And.. Voila!

The set up:

August 1980: After Southern Baptist Convention President Bailey Smith tells a Dallas Religious Right gathering that “God Almighty does not hear the prayer of a Jew,” Falwell gives a similar view. “I do not believe,” he told reporters, “that God answers the prayer of any unredeemed Gentile or Jew.” After a meeting with an American Jewish Committee rabbi, he changed course, telling an interviewer on NBC’s “Meet the Press” that “God hears the prayers of all persons. God hears everything.”

[…]

March 1993: Despite his promise to Jewish groups to stop referring to America as a “Christian nation,” Falwell gives a sermon saying, “We must never allow our children to forget that this is a Christian nation. We must take back what is rightfully ours.”

[…]

January 1999: Falwell tells a pastors’ conference in Kingsport, Tenn., that the Antichrist prophesied in the Bible is alive today and “of course he’ll be Jewish.”

And for good measure:

“A few of you don’t like the Jews and I know why,” Falwell sanctimoniously told his congregation. “They can make more money accidentally than you can on purpose” (The Washington Star, July 3, 1980).

Now the punchline, coming as only it can from a batshit yenta who has accused everyone from Google’s programmers and NBC network producers to Moveon.org and George Soros (she and her JDL friends have a list) of anti-Semitism:

Jerry Falwell RIP

Reverend Falwell has died. A fine man. A great American. Israel has lost a true friend and supporter. May his soul rest in peace.

Posted by Pamela Geller Oshry on Tuesday, May 15, 2007 at 02:17 PM | Permalink

Bwahahahaha. Because there’s, like, a heirarchy of values whereby… ah, fuck it.

Bonus hyuk hyuks: Pammy sez:

McCain ought to put us all out of our misery and jump the aisle. If I hear him crying about “torture” one more time I am going to go water boarding. Puleeeeeze. His brain is broken. […]I hate him.

We have no time for silliness.

 

Comments: 59

 
 
 

Motherf@ckr said the Antichrist was Jewish? Unb3frikkinlievable!

 
 

Well, given we Jews “produced” the Prochrist as well, I suppose it would be fair to assume we’d be the ones nuanced and multi-faceted enough to also produce the Antichrist.

On the other hand, it kind of makes the Christians a bit superfluous if we Jews are doing all the heavy lifting for their religion.

 
 

Which, I said Ben Shapiro looked like Damien Thorn in that celeberity lookalike thing, based strictly on appearance and child-evil value. I’m sure David Nieporent will show up any minute and blah-hah that as proof of my hypocrisy and anti-Semitism. Except I’m an agnostic and think Christianity, Judaism and Islam are all equally stupid, which kind of makes me different than Falwell — or Pammy for that matter.

 
 

Yeah! That whole The Antichrist Is Jewish, Is A Jewish Male Born In Israel thing is totally Pat Robertson’s party gag.

 
 

As an Ex-fundy Xtian, I can tell you these people like Pam have NO idea about how negatively these predispensationalists view “teh Joos”. Isreal and the Jewish people are viewed as no more than bait on the Armageddon hook. And it is a VERY widespread doctrine in conservative christianity.

And though I suspect she suffers from neurocystercercosis, what the hell does this mean?

I am going to go water boarding

 
 

The Anti-Christ isn’t Jewish. He vacations in Crawford.

 
 

A “true friend” of Israel. With friends like these, etc. etc.

Meanwhile, on Hannity & Colmes, Colmes was bright yella when it came to discussing Falwell. Hannity was going off on Hitchens’ (hilarious, where-the-fuck-has-your-brain-been-for-six-years) rant against Falwell on Anderson Cooper.

Colmes says, we should debate Falwell’s legacy at a future date, but now it would be unseemly b/c he just died blah blah blah.

Which is basically saying, we’ll never discuss the destruction wrought by that fat hypocrite, because the time to do it would be now, when he’s in the news, but instead I’ll cravenly give him a pass … and really, everybody knows there’s no way we’ll ever bring him up again in any meaningful way.

I hate Colmes. I hate seemliness. And graciousness. And primitive superstitions about dead people, which I think drives more of this crap than we’d care to believe.

