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Giuliani Fundraiser to Charge $9.11 Per Person

WASHINGTON — A supporter of Rudy Giuliani’s is throwing a party that aims to raise $9.11 per person for the Republican’s presidential campaign.

Abraham Sofaer is having a fundraiser at his Palo Alto, Calif., home on Wednesday, when Giuliani backers across the country are participating in the campaign’s national house party night.

But Sofaer said he had nothing to do with the “$9.11 for Rudy” theme.

“There are some young people who came up with it,” Sofaer said when reached by telephone Monday evening. He referred other questions to Giuliani’s campaign.

“I’m just providing support for him. He’s an old friend of mine,” Sofaer said of Giuliani.

Sofaer was a State Department adviser under President Reagan and is a fellow at Stanford University’s Hoover Institution

Giuliani’s campaign had no immediate comment.

According to the invitation, “$9.11 for Rudy” is an “independent, non-denominational grass-roots campaign to raise $10,000 in small increments to show how many individual, everyday Americans support `America’s Mayor.'”

[Hanx! Susan at Kiss My Big Blue Butt]

Update: A golden hit from yesteryear:

Abducting The Tragedy
Jimmy Breslin
February 10, 2002

The Twin Towers Fund has enough money in it, tens of millions of donations that were decently given and are being handled with motives so miserable as to cause suspicion, that it now becomes a mirror as big as a wall that shows the character of this Rudolph Giuliani.

This time, he imposes on widows.

The Twin Towers Fund is for the families of firefighters and cops. It has $70 million and suddenly in December it stopped sending any money to widows. Giuliani announced he wanted to transfer the money from a city-run nonprofit organization to a private organization, headed by I, Giuliani.

I am told that the new mayor, Michael Bloomberg, said, “You’re not going to embarrass me on this.”

And Giuliani answered, “Never!”

Of course he will. The first thing he does is put his girlfriend, Judi Nathan, on the payroll at $100,000 or so. She arrives with two friends. The cost of administrating the fund goes to $2 million a year. If the fund remains with the city, the cost of running it will be zero.


Giuliani wants this fund so much that he seems crazier than usual. He says he must control it because friends of his made donations and said that they trusted nobody but him. In the whole world. […]


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“Contribute to Rudy! Dial 911-911-911F! The ‘F’ is for ‘Forever’!”


It’s only “making political hay” if Democrats do it!!11!


He’s the Mayor of America! He has plenary douchebag-related powers! Nuke Columbia!


“It’s PLANE to see that Rudy’s campaign is EXPLODING! We’re BUILDING momentum, not COLLAPSING like the other candidates!”


Maybe he could relocate the Department of Homeland Security to downtown Baghdad.


Announcing Rudy’s campaign theme song: Nine-eleven Luftballons! This is it, boys, this is war/The President is on the line!


The good folks at 7-11 were willing to change some of their stores to Kwik-E-Marts to promote the Simpsons movie. Maybe they could be convinced to make the temporary change to 9-11s to further Rudy’s campaign?

The marketing possibilities here are just endless.


At campaign events he’s going to have a confetti drop that consists of little dolls falling head-first from the ceiling.


His campaign workers could adopt respirators as a uniform.


The marketing possibilities here are just endless.

Maybe the “some young people who came up with it” could convince 311 to change their name to 911 and play the new campaign theme song at the event.


What’s the 911, hun?
What’s the 911, hun?
Rudy got it goin on, hun
A yo, Rudy got it goin on, hun


The Rudy fundraiser following this one will be held at the Fresh Kills landfill.


Grateful to


For their next event they should do $10 for Giuliani in the name of each victim. Get some old school carnival barker to MC the thing. Fuck it.


A big piñata, R/C plane flies into it, money cascades out.


You know those fundraisers small towns and organizations do where they have the thermometer that fills up as money is raised? They could do one of those for Rudy, only instead of filling thermometers they’d be building the twin towers as the cash came in.


You think WTC Jenga at Rudi’s campaign events would be considered in poor taste?


HemlockEcho said,
You think WTC Jenga at Rudi’s campaign events would be considered in poor taste?

