sorry, but I’m still gaping at that Jolie pic. Holy cow I would kill (a wingnut) to look like that.

I’m tired of you sullying the Cheetos brand. What’s wrong with Cheetos?

If we’d had “Flamin’ Hot” when I was a kid, my fingers would be orange to this day.

Boobs? I like boobs. They’re nature’s candy!

Damn. When’d Jolie get all sickly thin? Ew.

Wait. Shit. Really? Her beef is that they’re using Dubai land to showcase a “hey, let’s not trash the earth.” thing? I dunno, I think I fathomed that pretty well. But then, I’m not a chronic alcoholic (Nor do I much care about either Brangelina, or the penis-haver of their relationship) , so maybe that’s the crucial difference.

And Dubai IS emerging as a major global spot for platinum-ended leisure and finances. Gosh, gee, sorry that reality is harshing your Glassed Desert Fantasies, Juggs.

Also, regarding female genital mutilation paranoia: circumcision.
Oh, but that’s different, right?

Grrr. *Goes back to my freaking delicious cheddar from Vermont. Seriously. You’ve never had cheddar till you’ve had this. Grafton Village Cheese Company. Yum.*

What is the deal with Pam Atlas? Okay, must stop this. But seriously, is it just me (and my browser) or does her “more here” ending …

It gets more unfathomable. Read it all here

… not contain an actual link (let along closing punctuation)?

I’ve always sort of known she posts drunk — and only drunk — but with this one it’s like she literally passed out in the middle of a blog post and her head somehow hit square on the left mouse button with the cursor hovering over ‘Publish’.

“independent” is another one of those words like “bipartisan”. it doesn’t mean anything, you just put it in front of things that you support.

Some Guy, why did you have to bring up circumcision? I prefer to just block all that out. Chopping off the most sensitive part. Wait, how did a patriarchal society ever think this was a good idea in the first place?

And with a push of “Publish?” Margolis completes the circle of wingnut welfare life cycle.

Ain’t nature amazing?

I’m glad you asked, pedestrian!
A common thought is that it started out when humans were less hygienic and in areas that were prone to dust, dirt, and sand getting every which where. The idea being that removing the foreskin would help prevent infection and all-around unpleasantness from building up. After a while, it was done mostly likely because, “That’s how we’ve always done it.” And when that wasn’t enough, “because God said so.”

While is it still done today? Probably a combination of those, plus the same ye olde aesthetic tastes that brought you shaving, tattoos, those metal neck spiral things that fuck the SHIT out of your shoulders* and foot binding.

Penn and Teller did one of their Bullshit! shows on it, with accompanying video. Suffice to say, the tools used on the babies to circumcise them would make all but the most hard core of bondage fetishist cringe.

*I can’t remember what they’re called, but it’s that tribe(s) somewhere in 3rd World where the women wear a long, continuous metal spiral down their necks, to give the illusion of a crazy-long neck. “Illusion” is the right word, because it’s doesn’t actually lengthen the neck (as that would require severing the vertebra which would, ya know, kill you), it crushes the shoulders down your back.

the hiring of a dozen conservative professors and the seizure of Negro-held lands

[clicks through]

[sees that this is an entirely accurate paraphrase]

I… bu… wha… You can’t make this shit up. And “reasonable” liberals tell us conservatives aren’t racist.

And damn you, Leonard. Now I’m gonna have the McLaughlin group haunting my nightmares.

Lesley said,
November 15, 2007 at 8:46

sorry, but I’m still gaping at that Jolie pic. Holy cow I would kill (a wingnut) to look like that.

Hey, in the world she is financing, they’d cut her clit off so fast, her head would spin. What’s up with that? Baby Zah’s and Shi’s too. And wrap these tools up in the chador, yo baby!

D. Aristophanes said,
November 15, 2007 at 9:14

I’ve always sort of known she posts drunk — and only drunk — but with this one it’s like she literally passed out in the middle of a blog post and her head somehow hit square on the left mouse button with the cursor hovering over ‘Publish’.

