There must be a clenis (playing with my heart)
Posted on November 3rd, 2007 by
The wingnut librarian (as some like to call her) joins the list of those who find new and creative ways to blame everything on the Clenis:
We know the Clinton years’ incompetencies lead up to the Iraq War[.]
If by “lead up”‘ she means “come before” — as in, the Reagan years lead up to 9/11 or the Jefferson years lead up to Hiroshima.
The George III years lead up to World War II! QUICK INVADE BRITAIN
wait, don’t, all my stuff is there
We know the Clinton years’ incompetencies lead up to the Iraq War
[jaw drops open]
uh. . . wha?
So that photo of Donnie Rumsfeld shaking Saddam’s hand was evidence of a stroke of genius?
Everyone knows the Iraq war has been the biggest success ever, and how dare that traitorous bitch Norma try and credit the Klintoons with helping bring it to fruition.
Am I late to this party? Has anyone else noticed how freaking absurd this is?
Is Bill Clinton not the owner of The Greatest Cock of All Time?
I think it is clear.
Without Bill’s wank, the GOP would be down to hate, racism, homophobia, xenophobia, and hate.
Uh, wait a minute here…
I think you are that Beth, because you beat me to that quote.
It seems S,N! has tapped the ADD segment of wingnuttia.
I….. how could anyone possibly justify 11 blogs?
How could anyone maintain 11 blogs?
I think the psychology behind the lovely Norma’s (!) point is very similar to all the closeted double wet-suited rabid homophobic GOP dead guys found with dildos up their asses. Also, rabid homophobic alive guys like Larry Craig.
You KNOW she’s curious about the great wank of doom. How could she not be? She’s probably 0 fer life when it comes to O’s.
…how could anyone possibly justify 11 blogs?
How could anyone maintain 11 blogs?
Earth to Ntodd…come in Ntodd…No that’s not what I meant!
Anyone every watch Burke’s Connections series? Great stuff. The desire to make cheap scarves lead to IBM, and the spark plug exists because someone was looking to cure malaria, etc. Totally worth renting.
Anyway Gavrilo Princip is to blame for the whole Iraq thing.
Hitler was Moses’ fault. DUH!
We know the Clinton years’ incompetencies lead up to the Iraq War[.]
Dumb and denial-y as it is, there’s a tiny fraction of a point to this – if you ignore a lot of stuff, including Bush Sr.’s blowing the living shit out of Iraq before Clinton took office, and the aforementioned Rumsfeld / Saddam lovefest. The sanctions against Iraq were maintained all throughout the Clinton years and were fairly nasty. If that had all been sorted out in some better fashion, it might have been a lot harder for Dumbya to start blowing Iraq up in earnest again.
But what I really want to know is this: Why is everyone spelling “led” L-E-A-D?
We know the Clinton years’ incompetencies lead up to the Iraq War[.]
Yes, much as the incompetencies of Mayan king Bird Jaguar lead up to the Mexican American War. Or, similarly, how the incompetencies of Trilobites in the early Cambrian led to the Permian mass extinction event. Any idiot can see that. Especially an idiot with 11 blogs.
But what I really want to know is this: Why is everyone spelling “led” L-E-A-D?
I’m thinking that it’s because when our glorious leaders lead, they send out guys to dispense high-velocity LEAD, and so that’s kind of Lead-er-ship. Y’know?
Like Chris said in “The Magnificent Seven”: We deal in lead, friend…
mikey
We know the Clinton years’ incompetencies lead up to the Iraq War[.]
You guys have never heard this wingnut TP before? Yadda yadda the World Trade Center the first time (1993? I forget); blah blah blah weakened the military; yak yak yak teh Clenis. Conveniently forgotten: The intelligence reports handed off to the incoming Bushies, among which was the “Al Quaeda determined to strike the US” presidential report, all 86-ed specifically because they were tained by Teh Clenis administration.
So when Hillary takes office we’ll not only still have Teh Clenis to kick around (ok, sorry, that’s a visually unpleasant metaphor) we’ll also have Teh Cligina. Teh Clitonis. Whatever misogynist neologism awaits us. I for one can’t wait!!
“tainTed,” rather.
Fuckin’ aye. Not to mention how the collapse of the Hittite Empire led to the cancellation of Gilligan’s Island.
Bill Clinton, Norman Mineta and their ilk were incompetent fools who should have taken Bin Laden when the Sudanese offered to hand him to us on a silver platter. Now I’m not one of those insane treasonous 9/11 troofers so I don’t blame Clinton or any other American for 9/11, however the world would be a much safer place right now if Clinton had just taken Bin Laden when the Sudanese made that most generous of offers.
9/11 troofers should be put up against a wall and shot!
I was going to ask how you manage to find these loons, but I guess it’s not too hard when they produce 11 blogs per person. I hear her GWAR fan site is one of the best out there.
Whoa. I checked her profile and she’s a retired librarian. No employed librarian, my humble self included, could ever maintain even two blogs. We’re too busy beating back the book censors and ensuring intellectual freedom for the masses. Oh. . .and helping students find sources for their Comp I papers on abortion, gun control, the death penalty, and assisted suicide, the Four Horseman of the Undergraduate Apocalypse.
Puppetry of the Clenis™
The fact is, you liberals don’t have a clear understanding of history like us conservatives do.
Man, right, edub. And she writes that she’s worked ” …. in a variety of subject fields at The Ohio State University Libraries including …. Latin American Studies.”
The name of her first blog? “Illegals Today.” I’ll bet some Buckeye Chicano Studies/Ethnic Studies majors could tell some stories …
“Collecting my thoughts” eh? There’s a complete and total waste of time.
Oh yes, Norm. Let’s talk about things “we” know. I’ll go first.
We know the authoress of Collecting My Thoughts can shoot 52 ping-pong balls from her tired old waz in less than a minute. For pictures see one of her more popular blogs: Collecting My Twats.
See how easy that is?
. . .and helping students find sources for their Comp I papers on abortion, gun control, the death penalty, and assisted suicide, the Four Horseman of the Undergraduate Apocalypse.
But this is an OSU librarian. Surely the Four Horseman are Michigan, Michigan, Michigan, and Michigan?
I understand she has an entire set of display cases where she keeps her boogers.
And a blog called “Collecting my Snots”…
mikey
If it wasn’t for Clinton’s incompetence, al queada wouldn’t have had the capability to carry out 9/11. If Clinton was doing what he was elected to instead of getting blowjobs from the whore Monica he would have retaliated against the Islamo-fascists after the first world trade center bombing in 1993. Also did I mention the 1998 embassy bombings in Africa and the bombing of the USS Cole in 2000. Where was Clinton then? Doing his job? I think not my leftwing friends.
where was bush on 9/11? Reading a children’s book. Then he ran away and hid for a day.
Bush didn’t hide at all, rather he decimated al queada and the taliban regime that was harbouring them when he invaded Afganistan.
The fact is we know that Clinton incompetencies action, the war in Iraq; We
Try to – some people – everything looks new and fresca. Like Maikehake than Romney or the president or Tom ??more
The fact is we know that Clinton incompetencies action, the war in Iraq; We
Try to – some people – everything looks new and fresca. Like Maikehake than Romney or the president or Tom ??more
The fact is we know that Clinton incompetencies action, the war in Iraq; We
Try to – some people – everything looks new and fresca. Like Maikehake than Romney or the president or Tom ??more
The fact is we know that Clinton incompetencies action, the war in Iraq; We
Try to – some people – everything looks new and fresca. Like Maikehake than Romney or the president or Tom … more
“the taliban regime that was harbouring them”
Talk American, you British (or Canadian) pansy!
How could anyone maintain 11 blogs?
She’s the Tyler Durden of bloggers.
The fact is you folks will never win international comedy blog awards if your wordpress spits out these type of bigotted jingoistic error warnings-
WordPress database error: [Illegal mix of collations (latin1_swedish_ci,IMPLICIT) and (utf8_general_ci,COERCIBLE) for operation ‘=’]
Why do you hate Chinese?
saul… holy cow! Even I, as a dispassionate outsider, see the insanity of your last post! You don’t have a clue about history, do you? Each sentence you type is wrong on so many levels… seek help, my friend. Oh, sorry… you probably can’t afford it. Apparently, medical treatment in the U.S. requires cold, hard cash up front.
Awww… kward…
. . .and helping students find sources for their Comp I papers on abortion, gun control, the death penalty, and assisted suicide, the Four Horseman of the Undergraduate Apocalypse.
But this is an OSU librarian. Surely the Four Horseman are Michigan, Michigan, Michigan, and Michigan?
Jack Kevorkian, M.D. (IPA pronunciation: [k?.?v???.ki.?n] [1]) (born May 20, some sources say May 26[2], 1928) is a controversial American pathologist. He was born in Pontiac, Michigan to Armenian-American parents. . .
(from Wikipedia, which is to the Four Undergraduate Horseman as the Bible is to the real thing.)
