Powerline: Jeesh.
Alas, once you let yourself get behind in your Powerline reading, the stupidity starts piling up like a big, stupid closet full of stupefacting stupidness — such that when you finally open the door, it all crashes out on top of you like a roaring stupelanche.
Above: One of the reasons the show isn’t called ‘Informed Sources’
But amidst the torrent of busted kites, unstrung tennis rackets, mateless galoshes, and old cookie tins cascading out of Powerline this week is the following immortal essai from a couple of days ago.
Remember the ‘Iraq is less violent than Washington DC’ meme from 2003 that resurfaced earlier this year? Or the similar ‘Iraq is less dangerous than California’ thing, also from 2003? These were, in a word, stupid, and have been shown to be abjectly false about a hundred billion times already, without even taking into account the rigorous, yet ‘controversial’ Lancet studies.
Watch as Hinderaker mounts his Acme rocket sled and takes off after that pesky roadrunner again:
I’ve written previously on the level of violence in Iraq, comparing it to murder rates in other times and places and to death rates that have been experienced in actual civil wars. See here and here, for example. My impression has been that violence in Iraq has skyrocketed since July, when I found that the murder rate in Iraq was 140 per 100,000 (the usual way in which murder rates are expressed). I was surprised, therefore, to learn this morning that rate of violence has increased only slightly:
The United Nations said Wednesday that 3,709 Iraqi civilians were killed in October, the highest monthly toll since the March 2003 U.S. invasion and another sign of the severity of Iraq’s sectarian bloodbath.
If Hindy knows what he’s doing — which is often a debatable question — then this is the element of classic sleight-of-hand that the magicians call misdirection: You’re supposed to be watching the numbers while he slips the loaded term, ‘murder rate in Iraq,’ out of his sleeve. This will become interesting in a moment. Notice that we’re now talking about murders in all of Iraq, compared to one city in the US:
That compares to an estimated 3,500 killed in July. If 3,709 people were murdered in October, that translates to a rate of 171 per 100,000. That is a high rate of violent death. But, for purposes of comparison, the murder rate in Washington, D.C. in 1991 was 80 per 100,000. So the rate of violence in Iraq today is just over double the rate in the District during the first Bush administration. I don’t recall anyone describing conditions in Washington in the early 90s as a “bloodbath.”
Let’s introduce John to a friend of ours.
Count, how many people live in Baghdad, as opposed to all of Iraq?
“About six…six million in Baghdad. Out of (one, two, three…) twenty-six million people in Iraq.”
And how many people were killed in Baghdad in October, as opposed to people killed in all of Iraq?
“Using Hinderaker’s own UN source, 3,709…3,709 civilians were tragically killed in all of Iraq in October, while 2,722…2,722 were killed in Baghdad.”
So almost 75% of all murders in Iraq occurred in Baghdad — while Baghdad has less than 25% of the country’s population. This explains why Hindy is using the much larger population figure for all of Iraq, and comparing it to one concentrated urban area in America: Washington, DC at its all-time high, crack-cocaine-fueled murder rate, in 1991.
Above: One of these things is not like the other
Let’s correct the figures. In October, Baghdad had a murder rate of 45.3 per 100,000 population. To retrace Hindy’s steps and expand that into a yearly rate, in order to compare it with Washington’s 1991 rate of 80 per 100,000,* one ends up with 543.6 people killed per 100,000.
That’s a little bit more than Hinderaker would like it to be. Which makes him…
“One…one giant crap-fountain!” [boom!] “Aa-ha-ha-haaa!!!”
The shame would long since have stopped lesser men than Hinderaker. He’ll be at it again tomorrow, just watch.
* To correct the figures in the other direction, the latest FBI uniform crime report shows a US murder rate of 6.5 per 100,000. By this comparison, the murder rate in Iraq would be about 26 times greater, making Hindy wrong by roughly 1300%. Coming up on Powerline: ‘Darfur is less dangerous than central Minneapolis, acre for acre.’
Uh, excuse me, FUCKWAD, but they’ve painted a lot more schools in Iraq in the last year than they have in Washington DC. Eat it, liberal cobag!
Honestly, this post is a perfect super prime choice AAAA+ ***** example of why I looooooorve me some Sadly, No!
Apparently you can find law licenses in Minnesota in cereal boxes. And here I was hoping for a Time Magazine Blog of the Year 3-peat.
But how many people in Washington, DC have been tortured with power drills?
Gavin, if I could I would transmit freshly baked chocolate chip cookies into your living room for this sublime entry. See my reaction here.
Where does Hinderaker think his facts and figures are going to take him? To the pony store?
No matter how he finesses the numbers, he’s still talking about thousands of people being murdered.
I don’t get the point of this argument in the first place. Even if it weren’t an outright lie to say Iraq is only twice as dangerous than DC at the worst period in its history, doesn’t that really say that our cities are in shambles?
