I believe every word of what I say.
It’s both a parody AND a turd. A floor wax, and a dessert topping. Etc.
A new poll in Florida.
Rudy, dude, crank up the 9/11. Crank it way up!
“The truth is, the Iraqi dead are not America’s problem. The Iraqi people are a bunch of ungrateful tent dwelling savages who should be kissing America’s red, white, and blue ass for freeing them from a despot like Hussien.”
So, if in fact you’re not a parody, Bastion – that makes sense to you?
The Iraqis are ungrateful because we’ve killed hundreds of thousands more of them than Saddam did – because they’re better off because at least they didn’t die under Saddam?
Who, of course, was put in power and then maintained in that power by the US for years, and the US had no problem with Saddam killing as many people as he wanted as long as he did what we said…but that’s a separate subject…
Yeah, we’ve only lost (according to http://www.antiwar.com/casualties/) 3931 soldiers, 3222 in combat. We’ve also had nearly 30000 injured. I would say that the reason deaths are so low isn’t that our soldiers aren’t being shot or shredded, but the fact that medical science can save them for a life of disability and disfigurement instead of the death they would have faced with 1940-era medicine.
Also, the Iraqi deaths are not America’s problem? Who killed them? Who is causing the next generation of Iraqis to despise us because we murdered their families?
Oh wait… this post isn’t funny. Ummm…. I guess I just don’t find anything funny about ignorant warmongering.
Rudy, dude, crank up the 9/11. Crank it way up!
It’ll be like The Smurfs.
I 9/11’d over to the store and 9/11’d a 40 ounce which I 9/11’d in the parking lot.
am not a parody my liberal friend, I am a real Conservative and I believe every word of what I say.
And you’re a total turd. You aren’t worth the shit in your own drawers.
The fact is, thesed are liberal lies, and I need you to provide proof of these outrageous claimes, and unless the sources are cited in MLA style I will dismiss them as fraudulent and Soros-created. If only we had sugardaddies like him maybe we’d get the truth in the media once in a while, but it is the Liberal Media and biased.
The fact is, Saddam was put in power by communists and Islamofascist terrorists, with the purpose of restoring the caliphate using nuclear weapons. You cannot deny these facts, unless you are biased.
unless the sources are cited in MLA style I will dismiss them as fraudulent and Soros-created.
You know what, Gary? Whether you dismiss or don’t dismiss something doesn’t mean a rat’s ass to anyone on this blog. Dismiss away, asshole.
Classic Gary would never insist upon commie-fascist-white-male-hating MLA formatting. Accept only the original!
It’ll be like The Smurfs.
I 9/11?d over to the store and 9/11?d a 40 ounce which I 9/11?d in the parking lot.
Rudy does hurricanes too. He’s very versatile.
Are we still talking to the trolls? You guys realize that this is like trying to convince the Bangladeshi telemarketer who calls you during dinner to switch to the other wireles carrier.
(click the link!)
Wow, I suggest that BB is really Gary and suddenly, in an incredible coincidence, the real Gary quickly shows up.
This must be what Lois Lane felt like all those years….
Well, and here I thought that saying trolls were paid shills was a bit tinfoily. The error is mine, and I really should have expected that kind of BS from these guys; after all, they’ve got to do something with all the wingnut welfare that can’t be shoveled at the “top” names. These fuckers never give up, do they?
I guess this is what eighteen-year-old Heritage Foundation staffers do.
You know, when they’re not being put in charge of reconstructing the Iraqi stock market and things like that.
Wow, I suggest that BB is really Gary and suddenly, in an incredible coincidence, the real Gary quickly shows up.
This must be what Lois Lane felt like all those years….
Pfffft… Gary isn’t BB. Gary has glasses
We HAD to put Saddam Hussein in power and maintain him for so long because otherwise, it would have been the communists.
Freedom isn’t free. (Certainly not for the people we’re trying to free. Or the taxpayers. It’s certainly quite profitable for the defense industries and other Bush cronies. But they deserve the money because God likes them better. So you liberals can SUCK IT!)
Liberals. Hmf.
Oh. Sorry, Gary, I missed your posts on the subject. I thought we were justifying everything by saying “Communists” this week. My e-mail was down for a few hours and I must have missed the memo from Rush that we are denying everything this week.
