Memo to any of the gathering of fuckwads who did serve. Please go back and review the content of your oath. Now, tell me who is a traitor?

mikey

…latin and hiphop music…

UNCLEAN!!!

Also, “latin”? I’d love to see what Ms. Betty random Capitalization has to say about Gregorian chants set to a kickin’ backbeat…

Hamas and Hezbollah flags?! Yeah, I’m sure there were a lot of them at the protest! These lying fucksticks can pull any fucking lie out of their asses, and their fucking fuckwad stooges will spoon it up, like it’s a fucking seven course banquet!

“No one in the military is allowed to have any opinions but ours! No one else can wrap themselves in our flag! No one else can exploit our military dead for a political message! Froth! Foam! Rage!!!seven!!”

Hello, this is the WAAAAAH-mbulance Dispatch. What is your emergency?

Hey, I got an idea. Next time the Eagles gather, meet them dressed up as Fraggles. I can see it now: “A Gathering of Eagles Meets a Conclave of Fraggles.”

Music on the one side: John Ashcroft singing “Let the Eagle Soar.”

On the other side: 30,000 Fraggles singing “Tubthumping.”

TKO, 17 seconds of the first round.

Gavin, while your tenacity is admirable I humbly suggest you are beating your head against a wall.

Remember, Bushies also believe:

Saddam threw the inspectors out.
WMDs were found in Iraq.
Al-qaeda was funded and trained by Iraq.
Spreading Freedom and Democracy is best done by an Invasion and Occupation.
AND
George Bush is Honest and Intelligent.

Just saying…

There were Iraq flags at the protest, and but no Hamas. (Would the average rightie even recognize such a banner if hung in front of them?)

I wish I could use lies to prove others as liars. I also I wish I could just fabricate imaginary people and use them as reliable sources.

And since Marge from the Treasury Department just wrote me to say that Uncle Sam owes me approxinately $13 billion, I’m waiting for the right blogosphere to back me up on it.

And then they sicked their vicious
TRAITOR DOGS on the Eagles and drove us away from OUR monument!!!!!

(Did I put enough caps in there?)

I just figured it out. The 30,000 estimate is based on the number of Cheetos bags and Milwaukee’s Best cans Betty picked up from around the Beagle’s “posting” during her court mandated voluntary time on trash detail.

30,000, in quiet dignity, but on guard, supplemented by Park Police … that must be a good-sized (and very windy) knoll.

And “knoll” not preceded by “grassy” just sounds wrong. Like “Bosnia” without “war-torn.”

playing inappropriate rock, latin and hiphop music over our Memorials

God forbid a major city should have the sounds of…..people who live in the major city wafting through the air.

IIRC didn’t the Dept. of Defense mount a bigwar celebration on the mall featuring popular music? Toby Keith and stuff like that IIRC. What’s she saying here, only white music is appropriate?

Just in case you haven’t done so yet, do go on over to the GoE’s website and follow all the links to the photographs of the supposed crowd of 30k.

Don’t miss this one, which shows that some of the Eagles were also carrying foreign flags!!!1!!eleven!

Also, don’t miss this site, which does a nice job of documenting that, unsurprisingly, GoE was less about protecting supposedly imperiled black gashes of shame, er, beloved national monuments, and more about pissing off and physically assaulting anti-war protesters.

“No loud music, no complaining about the environment.”

Isn’t that funny? That’s what I plan to print under the coat of arms of the stylish little motel I plan to open.

And the sugar frosted dingleberry who wrote those captions was “disgusted and moved to tears” by the “callousness” of a a pair of frickin’ Army boots on a flag-draped coffin, but NOT by the dead Marine inside, who died for nothing. Yeah, Michelle Magalagadingdong, I said, for NOTHING, you skanky bitch! Saying so doesn’t dishonor the fallen, sending them there and lying about it still after four long years does! Bastards.

What’s she saying here, only white music is appropriate?

Rhetorical question, right?

What’s she saying here, only white music is appropriate?

Rhetorical question, right?

I believe the Horst Wessel Lied would have been fine with her.

The Gathering of Eagles were posted on a very windy knoll at the East End of the Wall, where they had surrounded themselves with hundreds of American flags flying briskly in the breeze. No loud music, no complaining about the environment. Just there to defend the Wall and scream “Traitor!” at those who disagree with us.

Fixed.

Just there to defend the Wall.

Like the loyal Ost-Deutsche Stasi. Defending ‘the wall’ against vile, subversive, liberal, non-conformist, hippie traitors.

“The adversaries were across Henry Bacon Drive aiming their blaring loudspeakers our way, playing inappropriate rock, latin and hiphop music over our Memorials and I’m sure it was wafting across the Potomac to Arlington National Cemetery.”

“..our Memorials..”

Their memorials?

THEIR MEMORIALS!??!

Message for all you dipshit Beagles…those memorials belong to THE ENTIRE COUNTRY..not just a bunch of retarded, violent assholes who like to dress up in leather and assault people.

Waitaminute. I just noticed this:

Dear Veterans, Family and Friends,

We won.

Huh? Now I know that we have discovered that we can turn anything, from eating to tug o’war to ballroom dancing into a competition, but at what point did political demonstrations become a sport? Shouldn’t we at least agree on the rules, scoring and penalties before we start to play? And what about referrees? Judges? Degree of dificulty? Style points? You can’t just declare “we won” when the other side didn’t even know it was game on!!

mikey

Goddamn 503 error eating posts. Christ.

“Don’t miss this one, which shows that some of the Eagles were also carrying foreign flags!!!1!!eleven!”
Italy annnnd… Portugal?

That sanbuy.com link is to damn slow to be viewable. And that’s with a cable connection.
Maybe they spent all their money on flags, and couldn’t afford a decent server.

And speaking of flags: goddamn. I propose a mathematical/political equation; 1 flag per 5 attendees = patriotic, 5 flags per 1 attendee = borderline fascism and a zealot level of nationalism usually found in certain European countries circa 1938.

Goddamn 503 error eating posts. Christ.

We’re moving to a bigger, steam-powered server as we speak. Sorry about teh 503s!

many thanks for yr on this, fellas.

A bunch of people on the Eagles’ website are linking to their own Flickr albums…I’ve been looking through them and I don’t think I see 30,000 if you count every person in every picture. You’d think a crowd that big would have inspired ONE of them to climb up somewhere and take a shot of the majestic crowd.

“Hey, kids! Get off my mall!”

The Smattering of Beagles is a gift that just keeps on giving.

Dear Veterans, Family and Friends,

Mission accomplished.

Fixed.

I’m pleased to serve you.

Best wishes,
Betty
————————————-

Well, at least someone is getting some…

S’okay, Gavin. I don’t blame you. I blame Retardo.

That and I really need to get into the habit of Crtl + C.
Lather, rinse, repost….

These people only care about winning and losing, not reality or consequences or subtle intricacies or complicity. But more then that, they care about the Hollywood image. Service(wo)men who think this war is a bad idea are cowards and traitors. Displaying memorials to the fallen are “disgusting”. They don’t want to have to think, they want victory parades and they want to feel important.

I think Gen. Buford put it best in the movie Gettysburg. Or, at least, the writers did. I dont’ know if there’s any record of him ranting this, but I’ve always found it to be the perfect example of that mentality:

“You know what’s happening here
in the morning?

The whole damn rebel army
is gonna be here.

They’ll move through this town,
occupy the hills on the other side.

When our people arrive, Lee’ll have
high ground. There’ll be the devil to pay.
The high ground!

Meade will come in slowly, cautiously,
new to command.

They’ll be on his back from Washington.
Wires hot with messages. Attack! Attack!

So he will set up a ring around these hills.

And when Lee’s army is nicely entrenched
behind fat rocks on the high ground…
Meade will finally attack,
if he can coordinate the army.

Straight up the hillside, out in the open…
in that gorgeous field of fire.

We will charge valiantly
and be butchered valiantly.

And afterward, men in tall hats and
gold watch fobs will thump their chest…
and say what a brave charge it was. ”

It’s all a show, to them.

The Gathering of Exaggerators is still a catchy name.

Yep. Just like Dong Ap Bia…

mikey

The fact is, there were actually 300,000 war supporters at the gathering.

