Contrary to all expectations, the Republican race is exciting.

Certainly. Watching the fRightwingers meltdown over which candidate they hate the mostest has been a non-stop thrill ride.

The bitter internecine crack-up that every political columnist has predicted has occurred all right — not in conservatism where they’ve been looking for it but in the Democratic party which was supposed to be coasting to triumph.

If they project any harder they’ll become a WMD.

What about the latest Doughbob news:

Apparently, he is headed for the Daily Show to get spanked by Jon Stewart.

And Michael “More Wars, Please” Ledeen reviewed the book, and while polite, if you actually read his review he undermines 80% of Goldberg’s argument.

They have been ensconced in the Echo Chamber for so long that they have no idea how insane they look to honest decent Americans, the kind that love their country more than an ideology.

In the Land of the Wingnut, the No-Brained Man is king.

(And I can’t figure out which GOP candidate that best refers to.)

The bitter internecine crack-up that every political columnist has predicted has occurred all right — not in conservatism…

I must have dreamed that whole thing where every single conservative writer in the universe expressed their undying revulsion towards Mike Huckabee.

Is Rich Lowry saying “We’re winning!”? I hope so.

Is Rich Lowry saying “We’re winning!”? I hope so.

ELECTION ACCOMPLISHED! AMERICA LOVES OUR CRAPPY CANDIDATES!

Jake H. said,

January 17, 2008 at 1:31

I must have dreamed that whole thing where every single conservative writer in the universe expressed their undying revulsion towards Mike Huckabee.

Yep. Apparently, O’Sullivan can’t even read the same fucking magazine he writes for.

Lies, all filthy lies Jake H! They have never been anything but 100% happy with their choices. If they could, they would vote for all of them because they can’t decide who they like the bestest.

I really worry about the abundance of sociopathic behavior in the Right.
Projection, Red Herrings, Straw Men, Outright Lying, etc. all seem to be features of the average wingnut, not flaws.

And Michael “More Wars, Please” Ledeen reviewed the book, and while polite, if you actually read his review he undermines 80% of Goldberg’s argument.

Indeed. To wit:

The great masterpiece that drew the blood lines from Robespierre to modern mass movements and regimes, is Jacob Talmon’s “The Origins of Totalitarian Democracy,” now nearly half a century old. There’s no evidence that Jonah has read it.

*choke* oh, that’s wonderful. I wonder if Jonah’ll be mad enough to bring up the whole Iran-Contra thing.

Remember the Rule: It’s ALWAYS good for Republicans!!

“All have shone for their moment in the sun.”

Craptastic

Holy crap. I mean, I saw the “Huge DEMOCRATS LOSE” banner up there from the last Notional Patoot link, and thought, well, that’s completely retarded. Democrats lose to, what, other Democrats? Moon people? I didn’t realise there was a whole article explaining this fuckwitted premise.

I can’t believe that I am blockquoting Ledeen favorably:

and here’s where Jonah’s eccentric thesis, for all its provocative value, leaves history behind and strides into…vision, I suppose. Just a few lines later, he claims that “Woodrow Wilson was the twentieth century’s first fascist dictator,” and that’s just silly.

When the neo-cons start to eat their own, who do we make fun of?

When the neo-cons start to eat their own, who do we make fun of?

The pupli kids. I just hate them SO MUCH!

Good, Leeden started on page 80. The Jobergnaut complained that no one had critisized the book before page 120.

Bet: JLoad ignores everything but the last paragraph.

It was only a matter of time before a winger “thinker” went so low that the rest of the winger “thinkers” just simply couldn’t go there for fear for their “reputations” once the welfare runs out.

Pantload has given us that moment.

Sen. John McCain confronted Rep. Ron Paul over his support for a pullout from Iraq. “That kind of isolationism is what got us involved in World War II,” McCain told the Texas lawmaker.

Yes, if we were only less isolationist, we could have avoided WW2 by joining WW2 earlier.

BTW, please don’t call Doughboy JLoad. It’s a little too close to my name. Hell, in Japan it is my name! *sob*

We had joy, we had fun, we had moments in the sun…

Contrary to all expectations, the Republican race is exciting.