There is a book I want you liberals to read. “Conservative Comebacks to Liberal Lies” by Gregg Jackson. It goes from A is for abortion to z is for zealot terrorists. 26 chapters issue by issue and stating all the most common liberal lies and refuting them one at a time. I strongly encourage you liberals to pick up a copy at your local bookstore today. You just might be persuaded to become conservative.
getting blowjobs from the whore Monica he would have retaliated
Well, I mean, come on now. It’s hard to get worked up after a good blow job. He was way too relaxed to get his war on!
What was Reagan’s excuse when he pussed out of Lebanon?
Ahh, the first World Trade Bombing in 1993. February 26, 1993. I lived in Manhattan then.
Bill Clinton was inaugurated on January 20, 1993 as the 42nd President of the United States.
World Trade Towers were hit by jetliners on 9/11/2001. I still lived in Manhattan then.
George Walker Bush (born July 6, 1946) is the forty-third and current President of the United States of America, originally inaugurated on January 20, 2001.
Clinton, in office for one month, to blame for WTC bombing.
G.W.Bush in office for 8 months, and WARNED ABOUT BIN LADEN (“you’ve covered your ass now, son”), not to blame for 9/11…that’s Clinton’s fault, too.
See, reichtards do understand history. It’s something they tell lies about.
Saul can’t even find a blog where anyone agrees with him (allegedly), so he comes here to taunt.
He’s probably another closeted Catholic in real life. Pay him no mind, for he is Moronitude Personified (allegedly). He could be some lefty prick with a huge ADD problem. Doesn’t matter.
Insane is what insane types.
Saul, if that IS your real name, why, pray tell, are you here? There are so many sites de wingnuttia who would bow down to your genius and logic.
Me thinks Saul is some sort of person that should be on the government’s ever-growing watch-list. If he’s real, he’s clearly about to blow. And then he’ll get all violent.
The fact is if this is not due to the incompetence of Clinton, it is not
Al Queada have the ability, 9 / 11 If Clinton had been elected
bubbles are pute monicaschatz, counter-attack after against Islamic fascism, the first World Trade Center the bomb attacks 1993. Moreover, he said, the 1998 embassy bombings in Africa and the bombing of the USS Constellation Kohl in 2000. It Clinton, then?
For their work done?
It is not my friends Left
There is a document I want you conservatives to read. “The Constitution” by The Founding Fathers. It goes from the preamble to the 27th amendment, and includes such stuff as habeas corpus and prohibitions against illegal search and seizure. It refutes all conservative lies one at a time. I strongly encourage you conservatives to pick up a copy at your local library today. You just might be persuaded to become a real conservative (also known as a “liberal” these days.
Whew. Took a second but I fixed your typos.
We’d have been at least one war down if Laura swallowed happily and vigorously.
And most of the rest of the world would still sort of like us. Laura? What say ye?
It’s all your fault, Mrs. Bush. If you were the Town Gobbler, we’d all be better off.
Well said, and thank you, edub.
Over the last 20 years or so, it’s been like…well, politics. 1st Amendment? OK, that’s yours, Dems. 2nd? Unquestionably ours, says the GOP.
Both sides agreed to cough up the 4th and call it a draw.
And so on…
where was bush on 9/11? Reading a children’s book. Then he ran away and hid for a day.
Then he blew up a country that had nothing to do with the attack just so he could look tough.
It’d be really pathetic if it weren’t so deadly.
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saul said,
November 3, 2007 at 3:18
If it wasn’t for Clinton’s incompetence, al queada wouldn’t have had the capability to carry out 9/11. If Clinton was doing what he was elected to instead of getting blowjobs from the whore Monica he would have retaliated against the Islamo-fascists after the first world trade center bombing in 1993. Also did I mention the 1998 embassy bombings in Africa and the bombing of the USS Cole in 2000. Where was Clinton then? Doing his job? I think not my leftwing friends.
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Ya know 5 years ago I would have spent the 20 minutes it takes to completely debunkthis rancid piece of shit GOP delusion. In fact I did so at least a dozen times or so on the Yahoo boards.
Now..
Drop dead you fucking wormy little piece of shit.
Clinton, in office for one month, to blame for WTC bombing.
Why not mention the Cole, as well? Attacked in October of 2000.
Bush did nothing about the Cole 3 times longer than Clinton did nothing about the Cole.
Aw fuck, old habits die hard:
http://www.thedubyareport.com/gubush911.html
Bush held up plan to hit Bin Laden In-Depth
Julian Borger Guardian Unlimited
Monday August 5, 2002
The Bush administration sat on a Clinton-era plan to attack al-Qaida in Afghanistan for eight months because of political hostility to the outgoing president and competing priorities, it was reported yesterday.
The plan, under which special forces troops would have been sent after Osama bin Laden, was drawn up in the last days of the Clinton administration but a decision was left to the incoming Bush team.
However, a top-level discussion of the proposals took place only on September 4, a week before the al-Qaida attacks on New York and Washington. In the months in between, the plan was shuffled through the bureaucracy by an administration distrustful of anything to do with Bill Clinton and which appeared fixated on national missile defence and the war on drugs, rather than the struggle against terrorism.
The news emerged as the political truce that followed the terrorist attacks evaporates in the heat of the looming congressional elections in November. It represents the strongest indictment so far of the Bush team’s preparedness for an attack.
The plan to take the counter-terrorist battle to al-Qaida was drafted after the attack on the warship the USS Cole in Yemen in October 2000. Mr Clinton’s terrorism expert, Richard Clarke, presented it to senior officials in December, but it was decided that the decision should be taken by the new administration.
According to today’s Time magazine, Mr Clinton’s national security adviser, Sandy Berger and Mr Clarke outlined the threat in briefings they provided for Condoleezza Rice, George Bush’s national security adviser, in January 2001, a few weeks before she and her team took up their posts.
At the key briefing, Mr Clarke presented proposals to “roll back” al-Qaida which closely resemble the measures taken after September 11. Its financial network would be broken up and its assets frozen. Vulnerable countries like Uzbekistan, Yemen and the Philippines would be given aid to help them stamp out terrorist cells.
Crucially, the US would go after Bin Laden in his Afghan lair. Plans would be drawn up for combined air and special forces operations, while support would be channelled to the Northern Alliance in its fight against the Taliban and its al-Qaida allies.
Mr Clarke, who stayed on in his job as White House counter-terrorism tsar, repeated his briefing for vice president Dick Cheney in February. However, the proposals got lost in the clumsy transition process, turf wars between departments and the separate agendas of senior members of the Bush administration.
It was, the Time article argues, “a systematic collapse in the ability of Washington’s national security apparatus to handle the terrorist threat”.
Bush administration officials have played down the significance of the January briefings, describing them as simply advocating “a more active approach”. Ms Rice issued a statement saying she did not even recall a briefing at which Mr Berger was present.
But the Time report quotes Bush officials as well as Clinton aides as confirming the seriousness of the Clarke plan. The sources said it was treated the same way as all policies inherited from the Clinton era, and subjected to a lengthy “policy review process”.
The proposals were not re-examined by senior administration officials until April, and were not earmarked for consideration by the national security heads of department until September 4.
“If we hadn’t had a transition,” a senior Clinton administration official is quoted as saying, “probably in late October or early November 2000, we would have had [the plan to go on the offensive] as a presidential directive.”
However, Donald Rumsfeld, the defence secretary, was more interested in the national missile defence plan, and the new attorney general, John Ashcroft, was more interested in using the FBI to fight the “war on drugs” and clamping down on pornography. In August, he turned down FBI requests for $50m for the agency’s counter-terrorist programme.
Meanwhile, in Afghanistan, appeals from the Northern Alliance’s leader, Ahmed Shah Massoud, for more US aid fell on deaf ears. He was assassinated on September 9.
And on it goes. Amendment V? We can agree to split that one and call it a draw, too. That “due process of law” shit is for girlie-men.
VI? More pussy shit. Confronting your accuser? That would let the Bush Administration, and future power whores in future Dem Admins off the hook. Pass.
VIII: Cruel and unusual punishment? Depends on the definition of “is.”
X? “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.” Well, sure, unless both the states and the Feds say to the people, “Fuck you.”
We are so fucked.
Led. Led. LED!!11Eleventy-one11!!!
Sheesh, got my spelling knickers in a twist there.
So the argument is that Bill Clinton should have rooted out Al Qaida, then… what? George Bush would have never been given the blank check to fuck up Iraq? That’s why Democrats are to blame for the war?
In that case, I blame Barbara Bush for not using birth control and George H W for pulling the strings to keep his son out of Vietnam.
The fact is, the constitution supports what we conservatives have been saying for many years now.
1. There is no right to an abortion in the constitution. That is judge made law and therefore unconstitutional. There is however in the Decleration of Indepence which proceeded our constitution by 11 years the right to LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It has been scientifically proven that life begins at conception, so therefore the constitutional right to life includes the unborn.