The fact is, only 30,000 of them were Eagles.

The fact is, the other 270,000 were Chickenhawks.

The fact is, that’s all the supporters President Bush has left.

The fact is, the traitors were mean to us, and we want our mommies.

er…what war is it that they won again?

the one over in iraq?

o, yea, right. i forgot, the war to save the vietnam memorial from “commie libs” is a way more pressing issue.

WOO HOO! YOU WON!
you heard it lefties! we all have to lay down and agree with them, and quit protesting, because they won.

dang, why didn’t we think of claiming victory first?

“The Gathering of Exaggerators is still a catchy name.”

So is “Gathering of Freikorps”…

Teh Gatherin’ of Eagles is ripe for ye olde Google-bomb.

Just sayin’.

Remember, we are dealing with the praty of ‘The Math’.

It involves the number 30,000, callous indifference to the human shields they use to justify thier cronyism, a square root sign, a suspiciously placed adams apple, one unusually large bunch of celery, a ‘slightly used’ mosque, shooting an old man in the face, and a surprizingly large number of closted gays. When you factor 300-500 bent right wingers into this equation (which, coincidentally, looks just like the house in The Cat in the Hat after the chest is opened) you get Glorious Victory over Any Who Oppose Us.

Does the new server come with a preview button? Because I simply cannot be trusted to be accurate the first time through.

“Also, don’t miss this site, which does a nice job of documenting that, unsurprisingly, GoE was less about protecting supposedly imperiled black gashes of shame, er, beloved national monuments, and more about pissing off and physically assaulting anti-war protesters.”

Man, some of those people on that site (which, incidentally, took about 20 minutes to completely load – not only are they assholes, but they are technologically retarded!) look truly frightening and seem to exhibit a wide range of mental illness. And it just reinforces my belief that reich-wingers are incapable of a sense of humor. One of their signs said “We ain’t Fonda Jane” – wow, how original! LOL! ROFLMAO!

These people are utterly and truly pathetic. How sad that people like this still exist in this country after all that’s gone on in the last 6 years.

So is “Gathering of Freikorps�…

Would they still get to hang out in the Eagle’s Nest, though?

Defending the wall? wow that’s brave – not like those traiterous Marines.

I don’t think I’ve ever been more disgusted in my life than I am by the caption they put on the picture of the coffin. “Disgusted,” “moved to tears” and “callous” are fitting words, but the context in which they’re used there is completely fucked up.

I’d wish that the person who wrote that would burn in Hell for all eternity, but you can’t damn the soulless. They win again!

inappropriate rock, latin and hiphop music

Here you go, Betty. This music video is for you. It’s hip hop, it’s Latin, it rocks, and you’ll probably find it inappropriate. Enjoy!

I’m throwing down a very OT squib here, but this afternoon I discovered this site, dubbed “An appeal from the ad hoc committee for Conrad Black.” It’s a parody, brought into this world by the folks at Canada’s Frank Magazine. Read the full story here [PDF].

Their main page quotes leading lights David Frum and Mark Steyn from published sources (alongside inspirational citations from Ayn Rand and Napoleon Bonaparte), but what catches my eye is this from the letters page:

I’m interested in making a pledge to the fund. I’m not exactly rich, but I’d be happy to send $25 along, even if just to defray the costs of maintaing the website.

—Adam Yoshida

Did somebody say google?

And a Gathering of Eagles?

We Won!

On my little local community board, our resident wingnut troll used to derail a lot of threads. It’s one of those oldfashioned tiered boards, where threads indent out into the ozone when replied to. So finally someone posted a thread saying, “hey, let’s all try to not reply to him.” –

so, it actually worked, except once in a while someone will respond to him – in some cases it’s a supporter; in other cases it’s just one person moved to respond. But everyone else has been pretty disciplined.

Each time someone responds to him, he posts a little victory post, claiming that He Wins!!! 111!!!! because the leftists are driven mad by him.

He’s even started to post ” I Win !!111!” in response to posts that may have an obscure reference to him, or that he imagines refer to him.

This reminds me of that nut.

I call shenanigans. In one corner, we have an actual attributed spokesman for the NPS, who points out that not only didn’t they furnish a crowd estimate, they’re not permitted to; in the other, we have “Betty”, park service Volunteer with an Apparent fetish for Capitalization and very poor grammar.

On top of the supposed 30,000 and the entirely trumped-up threat to the memorial, I think some skepticism about this letter is entirely warranted.

Did somebody say google?

And a Gathering of Eagles?

I heard that too. (Google + Gathering of Eagles, that is.)

“Would they still get to hang out in the Eagle’s Nest, though?”

Let us see who is on the list…

Rudolf Berthold – Check
Martin Bormann – Check
Wilhelm Canaris – Not any more, dirty hippy traitor.
Kurt Daluege – Check
Hans Frank – Check
Richard Gluecks – Check
Arthur Greiser – Check
Wilhelm Harster – Check
Wolf-Heinrich Graf von Helldorf – Not any more, regular traitor.
Reinhard Heydrich – Check
Heinrich Himmler – Check
Rudolf Hess – Check
Erich Hoepner – Not any more, dirty hippy traitor.
Rudolf Hoess – Check
Rudolf Jordan – Check
Hans Kammler – Check
Ernst Kantorowicz – Not any more, dirty jew traitor.
Wilhelm Keitel – Check

…yes, they can.

I like this picture.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gatheringofeagles/428653445/

You know, if you are gonna get a banner printed off, editors can prevent errors from grammar.

They really showed Jane Fonda whose boss!

If I had known there was going to be good music playing, I might have hauled my lazy ass down there.

I see the Gathering of Egos had the Irish and South Vietnamese flags flying. Neither have been members of the Coalition of the Willing.

I didn’t see any “Hamas/Hezbollah” flags. I didn’t know they shared a flag.

“I didn’t see any “Hamas/Hezbollahâ€? flags. I didn’t know they shared a flag.”

I think they mean the Lebanese flags, The Gathering of Freikorps get confused easily.

The Gathering of Eagles were posted on a very windy knoll at the East End of the Wall, where they had surrounded themselves with hundreds of American flags flying briskly in the breeze.

So the participants carried two or more in each?

They won?!????

But what about the points from the refs on the Pentagon roof? You know those guys always get their paperwork in late! I know those guys always get their paperwork in late!

But do the Goe’s know that those guys always get their paperwork in late?!?!?!???!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?

I demand a recount!!!!!!!!!!

Shorter GoE:
Those brave soldiers served and died to protect *my* free speech, not yours!

KR2–

I think you’re right. I usually don’t think of a Scary Network of Swarthy Foreign Muslim Terrorist Foreign Swarthy Ãœntermenschen Terrorists when I see Lebanon’s rather innocuous flag. But then again, I don’t scream “Traitor!” when I see Marines who don’t share my political views.

Arturo Toscaninny said,

March 21, 2007 at 19:47

And the sugar frosted dingleberry who wrote those captions was “disgusted and moved to tears� by the “callousness� of a a pair of frickin’ Army boots on a flag-draped coffin, but NOT by the dead Marine inside, who died for nothing. Yeah, Michelle Magalagadingdong, I said, for NOTHING, you skanky bitch! Saying so doesn’t dishonor the fallen, sending them there and lying about it still after four long years does! Bastards.

Yeah Arturo, that one pissed me off so much that I left a comment on the chickenhawk site-

You were disgusted because someone is memorializing a fallen loved one? You are one sick Bushie! This thought comes to mind- how old are you? Are you young enough to go get your ass shot off in W’s illegal and immoral war? If so, please enlist and STFU!

You can’t just declare “we won� when the other side didn’t even know it was game on!!

Well, how else are the wingnuts supposed to win, then? Didn’t think of that, did ya, snart guy? With all your “logic” and “science” and “non-lunacy.”

