A Call To Gaping Incredulity
Don’t click on the link yet — you’ll appreciate this more if you bask in the radiance of the text first.
It is a regrettable fact of the current American political age that too many Republicans have failed to continue an aggressive fight for the principles which bring us together as Republicans and as conservatives. The election of 2006 was an example of what happens to a party and a movement when we fail to fight for the principles that brought us together in the first place. In short, it is time for true conservatives and Republicans to go back on offense.
We are blessed to live in a land of great opportunity in a time of great challenges. With that blessing, however, comes great responsibility. Our world is a dangerous one where powerful madmen and committed terrorists seek the destruction of our society and think nothing of brutally beheading or bombing our countrymen. Thomas Jefferson told us that, “The price of liberty is eternal vigilance�. Those words ring more true than ever today.
Conservatives must act on First Principles. We must organize and act to protect the very principles of: order, justice and freedom that are the touchstones of our founding documents. We must act to speed the return of our government to its constitutional roots and we must organize to protect our freedoms from those who wish to deny them to us.
[…]
We recognize, however that our principles and our ideas will not prevail unless we take action. We have a responsibility to our God, our families, our Nation and ourselves to take action to protect our freedoms and those of our fellow human beings. Its fine for all of us to enjoy the blessings of liberty but we all must share the responsibility to cherish and protect those blessings too.
The time has come for us to unite and take action to protect our freedoms and to extend them to others in need. The time has come to help enlist our fellow citizens in a struggle against foreign despots who seek our destruction and those in this country who would weaken America from within. The time has come for a call to action for all conservatives to rededicate ourselves to our principles, to taking direct, grassroots, political action and work together to reclaim America.
This weblog is one small way for us help create the conditions for positive action. We will foster discussion and debate, by boldly putting forth conservative belief and principle. We all must recognize, however, that while we create an environment for thoughtful conservative dialogue, there is an even deeper need for bold conservative action as we struggle to return our government to its First Principles.
Right, right, we get it: action. It’s time for action. Furthermore, the action for which it’s time has the following characteristics: A) conservative, B) bold, C) principled. Put it all together, and the message is that it is, at this moment, now time for bold and principled conservative Morris dancing sorry, I mean desperate cry for help action.
Okay, now check the link.
Or, no, wait, we’re getting a bit ahead of things here. Try this one for now.
[cue reprise of Yakety Sax with interspersed Hanna-Barbera donk! fwee! and ee-Yi-ee sounds]
PS: That’s a fine blogroll he’s got there, but hasn’t someone been cruelly left out?
Update: Somehow, negative comments are disappearing from the blog in question. Fortunately, a helpful mirror site has been established to archive them. [Hanx! to Zhubin]
Committed terrorists think nothing of beheading or bombing Thomas Jefferson!!
Whaaaa?
But y’know, there’s good news here. If someone really wanted to make Tom Delay suffer for his crimes, they would lock him behind forty foot walls under the control of these doods. ‘Cause if there ever was a repressed, angry and bitter collection of midwestern pricks who were bullied relentlessly as children and lived with their mommy until their late twenties, it was these fuckwads…
mikey
Be sure to read the comments on the Delay post Gavin references. They’re priceless. I don’t know how long they will be allowed, but he’s taking a serious pounding from every side, left right up and down…
mikey
How long will it take before GAIN get the suffix PAC added to it?
That pay-off was awesome.
Someone took a snapshot of the comments to DeLay’s post before he threw up the screen:
http://www.tomdelaydotcom.blogspot.com
My favorite one so far is: “Everyone already assumes bloggers are unemployed losers… thanks for reinforcing that stereotype…”
This is comedy gold.
So who wants to go undercover as a Repuke and work toward getting Delay the presidential nomination? The Dems would win by 30 points!
I wrote about this last night. Picked up on the “filter” that DeLay will use to keep out the reality-based community and how that doesn’t jive with his “About the Blog” blurb.
They Write Blogs: DeLay Takes to the ‘Net Tubes
Ah yes, the “marketplace of ideas.”
How can it be the “marketplace of ideas” if you can only get one viewpoint? Doesn’t that require more than one?
In the marketplace of ideas, you can buy bread, eggs and rutabaga.
If you desire something else you’re a terra-ist appeaser.
He’s right of course! Delay and the conservative movement need to stick with their principles.
Those principles primarily being laundering Indian casino and corporate money through Jack Abramoff in an attempt to decrease wages for workers in third world sweatshops by chaining women to their sewing machines and forcing them to have abortions.
He probably meant the “dealership of ideas,” where you can’t have any products that interfere with selling The Product.
No, I think he meant “marketplace of idea”.
A place where values can be traded, votes can be bought, and a little pork can be sold to the highest bidder.
The time has come to help enlist our fellow citizens in a struggle against foreign despots who seek our destruction and those in this country who would weaken America from within.
It’s about time a well-known right-wing blogger explicitly called on Young Conservatives to enlist in the military.
Or perhaps even “The Idea of a Marketplace” where you describe in glowing detail a fair, flat marketplace where everyone has the same opportunities and there are no systemic biases, all the while manipulating and controlling the real marketplace to your own best advantage…
mikey
Does anyone remember last week, when Shoelimpyâ„¢ said hey, the Democrats have ties to terrorists, and the guys at Sadly, No were like, that is bullshit Shoelimpyâ„¢, and thought they were all cool and stuff?
Well, guess who was right?
Gee limp-something-or-other… Using WorldNetDaily interviewing Hamas as a source… That’s just a double-whammy of credibility, isn’t it? Didn’t the Enquirer or the Weekly World News have something to add?
Also, if talking to Hamas is bad, why is WND doing it? Isn’t that emboldening (embiggening?) the terrrrrrists?
Thomas Jefferson told us that, “The price of liberty is eternal vigilance�. Those words ring more true than ever today.
Well, they would even more so if Thomas Jefferson had ever said that.
“The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance…” – John Philpot Curran, 1790
“…eternal vigilance by the people is the price of liberty…” – Andrew Jackson, 1837
“Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.” – Wendell Phillips, 1852
This is probably the original:
“There is one safeguard known generally to the wise,
which is an advantage and security to all,
but especially to democracies as against despots. What is it? Distrust” – Demosthenes, ca. 340 BCE
Does anyone remember last week, when Shoelimpyâ„¢ said hey, the Democrats have ties to terrorists, and the guys at Sadly, No were like, that is bullshit Shoelimpyâ„¢, and thought they were all cool and stuff?
You mean like here?
UPDATE: It has come to my attention that the original story which I linked to has been changed, and no longer contains the paragraph quoted above. However, I shall leave this post here, since despite the whitewashing of the Jerusalem Post the truth remains known and free.
I see the confirmation comes from a WorldNetDaily story, by their fabled ‘Jerusalem Bureau’ (a.k.a. Aaron Klein).