Am I the only one who considers this new “anti-drunk blogging” jihad unacceptable?
Because if it is i will stop reading this blog forever.

After a while, [circumcision] was done mostly likely because, “That’s how we’ve always done it.” And when that wasn’t enough, “because God said so.”
To bring a little colour and joy to your day, I recommend googling the word ‘subincision’.

The Dubai boycott of all things Israeli?
The quaint effects of sharia law?
The homey haunts of what Rep. Pete King once memorably called “Al Qaeda heartland”?
Donut Shoes?
No! Environmental issues! Whats up with that? Do they hate the Jews?

Herr Doktor Bimler said,
November 15, 2007 at 10:18

After a while, [circumcision] was done mostly likely because, “That’s how we’ve always done it.” And when that wasn’t enough, “because God said so.”
To bring a little colour and joy to your day, I recommend googling the word ’subincision’.

I am deeply disturbed by this thread. It is my fear that pictures like this and this will become available to children.

Please, let us put aside our hatred of cheetos and Angela Jolie and circumcision and think of the children.

DEATH TO THE PROHIBITIONISTS!

How does she think “A Mighty Heart” was a sop to jihad?

Herr Doktor Bimler said,
November 15, 2007 at 10:18

To bring a little colour and joy to your day, I recommend googling the word ’subincision’.

I fear for the future of these sort of pictures are allowed to be viewed by the children.

” From closing the budget deficit (which is already being closed, but don’t bother telling Democrats that) to paying for health care, Democrats are on the warpath to repeal President Bush’s alleged “tax cuts for the rich” from 2001 (if there’s one other thing besides winning Florida in 2000 which gets a Democrat’s goat, it is President Bush’s tax cuts of 2001…these were done even though Democrats carefully instructed President Bush on the necessity of implementing Democratic policies after the disputes of Election 2000). ”

” Buffet, a man who feels that he’s got his and so no need to keep the system going which allowed him to get rich, is trotted out (or, more accurately, trots himself out into the media spotlight) whenever Democrats need a rich guy to go on record in favor of tax-and-spend Democrat policies. “

The fact is, I love Mark Noonan (in a purely hetrosexual way… unlike some other people i can mention who will remain unnamed) but he can’t write himself out of.

Dumb witch. There are no clitorectomies in Dubai, nor is there Sharia law. (The clit-chopping is a mostly Afrikan cultural thing, practiced in some Muslim & other areas of Afrika.) Dubai is trying to get modern & be part of the West (&, of course, get hold of as much money as they can). The emirs & what not want to drag their people kicking & screaming into at least the early 20th century, but dumb ol’ Pamela (used to like that name) is going to ruin the whole thing if she doesn’t STFU. Granted, their labor laws are far from perfect, & probably not well-enforced, but enough prosperity & whatnot & the people will start doing something about it. (Crap, starting to sound like McMegan.)

If we’d had “Flamin’ Hot” when I was a kid, my fingers would be orange to this day.

Uh, I’m thinking they’d be more red than orange.

And Lesley, unless you’re morbidly obese or hideously disfigured, your Canadian-ness & progressivity make you more attractive than the penis-sporting publicity whore half of Brangelina any day of the week. Though I might knock someone out to have a body like that close to me. (I’d have to knock her out, really.) And remember the awful thing she did, stealing Brad Pitt away from that nice Jennifer Aniston.

Beauty is bone-structure deep, but humanity is brain-deep.

Three in a row from me, this thread is “stick a fork in it” done.

M. Bouffant said,
November 15, 2007 at 12:16

Three in a row from me, this thread is “stick a fork in it” done.

Quitter.
Taco iced green tea gives me a boner up to here.

I don’t know, M.B. Angelina looks pretty hot there, she was never really too my taste till i saw that picture (although i am sure that Lesley is pretty hot too, she must be, the way she writes).