Not any worse than what’s already in the article, really.


$9.11 gets you a WTC Jenga piece with the name of one of the victims on it.

I feel nauseous.


only instead of filling thermometers they’d be building the twin towers as the cash came in.
Or you could do it in reverse and have the buildings fall down as the money comes in.


He could sell kisses for $9.11 to all the widows.


You think WTC Jenga at Rudi’s campaign events would be considered in poor taste?

Oh no, not at all. Then Giuliani gives his speech through a bullhorn.


I’ve got it! “I’m falling for Rudi” bumper stickers!


Maria Comella, a spokeswoman for the campaign, said that it was “unfortunate.”
“These are two volunteers who acted independently of and without the knowledge of the campaign,” she said in a statement. “Their decision to ask individuals for that amount was an unfortunate choice.”

“Obviously,” Comella continued, “they should have asked for $9119.11.”


“I’m falling for Rudi” bumper stickers!



A big piñata, R/C plane flies into it, money cascades out.

Brilliant! Add some confetti, a big band blaring “New York, New York” and a delighted-looking Giuliani and you got something.


I think they should demand contributions tied to other metrics, like how many times Rudy’s been married, or how many affairs he’s had, or maybe how many of his close personal staffers have been indicted or found to be mobbed up. Just make up a list, and for the next month or two he could have fundraising events every day, and each one could have a different contribution theme.


I can hear the ads already:

“Please, give generously. Your $9.11 can change everything!”


He definitely needs to arrive at all campaign events in one of these.


And when Rudy’s President, we can finally have a decent coin in our currency collection. It’ll be the $9.11 coin, and we’ll call it the “Rudy”. “Hey, got change for a Rudy?”, we’ll say to each other.

“Dad, can I have a Rudy to throw in the wishing well?” kids will ask their parents as they visit Teh Freedom Tower.

Suck it, Canada!


Maybe they could market little rhinestone tiaras. Or stuffed toy puppies that have viscera that open up with little staple-shaped velcro closures.


Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Nine Eleven?


Yeah, it’s only $9.11 at the door, but where they get you is the 911-drink minimum.

Up next–a craps fundraiser where 9 and 11 are the winning numbers. After that, Rudy’s planning a whistlestop tour to all the graves of the 9/11 victims–$9.11 per customer to have your photo taken with Teh Mayor sitting on the gravestone of your favorite victim!



Whew, good thing Rudy isn’t exploiting 9/11 for political purposes like those awful, uncivil, unserious liberals who took a shot at General Petreaus in the New York Times, which is right around the corner from Columbia University, a commie institution that loves to host terrorists so that they can kiss their assess ahead of the global caliphate!!!!



Imagine how much he could raise if he held a fundraiser with a 757 simulator. Pay a grand, you get to fly the plane into the buildings. Pay five grand, you get to shoot the one grand giving terrorist flying the plane with paintballs. Pay ten grand you can fly the F16 simulator and shoot down the 757.

He’d have ’em lined up around the corner…



And when Rudy’s President, we can finally have a decent coin in our currency collection. It’ll be the $9.11 coin, and we’ll call it the “Rudy”.

Until that time, Giuliani fundraisers will happily accept payment in these coins (via John Howard commenting at Shakesville).


[updated teh post]


Good thing Rudy isn’t enjoying 9-11 too much, unlike those 9-11 widows!


Good thing indeed!

Giuliani Attends 9/11 Event with Author Who Attacked 9/11 Widows
Posted by Kombiz Lavasany on September 11, 2007 at 04:20 PM

The NY Daily News reports that Rudy Giuliani is attending a 9/11 event tonight in New York City, with right-wing radio host Sean Hannity and provocateur Ann Coulter. As Greg Sargent over at TPM Café points out Coulter has a history of attacking the families of the 9/11 victims.

Last June she attacked the 9/11 families by saying,”Do I have to kill my mother so I can be a victim, too?”

She claimed that 9/11 families would not give up their “celebrity and notoriety” to “have their husbands back.”