2. The U.S. Constitution and the rights described there in are for American citizens only! Not for terrorists captured on the battlefield nor for illegal aliens. So therefore the rights to a fair trial, the right to an attorney and the right to habeas corpus DO NOT APPLY TO FOREIGN TERRORISTS!
3. There is no “seperation of church and state” in the constitution. The term “seperation of church and state” is from a private letter written by Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists in 1801 which was taken out of context. Rather the first amendment of the U.S. Constitution states that “CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW RESPECTING THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A RELIGION OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERSISE THERE OF”. Now regarding the establishment of a religion if you take the historical perspective of the time the constitution was written in its proper context you would know that the founders wished to avoid an oppresive national church such as the Church of England which oppressed baptists, methodists, quakers, catholics, jews and anyone who wasn’t Anglican. The founders certainly did not object to school prayer or the posting of the Ten Commandments in public places. In fact up until the year 1962 I believe when the Supreme Court wrongly ruled school prayer was unconstitutional, There was prayer in public schools!
So as you can see my liberal friends the Constitution of these great United States clearly SUPPORTS THE CONSERVATIVE POSITION!
Oh, and Saul: where the fuck is bin Laden now, my ignorant friend? Do you recall your mighty Preznit saying “I am truly not that concerned about him”?
Jeebus, some folks are so thick it’s a wonder they survived to adulthood.
WACK WACK WACK eh saul?
When did saul become FakeGary?
My thoughtful and detailed rebuttals follow.
It has been scientifically proven that life begins at conception
Pig’s arse, you ignorant git.
So therefore the rights to a fair trial, the right to an attorney and the right to habeas corpus DO NOT APPLY TO FOREIGN TERRORISTS!
U haz got othr lwz, fuckface.
“CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW RESPECTING THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A RELIGION OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERSISE THERE OF
How does this not spell “separation of church and state”, oh ye of little brain?
What was Reagan’s excuse when he pussed out of Lebanon?
I’m thinking maybe “mommy” gave the reagan-missile unit a little extra attention that night? Just kinda thinking out loud here, with my gag reflex suppressed…
mikey
Al Gore’s invention led to comment thread trolls.
Oh, I don’t think little Saul has made it there yet. The style is definitely mid-adolescent.
Meanwhile, I’ve finally figured out how to use the Greasemonkey function. That really does improve things.
The fact is, the constitution supports what we conservatives have been saying for many years now.
1. There is no right to an abortion in the constitution. . . .so therefore the constitutional right to life includes the unborn.
There’s no right to Internet access in the Constitution . . . . so therefore I’m a criminal for posting this!
And so am I!
OK, last one, Saul, or should I call you Luke?
Yeah, there’s no explicit “abortion clause” in the Constitution, but non-morons could read the general context of the thing as, “Leave me the fuck alone unless you have a VERY good excuse to violate my person.”
#2, it isn’t the foreigners we’re talking about here, Luke. There are plenty of U.S. citizens currently denied the right of this Amendment. Richard Reid is probably the most famous one, and if they hadn’t tortured the snot out of him and made him a vegetable (it could happen to you, Luke/Saul, if us Libtards Get The Power!) he would be imprisoned on some rational grounds.
#3. If you can’t tell our Founding Fathers, most of whom were representing people who were fleeing religious persecution (which I suspect you’re a big fan of, secretly, Luke/Mark/John/Saul) to get here to the New World, you’re even more retarded than your posts would imply.
Only a fucking retard could consider the overall attitudes of our Founding Fathers as anything other than, “Whoa! Those religious people are fucking nuts if they get The Power!”
Go away. I’m done engaging your stupid, Messianic, bigoted, low-IQ shit forever here. You’ll have to taunt others.
Have fun with your closet sodomy and shit, you liar.
When did saul become FakeGary?
FakeGary wasn’t even trying. At least Saul can put his bullet points in numerical order.
At least to three.
from commenter on wingnut librarian
“Tom Tankreedo said…
Yeah, Clinton caused the Iraq war. That’s the dumbest fucking thing I’ve ever read.”
I guess her Moonbat filter is on the blink.
from commenter on wingnut librarian
“Tom Tankreedo said…
Yeah, Clinton caused the Iraq war. That’s the dumbest fucking thing I’ve ever read.”
I guess her Moonbat filter is on the blink.
If she filters, she ain’t a real librarian.
OT, but this has to be the worst thing I’ve seen all week:
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2007/11/01/costello.single.women.voters.cnn?iref=videosearch
Basically, Hillary has overwhelming (49%) support from young Democratic females, but they are all notoriously slutty bimbos so it may not make a difference.
If God is so opposed to Abortion, why isn’t it in the 10 commandments? Aren’t they supposed to be the most important of his rules?
Ditto Homosexuality
The sixth commandment: Thou shall not murder.
Leviticus 18:22 “Do not lie with mankind as one lies with womankind, that is an abomination”.
Did I miss anything Kathy?
Leviticus is not the 10 commandments, Saul. OT yes, Moses-era no.
Yes, you missed something. Lots of somethings.
And Saul, you still haven’t provided the “scientific proof” you claim to possess that life begins at conception. We await that with great eagerness.
John my child. There is absolutely no evidence that the rights of any American citizen has been violated from the patriot act. So until you libs can produce a single instance of a man’s rights being violated you must admit that you all are naive for opposing common sense anti-terror legislation such as the U.S.A Patriot Act.
THE ENTIRE “OLD TESTAMENT” IS THE WORD OF GOD!
NOT JUST THE TEN COMMANDMENTS!
I am no scientist Qetesh, but ask any scientist or doctor and he will tell you that it has been scientifically proven that life begins at conception. I believe it was on the discovery channel or something. Do any of you remember that discovery channel documentary about life in the womb.
Levitticus 19:19:
“You shall keep my statues. You shall not let your animals breed with a different kind; you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed; nor shall you put on a garment made of two different materials.”
Got any polyblend sweaters, saul?
saul=annieangel=attention trool.
It has to be true, I saw it on the discovery channel or something.
And by the way Qetesh, the first five books of the Old Testament Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy which make up the Holy Torah were all written by Moses at the direction of the Spirit of God.
a different brad said,
November 3, 2007 at 5:17
Levitticus 19:19:
“You shall keep my statues. You shall not let your animals breed with a different kind; you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed; nor shall you put on a garment made of two different materials.”
And you sure as hell better not be eating any Reese’s Peanut Butter Cups™.
Saul and his pals are making this blog booooring!
Someone calling himself saul made an intelligent comment over at the wingnut librarian’s post. He sounds like he could be a Sadlynaut in fact. I wonder if it’s our saul and if he’s a Sadlynaut spurned. Someone who had his lolcat submission ignored or didn’t get a hanx he thought was his due and decided he’d settle for being hated if he couldn’t be loved. If there weren’t a bowl, a Guinness and the crossword puzzle waiting for me I’d dig through the archives to crack this case.
For you though, saul, it’s, ‘splodey pie one mo’ ‘gin.
And by the way Qetesh, the first five books of the Old Testament Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy which make up the Holy Torah were all written by Moses at the direction of the Spirit of God.
Hey, Saul, I’ve got a bridge to sell you.
What? Well, he’s so fucking gullible, he’ll believe anything.
I am no scientist Qetesh, but ask any scientist or doctor and he will tell you that it has been scientifically proven that life begins at conception. I believe it was on the discovery channel or something. Do any of you remember that discovery channel documentary about life in the womb.
I’m sorry, that is just so cute, I can’t be annoyed with a 12 year old. Tell you what, saul, while you are feeling curious, go to the library and borrow some books on the subject. I’ll bet they have some nice video documentaries too. Stop getting your science news from Bill O”Reilly.
I do give Bill Clinton credit though for setting that treasonous 9/11 troofer straight when he tried to interupt his speech by spewing his disproven anti-american bile. Got to give credit where credit is do I suppose and for that I applaude Clinton that he at least has enough brains and patriotism to know that 9/11 was not an inside job.
Any idiot who thinks that 9/11 was an inside job should be shot.
Levitticus 19:19:
“You shall keep my statues.
Nah, YHVH never let the Jews make statues — it’s in the 10 Really Good Suggestions.
By the wall, Saul (if that’s your real name) Moses is a fictional character. Never existed; never wrote shit.
Good luck with that brain tumor.
Fuck. I know I closed it.
“By the wall” … By the way … whatever.
S,N: Please ban Saul. The threads are sucking.
Marc, I prefer the original: it has a ring to it.
I’m with MzNicky. It’s a fake trool, the worst kind. (Except for all the other worst kinds, but never mind that now.)
“It has been scientifically proven that life begins at conception”
The human mind, which is what I’m equipped with, cannot truly begin to respond to this. If this is true, then it follows that:
1. women who miscarry should be charged with at least involuntary manslaughter.
2. women who use contraceptives, and the men who abet them, should be charged with the same.
