Now that’s some good photoshoppin’.

Okay, this one at least made me laugh.

Hey, we aim to please!

I am so glad she got the hump with you otherwise I would not have seen this non-work safe video featuring the incomparable Molly Ivins.

Poor poor celery. I’m reporting you to the vegetable abuse hotline for that one.

Now how about a giant zuccinni. It too is veg, has enough starch to cause bloat and has the added benefit of suggesting potency. You can’t get more complimentary than squash.

Here’s a fun experiment:

1) Take a lap around the mall. Make eye contact and smile. Note people’s reactions.

2) Drag your narrow ass down to Western Costume and rent a “fat suit” for the day.

3) Repeat step #1, wearing the fat suit.

4) Take five minutes to ponder the differing reactions during #1 and #3 and why, maybe, your side-fur-enabled liberal friends might not be so keen on Teh Fat Jokes.

4) Take five minutes to ponder the differing reactions during #1 and #3 and why, maybe, your side-fur-enabled liberal friends might not be so keen on Teh Fat Jokes.

[Point totally taken.]

oh yeah? FATTY FAT FATTY McFATTICUS!

oh yeah? FATTY FAT FATTY McFATTICUS!

Mom?

2) Drag your narrow ass down to Western Costume and rent a “fat suit� for the day.

The majority of Americans would burst a fat suit out at the seams.

You implied that this walking stereotype of an amoral right-wing torture-apologist was too fat to get into the military? Boo freakin’ hoo. If you were really being mean, you’d have had him holding a blood-and-shit-smeared broom handle with a speech bubble saying “God Bless America”, and declared him qualified. Fuck ’em if they can’t take a joke. You’re a lot gentler than I would be.

making fun of the lack of “battle readiness” of a noted war-monger, who pumps himself as a war tactician, and refuses to enlist himself (dying is for other people) is not only funny, but entirely appropriate.

If SN! doesn’t apologize for implying Pamela Oshry holds up cardboard signs with misspelled words I’m not going to start a blog and put them on my blogroll.
SO THERE YOU FUCKERS

>Here’s a fun experiment:

>1) Take a lap around the mall. Make eye contact and smile. Note people’s reactions.

Here’s a better one…

2) Keep up on those laps, and don’t stop at the Chik-Fil-A, or the Micky-Ds. Keep walking, and have a drink of water if you’re thirsty. Walk until you’re tired. Really tired. Then do it again tomorrow. And then more of it on Friday!

We appreciate your progressivism, but it doesn’t do us any good if you’re dead of a heart attack or a stroke.

I’m sorry to sound harsh, but if the sight of a photoshop sub sandwich offends you to any -ANY- degree, you need to get walking.

Look, there is no sense in making fun of someone because they can’t control their weight. There is, otoh, a serious problem with the dude’s facial hair. I took the liberty and wasted 5 minutes of my precious time to darken it up a bit.

Never mind about his appearance, what we all really want to know is when will some serious investigative journalist uncover the legend behind Daffyyydd’s mysterious earlier nickname, Scouter. Could it be an homage to DragonballZ?

and when you’re done with the recommended laps, read Fast Food Nation and discover what greedy corporate america and corrupt republicans have been doing to your food supply for decades. That should control your appetite for Taco Bell, Jack in the Box and MacDonalds’ fare for life.

You want to see the state of American flesh, take a cruise to Alaska. You;’ll be FLABbergasted.

Watch what you say about taquitos. There are limits.

’m sorry to sound harsh, but if the sight of a photoshop sub sandwich offends you to any -ANY- degree, you need to get walking.

I’m not the scolding type, nor do I give a particular rat’s ass about any given fat joke. Hell, I make ’em myself, and this is Sadly, No! after all. All I was doing was pointing out that many people make stereotyped assumptions about fat folks’ character based solely on their weight. Assumptions that they themselves would decry if it were some other purely physical characteristic being made fun of. If you can’t see why I might be a bit disappointed to see people who are nominally on my “side” reinforcing negative stereotypes, then, I don’t know what to tell you.

2) Keep up on those laps, and don’t stop at the Chik-Fil-A, or the Micky-Ds. Keep walking, and have a drink of water if you’re thirsty. Walk until you’re tired. Really tired. Then do it again tomorrow. And then more of it on Friday!

Oh, snap. I never would’ve thought of that. Being all fat and lazy and stuff, I was too busy horking down cheese burgers to have ever heard of this “walking” thing you mention. Thanks for the tip.

I’m sorry to sound harsh…

Really? Are you sorry to sound like a self-righteous asshole? Overweight people get such a ration of shit from so many sources, what’s the point in piling on? A lot of people are genetically stuck with having to constantly struggle with weight. Even if they’re not — even if it’s entirely their fault — who the hell cares? I think it’s a bit much to be bothered by the photoshop of the Flying Welshman (mainly because they were mocking him because he’s an asshole, and not just because he happens to be overweight), but telling people who are offended to STFU and lose weight is just stupid. People who are overweight don’t deserve mockery just for being overweight. Talking to them like they deserve the abuse they’ve gotten is just lame.

Marita, that genetic argument is so over the top CRAP. The vast – vast – majority of obese people are that way because they eat a billion calories a day and don’t exercise. Fast food and refined carbs are killing North Americans. Their choice to keep eating the crap though.

I think what bugs me most is the “fat is beautiful” message. Fat is not beautiful and it’s certainly not healthy. For christ sake, take some responsibility and quit whining that it’s your genes when it is NOT YOUR GENES.

If only there were a way to make fun of the evil fat people while honoring good large people…

It’s quite a conundrum.

If ab Hugh is fat, fine. If he’s fat because he gouges himself with cheetos, whatever; he’s free to do as he pleases just like any of us here. But frankly, if someone makes a joke at his fatness’s expense, he’s going to have to consider it part of life and a consequence of the ridiculous things he’s said before. If he wasn’t fat, we’d still make fun of him. You see, it’s his actions and words that draw our ire, not his size.

Ab Hugh could look like her or her or any other person more pleasing, and we’d still make fun of him. We might call him an attention whore or an über slüt, but we’d make fun of him all the same. Why? Because this is S,N!, where we make fun of people that say stupid things, and ab Hugh has most certainly said some stupid things.

Now, I don’t think these things qualify him for day-in and day-out mockery (let alone a Kippie), but he’s a rare enough specimen on S,N! that I don’t think that Brad, Gavin, Retardeau and the rest of the internet gnomes are being overly mean.

(I don’t mean you, I mean the general you that whines “it’s my genes…”)

I’m ok with people making fun of the fighting keyboarders’ porkitude.

We don’t hate the person, we hate their fat (heads)! It’s in the bible.

Wait, is this some sort of
Art Frahm homage? I’m not linking to Lileks, but he did write the e-book on celery as an erotic mystery object in popular art, at least as far as one obscure and obsessed fan of Apium graveolens is concerned.

Y’know, I enjoy a good fat joke as much as anyone, but I also recognize not every fat person is so because they live off taco bell and mcdonalds and lard.
That’s a kind of a shitty, arrogant thing to say.

My girlfriend has gained weight since we got together. Maybe I should start scolding her, just for her own good and all that. I’m sure it would do the trick. Also, she’s living in poverty and has kids to feed and shit like that. To be gaining weight in such a situation is surely criminal. Yall want to write her some letters or something?

Oh, really Lesley? You don’t think some people are more disposed to be overweight than others? I’d love to see the science you’d use to back up that argument. It is so freaking difficult for some people (including people I know quite well) to keep their weight in a healthy range, and it isn’t because they eat six Big Macs for breakfast and sit on their ass all day.

On top of that, people in America could definitely slim down on the average, but the measure they typically use to splash the “OMG AMERICANS ARE SO FAT” headlines is the BMI, which is so seriously flawed I can’t believe they even use it for anything. I actually think the percentage of “obese” Americans is grossly overestimated.

Using the BMI, I (like most athletes with reasonable muscle mass) am considered seriously overweight. Using body fat percentage, I’m a bit below average. Nonetheless, I’ve gotten the weight loss lecture from at least a couple of “health professionals” who were too stupid or rushed to either do a realistic measure of my body composition, or to just, y’know, freaking take a good look at me. I can’t begin to describe how condescending and annoying those lectures were, and I’ve only ever gotten them when someone was privy to an actual number for my weight. I can’t imagine how annoying it must be to have people constantly treating you like that, especially if it’s something you’re already not happy about and something you’re putting a lot of effort into.

It’s really easy to pontificate about people needing to take responsibility when it’s something you’ve never had a problem with. For some people though, it is really not that easy.

I’d say the limit with fat jokes is in implying someone is a bad person for being large, or overgeneralizing to the point that assuming someone is large because of intentional ignorance of what makes for a healthy diet.
And no, I’m not fat. Far from it. Just one of those things where some make jokes that seem to go past the limits they’d set about other topics.

Guh. I hate it that this is all about fat vs. skinny, when I didn’t mean it that way.

My only point is one I harp on all the time — civility vs. decency. Ampersand can link to the supremely indecent, but refuses to link to the uncivil. This is fat-acceptance gone wild, where how one addresses psychos who happen to be overweight (and living cliches at that) trumps ..well, shit that really matters.

Who gives a shit about being nice to fucking sociopathic wingnuts? A photoshop, a fucking photoshop of Daffyd ab Hugh, from months ago, is still scandalous? Christ. And apparently to the point that it’s worse than what Daffy is generally advocating!

(Yes, I’m aware of the ‘reaching for the wrong weapon’ argument. But fuck that. These wingnuts are so awful that they deserve to be attacked with all available rhetorical weapons. If they look stupid on top of everything else then of course I’m gonna use that against them. These people can’t be shamed, they can only be ridiculed, made laughingstocks of. Look, I’m a Leninist when it comes to this sort of thing: my aim is to wipe the floor with political enemies, because that’s damn sure what they are trying to do to me. Fuck this liberal ‘be nice and civil to all people’ shit.)