I’m starting to think the entire GoE phenomenon was some sort of humor trap laid out by the wingnuts. You know, get all the normal people caught up in ripping on the Flock of Seagulls so that they don’t notice the latest wingnut affront to reality. But then again:

1) That gives wingnuts far too much credit for being clever, and
2) Wingnuts have shown repeatedly that they have no idea how stupid they look when they chow down on big ol’ Wingnutella sandwiches

That’s pretty funny that they’re still obsessed with Jane Fonda 40 years later. I mean, at least change gears and go after Rosie O’Donnell or Sean Penn or Olbermann or somebody. I’m in my mid-30’s and I can’t remember Jane Fonda being famous for anything other than being the bane of all wingnuts’ existence. She’s off the pop culture radar, dudes. Nobody gives a shit about Jane Fucking Fonda anymore. She was teh hot in “Barbarella,” though.

Chappaquidick, Jane Fonda, Lewinsky. The Holy Triumvirate of Wingnut Punchlines. What a bunch of lame motherfuckers.

The AMerican flags were far outshadowed by the Palestinian and Hamas/Hezbollah flags.

Hm…
Palestinian flag
Hamas logo
Hamas flag
Hezbollah flag

You’d think green and yellow flags like that would be pretty visible in photos. Sadly, No!

I think some were protecting the wrong wall. I hop someone finally told them That’s not the War Memorial.

The adversaries were across Henry Bacon Drive aiming their blaring loudspeakers our way, playing inappropriate rock, latin and hiphop music over our Memorials and I’m sure it was wafting across the Potomac to Arlington National Cemetery.

Looks like a response to this 14 Feb message sent out by anti-war protest organisers, stating: “We will not be in the Vietnam Memorial and all speakers for amplified sound are turned away from the Memorial so as not to interfere with family members visiting the site.”

That message is particularly embarrassing to GoE because it shows that the rumours were disputed very early on. The fact that Betty the NPS volunteer just happened to refer to it and undermine it in such a clever way is a remarkably convenient coincidence… remarkably.

Do NPS keep records of their volunteers? Do you think they’d be identifiable by first-name? … No, surely GoE wouldn’t be stupid enough to do that.

Jane Fonda
Who art in Hanoi
Traitor be thy name
Thy Hippie Scum
Thy Will be Done
In Tehran as it is in Hanoi
Give us this day
Our daily commie manifesto
And deliver us from democracy
Ahh, Woman!

mikey

I hear Jane Fonda attacked us at Pearl Harbor! I also hear she is Kang’s secret lover!!

It’s all so neat…everybody is talking about I ran again!

When they say that they’ve won, they are partly correct. They have indeed succeeded in debasing everything this country stands for and turning public discourse into a cesspool of hate. That is their goal.

That’s how it was done in Rwanda. A constant stream of hate flowed from their press, TV and radio until the entire country erupted. Left unchecked it will happen here in time.

And it isn’t your average fucktard that can mount a DoS attack.

“Huh? Now I know that we have discovered that we can turn anything, from eating to tug o’war to ballroom dancing into a competition, but at what point did political demonstrations become a sport? Shouldn’t we at least agree on the rules, scoring and penalties before we start to play?”

It isn’t a sport and there are no rules. And yes, I really mean it. It’s all out war as far as they are concerned.

She was there from 0700 to 1900?

Fucking vampires.

Is an AMerican flag one you use only in the morning?

Sadly, it’s clear the Gathering of Swift Eagles For Truth are a walking demonstration of our country’s failure to provide better post-war psychological assistance and intervention.

Paranoia, hallucinations of imaginary attackers, and severe delusional symptoms are medical consequences that veterans carry in far larger proportion than the rest of the population. It’s just a fact of war.

This whole incident seems to have resulted from an typo in an early announcement about the March, from way back last year.

For example, here, post 14 Dec 2006:

The March 17 demonstration will assemble at the Vietnam Veterans Memorial
(Constitution Gardens) at 12 noon in Washington, D.C.and march to the
Pentagon.

See evolving work here.

I’d just like to pause to note that, if this is true, it just goes to show how incredibly important it is that we don’t go around assuming the “opposition” always have the worst intentions. How hilarious would it be if this whole thing could have been avoided if someone jsut got on the phone to someone else to verify a few things?

And how much more manipulatable are we all when we are polarised, and can’t use the “collective wisdom” to sort through things like this?

Oh, Lord, Kumbayaaaa 🙂

She was there from 0700 to 1900?

Fucking vampires.

Apparently, I’ve been throwing myself at you. So ummm…

Hey mdhatter, baby, what’s your sign?

scottp: Yeah, it’s bad enough that they had that stupid little “Jane Fonda’s field office” sign on the port-a-potty, but then it seems they all had to take their picture in front of it. I bet people passing by were thinking it was a Gathering of Incontenents.

“I’m sure it was wafting across the Potomac to Arlington National Cemetery.â€?

Wafting? Does music waft? And if it were wafting over the cemetery, that would matter because it might. wake. the. dead…hey, wait a minute….

On the other hand, maybe she meant Waffen…

Marita. Honey. Try not to pay too much attention to the trollytwins who shall remain unnamed. Although if you want to sidle up to mdhatter, that makes me no nevermind.

HW, clearly you’re right about the port-a-potty thing, but I certainly hope you haven’t inadvertently offended Incontinent-Americans with your comment (you could perhaps check with Incontinentia B. for an authoritative view).

Finally, noen: Yeah. I know. It’s more comfortable not to think about that, but at the risk of running afoul of Godwin’s Law — these guys, not to mention their tactics, seem awfully familiar, if not as plentiful.

If you little pissants knew anything at all about the military. You’d know that asshole wasn’t supposed to wearing his uniform to any demonstration ! pro or con ! That is if he is really in the Marine Corps.I’m sure there is a lot of Marines who would like to have a little talk with him. Also where were your big mouths and puffy chests when you were standing across the street from real men ?
As for you HystericalWoman. Good name. It fits. Maybe next time we can put your commie face on one of the outhouses too.

Ummm, what ‘industry’ is being referred to in the second photo caption?

The war industry? The killing & maiming LLC industry? The cuckoo lunatic industry? The biker jacket industry? The AMerican flag industry?

Really, I want to know!

HW: I bet people passing by were thinking it was a Gathering of Incontinents.

Are you suggesting that their little exercise in dodging the snow shovel for an afternoon to play fort with the boys might actually have been An Emptying of Cobags?

How uncivil.

Lot of crying going on here . Lot BS.

Hey look. Another big tough internet guy. Are y’all as scared of Mr. softail as me? ‘Cause I have no doubt he’s done his tours, hand to hand, knee deep in grenade pins. We’ll change, mr. softail, we swear. Just don’t beat up my browser, ok?

Softail. Heh. Fourteen year old wanna be asshat. But tough, don’t forget tough…

mikey

The thing that needed shoveling was the big pile of BS left at the Sheehags gathering site. You must have been real proud to march with Black Bloc anarchists, SDS and commies. You bunch of losers.

And another thing, you stupid libs. I know so much about the Marines because I was one right up until they gave me a dishonorable discharge for bedwetting, but we aren’t going to talk about ANY of my dishonorable “discharges.”

Hey Gavin ,

e-mail away pal. They know what scum you are.

Marita said,
Hey mdhatter, baby, what’s your sign?

Whore 🙁

Hey Mikey I was there and marched through your ranks. You could have introduced yourself. pissant. I didn’t hear a peep . I’ll be at the next one too.

You bunch of losers.

I gotta say, though, this is the first Reichtard that I’ve ever seen who could spell “losers”. Every other home-schooled double digit IQ one of ’em I’ve ever seen goes with the “loosers” option…

mikey

You wanna know why, you stupid thug? ‘Cause I remember the oath I swore when I joined up. Something about the constitution. The reason we are right, and you are wrong, ultimately comes down to we’re defending your rights, while you are acting like a Soviet rather than an American…

Oh, that and you’re only tough on the t00bz…

mikey

Maybe they meant a gathering of Kleagles….

Thanks for the compliment, soft. I’d send you a picture of my commie face to put on a latrine, but I’m afraid goat.se is down. Anyway, I hope you enjoy trolling here!

Not to threadjack, but if anyone’s going to be anywhere near Ft. Carson, CO in the next couple days, they’re doing a massive blood drive for the guys and gals over in Iraq against their will.

It’s an honest to goodness chance to show the righties once and for all just who is honestly supporting the troops…

Also, I’m sorry I offended you. I’m sure your mom thought your “Jane Fonda’s Field Office” sign was hillarious.