WND are journalists. They investigate the truth, unlike the so-called “main-stream” media who simply cut and paste what the Democrats tell them to write.
And yes, Gavin, that is exactly what I mean. I can’t say why the Jerusalem Post edited their story, I thought that was something only American news outlets did when they realized they had given out too much information, but it seems to be becoming common policy across the world.
WND clearly has ties to terrorists.
Umm, I can no longer speak DickLimpy ™, but anybody who can might ask it why democrats would want to help terrorists? It’s understandable that they would want to speak to an important political party in the ME, being as how we are supposed to support democracy and all, but what do the Dems have to gain by asking for help from “Teh Terrorists”? It doesn’t come close to passing the stupid test…
mikey
That rant by Mr Delay was almost as good as Hitler’s Mein Kampf. All that bold action over empty principles and ennemies from within and without.
Loved this line those in this country who would weaken America from within
I wonder who he’s talking about … the Rotary club?
WND are journalists breaking a story, they are not a political party who has the ability to design and develop American laws or who have major influence over the foreign policy of the United States.
Typical liberal “debating” tactic: confuse apples with oranges.
WND are journalists breaking a story, they are not a political party who has the ability to design and develop American laws or who have major influence over the foreign policy of the United States.
Oh mercy.
WND are the very dust at the bottom of the giant box of Angry Flakes that is the right-wing media.
At least, unless Newsmax is having an especially nutty week.
Typical liberal “debating� tactic: confuse apples with oranges.
Typical troll half-wit: confuse “mocking” with “debating”.
But what, you would believe it if it was from the New York Times?
Sounds like someone is an Establishment tool to me.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WorldNetDaily
mikey, where have you been? Democrats are promoting the Islamofascist takeover of the West because they hate America and our freedoms. Duh!
It’s funny that limpy’s treating a Hamas source as credible, but only because they’re saying what he wants to hear. Do you really mean to tell us, limp, that were they not giving you an opportunity to smear the ‘crats, you’d believe Hamas if they tried to tell you the sky was blue and trees were tall? You wingnuts have made it part of your raison d’etre not to believe anything that doesn’t conform with your warped view of reality, and now you expect us to sit here while you lecture us about journalistic practice? Fuggedaboudit.
Oh yeah, they’re credible journalists – that’s why their more popular nickame is “World NUT Daily”…
From the wikipedia article:
In 1999, WorldNetDaily.com, Inc., with offices in Cave Junction, Oregon, was incorporated in Delaware as a for-profit subsidiary of the non-profit Western Journalism Center with the backing of $4.5 million from investors
Nice! No better bustling news center than freaking Cave Junction. What are these guys, militia?
Ummm, why would Hamas lie about having ties to Democrats? There is no gain for them in lying, or making it up. If there is no motivation for them to lie but they are saying it anyway, it only makes sense that they would be telling the truth. One should always be skeptical but one is also allowed to employ a little thing called common sense.
Speaking of cartoon sound effects….some of the most prized CDs in my completely bizarre collection are a couple of sets of original theme music from old Hanna-Barbera cartoons. I’ve got the themes to stuff like Touche Turtle, Pixie and Dixie, Augie Doggie, Magilla Gorilla…..and one of the greatest cartoon themes ever – Jonny Quest.
Just thought I’d share.
And that Tom Delay stuff is some of the funniest spew I’ve seen on teh Tubez in quite a while!
Don’t confuse mocking with linking, Marita.
Nice try, Limp. You keep wishing really, really hard and you’ll get a real scandal someday, not some bullshit trumped up by the fringes of the wingnutosphere.
Incidentally, how do you feel about the bin Laden family being snuck out of the country on 9/12? Wouldn’t that classify as “treason” to you dumbfucks? Only if it was done by someone named “Clinton.” You’re a fucking hypocrite and you obviously have no life.
Okay limpy, perhaps you can use that laser-sharp common sense of yours and tell me what reasons the EM-ES-EM could possibly have for behaving like the inverse-pravda you wingnuts are always alleging them to be? Why is every story the MSM reports on automatically a bald-faced lie/propaganda extravaganza (unless it makes your guys look good, of course), but WND and some nebulous Hamas source should be treated as gospel?
I don’t know why ‘centrists’ keep wondering why bipartisanship seems so impossible these days. It’s because rational debate is all but impossible when republicans refuse to believe anything that doesn’t conform with their world-view, but asserts real facts and absolute bullshit with exactly the same level of conviction.
Sarcastro – that quote is traditionally attributed to Jefferson, though no one can find it in his works or speeches and it is traceable to other sources. Such is the merit of tradition. An actual Jefferson quote (which, incidentally, is chiselled around the interior of his monument in DC) regarding liberty and vigilance, though mentioning neither by name, is:
I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.
Which I think is pretty good, overall.
And that Tom Delay stuff is some of the funniest spew I’ve seen on teh Tubez in quite a while!
Here’s some of my favorite quotes:
Tom DeLay is a pussy-ass faggot moneygrubber.
Nice and direct and to the point.
YOUR ARE A FUCKING DISGRACE TO THE IDEAS OF GOLDWATER. CRAWL BACK INTO A HOLE YOU TURD!
This is an actual wingnut– you can tell by the shoddy grammar and all-caps.
When I go to prison I will have the best bitch in the cellblock so eat your hearts out. His name is Jack Abramhoff and he gives good head.
A priceless quote from “Tom” himself.
One should always be skeptical but one is also allowed to employ a little thing called common sense.
Indeed.
But what, you would believe it if it was from the New York Times?
Exactly so, my limp friend. Actually, confirmation from ANY otehr sources would help bolster that claim, especially if they consist of more than some frothing web based loonies.
It’s called jouranlistic integrity, verification of sources, confirmation from more than one source, professional reporting….
Regardless of your frothing dismissal of the Times as a news source, the reality is that when they print something, it’s been vetted by an experienced editor, researched by an actual, you know, paid research department, and verified by more than one source as a matter of procedure.
If teh World Nuts actually break a story, why good for them. But sponging a few million dollars from rightwing idealogues eager to provide cover for their insane policies does not a news organization make.
Random_Guy, I would respond to your last post, but it seems all the accusations are baseless with no reality to support them. What was your source on my ideas about the mainstream media, Atrios?
And really, JK47, do your homework. They were hardly “snuck out.” The true facts of the case are available online if you wish to find out what really happened, but you are stuck on your Michael Moore bullshit so there is little I can do to help you.
You are correct, Gavin, your last post confirrms my preconception that you still haven’t figured out how to put the Preview button back in.
Watch out for statistical errors!
No, you’re right you limping shoe-fruit, the bin Ladens weren’t snuck out.
They were flown out.
On the only planes flying the day after the attacks.
