You know, somehow I didn’t think that the Republicans could top rampant corruption, secret torture prisons, and institutionalized incompetence.

Harboring pedophiles. Hoo.

In a way, I’m kind of impressed.

This post is awesome. The cherry on top is the reference to Shoelimpy. Brilliant.

Oh Brad, you’re such a jealous fool! 😉

We should start a Not-Straight Republican betting pool.

It doesn’t seem like there are ANY heterosexuals in the (R) division at all anymore.

I’d give 15-1 on Santorum being a kiddietoucher, personally.

Wow, Jillian thinks all homosexuals are diddlers.

*rolls eyes*

The fact is that Republicans are acting like gay pedophiles to scare islamofascohomophobes.

The fact is no one could have anticipated a breach of the Levi’s.

The fact is no one could have anticipated a breach of the Levi’s.

God you guys’re funny 😀

I was wondering when you guys would take a cut at the biggest, fattest hanging breaking ball the political world has tossed out there since, well, ever.

Nice job.

From: hlecter@hannibalthecannibal.com
Date: August 13, 2006
To: cstarling@fbi.gov
Subject: RE: What do you make of this Foley guy?

First principles, Clarice. Read Marcus Aurelius. Of each particular thing ask: what is it in itself? What is its nature? What does he do, this man you seek?

Somehow, when I think October Surprise, I don’t think House Leadership covers up on Child Predator was what Karl Rove had exactly in mind.

I was merely following the principles of the Leave No Child’s Behind Act of 2001.

Foley was a bad boy, and my brother Jeb will prosecute him. Now lets drop the Foley issue — because, as Congressman Hoekstra said today,

“The problem has been dealt with.”

It’s time to move on, and to address the critical issues that face our nation. Gas prices are coming down (not that we Republicans made them go up, we only control the downshift), and the stock market is almost back up to where it was under Clinton (not that we Republicans made it go down, we only control the upshift) and the Democrats are gay , er, um, ah, that is to say, ah, hmm, the way I see it, now look, see here, the Democrats are sadly lacking in the strength and the will to fight terrorism. Thank you for your support, and God Bless America.

Hey, I’m tryin’ to sell a book here! All this Woodward and Foley crap – could my publisher have picked a worse week? Seriously – I’ve come this close to telling you what I really think of the fucking Decider and his wars! I mean, go to Amazon and buy it already!

awesome.

Wasn’t the “kid” sixteen? The age of consent in most places is 16. Sure, it’s sometimes higher for homosexual encounters, but I think that’s bullshit. He isn’t a pedophile, but unfortunetly he’s still a Republican.

Federal law apparently prohibits soliciting or describing sex from/with minors. New law that Foley sponsored.

Jillian-

I’d take that action on santorum being a pedophile. He’s got the thing for the puppies.

And yeah, most of the R’s seem to be Batting For The Other Team. Not That There’s Anything Wrong With That; it’s the perversions on top of it, combined with self-loathing and repression, that makes it so ugly and yes, more than a little sad.

The age of consent in most places is 16. Sure, it’s sometimes higher for homosexual encounters, but I think that’s bullshit.

Actually, I agree with you. I don’t think the evidence is that Foley is a pedophile, if we are being exact in our terminology, but an ephebophile, someone attracted to post-pubescent teens. Which, I guess, is the lesser of two evils, but still unquestionably creepy: first, there is the whole power issue–Foley is considerably older and a congressman, which means he can weild a lot more power, or make the kid thing he has more power, than the 16 year old. Already the issue of consent is raised, because of both the age and power differences. If the guy wasn’t guilty of hitting on a kid, he’d be guilty of sexual harrassment. In this case, he might be both. Pederasty might have been OK in ancient Greece, but so was raping your wife and owning slaves.

Ahem.

Secondly, there’s just something really creepy about a significantly older person being attracted to someone who is barely old enough to drive. I say that with a fiance who is eight years older than me–and even then, age difference is sometimes a little weird (he was in high school in the 80s; I was watching the Thundercats). Again, it’s either a power play, or the person is so emotionally stunted that they can’t be around people their own age. At which point, the person needs a shrink.

Having said that, even if the kid is technically legal in some states (leaving aside the whole stupid differences between when a girl is legal, when a boy is legal, and when a homosexual boy is legal, which is complicated in itself) doesn’t mean Foley should have EVER have been head of a commitee overseeing child sexual abuse, or ANY TYPE OF SEXUAL ABUSE. I mean, WTF? Foxes! Henhouses! What the hell is wrong with these people?!?

Actually, Greenwald is saying that the felony is based on the Adam Walsh law (of which Foley was a supporter!) , which establishes the age of consent for contact over the internet at 18…

But if Foley had gone to Washingtonhe could conceivably have consensual sex with the kid; but then be subject to statutory rape.

Did Karl Rove know that the October surprise was a heapin helpin of weapons grade Schadenfruede?

I got into this over at another site, but this ain’t pederasty, at least not in the ancient sense. 16 is right about when a pederastic relationship was supposed to end, back then, when the youth became sexually mature. The point was that the relationship was not supposed to progress into adult homosexuality.
Small point that has nothing to do with anything, really, but I’m a nerd and don’t want to hear Foley or his defenders using ancient Greece to say he’s ok, not that Mary Jones was doing so.