I dunno HTML. I’m not squeamish, but there’s gotta be limits. Otherwise what distinguishes us from Pam, or some hypothetical wingnut who actually knows better?

*rolls eyes* at different brad. The myth of innocent larditude must be perpetuated at all costs. It’s like the cigarette addict who defends his right to be a victim of big tobacco. SOME PEOPLE SMOKE AND LIVE TO 90.

Of course, not EVERY fat person is so because they live off, etc…but most are and those fat food joints sure do a good business with billions of burgers served and zillions in profits and so on. American agribusiness was revolutionized by fast food beginning in the 1940s. Obese people and their slow metabolisms and type two diabetes and low thyroids and so on are largely self-made. I wager very few people are conscious about what they put in their body every day. The denial is astounding.

Wow-

Sorry kingubu, if I came off as harsh, or stupid. I misinterpreted your post as a little baiting. Interwebs and all. Look, I’m 6′-0″ and 240. Not the picture of health… Prolly shouldn’t be preaching at all. But I mean what I say about you being better alive then dead. You’re no good to us if your 6 feet under… (and by us I mean Sadlynauts past and future)

And Marita? Get bent. Your militant PC bullshit serves nobody but yourself. Not the Progressive movement, not “teh left”, not the aggrieved minorities that you might be supposing you stand for. Go on and feel superior. You’ve had your stand for the evening.

Their choice to keep eating the crap though.

Sadly, not always.

For whatever it’s worth: The DAH photoshops haven’t bothered my chubby ass particularly, but some of the comments here betray an ignorance and self-righteousness regarding weight that I’m more used to seeing from fundies regarding sex–and those remarks are only proving Amp’s points.

Agreed that it’s nice work with the celery, though.

Oh tom,

Thank you, you’re officially the first person ever to accuse me of “militant PC bullshit”. I feel I should wear it as a badge of honor.

I don’t feel superior at all. I’m not the one coming in here saying “don’t like the fat jokes? lose fucking weight, lardass!” I honestly don’t give a shit about any abuse HTML or Gavin want to lob at the ab Huuoiueoughhjghj idiot, because he’s a total asshole. But if someone (you know, like a member of the Sadly, No! community) comes in here and suggests that you lay off on trashing on fat people, the reasonable response might be to do something other than tell them they’ve brought it on themself. You dick.

You people are still missing the point. Art motherfuckin Frahm. Celery. Google. Do I have to do everything for you?!?

As far as “all available weapons” goes, it is fun to mock Ann Coulter for being a manhanded Adam’s-appled horsefaced stickfigure skank, but does that really get to the heart of what is wrong with her, which is that she is a totalitarian eliminationist McCarthyite nutjob, or at least that she plays one on teevee to beguile the Snopeses into voting for Jesus W Bush? Because when we attack with rhetorical WMDs we leave ourselves open to criticism that we are not civil or serious.

Hold on. Just re-read what I wrote above. Let me rephrase.

“Ann Coulter is a manhanded Adam’s-appled horsefaced stickfigure skank who doesn’t really love Jesus.”

Hillary: Call me.

Lesley, do you realize how much of a snob you sound like?
I assume not.
It’s great that you and I can afford and know how to eat well. And that we have time to cook for ourselves and to learn about how to eat right. Those are privileges of class, to a certain degree.
It’s not nearly as simple as you pretend, and acting superior to people caught in these systems is plain shitty.
And tom, shut the fuck up. Marita is acting like a human, not a pc anything. You should try it.

is so freaking difficult for some people (including people I know quite well) to keep their weight in a healthy range

marita: like most other people of middle age whose metabolisms have slowed, I have to watch my weight. And I’ve yoyo’d throughout my life, but in every single instance I take complete responsibility for that. I have a tendency to be an emotional eater and overindulge in sugar and refined carbs. The solution (to my 15 pounds over, periodically) is simply to cut certain foods out of my diet and use portion control. I also keep a food diary during such times because it’s so easy to forget what you’ve had.

Losing weight is actually very simple, but it does take effort. It may be unpleasant and a drag, but it isn’t rocket science. It just requires a little sacrifice and discipline.

I poke plenty of fun at myself when I gain extra pounds that make me feel horrible in and out of my clothes.

Hey man you’re on two of my blogrolls! So I hope you and your cohorts feel obligated now to take part in a little contest I just set up over at Mostly Harmless: who can write the best parody of Hilton Kramer blaming postmodernism for the Bush administration? Just for you all, I’ll broaden it to include a parody of whatever conservative you want trying to come up with some reason to stop supporting the Bush administration without looking like a complete coward or hypocrite (now that it’s only the dead-enders supporting him, anyway)….

Losing weight is actually very simple … but it isn’t rocket science.

Actually, losing weight is rocket science. It’s losing mass that’s the bitch.

but there’s gotta be limits

Sure. But not like Amp thinks.

Off limits: physical violence, ‘outing’; making fun of a person’s gender, national origin, sexual orientation, ethnicity, race or handicap. Everything else is fair game, including physical appearance — especially when the physical appearance is so fucking cliche like Daffy’s. Glenn Reynolds looks like a nerd. Daffy looks like Comic Book Guy. James Taranto looks like a fucking evil toad. And so on. How many photoshops have we done making Perfesser Corncob look even more geeky? Did the civility police of the local nerd union chapter complain? Not that I recall, and thank god they didn’t. But of course they wouldn’t: no one would take seriously a ‘Nerd Anti-Defamation League’. Nor would any such theoretical league be serving anyone’s interests by defending Glenn Fucking Glennocidal Tendencies Reynolds.

By making fun of Daffyd ab Hugh, we’re not blanketly attacking all fat people the world over. By a long shot. It’s more honest (but still not quite fair, I admit) to say that by complaining about our making fun of Daffyd ab Hugh, some people *are* taking up for him.

Again, wow.
I’m not tryng to start anything here. Sorry for the kerfuffle. Marita, don’t wear that as a badge… Thanks for calling me a dick. That was great.

I apologized to kingubu,though mabye not as explicitly as possible. For that I apologize, again. kingubu, I apologize if I made you feel uncomfortable.

different brad, I really appreciate your input. “Shut the fuck up”, awesome, that was great. Thanks.

Putting aside the entirely valid arguments about the unaffordability of nutritious food for people who are poor and I’m with you on that… I am not sitting in judgement of impoverished people who are trying to survive…

I live in a neighbourhood where people live in million dollar homes and I see the slop they put in their Safeway carts and it isn’t healthy. It’s crap. They eat crap and feed their kids crap and if they sneak in a few vegetables, hey, pat on the back.

I’m not running around horsewhipping fat people on the street for God’s sake, just trying to make a point about the responsibility, a lack of awareness and denial. We’ve got a serious health crisis in North America that is almost entirely linked to food intake, a lack of nutrition, compromised immune systems. Food manufacturers couldn’t care less about our health and I blame them to a point, but what we buy and shove in our mouths comes down to us ultimately. We could, if we wanted to, put them out of business.

As I mentioned, I have periodic issues with weight like most other people because of the temptations that abound. But most of the time I buy organic from local growers, eat mostly fruits, veg, seeds, nuts, whole grains, fish, and organic turkey and chicken. It’s the only way I can see living to a ripe old age without feeling like shit for most of it.

I think after all this hubub, we could use some Rush. Or even Tesh. Now, where would one go to get some of those otherworldy tunes?

Well, yeah, I don’t have any issue with the joke in question. I’m just sayin we gotta remember that old rule of protesting whut they just mentioned over at orcinus; Be sure your opposition is uglier/more hateful/snottier than you are.
Not that we’re really at risk, when I consider it.

Actually, losing weight is rocket science. It’s losing mass that’s the bitch.

Amen, CS.

Lesley, I’m glad you’ve got your weight sorted, and that it’s something you manage to do. There are so many factors that can keep it from being easy for people though. An example: someone who I am quite close to is very overweight. His fault? Sure. He got there on his own. He’s also diabetic (not so much his fault, it runs in his family, although the weight doesn’t help). The medication they have him on for the diabetes makes it essentially impossible for him to lose weight (the doctors told him as much). On top of that, if he tries too hard to diet he’ll totally screw up his blood sugar and end up needing medical treatment (and has). So now that he’s arrived at being overweight, he’s kind of stuck there, even though he eats pretty well and gets a fair bit of exercise. Does that stop people from being judgemental about his weight? Certainly not. The fact that he’s a big scary Hell’s Angel looking motherfucker does usually keep them pretty quiet about it though.

It’s just so hard to know what the circumstances that put someone in that situation it seems presumptuous to judge or blame them for it. It is genuinely harder for some people than others.

Guh. I hate it that this is all about fat vs. skinny, when I didn’t mean it that way.

Oh, right. Didn’t i see you on usenet once? Yeah I did.
You’ve found the whole usenet argument here, you’ve even got the ‘OMG poor people in america cant be not fat because they don’t have grocery stores’ argument.

Oh, really Lesley? You don’t think some people are more disposed to be overweight than others? I’d love to see the science you’d use to back up that argument. It is so freaking difficult for some people (including people I know quite well) to keep their weight in a healthy range, and it isn’t because they eat six Big Macs for breakfast and sit on their ass all day.

On top of that, people in America could definitely slim down on the average, but the measure they typically use to splash the “OMG AMERICANS ARE SO FAT� headlines is the BMI, which is so seriously flawed I can’t believe they even use it for anything. I actually think the percentage of “obese� Americans is grossly overestimated.

Americans really need to get out more.