Through direct Executive intervention, at the bequest of the Saudis. George W. jumping like a yapping lapdog for his real masters.
WND has broken many important stories over the years, TC. And the original story here comes from the Jerusalem Post. Hardly a bunch of rightwing nutbars.
The word is SNEAKED.
WND has broken many important stories over the years, TC.
Ok, fine. Let’s see some.
And the original story here comes from the Jerusalem Post. Hardly a bunch of rightwing nutbars.
No, that’s true. After all, they retracted the paragraph you quoted.
Sorry, TC, but even Wikipedia will tell you that the bin Laden’s remained in country until the FAA permitted overseas flights for everyone.
WND has broken many important stories over the years, TC.
Please elaborate. We’re all dying to hear this.
Limpy, I can tell you that this:
Shoelimpyâ„¢ said,
December 12, 2006 at 0:09
WND are journalists. They investigate the truth, unlike the so-called “main-stream� media who simply cut and paste what the Democrats tell them to write.
gave me a bit of a clue.
You’ve left plenty of comments on this very blog that were similar to that one. You know, knee-jerk dismissals of legitimate news stories merely because they came from the MSM, and not some tinfoil-hat, cheetos-stained wingnut blogger.
Honestly, if you’re going to troll, at least do it consistently.
Sorry, TC, but even Wikipedia will tell you that the bin Laden’s remained in country until the FAA permitted overseas flights for everyone.
Oh. Well, here’s a story saying otherwise from what you’ve called a reputable source — World Net Daily.
World Net Daily is full of important stories they have broken.
And actually it is true, Brad, Jerusalem Post reported on the story before World Net Daily. This is simply another independent source confirming the original story. Retraction of a story doesn’t make it not true. Or should I be calling you Winston Smith instead of Brad?
World Net Daily is full of important stories they have broken.
Then you’ll have no trouble finding some.
Saudis were picked up and flown in country, however no flights were taken overseas until the FAA authorized overseas flights, not even for the Saudis mentioned here. The facts are well-documented.
I said the MSM cuts and pastes its news from what Democrats tell them. Doesn’t mean I discount everything in the MSM out of hand. That would be rather foolish of me. I don’t see any inconsistencies there.
Gavin, don’t you know that saying the exact same thing twice in a row makes it true?
Gavin, don’t you know that saying the exact same thing twice in a row makes it true?
“Then you’ll have no trouble finding some. ”
And neither will you. I am not Gavin, Brad, I am not going to do your work for you.
Stop feeding the LimpOne(tm) guys.
WorldNutDaily? Breaking stories? The truth?
OK, my bad. It’s too rich not to play around with; it’s like a cat with catnip.
You watch them roll around the floor, all psychotic and into it, and it gives you a sense of pleasure that the cat, while no longer recognizing reality is happy.
So you keep watching.
That’s the LimpOne(tm).
And neither will you. I am not Gavin, Brad, I am not going to do your work for you.
Shorter Limpy: I have been pwned.
I am not Gavin, Brad, I am not going to do your work for you.
Jeez, talk about delusional. Umm, dood? Brad is not in this thread at all…
mikey
Saudis were picked up and flown in country, however no flights were taken overseas until the FAA authorized overseas flights, not even for the Saudis mentioned here. The facts are well-documented.
I’d dispute that with other sources, but I think it’s best to just sit back and watch teh fireworks with this developing story.
That deadline again is December 15th, 2006.
Since when did facts matter?
I said the MSM cuts and pastes its news from what Democrats tell them.
So by implication, the MSM doesn’t get any of its talking points from republicans, right?
And when the facts are in on that case, Gavin, you will see that this entire story has been simply another mountain made out of a molehill.
I like pie.
Shoe, I’m betting that if the ‘facts’ contradict your POV you won’t accept them as facts.
And meanwhile, right after these startling revelations about the Democrats and Hamas, it turns out Hamas has just killed 3 Palestinian children. Looks like it could be the start of a civil war in Palestine.
Oops, looks like Shoelimpyâ„¢ just linked to an article from the mainstream media! Doesn’t that mean that his little Republican head is just going to explode or something?
Whoops, it looks like the subject has changed for some reason:
And meanwhile, right after these startling revelations about the Democrats and Hamas, it turns out Hamas has just killed 3 Palestinian children. Looks like it could be the start of a civil war in Palestine.
So ok. This happened, Hamas denied involvement, Al-Fatah blamed Hamas, and you already have a narrative in place.
Pardon me, everyone, but there’s an advanced concept that I’d like to introduce to Shoelimpy here. ‘Ambiguity’ is when it isn’t clear what the facts are in a given story, and/or whether one of the principals might be saying something that isn’t true.
I mean, we’re talking concepts here that could strengthen your trolling skills. It’s simply in everyone’s best interest to be on the same page.
‘Ambiguity’ is when it isn’t clear what the facts are in a given story, and/or whether one of the principals might be saying something that isn’t true.
Huh. I thought that was when you could write with either hand. You learn something new every day.
I don’t know about the scanners moment, but using your logic kind of begs the question of why is the MSM reporting on this story at all.
After all, the democrats are all secret Hamas supporters, and Hamas just committed an atrocity. The mainstream media gets all of its talking points from democrats, and Hamas has denied they were responsible (so that must make them responsible). What the hell is the MSM doing accusing Hamas? Wouldn’t the Hamas-ocrats be careful to avoid any mention of Hamas’s complicity in the attack in the diktat they sent to the media to be cut-n-pasted? Honestly guys, we need to get the party to hire better propagandists. Next VLWC meeting remind me to bring it up.
Wow. Dumbest troll ever. This is pretty sad to watch, actually. I mean, even Gary Ruppert stops digging fairly quickly into the game and at least waits until a new post to make a complete jackass (not to mention reveal his inherint bigotry and total political ignorance) of himself. Shoe, son, have you ever thought of a hobby? Maybe take some classes at the local community college, maybe find out if there’s a community theatre or something in your town. Or books, books are nice.
“Pardon me, everyone, but there’s an advanced concept that I’d like to introduce to Shoelimpy here. ‘Ambiguity’ is when it isn’t clear what the facts are in a given story, and/or whether one of the principals might be saying something that isn’t true. ”
You mean like when liberals say that the bin Ladens were flown out of the country the day after 9/11 when facts say otherwise and court investigations are still under way to determine the truth?
Ambiguity is a two-way street.
Pie is good. 🙂
Matt, books require basic literacy skills. It’s mean of you to bring up books.
Yes it is, Miss Annie 🙂
I need some whine to go with my pie, though, if I want to be cool like the peeps at Sadly, No!
Jillian,
Well, he can write, so there’s a start. We can start slow, ya know, something simple. I suggest….hmmm…dude, A People’s History Of The United States. It’s pretty thick and a bit of downer here and there, but it’s good stuff. Howard Zinn, should be found in most bookstores.