It’s like telling your neighbors to quit whining their house is on fire because ours is too, and you don’t see us doing anything about it.
Steve, the truth is irrelevant to Mr. Hindefaker. I suggest we all chip in and buy Hindefaker a one way ticket to the Baghdad Hilton for a relatively safe and restful holiday. He can get a little suntanning in and contribute to the war effort while he’s there. Two birds, one stone.
*twice as dangerous as DC….
If the preview button would stop whoring it up and come home i wouldn’t need to be all anal about typos.
Beyond which, Senators and Represenatives aren’t being kidnapped and gunned down in DC’s streets while they get a hot dog.
http://bloggingpoints.blogspot.com/2006/11/my-first-youtube.html
Shoelimpy made a youtube wherein he chastizes liberals for being so racist.
Ok, I am now certain I am cooler than Shoelimpyâ„¢. I doubted myself.
Also, the chowderheads like to exclude a bunch of types of deaths when they do their numbers, so who knows what that “murder rate” really means. For example, they might not include getting blown up by an IED as “murder.” I wonder what the IED death rate is in DC?
Pinko, one thing you are not, is cool. That said, I like you anyway.
Comparing DC to Baghdad is still apples to oranges. DC is only a small part of metro Washington. The apropriate comparsion is metropolitan Washington with Baghdad. In 1991 metro Washington had a homicide rate of 18 per 100,000.
I was told there would be no math.
Be generous and just use just SE DC and PG Country, and you still probably only get 100/100,000 in a bad year.
But how many people in Washington, DC have been tortured with power drills?
Excellent point, g. Not too many beheadings happening in Adams Morgan, last I heard, either.
Assrocket also skates over the fact that the Baghdad figures are probably based on morgue and/or police counts, and thus, almost certainly underestimating the death toll. Many people (especially if they are Sunni) bury their dead secretly, as they fear the Iraqi militia, who are often also the police, who hang out at, and are believed by the Sunni to actually run the morgues. Funerals are great places to kill a bunch more people, you see. So they don’t want these guys knowing their names, and they’re sure as hell not going to fill out forms for them.
And Gavin, I must ask a frivolous question: While you were in your Fixing The Internets mode, did you give Hinderaker that hideous tie? It looks like it’s made out of bright green braided pleather. A loathesome object on a loathesome person–how appropriate.
Hey your lost troll Dr BLT is invading Aussie blogs. Please clean up your mess.
Statler & Waldorf, from the balcony in Powerline Theater:
Why do we always come here?
– I guess we’ll never know
– It’s like a kind of torture…
– (in unison) …to have to watch this show!
I can do Hinderaker better. Of the three Kennedy brothers who survived World War II, two of them got murdered. Yes, Bobby, Jack, and Teddy have a 66,667 per 100,000 murder rate, thus proving that it’s much more dangerous to be a Kennedy than an Iraqi, and that doesn’t even touch Chappaquiddick.
Do I have a future in crappy, pointless right-wing punditry or what?
Double A- I actually like you to, but it seems that we are more pals-ies at 3B. There is a lot more acrimony than at 3B. GC would call instigator and then someone would get grounded.
Truthfully Pinko, it hurts me that you are nicer to me at 3b’s than you are anywhere else. 🙁
It’s like you don’t want people to know we’re friends or something.
Everyone here knows we are friends, and they think I am a douche for being nice to you, but sometimes you are super mean to JIllian and my other friends here, so I sometimes I have to say something.
I don’t tell you who to be nice to, therefore I think I deserve the same respect from you. Jillian is super mean to me, and she drags everyone into her little made up hatred of me, so what??? I should kiss her ass like she forces everyone else?
Don’t be such a busybody Emu, Pinko. That is so not cool I am nice to you. That is all that should matter unless you’re an old woman that everyone hates.
Excellent point, g. Not too many beheadings happening in Adams Morgan, last I heard, either.
Didn’t about 100 people get kidnapped from the Department of Education the other day? Or was that in Baghdad? I get these mixed up now.
That “Do the Meth” thing is so appropriate in so many places.
I mean what the fuck??? Because JILLIPANTS doesn’t like me, therefore I am to be treated like total crap and everyone joins in??
Fucking LAME, fucking TWISTED and sure as fuck, fucking pathetic.
I don’t need friends like you Pinko, you know why? Because you don’t think for yourself and you are as bad as those you claim to hate. You can pretty much fuck yourself now.
I still love AG though, until you turn her against me too.
“Because JILLIPANTS doesn’t like me, therefore I am to be treated like total crap and everyone joins in??”
Actually, annie, no one likes you. No one. You act like a jerk. If you’re being treated mean, it’s because you deserve it. Now fuck off, for fuck’s sake.
Pinko just said he liked me, you should take him to task, make him straigten up and fly right!
Look! Shiny object!