As for old pammycakes, its columns like this that make me wonder whether she is just a parody. She writes like Dubai is some backward desert kingdom where Sharia is just around the corner and all woman have to cover up, or be cliterostamised at a moments notice. Dubai has turned into one of the most decadant, money grabbing place I have ever been too. All they need is casinos, and it would be Vegas (they already have the hookers). Personally, i can’t stand the place, full of new rich yuppie mid east and indian pricks and eurotrash.

lobbey said,
November 15, 2007 at 13:36

I don’t know, M.B. Angelina looks pretty hot there, she was never really too my taste till i saw that picture (although i am sure that Lesley is pretty hot too, she must be, the way she writes).

lobbey, you are new around here so can be forgiven for not knowing that Lesley has fat issues.

Dubai has turned into one of the most decadant, money grabbing place I have ever been too. All they need is casinos, and it would be Vegas (they already have the hookers). Personally, i can’t stand the place, full of new rich yuppie mid east and indian pricks and eurotrash.

Say, did I ever tell you about the time i went into a Starbucks with a guy who drives a Dodge Ram truck…?

I’m pretty sure Dubai or U.A.E. as a whole has Sharia law as family law, marriage law, inheritance law and so on. But then all other middleeastern countries have the same sharia based family law ( with one exception ), including…

Israel. (The one exception being of course Turkey)

Has anyone told this Atlas person that Sharia rules in Israel (Yes, core-Israel)?

Leave Pam alone! She’s not getting very many comments lately. Leave the poor girl be.

Great post, Leonard.

One quibble, shrieking harpy must always contain a link. (I’m sure Marita agrees with me on this point.)

Did Pammy raise such a stink when Halliburton moved their headquarters to Dubai?

I never read Pammy’s posts. Her true talent lies in vlogging.

Equating female genital mutilation with Islam is not only done by idiot bloggers. Ayaan Hirsi Ali, now famously at AEI, usually extrapolates widely from her own Somali uppbringing. (Btw, did you know that she used to work as a interpreter in a dutch abortion clinic. I guess that’s not yet considered ‘moral terpitude’.)

I meant wildly

I just checked. The shrieking harpy thing is still working. Is the wankosphere boycotting google?

Yeah, every university needs another dozen conservative professors to combat the iron fist rule of the philosophy and English departments.

All tits aside, I’m still just amused as hell about the “eat-in”. I’m sure their attempt at “discussion of ideas” or whatever it was will truly be the new “Harlem Renaissance”. I think I’ll put on white-face and do a new-fangled minstrel show. Perhaps with enough Adam’s Apple prosthetics we could form a group, The Dancing Coulters.

I guess we can’t eat if we’re going to do that impression though…

Um yeah Mary, I think they are boycotting Google. If you go to enough blogs you can also find a “Boycott Islam” banner.

Do you still have to fill out those little cards with charming questions like these:

Have you ever been arrested or convicted for an offense or crime involving moral turptitude or a violation related to a controlled substance; or been arrested or convicted for two or more offences for which the aggregate sentence to confinement was five years seeking entry to engage in criminal or immoral activity? Yes/No

Have you ever been or are you now involved in espionage or sabotage; or in terrorist activities: or genocide; or between 1933 and 1945 were you in involved, in any way, in persecutions associated with NAZI Germany or its allies? Yes/No

before entering the U.S.?

Isn’t the Columbia college Republicans thing itself satire, albeit typically clumsily executed satire, of actual demands of the current Columbia student hunger strikers?

Maybe you are double-secret satirizing them by pretending to take them at face value, in which case I apologize for posting before coffee.

Ex-Fed, the “eating strike” thing is a parody of the hunger strike, yeah, but their ‘demands’ are legit issues for Columbia conservatives, and the meeting itself is serious, so I figger it’s mockworthy.

To candy assed for a real hunger strike. Typical.

Do you see how bad this is? It starts out impossible to understand, and then gets even more impossible!

Ah.

So, a typical Crazy Pammy(tm) blog post.

It starts out impossible to understand, and then gets even more impossible!

Isn’t that like infinity squared? Or maybe I’m confusing it with carbon monoxide.

Can’t Columbia weed-out those nasty republicans during the admission process? Because, you know, isn’t this America and everything?