What is Jane Fonda doing these days anyway?

A Blathering of Medievals…

TBogg had the best line: “A Milling Around of Old Guys”

You aren’t defending my rights. I defended yours forty years ago when I took an oath that wasn’t to the communist party like yours ! Every time you march, you encourage the enemy to kill more of our troops. You people are stabbing our troops in the backs just like your hippie drugged out parents of the sixties did.
And if you want to call somebody a thug, you better look around at some the crew you march with. They could two big shits about peace ! Don’t bothering answering me. I can’t stand this cesspool any longer !

What exactly is the Gathering of Eagles? On the Gathering of Eagles website, donors are directed to mail contributions to Vets For The Truth – ATTN: Gathering of Eagles in care of a post office box in Chocowinity, NC.

Usually, an organization will advise the donor whether contributions are tax-deductible or not but the Gathering of Eagles folks don’t do that.

I checked the IRS database and Vets For The Truth is not registered as a tax-exempt entity. There is a Gathering of Eagles Foundation in Ridgefield NJ but somehow I don’t think this is the Gathering of Eagles group we are talking about here.

Vets For The Truth does not appear to be registered as an organization in any state.

Where are contributions to Gathering of Eagles going and how is the money accounted for?

What’re the odds this latest Softailoo5 hissy-fit is just the latest in a long line of ‘that’s it, I’m leaving RIGHT NOW!!!11!’ messages these trolls always seem to post. You know, the ones that always seem to be succeeded by a ‘Ok, I was gonna leave, for reals, but this just demanded a response!’ post.

With all your “logic� and “science� and “non-lunacy.�

non-lunacy – LOL – Onyx u are teh bestest

Softail, fuck you, you don’t even know what it means to be an American.

Isn’t it amazing, Snosians, that somebody could have gone thru the same shit I did back there and today be fucking PRO WAR??? I mean, what the FUCK?? I mean sure, I know nam vets who disagree with my politics, and who even think the Iraq invasion was a good idea. But there is complete agreement that the waste, the horror, the destruction, the HORROR of war is something we have to find a way to avoid. Makes me wonder about his sanity….

mikey

Marita. Honey. Try not to pay too much attention to the trollytwins who shall remain unnamed. Although if you want to sidle up to mdhatter, that makes me no nevermind.

Honesly, Mort, I only have eyes for Gavin. He’s sooooo dreamy. But I apparently have a reputation to live up to, and I hate to let anyone down.

What’s with this tool with “loo” in his name, by the way? I’d think an actual Marine would have a little more pride than that.

What we need here is a Gathering of IT Guys. Access to S,N! is terrible.

Softailoo5? There’s at least 4 more like him? I wonder if the other Softailoos are also busy trying to get various celebrities to join the gathering of eedjits. Here’s some names of “right wing friendly” celebrities he posted over there and said he was going to try to contact:

Canibus
Gallagher
Cornbread (?)
Gary Coleman
Johnny Ramone
Pat Tillman
Reggie White
Bob Backlund
Ronald Reagan
Saliva (?)
Yakov Smirnoff

Any luck getting Johnny Ramone on your beyond the grave phone Softailoo? If you do manage to talk to him tell him to say hello to Joey and Dee Dee for me but that he can go fuck himself.

http://gatheringofeagles.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2137&highlight=#2137

I call Fake Wingnut.

‘Commies’? C’mon, even the LGF bottom-feeders know that the 65% of Americans opposed to the Iraq Occupation all took oaths to the Mexihomoislamonazis.

Lawnguylander, unfair to Johnny. Yes, Republican, yes, bad person, yes, one of two or three greatest rock & roll guitarists. It all balances out, sort of.

There was a village in the Belly at the front end of a valley. We wanted to set up a blocking position in that valley, so we assaulted into an LZ just north of the villiage. First arty hit it most of the night, then the gunships lit it up in front of the slicks. We arrived about six thirty, the second company in. The first company had already hit the LZ and cleared the ville, then deployed in a perimeter to the south. We went thru the ville next, to take up a positing to the west.

Smoke. A few flames still crackling. Pigs, goats and a buffalo laying on the dirt, ripped open. The ville was maybe fifteen, twenty hooches. Most were ash, a few were knocked down and smoldering. There weren’t any menfolks, they had been taken by the VC, the NVA or the ARVN. There were little girls. Women. Old men. Blown apart, shot twelve, fifteen, twenty five times by the miniguns. Sprawled out, dead, where they fell. There was no one to bury them, no one to mourn them, no one to care. Did we care? Fuck. That night we’d be facing an NVA regiment.

But I remember that morning. The crunching of my boots. The weight of the grenades I carried in a net bag over my shoulder. The smell of blood, feces, cordite, fear. The far-off ripping burst of a 60 half a klick to the north. I can still see those little girls. Their black pajamas and straw hats, stained with their blood. Their last fear, dying alone and at the same time dying with their families, for reasons they couldn’t begin to comprehend, etched on their faces.

Pro war?? Fuck these people. Fuck them to the darkest regions of what they call their souls. Sometimes I hope it does go all to hell here at home. At least then I could offer the one skill I seem to have been born with, and rid the world of a few things that can’t possibly be people.

Gonna be a long night. Darkness closes. Fuckers…

mikey

He also seems to have tried to get John Travolta onside?

He did not do very well though

“I recieved replys from Lee Greenwood’s and Chuck Norris’sagent . Both are under contract for prior engagments on the 17th”

Yea “prior engagements” sure they did.

http://gatheringofeagles.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=717&highlight=

If he’s soft in the loo, maybe he could get some under-the-counter viagra from his buddy Rush .

Johnny Ramone ain’t the only dead wingnut on that list, either.

The band Saliva is wingnutty? Who knew?

I really wonder about the sanity of anyone who would want to join up with a group like the Fleagles. These are some seriously scary people. The complete irrationality of their hatred of Jane Fonda just seems like a symbol of the general madness and multidirectional rage from which they suffer.

It’s all good Mikey, sleep well mate.

You and yours, Mikey, are part of the reason I am anti-war. Most of it happened before I was born, but we need folk like you to make sure that folks like us remember.

Yes, peace, mikey.

“Beauty, midnight, vision dies:
Let the winds of dawn that blow
Softly round your dreaming head
Such a day of welcome show
Eye and knocking heart may bless,
Find our mortal world enough;
Noons of dryness find you fed
By the involuntary powers,
Nights of insult let you pass
Watched by every human love.”

Auden

Riiiing, riiing,

Yakov: Yes, hello?

Softailoo5: Is this Mr. Yakov Smirnoff?

Yakov: Yes, who ees calling Yakov?

Softailoo5: Well sir, Mr. Smirnoff me and a few hundred other guys in leather jackets and some codependents are going to go down and gather belligerently around a memorial to people who died in a senseless war to defend it from an imaginary threat this Saturday.

Yakov: Whaaaaaaattt???

Softailoo5: That’s right sir and we were hoping you would join us. You might get to rough someone up if you’re lucky.

Yakov: Mmm, yeah, Yakov ees busy, have you tried Gallagher?

“Don’t bothering answering me. I can’t stand this cesspool any longer !”

He spelled a few things wrong there. What he ment to type was, “Oh shit. I’m out of new things to say to try and be offensive, and none of these zany liberals are taking me seriously anyways. Flee! Flee!”

Yes, they hastily decamp when the battle of words heats up. I guess their colours do run.

You deal with this the way you know best, Mikey. Just keep in mind you have friends here whom you can call on if you need them.

Eeen Soviet Russia desperate pathetic Weengnuts over-estimate you!

I know I’m new around here, but doesn’t this sound satirical?

“And another thing, you stupid libs. I know so much about the Marines because I was one right up until they gave me a dishonorable discharge for bedwetting, but we aren’t going to talk about ANY of my dishonorable “discharges.â€?

Ms. Clio, I believe that might have been a name borrowing situation, there.

You people are stabbing our troops in the backs just like your hippie drugged out parents of the sixties did.

I think I’m in love.

OIC — thanx!

fuck I’m a thread killah everywhere I go.

I’m thinking softail skips to his loo…

Nah, it’s just getting late. I’m off to bed myself. Early to bed, early to rise, make our corporate bosses wealthy not wise.