You liberals are a bunch of liars. We never had anything to do with ANY arms sales to Iraq. That is just a liberal lie.
Liberals. Hmf.
(Sorry about the confusion.)
Sorry, this question may have gotten lost in the smoke and fire caused by the grievous trollocity occurring here, but I do generally speaking, do Republicans still think Bush and friends were all on the up & up about getting us into war?
Let’s try Red State and see.
“Good for you by Darin H
but I was responding specifically to this:
Really? Saying that there was a connection between Al-Qaeda and Iraq/Saddam -multiple times by multiple cabinet members- that was patently false…were made in good faith?
(emphasis mine of course)
As far as I know, Hillary Clinton was not a Bush Cabinet member, hence the refutation of his (her?) argument.”
Oh, it’s Hillary’s fault. I remember her all over TV talking about mushroom clouds and such.
Gary, “the fact is” doesn’t happen to mean “here’s some notions I can pull out of my ass”.
Senior Bush adviser to Ron Suskind, Summer 2002
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/17/magazine/17BUSH.html
I’d like to add just put on trial, and just put in prison for war crimes, to just study “what we do”.
Justice. It’s what’s for dinner.
And people are shocked that a culture in which national print, TV and radio ads have told blatant lies over and over forever would create an atmosphere in which lying about war is tolerated.
I believe this is true. Also that modern troops have decent body armour. (Not as good as it could be, but streets ahead of WW2, Korea and the Vietnam era.)
It’s also the case that modern military science has indirectly saved friendly lives, while dishing more death out to enemies and civilians alike. Watching, say, footage of UAV pilots kill enemies from a continent away, you realize that those are men who are safely away from the line of fire. They would have been in harm’s way in an earlier war. If modern intelligence systems can facilitate greater concentrations of men where they are needed, they will win firefights and battles with fewer casualties.
Any death prevented by modern science is great. However, I am always cautious of playing games with bodycounts. To do that is to create dangerously distorted moral terrain. While acknowledging that 300,000 deaths is worse than 3,000, I feel the correct response is to treat both as an equal tragedy. This is not doublethink, but an attempt to avoid the dangerous thinking that numbers tempt people into.
I had this in another online conversation recently with someone who was trying to persuade me that if you could have prevented the rise of the Nazis and their crime rampage just by torturing one person, then the torture would have been worthwhile. I countered with the obvious question of: what if it took two tortured? What if it was five? Or ten? Or ten thousand? A million? Ten million? At what point does it cross the line? When does it stop being worth it?
The same goes for a war like Iraq. At what point is the casualty count too high? If the cost of Vietnam was too high at 58,000 American dead, would it have still been too high at 18,000? Or 8,000? Is Iraq really worth 3,000 Americans? Or 300? Or 3? (And yes, I am purposely ignoring all the enemy and civilian deaths in this sick little comparison. Sympathy for non-Americans rarely creeps into warhawks’ equations.)
The question always to ask is how many of your friends and family would you be willing to sacrifice for the cause? And the kicker is: would you be willing to sacrifice YOUR life for this war?
Sadly, we already know the answer to that last question from so many many conservatives of military age. They say: “No”. And who can blame them?
I need better pro-war arguments. Specifically, I need good pro-war arguments that do not involve the invocation of a skin color or religious persuasion. If I can get those, I am very eager to listen and consider.
It is my New Years’ Resolution to be reasonable and open to dialogue.
There’s something to be said for loyalty, and the perfect storm of ignorance, intellectual inconsistency, and authoritarianism.
… but that something, my friend, is guaranteed to be NSFW.
We’re going to be cleaning up the damage caused by Commander Codpiece’s Big Iraqi Adventure for the next half a century, if we’re lucky, between the shattered veterans and the giant pile of IOUs we’ve handed to our good buddies in China and Saudi Arabia and the way we’ve managed to flush half a century of international goodwill towards America down a depleted-uranium crapper. And the Base Twenty-Eight-Percenters are indignant that we’re not sufficiently grateful to the tiny band of Reichtard morons and sociopaths that put us all in hock for the rest of our natural lives and then some. May Coyote have as much mercy upon their tiny, shrunken, discolored souls as they deserve, ’cause I sure the fvck ain’t feeling any fellowship.