In her book and on television, she’s attacked the widows of 9/11 families by saying, “I’ve never seen people enjoying their husbands’ deaths.”

As the NY Daily News points out this morning, Giuliani has decided to commemorate the anniversary of 9/11 with Ann Coulter tonight.


Jon Stewart really fucking hates Giuliani and his ‘9/11 Tourettes’. This is a good thing, especially if Mayor 9/11 gets the nomination.

I predict the WTC lowered from the ceiling at the convention, a la Spinal Tap’s ‘Stonehenge’, then knocked over by dwarfs wearing polystyrene jet wings.


Man, file that one under “shit you can’t make up”…

Also, you know, as a tax payer, I’d like to point out that it’s been like a week since you guys have made fun of Meghan McArdle… wtf?


How’s about a themed party on a movie set, where everyone dresses as a first responder of some kind, they all get those now haunting personal locator beeping thingies, and everyone wanders through a wasteland of destruction. There could even be a contest, where everyone is assigned a medical and/or psychiatric condition according to the trauma and exposure to hazardous substances their “character” “would have” experienced, and whoever guesses the most conditions right gets a prize.
Maybe a double headed strap on dildo that resembles the towers, as worn by Ann Coulter.


*sigh* Jimmy Breslin needs to un-retire. Also Tom Lehrer.


The camera turned him into a hero. The further from New York he got, the more adulation from the television announcers.

Jimmy Breslin is my hero. He called Rudy on his corruption and bullshit from the day he took office. When Jimmy goes, it will be the end of the NY Herald Tribune era (which included the late Dick Schapp).


What does it say about Rudith that I believed all of these fake fundraisers?


J-, that National Collector’s Mint item is an abomination.


MCH: It’s a pop-up! The kids will love it! Hopefully the next commemorative issue will be scratch ‘n sniff.


How about serving Manhattans with ash on the rim?

LA Confidential Pantload

What the hey. Make it $3.11 or perhaps $.88, giving a wink and a nod to The Base.


What the hey. Make it $3.11 or perhaps $.88, giving a wink and a nod to The Base.

They could say that Rudy’s platform could be summed up in 14 words as well.


Shorter Christopher Hitchens:

Al Gore needs to win the Nobel Peace Prize so we can finally go to war with Iran.


I still think The Onion had the best angle on this…

Giuliani To Run For President Of 9/11:

“My fellow citizens of 9/11, today I will make you a promise,” said Giuliani during his 18-minute announcement speech in front of a charred and torn American flag. “As president of 9/11, I will usher in a bold new 9/11 for all.”


Oh no, not at all. Then Giuliani gives his speech through a bullhorn.

From a balcony.

My Christ, he’s a fascist pig.


Shorter Christopher Hitchens:

Al Gore needs to win the Nobel Peace Prize so we can finally go to war with Iran.


I am occasionally asked why it is that so many Europeans display reflexive anti-Americanism, and I force myself to choose from a salad of possible answers.

Yeah, Hitchens + salad. I believe that. Whatever.

just as the laurels bestowed on Jimmy Carter were accompanied by explicit remarks from Scandinavia to the effect that this might put a spoke in Bush’s wheel.

Is this a real maxim? To “put a spoke in one’s wheel?” Don’t all wheels have spokes?

John Edwards is a good man who is in politics for good reasons, but there is something about his populism that doesn’t quite—what’s the word?—translate.

Translation: FAAGGZORTZ!!

Should he make up his mind not to run, he would retrospectively abolish all the credit he has acquired so far. It would mean in effect that he never had the stuff to do the job and that those who worked and voted for him were wasting their time. Given his age and his stature, can he really want that to be the conclusion that history draws?

Except, you know, he’s always maintained that he will not be running. I guess it would be different if Al Gore had said, “See my movie and I’ll run for president.” Should all Nobel Peace Prize winners be obligated to run for the Presidency?

All in all, “Al Gore needs to win the Nobel Peace Prize so we can finally go to war with Iran” seems like a pretty good shorter. I especially like all the “expolsive” and “jolt”-ing rhetoric towards the end. Boom, bang, ka-pow!