Jane Fonda hatred is all they can latch onto. What else are they supposed to say? That Vietnam was a poorly conceived and poorly executed disaster?

They don’t have the balls to admit they screwed up, just like they don’t have the balls to admit we are screwing up in Iraq. We are losing there because some protesters here made the Iraqis really brave and want to fight back more or some shit like that.

They’ve defined war so that it always works, and when it doesn’t work it is only because the majority of the country screwed up somehow and stopped supporting a useless quagmire.

It isn’t the fault of the people who got us unto the quagmire, it’s the fault of you and me for noticing.

Luckily these morons are on the fringe and their numbers dwindle by the day. When they say they hate anti-war liberals what they mean is they hate the majority of Americans. Which makes their “love it or leave it” attitude kind of silly.

*They* are the anti-American counter-culture.

Every time you march, you encourage the enemy to kill more of our troops.

Yeah, cause those Iraqis do nothing but hang around and watch Americans on TV.

Here’s a thought: maybe the insurgents don’t give a flip about American politics. Maybe they’re just pissed because our planes blew up their apartment building as part of “shock and awe”.
Or because a car bomb aimed at a troop convoy caught their mother’s car instead.
Or because their cousin was accidentally shot at a check point
Or because their brother was arrested by mistake and tortured at Abu Ghraib
Or because unemployment went up to 60% while foreign contractors were brought in to do the same work at 4 times the cost
Or because the power vacuum let a religious militia run amok in their neighborhood.
Maybe it’s because when bombs and bullets started flying, people started falling, and those people have parents and children and lovers and friends who may not understand or even care what exactly put the bombs and bullets in the air. Maybe those loved ones can’t come up with any way to handle their grief or rage other than try to send bombs or bullets back the way they came.

Nah. Must be the damn hippies.

(Mikey, hang tough: sleep well.)

Jane Fonda

And she ain’t even got a motor in the back of her Honda!

Andrew Lloyd Weber? Joan Rivers?

You know, my anaconda has no desire to obtain any unless you already posses an adequate amount of baked good, my fine lady.

Every time you march, you encourage the enemy to kill more of our troops.

Yeah, cause those Iraqis do nothing but hang around and watch Americans on TV.

Well that’s what they would be doing, Dorothy, if they had any electricity. So points awarded to the wingnutz, for projection. (Funny, that’s how they score all their points.)

Tomorrow, Archie, Veronica and Jughead will weigh in on their volunteer experience at the GoE event.

OMG, I’ve just come from a 24/7 LOTR marathon and I see it all now, Clearly. It’s a ‘Gathering of Sméagols’!!1!
Praise the them, praise them with great praise! If they didn’t fall into the Cracks of Doom, who would?

Praise the them, praise them with great praise! If they didn’t fall into the Cracks of Doom, who would?

Sir Mix-a-Lot.

God dammit if annieangel thinks she has it bad here, she should try GoE website. I swear the moderator was laughing his or her arse off deleting exactly the right comments to make me look like a git 🙂 Ah well. Hey, if anyone wants to contribute to a wiki thing about this, that would be great.

It is funny to think that when facing a guy with an M16 your motivation is some hippies you saw on TV rather than the fact that the friend of the guy with the M16 raped and killed your niece, tortured your brother and levelled your house.

I visited the ganthering of douchebags flickr site. Who wrote those captions? They sound like a wingnut hallmark card on PCP.

Sad. Sad, pathetic people protecting something they don’t even understand. Protecting something that certianly doesn’t need a bunch of cowardly idiots ringed about it.

Oh well. I suppose there were no gun shows to attend that weekend.

The Gathering of Eagles did a great job! God bless America and our brave troops!

What should really disgust us all as Americans is that some of the anti-war kooks burned an American flag at their peaceful protest. Sickening scum.

Has this website covered it instead of mocking the patriotic Gathering of Eagles? Sadly, no.

Wouldn’t it be nice if every politician who supported the war had to lead it? Even just 6 months living in the dirt, doing foot patrols, meeting Iraqis who’ve had their loved ones slaughtered or kidnapped (yes, this was in the ‘good old days’ of the occupation), and having to get by with ‘the protective gear they had, not the protective gear they wanted’.

Every fucking supporter, too. They think it’s so goddamned important to kill foreigners in their own country, they can bloody well go and do it themselves.

It’s such tragic absurdity, or absurd tragedy, that these tossbags are howling about “protecting ‘Murka”, when they want to send others (not themselves) to kill people who are busy defending their own homeland. And all that crap about ‘fighting them over there, so we don’t have to fight them here’: none of them seem to grasp the idea that, within a couple of years more of this atrocity, you fucking well will be fighting them here, because the entire Middle East and the Muslim world will have risen up in fury and descended in righteous fury on the US.

Mind you, that’d give the wankstains something to do other than make up pretendy threats to monuments. They could be fighting actual turr’rists, with their US flags and their Jane Fonda abuse.

Psycheout, here’s a few tips.

1) The GoE was a bunch of freaks who made up a threat so they could get folks all riled up and vent some bile. No threat, no ‘great job’, just a bunch of hyped-up losers getting aggro.

2) Who, honestly, in all fuckness, gives a single, solitary, airborne-with-tail-rotors-humming fuck about a piece of cloth, when there are humans losing their lives daily, because of your government’s greed and your stupidity? Oh, yes, sickening scum. Fancy caring more about the deaths of innocent humans than about a piece of fucking fabric. Get a grip, and not on yourself.

3) Please just try, just make the teensiest effort, to get it through your thick, radiation-proof skull that killing innocent people will only make more enemies. They’re not terrorists, you dolt, they’re mainly people fighting invaders. What would you do if China, say, invaded the US? Would you play nice with the Chinese puppet government? Or would you do what your type always brag about, and ‘defend your homeland’? If so, what exactly makes you different from hundreds of thousands of Iraqis?

4) If it’s not already obvious, dude, your government doesn’t give a shit about the troops. See, if they did, they’d provide proper equipment for them when they go over, and provide proper treatment when they get back. The fact that they do neither is a giveaway that they consider the troops entirely expendable. And you’re supporting that, dickface. By supporting your idiot government, you’re supporting their under-equipping active troops, their continuous rotations of duty, and their appalling neglect (amounting to manslaughter in many cases) of returning soldiers.

Don’t sing that fake patriotic song here, wankstain. You only make yourself look more stupid.

check out pam. she’s “vlogging” from a locked bathroom.

What should really disgust us all as Americans is that some of the anti-war kooks burned an American flag at their peaceful protest. Sickening scum.

That’s what your boys are fighting for in Iraq. You should have struck the match for them.

Wax me.

Oh also, mikey is right.

The Gathering of Vultures was pretty much the same people that threw rocks at little black girls in South Boston, Mass. in 1974 when they got on school buses for desegregation. Off microphone, you can guarantee every word out of these idiots’ mouths was sand nigger and towel head and spic and nigger. Fuck, I grew up with all of these assholes and had to listen to their musical tastes at many gravel pit and swamp and power line parties in Massachusetts in the 1970s and 1980s. Some change, but not all. These are the ones who do not change.

These folks basically hate non-white people. They call these non-white people niggers, spics, towel heads, rag heads and sand niggers. Come to any Christmas time even in Quincy, Mass. or Scituate or Cohassett or Rockland or Somerville or Brockton and you’ll hear the same worn-out racist stupid bullshit.

These guys just happened to forgo the stripper show at Alex’s in Stoughton, Mass. to take a bus to D.C. to say the same thing they say in Stoughton every weekend — I hate niggers.

Yawn …

Yeah, sure, Qetesh the Shaved Abyssinian. But you’re just a cat. Or so I’ve been led to believe. How do you type?

“The Gathering of Vultures was pretty much the same people that threw rocks at little black girls in South Boston, Mass.”

Oh yeah, pretty much. Face it, you’re dishonest to the core. How many rocks were thrown at anyone, let alone little black girls, by The Gathering of Eagles?

Put down the white-out and get a clue. Oh, and stop sniffing glue and eating paint chips. Are all libs this dishonest?

Psycheout said,
March 22, 2007 at 7:37

What should really disgust us all as Americans is that some of the anti-war kooks burned an American flag at their peaceful protest. Sickening scum.