 
 

No, no. The Anti-Christ works as an accountant for an insurance corporation. The company isn’t doing so well, so he’s kinda stressed about whether to look for something else, but his benefits are pretty good and he doesn’t want to leave, especially since his wife has a third baby on the way. He lives in a suburb of Indianapolis. He’s not Jewish, he’s Episcopalian. Doesn’t go to church much. He gave up on the Apocalypse, considers it a youthful phase. To be honest, he’s embarrassed about the whole thing. He had special surgery to get the “666” removed from his forehead- it mostly worked, now it just looks like a strange birthmark. He puts makeup on it.

Hangs out with Satan sometimes, Satan has a job in clothing retail. Doesn’t like it, but no real effort to find something better. Lazy. Seems like they have less and less in common as time goes but they are old friends.

 
 

From Pammy’s comments:

“As a Christian Zionist, I am learning to appreciate the beauty of Judaism on so many levels. In this instance, showing respect for those who have passed. It is forbidden to speak ill of the dead. We remember their great accomplishments and their contributions to our world.”

So we have to be respectful of Adolf Hitler and his “great accomplishments” and “contribution to our world?

 
 

atheist, I think there’s a song in that, kind of like a reverse Joan Osborne “One of Us”. I’ve always loved that song, btw, the thought of poor old God riding the bus, tired and lonely, hoping the Pope will take a little time out of his busy day to phone for a chat

When people start spouting about how we “won” the cold war, I like to point out that no one really won the cold war, the Soviet Union just lost first. The harm done to this country during the Reagan years both economically and psychologically… I can’t think about it with out being sick.

OT, I’m supposed to go to a John Edwards Town Hall this morning, and I’m not going to make it if I don’t get going. Great thing about living in Iowa, if you haven’t rubbed elbows with someone who might be the next Preznit of the Yewnited States, you must be a hermit – at least during the run up to the caucus. Obama’s office is having it’s grand opening Saturday, but I’m not going to make it to that event, due to a prior engagement.

 
 

I’m sure David Nieporent will show up any minute

Nah, he’s busy in another steroids thread.

 
 

So we have to be respectful of Adolf Hitler and his “great accomplishments� and “contribution to our world?

If you’re an Orthodox Jew, you at least have to not say anything about him one way or the other. Hagiography is just as wrong as desecration.

On the other hand, as a Reform Jew, I think the ideas ridiculous and remains of the primitive fear of death and of being spoken ill of yourself. Considering I want a roast at my funeral, I don’t have any problems saying shit about Hitler, Stalin, Nixon, Reagan, or Falwell, particularly true things about them.

As a whatever the fuck a Christian Zionist is, that prick doesn’t have to do one thing or the other. He isn’t meant to follow mitvah, and isn’t held accountable for holding to them or not.

 
 

If I hear him crying about “torture� one more time I am going to go water boarding.

I hear they have lovely accommodations at Guantanamo Bay…

 
 

Maybe waterboarding in this context is a euphemism for surfing.

“If I hear him crying about ‘torture’ one more time I am going to go surfing.

Now it makes sense.

 
 

Candy:

I have always liked that song too. May I also say, I am glad you have read ‘Failed States’ and can vouch for it. I have been interested in Chomsky for a while now, but have only just started ‘Manufacturing Consent’. It’s a bit dense, but has a lot of very interesting ideas. I very much like his idea of looking at US propaganda structurally. I’ll see what I think of it.

 
 

[…] Sadly, No! point out that as much as some people want to say that Jerry Falwell was a friend of Israel, he certainly was no fan of Jews. […]

 
 

The Shrieking Harpy would make an incredible Bond Villain.

 
 

Pammy states, “[w]e have no time for silliness,” to which our dear friend, Irony replied, “the fuck? You’re KILLING me.”

 
 

“We have no time for silliness.”

Can’t this be Sadly, No!’s motto? But like in Latin? Please?

 
 

These criminals don’t care. They don’t feel a need for a logical consistancy, they don’t require a coherent narative, they can’t be concerned if their every position nets out as self-contradictory nonsense. They want to hurt muslims. They want to torture them, bomb them, kill them. It is base tribal hatred, pure and simple.

9/11 was nearly six years ago. They killed 3000 people in NY and DC. Since then, America has destroyed countless cities, killed a million people and ruined millions more lives. And still they won’t call it even. The hatred burns in their heart, death and horror is the only creation they offer the world. Like an addict, the more death and suffering they cause in the world, the more destruction and horror they require.