30,000 injured is a whole lot of fucking injured people, many of them quite severely.
Also if we need to fight in a real war, as opposed to a bullshit manufactured one we’re totally fucked. Nothing says security like having your armed forces overseas dicking around for no good reason.
Does anyone else on here ever wonder what really went down with Bush Jr. the day they claimed he choked on a pretzel?
My guess? “Battleship Babs” backhanded him for being a whiny-a**ed prig and forgot to take off the rings.
“Have another pretzel, Mr. President.”
Then, booger, you are, in fact a turd, and might want to alter your ID to reflect this. I’m not your friend. Jerkoff.
…but you guys in your typical liberal fashion are taking what I said out of context. Of course it is a tragedy when any American soldier is killed, I am deeply sorry for those who have lost their lives in defense of freedom they are brave and deserve our honor. I wish no American troops were killed. What I meant was that as far as warfare goes 3000 deaths is not alot COMPARED TO PAST WARS! But I somehow think you liberals knew what I meant and just decided to take it out of context just like you did with Rush Limbaugh about his so called “phony soldiers” comment.
You’re getting all whiny and adle-pated, BB, which means it’s obviously way past your bedtime.
What I meant was that as far as warfare goes 3000 deaths is not alot COMPARED TO PAST WARS!
Sadly,No !
The death toll in the “Aroostook War” of the 1840s — a border dispute between the British and U.S. along the Maine-Canada border — was zero. As in no dead. So, in comparison to that past war, 4,000 dead men and women is quite a lot really.
I guess this is what eighteen-year-old Heritage Foundation staffers do.
You know, when they’re not being put in charge of reconstructing the Iraqi stock market and things like that.
One of the sad and unintended consequences due to the development of self-adhesive postage stamps.
Nobody keeps track of the wars that were prevented and cost no lives, and therefore, are not counted in the books as “wars.”
Sort of like all the people walking down the street who don’t suddenly randomly murder the person walking by them.
It is not coincidental that only wingnuts keep track of the death counts in various wars as if it was fantasy football.
Did the Super Bowl happen yet?
So I hear the wingnut argument to be, “George was just as ignorant as everyone else so singling him out is unfair!”
My problem with that?
First, Dubya’s closest attempt at admitting a mistake? “hehe, Nope not under there, hehe” So the idea that he deserves the “benefit of the doubt” is strained.
Second, there is the fact that when WMDs did not turn up in Iraq the whole right of “Pre-emptive” attacks just dropped as a talking point. No review. No explanation from George. Nothing. Just “oops, not gonna talk about that anymore.” George kept the doctrine tho…
Finally, George Bush made the claim that HE KNEW Saddam possessed WMDs and that was a flat out fucking lie.
Three thousand dead is nothing?
Listen very carefully, you teenage spoiled brat. When you open the door and there are two men in uniform there telling your mother and your brother (6) and sister (3) and baby sister that you don’t have a father anymore, that he’s dead because he believed in and fought for his country, when you see your mother collapse in front of you and your brother stop talking to people—
Nothing?
Our dead is nothing?
My dead father was nothing?
You crossed the line buddy.
You think liberals are cowards? Can’t fight back?
You’ll learn.
One more thing–my father died in Vietnam, not Iraq, but every war is the same, old men sending young men to die, and young fools cheering the death on. Just as long as it isn’t them.
Poor, poor Bastion. You can tell he’s shaking with frustrated rage that HE can’t do his part to rid the world of the Islamo menace!
If only there was some kind of organized national military group that would equip and pay for him to go to Iraq and kick some ass! Why, if there was some group like that, you can bet dollars to donuts that BB would join up like a shot!
Because if he didn’t, well, he might look like kind of a pussified, bullshitting, fake macho man.
http://www.goarmy.com
That Jane Fonda effigy is awesome. They STILL can’t get over the fact that the hottest (excuse me) chick of their era just wouldn’t give them the time of day.
35 year old blue-balls, that’s all it is.
I love the way conservatives get so worked up over crap from the ’60s — Fonda, Chappaquiddick, whatever. It was forty years ago, dudes, let it go. It’s like getting yourself into a snit over something Chester A. Arthur did.