Has this website covered it instead of mocking the patriotic Gathering of Eagles? Sadly, no.
—

We all here mourn your lack of a brain stem. Regrowth is possible, but you have to actually try and think to encourage the cells to regenerate. Oh, and believing that global warming is a big liberal hoax will convince those few brain cells still alive in your head to commit suicide.

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/007109.htm

Ummmm, Douglas????

Psycheout:.

I was in 4th grade during the period Louise Day Hicks and R.O.A.R. (Restore Our Alienated Rights) when they were throwing rocks at buses with little black girls in South Boston in 1974 to keep them from attending schools in South Boston. Same in Charlestown, too.

Being from Massachusetts, I know that racism is extremely deep there and still is today. Every other household, nigger is considered acceptable language. Especially south of Boston, where I am from.

The Gathering of Eagles guys are the some old (ie. old) white fucks who always talked about kicking niggers’ asses but of course were too chicken to actually do so.

For example: where are all the black guys in the Gathering of Eagles ???

Seemed like an awfully WHITE crowd.

Yawn …

So Doug changes his name as often as he changes the subject. How “honest” of him/her/it.

Why do liberals hate the troops and America, annieangel? Why?

So Doug changes his name as often as he changes the subject. How “honest� of him/her/it.

Psycheout. Listen.

My name is Douglas Harold Watts. I am from [[Redacted by teh mgmt. -teh mgmt]].

I have now admitted much more about myself than you will ever admit.

Thanks.

Psycheout —

You stupid fucking troll.

My cousin, Jeffrey Olson, is in the USMC in Iraq now. He’s 19.

Shut up.

What should really disgust us all as Americans is that some of the anti-war kooks burned an American flag at their peaceful protest. Sickening scum.

No, what should disgust us is that people are more interested in flags than in soldier getting improper medical care, soldier medically unfit for duty being put back on the front, soldiers driving around in humvees that don’t have any underside armor for IEDs, etc etc.

The difference is that when you say “support the troops” what you mean is support a piece of cloth and a piece of rock. When I say “support the troops” I mean people, not inanimate objects.

Short version: it’s a factory-made piece of cloth, we have bigger issues.

Gosh, it’s amazing how angry liberals are. No wonder they burn flags, spit on our troops and throw rocks at little girls.

And Doug, I don’t need your address, Christmas isn’t for another nine months. I don’t start making my card list until early in December.

But you might want to direct your anger at “Frederick Douglass” rather than at me. He’s apparently a namestealer.

Shorter Random Observer:

“Gosh, it’s amazing how angry liberals are.”

I would normally snark about how amazed I am that people are “amazed” that we’re pissed, but every time I have to spell it out, I die a little on the inside.

Just think, “Shhh” from Austin Powers. Yeah. It’s kinda like that.

Some folks have their jackboots strapped on way too tight around here. It cuts off circulation to the brain you know.

Psycheout, I don’t think you’re real. Sorry, but the spoof detector is definitely pinging.
You just don’t seem genuinely angry. Try adding some misspellings n typos to imply you’re trying real fast n furious.

Psycheout has got to be the most run-of-the-mill troll of all time.

the perfect weapon for the next youtube war.

Lesley, that is just priceless. Attack of the disco zombies: “Aaaaaah! Teh disco!”

Odd thing is that, since just about every Bollywood movie has singing and dancing, to make it big you’ve got to be able to sing & dance, and do it well. I suspect this is Bollywood having a bit of fun at the expense of white, errr, black, blokes and their ridiculous dance styles.

Why would anyone be angry?

We entered a war under false pretenses, our troops don’t get body armor, vehicle armor, are forced into combat with spinal conditions that prevent them from wearing helmets, don’t get proper medical care at home and don’t get proper leave time.

It’s funny that a place like Salon, a liberal publication, is exposing issues like these. Exposing these only helps our troops.

The conservatives trying to cover-up and explain away Walter Reed show you how much they really support the troops – not at all. These things don’t bother them at all. We send a woman into combat with a doctor’s note that literally says “do not wear your helmet for more than an hour at a time.” That’s perfectly ok when you hate the troops and view them purely as cannon fodder.

Why get upset about dead US soldiers right? Why should we care that soldiers are lying in pools of urine? Why should we care that a guy got his legs blown off because sandbags at the bottom of his humvee didn’t stop a roadside bomb?

“Support the troops – as long as you don’t have to actually care about them, get upset when anything happens to them, or do anything to help them.”

Pathetic. Everyone should be angry.

Now that’s a keeper, Lesley. Makes a nice two-fer with this, I think.

playing inappropriate rock, latin and hiphop music over our Memorials

Yes, I’m sure that the dead people laying in their graves were really bothered to hear some music.

Actually, if I was a dead person who somehow could hear music, I would probably want to hear some tunes as I lay in my grave… it would break up the monotony.

“Support the troops – as long as you don’t have to actually care about them, get upset when anything happens to them, or do anything to help them.â€?

Yeah, true. Basically though, the right wingers are into obedience of the people. That’s the bugaboo. Why are we ‘liberals’ not being obedient to the strong government, is what they wanna know. And if we aren’t obedient, well then we must be traitors.

The war could be executed like shit, the troops could be put in rathole hospitals, the bullets could be filled with Depleted Uranium which degrades the environment and causes cancer, the reasons for the war could be lies. But those concerns don’t mean anything to them, they will still focus on, “Why are those liberals not being obedient to our strong manly president?”

I know there’s more to their psycho-social makeup than that but I think that that is a big piece.

Dear Atheist,

They like their God the same way; angry, authoritarian, judgmental and filled with righteous vengeance. Why they adopted Christianity (the polar opposite of this) I have no idea?

‘The Gathering of Freikorps’
WTF? Be feal, be fair. The Freikorps would be in Iraq already. The Nazis were scum, but they had gonads. They’d be right behind ‘Operation Yellow Elephant’. They’d have public hangings of any Republican Jugend who tried to desert. So show some respect to people who had the courage of their convictions and do not compare these wankers to them.

Y’all be nice to Psycheout.

He’s watching his world crumble around him. His preferred political party was in power for all this time, and they still haven’t managed to win the war against brown people, either here or overseas. He knows that Brownback is going down to a truly humiliating defeat, that funding for the Great Wall of Mexico is going to dry up, that there’s not really that much his party can do to get America riled up the Evils of Hispanic America.

Y’all let him have his dignity, while he can still pretend to have it…

I dunno, Wally. Seems to me if Sam Brownback is smart enough to team up with Rick Santorum, they just might make an unbeatable ticket.

(Heh. I used Brownback and smart in the same sentence.)

– Gathering of Eagles

The problem with Brownback and Santorum teaming up is that Brownback would rather team up with George Allen, and Santorum would rather team up with some hot collie.

The Gatherin’ O Kleagles suffers from a common ailment – a collective below-average intelligence quotient. Remember, it’s a Bell curve and somebody’s pulling it down to 100

Blind obedience, reliance on others to sort and provide information, acceptance of outlandish claims by governments, trusting the government and the msm – all symptoms of not having enough socks in the drawer.

Unfortunately, stupidity, unlike ignorance, is incurable.

Yakov Stolichnaya said,
March 22, 2007 at 11:31

Now that’s a keeper, Lesley. Makes a nice two-fer with this, I think.

Be sure to also check out the opening credits of Happiness of the Katakuris (was listed right next to that one). Totally bizarre, as only the Japanese can be.

Apropos of nothing but Asian cinema, Happiness Of The Katakuris was based on an excellent Korean black comedy called The Quiet Family. If y’all have DVD rental places that offer forrin films, check it out. Along with almost any other Korean films you can lay your hands on, because the Korean cinema industry is producing some of the best of the best these last few years.

Izz trrrue, I tells you. Even won the Grand Jury Prize at Cannes, with the massively gruelling Oldboy, and got nominated for the Palme D’Or that same year.

Hey, I do other things than hang about here, you know. A cat’s gotta have a hobby.

“Don’t bothering answering me. I can’t stand this cesspool any longer !”

Fixed it..

“I’ve screamed like a hysterical child, now I’m taking my binky and going home for naps!!11!”

