Breaking via The Washington Note
January 11, 2007
Did the President Declare “Secret War” Against Syria and Iran?
Washington intelligence, military and foreign policy circles are abuzz today with speculation that the President, yesterday or in recent days, sent a secret Executive Order to the Secretary of Defense and to the Director of the CIA to launch military operations against Syria and Iran.The President may have started a new secret, informal war against Syria and Iran without the consent of Congress or any broad discussion with the country. […]
Only rumors here, but Steve Clemons is a DC journalist with good connections and quite sober politics, and if he says that relevant Washington circles are ‘abuzz,’ that’s probably a fair assessment. More on this if and when details emerge.
Update: Yes, yes, we’re always making fun of rumor-mongering right-bloggers. I’m aware of that.
Let me make an analogy. Dipping into a bag of Cheetos now and then is called ‘snacking.’ Snorkeling in a lagoon of Cheetos on Cheeto Island, whose mysterious stone Chester the Cheetah heads, built by a long-vanished race of… Ah, whatever: erupting Cheetotaua Volcano; Cheeto palms waving in the breeze; hula girls with Cheeto skirts; spelling out ‘H-E-L-P’ in giant Cheetos on the orange, pebbly beach to signal a passing Cheeto plane, et cetera — this is called ‘being Curt at Flopping Aces.’
Double-update: Okay, remember what I was saying about the Cheetos before, when I got all defensive about publishing rumors? Here’s Ace all like, “Bwaha! Teh lefty ninnies are saying teh attacking Iran is like some kind of secret1!! Der, teh President even said he was attacking Iran so LOLOOLOLOL!1”
Above: The moment before Ace’s alarm clock goes off.
El Presidente has way too much power in your country.
“The President may have started a new secret, informal war”
Invitation only, but you don’t have to wear a tie
Just wanted you to know that I switched to black background and everything looks real cool. Also, on to Eye-Ran! Woo hoo! America uber alles!
Heck, why stop at Syria and Iran? Let’s declare secret wars on everyone. If we haven’t already.
We’re in ur consulate, arresting ur d00dz.
When you start raiding consuls and detaining diplomats, you pretty much are in a state of war. Kinda convenient that there are no American Diplomats in Tehran, eh?
mikey
Iran is the new Cambodia, Syria the new Laos! Who says Kissinger isn’t calling the shots?
Kinda convenient that there are no American Diplomats in Tehran, eh?
Don’t tell me, it’s payback for ’79.
Kissinger…
Same as it always was.
This not only sucks flaccid, floppy cock,
it sucks it in the face of free pussy.
Respect: None.
Dean Wormer would kick Bush’s ass at double secret probation war declaration.
Whether he’s “declared” anything, it’s pretty clear that the combination of last night’s
drunken threatsstern warnings to Iran and seizure of the consulate are intended to provoke Iran into doing the kind of things that might excuse otherwise inexcusable bombings.http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2007/01/08/iraq-oil.html
Iraq to give Western companies oil rights: report
Last Updated: Monday, January 8, 2007 |
12:29 PM ET CBC News
The Iraqi government plans to introduce a law that
will give Western oil companies rights to the
country’s huge oil reserves, a British newspaper says…
Did somebody say Pussy?
I must go censor some music videos, or whatever teh kids are up to these days!
So wrong. So very very wrong in so many ways. This guy is a complete asshole, which sucks, but he’s also such a bumbler that it sucks doubly.
Does he have a secret army with which to fight his secret war?
Impeachment. Just say it. It really will never happen unless and until we step out of the shadows and start saying it can and should. (consider the alternative)
I just got off the phone, and I’ve learned that there is NO ONE named “Steve Clemons” working ANYWHERE for the DC police force. Looks like SN has FABRICATED A SOURCE in order to advance its liberal agenda.
More as this develops…
Update
So at last we find there is a “Steve Clemons” working as a reporter but that in no way contradicts Gradpaws point, indeed it just adds to it’s power
Hey, did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
/brotherblutosockpuppet
Hey, where was our return trips to Grenada and Panama?
They can’t just slip to the ’79 war without covering previous groundwork. At this rate, they’ll never reinvade Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia to show them who lost what.
OT: Robert Anton Wilson is dead.
Is this a spoof LGF post?