I’d vote for Gore is he ran. He and Edwards are the only Democrats that I can feel good voting for.


Welcome to Rudy-land, where all the clocks are stopped permanently at 9:11. Where pizzas don’t come cut into six or eight slices, but into the odd configuration of nine-elevenths.


Welcome to Rudy-land, where all the clocks are stopped permanently at 9:11. Where pizzas don’t come cut into six or eight slices, but into the odd configuration of nine-elevenths.

That’s because they donate the other two slices of every pie to the FDNY!!!!


Yeah, Hitchens + salad. I believe that. Whatever.



Based on the picture, Rudi would have made a better Joker than Nicholson.


That’s because they donate the other two slices of every pie to the FDNY!!!!

Actually, after Mr. Giuliani’s speaking fee, Mrs. Giuliani’s cut, and Giuliani and Giuliani’s security team fee, it only leaves 3/11ths of 1 slice for the FDNY.


Based on the picture, Rudi would have made a better Joker than Nicholson.

Agreed. Never have I seen anyone work harder to fake an expression of sincere, genuine joy and/or amusement.


I’d vote for Gore is he ran. He and Edwards are the only Democrats that I can feel good voting for.

I’m in total agreement. I guess if Hillary or Obama gets the nomination, I’ll once again hold my nose and vote for the lesser of two evils. The clothespin I keep on hand for voting is getting quite worn out, though.

Living in Iowa I’ve gotten to see the candidates close up. Obama comes across as slick and shallow as a used car salesman. Hillary is, well, Hillary, always looking out for the main chance. Edwards, on the other hand, seems as genuine as any politician I’ve ever encountered. I really think he’d make an excellent President, or a VP for President Gore. (I’d love to see Bill Richardson as Sec’y. of State under that administration.) Then after two Gore terms, Edwards could be Pres.

/fantasy island.


Based on the picture, Rudi would have made a better Joker than Nicholson.

OK, let’s make it tougher. Would Rudi make a better Joker than Pickles?


As Molly Ivins often said, You can laugh, you can cry, or you can throw up. Thanks to this thread, I’ve done all three. I suppose there are times when viciously dark humor is the only thing standing between us and suicide.


Hitchens is all over the map, as usual.


Hitchens is all over the map, as usual.

Wake the turd up and get him some coffee.


America has no mayor. America needs no mayor.


Ex-mayor for sale:
Nine dollars, eleven cents.
Cheapest whore in town.


Somewhere there’s a JulieAnnie picture (I misremember where) with him looking *EXACTLY* like the late, lamented Bat Boy.


Hell instead of Rudy I’d prefer the mayor of Des Moines for Preznit. He’s not a bad guy. Certainly better than Rudy. At least the fire department doesn’t have reason to hate his guts. Fire fighters and emergency responders are the real, genuine good guys of society. If they don’t like someone, it’s a good idea to listen up.

Teh Firefighters Hate Rudy and they want you to know it.


I believe Giuliani looks like Nosferatu, satisfying his unnatural lust for power by feasting on the blood of the people who died on Sept. 11, 2001.


Randomfactor: You are thinking perhaps of the late great Spy magazine’s “Separated at Birth?” feature? I always think of Spy when I see pix of Guiliani’s gigantic head. And of Donald “Short-Fingered Vulgarian” Trump.


I’d go to a posh Giuliani fundraiser just to see what they come up with for the ice sculpture centerpiece…


It seems the more one knows about Giuliani the less one likes him. Aside from the obvious tastelessness of his necrophilic campaign for president atop the corpses of 9/11 victims, there are other even more disgusting and heinous things about Giuliani that bear mentioning.