Watching the unstoppable rise of the great Fred Thompson is certainly the most exciting thing I’ve experienced since a great big glob of cold mayonnaise slipped off my butter knife and plopped all over my bare toes.

I suspect the voters are beginning to like them.

I suspect the voters are laughing till beer squirts out their noses.

“the Democratic party which was supposed to be coasting to triumph.”

Only the Democrats could be so incompetent as to lose the General Election before it is even held! This is central to my point…

JLåød?

Note: My Swedish is very rusty, but I suspect attempts to pronounce that will cause massive tounge rüpture.

“I suspect the voters are beginning to like them.”

Really? I bet they’ll absolutely LOVE them after the McCain POW/informer flier hits the TV, or they get their eleventysixth Huckabeeeeee robocall.

Heard on the radio this a. m. (or was it yesterday, life is a blur) that the L. A. Times/CNN Poll of Republicans had “Somebody Else” leading all the current Republican candidates. Some real winners there.

And I’m sure the everage American will love Huckabuck wanting to rewrite the constitution so it “conforms w/ the laws of the living god,” or whatever the fuck he said.

This just in also: Kevin McCullough is an American hating child rapist.

Thought those were interesting (re: stupid) articles that SN! could comment on in their next 2-minute Townhall.

The Bland Vapids Press interviewed a pack o’ Romneyvoterbots (“man in the street” shit), and jeez, they really ARE lobotomized. All variations on, “If he did it for himself, I hope he does it for the NATIONAL economy.”

Does WHAT, fuckwits? He headed a capital management firm, whose favored style of “economics” was to: (1) target a vulnerable company, (2) acquire company, (3) fire thousands, and either: (4a) sell the “leaner” company at a profit, or: (4b) sell their stock on the (inevitable) uptick. (Wall Street LUUUURRVES them layoffs!)

Now, just what part of “fired thousands of workers” didn’t these braindead Romneybots understand?

At long last, Goldberg has found a review he deems “Serious.” He credits Ledeen’s success in earning this coveted title in part to his great familiarity with the subject. Shortly thereafter, he determines Ledeen’s assesment of Liberal Fascism is undermined by his great familiarity with the subject. In the pseudo-intellectual tilts he holds in his mind, Goldberg wins every time.

Heard on the radio this a. m. (or was it yesterday, life is a blur) that the L. A. Times/CNN Poll of Republicans had “Somebody Else” leading all the current Republican candidates.

That’s only because every conceivable Republican candidate is so great and shining and tough and fair and good-looking that the voters can’t help but be tempted by the prospect of YET ANOTHER paragon of super-popular awesome world-fixing greatness joining this awesome pantheon.

“Watching the unstoppable rise of the great Fred Thompson is certainly the most exciting thing I’ve experienced since a great big glob of cold mayonnaise slipped off my butter knife and plopped all over my bare toes.”

Thread winner !

At long last, Goldberg has found a review he deems “Serious.” He credits Ledeen’s success in earning this coveted title in part to his great familiarity with the subject. Shortly thereafter, he determines Ledeen’s assesment of Liberal Fascism is undermined by his great familiarity with the subject. In the pseudo-intellectual tilts he holds in his mind, Goldberg wins every time.

Shorter Jonah: Don’t listen to anyone who knows anything about this subject. Also, don’t listen to anyone who criticizes me, because they don’t know anything about this subject.

“It’s too serious a review, based on too much of knowledge of the subject, for me to respond now (hint, my first impression is that I think Michael’s too close to the subject). This is something I’ll have to reread and noodle for a while.”

Jonah’s gonna get back to us or; maybe we’ll forget….

J— said,

January 17, 2008 at 2:42

At long last, Goldberg has found a review he deems “Serious.” He credits Ledeen’s success in earning this coveted title in part to his great familiarity with the subject. Shortly thereafter, he determines Ledeen’s assesment of Liberal Fascism is undermined by his great familiarity with the subject. In the pseudo-intellectual tilts he holds in his mind, Goldberg wins every time.

You forgot to mention that it’s central to his point.

Translating Jonah:

“Too close to the subject” = “has a fucking clue about the subject.”