Look, I’m a Leninist when it comes to this sort of thing: my aim is to wipe the floor with political enemies, because that’s damn sure what they are trying to do to me. Fuck this liberal ‘be nice and civil to all people’ shit.

I’m with HTML on this one. This guy is a dick, and his appearance is comical, and it’s not jus because he’s overweight. It is possible to be overweight and to look quite stylish. Dafyyd, with his dicky-do, Reagan Revolution T-Shirt, soul patch, Star Trek novelizations and fake Welsh name, is hideously grotesque even without the Photoshopped sandwich. Fuck being nice to this douchebag. He’s begging for it.

especially when the physical appearance is so fucking cliche like Daffy’s

Or Hugh gorging on his offaldog with those tits. Fair frickin game.

I shudder to think what the photoshopping would be like for Helen Thomas if she was on the other side – and you can’t throw tomatoes at me because I’m heading for cronedom myself. Already the kidz call me ma’am and I HATE that.

I demand that the celery issue be recognized! Fuck all this PC handwringing! All right, fine, I am linking to Lileks. Happy now? Damn!

different brad, I really appreciate your input. “Shut the fuck up�, awesome, that was great. Thanks.

If only every thread could be so concise!

Ok, put that way I agree. Well off housewives should indeed take the responsibility to learn how to feed their kids and themselves right.
But, at least in my experience, there ain’t that many fat rich people anymore. Maybe it’s just a northeast thing, but it seems to me as if obesity has a strong correlation with income these days. If I remember right there was something about that in Fast Food Nation.
I’d just say that even in the case of the well-off but stupid that the ones we should take issue with are the food producing corporations, not the folk who don’t think about how little concern those companies have for the quality of their product.
High fructose corn syrup should be flat out illegal, but that doesn’t mean it’s wrong to like soda.

“Watch what you say about taquitos”

Yeah, next thing you know, Josh Trevino will be all up in your… what’s that? “Tacitus?” Oh. Never mind.

Already the kidz call me ma’am and I HATE that.

Tell me about it. Liberals have man tits too.

If only there were a way to make fun of the evil fat people while honoring good large people…

If only there was a way I could smoke cigarettes and say the right things, I wouldn’t have to stand outside.

Not Fast Food Nation, Supersize Me!
Easy to confuse em.

Off limits: physical violence, ‘outing’; making fun of a person’s gender, national origin, sexual orientation, ethnicity, race or handicap. Everything else is fair game,….

What about wedding photos, HTML….what about wedding photos???

a different brad said,
February 28, 2007 at 9:07

Ok, put that way I agree. Well off housewives should indeed take the responsibility to learn how to feed their kids and themselves right.
But, at least in my experience, there ain’t that many fat rich people anymore.

In my experiance there aint that many fat poor people. But like i said before, Americans really need to get out more.

Yeah, especially wedding photos without anyone else identifiable in them, when the groom is wearing clothes that no self-respecting woman would allow her husband-to-be to wear on his wedding day, making a complete dork of himself with a light saber. And when there are absolutely no elements (decorations, cake, punch) in said photos that suggest it was taken at a wedding.

HTML, have you no decency?

But, at least in my experience, there ain’t that many fat rich people anymore.

There are oodles of fat middle and upper middle class people who haven’t got a clue and trust the food companies. My sister’s highly educated but she told me she’d “rather not know” what goes into the food. Weird.

(Actually, it’s amazing how many middle class people are living in these million dollar homes – I’m not one of them. I lucked out on a low rent apt in the area. The rich people live a few blocks west in the multi-million dollar homes.

HTML, have you no decency?

I’m fresh out! I had it in the back of the fridge, then Daffydd ab Hugh came over and.. BLARGH! IT IS A MYSTERY!!!!

All I was doing was pointing out that many people make stereotyped assumptions about fat folks’ character based solely on their weight. Assumptions that they themselves would decry if it were some other purely physical characteristic being made fun of.

I generally assume that people who end sentences with a preposition didn’t have a proper education, or, at the very least, my grammar teacher. I generally assume that big fat people, hanging their flab over my armrest on an airplane don’t care about themselves or others, I assume that people with silly facial hair or a mullet either dont care or don’t mind being pointed out and maybe mocked. I assume that smokers want to stand outside.
Your use of the language, your hairstyle is a choice. Fat is a choice.

Disagree? I got a school needs building and all you’ll eat is a nutritious, but somewhat bland, dahl bat diet. You will lose weight.

I should remember my experience is biased by relative youth and genetic thinness and living in nyc. I care about body issues because I’ve seen what all this weight obsession in society does to young women up close and personal and it’s fucking ridiculous. We all have natural weights. Some are thin, some are in the middle, some are fat. Trying to be thin when you’re not, or packing on many more pounds than your frame is meant to carry are both unhealthy. But that’s a whole ‘nother thing that doesn’t need to get brought up really.

Maybe it was intentional, but that’s some interesting irony you got going on there, highest order.

I’m kinda sorry I brought it up, really. The last thing I’d want to see happen is the SadNosians looking over their shoulders for fear of causing offense. That’s how comedy dies.

Before I run off to eat nine meatball sandwiches right before bed, I’ll leave you with this:

Fat jokes are an acceptable weapon for use on Teh Wingnuts, but don’t expect me not to give you the finger when you make ’em.

Fatness is not a reliable indicator of moral character, strength of will, laziness, etc.

Fat people get a lot of shit from the public generally. You’re perfectly free to stare down your nose at us for no better reason than we are fat, but just recognize that what you’re doing doesn’t help, and only adds to the sum of the misery in the world.

There is a significant minority of otherwise not-insane liberal who are virulently self-righteous and hateful to fat people. Its weird; its like they save up all the hating they don’t do based on race, gender, class, etc. and unleash it all on the fatties. This has been a puzzlement to me for years.

Oh, and Marita is totally the kind of person I want in my foxhole when the bullets fly.

Your use of the language, your hairstyle is a choice. Fat is a choice.

But when it comes to being a pompous twit, some people apparently can’t help themselves.

Oh, and Marita is totally the kind of person I want in my foxhole when the bullets fly.

Yay! At least there’s somebody on this thread I haven’t managed to alienate…

I should remember my experience is biased by relative youth and genetic thinness

I was young and skinny once. I have pictures. IT COULD HAPPEN TO YOU!

Wait … there are DOOM novels???

I feel much better now that the Loser goalposts have been moved to accommodate “Bush Loving DOOM Novel Authors.” It’s like getting a new lease on life.

I generally assume that people who end sentences with a preposition didn’t have a proper education, or, at the very least, my grammar teacher

Eat a bag of dicks, cobag.

Was that sufficiently Shavian for you, jerk-off?

“I’m not squeamish, but there’s gotta be limits. Otherwise what distinguishes us from Pam, or some hypothetical wingnut who actually knows better?”

Their heart, the person’s values and politics. Their music collection, the books they read, the nuances. I’m an out of the closet headcase who writes about psychiatric disability, and S/N is my favorite blog, what’s that say about me? I look at the heart. The day Syd Barret died, Retardo’s post told me all I need to know about him.

I know all too well that the people who actually “serve” and “treat” mental cases hide their contempt and eugenic fantasies behind a polite, correct and civil facade, which is not only transparently hypocritical, it exacerbates the psychosis of schizophrenics, who are driven insane by displays of hypocrisy, who are misfits because they can’t cope with the phony, which is why they laugh “inappropriately” when others are “sad” and so forth.

Being an asshole is part of being human, and anyone who anxiously denies their own nasty dark side will oppress others with it. I’m more offended when someone walks on tacks around me about making crazy people jokes, fuck them for assuming I can’t take it or enjoy a good laugh at my own condition.

Tough life, baby, armor up!

I generally assume that people who end sentences with a preposition didn’t have a proper education, or, at the very least, my grammar teacher

Punchline to old joke: “Where’s the library at, asshole?”

You’re perfectly free to stare down your nose at us for no better reason than we are fat, but just recognize that what you’re doing doesn’t help, and only adds to the sum of the misery in the world

Oh quit your whining. Youre fat, get on a diet. Get some exercise, stop cluttering up the aisles with your giant ass, stop hogging the healthcare services. Go stand outside with the smokers until you are ready to fit in with society,

Your use of the language, your hairstyle is a choice. Fat is a choice.

But when it comes to being a pompous twit, some people apparently can’t help themselves.

Now see that hurts. You are e.

‘You are e’, heh.
Sorry, what I meant to say was how hurt i was that you would stereotype me for my pompous twittery. After all, it isn’t like i can help myself.

I generally assume that people who end sentences with a preposition didn’t have a proper education, or, at the very least, my grammar teacher.

I generally assume that big fat people, hanging their flab over my armrest on an airplane don’t care about themselves or others,

I generally assume that airplane seats are deliberately made as small as possible, so as to cram in the maximum number of bodies. At least in cattle class.

I assume that people with silly facial hair or a mullet either dont care or don’t mind being pointed out and maybe mocked.

I generally assume that people with silly hair or silly clothes or silly makeup either like the look themselves and don’t care, in which case I’m glad for ’em; or really, really, really want to belong to some social grouping defined by that style, in which case they’re emotionally fragile and don’t need extra scorn; or they’ve given up trying to fit in with societal expectations of how they should look and just dress how they want to, in which case I applaud them.

I can’t imagine any circumstances where I’ve felt entitled to comment adversely on someone’s appearance, at least not since I was a teenager.

I assume that smokers want to stand outside.

Yes, we like the fresh air and the lack of child-based conversation.

Your use of the language, your hairstyle is a choice. Fat is a choice.

Like all other things, language, hairstyle, weight etc are all impacted in some way by our genes, our environment, our status, our class, and so on and so forth. One really can’t go about bleating “Thin good, fat baaaad” in such a simplistic way.

Oh, and Marita is totally the kind of person I want in my foxhole when the bullets fly.