Oh, no, Matt…..we need to break it down a bit more.
I’d suggest My Pet Goat. Great starting point for aspiring world leaders.
Or finishing point. Whatever.
Books and pie. That’s what the trolls need. Books…and pie.
You can’t be neutral on a moving train.
You mean like when liberals say that the bin Ladens were flown out of the country the day after 9/11 when facts say otherwise and court investigations are still under way to determine the truth?
Oh, the flights overseas probably began on September 14th, 2001. Since you’re not busy looking up stories that WND has broken, you might want to check around for corroborating sources on that.
[insert quote about not doing someone’s work for him]
Books and pie. That’s what the trolls need. Books…and pie.
And weed. Good god, I have never a collective of dingbats that needed to get baked worse. Man, how would you like to go through life like that? Suspecting everyone as “dangerous” in some way or another, fearing everyone who’s even the slightest bit different and that slavish devotion to power and status quo, even if reality contradicts every thing you think you hold dear (but is really just desperate fear and overwhelming hatred). Just imagine…
Smoke a bowl, man, lighten up.
Hmmmm, I am getting conflicting stories here, Gavin. Your fellow liberals have been saying these flights occurred on 9/12, but now you are saying 9/14. It all sounds very….ambiguous to me.
And meanwhile, right after these startling revelations about the Democrats and Hamas, it turns out Hamas has just killed 3 Palestinian children. Looks like it could be the start of a civil war in Palestine.
Truly, this is the work of trustworthy people. Honestly, Gavin, why WOULD Hamas lie?
Your fellow liberals have been saying these flights occurred on 9/12, but now you are saying 9/14. It all sounds very….ambiguous to me.
What’s the difference, 9/12 or 9/14? You know what we mean, asshat. Bush is the bin Laden family’s BFF and does whatever the Saudis say. Like the bitch he is.
the start of a civil war in Palestine
Wait….Palestine’s a state now?
Adorable Girlfriend is Annie’s BBF.
And, for crap’s sake, “whine” goes with che-….oh, never mind. What’s the point? Shoelimpyâ„¢, you do not promote debate, you instill utter despair.
What is the difference between 9/10 and 9/11, JK47? Or have we entered a parallel liberal dimension where all days merge into one?
There’s TONS of cheese ’round here. 🙂
And meanwhile, right after these startling revelations about the Democrats and Hamas, it turns out Hamas has just killed 3 Palestinian children.
Aha!! It’s all clear to me. Democrats, every last homo-lovin one of ’em, told the Emm Ess Emm to tell hamas to kill some palestinian children ’cause we’re just having waay too much trouble makin those damn muslim kids gay. Easier just to off ’em. Oh sure, Hamas was like “Waitaminute Emm Ess Emm, these are Palestinian kids, we really don’t like killing them but – Oh, OK, if that’s what you want. You know we live only to serve the Emm Ess Emm and their all powerful controllers the Democratic party, whose orders we cannot refuse to carry out until they finally succeed with their agenda and are replaced as the overlords by Osama bin Laden”…
mikey
What is the difference between 9/10 and 9/11, JK47? Or have we entered a parallel liberal dimension where all days merge into one?
Troll tactic #238: When defeated, find a minor discrepancy that has nothing to do with the argument at hand and no bearing on the argument.
Look, jerkoff, I’ll explain it for you real simple. The Bin Laden family got preferential treatment after 9/11. They flew on chartered planes when private air travel was still banned. Whether that was on 9/12 or 9/14 is immaterial.
Troll tactic #238: When defeated, find a minor discrepancy that has nothing to do with the argument at hand and no bearing on the argument.
That wasn’t a very good sentence. Ignore the “and no bearing on the argument” part. My bad.
JK47, cool nice by the way, is an expert on troll tactics. Especially in the use of calilng TROLL on a thread to discredit the arguement of one he can’t debate against. The use of inserting the totally offtopic, “troll tactic” points, is also meant to derail debate.
You lose, looser. Automatically. You are not debating the subject, and you are an idiot.
There was a justified rationale that these individuals could be on the receiving end of violence in the wake of what happened on 9/11. They were allowed to fly to more secure locations in country, yes. They were not flown out of the country until the FAA had approved overseas travel. Sorry if the facts don’t fit with your preconceived notions.
Why is anybody bothering to respond to a nonentity like Shoelimpy?
That word should be “nic.” Ignore the “e” on the end. My bad.
Man, that whole “the Democrats are BBF with Hamas cause WorldNetDaily said so” sure evaporated quick, dinnit.
How could one respond to a nonentity at all? To respond and have a response back implies that there is some substance there, whether or not you happen to like it. By referring to me as a nonentity you have in fact made me even more of an entity.
Now I will never go away!
Don’t steal my lines, Shoebert, UNDERSTAND??? 😉
Members of the Bin Laden family were apparently flown on a private jet the same day the FAA issued a notice that private (non-commercial) flights were still banned and three other private planes were forced down by the military. linky poo I think this might be where some of the confusion arises. I can’t say whether it’s a mountain or a molehill, but it was certainly remarkably accomodating.
If one is willing to wait for a definite outcome in Mountain v. Molehill, perhaps one might also be willing to not jump to the conclusion “Democrats heart Hamas” because one has read such asserted at WND.
I’m sorry, Miss Annie 🙁
Lost in their own little world… Am I the only one reminded of the Mayflowers?
Yeah, stick around, Shoeman. You’re as much fun as Gary, and I daresay… maybe a bit more dense!
Alhough Gary’s trolling tactics are unique. Yours are pretty run of the mill.
JK47, cool nice by the way, is an expert on troll tactics. Especially in the use of calilng TROLL on a thread…
Derail debate? That is all you and your little friend do, sweetie. The only reason you come here is to interrupt discussion and “derail debate” in a pathetic attempt to get the world to recognize you in some way. When that doesn’t work you post pictures of your floppy boobs on your crap blog.
Next.
There was a justified rationale that these individuals could be on the receiving end of violence in the wake of what happened on 9/11. They were allowed to fly to more secure locations in country, yes. They were not flown out of the country until the FAA had approved overseas travel. Sorry if the facts don’t fit with your preconceived notions.
Ok, let’s see the facts.
Derail debate? There wouldn’t even be a debate here if it were not for me. All you people were doing was laffing about Tom Delay or something, and I tried to bring up some actual discussion (some of which discussion did actually occur, I will admit), until it degenerated into troll talk. Sorry if I tried to bring up some ideas you weren’t comfortable with, JK47.
So, those facts….
Well understandably there was quite a bit of anti-Muslim sentiment immediately following 9/11. Such high profile Muslims, particularly those bearing the name bin Laden, were seen as possible targets of recursive attacks of varying natures, thus, they were flown to more secure locations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bin_Laden_family
FACTS, Limpster.