If we can’t silence this madness, or at least shout it down, they will bring us to the brink. With the lethality of modern weapons, this could very well be a fight for our very civilization, just as they say. They just do not seem to be clear on who the bad guys are…

mikey

 
not that pablo
 

Pammy has swallowed Dershowitz’s syllogism, which goes like this: “Everything Israel does is good and just. Israel tortures people suspected of terrorism. Therefore torturing terrorist suspects is good and just.”

 
 

9/11 was nearly six years ago. They killed 3000 people in NY and DC. Since then, America has destroyed countless cities, killed a million people and ruined millions more lives. And still they won’t call it even.

It’s worse than that, Mikey. At this point it’s pretty clear that Jeebus’ Glorious Freedom Army has failed to complete Operation Awesome Kickass. The greatest military force on the planet got outsmarted and defeated by a bunch of Arab teenagers with home-made weapons. The wingnuts are humiliated.

How could this be, they wonder. Certainly it couldn’t be because the plan was flawed, or that Donald Rumsfeld ran the military like Isiah Thomas runs the Knicks. No, it’s because we were PUSSIES– we didn’t torture, maim and disfigure ENOUGH. Romney wants a Double Guantanamo, and the rest of the ReThug candidates boast about how they’re gonna be especially torture-y once they get in office.

Like an addict, the more death and suffering they cause in the world, the more destruction and horror they require.

They are completely divorced from the concept of cause and effect. Their blind loyalty to their leaders, honed like a samurai sword by all the years of Limbaugh and FOX News, trumps everything else– any sense of decency, fairness or honesty. They are petty people who just need to win at something, goddamnit. They’re losers in every other phase of life. They just need to beat those stupid hippie liberals who hate America.

They feel like they’re part of something, like they’re making a difference with their empty platitudes about supporting the troops and their yellow ribbon magnets. They remember those heady days when Operation Awesome Kickass was going well and the people on the teevee were talking about the coming Pax Wingnuttica and dustbins of history for the stupid Dhimmocrats. It didn’t turn out that way, but they’ll never accept it. They’ll blame the people who were out of power at the time for everything that is wrong with the country. That’s the way they do things.

 
Smiling Mortician
 

Atheist: Manufacturing Consent is also a documentary on DVD. It’s available at Netflix. Put it in your queue today!

And not that pablo: Eww on the image you have evoked in your first five words.

 
a different brad
 

Pam makes me wish ostracism was still practiced as it was back in ancient Athens. Vote her off the island, make her go live in deepest, darkest Tennessee or Arkansas or somesuch, n see how long she can keep her schtick up. Hell, I think it’d be a great idea for a reality tv show.
And, as a proudly unbaptized so far gone atheist I don’t like the word atheist because it implies a relationship to theism I don’t have, fuck Hitchens, he does NOT speak for me.
We on the left have a duty not to let this pigfucker rehabilitate his rep.

 
 

go live in deepest, darkest Tennessee or Arkansas or somesuch,

Well, tarnation

 
a different brad
 

Sorry HTML. I loved Bonnaroo in 04, n was briefly in love with a girl from Murfeesboro, (sp?), but that’s also where I saw a family say grace over a meal from Taco Bell. I’m just sayin it’d be a whole new world for Pam.

 
 

lollerz, dude; it’s cool. hell, i’ve seen much worse than grace over taco bell. hell, i know people who eat opossums.

 
 

hell, i know people who eat opossums

Even though they look like Play-do and bacon?

 
 

ADB: try antitheist. works better, more accurate, and so on. a-is just great for without, and without theism doesn’t get it done.

 
a different brad
 

RB- I prefer just calling myself rational. Not to knock irrationality, cause sometimes it’s fun, but my prob with that whole formulation is it puts theism as the norm. It ain’t normal to believe in an imaginary, judgmental, old man in the clouds. It’s kinda effed up, if you ask me, scaring kids into believing that crap.

 
 

An argument can be made for roadkill possums over, say, factory farm bacon. As far as I know, there’s no lagoons of possum shit swimming with flesh-eating microbes and winding up in the rivers disabling the fishermen every time there’s a storm. I bet your spongiform encephalopathy risk is about the same, too.

 
 

“Where is the candidate that says, it’s a war on Islamism? Discard the nonsensical “war on terror.” It’s a politically incorrect, unintelligent marketing term. In that case, it’s a war on IEDs too, and homicide bombers yada yada yada.” Pam Witless

A Jew calling for The New Crusades- I thought that was exclusively a xtian endeavor?!