And sadly, it seems to be even more prevalent in the younger ones who weren’t even alive then. I guess there aren’t any scary libruls around these days to throw feces at, so they have to go with the time-honored traditions.
thunder–floor wax and desert topping….ROFL
I’m just LMAO over the fact that a certain bloggah actually used the phrase “the black hand of Soros” in a post about funding for Obama. HAHA!
What does it say about George Soros and teh librul fascists that the Commander Guy had to tell relative non-truths in order to convince them that we must defeat the Islamonazis? I wish true American Patriots in the Heartland, who Love God and USA didn’t have to live with liebrul liars and leftists who hate —
*head explodes*
had this in another online conversation recently with someone who was trying to persuade me that if you could have prevented the rise of the Nazis and their crime rampage just by torturing one person, then the torture would have been worthwhile. I countered with the obvious question of: what if it took two tortured? What if it was five? Or ten? Or ten thousand? A million? Ten million? At what point does it cross the line? When does it stop being worth it?
This can be extended to the infamous “ticking time bomb” scenario, wherein its OK to torture the terrorist when there’s a ticking time bomb set to go off in Midtown Manhattan at precisely the moment when the curtain goes up on “Wicked” – oops, sorry, got carried away, I meant “in one hour.”
If it’s OK to torture him to get the number of the locked in Grand Central Station where the bomb is stored – then isn’t it OK to torture the cab driver who drove him there? And by extension, then it’s OK to torture the sister of the student who sat next to the cabbie in the lecture at Columbia that was insufficiently anti-Muslim?
That seems to be the logically outcome of such thinking.
It’s like getting yourself into a snit over something Chester A. Arthur did.
“n 1884, the International Meridian Conference was held in Washington at President Arthur’s behest. This established the Greenwich Meridian which is still in use today.”
Bastard.
g – It’s a pretty easy chain.
If torture is permitted by the argument that it might save large numbers of lives
–> then it is permitted by the argument that it might save one life.
If torture is permitted by the argument that it might save one life
–> then it is permitted by the argument that it might avert a serious attack on one person.
If torture is permitted by the argument that it might avert a serious attack on one person
–> then it is permitted by the argument that it might avert a serious crime of any type.
If torture is permitted by the argument that it might avert a serious crime of any type
–> then it is required in any situation which might lead to a serious crime being permitted, much less in a situation in which one or more lives are threatened.
It’s pretty clear that if torture is permitted in situations in which people feel it might avert a massive attack, it is required for nearly all serious crimes.
“Oh, what? You think it’s okay to torture the guy who knows where a bomb is planted so you’ll save 50 people, but you think it’s okay to just let some relative stay in hiding by not torturing his relatives and friends to stop him from raping his ex-wife again?”
Susan of Texas: These aren’t real right wingers. They are people who are convinced their schtick is not just occasionally but perpetually amusing. Don’t get too upset by their points as if seriously made, but rather as comedy that occasionally falls flat, given that they are repeating the absolutely and truly offensive points of the actual right wing — who really do continually argue that the losses experienced in Iraq (U.S. and Iraqi) are indeed minor and well worth it.
if you could have prevented the rise of the Nazis and their crime rampage just by torturing one person
I recommend torture for any proto-Nazi offering such arguments. THEY’RE OBVIOUSLY THE ONE PERSON.
I sincerely apologize for my offensiveness in trivializing the thousands of good people who have died in Iraq— brave American soldiers, brave soldiers of other countries, innocent Iraqi civilians.
To show my true remorse for my part in cheerleading the Iraq War, I have just gone down to the local recruitment office to sign up for a tour of duty.
Sorry, but you won’t be getting any more comments from me until I come back.
The One Percent Law: If it a statement has a one percent chance of being true, it’s totally not a lie.
Corollary: If the statement has a 0.01 percent chance of being true, it’s still not really a lie. It’s more of a slight equivocation.
War funding, which averaged about $93 billion a year from 2003 through 2005, rose to $120 billion in 2006 and $171 billion in 2007 and President George W. Bush has asked for $193 billion in 2008, the nonpartisan office wrote.
Let The Barstool Economist be the first to propose that the nation finance these costs through a special “red state tax”.
No, I guess that wouldn’t be fair.