Leonard, I guess I wasn’t sure what portion of their demands were meant to be satirical and what ones were meant to be real. I find myself having that problem more and more often with Republicans.

Speaking of Cheeto eating jagoffs:

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/14/blogs-for-bush-ditches-bush/

heh.

That picture is an old one from her post-Hackers days. She is not horribly thin and has been thinner since but-

Never mind…

Real gluttony-strikers would eat deep-fried lard by the plateful,washed down with endless mugs of double cream. In a spirit of bipartisanship generosity, I’ll even prepare it for them.

Still waiting for a post on this earth-shattering news…

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/14/blogs-for-bush-ditches-bush/

Blogs For Bush ditches Bush.The right-wing website Blogs For Bush is no more as of this week. The site has announced that it is changing its name to Blogs For Victory. A possible explanation for the name change? “Falling ratings that seem to coincide with their President’s popularity.”

Bonus lovely graphic, too.

Man, you guys, it takes some stones to point out how we haven’t mentioned something yet in the comments thread of a post that mentions that very thing.

Damn! Then I look at the update and see that you guys area ll over it, as usual.

Man, you guys, it takes some stones to point out how we haven’t mentioned something yet in the comments thread of a post that mentions that very thing.

I am not worthy.

“Personally, i can’t stand the place, full of new rich yuppie mid east and indian pricks and eurotrash.”

Don’t forget all the new neocon sinecures soon to be openinp up at Halliburton.

Equating female genital mutilation with Islam is not only done by idiot bloggers. Ayaan Hirsi Ali, now famously at AEI, usually extrapolates widely from her own Somali uppbringing. (Btw, did you know that she used to work as a interpreter in a dutch abortion clinic. I guess that’s not yet considered ‘moral terpitude’.)

Out of curiosity, I wonder how much actual cutting off of clits actually occurs in the Islamic world? Is this actually something that appears in the Koran? Or is it just the usual wingnut blather? I’d guess the latter, given how often idiots like Pam and Horowitz keep mentioning it.

*Goes back to my freaking delicious cheddar from Vermont. Seriously. You’ve never had cheddar till you’ve had this. Grafton Village Cheese Company. Yum.*

For a real treat, try Cougar Gold.

Seriously. You will be amazed.

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs241/en/

Prevalence and distribution of FGM

Today, the number of girls and women who have been undergone female genital mutilation is estimated at between 100 and 140 million. It is estimated that each year, a further 2 million girls are at risk of undergoing FGM.

commie atheist —

The majority of Muslims don’t practice female circumcision, and it’s not mentioned anywhere in the Q’uran. Mohammed says nothing about it except in one comment thought by most scholars to be apocryphal (it’s a reference in a hadith, not anywhere in the Q’uran, and it’s not said by Mohammed, but by someone claiming to quote him). Shi’a never does it at all, and most of the Sunnis who do are Africans who performed it as part of their culture long before they were converted to Islam or fringe Arab sects who follow marginalized hadiths. The vast majority of Muslim scholars and clerics denounce the practice throughout the Islamic world, and the practice is banned in many Muslim countries, including Egypt. It’s extremely rare in the U.A.E., Crazy Pammy’s inebriated opinion to the contrary, and the very few people there who have it tend to be non-locals.

(X-post, to a degree, with Bubba. At any rate, the consensus is that it’s largely a cultural holdover that has little to nothing to do with Islam. Male genital mutilation, of course, is practiced on all Jewish males everywhere in the world, to the widespread non-condemnation of people like Pam.)

It was horrible, the aftermath of that battle for Columbia….Cheetos strewn across Morningside Heights like so many bullet casings…cans of Red Bull tossed blithely aside for the natives to pick up like dud grenades, possibly exploding off their hands…puddles of Republican vomit like landmines, carefully laid to disrupt even the most intrepid hero trying to attend the discussion of the writings of Steven Biko.

I tell you, no prisoners were taken, no quarters given (despite several pleas of “I need a Milky Way, dammit!”), no white boys got laid…even the cab drivers were silent as they cruised past the horror.