I’m completely with kingubu.

Rats rats rattity rats. I closed that damn tag!

I generally assume that people who end sentences with a preposition didn’t have a proper education

Seriously, when were you educated? This Latin-based grammatical shibboleth has been debunked for a long time. You’re making assumptions out of arrogance and ignorance — a combination that does not inspire confidence. Also, someone who punctuates “you’re” without an apostrophe has some nerve lecturing people on usage. In a just and perfect world I would crush you under my giant ass.

I feel much better now that the Loser goalposts have been moved to accommodate “Bush Loving DOOM Novel Authors.� It’s like getting a new lease on life.

Yah, no matter how sssscrofulent I may be, there are others who are worse. Thank you, god! Thank you, baby jebus!

Being an asshole is part of being human, and anyone who anxiously denies their own nasty dark side will oppress others with it. I’m more offended when someone walks on tacks around me about making crazy people jokes, fuck them for assuming I can’t take it or enjoy a good laugh at my own condition.

Errr, not exactly. We can all feel like an asshole: our choice comes in what we do about it. I’ve decided I have certain values, and I try to act in accord with them, no matter how tempted I am to act like a nasty, vicious little teenager.

Viz the tactful-around-crazy-people thing, I’m divided on that. While I’m not schizophrenic, I do have other problems. And while I love that my friends feel comfortable making crazy people jokes, because they know me and care about me, I hate that strangers do it, because they know fuck-all and use those jokes to make themselves feel superior.

I think in the larger picture, this issue about not criticising people because of their physical traits (and yes, mental illness has physical components, in neurochemistry), is sensible. Physical aspects are either outside a person’s control, or immaterial in any logical discourse.

Excuse me, enough pretentious twittery. I have to go chase a spider.

I should remember my experience is biased by relative youth and genetic thinness and living in nyc.

Well la dee da, it’s Breakfast at Tiffany’s for adifferentbrad. Har!

There is a significant minority of otherwise not-insane liberal who are virulently self-righteous and hateful to fat people.

Now that right there sounds wingnuttyish. You got stats on this “significant minority”? I have yet to meet a political liberal who singles out or openly mocks overweight people.

Though I’ve gotten the stick in this thread for suggesting that people take responsibility for what they eat, you’d never catch me berating or lecturing a person about their weight.

CS Lewis Jr. said,

Seriously, when were you educated? This Latin-based grammatical shibboleth has been debunked for a long time. You’re making assumptions out of arrogance and ignorance — a combination that does not inspire confidence. Also, someone who punctuates “you’re� without an apostrophe has some nerve lecturing people on usage. In a just and perfect world I would crush you under my giant ass.

Dude, are you and the guy who cant figure out simple html tags going to let me troll you all evening? Cuz i got other things to do.
Look, lets just leave it at this- So you’re fat, and youre embarassed about it. Go on a diet, exercise, its really not that difficult.

flawedplan- I didn’t mean be pc or anything, tho I didn’t specify. I’m not even sure I’d always hold to all the limits HTML mentioned, generally accepted as they are.
I’m just saying, or meaning to say, is that to me the limit was well expressed by something one of the SN! folk, I forget who, said about them not being hunched over their computers pounding the keyboard in anger, but laughing as they’re writing. When you find yourself getting caught up in trying to get, say, Patterico to get it, it’s time for a break.
I’ve sure needed em and I’m a rank amateur at this. Lord knows what the pros go through.

I generally assume that people who end sentences with a preposition didn’t have a proper education, or, at the very least, my grammar teacher.

I assume that smokers want to stand outside.

I assume anyone who criticizes an error based on a rule that doesn’t exist in a situation where that rule wouldn’t apply and then proceeds to make that same error a few sentences later is a colossal douche.

I burned more calories laughing in this one post than all the walking I did today.

SadlyNo! Make it part of your daily weight loss plan.

Oof. Mangled grammar plus empty Stone IPA 40 means bedtime.

Penh said,
February 28, 2007 at 10:30

I assume anyone who criticizes an error based on a rule that doesn’t exist in a situation where that rule wouldn’t apply and then proceeds to make that same error a few sentences later is a colossal douche.

My grammar teacher didnt smoke. So how do you feel about fat people?

Is it OK to do this?

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/ 1…_bc0ccd60c5.jpg

Oh, crap. I copied that link from a haloscan window.

It’s just a photoshop of MM as a duck.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/148/405439181_bc0ccd60c5.jpg

I don’t even have to photoshop highestorder as a dick because he is one.

My grammar teacher didnt smoke. So how do you feel about fat people?

Now see, if your grammar teacher had been a smoker, you would have been partially immune from criticism, so keep that in mind the next time you’re thinking of tossing a smoker into a wood chipper. As for how I feel about fat people, my boyfriend is overweight, and he’s much more snuggly because of it, so I have to say I definitely approve of feeling him. I haven’t felt too many other fat people, so I can’t judge them as a group.

Lesley:

There are oodles of fat middle and upper middle class people who haven’t got a clue and trust the food companies. My sister’s highly educated but she told me she’d “rather not know� what goes into the food. Weird.

Well, after having read The Jungle and Fast Food Nation I can understand that impulse…

Dude, are you and the guy who cant figure out simple html tags going to let me troll you all evening? Cuz i got other things to do.

May I suggest learning to spell?

Seriously, who cares what Ampersand has to say? Ampland doesn’t allow comments from anyone who doesn’t agree with everything they say. Ampersand clearly doesn’t believe that obesity causes health problems, which makes him/her really hostile to science. Abyss2Hope thinks false rape accusations are a net good thing and never hurt anyway. They are whacked out insane over there. It’s not shocking they’d find pro-torture beliefs to be acceptable but photoshopping a sub into a scumbags hands to be beyond the pale.

There are people who advocate abstinence as the answer to sexually-transmitted diseases and unwanted pregnancy… and for that advice, we ridicule them mercilessly. Seems to me that the desire to put food in one’s mouth and swallow it is even more of a biological imperative than sex, and simply advising will-power and self-control and abstinence is even less likely to work.

That comment seems too serious… imagine that it is signed by one of the kitties, and maybe it’ll sound better.

That comment seems too serious… imagine that it is signed by one of the kitties, and maybe it’ll sound better.

Thank you, Herr Doktor. I and my sister Luschka have both regurgitated our dinner in your honour.

What the hell happened here? Why all of the apologizing and clarifying of sentiment? The backbiting among basically like-minded people? Jeez, I guess ones’ weight really is a sore sticking point these days. My two cents as a mildly overweight person who has a unapologetic fondness for stinky spreadable cheese- guys, quit it. The argument that this guy was an idiot had already been made, and it degenerated into a let’s-have-fun about the visual dork factor. It’s not the high road, but you don’t have to beat yourselves up about it, either.

Fat jokes are fine. Unhinged ranting about fat people not so much

Lesley, the basic problem with your anti-fat diatribes is that if we exclude the can’t-get-through-a-door seriously obese, there’s no automatic correlation between weight and health. i know fat people that are far healthier and far fitter than most skinny people, and skinny people who are a headcold away from death. You can’t make judgements about most people’s health purely on their weight. You obviously have other issues. I think this is the nub of it:

“I think what bugs me most is the “fat is beautifulâ€? message. Fat is not beautiful”

it’s pretty obvious why you don’t like fat people. it’s purely aesthetic. you just think fat people are ugly and you don’t want to have to look at them. That’s your choice, but at least be honest about it. I’m glad you admit that looks trump everything else includiong health, but it does undermine your case somewhat. and anyway, “Fat is beautiful” is a lot less pervasive and less damaging than the “anorexic junkie is beautiful” equivalent.

“I poke plenty of fun at myself when I gain extra pounds that make me feel horrible in and out of my clothes.”

Ah. I see. a self-hating fat person. It all makes sense now. You know, not all fat people hate their bodies, not all fat people ritually humiliate themselves when they’re a stone overweight and not all fat people whine endlessly and make constant excuses. Most of them just get on with their lives. the fact that you seem unable to pass a fat person without shrieking “Freak!” just shows what a nosy self-righteous dick you are. You’re just projecting and there’s no excuse for dumping your externalised self-loathing on other people. deal with it yourself.

“The solution (to my 15 pounds over, periodically) is simply to cut certain foods out of my diet and use portion control. I also keep a food diary during such times because it’s so easy to forget what you’ve had.”

If you want to live like that fine, but it sounds pretty joyless to me. I’m sure a lot of people would rather be fat than calorie count every day, and you can hardly blame them.

“I’m not running around horsewhipping fat people on the street for God’s sake”

call it the soft bigotry of low expectations if you think you deserve a medal.

Oh boy. You don’t need to defend yourself. I can’t believe what genuine extreme emotions this has led too.

Ab Hugh’s weight isnt really what makes the picture funny. It’s the awkwardness, the ill-fitting clothes, the belt pulled too tight under his gut, the scraggly moustache and the vacant expression. He looks exactly the way we all imagined. Like a roleplaying nerd. It’s Glenn Reynolds with his greasy hair and ill fitting polyester suits and Tacitus with his lightsabre. We made jokes for years about wingnuts being emotionally stunted overcompensating Risk-obsessed geek. and its turns out its true. Every macho hypermasculine war-crazy wingnut is a pussy (except of course totally killer martial arts ninja warrior avenger Vox Day). If Hugh was scary-fat like Boo-Yaa Tribe or Giant Haystacks it wouldnt have worked. as it is he’s just slack.

ahem “emotionally stunted overcompensating Risk-obsessed geekS”

*ahem* yet again. D and D for me. Think of me whatever you want.

[…] wrong, I don’t know who’s right, and who cares just so long as it gives rise to comments like this: Jillian […]

Losing weight is actually very simple, but it does take effort. It may be unpleasant and a drag, but it isn’t rocket science. It just requires a little sacrifice and discipline.