How about a special “Registered GOP Voters Tax”?
You voted for war in oh-four? You get to pay for it, baby— for the rest of your life!
Combined with my “Rightwing Thinktank Tax”, “Media War Cheerleaders Tax” and “Corporate War Profiteers Tax”, we’ll have this war debt paid off in no time— maybe five or six generations!
” It’s like getting yourself into a snit over something Chester A. Arthur did.”
Those who forget Chester A. Arthur are doomed to repeat him.
El Cid, you’re quite right; it’s like getting angry with Ann Coulter, a useless exercise. Although in this case, it seems to have inspired a young man to serve his country, a very good thing. Godspeed, little troll, and remember that the thanks of a grateful nation go with you. The next time we’ll see you we’ll expect to hear all about your unit, which we will immediately google to see if you’re lying.
How has it come to this? Do we have to do this every day? Why must we beg for a new thread, why???
No, Susan, that’s not what I meant. I mean that he / they weren’t actually right wing at all. He / they were attempting to satirize those trolls. Endlessly. All the time. The problem is not a troll problem but a ‘satire gone wrong’ problem.
Ahh.
I think people tend to say what they want to say, but could easily be wrong. Either way, the boy needed a good talking-to, for even unintentional cruelty.
a ’satire gone wrong’ problem.
thus summarizing the entire last 7 years, and Ralph Nader, in one go.
I don’t know about the rest of you, but I find the usage of the comic sans font in the “Lib-rûlz = tratt0rz” sign to be both intimidating and effective at getting the point across. Oh woe! Woe unto me for thinking that Jane Fonda was no longer relevant. I will now do 40 Hail Barbaras in front of my velvet Jeebush as penance.
W put teh Mac in Machiavellianism.
Yeah, I can’t stand idiots who insist on using comic sans for everything. One of my friends went to a funeral, where the directions from going to the church to the graveyard was written in comic sans. Swear. To. Fucking. God.
http://bancomicsans.com/home.html
Rightwingsnarkle said,
Those who forget Chester A. Arthur are doomed to repeat him.
Made me spew coffee and pretzel crumbs all over myself.
I am so stealing this. Rightwingsnarkle, I think I love you.
Did I forget to mention my special Troll Tax?
Bush’s Alternate Reality Boys are at it again, with their new “Arthur Anderson-Enron-Subprime” budget…
Let’s move that red ink off our books, and onto the next Dem president’s ledger!
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/8080.html
Bush budget won’t fully fund Iraq war
By: David Rogers
Jan 23, 2008 08:03 PM EST
The White House confirmed Wednesday that its new budget next month will not request a full year’s funding for the war in Iraq, leaving the next president and Congress to confront major cost questions soon after taking office in 2009…
“A budget is a reflection of military strategy, and we don’t want to prejudge the recommendations of commanders,” a White House budget official said in explaining the decision….
I’m in ur armeez, blamin’ ur commandoez
“barely five hours after American Airlines Flight 77 plowed into the Pentagon, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld was telling his aides to come up with plans for striking Iraq — even though there was no evidence linking Saddam Hussein to the attacks.”
The notes quote Rumsfeld as saying he wanted “best info fast. Judge whether good enough hit S.H.” – meaning Saddam Hussein – “at same time. Not only UBL” – the initials used to identify Osama bin Laden . . . “Go massive,” the notes quote him as saying. “Sweep it all up. Things related and not.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/04/september11/main520830.shtml
Blue Buddha said,
Re: ban comic sans. Ha! awesome. If the sign-maker decided to use a heavy or ass-kicking attention getting font like Exocet, then I’d think of fuzzy pink bunnies and laff off the sign like the “Get a Brain, Morans” sign from a few years back. But the Comic Sans gave me the willies.
Does anyone else on here ever wonder what really went down with Bush Jr. the day they claimed he choked on a pretzel?
My understanding is that he was watching a college football game with Condi at Camp David. She had a beer. He had one (or several) and fell on his face getting another or going to the loo. I think that weekend in 2001 is when Bush briefly fell off the wagon. And who can blame him. I had never seen a country so scared and depressed at the same time.
El Cid, you’re quite right; it’s like getting angry with Ann Coulter
Who?
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Bush briefly fell off the wagon.