For one thing, Giuliani has not only used his phony 9/11 mystique to advance his political career, he has also made a ton of money off of the event. An article in the Washington Post called “In private sector Giuliani parlayed fame into wealth” describes this well, saying: “On Dec. 7, 2001, nearly three months after the terrorist attack that had made him a national hero and a little over three weeks before he would leave office, New York Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani took the first official step toward making himself rich. The letter he dispatched to the city Conflicts of Interest Board that day asked permission to begin forming a consulting firm with three members of his outgoing administration. The company, Giuliani said, would provide “management consulting service to governments and business” and would seek out partners for a “wide-range of possible business, management and financial services” projects. Over the next five years, Giuliani Partners earned more than $100 million, according to a knowledgeable source, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the firm’s financial information is private. And that success helped transform the Republican considered the front-runner for his party’s 2008 presidential nomination from a moderately well-off public servant into a globe-trotting consultant whose net worth is estimated to be in the tens of millions of dollars.”
An article in Time magazine, reprinted at the Giuliani Partners website, says: “After 9/11, anytime Americans encountered a really hard problem, someone would nominate Rudy Giuliani to solve it. There were calls for him to take over WorldCom, the SEC, the state, even the country. But by January 2002, Giuliani had already reinvented himself as a businessman. The experiment has been extremely lucrative. Giuliani Parnters, the consulting and investment firm that he started by transplanting key members of his administration into a dark wood paneled office on Times Square, is bringing in just over a $100 million a year in revenue, according to a source close to the company. That would mean the firm is collecting over $2 million per employee, which is phenomenal. (By comparison, Goldman Sachs, the Wall Street banking giant, takes in roughly $1.2 million per employee.).”
He has also gotten rich off the other, less-mentioned “terrorist” attack, the made-in-Fort Detrick anthrax scare. In an effort to make money off the anthrax cleanup, Giuliani Partners and Sabre Technical Svcs. teamed up to create a company called Bio-One which cleaned up the AMI building in Boca Raton: “Flanked by Rudolph W. Giuliani, Chairman and CEO of Giuliani Partners LLC, and John Y. Mason, President and CEO of Sabre Technical Services LLC, David Rustine, President of Crown Companies and the new owner of the American Media Inc. (AMI) building announced today that Bio·ONE™ has been selected to decontaminate and remediate the building –– site of the first recognized anthrax incident in 2001.”

Aside from getting rich off 9/11 and the anthrax attacks, Giuliani jeopardized the health of every rescue worker at Ground Zero and residents living nearby in helping make sure people were told only false estimates of the toxicity there. CNN has an article saying: “The city allowed people to return to Manhattan after the collapse of the World Trade Center towers even though officials were told the air was not yet safe, according to an internal memo from a New York City Health Department official.”
CBS has an article that provided more detail, saying: “CBS 2 News has obtained documents revealing that Lower Manhattan was reopened a few weeks following the attack even though the air was not safe. The two devastating memos, written by the U.S. and local governments, show they knew. They knew the toxic soup created at Ground Zero was a deadly health hazard. Yet they sent workers into the pit and people back into their homes. One of the memos, from the New York City health department, dated Oct. 6, 2001, noted: “The mayor’s office is under pressure from building owners … in the Red Zone to open more of the city.” The memo said the Department of Environmental Protection was “uncomfortable” with opening the areas but, “The mayor’s office was directing the Office of Emergency Management to open the target areas next week.” “Not only did they know it was unsafe, they didn’t heed the words of more experienced people that worked for the city and E.P.A.,” said Joel Kupferman, with the group Environmental Justice Project.”
EPA spokeswoman Christie Whitman said Giuliani blocked her efforts to warn the public, which Giuliani of course denies: “Former Environmental Protection Agency boss Christie Whitman says she urged Ground Zero workers to wear respirators, but then-Mayor Rudy Giuliani blocked her efforts. She also said city officials didn’t want EPA workers wearing haz-mat suits because they “didn’t want this image of a city falling apart.”