Spirula- Am I wrong in guessing that you’re are either a biologist or a parasitologist? Neurocystercercosis would explain the rants and delusions but, I still lean toward them being caused by drugs and booze.

 
 

A couple years ago I killed a big nasty possum that was hanging around the back deck. Big smelly rat thang. Yuck. Never even crossed my mind to eat it…

mikey

 
 

JK47: Their blind loyalty to their leaders, honed like a samurai sword by all the years of Limbaugh and FOX News, trumps everything else–

Honed like a sammich?
By all the years of Limburger?

 
 

bronco214,

You’re probably right. I doubt Pammy does pork. (youall are free to take that anyway you want)

(yeah…zoologist. Had to teach a Medical Microbiology course a few semesters so I loved to drag in as much ick as possible to make it fun.
Hookworm, filiariasis and Guinea worm vids always turned the heads or had someone running from the room. I always wonderd to myself, “These folk want to be nurses? Wait ’til they get a look and wiff of a septic decubitus”)

 
 

“christian zionist” is shorthand for batshit rapture-nut who isn’t happy unless the whole of the Middle East is in flames and the rest of the world is right behind it, because that means Jeebus is a-comin to scoop them up to heaven like raisins for his bran

It allows them to pay lip-service to the Jews out of one side of their face while still blaming them for the death of Christ and praying for their extermination out of the other

 
a different brad
 

Off topic- Ann Althouse is yelling for attention. Her experience as a professor in law school, and dear god how it terrifies me she’s allowed to ‘teach’, proves to her that literature should not be taught in schools.
She also says “quit bitching about No Child Left Behind.”
Why?
Ann fucking Althouse says so.

 
 

Totally OT, but this seems a good place to ask: what happened to The Editors?

 
 

A friend of Israel, eh? Yeah, I suppose hey wait a second… it’s Hitchypoo, come to rescue a bigot’s memory from self-serving wingbats again!

Seeking to deflect the charge of anti-Jewish prejudice, Falwell adopted the cause of the most thuggish and demented Israeli settlers, proclaiming that their occupation of the West Bank and Gaza was a holy matter and hoping that they might help to bring on Armageddon and the return of the Messiah. A detail in this ghastly narrative, as adepts of the “Left Behind” series will know, is that the return of the risen Christ will require the mass slaughter or mass conversion of all Jews. This consideration did not prevent Menachem Begin from awarding Falwell the Jabotinsky Centennial Medal in 1980 and has not inhibited other Israeli extremists from embracing him and his co-thinkers ever since. All bigots and frauds are brothers under the skin. Trying to interrupt the fiesta of piety on national television on the night of Falwell’s death, I found myself waiting while Ralph Reed went all moist about the role of the departed in empowering “people of faith.” Here was the hypocritical casino-based Christian who sought and received the kosher stamp from Jack Abramoff. Perfect.

 
Mostly Cillious
 

Hookworm, filiariasis and Guinea worm vids always turned the heads or had someone running from the room. I always wonderd to myself, “These folk want to be nurses? Wait ’til they get a look and wiff of a septic decubitus�)

Dude, come on! I’m eatin’ sushi, here!

 
 

“make her go live in deepest, darkest Tennessee…”

Hey pal, we’ve got enough dipshits down here to deal with already.

On the other hand, it would be kinda fun to make Polythene Pam pray over a dinner of roadkill possum. Yeah, that’s right! We Tennesseans have a law that says you get to scrape kilt varmints off’n the road and eat ’em if you want! Someone got a PROBLEM with that?

 
 

adb-

Rationalist works.

I always liked Humanist. Kind of emphasized that I regard human potential as the ideal. Whether it’s rational endeavours, or inspired irrationality in art, whatever.

 
Herr Doktor Bimler
 

Their blind loyalty to their leaders, honed like a samurai sword
For some reason I can’t help thinking of Paul the Samurai, who “regularly carries his sword baked into a loaf of French bread in order to avoid problems with local police.” Spoon!

 
 

yeah, and while ADB’s point is well taken (how come theism is the default) it doesn’t change the fact that theism IS the default. given that this remains the case, “humanist” or “rationalist” don’t grapple with what really matters–one’s opposition to fairy tales as central components of one’s (personal or societal) world view. they just are nice concepts in and of themselves.

so thus “antitheist” says “i’m specifically calling you out on your godfairy stuff.” and, to an extent (more passively) so does “atheist”. but i like mine better because i made it up.

 
a different brad
 

Nah, not rationalist. I’m not big on ist or isms. Humanist isn’t bad as far as they go, but has so much historical baggage.
Systematization as the basis of understanding the world is well and good, it’s just not me.