LOL, next indeed. 😀
It’s ok, Shoe. You can use my lines. I’m 123% ok with that. 😉
Sooooo…he’s giving up the Hamas BFF thing, then?
And the “they flew just as soon as everybody else was allowed to fly” thing.
Well your friends, Matt, decided they didn’t want to discuss the Hamas/Democrat ties any more, and would rather discuss the bin Ladens. Rather than act like a traditional liberal dick I allowed them to conveniently change the subject so as to avoid outright embarrasment on the fact that they had completely lost the debate, but it seems like you want to bring it up again and again and again.
Buth he’s not giving up his pecker choice!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bin_Laden_family
I realize I’m speaking of subtleties again, so anything I say will go fwee! over a certain person’s head.
However. Shoelimpy. If everything in a Wikipedia entry is common knowledge, then great. If not, it’s necessary to check where the information comes from, and to then locate primary sources. Wikipedia is good for locating these other sources, but it is not, in itself, a definitive source.
I mean, for crying out loud here. It’s like the entire concept of ‘research’ must be explained to right-wingers at every juncture.
Do they even see how they are acting, Shoe? My, the lurkers will be filling our email tonight. :):):)
You might not want to change the facts of the case, Doc Smith. I said from the beginning they were allowed to fly, but they were not allowed to fly out of the country until everyone else was allowed to. I am assuming you are able to read, aren’t you?
Gavin, you’re embarassing yourself. I kinda like you, so I’m letting you know, in case you can’t tell.
Well your friends, Matt, decided they didn’t want to discuss the Hamas/Democrat ties any more, and would rather discuss the bin Ladens.
Ha ha! No.
No, we asked for those important stories that World Net Daily broke, and then the goalposts began to dance out of sight.
Oh, it’s time to give up, Gav. SoLimpy has declared an end to major debate operations in this thread.
Mission accomplished!
But this is the way New Journalism works, Gavin – research is for suckers.
You would know that, if you weren’t such a slave and dupe of the ol’ MSM.
Shoelimpy,
So, in other words, you quickly jumped to another source of disinformation and confusion when you got spanked by all the availible evidence, since there’s absolutely nothing to back up your original claim. And, furthermore, you’re hammering on a rather insignificant detail as a way of keeping the attention on you and you alone. Gotcha.
Hope that works out for ya.
Gavin, you’re embarassing yourself. I kinda like you, so I’m letting you know, in case you can’t tell.
It’s true. I know better than to engage with people who only want to provoke a reaction, and yet for some reason I feel like doing it this evening.
Gavin, you’re admitting you threw off debate and changed the subject. 😀
They most certainly will, Miss Annie 🙂
Gavin, the source of Wikipedia’s information (as noted in the quotation above) is the New York Times.
It’s called reading. It’s a good thing.
You are the one trying to provoke. Why is that? You encourage the rest of these “people” by your actions.
It’s just not like you. You do have the ability to debate, so DO it.
You’re not stupid, stop playing stupid.
Uh-oh, Shoe. I do believe your stall is inviting another mule in to do some kickin’. Looks like she’s trying to slip into some greener pastures, son.
Why does Jillian keep talking about pie?
Ummm, I brought up nothing save the original debate: Democrats have ties to Hamas.
Everything else brought up was brought up by you all. If you have a problem with these discussions, you have absolutely no one to blame but yourselves.
Gavin, the source of Wikipedia’s information (as noted in the quotation above) is the New York Times.
It’s called reading. It’s a good thing.
Darling, the text says ‘according to the New York Times,’ but I don’t see a citation.
What, exactly, is according to the New York Times?
So, let’s recap our Hamas/Democrats debate
Multiple sources (including Hamas itself) have declared that meetings between Democratic officials and Hamas took place, meaning that Democrats are having talks with an acknowledged terrorist organization.
Your reaction: WND sucks! Democrats would never meet with Hamas. If they did, what’s the big deal?!
So you couldn’t find a Times cite, huh?
Ummm, I brought up nothing save the original debate: Democrats have ties to Hamas.
And when you got embarrasingly spanked on your complete and total lack of backing for such claims and the complete and total inability to back your original and now discredited source for your claims as a valid news source, I notice you didn’t try to stick around. Don’t blame ya, but I do got to tell you something, son, you’re looking pretty sad in all this. Plumb pitiful.
The entire text I quoted is based upon information REPORTED by the New York Times.
Convenient switching of words, though.
Gaving, you don’t have to hate Wikipedia just because they took down your Sadly, No! article.
Who spanked Shoe??? LINK????
Yes, Matt T. WND sucks, Democrats would never talk to terrorists is an excellent argument, I have to admit. I am sure your Debating 101 Prof will be very proud of you.
The entire text I quoted is based upon information REPORTED by the New York Times.
So when did it appear in the Times, and what does the original article say?
This is what I was saying about Wikipedia. The accurate way to source this statement is, ‘According to Wikipedia, the Times reported that…’
Which brings up the question, What did the Times actually say, if anything?
Limp: Facts, already. Relevant statements that support your claims and come from trustworthy sources, who can be assumed to have verified the information.
Your own source points out that the bin Ladens flew all around the country while everyone else (including FBI agents) was grounded–pretty much exactly what TC said above.
Your (primary) source on the Dem-Hamas meeting recanted the tale. (WND still stands by its fabrications, however.)
Facts! Limp, get us some facts!
…and still we wait…
…waiting still…
Whoa! Doc, you’re way out of line! You’re either doing it deliberately, or you haven’t read this “debate.”
Sad, man, just plumb pathetic. I can’t watch this anymore. It’s like trying to talk to someone who thinks the moon landing’s fake because he heard that Hoagland goober on “Coast to Coast A.M.” one night.
But the last piece of advice: annie is not going to have sex with you. Ever. Seriously, let it go, it’ll save you a lot of pain and irritation in the future.
…tum te dum…
Hence showing how the media controls America.
By defining themselves as “trustworthy” when they are knowingly not, they can conveniently leave facts out of the mainstream media which they do not wish to become public. When any independent source brings forward facts, they are thus immediately ignored as not being “trustworthy,” allowing the leftwing sheep to sleep peacefully in their beds at night while their so-called leaders are having secret meetings with Terrorist organizations.
I’m going to regret this…
Out of line how, Annie?
Limp, I’m not sure if you ever noticed this, but all of the major media sources are owned by Very Large Corporations. Big conglomerates that also make weapons, petrochemicals, cars…you know, all the stuff that pollutes, or is profitable in wartime, or whose manufacture is being shipped overseas. Given this characteristic of the major media (i.e., owned by Very Large Corporations), why are they going to be left-leaning? Leave aside, if you will, the plain fact that unions and consumer advocates can’t get through the filters to make their points: what about the Very Large Corporations that employ all these media folk makes you think they’re anti-capitalist or anti-war?