And you know this because…?
Ah, the free market, free of burdensome government regulation, even in over-regulated France, where one man is reported to have defrauded the country’s largest bank of $7 BILLION.
I wanna live on Grand Moff Texan’s planet.
Wow. Right there, you’ve summed up the entire mourning process: denial, anger, bargaining, depression, & acceptance.
honestly I’m kind of disappointed with this report. I don’t see any of the lies where Bush and Cheney said “we will be greeted as liberators”, “the oil will pay for itself”, “it will only last a few months”, etc
IMO all the WMD lies could be justified under bad intelligence. But this “it’ll be a piece of cake!” bullshit was unforgivable mendacity. I don’t know why these LIEBERAL groups fail to put some focus on that.
C’mon folks, if y’all knew what Bastion looked like, you’d know why he can’t join the Army and decimate the Islamoliberafascinistas with his own hands, and instead has to fight the good fight here, deep in the Sadly, No! comment trenches, boring us all to tears with his insipid, uninspired bullshit. I give you, Bastion Booger:
http://www.tractorbeam.dk/bb2.htm
That said, Bastion has been known to give Doink the Clown his patented finisher, the Grundle Driver…
Cokane,
I think you’ll find that neither Bush nor Cheney said any of those things: it was Rummy and Wolfie and all the other “ies” in the administration.
In point of fact, Bush warned it would be a long war as it was part of the war on terror and counseled patience.
The Booger Eater sez (among other, even more insane things) : “The truth is, George Soros is a liar and a scumbag. President Bush did not lie about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction. He ordered the invasion of Iraq with good intentions but with faulty intelligence. However regardless of whether Iraq ever posed a threat to American National Security is now irrelevent.” then he/she/it goes on to say essentially that 3000+ American dead and countless more Iraqi deaths are no big deal.
*******
Nothing funny can be made out of statements like this. Not by me anyway.
I have neither the time nor the talent of the regular commenters here to snark with any competence on something so egregious. Presuming that it is not parody and there are people in America who actually believe this crap to this depth simply defies any attempt to comment. Mere words are simply not enough dealing with such profound evil.
An old saying goes: “the definition of a conservative is a liberal who has just been mugged” I would like to submit the following to reflect current events:
“The definition of a liberal is a conservative who has lost a loved one in Iraq/Afghanistan”
The other side just can’t know what they are saying. They just can’t.
Sorry for this intrusion.
Got this from Pedestrian’s link @ Pandagon
Win!
C’mon folks, if y’all knew what Bastion looked like, you’d know why he can’t join the Army
He don’t look like he should be a Sheriff’s Deputy either. Pass a physical much?
OneMadClown’s link confirms what I’ve suspected all along. Booger is just another insufferable Boston sports fan. Loathsome I know but look into your lieberal hearts, if you can see through the buildup of brie, and try to find some compassion. It’s chafing season! If we chip in on some Gold Bond Medicated Powder for him maybe he’ll go away.
HEY! If Dwight Schrute can be a volunteer deputy sheriff, Booger can pass the physical.
What’s next. A study to confirm that earth orbits the sun?
“Just remember – Soros spelled backwards is ’soros’. Think about it.”
You know who else has a palindromic name? Satan. The fact that “Satan” is not palindromic is both indicative of his power and is indeed central to my point.
I always thought that all GOP governance, both foreign and domestic, could be summed up with “You fucked up. You trusted us.”
This is as good a time as any to bring up my favorite Bushflash:
http://www.bushflash.com/idiot.html
The fact is, that I’ve got BDS, which I think all reasonable people can agree is indeed central to my point which has been made with such tender care and probing thoroughness.
It’s because of the over-regulated market that he was able to defraud the bank of that much money. If France were only a free market, that would’ve never happened because the Magical Invisible Hand of the Market™ would’ve stopped him right away… or something like that. Indeed, this is central to my point.
Just FYI, it’s considered kosher to say “grok” anymore unless you’re a morbidly obese middle aged panelist on a scifi convention panel entitled “Transhumanism, the Singularity and You”
If France were only a free market, that would’ve never happened because the Magical Invisible Hand of the Market™ would’ve stopped him right away… or something like that. Indeed, this is central to my point.