Here’s a few facts on this case.

#1: The Republican Leadership did not know of the IMs until this Friday. And when they found out, they told Foley to resign.

#2: The E-mails have been known to the press for almost a year. Yet they refused to do anything. The Republican Leadership investigated this matter and found that there wasn’t enough evidence to do anything.

#3: The Adam Walsh Law does not apply ex post facto to communications from 2003.

#1: Fallacy of equivocation

#2: Fallacy of equivalence, aka two-wrongs-make-a-right

#3: Straw Man fallacy

I think we should all consider sending Mark Foley some sort of thank you card. What beats being weak on terror? Being weak on closeted gay cyberpredators.
My god.
I can’t stop cackling.
The best part is the timing, the way this blows the ‘victory’ on torture and habeas corpus out of the water. Someone on the left has decided to start actually playing the game.
Can you imagine how scared the repubs are now?
“Wait, you mean the open secret hypocritical sexual relationships we have are fair game now? Oh, shit.”
Yes, I know some dems undoubtably have some ugly skeletons in their closets, too, but face it, people are used to dems getting it on. Repubs are the ones who’re supposed to only do it missionary style with the lights out and not enjoy it.
I hope/predict that Jeff Gannon will be famous again before election day.
Ohhhhhhh boy oh boy oh boy.

Well, sweet pea:

#1: The Republican Leadership knew about the e-mails AND that the page and his parents had complained, which is enough to order an investigation. Or a cover-up, it seems. Apparently it was well enough known that “[o]ne former page [told] ABC News that his class[2001-2002] was warned about Foley by people involved in the program.”

#2: Hastert knew, then didn’t know; Boehner told him, then didn’t tell him. They never fully investigated, they hushed it up, purposefully kept it from the only Democratic member of the committee, protected the guilty party, then lied when they got caught. Some people might think that shameful; not our Gary!

#3: The point is what he did would be a felony under a law HE got passed, which is a little bizarre, even you must admit.

From: jgumb@buffalobill.org
Date: August 13, 2006
To: cstarling@fbi.gov
Subject: RE: What do you make of this Ruppert guy?

Oh, wait. Wasn’t he a great big fat person?

One of the reasons that Gary is so annoying is his statement of “facts” that are simply untrue. Hey, I can understand that, to a rabid partisan, some facts are unfortunate, but heres the deal, Gary. You have to accept the FACT that sometimes you’re going to have to accept that bad things happened to your side. When you say the house leadership did not know about Foley a year ago, you are directly contradicting the AP, Congressional Quarterly, Dennis Hastert and Roll Call. Honestly, you need to accept that Foley was a perv, your guys covered it up ’cause they didn’t want to lose the seat and it blew up in their face. Live with it, fer cryin out loud…

mikey

GOP staff warned pages about Foley in 2001.

Mikey, Gary’s repetitive statement of untrue “facts” is standard Gooper operating procedure.

Iraq has WMD
Iraq was involved in 9/11
We’re bringing freedom and democracy to the Iraqi people.
No one could have anticipated a breach of the levees.
“torture is never acceptable, nor do we hand over people to countries that do torture.”

And on and on. Had Enough?

Technically it’s not quite pedophilia, it’s ephebophilia. Like R. Kelly, hopefully minus the urination.

Mark Foley presents…

Trapped
In The
Anteroom!

Wow. I mean the guy is a dirtbag predator sure, no doubt about it, but what’s with the gay bashing????

Gay really doesn’t have much to do with his behavior, straight guys do crap like this to women ALL THE TIME.

Please stop hating homos. Thanx.

Interns even!

Gay really doesn’t have much to do with his behavior, straight guys do crap like this to women ALL THE TIME.

Yeah, basically. I know it’s fun to play the gay card with a party devoted to homophobia, but I think it’s ultimately irrelevant with regards to what happened. Focusing on the gay aspect just helps the right “strengthen” a non-existent connection between homosexuality and child molestation.

AMEN!

You know what it is? More than anything else? The “x” on “thanks.” It’s the sprinkles on the cherry on the whipped cream on the icing, y’know?

but what’s with the gay bashing????

This from the idiot troll who figures the best way to solve the violence in iraq is “Carpet Bombing”. I know, I know, don’t feed annie. But to come over here, to as tolerant a community as I have ever seen and make an accusation of gay bashing just to stir up shit and get attention is beyond stupid, and it pisses me off. Of course, I have developed a healthy hatred for annie over the months, so I think it might be better for all if I just stopped reading her bullshit…

mikey

Scott Montgomery, the government and politics editor at the St. Petersburg Times, explains why his paper did not publish the story last November:

So, what we had was a set of emails between Foley and a teenager, who wouldn’t go on the record about how those emails made him feel. As we said in today’s paper, our policy is that we don’t make accusations against people using unnamed sources. And given the seriousness of what would be implied in a story, it was critical that we have complete confidence in our sourcing. After much discussion among top editors at the paper, we concluded that the information we had on Foley last November didn’t meet our standard for publication. Evidently, other news organizations felt the same way.