Because if it is i will stop reading this blog forever.

Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

Godwin’s Law be damned. She actually has the words “solution” and “cure” in her header. Does she really not see the parallels to Hitler’s final solution?

And in the same paragraph, she calls Jews the canary in the coal mine? So the canaries are being financed by eagles, with whom the canaries have an inordinate amount of political power, and this says what about the coal mine?

Effing Idiot!.

Good Call, g. Certainly a contender.

Developed in the food science department of Washington State University, it is the über cheddar. Scientifically engineered über-cheddar.

They actually developed the cheese working on canning processes, so it even comes canned and ready for nuclear winter.

Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

Noooooo! It’s shades of Bruce all over again, and I just can’t take another painful hit of that magnitude. We love drunk-blogging! Love it!

And may I add that Cabot’s “Old School” cheddar is quite nice.

i’m surprised Pam posted such a beguiling photo of Jolie. It must be unsettling the wingnuts who’d like to react vehemently but are somewhat distracted…

Look, without getting overly graphic, may I just point out discretely that I LIKE being circumcised?

Thank you.

I’ll put my pants on now.

mikey

Mikey, I don’t have a problem with it either — although, since it took place around the time I was a week old, I don’t really have a standard against which to judge it. I’m just amused by people like Pam who go completely bughouse at the thought of any female genital tampering whatsoever, while ignoring the fact that one of their approved religions does it to everyone as a matter of course to males.

Mikey, I don’t have a problem with it either — although, since it took place around the time I was a week old, I don’t really have a standard against which to judge it.

A drunken friend of mine was bragging about the sensitivity of his uncircumsized … searching for euphemism … heez doodle. I replied that it might be a nice thing to get sex out of the way in a jiffy instead of taking all that time.

Also, regarding female genital mutilation paranoia: circumcision.Oh, but that’s different, right?

Well, yes, as a matter of fact, it is. Quite different.

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs241/en/

Thanks, Bubba and Leonard. This was the key passage for me, from the site that Bubba provided:

In cultures where it is an accepted norm, female genital mutilation is practiced by followers of all religious beliefs as well as animists and non believers.

I have to disagree with the comparisons to male circumcision, though. I mean, it’s one thing to lose a little foreskin, which means some loss of sensitivity (still got mine, so I don’t really know for sure), and another altogether to have the clitoris removed. You can still come without a foreskin, whereas on the other hand…

“Bush” and “victory” are now officially antonyms.

Oh, and:

The reasons given by families for having FGM performed include:

religious reasons: Some Muslim communities, however, practise FGM in the belief that it is demanded by the Islamic faith. The practice, however, predates Islam.

“Blogs For Bush” is now “Blogs for Victory”?

The course of action is clear: the only right and indeed noble thing to do now would be to call it “Blogs for Bitchery”.

MzNicky —

I agree that male and female genital cutting are very different, but the difference is in degree, not in kind. There are a million reasons to oppose female genital cutting, and most of them are good ones, but the ones that the anti-jihadists tend to focus on (the fact that it’s a non-consensual activity and that it’s undertaken purely for religious reasons) apply equally to male genital cutting, about which they have boo to say.

Also, I am ashamed I have been delinquent in weighing in on the whole Cheddar debate. Dubliner Irish Cheddar is so fucking good it almost makes me believe in God.

There’s nothing like opening up a can of Cougar Gold and displaying the entire wheel on a platter for a party.

The homey haunts of what Rep. Pete King once memorably called “Al Qaeda heartland”?

Huh. I thought Saudi Arabia was al-Qaeda heartland. And Pakistan. Our friends!

Sometimes local is the right answer.

And so it is with cheese…

mikey

There are a million reasons to oppose female genital cutting, and most of them are good ones…

Mr. Pierce: I beg your pardon? “Most of them are good ones”? Could you, like, give me an example of one that is not?

Not to belabor the point, but male circumcision involves removal of foreskin. Female “circumcision” is cutting off most if not all external genitalia and perhaps sewing up the vagina besides. If there exists a good reason for this, I’d sure like to hear it.