 
 

I like to refer to myself as an “atheist” not because it is the most accurate descriptor, but precisely for its accumulated baggage. It is truly a big smelly turd in the social punchbowl. For a long time I have used the word “heroin” in public/social situations the same way – to light ’em up. As in “my husband just got a raise at work”. “Oh yeah? That’s great! Now he can afford to buy better heroin”….

mikey

 
 

Quoting Jonathan Miller from a recent edition of Bill Moyers’ Journal:

I’m reluctant to use the word ‘atheist’ to describe my own unshakeable disbelief and that’s not because I’m ashamed, afraid or even embarrassed, but simply because it seems so self evidently true to me that there is no God that giving that conviction a special title, somehow dignifies what it denies. After all, we don’t have a special word for people who don’t believe in ghosts or witches.

Yup.

 
 

I’m with you on that one, mikey. Many people will actually physically shrink back from you when you use that word to describe yourself, and I admit I find that amusing, in a not-very-nice sort of way. Hell, I got chubby cheeks, how else am I gonna give people the willies?

I definitely recommend using “atheist” when the Witnesses or Mormons come to the door. “Antitheist” is a wonderful and useful word, but they wouldn’t understand it. “Atheist” has a Pavlov’s dog sort of effect on them, and running away in terror is good exercise.

 
Herr Doktor Bimler
 

it seems so self evidently true to me that there is no God that giving that conviction a special title, somehow dignifies what it denies.
Someone suggested ‘Ignostic’ to capture that sense of “I don’t find your sky-fairy delusion sufficiently interesting to bother with having an opinion about it”.

 
 

atheists are boring and make for very poor conversationalists … they are just as dogmatic as the Taliban.

 
Herr Doktor Bimler
 

Yes, but we’re dogmatic about different things. Get me started about Islay whiskies or quantum theory and I’ll give you dogmatism.

 
 


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Easily Offended said,

May 18, 2007 at 6:59

atheists are boring and make for very poor conversationalists … they are just as dogmatic as the Taliban.

Where the hell have you ever talked to a Taliban? Do you speak Pashtu? Or Persian? Are you in fact a stupid person throwing off the first adverse comparitive you could think off?

I think the answers are never, no, no and “yes, I am ashamed to admit that I was lying about the atheist-Taliban thing, and now I have made baby Jesus cry, so I will not be dispensated, premillinerianly or otherwise. In fact I have damned my immortal soul all for the sake of a cheap shot.”

May Caspar the Friendly Ghost have mercy on your soul.

 
 

atheists are boring and make for very poor conversationalists … they are just as dogmatic as the Taliban.

But I never shot anyone for listening to music!

Well, except for that one time…

 
 

[…] recent testimonies were roughly as sincere as Jerry Falwell grudgingly admitting that, sure, God does hear the prayers of non-Christians. And just about as convincing. That […]

 
a different brad
 

Atheists are not dogmatic. Saying superstitions are untrue isn’t a dogma, it’s an empirical observation.
What we aren’t is easy prey for cults.

 
 

Get me started about Islay whiskies or quantum theory

Okay, Dok, let’s rocknroll. I believe the Port Ellen (when you can get it) is the best Islay malt, period. I believe the Higgs Boson will be 134Gev. Whatcha got?

mikey

 
 

I believe the Port Ellen (when you can get it) is the best Islay malt, period. I believe the Higgs Boson will be 134Gev. Whatcha got?

Geez Mikey, whatcha goin’ and gettin’ all smart on us now? Here we wuz, innocently dreaming about Pammy wrinkling her (scar-tissue) nose at a platterful of sweet possum pie and grits, weaving a little on her green&white webbed lawn chair in front of the stolen rest stop picnic table … honking plaintively, “Ewww, gross. I’m not eating that rat. Anyone got a menu for the nearest Chinese takeout joint?”

…and then here you come, talking your Bosonic trash. Intermediate vector or not, don’t come crying to us when they swipe your Lagavulin and run up your credit cards prank-calling Stephen Hawking…

 
 

Paraphrasing Linus Van Pelt, we could have described Falwell’s view as, “I love Israel. It’s just Jews I can’t stand.”

Off ya go, Jerry. Enjoy the trip. You know that’s not a waterslide you’re on, right?

 
 

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