No wonder the people who are the GENUINE heroes of 9/11, the firemen, absolutely hate his guts. That and the fact that as soon as the gold and silver underneath Ground Zero was recovered he eviscerated the recovery-of-human-remains effort. Firefighting News says: “In November 2001, our members were continuing the painful, but necessary, task of searching Ground Zero for the remains of our fallen brothers and the thousands of innocent citizens that were killed, because precious few of those who died in the terrorist attacks had been recovered at that point… Nevertheless, Giuliani, with the full support of his Fire Commissioner Thomas Von Essen, decided on November 2, 2001, to sharply reduce the number of those who could search for remains at any one time… In conjunction with the cut in fire fighters allowed to search, Giuliani also made a conscious decision to institute a “scoop-and-dump” operation to expedite the clean-up of Ground Zero in lieu of the more time-consuming, but respectful, process of removing debris piece by piece in hope of uncovering more remains. Mayor Giuliani’s actions meant that fire fighters and citizens who perished would either remain buried at Ground Zero forever, with no closure for families, or be removed like garbage and deposited at the Fresh Kills Landfill. Our Local presidents at the time attempted to meet with the Mayor to stop this despicable treatment of those who perished, but he refused to even see them face-to-face. The scoop-and-dump continued… The fact is that the Mayor’s switch to a scoop-and-dump coincided with the final removal of tens of millions of dollars of gold, silver and other assets of the Bank of Nova Scotia that were buried beneath what was once the towers. Once the money was out, Giuliani sided with the developers that opposed a lengthy recovery effort, and ordered the scoop-and-dump operation so they could proceed with redevelopment.”
This timing is confirmed elsewhere, including a CNN article from 1 November 2001 which says: “The number of firefighters and cops sifting through the rubble will be reduced to 25 police officers and 25 firefighters by Friday, said Frank McCarton, a public information officer in the NYC Mayor’s Office of Emergency Management. The workers remaining on site will mainly consist of construction crews removing the debris. Firefighters will stay on the periphery of the recovery site and remove any human remains that are found, Giuliani’s press office told CNN. It will be a far cry from the estimated 2,500 workers who have been assisting in recovery operations at any given time since the September 11 terrorist attacks brought down the twin towers of the World Trade Center.”
The gold and silver were finished being recovered on 30 October 2001 according to the Mustang Daily: “Over $230 million in gold and silver was recovered from a delivery tunnel beneath 5 World Trade Center Wednesday. Canada’s Bank of Nova Scotia stored over $200 million in gold and silver in their vaults under the building. They are still unsure how much of the recovered metal was theirs. It is believed that there were other valuables stored in the vaults but there is no information on how much of it has been lost or recovered in the disaster. Officials finally reached the trove Tuesday after removing a 10-wheel truck and several cars that had been crushed by the debris.”
Meanwhile, thanks to Giuliani’s “scoop and dump” operation, the remains of 9/11 victims sit in a garbage dump called “Fresh Kills”, where apparantly they have been used to fill in potholes!: “The pulverized remains of bodies from the World Trade Center disaster site were used by city workers to fill ruts and potholes, a city contractor says in a sworn affidavit filed yesterday in Manhattan Federal Court. Eric Beck says debris powders – known as fines – were put in a pothole-fill mixture by crews at the Fresh Kills landfill on Staten Island, where more than 1.65 million tons of World Trade Center debris were deposited after the Sept. 11 attacks. “I observed the New York City Department of Sanitation taking these fines from the conveyor belts of our machines, loading it onto tractors and using it to pave roads and fill in potholes, dips and ruts,” Eric Beck said.”
Giuliani has such lack of respect for the victims that heavy pressure was put on the cleanup workers to finish the job way ahead of schedule and in the process they did a haphazard and cursory job of looking for human remains: “At the same time, the administration warned companies working on the pile that they would face penalties or be fired if work slowed… Although the cleanup was expected to last 30 months, the pit was cleared by June 2002, nearly two years ahead of schedule.”
Because of this, remains continue to be discovered even now years later:

Some remains found even in areas “already checked”:
Want to find out more about the real Giuliani from his mayoral records? No big surprise that he has taken possession of all his records and is in the process of sanitizing them: “More than five years after Giuliani spirited his papers out of City Hall in his last days in office – saying he would pay to have them privately archived – virtually all of the 2,118 boxes he took have been microfilmed and returned to the city, aides say. But the index offers little detail on specific files, and Giuliani’s archivists have yet to deliver a more comprehensive road map to the voluminous collection, now housed in an old court building behind City Hall. “You would have better luck finding a picture of Rudy wearing a Red Sox cap than locating a meaningful accounting or record of his tenure as mayor of New York,” griped one operative from a rival presidential campaign.”