Could you, like, give me an example of one that is not?

“Because Muslims do it.”

she calls Jews the canary in the coal mine? So the canaries are being financed by eagles, with whom the canaries have an inordinate amount of political power, and this says what about the coal mine?

Excuse me a moment while I denounce this practice of taking canaries down into coal mines. They get loose, you know. They’re breeding down there. Whenever you read about a coal-mine cave-in, it’s a cover-up — those ‘trapped miners’ were pecked to death by flocks of satanic soot-covered canaries. We must act now before they escape to the surface!

i’m surprised Pam posted such a beguiling photo of Jolie. It must be unsettling the wingnuts who’d like to react vehemently but are somewhat distracted…

Anything to get the click rate up, right? Taking her cues from Fox News, clearly.

Leave Pam alone! She’s not getting very many comments lately. Leave the poor girl be.

Shorter Psycheout; booobiess, heheheheh.

blogs4conservatives, Psycheout? Really? That’s the best you can come up with since Brownback pulled the ripcord?

And Lesley, unless you’re morbidly obese or hideously disfigured…

Well, unlike the Protein Wisdom people whose manhood is trounced by the Starbucks coffee menu, I’m no snob when it comes to peppermint mocha frappuccinos – which run around 800 calories a pop give or take a few tablespoons of whipped cream. So um, I’m packing 15 extra pounds this *holiday season* already and headed straight for sammich-ville.

Not to belabor the point, but male circumcision involves removal of foreskin. Female “circumcision” is cutting off most if not all external genitalia and perhaps sewing up the vagina besides. If there exists a good reason for this, I’d sure like to hear it.

Old thread, but MzNicky’s right. Female circumcision excises the female pleasure centre (the clitoris) and sets up the condition for hideous infections (sewing up the vagina, obstructing the menses,etc.) It’s designed to desexualize women. The conditions under which it’s performed are usually barbaric. The tools are unsterilized and the “operation” is excruciatingly painful.

The practice of removing foreskin, though painful, does not compare. (Though if I had a son, a baby, I probably not subject him to this and leave it to him to decide in his later years.)

Just to note, I was in a surgical recovery room once next to a guy in his twenties/early thirties who had just been circumsised because he kept getting infections. I don’t know if he never cleaned in there or was a “sleep-around Sammy” or what (we were both pretty groggy, & I was freezing) but if being desensitized & not getting infections is the result of it, it seems just fine to me. Plus Randy Andy Sullivan has been on about it (anti, he is) so…

I wouldn’t squawk about what circumcision has done for or to me – I think I’m doing okay – but it’s still unnecessary surgery and there are risks to weigh when chopping things off your infant. A little poke at the Googlinator will reveal horrors.

Treat it as a religious ritual passed down from a tribe that went nuts in the desert and who knows? Maybe your kid dies.

Circumcision seems to help with hygiene, but I’d still rather teach my son how to clean himself than subject him to torture when he’s a helpless infant (which is when most male circumcisions are done).

Adult males at least receive a local anaesthetic don’t they?

There’s an aesthetic factor too – the circumcised penis is thought to be more attractive. (But really, there’s not much a penis can do to look good is there, short of donning an Armani condom. Genitals are just weird, period. Women’s too. Georgia O’Keefe painted fantasies.)

There are men who claim that circumcision reduced their pleasure – those who were circumcised as adults, but how much frickin’ pleasure do you need?

(Now vasectomies are a whole other thing…the whining, the complaining, the claims that one’s masculinity is compromised!)

the whining, the complaining, the claims that one’s masculinity is compromised!
Lesley, rest assured that I behaved in bed like that, even before the vasectomy.

there’s not much a penis can do to look good is there

But they will always try. Always.

And, as a recipient of a vasectomy, it is the only way to go. 20 min. and $600 bucks (at least when I had mine) is no comparison to the cost and risks of tubal ligation (not that I am opposed to those, but the men whining about getting snipped really piss me off.)