3. sperm and ova each consist of 1/2 human life, so male masturbation and female menses should be subject to some kind of legal sanction.
Oh, and “saul”? You’re not “conservative.” BushCo has destroyed the idea of “conservative” for a generation. Nation-building, pre-emptive invasions, war on borrowed money, astronomical national debt, the abrogation of legal treaties–dream on, boychick. You’re conservative like I’m Moshiach.
You’re just another religious nut. Spare me your “political viewpoint.”
Greasmonkey FTW!!
There it is, ‘bear, m’man.
There it motherfuckin IS….
mikey
Saul ‘Jeremiah Johnson Jr’ just took a tomahawk to the head.
I second Saul’s recommendation. Just look at what Gregg Jackson wrote after gay marriage was legalized in Massachusetts:
Is it a coincidence that it took place exactly 13 weeks before Ramadan?
Is it a coincidence that it took place eight and half months before the anniversary of the Lindbergh baby kidnapping?
Is it a coincidence that it took place exactly one hour, nineteen minutes, and thirty-eight seconds before Thomas Addington of 1139 Maple St. Oskaloosa, Iowa next broke wind?
I THINK NOT!
This is a man who takes wingnuttery to a new level. His oeuvre definitely deserves to be followed by Sadly, No!.
But this is an OSU librarian. Surely the Four Horseman are Michigan, Michigan, Michigan, and Michigan?
I believe the OSU canon refers to Michigan State University, the University of Michigan, the state of Michigan (in its entirety), and Indiana (aka ‘Ohio without the vile chemical aftertaste’).
There is a Michigander adage that anyone living in Ohio after their eighteenth birthday is either lazy or a lunatic, and if she’s keeping up 11 blogs, Norma ain’t lazy.
There is one way to read that that makes sense and that’s Clinton’s second term Iraq crap where he decided to bomb Iraq’s non-existant WMD facilities. It wasn’t just dumb, the sanctions regime was murderously dumb. Children died while his pencil pushers congratulated themselves on a shipment of medicine or pencils was interdicted because graphite or pharmaceticals might make something dangerous. They died in the millions for lack of water treatment because these chemicals were reagents for a chemical weapons program that existed in the 80’s. Shit their guts out from dysentary and died.
I guess it beat the charnal house of horrors that Bush unleashed on Iraq, but in all honesty Clinton did provide one hell of a warm up act.
Oh, fuck. I am too full of nice Italian red wine to be very objective about the comments.
But I do think that everyone who is pissed of about Saul should just go with the pie script.
I am very fond of pie, and it always makes me feel good to know that others enjoy pie too.
Ah shit. Bimlers pissed again. Somebody go get the good snuff. Oh, and a good stout brandy for me. (See, I can learn a foreign language.)
and Indiana (aka ‘Ohio without the vile chemical aftertaste’).
Goddam, that’s funny. I mean, I don’t actually GET it, but it’s still funny…
mikey
Any idiot who thinks that 9/11 was an inside job should be shot.
Any idiot who says that any idiot ought to be shot should be….well, they should be made to talk about how much they like pie.
saul, you stupid, vile, inhuman asshole motherfucker, this is the last thing Ihave to say to you before you go into the merciful arms of the pie-loving brethren.
Someone who advocates the wholesale killing of their fellow human beings, and fellow citizens is a fucking criminal.
I know it is easy on the internet to go a little overboard with hyperbole. But I am fucking tired of listening to a fucking psychopath like you.
Saul’s one sad excuse for a redneck – er, ‘conservative’ as they erroneously dub themselves these days.
Not only does he not understand grammar or spelling, he doesn’t understand the US Constitution or the intent of the Founding Fathers.
I am hoping like hell he’s a Brit because I’m Canadian.
g.
Come over to the pie side.
You won’t feel a thing…
I promise…
mikey
RIGHT POWER! RIGHT POWER! RIGHT POWER!
Coconut cream, did you say, Saul?
Because the right wing is all powerful and will take over the government in 2008!
mikey, I am a willing convert to the pie side
Actually, I make a pretty good pate brisee.
While I am still developing my Pork Pot Pie recipe. I’m thinking Pinko would wanna give it a go…
mikey
Someone needs to ban Herr Doktor Bimler from this site. We don’t need any anti-semitic nazi swine!
If we become pie-istas, are there any cool wardrobe things we get, or maybe there are interesting feast days or celebrations?
Dammit I said the GOOD snuff.
This crap wouldn’t startle a Virginian.
At night.
Dammit…
mikey
Sorry, saul, but somehow I see you going before the good Doktor goes.
And where do you get off referring to yourself and the rest of us on this site as ‘we’? You’re the attention troll here, we just see someone who likes himself a lot of pie.
I call fake Doktor Bimler. I think someone is slandering the good Doktor.
mikey – I am working on a good Tuscan red. I dunno about teh snuff stuff.
I think someone is slandering the good Doktor.
Me too – once again, the trolls are nice enough to let us know exactly who pissed them off and go into a poorly-spelled, feces-flinging, mouth-foaming dumbshit rampage.
Then again, pretending to be a Nazi does let you vent your real feelings if you’re a goose-stepping authoritarian eliminationist.
If that really is you and you’re playing some sort of subtle joke, Herr Doktor, forget I said anything.
What an anti-semitic pig this Doktor Bimler is!
I hate to even say it, but we may have to destroy this Herr Doktor in order to save him…
mikey
Dang, y’all. Is there a full moon or something? Is it about daylight savings time? I thought I was crazy, but there are fucking crazier people here on this blog.
I’m going to bed now and hope when I get up in the morning, our good doktor has been restored to his usual self.
And whatever jerk-off has decided to impersonate him – well, you, sir, are a fucking asshole.
The fct is I just wanted to be the first to post “Pooptart” on this blog.
ressurected?
You’re getting better, fake Herr Doktor, but still not perfect with the spelling, and the creativity is still pure Republican. Pleh.
I fear that the new Doktor and the new Gary are zombies. They are the undead.
But – anyway – I’m going to bed. G’night.
The fact is liberals regularly use sockpuppets to avoid arguing the serius points.
Pooptart!
…Mein Führer…
Snuff!
Well, we’ll see which of the tighty-rightie blogs these fake Doktor posts are quoted on to prove that libruls = nazi.
Is that you, Ace?
Ok you anti-semitic pig if I ever see you I am gonna pop you in the snout!
Looks like Kevvie-poo/saul/dokter impersonator is drucking funk.
Poor little Kevvie-poo, it’s going to suck mowing mom’s lawn with a hangover.
WHITE POWER! WHITE POWER! WHITE POWER!!!
WHITE POWDER! WHITE POWDER! WHITE POWDER!!!
MAN CHOWDER! MAN CHOWDER! MAN CHOWDER!!!
BEN BROWDER! BEN BROWDER! BEN BROWDER!!!
OK, now this thread is looking up.
No, you won’t , Saul.
This is your milieu: one hundred percent virtual. I just don’t see you doing any actual snout-popping.
Now, since no one with any sense or taste would bother, … go fuck yourself.
Just for your information, the fact is, Garry Poopart is not sockpuppeting the faux-nazi fake Herr Doctor.
Gary Poopart has a sense of humour and would sooner sackpupett ugly-ass Cretaceous bottom-feeder-fish than Goering.
… it’s going to suck mowing mom’s lawn with a hangover.
It’s hard enough when he does it with a lawnmower.
Hee hee, I wondered if I could provoke trolly-poo into imitating me.
Looks like it worked.
So, with that, I’m off to bed, and any further postings from me are fake – though they’ll be obvious and probably misspelled anyway.
i hate america! pol pot for president! i am rabaiic and can bench press 360 lbs.
OMG…I found and posted “The Idiot Stone” on the web for nothing? Here, I even give directions. Go. Go worship at the the sacred anti-evolution Idiot Stone:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Syk_GNOqbxk
Actually, I posted that at the request of a commenter here…you still around? Did you get the directions? Otherwise, anyone else in Tampa.
Saul, sola Scriptura cac est. Literal “Word of God” my pompous ass. But if that’s the case, did you throw the Earth a big, giant birthday party on Oct. 23rd for its six thousand-whatever-year birthday? I just ask because I can’t tell if that’s a party hat or a dunce cap you’re wearing over there in the corner. And on the other hand, stay out of Tampa. Go find another idiot stone.
Off to watch the O’Reilly Factor followed by Hannity& Homo and then off to bed. Talk to you libs tommarrow.
Shalom gentlemen.
Hannity & Homo. LOL. Who says trolls can’t be amusing?
(Perhaps I’m just easily amused right now)
To further clarify, Gary Pooptart didn’t even read the fucking thread before being the first to say “pooptart”.
The fact is, Gary Pooptart is horrified to finally read the thread and further horrified to learn that he may have horrifyingly furthered the bad sockpuppetry by calling himself “Herr Doktor Rubert”.
Gary Pooptart apologizes if anyone is offended.