By defining themselves as “trustworthy� when they are knowingly not, they can conveniently leave facts out of the mainstream media which they do not wish to become public. When any independent source brings forward facts, they are thus immediately ignored as not being “trustworthy,� allowing the leftwing sheep to sleep peacefully in their beds at night while their so-called leaders are having secret meetings with Terrorist organizations.
Wikipedia says ‘according to the New York Times,’ and I’m saying fine, okay, if we’re going to use that as a cite, then what did the New York Times, in fact, actually say?
You’re relying on the authority of the New York Times here. It’s important what the claim actually is, right?
…And not just that you can find a Wikipedia entry that seems to prove what you already believe.
Right?
Who spanked Shoe??? LINK????
http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/4558.html
For more information on how the process of control by the mainstream media works, I recommend Manufacturing Consent by Edward S. Herman and Noam Chomsky. Excellent read.
You’re absolutely right, Limp. It is an excellent read. And it makes it clear that the media is in no way leftist or liberal or anything other thatn pro-corporate.
The medium is the message, morons.
Doc, you’re out of line becasue you continue to throw off the debate. Yuo’rea ll doing it, and Shoe is taking it in stride, because he’s a gentleman.
You LOSE. You’d actually have been warned enough by now that you’d have been thrown out of any real debate.
Shoelimpy, what we’re getting down to here is that you don’t know how to evaluate sources.
Sounds like someone is an Establishment tool to me.
I came in late, but it seems that one important question is still unanswered… namely, what kind of tool is Gavin M. supposed to be? A drill press? Spokeshave? Turkey baster?
(You have to admit that it’s pretty funny that Limp has jumped from WorldNetDaily to Noam Chomsky.)
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/flights.asp
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/flights.asp
Much better. This might be a point scored.
Annie: How’m I throwing off the debate? Limp made his statement about the Dems and Hamas; I reported that his source has recanted the story. (That would be the Jerusalem Post, I believe.) Limp said that TC was FOS for reporting that the bin Ladens flew when no one else was allowed to fly; I pointed out that the NYT source that he cited states the opposite.
How ddoes that throw off the debate? You clearly have never met a National Forensics League judege–and certainly aren’t one, toots.
Herr Doktor–
Are we back to the pecker choice advocacy again?
Jerusalem Post made no official retraction, Doc. It just isn’t in the same story any more. They made no statement that it was false.
Hamas has said that it was true. No Democrats have made denials. The only people denying it, in fact, are you.
So now begins the debate on why the 9/11 Commission Report is full of shit.
Any takers?
And let us, for a moment, pretend that you are correct. (Indulge me.) After all of the hyperventilation, why would the incoming government of Nation A want to talk to the elected represetatives of Nation B? The Palestinian Authority held internationally-vetted elections, and Hamas candidates swept the vote. They’re not *terrorists*, Limp, they’re *elected representatives*. Did you, perchance, leave that part out?
Why The 9/11 Commission Is Full Of Shit:
Interviews were done in a haphazard way–for example, the President was never interviewed solo.
The Commission itself was hand-picked by people who had a large stake in the outcome, and those who had alternate views were specifically excluded.
Limp cited their work, which injects an aroma of nonentity rot into the proceedings.
We’re continuing to interact with pointless trolls.
So now begins the debate on why the 9/11 Commission Report is full of shit.
Oh, do go on with this. I’m interested in seeing how you work in the Illuminati and the Trilateral Commission.
Guess what the first link is when you Google “bin laden flight”? How long did that take FlaccidFoot?
Those interested in reading more can read the 9-11 Commission Report at http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch10.htm
Hamas is recognized by the United States as a terrorist organization. Any discussion with them are discussions with terrorists. End of story.
Hey, wasn’t this thread actually about something? I, at any rate, am SO glad Tom Delay is going to so aggressively and publicly return to being offensive. He really is the gift that keeps on giving.
Palestine elected terrorists. Doesn’t mean that we talk to them.
David Duke was a Congressional candidate. If elected, he may have been a Klansman (and therefore a legal terrorist), but also a legally elected representative.
Menachem Begin started out as a member of the Irgun, recognized by the UK gov’t as terrorist. For that matter, the Brits tried to define Sinn Fein as “terrorist” due to its overlap with the IRA.
Try again, Limp.
(Or was that the Haganah? I get so lost among all those terrorist organizations…)
Interviews were done in a haphazard way–for example, the President was never interviewed solo.
That was a special case, and you know it well.
The Commission itself was hand-picked by people who had a large stake in the outcome, and those who had alternate views were specifically excluded.
Yes, very much so. Specifically, they were interested in making the Administration look bad.
Limp cited their work, which injects an aroma of nonentity rot into the proceedings.
Wow, what wonderful logic.
We’re continuing to interact with pointless trolls.
Mention of trolls: Game, set, match.
Anyway, it’s been a slice of heaven, but I’m off to dinner. I like Limp’s work better when the “I like pie!” filter is activated. He makes more sense that way, and is less often in error.
I notice you fail to mention Senator Robert Byrd, the only Klansmen who currently resides in Congress. Of course, the KKK are not an officially designated terrorist group. Apples and oranges, bucko.
Here’s the source for the story about alleged talks between Hamas and the Democratic Party:
Do your own homework next time, Shoelimpy. It took me less than two minutes to find this thing.
(Or was that the Haganah? I get so lost among all those terrorist organizations…)
Stern Gang –> Irgun, IIRC.
Wow, an actual response!
So now we have the word of Hamas against the US Consulate. Of course, if the Democrats were really involved in secretive meetings, the Consulate would not be in the know, and thus would not have information relevant to the proceedings. Interesting we see no Democratic denials.
I agree. Our president is a “special case.”
At any rate, though this was years ago, I believe Tom Tomorrow summed up the “bin Laden flight” bit best:
…the point is not that those lucky bin Ladens got to fly in airplanes when the rest of us were grounded. The point is that the FBI apparently went out of its way to get them rounded up, contained, and–yes–out of the country as soon as possible, and people want to know why.
10th, 11th, 18th, 19th – the dates are just red herrings. Sometimes, Limp, it seems that our government has no problems whatsoever dealing with those who are suspected of or connected to terrorism.
Interesting we see no Democratic denials.
Yeah, and none of ’em have owned up to when they stopped beating their wives! Those bounders.
Yeah, and none of ‘em have owned up to when they stopped beating their wives! Those bounders.
Well, at least not until it hits the Mainstream Media.
Well, at least not until it hits the Mainstream Media.
But you said the Mainstream Media only cuts and pastes what the Democratic party tells them to cut and paste. Or something like that. Now we’ll never find out when the Democrats quit beating their wives.
I bet the Illuminati are behind this. Or the Shriners. I bet it was the Shriners, them and their little cars.