Nuclear explosion reported in Iran by my pet Jawa who was told by his Iranian friend. Who lives in America. But there were, like, three explosions in Iran yesterday, according to his friend the Flopping Ace, who gets his scoop from a Reuters story no longer online.
Game, set, match, MSM!
Ace: 100% stupid, 100% of the time.
Secret wars, eh? Well, some of my friends were big fans of it, but I thought the whole “every superhero in the Marvel Universe in one comic book!” concept was nothing but a cheap marketing gimmick, and also that the all-powerful Beyonder just an ill-disguised projection of Jim Shooter’s ego. On the other hand, Mike Zeck’s art was pretty damn good.
…but seriously: my brain hopes very, very much that Clemons is wrong here, but why do my guts tell me otherwise?
Yikes.
Look, he’s got to stop those gay marriages over there so that they cannot happen here. Syria and Iran are the leaders of the world homexulamist alliance and must be stopped before they make us teach evolution in schools.
Makes perfect sense. Half of Bush’s war cabinet comes straight out of Iran Contra – what better experience to be had for another covert war!
Assad – Bring it on!
Update: Robert Anton Wilson is not actually dead.
That’s just what the Illuminati wants you to believe.
(He’s inside out, looking around.)
“Secret War”?
Reminds me of an ancient doonesbury cartoon where phred talks to an old cambodian couple on the plain of jars and asks them if they were there for the secret bombings. “Secret? They weren’t secret, we saw them. I distinctly remember saying to the missus, “Hey, look at the bombs!”
Hey, honey look at them storming the Iranian consulate and sending aircraft carriers to the persian gulf and more troops to iraq while President Chimpy makes artlessly threatening speeches.
Oh, yeah, and they’ve been telling us that bombing Iraq is what they really, really want to do for years. It will consolidate the moderate opposition, you see.
It’s secret the way it was a secret that the philosopher-kings-in-waiting at the Project for the New American Century wanted to invade iraq in 1997. These people are so clever! It seems to me that anyone who can manage to take over a country through election fraud and control of all branches of government plus the media can certainly be trusted to invade a stupid little country like iraq.
Just lie back and relax. It’ll all be over in a flash.
Update: Robert Anton Wilson is not actually dead.
This statement is (like all statements) in some sense true, in some sense false, and in some sense meaningless.
Will he not even leave some space for satire free from the GWOT? Sadly, no.
You know, you’d think a word like GWOT would be safely, permanently comic. But these people have no scruples. First they take the comics, then they take Berlin.
(Acutally first they took various cities in Texas, then moved Cheney to Wyoming to avoid the Constitution, then Washington, then Kabul, then Baghdad (sorta).)
The comics are next, then Tehran, then the French and/or Berlin. Actually f**k Berlin. Who have they scared lately?
Terri Nunn is hot…
Just Sayin…
mikey
I read that Bush invaded Syria and Iran, himself, established Democracy and painted a school. Two coats!
some people say he’s also a master of disguise and exceptional lover. (Or was that ‘occasional lover’? Anyway, you know what I mean.)
I, too, find it ironic that you’ve been taunting the WingerNets about their Jalil Husseins, and Port of Miami Islamunofacist Threats, and Somali air strikes, and then post something based completely on rumor and conjecture such as this in what appears to be earnestness. If this is a joke, I’m having trouble finding the punch line on this one…
Of course, I AM a complete douchebag.
I think Bush and Bluto stole the wrong policy paper mimeograph to use for last night’s speech.
Also, can someone tell me a strategy can be an “augmentation” (little bit more help for the same effort) instead of an escalation, but also be a TOTALLY new strategy?
I, too, find it ironic that you’ve been taunting the WingerNets about their Jalil Husseins, and Port of Miami Islamunofacist Threats, and Somali air strikes, and then post something based completely on rumor and conjecture such as this in what appears to be earnestness.
One key difference is that we don’t do it every single day, whooping up each new story as though the last fifty hadn’t been zanily off-base.
The one constant in this world is that whatever Bush decides to do, he’ll horse up in the most spectacular fashion. I shudder to think what would happen if he negotiated a peace treaty with someone.
One key difference is that we don’t do it every single day, whooping up each new story as though the last fifty hadn’t been zanily off-base.