WICK FOWLER! WICK FOWLER! WICK FOWLER!!!
BAD SCHNAUZER! BAD SCHNAUZER! BAD SCHNAUZER!!!
marc page said,
November 3, 2007 at 7:13
Niggers suck!
marc page said,
November 3, 2007 at 7:17
I love Dick Cheney! Especially the afore mentioned dick!
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Speaking for Mr. Marc Page (as I am empowered to do) Mr. Marc Page asserts that he did not make the two comments copied above.
(Personally, I suspect Beth did it.)
Mikey, America’s industrial might is dying, but its carcass still pollutes the Rustbelt. Everything between Gary and Akron smells like burning tires, and everything you eat in Cincinnati tends to taste like very old bongwater smells. Also, the level of cronyism and corruption in Ohio’s Republican party has been a byword since… well, at least since President Taft, whose direct descendant did so much to eke out Bush’s 2004 “re-election”. (Despite their flamboyant personal lives, Repub corruption is bland and flavorless, lacking even the modest sop of giving good entertainment value.)
Ohio’s most famous native sons are the Wright Brothers and Neil Armstrong, who got the heck out of Ohio as soon as they possibly could, and eventually built whole careers out of going farther and faster than had previously been thought possible. According to Michigan and Indiana, this is no coincidence.
I do not understand American liberals and how much they hate America. Only a few years after Bill Clinton attacked our country on 9/11/2001, his wife is running for President, even after President God Hero Awesome Bush Jr. attacked Clinton’s camps in Afghanistan and Bill Clinton’s forces in Iraq.
Make no mistake: Bill Clinton seeks to establish a worldwide caliphate, and only brave God Hero President Awesome Guy Bush Jr. can stop him.
That’s because The Entity Behind Saul is a leftie. It breaks down the issues into the same components as the progressive left, then takes the diametrically-opposed position. In fact, each faux-contested issue earlier in this thread (before its brain-spasm and subsequent decline in rhetorical coherence) was framed in such a way as to offer the opportunity for one of you/us to eviscerate it on the basis of facts alone. TEBS is looking for strong reactions, but unlike a troll (eg, Kevin) I don’t think it’s trying to win. (It’s certainly not seriously expecting to convert minds here.)
Or as they would say on The Match Game,
“Saul came to Sadly, No! to get attention, but all he got was BLANK.”
ps: Fred, your script rocks! Thanx!
Anne Laurie said: “There is a Michigander adage that anyone living in Ohio after their eighteenth birthday is either lazy or a lunatic, and if she’s keeping up 11 blogs, Norma ain’t lazy.”
Uh-oh. Am I lazy or a lunatic? Lazy, I guess, since I thought it was easier to be close to aging parents than to try to handle matters long-distance. And I admit to fondness for my birthplace. I live the gentle hills and valleys and rivers that make up the Miami Valley.
I’m fascinated to hear that Anne Laurie is a librarian at OSU. I tried to snag a librarian job at many places in 1974-75. I had an MLS. Those were not good years for librarians. My father financed a six week business course that got better results in the job market than an MLS. I ended up settling for a clerical job in a mortgage company. Since then, I’ve gone more in the technical direction than otherwise. After more courses, I’m called a Software Engineer. I still think I would have been a good librarian.
I blame President Carter.
This is ridiculous. Everyone knows the fault Iraq debacle lays squarely on the head of President Garfield. Fucker.
Leave the giraffe out of it.
Herr Doktor Bimler said,
This is the usual Herr Doktor Bimler, home from the pub and logging on for the first time in several hours. The S,N proprietors can confirm that any previous comments aren’t from me.
Doktor, no one here in there right mind would think otherwise.
Thanks.
First they name-spoofed Ann Althouse and I did not speak out…
Then they name-spoofed Kevin and I did not speak out…
Then they got around to me, but I was on my third pint of Tuatara IPA at the time, so the only topics I was speaking out about were apostrophe misuse and modern interpretative dance.
Herr Doktor Bimler said,
November 3, 2007 at 10:35
Thanks.
First they name-spoofed Ann Althouse and I did not speak out…
Then they name-spoofed Kevin and I did not speak out…
Then they got around to me, …
Crybaby. They’ve been spoofing me for years.
Bad Salzuflen! Bad Salzuflen!
Where’s everybody gone?
Has anybody else noticed that Captain Fuckfa…., er, Saul doesn’t even bother trying to claim he’s a Rabbi anymore?
By the evidence, he’s also discovered that it’s easy to post using anybody’s name on this blog… The fact is, it’s too easy. We should all be given passwords. Encrypted passwords. Encrypted passwords protected by bees. And angry dogs. And angry dogs that shoot bees from their mouths.
Just like that gun from Half Life. THat was the best gun. Never run outa ammo.
So, did the Venture Brothers really kill off the Venture twins?
I don’t know, but the East Coast Dust Brothers are often confused with the West Coast Dust Brothers, if that helps any.
saul said, November 3, 2007 at 5:05
The sixth commandment: Thou shall not murder.
Leviticus 18:22 “Do not lie with mankind as one lies with womankind, that is an abomination”.
Did I miss anything Kathy?
You missed the part where some religiously insane kimchee from the big book of christian (not capitalized on purpose) fairy tales has any sort of meaning or connection to reality.
You also missed the part where you need to provide, um, facts and logic to support your Republican’t propaganda points, in order for them to be considered as anything but attention troll Gannoning. Take yer superstitious nonsense back to the church where it belongs. I’d pop ya in teh snout if you dared to do it to my face. If you were old enough to understand the crap you’re spewing… maybe when you get out of kindergarten.
Plus: by the librarian logic (cough) the lawd gawd all mightery must be directly responsible for that christian (again, not capitalized on purpose! Why does spell checker insist that it’s spelled incorrectly? Ack – there’s religious insanity everywhere!!!!1!1!eleven!!!) who got found with a dildo up his butt and two wetsuits on. And that Haggard guy, too!
Saul said this: “2. The U.S. Constitution and the rights described there in are for American citizens only!”
This is just factually wrong. Not surprising coming from saul, but I’m a little surprised no one called him on this bullshit before.
The fact is, if there are only 10 pro-Bush books in the Upper Arlington Public Library’s collection or 82 books about Bush, this is biased, imbalanced, and shows the left tilt of the library and the publishing industry.
sorry, zsa, you were saying that saul doesn’t like pie?
By the evidence, he’s also discovered that it’s easy to post using anybody’s name on this blog… The fact is, it’s too easy. We should all be given passwords. Encrypted passwords. Encrypted passwords protected by bees. And angry dogs. And angry dogs that shoot bees from their mouths.
This made me to LOL, ancient fish.
This made me to LOL
Me too, which is why I lifted it from the Simpsons.
I see I’ve missed an outbreak of something-or-other.
The spores are dangerous for a long time afterwards, Bubba. Don’t think that you have dodged the bullet for one minute.
BTW people, it’s Voting Time!
DUmmie FUnnies is to funny as Dick Cheney is to human rights.
saul
Abortion just sends children to God faster…
Guys, I know it’s late to be adding to the thread, but if you’re looking for the Hillary version of Clenis, it’s gotta be “the Clintoris.”
There is a book I want you liberals to read. “Conservative Comebacks to Liberal Lies” by Gregg Jackson. It goes from A is for abortion to z is for zealot terrorists. 26 chapters issue by issue and stating all the most common liberal lies and refuting them one at a time.
No thanks, Saul, I don’t need my opinions spoon-fed to me in short, easy-to-digest chapters. Any asshole can regurgitate lame, outdated GOP talking points. Try to be a little more creative.
DUmmie FUnnies is to funny as Dick Cheney is to human rights.
DUFU is to funny as PamAtlas is to…
DUFU is to funny as Michelle Malkin is to…
DUFU is to funny as Jonah Goldberg is to…
?
Oh, and Hugo Chavez is now the President of Peru.
DUFU is to funny as PamAtlas is to…
DUFU is to funny as Michelle Malkin is to…
DUFU is to funny as Jonah Goldberg is to…
Sanity
Honesty
Literacy
Snorghagen, I think I love you. I’d forgotten the joy that is a killfile.
ITTDGY FTW, methinks.
Ah, Mr. Clinton…..the best handshake I ever had! The man is amazing, he grasps your hand with both of his and looks you right in the eye as if there is no one else in the room. I’ve never shook hands with Hillary, though.
Thanks for the Eurythmics nod, although it’s going to take me some time to distance that lovely song from the crazy you linked to.
If Clinton was doing what he was elected to instead of getting blowjobs from the whore Monica
Here’s a secret: Blowjobs don’t make you less productive. In fact, they can send you off to work with a smile on your face and a spring in your step.
Don’t ask me how I know, you’re just gonna have to trust me on this.
They did at the end of the first season, but Rusty just cloned another pair. Don’t remember what happened at the end of the second.
I am now about 99% convinced that Saul is a spoof.