Annieangel’s lame-speech quota seems to have been met here. Can’t her IP be blocked? It’s not as if she’s interested in SadlyNo posts, only drawing silly attention to herself. Tip to you all. Stop engaging her ass. IGNORE HER and she’ll toodle off.
See Pinko? You are a robot.
Yes, annie, give it a rest for a bit. You are embarrassing Me and all of the sane people in the world who think I have something to offer to the world besides ignorance and hypocrisy.
Please clean up your mess.
Yeah, like that’s gonna happen. We can’t even get the preview button back, and italics have completely taken over the thread below this one.
It does look like the real Dr. BLT, though. Link to cheezy song and everything. My condolences.
HAHAH! If this post were any funnier, I would wet myself!
Anyway, the Dead Kennedy comment was AWESOME. Jeff Fecke uber alles!
Angelcakes, simmer down. Are you happy everyone hates me because I was trying to be nice?
Space lord, mother mother mother.
Drop the loosers, people get with the choosers.
John,
Again, please ban AA. She is almost as stupid as The Hinder and even more agravating.
The fact is that the violence level in Iraq is lower than it is in many American urban areas. It’s only the media’s obsession with overhyping Iraqi violence that has exaggerated violence, and caused more violence by emboldening the enemy.
I guarantee you that Iraq wouldn’t have so many bold terrorists if not for the Democrat victory in the elections.
Sorry Gavin,
For some reason I thought this was Americablog. Doesn’t mean I am not tired of AA running everyone off. Let her go play with her “flexible St. Peter”.
“One…one giant crap-fountain!�
Well, isn’t that an onjective improvement on Swank’s blood fountains? But try telling that to the media!
Also, you could try telling it to my neighbours. They’re making a fuss again about our tastes in lawn decoration.
If only the media would pay as much attention to the mortar attacks on government buildings in Washington D.C. as they pay to minor incidents in Baghdad…
The stupidity starts piling up like a big, stupid closet full of stupefacting stupidness — such that when you finally open the door, it all crashes out on top of you like a roaring stupelanche.
More like one of those industrial-agriculture tragedies in the Midwest where a silo full of pig manure ferments and explodes. The ag corporations now try to avoid such accidents by diluting their pig-waste and spreading the resulting slurry over broad swathes as “fertilizer”. Such “fertilizing” is poisoning watertables all across America, from Ohio to northern California. Draw your own metaphors, Sadlyn-ites!
The fact is that the violence level in Iraq is lower than it is in many American urban areas. It’s only the media’s obsession with overhyping Iraqi violence that has exaggerated violence, and caused more violence by emboldening the enemy.
The *fact*, Gary, is that when you stop cherry-picking (in the least populous areas of Iraq, there are fewer murders than in the most populous areas of America!!1!), violence in those parts of Iraq where there are many Iraqis & most of our American troops is very bad and getting steadily worse. When the media talks about this, they are not “overhyping” or “causing more violence”, they are doing their friggin’ job. If anyone outside of Iraq can be blamed for this, it would be Your Dear Leader and his merry band in the Oval Office — whose ill-considered policies have not only emboldened but greatly embiggened “the enemy”, to use one of Dubya’s cuter neologisms.
So Gar-bear, because I voted for a Democrat senator and governor here in Michigan, some Shi’ite in Iraq got really pissed off?
I have the power!
All bow to the power of candy. You will be my minions, and I will give you cool nicknames like Lucky and Ace.
We will meet at alternate lairs on alternate Tuesdays, and Gary will bring the donuts.
Meeting adjourned.
Wow- I went to that youtube thing and read her “How to be a good wife” and the stuff about raising children and I thought she was joking. Apparently, she does exist as someone with self-esteem and control issues. I wonder if there is an AA for these problems?
Dammit, we’re being italicized again.
For some reason I thought this was Americablog.
BLARGGHH! You are now banned from the Americablog Space-Time Continuum!
Sorry. I had to. I never got banned from Americablog, just for the record.
Gary Ruppert, Iraq is a giant fucking black hole of suck, and it’s all your fault. Because I do not believe that you are Gary Ruppert, Troll. I believe that you are actually Teh Decider. Therefore, it is only fair that I blame you for everything that goes wrong, everywhere.
It’s no stupider than any of the things you’ve said.
One….two….threee corndogs.
Hahahahahaha!
Oh Gary- In a way I love you- you give me so much to ferment about. If it wasn’t for people like you we would just be sitting around talking about funding for the latest social program, or exchanging recipes. Thanks for making life interesting.
norbizness said,
October 10, 2006 at 18:58
I still maintain there is no Gary Ruppert, and that if there is one that he is internally generated by the creators of this site, and failing that is an artificial intelligence beta program that spits out marginally topical but cleverly disguised Powerline posts on the same subject. I am not willing to entertain anything beyond that, and have my money on the Bizarro World-1984 Emmanuel Goldstein theory.