So, Jload gets his first “serious” review and its from his friend Michael Leeden; he skims Leeden’s not terribly favorable review and disgorges the following:

“Anyway, he’s got some very strong disagreements with my argument(s). I’ve only read the review super quick and I can already spot all sorts of yeasty topics for disagreement and discussion. It’s too serious a review, based on too much of knowledge of the subject, for me to respond now (hint, my first impression is that I think Michael’s too close to the subject). This is something I’ll have to reread and noodle for a while….”

The thought of Doughbob noodliing anything is just plain creepy.

It’s too serious a review, based on too much of knowledge of the subject, for me to respond now (hint, my first impression is that I think Michael’s too close to the subject).

Because HE IS TEH FASCIST TOO! It’ll be a bonus chapter for the paperback edition!

Jonah’s gonna get back to us or; maybe we’ll forget….

Oh, he’ll get back, as soon as someone tells him what to write. This one might be a little tricky though, as the response can’t just be a “I Know You Are, But What Am I?” like he did with Yglesias earlier today. It has to be something shows deference to the wise Ledeen yet reiterates the bold cutting-edgeness of Goldberg’s brave new thesis.

You forgot to mention that it’s central to his point.

As a liberal fascist, I am filled with shame.

Um, what is a “yeasty topic”? Wait. Don’t answer that.

Re: Romneybots

Romney is an empty suit. He was a management consultant. Have you ever spent any time around these people??? Paying these people is such a colossal waste of money. They are spinmeisters spewing corporate jargon BS.

He was just on NPR and got asked about the spending promises he made in Michigan to win. What a disgrace. Cut non-discretionary non-defense spending. Which programs? Oh I don’t know…

Except he has a Harvard MBA! Voila. Instant business cred. He is smarter than the Commander in Chimp, but c’mon people….

Re: noodling

With which hand?

Romney is an empty suit. He was a management consultant. Have you ever spent any time around these people??? Paying these people is such a colossal waste of money. They are spinmeisters spewing corporate jargon BS.

So what are you saying, Romney won’t be an out-of-the-box President that will shift the paradigm and turn problems into opportunities by maximizing synergy in a culture of accountability and empowerment?

You’re right J, he’s really gonna have to thread the needle here. I can’t begin to tell you the things I didn’t respond to today that of course, I’ll respond to tomorrow after some noodling. Indeed, central to my point.

Jake – were you at the BCG corporate retreat in Nantucket last summer? I thought that was you!

I think if Romney can indice the matrices with a flair for the unconventional, we’ll all benefit from his capturing the essence of timeless concepts.

I see that, in the lede to this unattributed piece, citing candidates Thompson, 9ui11iani, Hunter, and Tancredo, no mention was made of Mad Sam Brownback!!11!

How quickly you forget.

Jonah, then: Why won’t anyone review my book seriously?

Jonah, now: I find this review entirely too serious.

Psssstt…..you didn’t hear this from me…..

I’m sorry.

Did you say something?

I was noodling.

mikey

Mussolini: a key player in the history of noodling.

Mussolini did not ban pasta. Rather, he initiated the growing of durum wheat in central and northern Italy in an effort to make the country self-sufficient. Factories in the north began making pasta in the 1930s, and electric drying tunnels replaced sea and volcanic breezes. Naples became steadily less important in the manufacture of pasta, and today the province of Campania is only the sixth-largest producer of pasta in the country.

Then: Friedrich Hayek, Paul Johnson, Richard Pipes, Milton Friedman, Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn, John Lukacs, Joshua Muravchik, A. James Gregor, Michael Ledeen, Ayn Rand, and — as I show in my book — countless contemporary observers of classical fascism agree with my view in whole or in part.

Now: Anyway, [Ledeen’s] got some very strong disagreements with my argument(s) … It’s too serious a review, based on too much of knowledge of the subject, for me to respond now (hint, my first impression is that I think Michael’s too close to the subject).

Re tigrismus ledeen post:

Read Jonah’s comment as: “I can’t respond now because I haven’t had a chance to call him to say ‘What the fuck, dude?'”

Oh MAN! Goldberg on the Daily Show? Can. Not. Wait.

JoGo on Ledeen: “too close to the subject”

Ledeen on Jogo: “Jonah Goldberg, my buddy and boss at NRO…”

I don’t imagine Ledeen gets most, or even much, of his wingnut welfare via NRO, but given his underwhelming review of Boss Jonah’s Meisterwerk, he might could find himself looking for a different screed depository. What’s the rule? You don’t shit where you eat.