Though I’ve gotten the stick in this thread for suggesting that people take responsibility for what they eat, you’d never catch me berating or lecturing a person about their weight.

Gee, Lesley, how comforting for a gross fat person like myself to know that you’ll save your judgmental comments until my back is turned. How very… white of you. Or something.

Herr Dokter Bimmler is correct; there is a considerable and vocal subset of Correct-Thinking Progressives who use food as a metaphor for their own anxieties the same way Right-Thinking Conservatives use sex: It’s a human failing that should be indulged only within rigorous guidelines. Individuals who visibly fail to restrict themselves properly deserve to be scorned, abused, and/or punished for their “sins”, and any proliferation of such human failures (whether fat people, with or without Type II diabetes, or single mothers/homosexuals, with or without AIDS) is evidence of social breakdown.

And, in my experience, people who spend time judging the contents of other peoples’ shopping carts end up with the same cats-bum effect around their food holes as people who spend time judging the activities in other peoples’ bedrooms — it ain’t a flattering effect in either case.

Kingbu, Marita, I would be honored to share a foxhole with either or both of you. Of course, if you’re like me, it would have to be a very large foxhole, but then we’d have Qetesh and the other cats to share it with, because cats mostly prefer fat people (we make the best cat mattresses).

I was going to say “there’s nowt wrong with roleplaying” but D&D? brrrrr. that made me think twice. I think Ab Hugh’s probably more of a Warhammer 40k man though, so everyone can feel superior to him.

WRT the martini glass in the picture – it appears from other photos at the source of all our mirth and amusement that the martini was the property (very important to Randians) of his co-author Brad Lineweaver:

http://www.karlhessclub.org/m2005/Everling,%20Linaweaver,%20Dafydd%20ad%20Hugh.jpg

Where can I see the pic of Tacitus with the light saber? Is it still around? Sounds funny as hell.

Me, I’m only too happy to mock Daffffyd for his fake Welshness. Fakedy fake fake Welshman. Probably thinks Wales is something that swims in the ocean.

OK, and his extreeeeeeeeeme nerd credentials. What a prat.

Found it. It *is* funny:

http://static.firedoglake.com/2007/02/tackyhelmet.jpg

I think Hugh’s mother was welsh. assuming he had a mother of course and isnt the product of some hideous genetic experiment to merge the genes of Tom Selleck and Bernard Manning.
I’m surprised no-one’s ever brought up the anti-semitism card when people criticise Hugh. or has he been excommunicated by Dennis Prager?

icho- notice something about the way women approach you?

“I’m fresh out! I had it in the back of the fridge, then Daffydd ab Hugh came over and.. BLARGH! IT IS A MYSTERY!!!!”

That reminds me Retardo. When are you going do give us another installment of Wingnuts In Party Hats? It’s been literally years. Throw us a bone for fuck sake

My thanks to Marita, ichomobothogogus, and others for bringing some sense to this argument. I was so skinny as a child, I was constantly informed I was “going to dry up and blow away.” Then I hit puberty–and WHAM. Ever since, I have been overweight.

It didn’t matter that for six years, I was the second-fastest runner in my USAF squadron’s annual fitness test; everyone–including doctors–spoke to me as if they assumed I spent every waking moment drinking mayonnaise and trying to avoid movement at all costs. Yes, assholes, I have, in fact, tried eating less and exercising more. I ran a mile and a half five days a week and ate strictly according to the Food Pyramid (as it existed at the time). I eventually hit my target weight, but the belly-and-chin fat stayed–after a certain point I found I was losing MUSCLE tissue instead. I was exhausted all the time, and caught every bug that came down the road. I was following all the rules, and it was making me sick. And crazy with hunger.

You know what finally worked? Atkins. The “scam” that was “going to kill (me)” helped me drop the weight, drop my cholesterol, and solved so many of my assorted gastrointestinal (and other) problems. While everyone’s still desperate to pretend Atkins is a scam, the whole Glycemic Index concept has been validated repeatedly and carb-reduction (carb elimination was NEVER an Atkins concept, in spite of Lewis Black’s eye-rolling and sneering) is being quietly accepted.

Nevertheless, fools will always regurgitate the “one-solution-fits-all” nonsense when it comes to pissing on fat people. It’s the easiest route for a know-nothing who needs to feel superior.

er…the same way men approach me as far as i can tell

He looks exactly the way we all imagined. Like a roleplaying nerd.

Hey, now!

*ahem* yet again. D and D for me. Think of me whatever you want.

I am now certain that Shana is totally hawt, whatever his or her weight. So there!

I was going to say “there’s nowt wrong with roleplaying� but D&D? brrrrr. that made me think twice.

Oh, come on. Not all of us play Third Edition.

I think Ab Hugh’s probably more of a Warhammer 40k man though, so everyone can feel superior to him.

[Opens mouth to complain further]

[Closes mouth thoughtfully]

Okay, now you’ve made a good point.

Hey Happenstance –

Good for you in getting control over your weight. I’ve always been the genetic anomaly, a skinny guy in a chubby family, so I (kinda) know how you feel. Also I’m an NCO in the Army, so I deal with people all the time who come up “fat” per the Army’s weight-control regs but who are actually in quite good shape (my motto: if you can pass a PT test with at least 70% in each event, you aren’t fat no matter what your tape says – I will find a way to get you under the reg without negative consequences).

But I think HTML said it best above:

My only point is one I harp on all the time — civility vs. decency. Ampersand can link to the supremely indecent, but refuses to link to the uncivil. This is fat-acceptance gone wild, where how one addresses psychos who happen to be overweight (and living cliches at that) trumps ..well, shit that really matters.

Being perfectly aware that some people with less-than-perfect physiques can pass military physical fitness tests, I can accept that, and I often cheat in their favor to keep them out of the Army’s infamous “weight control program.” That said, I think that the pics of this Dafytdd ab Huge guy are hilarious. Sorry.

mmm….atkins. Lets all go to bed.

I think Ab Hugh’s probably more of a Warhammer 40k man though, so everyone can feel superior to him.

Hey buddy, my Chaos Space Marines can kick the shit out of your crappy little elves any day!

And 3d Edition D&D pwns 2d edition!

I play every edition, because Dand D, while my lame magic friends decided that was better, were WRONG. So there.

“Fat” is a word only those of us who deal with the issue on a day-to-day basis can legitimately use–the rest of you should say something more respectful, like “horizontally challanged” . . .

It doesn’t really matter. I wonder why this is a subject here?

And 3d Edition D&D pwns 2d edition!

Oh, now it’s on. Better armor class is higher? WTF?

Heck, I think THAC0 is an innovation of the Devil [clutches 1st Edition books to chest protectively].

And Daffydd ab Hugh is a vicious, stupid fuckwit, and would be a vicious, stupid fuckwit even if he were svelte. Before there were Intertubes, Daffy was cluelessly flaming people on GEnie. Age has not brought wisdom.

Stop making all these apologies!

HTML wrote:

Off limits: physical violence, ‘outing’; making fun of a person’s gender, national origin, sexual orientation, ethnicity, race or handicap. Everything else is fair game, including physical appearance — especially when the physical appearance is so fucking cliche like Daffy’s.

If you don’t mind my asking, HTML, what’s your criteria for deciding which traits go into “off limits” and which traits go into “fair game”?

By making fun of Daffyd ab Hugh, we’re not blanketly attacking all fat people the world over.

For the record, it’s not making fun of ab Hugh I object to; it’s that you make fun of him being fat, and do so with anti-fat stereotypes.

It seems to me that you could use this sort of special-pleading to excuse making fun of any of “off limits” traits. “By making fun of Michelle Malkin with stereotypes about asians, we’re not blanketly attacking all Asian people the world over.” What’s the difference?

* * *

Kingbu, Marita, Anne, y’all seem smart and sweet and I like what you’re saying, but I don’t want to be in a foxhole. Foxholes are dirty and lack climate control and people shoot at you. Couldn’t we meet at a nice restaurant instead? I know this great Korean place.

* * *

I’m not going to respond to all of the “anyone can stop being fat if they choose to” nonsense here, but this post explains in detail why I don’t think that’s true in any useful fashion.

Fat is a choice.

Yup. And I’ll choose the company of fat people over self-righteous assholes any day of the week.

you still haven’t explained why making fun of fat people = worse than advocating mass murder (and using the term bilious)

And yet, the United States leads the world in both obesity and Type II diabetes.

So, taking at face value the assertion that weight-loss diets aren’t worthwhile… what is?

Because the facts also demonstrate clearly that “nurture” plays a ginormous role in the prevalence of overweight in this country.

Also, the anecdotal evidence (people make fun of fat people) also shows us that the making-fun has no efficacy, since making fun of fat people is an epidemic in this nation (apparently) right along with obesity and Type II diabetes.

If obesity cannot be resolved through weight-loss diets, what are overweight folks who don’t want to be overweight anymore supposed to do? Resign themselves to it?

Lastly, since overweight seems to be at some level a self (or culture) inflicted problem… I’d say that makes it just a little different than, say, race. YMMV.

For the record, it’s not making fun of ab Hugh I object to; it’s that you make fun of him being fat, and do so with anti-fat stereotypes.

Which again brings us back around to how “anti-fat stereotypes” are grounds for not linking, while advocacy for torture and concentration camps are just fucking fine-and-dandy. So shove your oh-so-tearjerking sanctimony. And I mean that in a nice way.

Hey! Michael Moore Al Gore is fat! Ha!

Hey, look! It’s one of those liberal circular firing squads I keep hearing about!!!1!