I’m with norbizness. The Gary bot is not entertaining.
http://www.nerf-herders-anonymous.net/images/JohnLithgow_BuckarooBanzai.jpg
Gary Sez: Laugh while you can, monkey-boy!
Seriously. Imagining him as the leader of the Red Lectoids makes everything he says even funnier.
Of course he is not real. He is here to make us debate.
BRILLIANT!!
And is it really any wonder why Republicans consider Sesame Street a Leftist plot?
The italics key is stuck again.
Let’s see if this works.
Some Guy: Thanks for the linky- one of my all-time fav movies!
And Gav, luuuurve the GOP elephant going down in flames! You rawk!
Don’t mind me, I’m just here to see if I can fix the italics.
Oops.
Will this work?
Death to the Imperialist Italics!
The Revolution will not be italicized.
Viva Dan Someone!
Gary keeps moving the goal posts. Previously, there was no ‘Democrat’ victory, as the elections results would be “invalidated”. Then, the results were final, but only because of “massive voter fraud”. Now, the Democrats have a “victory”.
Of course, this from the guy who proclaimed before the elections that Democrats would be defeated en masse, and Republicans would pick up seats. Honestly, the only thing comparable to Gary is ‘Baghdad Bob‘.
Where can I get a paying job to post propaganda in blog comments from home?
if anything, hindlicker proves that Sandman Insane was one heckava uniter.
Here’s the point Hindy seems to be missing…..
Could you imagine if the entire United States were as bad as the worst neighborhoods in D.C.? Like, everywhere in the whole country? If you stood as great a chance of getting shot in your backyard in Fuzzywuzzy, Vermont as you do in Camden, New Jersey?
The whole fucking country would be in revolt if that were the case. And if there were any justice in the universe, the first victim of this sort of violence would be Assrocket and his cronies.
Taking this moment to apologize for Steve King again. We did so well here in Iowa this election; why couldn’t we have gotten rid of him?
Apparently, the really contaminated groundwater in Iowa is in Western Iowa. Really, it’s like something out of Deliverance out there.
What none of you liberals will admit is that the Bush Administration has achieved higher rates of civilian carnage than you guys ever did in Vietnam — and we haven’t even gotten started on the Agent Orange.
Suck on that!
Argh! Rahm Emmanuel has struck again with his amazing mind powers and caused the italicizing.
Hindracker’s power is so strong that he can even make the words slant to the right.
On Dr. BLT:
It looks like he showed up at World O’ Crap yesterday (scroll down).
Umm–has it occurred to anyone that Assmachine is comparing the MONTHLY rate in Iraqto the ANNUAL rate in D.C.? There’s a factor of 12 he’s off by right there.
I thought that too (other people have tried that trick), but he’s actually extrapolating the October figures over a 12-month period.
On the other hand, as sort of a token of the slipperiness of his current method, the highest murder rate in America is currently a small town with triple-digit population that had one murder over the past year. Figures that rely on population size are extremely suceptible to, you know, grotesque distortions in population sample…
“So the rate of violence in Iraq today is just over double the rate in the District during the first Bush administration.”
Great job! $ 360,000,000,000.00 well spent. You should be shot.
I love the part where he switches from a monthly total to an annual one, in the space of two sentences, and acts as if they are the same thing.
Look, assrocket, you stupid tool, in american cities violent felons cap each other with pistols and your occasional shotgun. In iraq, it’s machine guns, RPGs, tanks, armored vehicles, mortars, car bombs, gunships, artillery and fighter bombers. If you can’t see the difference in a given neighborhood, you are so much less than blind – you are willfully stupid…
mikey
“The fact is that the violence level in Iraq is lower than it is in many American urban areas. ”
So, Gary, when are you moving there and putting your kids in the local schools?
Kids?
Grow a sense of humor. Many of you really take annie way too seriously. The more you work yourself up the more she enjoys it. N calling for her to be banned is the surest way to make her target you in the future. Relax, have a hit off this.
And Gary, if that was you, please put more effort into it. Netvocates is not going to keep you on payroll for that kind of crap. You need to make claims so outlandish there’s no way to use facts and reason to respond. Like that Hillary is a serial murderer who personally bumped up the DC rates in 91 to make Bush 1 look bad, and is now a one middle aged woman death squad in Baghdad, killing nearly 100 people a day with Vince Foster’s thighbone.
I am not Gary Ruppert.
Brad?
Opinions are like assholes. Everybody’s got one, and they all stink. Here’s mine. Sadly, No is recreational. I don’t come here for work, I come here for pleasure. The humor and the community. Annie is unpleasant, annoying, humorless and willfully ignorant. Ruins the pleasure. So yeah, I’d like to see her go the fuck away and stop interfering with my enjoyment. Since I have no way to make that happen, I can at least make my displeasure known…
mikey
Why is the Count standing in direct sunlight? Is he so overwhelmed by Hinderaker’s stupidity that he’s decided to end it all? Don’t do it, Count! There are still so many things that need counting!