But tigrismus, none of those other people made the argument as carefully and thoughtfully as him…except Ledeen, who as it turns out is TOO careful and thoughtful.

It seems like Jonah’s view of, well, EVERYTHING is heading towards a vanishing point. All 6 billion people on earth are wrong and fascist…except Jonah Goldberg.

“(Lex) Skink Tyree (Azagthoth) said,

January 17, 2008 at 3:15

Psssstt…..you didn’t hear this from me…..”

Hey everybody, go back to Lex’s post and click on the link for something almost as satisfying as reading a Doughbob or CY smackdown. The best part is Pammy’s readers can’t figure out how to actually send her money…

Psssstt…..you didn’t hear this from me…..

I’m afraid that I’l now have to teleport over to Engerland and kill Roger Daltrey, because he needs to be spinning in his grave after one of the deluded fans compared Pamela Harpy to him (“we’re The Who and she’s our Roger Daltrey”).

How dare they lay their filthy lyin’ tongues on my generation? It’s heresy, I tells ya, plain heresy.

Just when you think Goldberg can’t get any stupider, he does. How can a reviewer know TOO MUCH about the subject he’s reviewing?

Michael “More Wars, Please” Ledeen reviewed the book, and while polite, if you actually read his review he undermines 80% of Goldberg’s argument.

I suspect that Ledeen is embarrassed that his years spent trawling the fascist archives in Italy for his doctorate — which, admittedly, turned him into a utter nutjob — have been scoffed up, puked out, thrice-boiled and served on a disposible plate by Doughbob. He doesn’t want to be known as the intellectual progenitor of Liberal Fascism, and thus wants to cover his own ass.

Alas, it’s as close as Pantload will get to a Marshall McLuhan moment. Though I can’t wait for his inevitable appearance on Colbert. (If he’s on TDS tonight, a day after Walrus Bolton, it’s a testament to how desperate Stewart is for picket-crossing guests.)

The best part is Pammy’s readers can’t figure out how to actually send her money…

I was just having a good belly laugh over that. It’s like survival of the fittest, thwarted by two centuries of machinery of medicine, is trying to reassert itself in the blogosphere.

Someone who is too priveleged to work writes for people who are too stupid to feed her. I will be savoring that for the rest of the evening.

(hint, my first impression is that I think Michael’s too close to the subject).

Fuck that shit.

Like I’ve said before, Jonah is trying to argue both sides of his mouth. Either a critic just doesn’t address the arguments, or doesn’t have the bona fides, or is ‘too close to the subject’? Who the fuck, then, given your masterly demonstration of critical discrimination, is qualified to review it?

Oh, yeah: his mommy.

Sorry, Doughbob: you don’t get a fucking veto over your fucking reviews.

“How can a reviewer know TOO MUCH about the subject he’s reviewing?”

Indeed, let’s go to the text.

Jonah Say:

It’s too serious a review, based on too much of knowledge of the subject, for me to respond now

So please wait until I call my mom, and she can get one of her friends to write an intelligent response. Failing that, perhaps I can bleg some of my readers to mail in their responses, and I will use the best one to beat my good friend Michael Ledeen about the face and neck.

Unconventional Honored Matres?

Jrod said,

January 17, 2008 at 3:14

Jonah, then: Why won’t anyone review my book seriously?

Jonah, now: I find this review entirely too serious.

Jonah, tomorrow: Why is no one paying serious attention to me anymore? Waaaaahhhhhhhhhhh!

How can a reviewer know TOO MUCH about the subject he’s reviewing?
He becomes unable to see the Big Picture. He lacks the perspective to finish the jigsaw puzzle of history. To write a book like LF requires a different cast of mind, capable of grasping the global synthesis.

Mussolini did not ban pasta. Rather, he initiated the growing of durum wheat in central and northern Italy in an effort to make the country self-sufficient.
Mussolini was a spaghetti-pusher?!

Never mind.

I’m going to an angry party.

grrrrrrr..

mikey

Smut Clyde said,

January 17, 2008 at 4:01

Mussolini did not ban pasta. Rather, he initiated the growing of durum wheat in central and northern Italy in an effort to make the country self-sufficient.