Norman Mineta? Norman f’ing Mineta? Congressman, Secretary of Commerce under Clinton and Secretary of Transportation under Bush? You’re blaming him for not getting bin Laden? You could, I suppose, say he didn’t do enough on 9/11 (which would reflect on his boss, GWB), but not getting bin Laden? You’re either a spoof or downright insane.
Hmmm. I’m beginning to get the impression that FTW no longer means Fuck The World.
Goddammit, get off my lawn!
mikey
There is a book I want you liberals to read. “Conservative Comebacks to Liberal Lies” by Gregg Jackson.
You want us to read it? What, and do all your work for you?
Aren’t you supposed to read it so you can use those snappy comebacks on our liberal lies?
Yeah, this is weird. Dipshit would like us to indoctrinate ourselves for him. If we have trouble accepting the alphabetized talking points, should we waterboard ourselves? Lock ourselves in solitary for thirty days?
To say the littlest cretin is an idiot is a grave disservice to the idiot population…
mikey
“FTW no longer means Fuck The World.”
I only know this because I (oh the shame, the shame) play World of Warcraft. It can mean “Fuck the World” or “For the Win” depending on the context. Sometimes, it’s a pleasant frisson that means both at once.
Free the Whales!
“DUmmie FUnnies”? Neverfuckinhearduvit!
I don’t know what’s wrong with me that when I hear of something called “DUmmie FUnnies LOL!!1!” I need to check to see if it sucks.
Fondle the Wookies.
You know, because conservatives have distrorted the meaning of every useful word and turned everything into a kind of code of chaos and confusion, it’s really hard to tell what they are talking about much of the time. The first thing I do when I am having a (generally fruitless) discussion with a conservative is this: establish a few definitions. If they use the phrase “liberal media,” it turns into a discussion of what that means. I ask for examples. It’s amazing how often conservatvies think that merely saying the name of a news organization is proof of its liberal bias. It’s also amazing how often they say the same news organizations: CNN, New York Times, CBS. Then I ask “What did you see on CNN that makes you think it has a liberal bias?” Sometimes I get really lame examples, but frequently, I get nothing. They don’t watch CNN and have never watched CNN and only know of its liberal bias from frequent repetition from their zombie master.
So what to make of a phrase like “clear understanding of history”? I think “clear understanding” is a euphemism for “blame everything on the Democrats and the liberals” even when it makes no sense. If Jimmy Carter started the policy of arming extremists in Afghanistan to fight the Soviet Union and Reagan continued the policy, then Carter gets blamed for the rise of the Taliban and Al Qaeda, but Reagan gets credit for bringing down the Soviet Union. FDR made the Depression last longer and he manipulated the nice, peace-loving Japanese into aggressive expansion in the Pacific and forced them to attack Pearl Harbor because … I forgot the point behind this little narrative, but it is pretty silly. Thank God for Republicans like Ike and John Wayne and Ronald Reagan to get us out of the war!
So “clear understanding” doesn’t mean an interpretation of history based on study and experience and scholarship and honesty and decency. It means an interpretation based on half-truths, lies, logical fallacies, rationalizations, childish propaganda. (Lots of straw man arguments. I flip through conservative histories at the bookstore just to keep abreast of the insanity. The Patriot’s History of the United States, The Politically Inorrect Guide to American History (where Politically is a euphemism for Factually), Thirty-three Questions You’re Not Allowed to Ask About American History (Which should be titled 33 Questions You Are Allowed to Ask but Don’t Get Upset if You Don’t Get Tenure.) If this is where conservatives are getting their information, no wonder they are so stupid.)
This is why conservatives can’t govern. Their beliefs are based on delusions. And when they fail, they have to blame someone, usually the people who have the best chance of fixing the mess made by conservatives.
Forsooth! Two-hundred-plus Word-groupings!
Me too!
Small world, huh?
Hoosier X – nicely put, and the principle of willful dumbness you describe goes a long way toward explaining the conservatives’ bile / foam / vitriol approach to discussing education at any level.
Oh yes, it’s really me. Not some troll who thinks we find it offensive to be called “homos” just because they can’t think [outside the teeny box constructed for them by their idols].
Dipshit would like us to indoctrinate ourselves for him.
And he wants us to do it by reading an entire book, like he’d ever do that. The hypocrite.
OK I meant that as snark but now that I think of it, I’d lay good money he hasn’t actually read said book, which is surely the political equivalent of 1000 Meaningless Anecdotes You Can Read on the Toilet or whatever.
I already read A LOT of conservative nonsense (I work as a copy editor at a newspaper that runs O’Reilly, Coulter, Cal Thomas, Jonah Goldberg, Larry Elder, Thomas Sowell, William Rusher, Thomas Friedman, Kathleen Parker, Diane West and others. And Maureen Dowd is the token “liberal” so they can claim balance.) I love the way conservatives will challenge you with yet another book that you must read or you are afraid to face opinions you disagree with. I read “The Way Things Are.” I read one of Hannity’s books. I read three or four of Nixon’s books. I read the Reagan book my Mom gave me.
I do get the other side. As does every liberal I know! I just don’t find it very convincing. And I also have developed grave doubts about the sincerity and open-mindedness of people who: proudly call themselves “dittoheads”; scream treason at everyone who disagree with them; act like George W. Bush is some visionary on the same level as Lincoln; have nothing but rationalizations, lies and logical fallacies in their arguments; talk at length about things they know nothing about; and presume to speak for God.
Blech. I used to wonder why the trolls kept coming back with the same nonsensical blather. Can’t they see how useless and tired their garbage is?
But the truth is, it’s all thay have. If they had any sensible, honest, decent arguments or ideas, they would have started using them by now.
Shalom gentlemen.
I just finished reading down the thread and I came across a comment from my well intentioned liberal friend JK47 about me using “Conservative Comebacks to Liberal Lies” to strike down your liberal falliaces. And you know what he’s right lets begin shall we!
Let us begin with the ever controverial issue of abortion.
Liberal Lie #6: “It is uncertain when human life begins. Therfore it’s a religious question, not a scientific one”.
Response: “It is an undisputed fact that human life begins at conception”.
Directly from the book Conservative Comebacks to Liberal Lies by Gregg Jackson”.
“While there are a variety of religious and philosophic beliefs and theories pertaining to when life begins, scientifically life begins at conception – at the union of the father’s sperm and the mother’s ovum, a process called fertilization or “fecundation.”
From the very moment of conception, the fetus contains all the genetic information that baby will have for the remainder of his or her lifetime. Any embryology book in any medical school will confirm that this new unique, human creation is a defined sex and is alive, complete and growing.
At the very moment of conception, this creation is completely human in every one of his or her characteristics, totally unique from any other living organism. The newly developed baby has the same forty-six human chromosomes he or she will have until death. Fetuses are living Homo sapiens who contain seperate and unique chromosomal structures from their mothers.
That means they deserve all the same “rights” to life that other individuals enjoy. Even if someone has doubts, there are enough reasonable biological facts to give an unborn baby the benefit of the doubt. If you’re not sure if someone’s dead or alive, you don’t bury them, right?
Dr. Bernard Nathanson, a former abortionist who was personally responsible for 75,000 abortions and co-founded the pro-abortion National Association for the Repeal of Abortion Laws ( NARAL), had a change of heart, rejecting abortion on scientific grounds. Writing in the “New England Journal of Medicine”, Dr. Nathanson admitted that he has come to know life begins at conception.
“There is no longer serious doubt in my mind,” he wrote, “that human life exists from the very onset of pregnancy.”
The sacred protection of life should be the final word on this topic. The United States Declaration of Independence affirms that the first and most sacred right is the right to life: “We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness”.
No human being should be discriminated against based on his or her stage of development, place of residence ( inside the womb) or arbitrary notion of “when life begins”.
That was taken directly from the book “Conservative Comebacks to Liberal Lies” by Gregg Jackson. And thanks to a request from my good liberal friend JK47, I will now be posting excerpts from the book all throughout the day.
I sure do miss Kevin.
Did someone here say that on this thread?
saul, to make this a little more interesting for us, do you think could restrict your self-righteous posturing to statements made on this thread? Because, otherwise, you’re setting yourself up for accusations that you are making straw man arguments.
I don’t think anyone here is really interested in refutations to statements made by hypothetical liberals.
Hell Yeah! James Burke and Connections kicks ass. The first episode is now especially freaky, what with him standing on the top of the WTC and talking about flight 911.
I have yet to read all 207 posts but does anyone think it odd that beth (who shall not capitalized) has 11 blogs and this nutcase, Norma, also has 11 blogs? AND her email addy is nbruce32@prontomail.com? Huh? Coincidence? I think not.
Bruce, is that you? I miss Bruce.
“It is uncertain when human life begins. Therfore it’s a religious question, not a scientific one”.
Life doesn’t begin, it continues. The question is “Does a ball of cells have constitutional rights”?
I hate American and want the terrorists to win!