I’m just saying that making your displeasure known encourages her. She wants to know she’s getting under people’s skin. She considers it a kind of victory. Denying her that pleasure is the best way to respond. You can practically see the steam coming out of some folks’ ears as they comment here about here, which is why she does it.
I know I’m only digging myself a bigger hole here, but I’m far enough in that i’m permanently stained in some eyes here. I just think it’s effing ridiculous how worked up many folk here get over her. She ain’t that creative, she ain’t worth it.
*as they comment here about her.
Unless she has the preview button, in which case it’s war.
Gavin’s post went to great lengths to demonstrate, showing his work like a first semester algebra problem, how and why these comparisons are fallacious and corrected Hinderaker’s example for these mathematical errors.
And Gary comes along (after conspiring with AA and BLT to screw up the italics) and mindlessly re-iterates the EXACT SAME CLAIM!
Thus creating the need to go back to the beginning, and re-read the post. It’s another Sadly, No! loop.
But seriously, the levels of innumeracy and ignorance of logic that is endemic among Americans (and apparently a small select group of Canadians) is depressing. And more than a bit alarming.
Honestly, the only thing comparable to Gary is ‘Baghdad Bob‘.
‘Green Zone Gary’
oh, annie’s merely amusing and sometimes annoying. I enjoy being outdoors even if there are occasional gnats or bugs buzzing me. I enjoy reading S/N even if there is the occasional stupid twat childishly clamoring for attention.
iSometimes you ignore the gnats, but sometimes you swat one as it’s buzzing past you.
If receiving a one or two line nasty mention constitutes a “victory” for annie, then its a revelation of how pathetic she is.
“She ain’t that creative, she ain’t worth it.”
Yeah, and she has flabby legs.
The fact is that the violence level in Iraq is lower than it is in many American urban areas. It’s only the media’s obsession with overhyping Iraqi violence that has exaggerated violence, and caused more violence by emboldening the enemy.
He’s right. We can’t go more than a week here in Dallas without having a group of 15 people kidnapped off the streets or 20 bodies showing up in the Trinity River. And now the residents of Oak Lawn–who have controlled the roads leading into Love Field airport for months now–are lobbing artillary shells into Highland Park.
But does the media ever report this? Heck, no! They are too busy harping on the single kidnapping in Iraq last month and complaining about the two guys shot in downtown Baghdad two weeks ago. Besides, reporting what Dallas was really like would totally ruin the convention business and tourist industry.
Why, just yesterday, in downtown Des Moines, the Hispanic cleaning crew seized control of 801 Grand and beheaded everyone having dinner at the Embassy Club. Even Fox didn’t pick it up!
This is what happens when the Defeatocrats take over!
a different brad said,
November 26, 2006 at 21:57
I’m just saying that making your displeasure known encourages her. She wants to know she’s getting under people’s skin. She considers it a kind of victory.
Strangely, since we made our displeasure known, the bitch has disappeared.
(Why would anyone go out of their way to defend AA?)
If what i’m saying reads as a defense of her, i’m either being unclear or you missed my point. What i’m saying is people take her too seriously, and in doing so play into her hands. i’m not saying it’s ok she tries to wind people up here, or that she trolls in general. But those who have the power of the ban don’t seem to feel inclined to use it, so folk gotta build up some resistance to her ways.
As for her not being here right now, i don’t see any causation. For one, she’s mostly around at night, for another, with all the yelling at her that’s come before why would it suddenly impact her now?
She only comes round when she’s drinking or when Shoelimpy’s left her stranded.
She’s sleeping it off now.
It’s only the media’s obsession with overhyping Iraqi violence that has exaggerated violence, and caused more violence by emboldening the enemy.
Enemy emboldened… Check.
Enemy embiggened… Check, they’re at 36-pt already.
Enemy italicised… The media are on the brink of success.
We need to stop this madness now, before the enemy also master the technology of underlining and strike-through. Even now, they are working on the Blink tags in their underground laboratories.
Ignoring her only works if everyone participates. She has no compunction about yattering away to one or two people, and it becomes impossible to continue a discussion when three out of five posts are not remotely related to the thread in question.
I was a big advocate of ignoring her, and did a damned good job of it until the other night, when she drove Mikey off, and I kinda snapped. I wanted to engage her on her level, abandon all pretense of civilized discourse, and see if that would work. Of course, it didn’t. Nothing does. So good people continue to leave when she shows up, and she continues to show up.
She doesn’t provide any useful input, and does nothing but aggravate people who do. What purpose does she serve? Does she have a role? It could be argued that Gary has a role; as others have quipped, if Gary didn’t exist it would be necessary to invent him. I think that’s true in a way. But Annie? I hate spiders, and they are the only animal on earth that really gives me the creeps, but I don’t kill them…. However, I don’t let them encroach on me, either. When one becomes annoying, I catch him and put him outside, where he can find some other place to park his creepy legs. Just sayin’.
this is absolutely the last thing I will say about her. I’m done with her.