They like their God the same way; angry, authoritarian, judgmental and filled with righteous vengeance. Why they adopted Christianity (the polar opposite of this) I have no idea?

Man, I must have been hallucinating all of that whipping moneychangers out of temples and the wailing and gnashing of teeth and the being cast out into outer darkness and the fire prepared for the devil and his angels and the world’s water being turned into blood and poisoned by a falling star and the like.

A photo of a portion of a crowd of 20-30 thousand. The beagles don’t seem to match up. http://www.kapurthalaonline.com/events/6095_crowdenjoying.jpg

Odd thing is that, since just about every Bollywood movie has singing and dancing, to make it big you’ve got to be able to sing & dance, and do it well.

Qetesh, while it is true that the handmaiden’s beloved Bollywood film actors need to be able to dance as well as act, the singing is actually done by the wonderfully talented ‘playback singers,’ of the Indian film industry.

People like Asha Bhonsle, Udit Narayan, Lata Mangeshkar (sister to Asha Bhonsle), Alga Yagnik, and Sukwinder Singh, to name of few of the handmaiden’s favorites.

If you go to the archives of Shakespeare’s Sister, you will find a veritable treasure trove of various Shakers’ (including the handmaiden’s) favorite Bollywood YouTubes.

Many commenters were amazed at this display of devotion to Bollywood films, but they Just Do Not Understand.

OIC — thanx!

I C D CDB! reference, S?

Qetesh the Shaved Abyssinian, The Quiet Family was a great and disturbingly darkly funny film. I found it playing with subtitles on one of those WinAmp video channels. Take the cat’s word for it, even if you don’t trust mine. The Quiet Family is a must see.

PS Liam Madden is all kinds of hot. Dang!

Remember, we are dealing with the party of ‘The Math’.

Don’t forget to carry the advisor stealing TVs from Best Buy.

“I C D CDB! reference, S?”

After checking out the link, I wish, but sadly, no…just banal chatroomese, from years now long gone by.

Marita – usually it is red, and octagonal.

for you, Libra.

Smiling Mortician –

I can’t be a troll.

Gavin has me blogrolled.

I’m not sure why either, but it ain’t because I’m full of sh–, or because i;’m new… or use multiple names (without being obvious about it.)

just saying that i do not reside under a bridge.

If my comment seemed short, or you maybe didn’t get it… please reconsider what brevity is the soul of.

Throwing dirt just loses you ground.

Every time you march, you encourage the enemy to kill more of our troops.

Because, you know, mindless conformity and submission to aggressive leaders is the highest of American patriotic virtues, you LIEbral scum.

Lawnguylander

Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t Bob Hope rather, um….dead?

And who is “S?”

Are you saying I’m the Saildoofus, or what? My IP is always the same, so surely the PTB here know that’s not the case.

Okay. This has been fun.

mdhatter: I don’t believe Smiling Mortician was calling you a troll. Go to this thread and do ctrl f for “mdhatter.”

Ms. Clio: S is yes, as in “I see a CDB! reference, yes?” Sorry for confusion.

OIC, somehow, through the thick layer of egg now dripping off my very red face. Thanx, J–.

I think you’re exactly right J-

I’m just so darned oversensitive.

and thank you for that link. I totally missed that.

It’s true though. I do actually like annieangel – but, ummm, not that way.

Ganesh, baby, how good to hear from you again. And how lovely that you and your handmaiden are erudite in the matter of Bollywood. Far more than myself and my handmaiden, I admit to her shame: she’s more of a Korean/Japanese/HongKong afficionado, and has yet to enjoy more than a tantalising fishy-flavoured tidbit of Bollywood.

Odd you mention Asha Bhonsle, though: the radio station at which the handmaiden volunteers once a week (getting us all out of bed at the thoroughly uncivilised hour of 4.30 in the thrice-bedamned morning) featured her latest as the feature CD of the week recently. The handmaiden and myself both enjoyed it, given her quondam fondness for Middle Eastern dance, and my own nature as an Egyptian goddess (and of course a dancer of much renown, in the cat world).

So, baby, how’s about you and me get together and discuss our divinity, hmmm?

Ganesh, don’t trust a cat who claims to prefer riding in the back seat of a car. She’s up to something.

A little forward thought, people, if you please.

Treat GOE as a one-shot, self-directed, ego-stroking festival of denial and acting out and you miss completely what it was really all about.

The War in Iraq has been lost (you may have noticed). Everyone knows that, including the administration and the entire Republican Party and the entire Democratic party and the overwhelming majority of Americans with the capacity to pick up a newspaper, turn on a television, listen to the radio at the same time they drive to work.

Even the GOE – the majority of them – realize this.

The only dispute going on is “how can we cover our ass/how can we save our face/how can we avoid accepting responsibility/how can we blame it on someone else.”

The administration – and the armed forces – got into the blame game quite some time ago, when they started talking about how the Iraqis weren’t living up to their responsibilities (defined and imposed by us for our convenience and comfort and purposes, but what the hey, right?). Oh those weasely untrustworthy swarthy types – just can’t rely on them, or trust them. (kind of reminds me of the general US Army opinion of the ARVN in the sixties – back in the “Nuke em all flat and use the fucking place for a parking lot!â€? days of our honorable support for glorious democratic “freeâ€? South Vietnam).

Now, the Democrats are worrying that if they just stand up on their hind legs and say what everyone knows – the war is LOST and there’s nothing we can do about – they’ll catch the blame.

As they will.

Which is what GOE was AND STILL IS all about.

This “movementâ€? – structured and financed by the people who gave us Swift Boat Veterans For Truth, BTW – is just the laying of the seed corn for the long-term “stab in the backâ€? campaign the Republicans/Right are designing for 2010 and 2012.

They’re pretty damn sure they’re going to get trounced in 2008. They know they would be fools to bet on a victory (short of Christ appearing, declaring Armageddon in the Middle east, converting Israel on the spot and laying the hosts of Islam flat, biff, pow, zap, bam!).

But they also know that WHOEVER is in White House and in control of House and Senate is going to be handed a big steaming bag of turds and blood as Iraq’s centrifugal dissolution accelerates into a Lebanon-style civil war – but on a much larger scale.

And at that point no matter what we do, or try to do … all that we do, anything we do will just make it worse.

And the least evil of all the evil choices – just pulling out and, yes, ABANDONING them to the fate we wished on them (however inadvertently, however for the “bestâ€? (pause for laugh) of motives) – will nonetheless leave us observing a decade of murder, mayhem and massacres for which we – all of us (life in a putative DEMOCRACY folks; get used to sharing the responsibility; if it isn’t a REAL democracy with all the tools we’ve been given … well, then, whose fault is THAT?) bear precipitate responsibility. (keep in mind, moral responsibility is not a zero-sum game; everyone is one-hundred percent responsible for the results of actions they take – for consequences that could not have come about without them having played their part in the causation. Think about it.)

So, there we will be, once again as we were in 1975, watching the evacuation of the Embassy, the mothers lifting their children to the departing helicopters, the crowds of refugees – people who once worked for us and depended on us for their security – crowding the border crossings, reading about and watching on El Tube-o the cleansings, the re-education, the forced resettlements, the rising casualties …

All this on top of knowing that what we are pleased to tell ourselves is the mightiest nation in the world with the best armed forces in the world has once again LOST A WAR and that this is the cost.

You ant to know what the levels of guilt, the levels of national denial will be like? Just look at the actual veterans who were part of the GOE self-selected auto-da-fe. There’s your CASUALTIES OF WAR, folks. There’s your PERMANENT WALKING WOUNDED.

That’s what war does to people who wage it – and LOSE.

Mock them? Despise them? Snarl at them? Curse back at them?

Why not go kick a cripple instead? Why not play card tricks on the blind? Why not challenge a paraplegic to a tennis match?

It’s just about as brave, just about as righteous.

And all the time, so happy stroking your own sense of moral superiority, you still miss what is really going on.

These people – and their upcoming heirs of the Iraq campaigns, the Permanently Walking Wounded we are manufacturing on a daily basis in our armed forces now in Iraq – are being groomed as the storm-troopers and show-ponies of the forthcoming Republican STAB IN THE BACK campaign.