Giuliani has also said that he is on par with the 9/11 rescue workers regarding time spent at Ground Zero, saying: “I was at ground zero as often, if not more, than most of the workers. … I was there working with them. I was exposed to exactly the same things they were exposed to. So in that sense, I’m one of them.”
It turns out Giuliani spent a total of 29 hours in 3 months at Ground Zero: “It shows he was there for a total of 29 hours in those three months, often for short periods or to visit locations adjacent to the rubble. In that same period, many rescue and recovery workers put in daily 12-hour shifts.”

Giuliani is also a liar on other matters, and not a very smart one at that. In an interview with Peter Jennings he stated that he had been told that the Twin Towers would “collapse” soon on that morning of 9/11, saying: “I went down to the scene and we set up headquarters at 75 Barkley Street, which was right there with the police commissioner, the fire commissioner, the head of emergency management, and we were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was going to collapse.” In that same article it says Giuliani was accosted by a protester at one of his fundraising events who confronted him with what he had said, and he denied having said it: “Afterward, a young woman claiming to be the relative of a Sept. 11, 2001, firefighter who died when the towers collapsed, asked Giuliani why he allegedly told Peter Jennings the towers would fall that day, but did not stop the rescue efforts of firefighters and police officers. The woman claims Giuliani knew the towers would fall, and allowed rescuers to go to their deaths. She asked him, “How do you sleep at night?” Giuliani was extremely polite, telling the young woman she was wrong and that he never said what she claimed. At that point, another protester from her group, a young man, interrupted Giuliani with the same allegations. Giuliani replied by saying, “I didn’t realize the towers would collapse.” He later added, “No one that I know of had any idea they would implode. That was a complete surprise.”
Not very smart eh? Especially considering the Jennings interview was on t.v. And it brings up an even more interesting question: Since no steel-frame high-rises have ever before or since collapsed because of fire (and not on 9/11 either if you watch the video footage, as it’s plain to see what brought the Towers down was massive use of demolition charges), how on earth could Rudy Giuliani or anyone else be able to “predict” that the Towers were going to “collapse” [read: be demolished]?


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Not being a yank, i may be talking shit, but I get the feeling that the dems would love to get Mr 9-11 as their opponent. they must have all sorts of shit to throw at him (and if the nom is Hilary, she won’t be shy). However, the stupid fucker looks like he is shooting himself in the foot anyway, answering a call from his wife when he was trying to convince the NRA he wasn’t some liberal asshole!


That phone call matter was puzzling. It was most likely contrived, but to what purpose? Possibly to curry favor with women voters, by showing how much he supposedly cares about his [current] wife that he would pause in the middle of a speech to the NRA? Or possibly to have an incident that could be interpreted as snubbing the NRA, maybe with an eye on the general election knowing he won’t get the pro-gun vote in the primaries anyway? Perhaps both?


“I get the feeling that the dems would love to get Mr 9-11 as their opponent. they must have all sorts of shit to throw at him…”

Personally, I take nothing for granted in these matters. The repubs don’t know shit about governing, but they’ve worked mighty hard to perfect the art of the stolen election.


Realistically, despite how much fun it is to make fun of Rudy, he stands absolutely positively no chance whatsoever of winning the GOP nomination. There are certain factions in the Republican camp that like him, but not the evangelicals and they have the votes. He is the only candidate in the GOP field of whom there are photos in full drag, the only one who freely admits to having gay friends and even living with gay men (after one of his divorces), and so on a so forth. The “social conservatives” (e.g. homophobes, misogynists, puritans) will never – ever – back Rudy and like it or not, they are the portion of the GOP base with the numbers. Even in a “lesser evilism” scenario they would opt for Romney or whoever before Rudy.


“How’s about a themed party on a movie set, where everyone dresses as a first responder of some kind…”

Brilliant! And have former Gov. Witless of New Jersey assure each ash-covered responder that the air is safe to breathe!


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