(Why do [del] tags not work? Why is there no preview button? Why do I feel like I’ve wandered into another long-running inside joke? Pfeh. THIS is why Sadly, No! will never be on MY blogroll. Not that I have one. But.)

you still haven’t explained why making fun of fat people = worse than advocating mass murder (and using the term bilious)

I have a vague memory of some author I like using the term bilious (Vidal?), but I can’t remember specifically what it was.

Regarding my linkage to Volokh and whatsisname, what can I say? You got me. The truth is, I don’t use my blogroll as a measure of any merit besides “this is interesting enough to me that I want to read it occasionally.” Furthermore, I hate it when people use blogrolling as a reward for virtue, or demand delinkings as a method of enforcing moral compliance or whatever.

So yeah, the way I put my criticism was stupid. I was writing fast and trying to be a little tongue-in-cheek, but instead I just made myself into a hypocrite on the whole blogrolling issue. Point well taken.

That said, I still think that the Sadly No! post I linked to was stupid, and that using lame anti-fat mockery to make fun of right-wingers is both needlessly hurtful and missing the point.

Celery? Surely Dafydd should be grasping an inflatable sheep.

truly, this has been a thread for the ages.

Well Ampersand, you’re 126 comments smarter than Tacky and Instahack.

I generally assume that people who end sentences with a preposition didn’t have a proper education

Kingsley Amis from The King’s English:

“This is one of those fancied prohibitions (compare SPLIT INFINITIVE) dear to ignorant snobs. In this case they should be disregarded, and they mostly are, thought the occasional stylistic derangement may suggest that a writer here and there still feels its force. It is natural and harmless in English to use a preposition to end a sentence with. As Fowler famously observed, ‘The power of saying … People worth talking to instead of People with whom it is worth while to talk is not one to be lightly surrendered.’ This time idiom and common sense have triumphed over obscurantism.”

Yeah, them fat people, hey what? What a buncha lazy slobs.

And while we’re at it, how ’bout them lazy poor people? I swear I am so sick of seein’ them everywhere I go. If they would just get a job and stop havin’ so many babies and keep their lawn nice, then everyone would be nice to them too and they’d have nothin’ to complain about.

Beauty is subjective, but prejudice is prejudice, folks. These right-wingers do plenty that is abominable, legitimately criticizable–and mockable–without stooping to stereotypes that function to keep good people down.

But I’m not sure what anyone else expects from a context where words like “pussy,” “cunt,” and “skank” get thrown around like they have any meaning in a “progressive” context.

kingubu & Marita — are your faces blue yet?

Yup. And I’ll choose the company of fat people over self-righteous assholes any day of the week.

What a conundrum in the picture above!

Ampersand- You make some good points, and this is coming from the guy who wrote the original piece. I will respond in more detail later.

fairy nuff

“Eat a bag of dicks, cobag.”

This is offensive to dick eaters who suffer constant societal humiliation. Try walking through the mall while eating a bag of dicks and see what kind of response you get. And making fun of colostomy patients is hatefully uncivil.

That’s it, kingubu is OFF the blogroll!

I think Ab Hugh’s probably more of a Warhammer 40k man though, so everyone can feel superior to him.

Iron Crown’s Rolemaster. Definitely. Roll your dice and inflict very specific damage, such as “Blow to side of foe’s face. If foe has no helm, you crush his skull. If foe has helm, you knock him out for 4 hours. +20 hits.”

I’m not making that up.

I was wondering where 135+ comments could come from here, and lo and behold, it’s all about fatty jokes.

To quote Shecky Greene’s character from “History of the World Pt. I” — “Get off the fat jokes! Get off fat!!!”

Crap, that was Ron Carey as Swiftus, and not Shecky Greene. This stupid flu is corrupting my precious memories.

Well Ampersand, you’re 126 comments smarter than Tacky and Instahack.

I don’t understand what this means, but I thank you anyway. (Maybe once I’m 200 comments smarter than them I’ll get it?)

And Brad R, thank you as well. I’ll look forward to reading your response.

That’s a lot of celery. Will this nutcake be switching to pitchers of Bloody Mary’s?

In my experiance there aint that many fat poor people.

I see dozens every day. I teach at a middle school in a poor neighborhood and many, many of our kids are fat. Some have the bodies of middle-aged people at age 12. They eat crap (much of it served by the school itself), and they go hungry for long periods of time which leads to a really screwed up metabolism. In some cases this is made worse because the parents aren’t around to watch what their kids eat because they’re too busy at their second or third jobs – or looking for a second or third job. Thanks to NCLB we’ve had to cut lunch hours and other breaks down to make room for more instruction (on how to take tests, usually). I shudder to think of the future health problems for these kids.

Gavin, I agree with all that the celery is awesome. HOWEVER — teh awesomest would be the leek.

1) The leek is the symbol of St. Daffyd — patron saint of Wales.
2) Leeks are hilarious.

Oh, or not Gavin. Whoever is responsible for the celery!

I still don’t understand how Daffy’s retardation makes me overwight?

“Eat a bag of dicks, cobag.�

But it’ll make me fatter…(sob).

mmm…fresh hot Dicks!

http://www.ddir.com

I was in the produce department. I was gonna take two tomatos and an onion, but first I had to take a leek…

mikey

2) Leeks are hilarious.

Now that’s exactly the kind of thinking that started the whole Valerie Plame flap.

Peace and vegetable rights, man.

Is it off limits to say I like Art Frahm, and his two delicious obsessions? Celery and loose undergarments.

He must have killed himself over the advances in elastic banding.

mikey, lettuce just say we agree to disagree, shallot we? Beets arguing. I do not carrot all for people who pepper their comments with the lichen. I have lentil-erance for spinach behavior. It makes my melon hurt. I don’t want to start a rhubarb. Peas stop, or someone will turnip with cauliflower ear.

Lesley: I have been a vegetarian since 1972, I don’t step foot into fast food places, I don’t eat fried food. And I am fat. so fuck off.

mikey:
Likes – Reading, Writing, Music, Cooking, Baking, Chatting over Cocktails.

Dislikes – Walking, Running, Picking Up Heavy Shit, Anything that Makes me Sweat that does not include an orgasm.

Body Profile – Somewhat Oval, Fairly Squishy, Opposite of “Chisled”.

So What? Doesn’t make me a bad person…

Halitosis on the other hand. That is some nasty shit…

mikey

billy: Kale me now. I yam no longer interested in living after your comment. Life is so chard right now. But I have bean having trouble deciding whether to squash myself under a bus, artichoke myself with a tuber Cheez Wiz.

Oh, don’t mind me. I’m just a bit cress-fallen. I’ll feel better if I go out and punch a Swede.

Wow, S,N! is like the only blog NOT on Ampersand’s blogroll.

Well, mine’s not on there, either. Go figure.

There are plenty of places to hang out on the intertubes if you’re an easily offended, pearl-clutching type. Some of us think the picture of Daffyyd with the big sandwich is freaking hilarious. Maybe that makes us bad people, I don’t know. But it’s why I come here. I enjoy being mean to wingnuts. I enjoy ridiculing them and making fun of them in any way possible. Dafyyd ab Hugh is a fucking clown, and deserves no respect and no kid gloves treatment.

Personally, I think the giant-sub photoshop would have been funny even if Dafydd ab-whatsit was perfectly height-weight proportionate.

Now maybe y’all could photoshop him with the ballerina on the Ampersand link . . . KIDDING!

Why are we wasting all this time talking about the appropriateness of fat jokes. The guy changed his name to “Dafydd ab Hugh” fer cryin’ out loud. He could look like Brad Pitt and still be a pretentious twit!

[…] No, really. Fat fat fatty fatty fatty fat fat. […]

Ampersand and kingubu must have never been exposed to contemporary western humor.

Scratch Jackie Gleason, Simpsons, Family Guy, South Park, Rickles, Lampanelli, Roseanne, Joan Rivers, Louie Anderson and Cosby. And that’s just off the top of my head. Too many fat jokes, so they’re all off the blogroll!

I’m not running around horsewhipping fat people on the street for God’s sake
Am I a bad person for imagining that as a reality TV show?

Eat, I pray you: will you have some more sauce to your leek? there is not enough leek to swear by.

Hey hey hey!

This is why PC is a bad idea in general.
Nobody has the same standards on the left, let alone across spectrums.
I’ve been called a misogynist here for having no problem using the word cunt, yet this time I’m on the properly PC side and sayin fat people need love, too.
Not that I care whether anybody thinks I pass their progressivity litmus test, but sheesh. You can’t bitch about someone being mean to women by using words you don’t like then shout “fattie fattie fat fat fat”.

What would be really funny is if HTML could Photoshop a picture of Josh Trevino holding a conscience.

I just came in to see why on earth this post had so many comments… er, am I really the only person on Sadly, No! that also reads feminist blogs? They have this argument like once a WEEK over at Feministe.

Yeah, Jigga, but they don’t do the nifty Photoshoppin’, or attract the wacked out trolls like Pasty and Annie. You don’t have to go through their pst every wee, once every other month usually works.

I will bet anyone 50 bucks that Daffyd is not fat due to genetics.

Ampersand and kingubu must have never been exposed to contemporary western humor.

Nope, too busy sticking my head in bucket after bucket of fine McTacoBell cuisine, evidently. Look, as I’ve said before, I’m not the one with my knickers in a twist over a stupid joke, but I guess you missed that part.

Incidentally, Gleason, Rickles, Rivers, Louie Anderson, Cosby… contemporary? Yep, you’ve got yer hoof on the pulse of Teh Funny, GoatBoy, no doubt about it. Me, I’m a big Aristophanes fan. Now that’s some cutting-edge shit, yo.

King Ubu, your name is a fat joke.

King Ubu, your name is a fat joke.

Thanks, Bubba, I never knew that. You know your’s is a redneck joke, right? Just so you know.

Jesus H Toadlicking Christ, how many times do I have to say that I’m not the fucking PC Joke Police before it sinks in?