Very well Hoosier X, I remember someone on this thread make a comment of some kind about our Founding Fathers being anti-religion. So let us turn to chapter 25 “Y is for Yankee Doodle Founding Fathers”.
Liberal Lie #4: “The Founders didn’t intend the Constitution to be a religious document founded on Judeo-Christian principles.”
Response: “In fact, the Bible was the primary source behind the writing of the U.S. Constitution.”
“Thirty-four percent of all citations came from the Bible, which represented the most often quoted source.
Sixty percent of all the quotes came from the men who used the Bible to form their conclusion.
Ninety-four percent of all the quotes used by the Founding Fathers came from the Bible.
For example, Isaiah 33:22 reads, “For the Lord is our judge, the Lord is our lawgiver and the Lord is our king”. This passage was the basis for the three major branches of our government: judicial, legislative and executive.
The Founders knew that since man is corrupt by nature that the government must be set up with these three divisions of “checks and balances” to avoid the tyranny which could result from consolidating power in a single authority ( such as a king in a monarchy).
“God grant that in America true religion and civil liberty may be inseperable and that unjust attempts to destroy the one may in the issue tend to the support and establishment of both,” wrote John Witherspoon, a signer of the Decleration, president of Princeton University and a huge advocate for religious feedom.
Witherspoon’s comments are a mirror of how the Founding Fathers planned for religion to be an integral part of our society as well as a basis for our government and laws.”
Boom! The first atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima!
Boom! The second atomic bomb was just dropped on Nagasaki!
FTW: Forever, the Wusical.
I remember someone on this thread make a comment of some kind about our Founding Fathers being anti-religion.
No, saul, you obtuse maroon. The actual comment was Only a fucking retard could consider the overall attitudes of our Founding Fathers as anything other than “Whoa! Those religious people are fucking nuts if they get The Power!” (John O at 4:21). No claim that the FFs were against religion, saul. Only that they were against governments being controlled by religious nuts. Quite a difference. Surely even you must see that. Or, y’know, not.
Directly from the book Conservative Comebacks to Liberal Lies by Gregg Jackson
This authoritative source of yours. I do not think it means what you think it means.
The fact is, our nation was founded on Judeo-Christian principles and the Founding Fathers were very religious men, who you liberal would consider to be “Religious Right”, if they were alive today. Our first President George Washington issued a National Day of Prayer and so did John Adams and Thomas Jefferson. In fact the very first act of the U.S. Congerss was to authorize the printing of several thousand Bibles in Native American languages to evangelize the Indians. The U.S. Congress from its very first day opened with a prayer. The building of the House of Representives was even used as a church building by our government officals in the time of President Washington. So yes our Founding Fathers were the “Religious Nuts” you liberals so callously refer to.
“someone on this thread make a comment of some kind about our Founding Fathers being anti-religion.”
They weren’t, they were anti organized religion having access to the power of the state. What you do here is what is called making a strawman argument. Or in other words, you misrepresent what someone else believes in order to make your argument simple. It is a form of dishonesty and is basically lying and lying is a sin.
The founders weren’t exactly Christian either, many were deists. Simply counting quotes doesn’t prove your point because they understood the Bible and religion differently than you or I do today. Even conservatives of the time like Wilberforce had very different ideas about the place of religion than we do today.
Your quotes do not prove what you believe they prove. Your masturbatory fantasy of having “dropped the bomb” on us poor liberals is a bust.
Up next – evolution and global warming. I predict some serious p0wnage.
And by the way George Washington also worked part time as an Episcopalian Minister. But I bet you didn’t know that anyway.
“The fact is, our nation was founded on Judeo-Christian principles and the Founding Fathers were very religious men, who you liberal would consider to be “Religious Right”, if they were alive today.”
Not true saul. The picture you draw is tiresome and simplistic. You are just cherry picking quotes in order to back up your argument. That isn’t the honest way to argue. Why are you so dishonest saul?
Did somebody have nothing to argue against except yet another straw man argument?
Poor baby! Run away home to Gregg Jackson and have him kiss your boo-boo.
Like I said, please provide arguments to something that was actually said by someone here. I am probably not alone in my weariness at the constant barrage of straw man arguments that seem to be the main (and perhaps only) weapon in the conservative arsenal.
It may seem unfair, since Gregg Jackson doesn’t seem to be tackling anything that very many people actually say. But it’s tough love. It’s the only way conservatism can grow as an ideology … and become liberalism.
At least be amusing by providing some bogus James Madison and George Washington quotes.
“I am probably not alone in my weariness at the constant barrage of straw man arguments that seem to be the main (and perhaps only) weapon in the conservative arsenal.”
No, you are not. In saul’s case I think what we have is a projection of inner demons onto others. He read something that triggered his deepest fears and then, surprise! surprise!, he sees it everywhere he looks. Oddly enough, I think it is what holds saul and others like him together. Without these phantoms his psyche would just collapse into hysteria and madness.
I believe saul was sent here by DUFU to make Sadly, No! less funny.
Don’t fall into the Gap, people! Saul likes pie.
That is all.
Attention, honest, sane, rational denizens of Sadly, No. Many of us have placed saul’s mindless idiocy and banal statements of dubious accuracy behind a wall comprised of a flaky crust and a sweet, delicious filling. The efficacy of this solution is negatively affected if you fine people insist upon quoting his most stupid and irritating statements.
Now, I’m not sure what to do about this, but at least on behalf of myself and the other pie-eaters, I thought it was worth mentioning. Perhaps some of you who feel it might be constructive to engage with the intentionally non-capitalized saul might schedule an appointment with him and his friends at the bike racks after school.
Just a thought…
mikey
I remember someone on this thread make a comment of some kind about our Founding Fathers being anti-religion.
George Washington and Thomas Jefferson both grew pot and had long hair. Therefore, the Founding Fathers were all hippies and would have worn tie-dye if it had been invented. That means they were probably atheist abortionists. QED.
Then again, they owned slaves too, so they might have been more in line with the modern racist Right than I thought.
…oh. Sorry, mikey.
Ah yes, the whole lame “Our Founding Fathers were deists” argument. It shall now be struck down once and for all.
From chapter 25 “Y is for Yankee Doodle Founding Fathers” of the great book “Conservative Comebacks to Liberal Lies” by my hero Gregg Jackson.
Liberal Lie # 2: “America’s founders such as Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, George Washington and Benjamin Franklin were enlightenment humanists and deists, not evangelical christians.”
Response: ” The vast majority of the signers of the Decleration and Constitution were strong practicing Christians, not secular humanists.”
“Fifty Two of the 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence were Christians.
Deists are those who believe in God, but don’t define Him with sacred texts or organized religion. Ben Franklin was the only deist who signed the Constitution, but he was also a devout Christian who called for public prayer and tithed to all denominations.
Thomas Jefferson said, “I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrine of Jesus.” He referred to himself as a Christian and was probably a Unitarian, not a Deist.
Jefferson “believed in the creative, sovereign and superintending God of Scripture,” according to journalist M. Stanton Evans.
Jefferson did pen the first draft of the Declaration of Independence, but the document was not entirely reflective of his unique individual beliefs.
“Niether aiming at originality of principles or sentiment, nor yet copied from any particular or previous writing , it was intended to be an expression of the American mind”, he wrote.
Members of that first Congress made more than 80 changes to Jefferson’s original draft. and deleted nearly 500 words.
“No nation has ever existed or been governed without religion. Nor can it be”, said Jefferson when he was President. “The Christian religion is the best religion that has ever been given to man and I as Chief Magistrate of this nation am bound to give it the sanction of my example.”
In a ten year study analyzing 15,000 political writings of the founding era ( 1760-1805), 34 percent of direct source quotations were from the Bible – four times as many as philosophers Baron de Montesquieu and Sir William Blackstone, who were thought to be secularists. Yet Montesquieu and Blackstone were both strong Christians.
Montesquieu wrote “The Spirit of the Laws” which stated that God was the primary source of all law. Blackstone wrote “Commentaries on the Laws of England” which served as the primary legal source for American lawyers in the early days of the Republic. He believed all law was derived from the God of the Bible.
“The doctrines thus delivered we call the revealed of divine law and they are to be found only in the Holy Scriptures,” Blackstone wrote. “Upon these two foundations, the law of nature and the law of biblical revelation, depend all human laws; that is to say, no human law should be suffered to contadict these”.
According to author and historian David Barton, the basis of the Declaration was John Locke’s book “Two Treatises of Civil Government, which quotes the Bible 1700 times.”
Some have claimed Locke was a Deist, but James Wilson, one of the original signers of the Declaration and one of the original Supreme Court Justices, rebutted the claim, saying Locke was “one of the most sincere and most amiable assertors of Christianity and true philosophy.”