Holy shit, Doc Amazing! You have the fortitude to turn off the “I Like Pie!” filter? I gotta say, I’m one oh seven over seventy six only because I leave the script in place….
mikey
” But you said the Mainstream Media only cuts and pastes what the Democratic party tells them to cut and paste. Or something like that. Now we’ll never find out when the Democrats quit beating their wives.”
Exactly the point. Except I doubt that Democratic wife beaters have ever stopped beating their wives.
Pie I like.
mikey said,
December 12, 2006 at 2:34
HAHAHAHAHAHA. Liar.
Damn this anti-troll script works wonders…
Why do you trash the NY Times as being liberal when it was one of the biggest backers of the WMD-in-Iraq hypothesis?
The Old Gray Lady’s got a red streak a mile wide.
Sorry, NC, play time’s over. Off-topic comments should have been made 100 posts ago, when people mighta cared.
Mikey said:
Mikey, are you off your antitroll meds?
Now, if we can only get people to quit quoting them, we won’t have to read them at all. Niiiiiiccce.
Wow, Shoe, you totally schooled these idiots. At least Gavin was a gentleman, after I scolded him.
Nah, John, and this ain’t bad at all. Still here, still smilin….
mikey
My fave comment ever is the one from the future where I say:
Boring.
Nah, slimpy just quoted a claim from the terrorists, that is supported by no one else, and in fact is disputed by the US consulate, because the claim supports his idiotic contention that the Democrats are, for some bizarre reason, planning to destroy their own country…which actually has no relation to Hamas, since they are concerned with Palestine and Israel, not the US.
In other words, he’d rather side with terrorists himself, rather than Americans.
That is, once you’ve decided that elected representatives of a country are terrorists. If you start with that as a given, anything is possible, I guess.
And claiming the Bush administration says Hamas are terrorists is an easy out, I guess; One must keep in mind that teh Bush Administration also claims Jose Padilla is a terrorist, so their judgment is pretty crappy.
Gavin is no gentleman.
Capt. Trollyhottpantsless said,
December 12, 2006 at 5:40
My fave comment ever is the one from the future where I say:
Boring.
*DING*
You said the magic woid!
*blows a kiss to pinko, hell, kisses all around*
I have nothing but respect for the United States consulate in Israel and the United States Foreign Service in general. However, they are most likely going on the reasoning that Democrats, had they been in country, would have informed them of their visit and their activities, or at the very least they would be aware of it. However, if Democrats are having secret meetings with terrorists, it is obvious that the Consulate would not be informed or know about the proceedings. Thus, unless a more thorough investigation is done, the idea seems all to probable.
Where are the calls for investigation??? If this is true, we need to bring back the firing squad.
You are seeing the calls, Miss Annie. They are the Liberals telling us to shut the fuck up about the Terrorist Democrats.
They’re confused.
Easily.
Holy crap this is a long thread. Well here’s my “contribution.”
1. Why would Hamas lie about meeting with Democrats? Any number of reasons. First one that crosses my mind is that they are international parriahs and claiming that important people are meeting with them (when they really aren’t) my put their populace at ease.
2. “High-ranking” officials aren’t going to travel into the occupied terrorities without security, without attracting attention (Israel has many paid informants) or without Israeli consent. Also, the movements of elected officials are usually easy to track.
3. From above: “Palestinian Prime Minister, Dr Ahmad Yousif, has confirmed the news about Hamas officials having met with high-ranking American figures, especially members of the Democratic party.” Notice that this statement indicates that members of BOTH parties have been meeting with Hamas.
4. Notice the weirdly-worded denial posted above. “On Thursday, the US Consulate in Jerusalem denied that any US governmental officials had met Hamas officials.” OK, so no elected Democrat or Republican met recently with Hamas officials. This is almost a given. “In a statement, the consulate said: ‘According to a Western diplomat, reports about American Democrats meeting with Hamas’ officials are completely false.’ OK, so unelected Democrates are also out. Interestingly, unelected Republicans technically still could have met with Hamas.
5. Bush and co. is of course talking to Hamas on a regular basis. We are certainly not negotiating with them, but it would be irresponsible to not inquire as to what they’re about. Here’s a wild guess given all of the above… it’s possible that someone representing the Administration (probably on a fairly low level) has met with Hamas recently and Hamas makes this into a big deal. Perhaps the Administration operative was wise enough to say (falsely) that he was a Democrat, just in case Hamas proved to be a bunch of big blabbermouths. Maybe he was even counting on the fact that they would be. In any case, the U.S. and Israeli governments are not fooled, and this story will soon drift away.
Yeah I know saying all that won’t make a bit of difference in terms of what people are/are not going to believe, but I enjoyed it anyway.
1. I think that Hamas has more important things to worry with putting their populace at ease than concocting asinine stories about meeting with Democrats that are mostly going to be ignored anyway. Like the Palestinian people care if they are meeting with the US or not when Hamas agents are killing kids in the streets.
2. Obviously these meetings did attract attention, since the story was reported outside of Hamas’s declaration. However, that does not mean that the US Consulate was privy to the information.
3. It doesn’t state that the members of the American government were of any political party outside of the Democratic Party. Most likely this is referring to possible interaction with career Government bureaucrats whose party affiliations are non-consequential. It is interesting, however, that the only party mentioned was Democrats. This seems to be an important point, and one with obvious political connotations.
4. I think that any rational reading of this statement would say that the Consulate is denying any American interaction with Hamas, and this is mere semantic quibbling.
5. Talks between the Administration and Hamas are well-documented and are being done in the obvious interests of the United States and the American people. Potential secret meetings between the Democrats and Hamas are an entirely different matter, and one that certainly warrants further investigation.
Further investigation?! What kind of defeatocrat talk is talk? We already have rock solid proof that devilcrats are plotting with Hamas to increase terrorism in the world.
After all, WND has Hamas’ word that they met with demoncrats, with the only other corroborating source vanished from the internet. The only possible conclusion is that Commiecrats are plotting with Hamas to detonate a dirty bomb in the USA, given that islamocrats desire nothing more than to see their friends, families, and fellow Americans suffer and die at the hands of jihadis.
Cuz they’re eeeeeeeeevil.
Hey a response! I thought about going through a round of point-by-point counterargument, but what’s the point? It boils down to this. To me the whole business is obviously baseless; you state “Potential secret meetings between the Democrats and Hamas… certainly warrants further investigation.” Yes, yes, what a story that would be: the Democrats initiating a parallel program of foreign policy. Sure, if true it warrants investigation. And, unlike you or I, there are people out there with real knowledge and real power when it comes to events in the Mideast, and they would make it public (oh would they make it public!) if it were true. But I’m certainly not going to hold my breathe in anticipation.
What kind of defeatocrat talk is THAT.
This typo can only be the work of the vast world-wide evilcrat plan to destroy all good things.