Well, you definitely have me there. Just feels a touch hypocritical, especially if it turns out to be completely bogus. As you know, the Nutters will take one incident from our side (William Jefferson comes to mind) and equate it with their epic history of dipshittery, thereby giving a veneer (however thin) to the plausibility of their credibility vs. our own. But then again, I suppose ol’ 30-Percenters are so far gone it hardly matters…
Mitch — the other diff. is that if this unconfirmed news niblet indeed turned out to be groundless, I doubt Sadly No! would virtually start an entire new website devoted to nothing but defending their original “belief” in said discredited item and invoke a conspiracy extending to Alpha Centauri and all protons and neutrinos in between to cover up the “troof.”
One key difference more:
Has the shrub maladministration ever mislead us into war? Have they ever appropriated powers that belong to Congress? Are there two carrier groups in the Middle East now? Did Bush make some (more than normal) bellicose statements about Iran last night? Did the U.S. just invade an Iranian counsulate? Has Steve Clemons spent the last four years torching any semblence of credibility he might have had?
On the other team:
Michelle and Curt, insisting there is no Jamil Hussein…that A.P. is just inventing the character to make things look worse in Iraq than they really are. When these warbloggers are proven wrong, they insist they are still right. A.P. has been ignoring the good news in Iraq. In spite of the morgues filled with bodies ‘bearing the signs of torture’. In spite of the spiralling U.S. casualties. In spite of the fact that the allegedly liberal mainstream media has given the shrub a pass for the past four years (“Drudge rules our world”…ring a bell?)
Sure, there might NOT be attack on Iran imminent. But Steve Clemons and Sadly, No! will still have credibility (I’m a bit skeptical about some of teh Note, especially Mark Halperin), unlike Ace, Malkin, Assrocket, and the rest, who burnt theirs in several giant bonfires over the past few years.
But Steve Clemons and Sadly, No! will still have credibility (I’m a bit skeptical about some of teh Note, especially Mark Halperin),
just FYI, The Washinton Note and The Note are totally different sites. I could be wrong, but I don’t think Mark Halperin is affiliated with Steve Clemon’s The Washington Note, just The Note.
jeez. posting a piece like this is completely legit. I doubt any Iraqi policeman will wind up with drill holes in their skull because of it, even if any of it turns out to be innacurate.
Also, the most outrageous speculations of the antiwar side have almost all come true. Almost all the predictions and plans of those who thought there was a snowballs chance in hell that these clowns would win the “clash of civilizations” by bombing the crap out of the lesser breeds have turned out to be either hilarious disasters or soul-numbing slaughters.
Anyone who still thinks that Bush, Cheney and company are anything but a bunch of self-serving mediocrities acting out the delusions of the neocon “intellectuals” who have been growing like rare orchids in the right-wing thinktank hothouses for the last 25 years has quite simply had their head up their own ass for so long they’ve gotten used to the smell.
(Oooo. I liked that. A really long sentence that just gets better ever time I reread it.)
(“Anyone …” doesn’t match “… their head up their own ass …”, I suppose. But I actually think using “their” for the third-person singular makes a lot of sense, although I normally just go for standard usage when I’m out in public. At least I don’t sound like a frigging alcoholic frat boy trying to pretend he’s sober like some people I could think of.)
Reminds me of an ancient doonesbury cartoon where phred talks to an old cambodian couple on the plain of jars and asks them if they were there for the secret bombings. “Secret? They weren’t secret, we saw them. I distinctly remember saying to the missus, “Hey, look at the bombs!�
They were probably an ancient Lao couple, since the Plain of Jars is in northern Laos.
Just saying… 🙂
Not to pile on, but its worth noting that Clemons is only reporting that “military and foreign policy circles are abuzz today with speculation” and Gavin didn’t try to use that as “proof” of anything.
Ace and the boys would already be four posts deep into speculation about what Ahmadinejad is likely to wear to the surrender ceremony.
I see your point. Guess the only conscientious thing to do would be to HOPE it’s bogus at this point, eh?
just FYI, The Washinton Note and The Note are totally different sites.
Hanx, Kathleen! Steve Clemons credibility just rose in my roomba opinion. And now I’m free to hate on teh Note.
floopmeister: A little more respect for your elders, if you don’t mind. The wisdom of experience is far more important than mere accuracy.
No more words, Mikey.
No, I don’t mind at all that you’ve admitted you’re older 😉
Mere accuracy
But why are we discussing bogs all of a sudden?