Mussolini was a spaghetti-pusher?!

Not quite. He was promoting the dangerous cult of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, which we all know was designed to mock Christianity, and is therefore politically on the left. Indeed, this is central to my point.

Um, what is a “yeasty topic”?
Here you go.

Wait. Don’t answer that.
Too late.

Who the fuck, then, given your masterly demonstration of critical discrimination, is qualified to review it?

Oh, yeah: his mommy.

What if his mom doesn’t like it, either? Why don’t you think about THAT for a second! OK, who needs a cold shower…

I’m with Smut, I think once we remove the veneer of perceived reality we’ll be forced to consider all options that are on the table and available for further exploration. I think we need to remain open to further examination.

I can’t believe that I am blockquoting Ledeen favorably

Yeah, the end times have really come, haven’t they?

More delicious tidbits:

Wolfe: “Jonah Goldberg is the first historian to detail…”

Ledeen: “Some of his fans have praised Jonah for writing a work of history, but it isn’t, really.”

You know what’s great about this? This is a negative review written by someone who, according to Jonah himself, knows a great deal about fascism–and it’s devastating. Jonah wanted so badly to be taken seriously–he talks somewhere about how he could’ve written a humorous book, but wanted to wait–and how does Ledeen lead off? By calling Jonah’s book “fun.” That’s gotta sting.

And then there’s the bit about how Jonah ignored some of the major works in the field, how one idea is “silly” and another is “half right” and another is “imaginative.” The overall effect is to paint Jonah as a sloppy intellectual lightweight who is profoundly out of his depth–and since it’s by a rightwinger, colleague, and apparent expert, it’s going to be absolutely devastating.

Do you know what the best part is, though? Ledeen must have known this. He must have known exactly how awful this was going to be for Goldberg, and yet he pulled the trigger anyway out of spite or cruelty or even some vestigial commitment to intellectual honesty. This was a careful attack, a deliberate attempt to cut Jonah off at the knees–and in typical fashion, everyone’s going to know it except Jonah himself.

we remove the veneer of perceived reality
Tim’s right. The veneer of perceived reality clashes with the carpet. We should strip perceived reality right back to the wood, and get some of that Anaglypta wallpaper, for the retro look. Maybe a Lincrusta frieze along the top, or would that be too much?

Advanced word on the Daily Show interview from Mr. Big Picture himself:

Well, it started very friendly and nice. It got quite heated (quite a few F-bombs were thrown around, and I ain’t talking about “fascism”) as he kept mischaracterizing the book (by my lights) and complaining about the cover. Nothing too surprising. And we ended cordially. But we went very long (and even longer once the camera went off), so it will be interesting to see how it gets edited. It could end up being a very unkind cut or just a testy one

Sweet thing, Jon Stewart ends all his interviews cordially. I too anxiously await the edit.

My top ‘damning with faint praise’ moment from Ledeen, on Jonah’s ‘Nazi identity politics’: ‘The best that can be said about this is that it’s imaginative.’

Like I said, he so doesn’t want to be associated with it.

Do you know what the best part is, though? Ledeen must have known this. He must have known exactly how awful this was going to be for Goldberg, and yet he pulled the trigger anyway out of spite or cruelty or even some vestigial commitment to intellectual honesty

I presume so. But I don’t think it’s spite. He knows the rules of the game: these books are for dumbasses. They’re not ‘history’, they’re bullshit peddled by fresh-faced arrivals from the minor-leagues, while the vets look on in amusement.

There is one thread running through his review. It’s as follows: ‘In case you were thinking it — and I know you were — I had absolutely nothing to do with this.’ It’s beneath him: he has shit in Iran to stir up.

And you know what? Jonah will say that the only substantive review has come from Ledeen, not from any liberal. Indeed, that is central to his point.

But we went very long (and even longer once the camera went off), so it will be interesting to see how it gets edited.

Translation: If I come out looking like an utter fuckhead, it’s the mean old librul media’s fault!

Hasn’t he already blamed some gaping logical errors on his own editor? Maybe he’ll do another book titled Editorial Fascism in which he proves that the doughwad writers of the world are the Jew of editorial fascism.