“We need to stop this madness now, before the enemy also master the technology of underlining and strike-through. Even now, they are working on the Blink tags in their underground laboratories. ”
Honestly laughing out loud!
My best guess is she sees her point as demonstrating hypocrisy. It is true that there’s a low level of tolerance of her here. Fucked up as her claimed beliefs are, she has a right to hold them, and rarely is there a response to her beyond how dare you believe that you stupid cunt.
I’m not saying I agree with this hypothetical stance, she doesn’t express her beliefs in ways which promote discussion. And the way she milks it is plain not right. This ain’t her blog, it ain’t about her. (And yes, i know that might sound weak coming from me.)
The reason i’m talking about her still is actually because I agree with the intent driving the rest of you, n would like threads to stop ending up about her and dying. Aside from right here I promise to stop feeding unless a thread is clearly already dead.
Candy is right that she can’t be ignored away, that’s not what i’m saying. But if people stop getting huffy and sputtering when she is her trolly self she’ll lose the reaction i think she’s after, and have less reason to troll here.
And princess? I know you’ll see this, so let me just say to you; stop being so selfish. This is not a blog about you, and whatever point you think you’re making is really little more than masturbation. Pissing people off isn’t creative, or difficult.
And once again, AA has posted some meaningless crap that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. And once again, the thread becomes all about her.
Seriously, folks. Why do you encourage her by responding at all?
Hell, it’s become about her without her even being here.
Can we take turns? When can the thread be about me?
#a different brad said, As for her not being here right now, i don’t see any causation. For one, she’s mostly around at night, for another, with all the yelling at her that’s come before why would it suddenly impact her now?
If you look at the timeline, our expressions of displeasure were conveyed last night. If she’s completely ignored she’ll toodle off. So here’s my challenge to you all who pay her mind. Resist responding to her. Ignore her completely. If you keep responding, don’t complain when she continues ranting and raving.
I’d hoped AA was another bot – like Gary Ruppert – conjured by the owners of SadlyNo, but I can’t imagine anyone taking the time to create that tacky website of hers.
a different brad said, If what i’m saying reads as a defense of her, i’m either being unclear or you missed my point.
a few posts later
#a different brad said
And princess? I know you’ll see this, so let me just say to you; stop being so selfish. This is not a blog about you…[ad nauseum]
Princess, he calls her. Barf. Not only is he defending the AAsshat, he and AA have typing-sex.
When did everyone get so pissed off? Of course we are all pissed off and at the end of our respective ropes, but this is the place where we come to not be pissed off and to entertain on another, using the power of japes and jokery to drown our sorrows. I’ll start humming “Float On” if cobagz really wanna get pissed off.
OK, pinko, you bring the japes. I think I may have some spare jokery in the cupboard.
I’m going out later on to meet this geriatric Rottweiler we’ve agreed to add to our family. I’m going to need some jokery there.
Hahahahahaha. 🙂
I love you guys. 🙂
(pinko started it)
Lesley?
Calm down, and tell me where I defended her.
N fyi, i call her princess in a non-positive sense.
No, i don’t despise her existence. Sorry that pisses you off as much as her existing, but get over it.
I’ve never seen Lesley before in my life.
Why are you kissing her ass, Brad? Aren’t you allowed to pick your own friends either?
You know you like me.
If that’s kissing ass I’m real bad at it.
You can be amusing, princess, but when you try and make everything about you it’s obnoxious. At the very least stop making it personal. This place ain’t about you or the way people respond to you.
I have never tried to make it about me. I try to debate the topic, and suddenly the topic changes to how horrible I am and how I should be killed or something like that.
Why am I not allowed to join in the debate?? You must admit that I do try to join in the discussions and am called a troll for no reason. I’m not trolling, I just happen to have an extremely strong personality. That’s a good thing. But, I also happen to not agree that I should have to conform to be accepted.
Well, that’s somewhat true, and i’ve been saying that people overreact.
But you’re not quite as innocent as you’re playing. You incite intentionally in small ways, knowing full well where it’ll lead.
I’m not saying conform, i’m just saying play nicer. Leave Jillian alone, for example.
How about Jillian stops telling people out of the blue in the middle of discussinos she is not even a part of to ignore me?
How about she just totaly ignores me and stops telling others that I’m a troll or whatever shit she likes to spew about me??
If she starts shit, I will not apologize for being better at finishing it. Don’t be stupid. And yes, I said stupid.
I think I may have convinced Jillian that her efforts in telling people to ignore you are counterproductive, so how about you agree to a cease-fire and see if a mutual ignorance truce holds?
Having a strong personality can be a good thing, but it leads to personality conflicts. Some people don’t like you, and it’s their right not to. You should be a bit more accepting of that.
I coudl care less who likes me. I’m not calling anyone upthread names am I? I don’t even know some of those people. How is what they said about me in anyway anything to do with me??