George Washington was not a deist. He was a dedicated Christian who served as a vestryman in the Episcopal Church and who publicly promoted the Christian faith. Washington wrote a 74 page prayer book called the “Daily Sacrifice” in which he prays directly to his Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
John Marshall who served as Chief Justice of the Supreme Court from 1801 to 1835 said of Washington, “Without making ostentatious proffesions of religion, he was a sincere beliver in the Christian faith and a truly devout man”.
Washington himself said, ” True religion affords to government its surest support”.
Alexander Hamilton, who was one of the three authors of the Federalist Papers which provided a defense of the principles of the Constitution was not a Diest. He was a devout Christian. With the aid of Reverand James Bayard, Hamilton formed the Christian Constitutional Society whose goals were “The support of the Christian religion” and ”
Support for the United States”.
James Madison, the “Father of the Constituton” and Forth President of the United States, who spoke 161 times at the Constitutional Convention, was not a Diest. He was a devout Christian. Madison stated, “Religion is the basis and foundation of Government.”
John Jay, the third author of the Federalist Papers and first Supreme Court Chief Justice was not a secular Deist. He, too was a commited Christian.
He said on October 12, 1816, “Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers and it is their duty, as well as the privledge and great intrest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.”
John Adams was not a secular deist. He was a strong Christian and said, “We have no government armed with the power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other.”
Boom! Third atomic bomb dropped, this time on Mecca!
Did Gregg Jackson ever test any of his refutations in real-life situations? Like, on real-life “liberals”? Cause it looks like it was tested only in the echo chamber on people like saul, who said, yah, great, I’m convinced, that’ll show those liberals!
If I want to listen to conservababble, I can just call my Mom. And she’s at least highly entertaining when she goes off on Dakota Fanning.
Ok smart guy lefty, I want to know just if and how you can refute those quotes from the Founding Fathers and the men who influenced them? I’m all ears my liberal friend.
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saul said,
November 4, 2007 at 0:28
I lick my ass
Saul’s so right. A chapter from a wingnut welfare book with cherry-picked quotes. I am impressed.
Attention, honest, sane, rational denizens of Sadly, No. Many of us have placed saul’s mindless idiocy and banal statements of dubious accuracy behind a wall comprised of a flaky crust and a sweet, delicious filling.
I’m gonna flatter myself that I’m included in that description. Here’s the problem: Some of the websites where I hang out (but not SN) crash Firefox, so I end up using Opera, which is a sane alternative to IE when Fox isn’t available. I haven’t been able to get the pie script to work in Opera, though, so I’m stuck with the non-pastry version of saul, gary, kevin, fakegary, and that new bastion asshole. Anybody have any advice on how I too can muffle the tweaky screeches with layers of baked deliciousness?
Anybody have any advice on how I too can muffle the tweaky screeches with layers of baked deliciousness?
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Read Sadly, No with FireFox and the sites that crash FireFox with Opera?
saul, I decided not to discuss anything with you until you admit that this:
is a straw man argument of the type conservatives are well-known for. At this point, I very much doubt your capacity for honesty. Please admit you were wrong and promise that you will try very hard to be intellectually honest from now on.
Otherwise, I am inclined to think that any discussion with you is futile because of your obvious bias and your apparent dishonesty.
You liberals will find out sooner or later that i’m right. By the way I decided to capitalize my name, I only just realized it wasn’t. So this is the real Rabbi Saul not a fake my lefty friends.
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Saul said,
November 4, 2007 at 0:48
I lick my ass
Fot The Wuck?
Actually it was Smiling Mortitian who said something to the effect of ” Anyone who thinks the Founding Fathers thought anything about religion other than, these religious people are f**king wacked needs to have their heads examined”. So yes Smiling Mortitian did in his “Words without Knowledge” claim our Founding Fathers were anti-religion.
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Saul said,
November 4, 2007 at 1:00
I lick my ass
Now, I’m not sure what to do about this…
Those with non-greasemonkey-compatible browsers may perhaps be forgiven if, after unfiltered exposure to the full caustic glare of rabid wingnut lunacy, they lose composure and actually respond with facts and reason.
How about a new script that turns such responders into apple strudel or baked alaska?
It’s the anti-troll arms race!
You liberals just hate religion and everything else that doesn’t fit your secular humanist, athiest, homo loving, pot smoking agenda!
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Bastian Booger said,
November 4, 2007 at 1:09
I lick Saul’s ass
Christianity is what made America the great nation and the force for good in the world as it is today.
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Bastian Booger said,
November 4, 2007 at 1:12
I lick Saul’s ass with some fava beans and a nice chianti.
ok, sorry mikey. I don’t know how to get the greesemonkey script to work. I have it properly installed but there is no obvious way to make it insert “I like pie” into saul’s or any other trolls’ posts. Could someone please explain it to me? Do I have to directly edit the script?
Romans 10:9 “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God has raised Him from the dead thou shalt be saved.”
You have to edit the script.
Right click on the little monkey face in the lower right corner.
Choose “manage user script”
Highlight ‘anti-troll for sadly no” and click the edit button.
Modify this line “GM_setValue(‘trolls’, ‘missannieangel.blogspot.com,Shoelimpy,saul,Saul’);” to add the desired names.
You liberals shall never silence us.
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Bastian Booger said,
November 4, 2007 at 1:20
Saul’s ass is getting kinda soggy
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Saul said,
November 4, 2007 at 1:24
I lick my ass
Took you morons long enough…
noen,
The pie script is pre-written. If you want saul to lick his own ass or declare his love for nickelback you can do that by going to Tools/Greasemonkey/Manage user scripts and from there it’ll be obvious. That’s also where you enable it so make sure that box is checked if it’s not working at all.
HAHA keep on screaming!
WACK WACK WACK!!
Smart and successful, sure I can go with that.
Ok I’m expecting Ed Norton to drop in any time now…
Oh shit, John Cusack haha
Personally, I blame it all on the Big Bang.
It works, thanks!
Yummmmy, I like pie.
They are certainly trying to do that.
The trick her is “how do you stop a 5 year old from continuing the temper tantrum in the middle of the Store when you can’t remove them or swat them on the ass’?
Ignoring them doesn’t seem to work so I though I might try screaming back at them until they get bored.
What can I say ‘lazy Saturday evening’
Read Sadly, No with FireFox and the sites that crash FireFox with Opera?
If only it were that simple, owlbear. Sadly, many of the sites linked here are the very sites that crash my browser. Skipping linkies means half the fun.
Sorry to hear that Smiling Mortician. I’ve not encountered any problems with links from here crashing my FireFox install. The only other thing I can think of is to close your eyes?
There’s also Safari to try out.
Actually it was Smiling Mortitian who said something to the effect of ” Anyone who thinks the Founding Fathers thought anything about religion other than, these religious people are f**king wacked needs to have their heads examined”. So yes Smiling Mortitian did in his “Words without Knowledge” claim our Founding Fathers were anti-religion.
Why oh why does Firefox hate me? It’s not that I want to read this mendacious, obtuse bullshit and respond to it.
No, I would gladly pay airfare and buy copious bottles of excellent liquor for any SadlyNaut who’d like to come to my house and figure out why I can’t a) install the greasemonkey script in a way that allows modification and b) use Firefox without it crashing every time I click a link. Seriously. I’m also a good cook. Takers?
The only other thing I can think of is to close your eyes?
and think of England?
Haven’t used safari, RB. Can I use the greasemonkey script with it?
Sorry to thread-hog. I’ll stop now.
and think of England?
HAHAHA
saul, thank you so much for showing so clearly just how dishonest you (and all conservatives) are, how dishonest you (and all conservatives) have to be.
I’m always hoping for an honest moment, just one, from any conservative.
It never happens.
Confess and repent, brother. Please join us in helping to clean up the mess you, in your arrogance and your ignorance, have made of the world.
Haven’t used safari, RB. Can I use the greasemonkey script with it?
Not likely, but there are ways to use a script like a bookmark.
What on earth crashes your Firefox?
Smiling Mortician:
According to documentation, Opera will run (some) Greasemonkey scripts. I don’t know the details, but you’ll be able to learn more at opera.com.
What on earth crashes your Firefox?
On the off chance you swing by here again after lo these many hours, RB: Crooks and Liars. Every damn time. Along with a few others. No idea why but it pisses me off.
I’ll be damned. I use Firefox on two OSs and Crooks and Liars works on both. Are you fully updated?
Are you using any ad-blocking? I use stuff like that religiously; maybe there’s something I’m blocking that makes your stuff crash.
Saul–you are aware that the version of modern American “Christian” fundamentalism has its roots pretty much in the mid-late 1800s, rather after the Founders, and that most of the Reformers worshiped (oh yeah, worshiped) by evangelicals, mainly Luther, wouldn’t even recognize modern American fundamentalism as Christianity.
Of course, you may not be a completely loony evangelical. I’m just erring on the side of caution and statistic OT quoting going on.
Bubba–lots of stuff just won’t show up on my Firefox….I get this annoying grey box. Usually just as annoying as the sites I’m visiting, so I usually just give up and move on.