…
Oh, here’s the Friday comment on truth in politics:
whose mysterious stone Chester the Cheetah heads, built by a long-vanished race of… Ah, whatever
A long-vanished race of Goldwaters, typed the Roomba of Historyâ„¢.
P.S. Hopefully, that vid isn’t sucktacular, youtube has syphilis or something so I can’t give it a trial run.
Snorkeling in a lagoon of Cheetos on Cheeto Island, whose mysterious stone Chester the Cheetah heads,
Shame on you, Gavin. You have dissed the ineffable Sandy Skoglund by not mentioning her photographs in this context.
a picture is worth a thousand crumbs
I don’t understand how anyone who has been following this thinks that the soon to be war with Iran is a new idea. “Project for a New American Century” mapped this out in the 90’s.
Afghanistan was to rocky to lay the oil pipeline (from there to Syria) so the best way to accomplish step one was with bombs.
Iraq would fall easily, we all knew that.
Now we have to make war with Iran and Syria to finish the job.
This war is at least ten years in the making. What they didn’t see coming was how inept this administration would be at executing the plan. Now, with money and resources stretched thin, time is running out.
Is this news to anyone?
All I ever hear is Muqtada, Muqtada, Muqtada…
Is this news to anyone?
No, but there have been rumors of an imminent attack on Iran since last spring. It was supposed to be June, to get in ahead of the Iranians’ switch from petrodollars.
LAST SPRING?????? Try TEN YEARS!!!!
Listen to this song http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=14339054
Go there and listen to ATTRACTS RATS.
This song was written by a 20 year old kid in 2005. Listen very carefully to the lyrics.
Here are some of them in case you are lazy:
We’ve got plans to bomb Iran and take the whole Persion Gulf by storm and stick you with the bill….
Cause we’re the good Christian white fold people who networked ourselves together to eliminate national sovreignty and replace it with the Kingdom of God who promised me to take me to heaven while Christ sticks you sinners with the bill…
You wouldn’t think that would work musically, would you?
It does.
That kid knew two years ago because he read documents written ten years ago…by Paul Wolfowitz.
Does he have a secret army with which to fight his secret war?
Yes, the one he plans to use our tax dollars to buy as part of the new American Foreign Legion. Unfortunately, since he’ll be sending the funds through Halliburton / Bechtel, they’ll all disappear as permanently as the ten million Ollie North “miswired” during the original Iran-Contra treason-fest.
All I ever hear is Muqtada, Muqtada, Muqtada…
The last thing I ever heard was Muqtada, Muqtada, Muqtada…
Ace is so stupid I cannot even comment about his “Bush announced teh secret in teh speech! lefties are so teh stoopid!”
Hmm, when has anyone ever publicly sabre-rattled, yet joined it with covert cobaggery? teh nevvors!!
LAST SPRING?????? Try TEN YEARS!!!!
I mean an imminent attack, as in a specific time for which it was said to be planned. The policy papers have been floating around for a long time, but there’s a lot of concrete planning that has to happen before the first bomb leaves the rack.
The wheels turned as soon as the plane hit the tower.
It’s like a race against time with Cheney’s pacemaker whether he’ll be able to pull off starting Armageddon before his ticket gets punched.
My dad’s been retired from the Navy for nearly 30 years, and he knew where to drop the bombs from his plane in iran – in the 50’s and 60’s.
I doubt they have lost track of a single potential target between then and now.
Plans are plans, it’s machinations that are worrisome.
I agree with Mikey that Terri Nunn does, in fact, posses a large number of Hotness.
“Hey, did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?”
This didn’t click in my mind when it was relevant, but back when there was that “WWII appeasement” meme going round a few months back, someone should have pointed out that the reason US entered in 1941 and not, say, 1939 (when it actually started) was that the US in general wanted nothing to do, no way, no how, with another war in Europe.
I’m just sayin’.
Looks like the not-so-secret war has spread to Athens. The US embassy just got rocketed.
“Greek police said the rocket was launched from a building across the road from the embassy building and landed inside a toilet on the third floor.”
Is funny because no one was hurt.
Has anyone yet mentioned the dealie about the attack we waged on the Iranian embassy in northern Iraq yesterday? And has anyone noticed that we’re calling northern Iraq “Kurdistan”? And can someone explain to me why we just went out of our way to take the only region of Iraq that is both relatively stable and favorably incline toward us, and piss them the fuck off?
Just out of curiosity, does anyone know if there’s any reason to believe that elements of the PKK are active in Greece?