If Jillian stops interuppting productive discussions with her passive crap, I’ll leave her alone. I only ever say shit to her if she starts it, or as happened upthread when Pinko got all Emuish.
I don’t come on here attacking people. But, people in groups form cliques, and these cliques want things to go there way all the time or else. I say fuck that. Everyone has the right to speak. If you’ll notice, Brad, I’m quite nice to people who show me respect, but if I’m shown disrespect I don’t take it like a bitch. Why should I?
Because I’m me? That is wrong.
Ix-nay the oll-tray, people. There’s only one cure for obtruding twelve-year-olds when you can’t physically smack them. If their posts are ignored they’ll go find somewhere else to make nuisances of themselves. Think of this fine blog as a cocktail party, and the aa trolls are the hosts’ spoiled little yorkie who yaps & poops on the rug. If you pay the armpit piranha any attention, it will yap all evening long, but if you ignore it, the stupid little thing will eventually shut up and go back to licking itself in some quiet corner. As for the turds on the rug, they’re small enough to ignore, especially if some people would stop exclaiming “Oh my FSM, turds!” every ten minutes. When your hosts are gracious and entertaining enough, sometimes you have to live with the fact that they spoil their worthless pets to a ridiculous degree.
On the other hand, if G lets her geriatric Rottweiler start pooping on the rug, I’m going to be a lot less polite .
I’m saying not everyone comes here to be provoked. I think mikey, for example, is good people, even if he may not feel quite the same about me, and his point that threads degenerate into namecalling when you take them over is fair. These cliques have a right to do their thing, just like you have a right to speak. I’m trying to argue they should be a bit more tolerant, or at least less reactive, just like i’m saying you should try n be a bit less provocative.
Just try turning the other cheek now and then, princess. If you are as awesome as you say you shouldn’t feel a need to prove it to every two bit challenger.
See, Brad? What the fuck? Most of this tread is people bashing me, I come on and MAKE SENSE and now, suddenly, the groupthink alarm goes off.
Obviously “ignore” isn’t going to work because adifferentbrad feels affection for AA. Perhaps those of us who are fed up with trolls and the people who pay attention to them should boycott SadlyNo comments until the assholes are blackholed.
Hey, hey. He’s house broken. Not like some trolls I might mention.
Um, have you seen what Mikey said to me Brad? I’ll get a link for you. I was discussing POLITICS, nothing personal and he attacked me. He needs to learn control. He’s not a fucking animal, is he?
http://missannieangel.blogspot.com/2006/10/worse-than-andrew-is-mikey.html
I sure deserved this, for discussing politics, right??? I was the one out of line, for debating politics, right?
Send us to the OVENS!!!
Perhaps those of us who are fed up with trolls and the people who pay attention to them should boycott SadlyNo comments until the assholes are blackholed.
Well, we really don’t like to do that. Hmm. As a first effort toward mutual comity, I’m starting a special, designated annieangel thread — for people who are annieangel, and for those who share a common interest in annieangel-related discussions.
[firing up wordpress]
I’m not getting dragged into anything between you and mikey, princess. If i’ve managed to calm things down between you and jillian at all i’m going to just be content with that small achievement. Mikey is also a strong personality, and if his expression of it rubs you wrong, well, pot meet kettle. If you want to provoke you have to expect provocation in return.
And lesley?
Get over yourself.
Self-righteousness is half of what this place exists to mock in the other side, maybe you should take that lesson n make it personal.
Truthfully Brad, I’d be very happy if Jillian lays off telling everyone what to do when it comes to me. I enjoy discussing things with people here, and I think it’s mutual. But once the thred is full of: “oh a troll kill it” and bullshit spam to “avoid the troll” which is like double off topic, it’s just a big mess created to stop anyone from having a two sided debate.
I think there should be a thread just for people to tell other people who to talk to and who not to talk to.
And, for the record, i meant it when i said earlier i’m going to mend my troll feeding ways and stop helping threads lose their purpose. i don’t mean to contribute to the problem, and in fact i’m trying, probably futilely, to help make it less of an issue.
Yes, it won’t work, but at least i’m trying.
Geez, the fucking Drama Queen made her entrance right on cue, chewing the scenery.
“I’m starting a special, designated annieangel thread — for people who are annieangel, and for those who share a common interest in annieangel-related discussions.”
Actually, I think this is a good idea. Let her put on her One Woman Show, and see how ticket sales go.
I’ll help you, Brad. If you start feeding a troll, I’ll drive the thread off topic until you stop.
I’m not going to put on a show. It’s MY thread, dumbass, you have to put on a show for me.
Gavin, blacklisting trolls would demonstrate some respect for your readers. Your decision to cater even more to these assholes by firing up special entries just for them (perhaps you’ve created these characters for your own amusement) demonstrates nothing but contempt for those of us who’ve supported and enjoyed this blog.