I believe that it also underlines the urgent need for more tax cuts.
…and also the need to make permanent Bush’s tax cuts, which were set to expire in 2010. Crazy liburals and their “logic” will tell you that this won’t do much to help a problem that’s occurring now, but the fact is, Bush’s tax cuts were so powerful, that they’re able to transcend the time-space continuum and fix the present situation.
I always thought that all GOP governance, both foreign and domestic, could be summed up with “You fucked up. You trusted us.”
Senator Blutarski was a Republican???????
Bastion suggests that Iraq might not have been the best strategy, but then says:
That’s a mighty big ‘we’ there! Why don’t YOU give it a shot, Bastion! Go enlist, and kill Al Qaeda! It’s your calling!
Oh? What’s this you say? A trick knee? An ingrowing *what* on your backside?
Oh, how sad for you that you have missed this opportunity to serve…
“That’s a mighty big ‘we’ there! Why don’t YOU give it a shot, Bastion! Go enlist, and kill Al Qaeda! It’s your calling!
Oh? What’s this you say? A trick knee? An ingrowing *what* on your backside?
Oh, how sad for you that you have missed this opportunity to serve…”
It just goes to show that Operation Yellow Elephant remains of vital importance to the war effort.
Bush channels Yogi Berra (again) – “I really didn’t say everything I said.”
Oh, one more thing: If I had the time Citadel Smegma or whatever it is, I’d track you down and tell your prinicipal about how you’re spedning your study hall time.
OMG You have to look at this shit!!!1!
Via Tom Tomorrow.
Oh man,Neiwart just rips Jonah to pieces in his latest. Heh.
“Oh man,Neiwart (sp) just rips Jonah to pieces in his latest. Heh.”
Yeah, teh Load now has has least seven new assholes as a result.
But for real funny (not funny ‘ha ha,’ but funny ‘peculiar’), here’s a long sentence by teh Cockslapper:
Yeah, Cockslapper’s big on serious political discussion.
…your local prosecutor would be laughed out of the courtroom if he attempted to prosecute a case based on such flimsy “evidence”.
Unless your local prosecutor were prosecuting Jose Padilla.
El Cid said: Ah, the free market, free of burdensome government regulation, even in over-regulated France, where one man is reported to have defrauded the country’s largest bank of $7 BILLION.
Never would have happened if the French had hocked their assets to the Chinese, like prudent Americans!
935 lies later.. & Bush is still telling the same ones!
Only the most powerfully artifical denials can keep them going..but, with bipartisan politeness, Bush is treated and feted until he is unaware of the contempt he is instilling in sensible people.
so.. here is the ironic joke: Is Wal-Mart selling Hitler Smiley Faces?
rhethorical.. sadly,
I was thinking a few weeks ago that the collective term for a large number of deliberate false statements would be “A bodyguard of lies”.
Dude, the right is evil but the left is even worse. You won’t even notice, because this is buried beneath 250 posts. The left talks energy independence, but there can be no real energy independence, except reversion to stone age lifestyles. This is transparently true, but all you lefties refuse to acknowledge, because your mommies and daddies paid your way through adulthood, and now what? You’re morally justified for life, just hit that button with your paw, over and over and over, without thinking, and you’re AOK no problem. What shit. You fucktards.
“Dude, the right is evil but the left is even worse. You won’t even notice, because this is buried beneath 250 posts. ”
Wrong twice, in two sentences! Interesting record. Let’s continue.
“The left talks energy independence, but there can be no real energy independence, except reversion to stone age lifestyles.”
I see! We can’t develop solar, geothermal, wind or water power, because those things don’t work, even though they already do.
Pray continue.
“This is transparently true, but all you lefties refuse to acknowledge, because your mommies and daddies paid your way through adulthood, and now what?”
What, they paid for me through adulthood? That’s funny – I could swear I spent years working minimum wage jobs to pay for school.
“You’re morally justified for life, just hit that button with your paw, over and over and over, without thinking, and you’re AOK no problem. What shit. You fucktards.”
You, on the other hand, sound like you have no need to justify yourself, and you certainly have no axe to grind.
So, since you’ve been wrong at a rate of at least once per sentence so far, let me recommend taking up a blog in Opposite Land. Or becoming David Brooks’ editor.