The man embodies so much Fail, we need a term to describe how it feels to watch him flailing about for the merest glimpse of clue.

Schadenfäil?

Fäilenfreüd?

Schadenlöad?

There is one thread running through his review. It’s as follows: ‘In case you were thinking it — and I know you were — I had absolutely nothing to do with this.’ It’s beneath him: he has shit in Iran to stir up.

That’s a good point, and I probably came up with “spite” too quickly. I suppose Ledeen could very well have been thinking “Ah, FUCK, the little shit mentioned me as someone who agrees with him. Damned if I’ll be associated with this steaming pile of crap; God only knows how he came up with the notion to write a ‘serious book’ when his skill set is limited to citing the Simpsons and finding stupid Internet games. Jesus Christ, I can’t believe it’s come to this–you’d think that Lucianne would’ve know how to put a diaphragm in properly after fucking every politico on the right side of the aisle. All right, here we go. Poor bastard; he has no idea what he’s doing.”

“Lincrusta frieze”

Isn’t that sort of like a Long Island Iced Tea ? Maybe I’m thinking of a Langostina Frieze.

Schadenlöad?

winner

Friedrich Hayek, Paul Johnson, Richard Pipes, Milton Friedman, Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn, John Lukacs, Joshua Muravchik, A. James Gregor, Michael Ledeen, Ayn Rand, and — as I show in my book — countless contemporary observers of classical fascism agree with my view in whole or in part.

Four of the hotshots that he names and most of the “countless contemporary observers of classical fascism” lie a-mouldering in the grave. How can they ‘agree’ (present tense) with him? Has his book been getting favorable reviews in the Spirit World?

Jebus. Not that I’m fond of Yglesias, but Doughbob’s response to him is beyond stupid.

A couple years ago, Yglesias advised Democratic candidates who support gay marriage but can’t say so because their constituencies don’t support it should “lie convincingly” because what’s important for progressives is that they get power.

That’s why I take it with a few grains of salt when he calls me a loyal foot soldier in the Republican “noise machine.” Not only have I written dozens of columns criticizing president Bush and argued that conservatives should not be seduced by partisan power, but such talking points are actually the sort of thing one hears from real partisans who see noble lies as an essential part of their craft.

In short, his review is a piece of theater used to disguise his own cognitive dissonance.

Oh yeah, Jonah?

Um. Is this the “jonah is a stupid dummy” thread?

I’m gonna come back when I know what you guys are talking about.

Meanwhile, I’ve got a bit of a motherload of Blondie to listen to.

So have fun….

mikey

He’s referring to the countless contemporary observers (whom he can’t be bothered to name).

But that makes Ledeen & Pipes sound non-contemporary.

Fuck it, guy can’t write.

Friedrich Hayek, … Michael Ledeen, Ayn Rand, and … countless contemporary observers of classical fascism agree with my view in whole or in part.
I see. A long list of dead or has-been writers, then moving right along to the contemporary observers, but listing Ledeen back among the dead ones. No wonder Ledeen is peeved.

” But we went very long (and even longer once the camera went off), so it will be interesting to see how it gets edited. ..”

So after he’s shown to be an idiot on the Today Show, he can say “But I pwned him *off camera* !

Arky may have posted his comment while I was still writing mine, but he cheated. I demand a recount. And a blood test.

I demand a recount. And a blood test.

Help! Fascist!

And fascist, suffocating, unwanted hugging Sadly KnowsBest keeps fucking up my links!

countless contemporary observers of classical fascism agree with my view in whole or in part.

Well, they also agree with everything I have ever written, thought, or even vaguely intuited, either “in whole” or “in part”.

(If he’s on TDS tonight, a day after Walrus Bolton, it’s a testament to how desperate Stewart is for picket-crossing guests.)

Could Atlas’Juggs be far behind? Oh dear god in heaven, puhleez give us Pammy on TDS!!

I still chuckle when I think of her confusing the words “jihad” and “Janjaweed”. It is tricky though. I mean, they both start with a “J” and all!

I just read Ledeen’s review of the Jonah book; it’s the best critique yet. I’m sorry it came from him, but it did.

Smut Clyde, re “yeasty topics” and link illustrating the same:

No way. The statute of limitations (34 seconds) clearly bars that response.

Schadenload….oh yeah.