The comment threads usually account for half of the enjoyment I get here…no more, since AA and her multiples have taken over.
They’re not amusing and they don’t deserve, by virtue of existing, to be here. Kind of like George doesn’t deserve a shot at living just because his dad and mother fucked once.
I’ll stop poking at your oversensitive hide after this, lesley, but intolerance is a vice whether held by a lefty or a righty.
George Bush has as much of a right to live and love as anyone else. He doesn’t have a right to be president and fuck the world up, but a douche is still a person. Hatred is stupid.
Oh oh Gavin!!!!!
You’ve been told!!!! 🙂
One thing I won’t tolerate, Brad, is intolerance.
Gavin, blacklisting trolls would demonstrate some respect for your readers… They’re not amusing and they don’t deserve, by virtue of existing, to be here.
Lesley, I agree with your assessment of what the twelve-year-olds add to the general discussion (sub-nothing), but it’s Gavin’s & Brad’s & Retardo’s & Seb’s blog and if they don’t choose to block nuisances on their own blog, they have that right. As good guests, if we’re going to come to their blog-parties, we have to bear with minor annoyances.
Seriously, I assume aa is a couple of twelve-year-old homeschoolers because waltzing into a conversation and announcing “I am wonderful, and all of you suck!!1!!” is the sort of thing that might strike a couple of bright but socially-isolated preadolescents as witty. It might, on the other hand, be Jonah Goldberg’s alter ego, Gary Ruppert’s younger sister, or an aging cheerleader with a neglectful spouse and a substance-abuse problem or whatever its blogsite claims. But it’s just as hooked on negative attention as positive attention, so it’s up to us grown-up people to IGNORE IT until it loses interest and goes the hell away. Which I doubt would take very long, if it couldn’t feed its neediness at the glow of everyone’s loathing.
“feed its neediness at the glow of everyone’s loathing”
I wish I knew how to snark.
My, but the stupidity of A**scratcher piles up when one is away from the computer having fun!
Back on topic, let’s simplify: Iraq gets the equivalent level of death and destruction of 9/11 every 4 days, courtesy of destabilization caused by the U.S. Ain’t democracy grand!
What Lesley said. If you don’t ban a********l, then we’ll be forced to kick him in the balls.
I’d crawl through a thousand twisted comments to read a post like this one.
Well done.
there’s nothing worse than an aging conservative harpy who flaunts whatever body part she has left that isn’t completely sagging.
in this case, annieangel flaunts her ‘legs’, and hides the rest of her from us. we get to see that she has legs. good for her. not quite as ‘impressive’ as Atlas Juggs, though. Because most men are titcentric, not legcentric.
Annie reminds me of that one geriatric sexmaniac from Golden Girls, you know, the scary one who talks about sex all the time and likes to think she still has something to offer the guys?
annieangel, please, stop. you make me vomit a little every time you spew your conservative claptrap here.
“But how many people in Washington, DC have been tortured with power drills?”
Politicians don’t count as people…right?
I don’t show my legs on this site, ever.
I’ve been asked a billion times on this silly site why I only show my legs, but I don’t show anything here.
I show quite a bit on my own blog though. Idiots.
Just been to your site, nice legs, if they’re yours.
On the other hand that is without doubt the ugliest blog I have ever seen.
Just sayin’
annieangel flaunts her ‘legs’, and hides the rest of her from us. we get to see that she has legs.
AA is 12 years old, I thought we’d established that. Those are her Mom’s legs.
Can’t stop talking about my legs, can you?
[…] The wingnuts are spinning. Powerline is playing with statistics again, but not very well. Bush — why do we let him speak anymore — blames Al Qaeda for the violence in Iraq. I'd read Juan Cole in a bit to find out what someone who had heard of Sunnis and Shiites before the war thinks of that assertion. […]
So lets be clear about the facts:
— Condi Rice wears a flak jacket at the Baghdad airport for the short walk from the plane to her armored car. Yet she shops for shoes in DC completely unprotected.
— Preznit Bush won’t even set foot in Iraq for his upcoming meeting with Malik. And I don’t think it is beause the Emperor only receives, and is never received by, others.
Once again reality contravenes the fantasies of wingnuts. And the sun came up again today too.
The wingnuts they do not understand the count…
http://americablog.blogspot.com/2006/11/white-house-staff-lies-says-iraq.html
[…] It is tough to say, for sure, whether she will go or not until she actually gets on that Baghdad-bound plane. Malkin has immersed herself in the kind of mindset that Iraq is safer than [state city] based on inaccurate murder rates of inequal samples, a la Power Line. […]
[…] Rogers and Sadly No make a point I’ve had rattling around in the back of my head but been too lazy to do the math for. […]
Who cares if D.C. in 1991 is better or worse than Bagdad in 2006? Those were black dudes and these are brown dudes, why should we care one way or another? Or New Orleans for that manner…
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