Bwhahaha, Cheeto Rivera.
Iran and Turkey both bomb the Kurds and no one cares because they are harboring terrorists. Kurds aren’t the nice guys you think they are, neither are the Shiites.
And yes, it has been mentioned, do you read the comments???
I hope we wipe out the Shiites. So do all the Sunnis in the world. I hope we wipe Syria and Iran off the face of the map, but I’d rather that Israel did it. Saves American lives and we can make large cash off selling Israel weapons.
Then we can let Turkey take care of the Kurds, and the Sunnis can either learn to live in peace or they can FOAD.
I bet it was the far left assholes in Greece that bombed us. Would that make you all happy????
Unfortunately, we give the Israelis the money to buy the weapons from us, so it isn’t pure capitalism, in the ayn rand sense.
By the way, does anyone remember what was the name of that song by Berlin I loved so much back in the eighties? It’s completely gone out of my head.
No More Words.
You’re welcome. 🙂
No More Words
You’re talking and it all sounds fair
You promise your love, how much you care
I’m still listening and still unsure
Your actions are lacking, nothing is clear
No more words
You’re telling me you love me while you’re looking away
No more words, no more words
And no more promises of love
Remember when the words were new
They carried a meaning, a feeling so true
I’m looking for a long romance
Not a picture of passion or one time chance
Don’t fool your self
Your empty passion won’t satisfy me
I know, so don’t pretend that you want me
You don’t want me
We make love and it’s all the same
Your eyes show nothing, no lover’s flame
Don’t promise we can work it out
You can leave right now if you’re feeling doubt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pSndcopaO8
Youtube even. Scary!!!!! LOL. Now that I feel old, goodnight you fluffy little liberals.
I hope we wipe out the Shiites. So do all the Sunnis in the world. I hope we wipe Syria and Iran off the face of the map, but I’d rather that Israel did it.
I just had the image of annieangel masturbating furiously while she wrote that. My subconscious hates me
Could’ve been “Take My Breath Away”. Though nostalgic4nixon said “loved so much”, so in retrospect it isn’t likely …
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu5ReJ-JkwI
By the way, does anyone remember what was the name of that song by Berlin I loved so much back in the eighties?
Well, for me it would be either “The Metro” or “Sex (I’m a…).”
Who here remembers watching MV3?
Mitch, Clemons doesn’t source it and calls it speculation, Gavin says outright it’s just rumor, how much clearer do they have to be for you? Include a picture of a grain of salt?
Plus, the only assertion is that DC insider circles are “abuzz” with speculation about a secret plan, not that there actually is a secret plan; proving there’s no plan would not prove Clemons’ report or Gavin’s post bogus, only showing there’s been no buzz would. Of course that’s just this kitten’s opinion, though, so take with.
Seems like a perfectly legitimate topic for discussion. Hell, nobody said Sadly, No was somehow equivilent to the malkin thing when we were discussing the possibility of bush declaring martial law and canceling elections. When you are the subjects of a government of criminal thugs who allow zero transparency, it’s almost unavoidable that you would look at the hints and clues contained in the events of the day and attempt to discern their plans and goals…
mikey
“Is funny because no one was hurt.”
What about the poo?!?!?!
The rumors can’t mean anything, since the Dow is still up today.
Insider trading >> DC speculation
�Anyone …� doesn’t match “… their head up their own ass …�, I suppose. But I actually think using “their� for the third-person singular makes a lot of sense, although I normally just go for standard usage when I’m out in public.
Nostalgic4nixon is my friend4ever for being a grammar geek. Personally, I find indefinite pronoun/antecedent disagreement much pleasanter to tolerate when I remember that it’s all the fault of the fucking Norman Conquest.
I come back after all this time only to see that annieangel is STILL the least funny parody troll ever. At least Gary Ruppert is trying to keep us entertained.
Consulates don’t funnel arms, they process intelligence. So when the US raids an Iranian mission in Iraqi Kurdistan (without letting the Kurds know ahead of time because guess who was guarding the mission) on the same day 24 F-16s arrive at Incirlik in Turkish Kurdistan, on the same day that the Turkish PM vociferously reaffirms his country’s right to unilaterally intervene in Iraqi (pace Kurdish) affairs, the short hairs on the back of my neck start to rise.
Sweet Baby Jesus, where did you get that picture??