Leaving that link wasn’t very nice I suppose. The comments were just getting funny. And the wall to wall “Obama is an evil Moooooslem” coverage. I guess it ain’t selling. I was going to donate to the actual starving and needy people in the world, but now, who knows?

Damn, after Pantload on BookTV this weekend, there’s been some pretty good coverage. I just never expected an actual gimme $$$ post. Sorry to take it so OT.

mikey, skip the motherload…

all you need is Eat To The Beat

listing Ledeen back among the dead ones. No wonder Ledeen is peeved.

Well, sort of.

“I mean, it may sound like an odd thing to say, but all the great scholars who have studied American character have come to the conclusion that we are a warlike people and that we love war…. “

And yet, JLoad says that an obsession with war and militaristic phraseology is a sign of Librulfascia.

OMG! Ledeen is a Librul!

Is this the “jonah is a stupid dummy” thread?

Every day is children’s day!

Not that I’m fond of Yglesias

Gotta say this for him: it’s a place where people think Serious Things Happen and as a result a thread about Jonah Goldberg can be wildly entertaining to fool around in.

I am unhappy this thread is petering out.

Michael “More Wars, Please” Ledeen reviewed the book, and while polite, if you actually read his review he undermines 80% of Goldberg’s argument.

Michael “Throw Some Shtty Little Country Up Against the Wall” Leeden thinks the Fascists had some excellent ideas about keeping the wogs and the proles in line. NO WAY is Michael Ledeen going to let Lucianne’s Crotchdropping give such a nifty ideology away to the dirty hippies, who wouldn’t know what to do with real fascism if the instructions were printed on the heel of the jackboot…

And now I think Gavin needs to photoshop His Doughness into Dilbert’s Pointy-Haired Boss. Remember the strip where PHB announces that the new company priority is *Quality!!!!* and everyone else wonders whether this fad will pass quickly, or linger like a dead woodchuck under the porch? PHB adds, “I think we need a quality newsletter!” and the rest of the table silently groans, “WOODCHUCK!”

I just read Ledeen’s review of the Jonah book; it’s the best critique yet. I’m sorry it came from him, but it did.

I think this might be one of those “only Nixon could tell Jonah he’s a fucking moron” moments.

It’s ALWAYS good news for Republicans!!!

No, no, no, this just won’t do. If NationalReview.com is “America’s shittiest website” then what, pray tell, does that make FreeRepublic.com? Huh?

ROFL Sophist

Smut Clyde said…

I see. A long list of dead or has-been writers, then moving right along to the contemporary observers, but listing Ledeen back among the dead ones. No wonder Ledeen is peeved.

No, see, he named the folks he knew we’d recognize. The agreeable “countless contemporary observers of classical fascism” live in Canada, but they totally put out so it’s a real shame he can’t introduce us.

BJS, it got better:

He was just on NPR and got asked about the spending promises he made in Michigan to win. What a disgrace. Cut non-discretionary non-defense spending. Which programs? Oh I don’t know…

He eventually answered the question: he’d cut job training, in a shrinking economy with both inflation and unemployment trending upward. Presumably, this is Romney’s much-vaunted business sense at work.

As far as Jonah and Ledeen go, it’s freaking delicious. I also suspect that Ledeen did indeed write it out of obligation to the ghost of intellectual honesty: it’s one thing for Ledeen to be a bloodthirsty warmonger advocating on the behalf of other bloodthirsty warmongers, but the Magnum Doughpus is so ineptly dishonest that it makes even his ideological fellow-travelers look bad.

There is one clear winner, though: the GOP itself. Contrary to all expectations, the Republican race is exciting.

About as exciting as the race for last place in the Daytona 500.

Seriously!

These guys are all about “I don’t want to face her, YOU take it!”

Shorter Jonah: Don’t listen to anyone who knows anything about this subject. Also, don’t listen to anyone who criticizes me, because they don’t know anything about this subject.

Listen, if YOU made up a subject, you could say this too!

Shorter Jonah (on the Daily Show): People mistakenly use “fascism” as a codeword for anything a government may do that they don’t like, using it do decry perfectly acceptable things like rising militarism and oppressing minorities. They are totally wrong. In actuality, “fascism” can be defined as anything a government may do that *I* don’t like, like showing child-rearing videos at the DMV.