Goodness. And speak of the devil — tomorrow is St. David’s day, when the Welsh wear leeks on their lapels (no joke). GIVE THE MAN HIS LEEK.

Nope, too busy sticking my head in bucket after bucket of fine McTacoBell cuisine, evidently. Look, as I’ve said before, I’m not the one with my knickers in a twist over a stupid joke, but I guess you missed that part.

It just seemed like you had your knickers in a twist when you wrote this.

tomorrow is St. David’s day, when the Welsh wear leeks on their lapels
What kind of a freckin’ national day is that? I mean —
St Pat’s Day: Guinness.
St Andrew’s Day: Hmm, whisky.
St David’s Day… methyglyn?!
Wearing a leek on your lapel is a poor consolation, if you only have spiced mead as a way of getting trolleyed.

“. ..So we went to Shelbyville. I was wearing a leek on my lapel, which was the style at the time. The trolley cost a nickel, which had a picture of a bee on it, so we called ’em bees. Gimme five bees for a quarter, we’d say….Where was I?”

Regarding my linkage to Volokh and whatsisname, what can I say? You got me. The truth is, I don’t use my blogroll as a measure of any merit besides “this is interesting enough to me that I want to read it occasionally.� Furthermore, I hate it when people use blogrolling as a reward for virtue, or demand delinkings as a method of enforcing moral compliance or whatever.

So yeah, the way I put my criticism was stupid. I was writing fast and trying to be a little tongue-in-cheek, but instead I just made myself into a hypocrite on the whole blogrolling issue. Point well taken.

And that was my point. It’s fine if you think our take on Daffy was stupid and wrong. Really. But what’s not fine is if you think a fat joke is more morally egregious than… what Trevino and Volokh and Daffy do. When ‘fat-acceptance’ gets to that point of be-all end-all moral crusades, I’m gonna think you’re a crackpot.

‘Look, there’s Charlie Manson!’

‘I’m sorry, but when you jaywalked to point Charlie out, you completely lost me. Actually, you’re no better than Charlie; I hate you both.’

Your use of the language, your hairstyle is a choice. Fat is a choice.

I will never be able to sport a decent afro. Thanks for in-rubbing that painful fact and for making me as though I’m to blame. *sob*

“making me feel as though.” That was also not a choice.

Ah yes, its appearance was inevitable: “being fat does to have a massive impact on health–there’s Type II Diabetes! And Type II Diabetes! And don’t forget Type II Diabetes!!!!!”

But, anyway, you have to admit the cost-benefit analysis is unassailable–it’s definitely worth creating tens of thousands of anorexics every year as in order to create (extremely ineffective) disincentives against a marginally increased risk of Type II Diabetes.

it’s pretty obvious why you don’t like fat people. it’s purely aesthetic. you just think fat people are ugly and you don’t want to have to look at them. That’s your choice, but at least be honest about it. I’m glad you admit that looks trump everything else includiong health, but it does undermine your case somewhat.

Oh, come on, I’m sure everyone making this arguments scrutinizes the health choices of complete strangers just as carefully when they’re thin!

“Incidentally, Gleason, Rickles, Rivers, Louie Anderson, Cosby… contemporary? Yep, you’ve got yer hoof on the pulse of Teh Funny, GoatBoy, no doubt about it. Me, I’m a big Aristophanes fan. Now that’s some cutting-edge shit, yo.”

The first sentence thought it had a point. The following sentence refuted that point. The third sentence was offensively racist and you’re off my blogroll! (Try walking through the mall with a cutting edge some time and see the reception you get.)

Not my fault you think history turns in VH-1 clip show intervals. And here I’d call you fatty in a meta-irony thing that you wouldn’t get, except that you wouldn’t get it, yo.

…can convince people to act against their interests—as in the artwork on the album’s back cover, depicting a family whose father says, “I spend most of our money on myself so that I can stay fat,” while the mother and children declare, “We’re grateful for his leftovers.”

Incidentally, HTML Mencken, I for one prefer that image of Daffydd ab Hugh with photoshopped extras, if you insist on using it. Celery, leek, sub… any of these will do to distract me — because otherwise I can’t help noticing that his chin resembles a dog’s bollocks, and it puts me off my coffee.

floridasally said,

Lesley: I have been a vegetarian since 1972, I don’t step foot into fast food places, I don’t eat fried food. And I am fat. so fuck off.

These remarks are off the wall funny.
a) I never suggested a vegetarian diet. b) I’m not a vegetarian c) I know plenty of fat vegetarians. They overindulge in refined carbohydrates.

What DO you eat, veggieperson? The veggies aren’t making you fat, so list foods that aren’t green. And be honest. There’s plenty of non-meat, non-fried fattening foods. So you sit on your ripe stupid ass eating cake. Even if it’s low in fat, it’s high in calories. Or do you look at the labels?

Make me laugh some more but don’t tell me it’s your genes. It’s very likely not.

Here’s what I’ve learned from this thread. Judging fat is bad, period. Fat people can’t help it, they are born that way, even if they weren’t. Food has nothing to do with fat, fat is some mysterious ailment like…any other ailment you decide is mysterious like lung cancer when you’re a smoker. The food companies are responsible for what people eat. Fat is beautiful, it’s all in how you look at it. If you have a negative thought about fat, you’ve got a problem and you’re a bad person.

That said, go ahead and ridicule stupid republican fat because…well, it may be uncivil but being uncivil is a far sight less egregious than than being a genocide-loving moron. (which I agree with btw. I agree with everything HTML said in his defense. – what I find amusing are the fat-sensitive people who want to knife me for my opinions about excess fat on the bod and at the same tell everyone not to apologize for ridiculing a fat neocon.)

I’m still waiting for my goddamn Bloody Mary!!

Otherwise, what’s the point to all of that damned celery?

Wow! My comment stuck, but that’s some fucked up error message shit, yo…

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Umm, am I on some kind of watchlist or something?

Well, I guess we know that burning straw doesn’t make you fat…

Wow, Lesley. You are truly spectacularly judgemental. Why, you have all the answers to the country’s weight problems? Those horrible lazy over-indulgent fat people sure could learn from you.

By the way, does this sound familiar?

Herr Dokter Bimmler is correct; there is a considerable and vocal subset of Correct-Thinking Progressives who use food as a metaphor for their own anxieties the same way Right-Thinking Conservatives use sex: It’s a human failing that should be indulged only within rigorous guidelines. Individuals who visibly fail to restrict themselves properly deserve to be scorned, abused, and/or punished for their “sins�, and any proliferation of such human failures (whether fat people, with or without Type II diabetes, or single mothers/homosexuals, with or without AIDS) is evidence of social breakdown.

And, in my experience, people who spend time judging the contents of other peoples’ shopping carts end up with the same cats-bum effect around their food holes as people who spend time judging the activities in other peoples’ bedrooms — it ain’t a flattering effect in either case.

You have the kind of moral superiority about your “control” of your eating and weight that right-wing moralists have about their control issues about the other end of our bodies. It’s stunning to witness.

You get SO defensive when anyone questions your assumptions and your absolute belief that every body is exactly the same in terms of eating and body size. You also seem to think that your own access to organic food and fresh produce is something available to everyone in this country.

Just FYI, two individuals can consume the exact same food in identical portions and spend the exact same time per day exercising and yet have different body sizes.

As far as the commenter above who said that he/she rarely sees fat poor people, you couldn’t be more wrong. Numerous studies have shown that obesity is far more prevalent among people in poverty or near poverty than it is among the very affluent. Among the many factors at work:

– Poor people often live in neighborhoods that are not served by any full-service supermarket stocking fresh produce and fresh meat. There are many neighborhoods in inner cities that have no supermarkets at all within radii of many miles. Where do poor people shop, then? “Convenience stores” and local corner markets, which largely stock high-calorie, high-fat, high-sugar, highly processed foods.

– Processed, prepared food is often cheaper than fresh produce and fresh meat. It’s also more convenient and less time consuming for poor people who juggle multiple jobs, extensive travel on mass transit to and from work, etc.

– Children who live in poverty are far less likely to have access to safe recreation options such as playing fields, playgrounds, parks, and open spaces in which to exercise. Memberships in athletic clubs are expensive, obviously.

– Many children in poverty depend on free breakfasts and lunches at school. School meals are notoriously high in calories and low in nutrition. Many children who also attend after school programs have access only to food from vending machines, etc., after school, and may not get more healthy food when they go home at night (or any food at all).

Judgemental and moralistic bitches like Lesley are truly as hateful about fat as the anti-sex Right. I’d suggest she try some tolerance and compassion, but I doubt she’d even bother to try. She’s so convinced that she’s strong and right and fat people are weak, self-indulgent, lazy, and wrong. I’d pity her if she weren’t so hateful.

For what it’s worth, Lesley, what I found most odious about your original statement was that you apparently consider fatness to be not only unhealthy but objectively unattractive.

Actually, the other bit was the fact that you accused your critics of being embarrassed about their weight. That’s a really beautiful bit of projection there. Not everyone has a shitfit when they gain five pounds.

Finally, I can’t really disagree with your satirical statement that “judging fat is bad, period.” It really is. It doesn’t affect you. You don’t have to have sex with fat people, and their presence doesn’t mean you have to eat more. Judging people based on perceived behavior that doesn’t even have anything to do with you is a pretty good definition of “moralizing little shit.”

Fuck off and leave people to eat or not eat how they please, regardless of whether they get fat as a result. It’s really none of your fucking business.

Lesley, I’m too stupid to read labels. Because fat people are stupid right?

Why yes, I am judgemental. Like the lot of you are. Not apologizing for it though.

Oh, and btw, I see you’ve been selective about what you’ve extracted from my posts. I’m not going to bother going back and extracting the statement I made about impoverished people who have no access to nutritious food and my observations about the privileged classes.