I notice you fail to mention Senator Robert Byrd, the only Klansmen who currently resides in Congress.
Reality:
When running for Congress in 1952, he announced, “After about a year, I became disinterested, quit paying my dues, and dropped my membership in the organization. During the nine years that have followed, I have never been interested in the Klan.” During this campaign, “Byrd went on the radio to acknowledge that he belonged to the Klan from ‘mid-1942 to early 1943,’ according to newspaper accounts. He explained that he had joined ‘because it offered excitement and because it was strongly opposed to communism.’ “[4]
In 1997, he told an interviewer he would encourage young people to become involved in politics, but: “Be sure you avoid the Ku Klux Klan. Don’t get that albatross around your neck. Once you’ve made that mistake, you inhibit your operations in the political arena.”[citation needed]
In his latest autobiography, Byrd explained that he was a member because he “was sorely afflicted with tunnel vision — a jejune and immature outlook — seeing only what I wanted to see because I thought the Klan could provide an outlet for my talents and ambitions.” [7]
Byrd also said in 2005: “I know now I was wrong. Intolerance had no place in America. I apologized a thousand times . . . and I don’t mind apologizing over and over again. I can’t erase what happened.”[4]
So it’s been killing me, Gavin. Have Shlimpytm and annieanal ever slipped up and forgotten to switch to the proxy between personas? My money’s on “yes, and more than once”.
It’s OK. You can tell us.
LOL.
Dakota,
If true, it warrants an investigation? Sounds like circular reasoning to me: if its true it warrants an investigation, but if it were true, an investigation would have shown it!
You can’t have your cake and eat it too.
Once a Klansman, always a Klansman, Harris.
Y’all. . . Shoelimpy and annieangel aren’t even real. Quit feeding the trolls. They thrive on attention, after all. Starve ’em!
In re: ShoeLimpy vs. The Lefty Volcano — it’s as I’ve always said — if you want attention, be a troll.
I added a comment (text below). I wonder if they’ll post it?
The actual “eternal vigilance” quote is from Wendell Phillips, and goes like this: “Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty-—power is ever stealing from the many to the few…. The hand entrusted with power becomes … the necessary enemy of the people. Only by continual oversight can the democrat in office be prevented from hardening into a despot: only by unintermitted Agitation can a people be kept sufficiently awake to principle not to let liberty be smothered in material prosperity.”
It would seem that Mr. Delay lost his seat in congress because of that old-fashioned “eternal vigilance”. Now isn’t that ironic?
Shoelimpy and annieangel aren’t even real. Quit feeding the trolls.
Whoa, annieangel and Shoelimpy are trolls? This changes everything!
“an example of what happens to a party and a movement when we fail to fight for the principles that brought us together in the first place.”
Republicans got principles?
Not trolls, FAKE trolls…like the crazy guy next door who acts insane just for fun.
Until you’re forced to shoot him for dancing naked on your front yard….with a shotgun full of rocksalt.
News Update: Meetings between Hamas and Democrats took place in third party country
You know, Shoelimpy, we subscribe to Arutz Sheba’s email alerts. It’s sometimes interesting to see what’s new in the extreme right-wing Likudnik propaganda market.
So let’s see: Jerusalem Post, not good enough.
Aretz Sheva, not good enough.
Ma’an News Agency, not good enough.
World Net Daily, not good enough.
Or could it be that you just don’t want to admit the truth to yourself?
Jerusalem Post — redacted the story
Arutz 7 — Likudnik propaganda mill
Ma’an News — Palestinian propaganda mill
World Net Daily — dirt-grade right-wing tabloid
Anything in the Weekly World News this week?
What was that about pie again?
Jerusalem Post has not said the story was not true.
Don’t you wonder why all of these people are saying the same thing! if they are as biased as you claim why would in this one instance they suddenly agree on something if it is not true?
“Then you’ll have no trouble finding some. �
And neither will you. I am not Gavin, Brad, I am not going to do your work for you.
Awesome wingnut debate tactic:
Assert A.
When someone suggests proving A, assert, “Do your own work!” See? It’s awesome because you can say anything and it’s up to the other debater to prove your own point!
No wonder so many people are attracted to winguttia; it’s just so damned easy.
Why is it Shoe’s job to answer Gavin’s questions? He must have internet access. Liberals are just lazy.
Jerusalem Post has not said the story was not true.
Neither has the Encyclopedia Britannica. The Economist and Policy Review have also not said that the story isn’t true. Therefore it is not-claimed-to-be-not-true according to three prestigious sources.
I wish I could play this game. My life would be so much easier.
Don’t you wonder why all of these people are saying the same thing! if they are as biased as you claim why would in this one instance they suddenly agree on something if it is not true?
Right. Because the more a bunch of completely unreliable sources agrees on something, the better the chance that it’s true.
How about indulging me for a minute. Is there one non-wacky, reasonably objective, somewhat halfway credible source for this story, or is it all just a bunch of stuff that somebody claims someone else said?
Gavin defines non-whacky. 😀 I mean, LOL!
I mean fuck, look at the bullshit on this thread from your commentators, Gavvy. They libel both me and Shoe, they flame and spit and troll…..what does that make this place? Dirt grade? I mean, do you think you are taken seriously? YOu must, because you seem to be pretty much a left leaning political blog, which used to be funny but is now not.
Not trolls, FAKE trolls
Whoa, annieangel and Shoelimpy are fake trolls? This changes everything!
“which used to be funny but is now not.”
Who talks like that?
Turing failure.
I talk like that. Go shoot a laser at something.
If the Pope took a shit in the woods, and the only person who saw it was a WND reporter, did it really happen?
Hey, Shoelimpy, I got another totally excellent source for you: Fox & Friends.
According to Papist doctrine, the Pope poop is the most sacred kind. I heard that all Papists must poop in little bags on Sunday, after Communion. The little bags are collected and disposed of in a way which is kept secret. But the Pope poop is kept in a big Pope poop ball in the Vatican and worshipped by the innermost Papist elite.
In other words, the Pope doesn’t shit in the wood. 🙂
Oh come on, that was FUNNY! It’s ok to laugh, they’re all going to Hell anyway.
😀
Look at it this way, limp. If I linked to a story where the only sources were prison planet, Michael Moore and 911truth, would you believe even a word of it? I think not.
Hands up who likes pie!
Tic tac pie?
Tom Delay and the Party of Nixon should all take a lesson from Nixon.
When a high government figure is caught red-handed in criminal activity, the appropriate response is to resign, disappear and keep silent until death, enjoying the pension your co-conspirators have granted you.
Tom Delay, and all the rest of the Party of Nixon who have been forced from office through criminal prosecution / conviction, should go away. Yet, no matter how many times they are shown to have lied and / or stolen, they keep talking like they are Jesus.