Foreign food! Ick! Just more proof, as if any were needed, that latte-swilling, granola-munching liberals are anti-American.

http://openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=3268

ummm

not to be too obvious about this and all, but
a) michael ledeen wrote a very positive book about fascism
b) michael ledeen is a neo-con of the first order
c) there has always been crossover between hard-left trotskyites and neo-cons
d) doughy wrote a book calling fascists liberals
e) michael ledeen doesn’t want to be called a liberal
so therefore
f) michael ledeen therefore drops a load on the load, as it were, saying, in essence, “look moron, don’t call me a fucking liberal just because i happen to have loved pinochet (and the iranian mullahs) before it was cool. i sold those motherfuckers guns, in fact, bitch”

I would like to remind Smut Clyde and the other Tim to think outside the box.

Also: Jon Stewart smacks Pantload around a little. I’d love to see the whole unedited 18 minutes.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=147884&title=jonah-goldberg

Yeah, I’m waiting for that 18 minutes too. I’ll buy a DVD if it had only that.

The edited version I saw last night was, IMHO, rather fair to Jonah’s ridiculous arguments, and *still* embarassing for Jonah. Stewart just kept slicing right into the middle of the blather with a scalpel.

And it’s a completely irrelevant side note – but J-Load can’t afford a stylist? If I was selling a book on TV I would do my best to look sharper than Johnny Depp. Jonah looked like a rube. I feel sorry for the part of him that isn’t trying to drag intellectual discourse to unseen depths.

Perhaps he didn’t think of a stylist. Or perhaps he thinks they’re all liberals fascists.

*choke* oh, that’s wonderful. I wonder if Jonah’ll be mad enough to bring up the whole Iran-Contra thing.

Oh! That would be scrumptious! Bringing that shit to light, where hurt feelings could lead to accusations and re-hashing history?
Say – didn’t Kucinich’s impeachment resolution(Cheney) get sufficient support in the House to get sent to the House Judiciary Committee?
Call me wildly optimistic, but it seems to me that a little hard work and mentioning Iran-Contra all over the place could stir up a little shit-storm. A storm the likes of which could spatter Abrams, Poindexter, and a bunch of other neo-cons. And give that resolution above a little kick in the ass …

I would like to remind Smut Clyde and the other Tim to think outside the box.

I can label outside the box. Will that do? Let me show you my box.

Hey now! Let’s not get all crazy and start showing off our boxes to each other.

Went over to Titz-on-a-Blintz to see how Pammy’s fundraising was going and inquired if she paid for her breast implants with a similar blog beg. First time I ever had a comment deleted anywhere.

Okay, so a few observations:

1) Just saw the interview on TDS — put a baseball hat on Doughy and he’s a right-wing Michael Moore, minus the charm and the cleverness. Take a look at him in 2003, also on the Daily Show. I think he’s got the same outfit, but he’s clean-shaven and quite a bit less doughy.

2) Jon Stewart sums it up so well, as he does:

Jon: You don’t like the ease with which people throw around the word “fascism”.
Jonah: That’s one of the things I don’t like, yes.
Jon: So what you’ve done is … [audience laughter] [displays book]

3)The German word “Durchfall” can be used to mean “fail” or “diarrhea”.

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Durchfall is now officially my new favorite lolcat word.

Is Jonah a noodle-puller or noodle-pusher?

Someone who is too priveleged to work writes for people who are too stupid to feed her.

This sounds like the premise to a comedy sketch. And you know what? It probably will be (if it isn’t already–I haven’t even clicked over to the thread yet).

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Perhaps he didn’t think of a stylist. Or perhaps he thinks they’re all liberals fascists.

Stylists are for faygalehs “Breck girls” like John Edwards! And Jonah’s momma always tells him he’s adorable just the way he is!

Just like a liberal fascist, not to understand the difference between the endless source of humor encapsulated in “Michael Moore is Fat” / “Al Gore’s Beard Looks Like A Spotted Owl Is Nesting In It” jokes, and the unstudied charm of the Doughy Pantload’s own… doughy, bescurfed, ill-thought-out public appearances.

Shalom, gentlemen.

Salaamu Malaikum, Gary.