America has a serious obesity problem that’s directly tied to convenience foods and the evolution of refined carbohydrate diets. If you want to be in denial about how that’s destroying the health of Americans go ahead. I couldn’t care less.

Sniper said,
February 28, 2007 at 18:35

I see dozens every day. I teach at a middle school in a poor neighborhood and many, many of our kids are fat. Some have the bodies of middle-aged people at age 12. They eat crap (much of it served by the school itself), and they go hungry for long periods of time which leads to a really screwed up metabolism. In some cases this is made worse because the parents aren’t around to watch what their kids eat because they’re too busy at their second or third jobs – or looking for a second or third job. Thanks to NCLB we’ve had to cut lunch hours and other breaks down to make room for more instruction (on how to take tests, usually). I shudder to think of the future health problems for these kids.

Fairly certain I wrote, “In my experience there aint that many fat poor people. But like i said before, Americans really need to get out more.”

Americans need to get out more. There’s a world of poor people doing okay without local grocery stores and McDonalds. You are a school teacher, an honourable job and i salute you, fairly sure you aint getting paid what youre worth, but you are doing it cuz you love it, yes? So step up, teach nutrition, even a middle school teacher can afford a big bag of brown rice and lentil beans. Learn them kids dahl bat.

Full disclosure- I have nothing to do with that linked website, it just came up in a search for ‘dahl bat recipe’, but, in my experience as a teacher in poor neighborhoods, there aint that many fat poor people.

No fat chicks.

Timshel said,
March 1, 2007 at 5:25

As far as the commenter above who said that he/she rarely sees fat poor people, you couldn’t be more wrong. Numerous studies have shown that obesity is far more prevalent among people in poverty or near poverty than it is among the very affluent. Among the many factors at work:…

Goddam, is reading comprehension a problem around here? Not everyone on the internets is a fat american, you know.

Djur said,
March 1, 2007 at 5:35

Finally, I can’t really disagree with your satirical statement that “judging fat is bad, period.� It really is. It doesn’t affect you.

Try sitting on an airplane next to yourself, tubby.

ahch, where that preview button at?

Seeing as how I’m on a roll offending floridasally (who still won’t list what she eats), if a cruise ship can be viewed as a microcosm of American society – with it’s all you can eat buffets and chocolate buffets at midnight, casinos, and people who would rather play at the slots than look at majestic glaciers they’ll never in their lifetime see again – I can say, having, I’m ashamed to admit, taken one, that 99.9% of the schlubs on that boat were grossly overweight. (sorry for the run on sentence…)

We met three other people who, like us, were Canadian. We Canucks looked like anorexics next to the majority. Our first night, a born-again loud mouth Republican who was 400 pounds (she told us this) sat at our table regaling us with her visions of Christ.

Whole families of huge people. Ten year olds too fat to comfortably tie their shoes. Not poor. Middle class. It’s was an eye-opener. But for them, normal. It’s normal to be fat now.

One of my boyfriends lived in a little town in California awhile back. He (and his wife at the time) were the only people in the town who weren’t obese. They felt like outcasts. It’s bizarre.

I spent some time in a third-world country. I’m of an average physique I think, with a bit of a pot building as I age, but unremarkable-looking…except in a country like that. I was a massive specimen, towering above and to the sides of a variety of skinny little things. When a shopkeeper locked me in his shop and threatened me with a knife, I just gave him a look, proceeded to work on smashing the door down and ignored him until he begged me to stop. No single individual there was a threat to this lumbering behemoth.

Anyway, along came election time, the most depressing aspect of which was that everybody walking around on the street was skinny and small while everybody in the election posters was fat.

We sure are fortunate to agonize over this shit.

One of my boyfriends lived in a little town..

heh. Urbanist slut.

Righteous Bubba said,

We sure are fortunate to agonize over this shit.

Dude! Anecdotes! I was in Istanbul one time with a girlfriend and she wanted to buy a sweater off the street and we ended up down in a basement shop with a bunch of swarthy Turkish shopkeepers who touched her, imo, (and her opinion ) inappropriately, and i was not fat but kept thinking about that movie, you know, the Turkish prison thing with Randy Quaid, so I kinda let it happen. Fortunatlely we got out of there with her pants still undone and a rather nice wool sweater, but I’ve never forgiven myself for not going all Steven Seagal on those Muslims.

Wait, what was the point again? Oh, yeah, never did see a fat poor person in Turkey.

Oh fuck, I think I just fell asleep.

Djur said,

Oh fuck, I think I just fell asleep.

Try not to drool on my tray table?

Try not to drool on my tray table?

Man, I am not only drooling on your tray table, but I am then asking whether you’re going to eat them peanuts.

Try sitting on an airplane next to yourself, tubby.

So, I am not thin. But…any girth in the airplane seat is overwhelmed by my very large shoulder width with which I have been blessed. And my seatmates find that way more annoying and intimidating than my girth, let me tell you that. One short, plump woman spent half the flight yelling at me for leaning on her when I spent the whole time Top Dead Center in my seat. I couldn’t go the other way without annoying the guy on the other side (middle seats suck).

On the other hand, I have sat with people with very wide girth. And on the whole, I find it a way more pleasant experience than sitting next to people who whine and yell at me about how big I am.

I have recently attempted to buy clothes in Pakistan when I was visiting relatives not long ago. Pakistani clothes are easy to fit over a belly, but we had to go from store to store to find something that I could actually pull all the way down. People are not just thin there, they are short. It’s called malnutrition. Yes, the rich people are sometimes fat. But they’ll live longer than the thin people in that country.

Amp rules for showing up and having a discussion, why frag the guy for just saying how he felt? Is it possible people could express where they are coming from without blowing the whole place up?

M rules, some others drools, but we don’t have to torch them for it either.

I think Gavmo could have gotten out of it by just photo shopping everyone with a giant party sub, because I think that there is nothing funnier than a giant sub. I’m not really that normal, so maybe it was kind of a fat joke. And a reagan t-shirt joke. And a “Doom” novelization joke.

Djur said,

Man, I am not only drooling on your tray table, but I am then asking whether you’re going to eat them peanuts.

heh. Sorry, all I gots these stale pretzels or cardboard tubesticks or whatever these things are. Really, youre welcome to them. So, you like the window seat? Me not so much. I was unfortunately born with long legs and have been discriminated against by the airlines all my life. Fuckers. And man, can someone shut that baby up? Who the hell flies with babies on a plane?

Mandos said,

So, I am not thin. But…any girth in the airplane seat is overwhelmed by my very large shoulder width with which I have been blessed. And my seatmates find that way more annoying and intimidating than my girth, let me tell you that. One short, plump woman spent half the flight yelling at me for leaning on her when I spent the whole time Top Dead Center in my seat. I couldn’t go the other way without annoying the guy on the other side (middle seats suck).

Oh you can’t imagine. You know what I hate? Those idiots who recline their seats into your lap and keep it reclined even thru food service. And even worse, people with babies, I was on a flight once and the woman lay her kid out and changed his diaper right in the aisle. Right there next to my seat, some stinky poo stinking diaper.Who are these insesative assholes who bring babies on overseas flights?

(Wow this comment thread is just like neverending usenet arguments, wonder if I can work the Scientologists in somehow…)

I was unfortunately born with long legs and have been discriminated against by the airlines all my life. Fuckers.

I hear you, man. Same here. Also, the fat. What with it.

I hear you, man. Same here. Also, the fat. What with it.

Oh fertheloveofchripes, hugs. This isn’t really a good way to end an excellent flame thread, you know. I still think [HTML Menken’s real name] is gaye.

[…] (I, too, am certain they couldn’t care less.) […]

Speaking of airplanes (I, too, have issues with them and am more than happy every time I exit and am able to actually stand up without banging knees, shoulders, head, etc into one thing or another): What’s the deal with airplane food?

Wow, I have to start reading every thread.

What a funny fight. 😀

But truthfully, unless you have a medical condition being fat is a lifestyle choice. And of course, there is also a genetic lifestyle, not a genetic disposition, but if your mother is a big fat ass, you’ll likely be one too because you will grow up to be like her and lead the same lifestyle. So saying it’s not a choice is BULL. Not everyone can have a body like mine, only like 5% of the population can do that, but everyone can be a healthy weight with proper self-motivation and lifestyle changes.

WAKE UP AMERICA. Diets don’t work, saying it’s “water gain” is bullshit, and buying any piece of crap exercise equipment to sit in your living room is stupid.

Eat PROPERLY, cook YOUR OWN meals and make healthy choices, exercise, move your body, AND the biggest thing to remember is to ENJOY what you eat and how you move your body. Do what is fun and eat what you like in moderation. Use the food pyramid, not a diet book.

Martika, I can help you if you want to lose weight. Free of charge even. Give me a shout.

What? Over 200 comments and no one has mentioned Michael Moore is fat?

Wow. There really are a bunch of assholes posting in this thread.

The denial is astounding.

As is Lesley’s arrogance.

I’m still waiting for that goddam pitcher of goddam Bloody Mary’s!

Nothing in this thread but kvetching.

Will someone please mix up some goddam drinks!

At this point everyone got up and went and made fun of people who had stars upon thars.

THE END

Good lord. What the hell has happened to S,N!? Used to be funny. Now it’s just hate filled flame fests. If I wanted that, I could just Google ‘”Gun Control” and “Libertarian”‘.

You know who I hate flying next to is tall people. Bastards stretch their damn lanky legs into my personal space and kick my feet. And those left-handed sons of bitches, too, taking over the arm rest and elbowing me for FOUR STRAIGHT HOURS. Do your damn writing after you land, you kidney crushing jerks.

I AM FATTUCUS!

p.s. Americans are the new Vogons.

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