These are the people (again, along with the equivalent contingent of embittered Iraq-war vets) who are going to be screaming “WHO LOST IRAQ??!!!�� for the next five, ten, twenty-five, FORTY years.

The Rove-istas, the Kristinn Taylors, the Bud Days, Mary Jane Mcmanus’s, Carlton Sherwoods (and he’s now Mitt Romney’s ***) are the ones who stage-managed (and funded) the GOE Movement.

And you can bet they didn’t do it just for March 17th.

Pay attention people. The fantasy “30,000� is being pushed into the record books. The Silent Majority is going to be an Invisible Majority this time around. The “Glorious Defense of Our Sacred Wall� is going to be up on the Big Screen of America’s movie-addicted mind like it was the sequel to “300� and as world-shaking an event as the battle of Thermopylae.

When they say “we won!â€? they aren’t saying to for YOUR benefit. Like YOU, they’re preaching to the choir. Pay attention to the words; pay attention to the music (it sounds a teeny bit like “Horst Wessel Liedâ€? if you listen real close). You’re going o be hearing a lot of it pvert the next six years (and more).

Better start working on the counter-melody, hmmmm?

Stop congratulating yourselves and start thinking – and planning – on how to deal with this.

Sun-Tzu said, “best always is to attack your enemy’s strategy.�

Well to do that you have to know what that strategy is.

To know what that strategy is, You have to PAY ATTENTION.

Suggestions anyone? (discuss amongst yourselves, class).

———————-
(FYI, Veteran here, went across the bridge with the VVAW, directly behind the Iraq vets. My first demo as in ‘67, which I attended by way of walki

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A little forward thought, people, if you please.

Treat GOE as a one-shot, self-directed, ego-stroking festival of denial and acting out and you miss completely what it was really all about.

The War in Iraq has been lost (you may have noticed). Everyone knows that, including the administration and the entire Republican Party and the entire Democratic party and the overwhelming majority of Americans with the capacity to pick up a newspaper, turn on a television, listen to the radio at the same time they drive to work.

Even the GOE – the majority of them – realize this.

The only REAL dispute going on among the powers-that-be (or powers-that-WOULD-be) in DC is “how can we cover our ass/how can we save our face/how can we avoid accepting responsibility/how can we blame it on someone else.”

The administration – and the armed forces – got into the blame game quite some time ago. Didn’t you notice? It showed when they started talking about how the Iraqis weren’t living up to their responsibilities – as defined and imposed by us for our convenience and comfort and purposes (but what the hey, right?). You know the routine: Oh those weasely untrustworthy swarthy types – just can’t rely on them, or trust them. It immediately kind feminded me of the general US Army barracks-opinion of the ARVN in the sixties; back in the “Nuke em all flat and use the fucking place for a parking lot!â€? days of our honorable support for glorious democratic “freeâ€? South Vietnam.

Now, the Democrats are worrying that if they just stand up on their hind legs and say what everyone knows – that the war is LOST and there’s nothing we can do about – they’ll catch the blame. (“Shoot The Messengerâ€? might as well be engraved on the Great Seal of the United States as “E Pluribus Unumâ€?

As they will.

Which is what GOE was AND STILL IS all about.

This “movementâ€? – structured and financed by the people who gave us Swift Boat Veterans For Truth, BTW – is just the laying of the seed corn for the long-term “stab in the backâ€? campaign the Republicans/Right are designing for 2010 and 2012.

They’re pretty damn sure they’re going to get trounced in 2008. They know they would be fools to bet on a victory (short of Christ appearing, declaring Armageddon in the Middle east, converting Israel on the spot and laying the hosts of Islam flat, biff, pow, zap, bam!).

But they also know that WHOEVER is in White House and in control of House and Senate is going to be handed a big steaming bag of turds and blood as Iraq’s centrifugal dissolution accelerates into a Lebanon-style civil war – but on a much larger scale.

And at that point no matter what we do, or try to do … all that we do, anything we do will just make it worse.

And the least evil of all the evil choices – just pulling out and, yes, ABANDONING them to the fate we wished on them (however inadvertently, however for the “bestâ€? (pause for laugh) of motives) – will nonetheless leave us observing a decade of murder, mayhem and massacres for which we – all of us (life in a putative DEMOCRACY folks; get used to sharing the responsibility; if it isn’t a REAL democracy with all the tools we’ve been given … well, then, whose fault is THAT?) bear precipitate responsibility. (keep in mind, moral responsibility is not a zero-sum game; everyone is one-hundred percent responsible for the results of actions they take – for consequences that could not have come about without them having played their part in the causation. Think about it.)

So, there we will be, once again as we were in 1975, watching the evacuation of the Embassy, the mothers lifting their children to the departing helicopters, the crowds of refugees – people who once worked for us and depended on us for their security – crowding the border crossings, reading about and watching on El Tube-o the cleansings, the re-education, the forced resettlements, the rising casualties …

All this on top of knowing that what we are pleased to tell ourselves is the mightiest nation in the world with the best armed forces in the world has once again LOST A WAR and that this is the cost.

You ant to know what the levels of guilt, the levels of national denial will be like? Just look at the actual veterans who were part of the GOE self-selected auto-da-fe. There’s your CASUALTIES OF WAR, folks. There’s your PERMANENT WALKING WOUNDED.

That’s what war does to people who wage it – and LOSE.

Mock them? Despise them? Snarl at them? Curse back at them?

Why not go kick a cripple instead? Why not play card tricks on the blind? Why not challenge a paraplegic to a tennis match?

It’s just about as brave, just about as righteous.

And all the time, so happy stroking your own sense of moral superiority, you still miss what is really going on.

These people – and their upcoming heirs of the Iraq campaigns, the Permanently Walking Wounded we are manufacturing on a daily basis in our armed forces now in Iraq – are being groomed as the storm-troopers and show-ponies of the forthcoming Republican STAB IN THE BACK campaign.

These are the people (again, along with the equivalent contingent of embittered Iraq-war vets) who are going to be screaming “WHO LOST IRAQ??!!!�� for the next five, ten, twenty-five, FORTY years.

The Rove-istas, the Kristinn Taylors, the Bud Days, Mary Jane Mcmanus’s, Carlton Sherwoods are the ones who stage-managed (and funded) the GOE Movement. Take a look at who these people are working for and with in race for the Republican nom ination for ‘08

And you can bet they didn’t do it just for March 17th.

Pay attention people. The fantasy “30,000â€? is being pushed into the record books (coincidently, for those who like historical/ironical laughs, that’s the same number Goebbels claimed attended Horst Wessel’s funeral on March 1, 1923). The Silent Majority is going to be The Invisible Majority this time around, I guess. And the “Glorious Defense of Our Sacred Wallâ€? is going to be up on the Big Screen of America’s movie-addicted mind like it was the sequel to “300â€?.

What you have to process is that when these Mooks say “we won!â€? they aren’t saying it for YOUR benefit. They’re preaching to the choir (kind of like YOU are). So, pay some attention to the words; pay some attention to the music (it sounds a teeny bit like “Horst Wessel Liedâ€? if you listen real close). You’re going to be hearing a lot of it over the next six years (and more).

Better start working on the counter-melody, hmmmm?

Stop congratulating yourselves and start thinking – and planning – on how to deal with this.

Sun-Tzu said, “best always is to attack your enemy’s strategy.�

Well to do that you have to know what that strategy is.

To know what that strategy is, You have to PAY ATTENTION.

Suggestions anyone? (discuss amongst yourselves, class).

———————-
(FYI, Veteran here, went across the bridge with the VVAW, directly behind the Iraq vets. My first demo as in ‘67, which I attended by way of walking out of my ward at Walter Reed)

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Very interesting JTG. The double post is forgiven.

I like your emphasis on strategy, and on really understading your opponent rather than just dissing him/her.

JTG have you ever read Dave Neiwert’s blog? Especially Sara Robinson’s series on the psychology of Right Wing Authoritarians, or Mr. Neiwert’s recent mega-series on Eliminationism in the USA? (I linked to part one of both series, you can get to the rest by hitting the links on the left side of the screen.)

JTG, damn fine posting. I actually read both copies, picking up bits I’d missed the first time around.

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