Since that time, we revisited the question more than once, but never learned anything that changed our position. The Louisiana boy’s emails broke into the open last weekend, when a blogger got copies and posted them online. Later that week, on Thursday, a news blog at the website of ABC News followed suit, with the addition of one new fact: Foley’s Democratic opponent, Tim Mahoney, was on the record about the Louisiana boy’s emails and was calling for an investigation. That’s when we wrote our first story, for Friday’s papers.

From The Buzz, the Times’ Florida politics blog.

Hurry up and notice how Moran responded to your comment, official Brad. I don’t want to steal your thunder but dat sheet is funny.

make an accusation of gay bashing just to stir up shit and get attention is beyond stupid

For the record, I’m not saying anyone is gaybashing, I just think the element of homosexuality is irrelevant to what he did, and that the right likes to draw a false equivalency between molestation and homosexuality.

Mikey…

Amen to that. There is one, and only one method for dealing effectively with trolls.

Do. Not. Respond. To. Them.

No. Matter. What.

(Well, technically there are *two* methods. But I don’t know any ninja stealth assassins.)

Seriously, though – why should anyone care about what a lowlife whackjob like the aforementioned troll says about anything? Life’s too short…spend it worrying about more important stuff, like dirty shower grout or something.

Have a Guinness with me.

From: jgumb@buffalobill.org
Date: October 1, 2006
To: g_rupperto@netvocates.com
Subject: Instructions

It posts the GOP talking points on Sadly, No! It does this whenever it is told.

Wasn’t the “kid� sixteen? The age of consent in most places is 16. Sure, it’s sometimes higher for homosexual encounters, but I think that’s bullshit. He isn’t a pedophile, but unfortunetly he’s still a Republican.

He’s a hebephile not a pedophile. To the family values voters it’s the same thing. Unless you are trying to maintain a plurality in the House.

But Foley himself made it a federal crime to do what he did. Like the closeted gay basher, it makes for great cover to be against sex criminals.

Actually, I’m having a great big zinfandel with a rich berry nose and a tactical nuclear finish, some cheese (edam) and I’ve got brownies in the oven. The very first rain of the year is falling gently, but it’s plenty warm so I’ve got the patio door open. As you might guess, it smells like heaven in here…

mikey

Technically it’s not quite pedophilia, it’s ephebophilia

yeah, what he said.

Ooh, Mikey….I’ve got a recipe for a fruit spread that involves a good moldy bleu cheese with minced hazelnuts.

That with some great bosc pears would be so fabulous with what you’ve got…what time should I be there?

>#1: The Republican Leadership did not know of the IMs until this Friday.

But the emails. Congresspeople DO NOT have email friendships with teenage pages. Kinda like the CEO doesn’t pal around with the janitor. Just doesn’t happen. Beyond that, Foley is a (deeply closeted) gay man. Not that there’s anything wrong with that (the gay part, the deeply closeted part is way f’ed up). And it’s an open “secret” that everybody in D.C. seems to know. Those two things together didn’t send up a big red “Mark, you gotta come clean with us” flag?

Oh, never mind, check this headline:

GOP Staff Warned Pages About Foley in 2001; Hastert calls on Attorney General to investigate his own party

Hmmm, why does “Foley” open his first email with:

Hi is this Gary Rupert …

Looks like CREW and Soros, Wilson & Plame, Pelosi & Reid messed up this RatherGate-like fabrication. Fake but accurate? Sadly, maybe.

Oooh, Rick Moran gave Brad R a spanking:

Pimp your blog somewhere else.

You’re going to need ice for that one. That’ll leave a mark.

Clarice Feldman is cute furiously commenting away over at Right Wing Nuthouse and Just One Minute and American Thinker (giggle) and every other right wing blog trying to spin this story. She imagines she’s FBI Special Agent Clarice tracking down the evil Soros/CREW/ABC axis in The Silence of the Donks.

It couldn’t be that Foley had inappropriate communications with young pages and Hastert and the House leadership didn’t give a damn. No, it’s the evil left wing conspiracy hatching an October Surprise. That and Bill Clinton did it, and some guy back in 1983 and Barney Frank did too, so there! And they didn’t resign like Mark “family values” Foley did.

You see, Democrats celebrate their perversions, but Republicans cover them up, er, resign over them.

“It doesn’t seem like there are ANY heterosexuals in the (R) division at all anymore.

I’d give 15-1 on Santorum being a kiddietoucher, personally. ”

Gaybashing.

Point of order, Mister Chairman!

Promoting your own blog on another blog is blogwhoring.

Promoting somebody else’s blog is blogpimping.

For example, Sydney Blumenthal says the Foley scandal has just begun.

I’d love to find a blog of some gay guy with a sexual infatuation with Bush. Highly humorous.
Maybe that’s just me, though.

Well, ok then. In that vein, if you missed it, Juan cole has a a different and very scary take on torture on his blog today. I strongly recomend you give it a read and think about what it might mean…

mikey

This must be some kind of Republican talking point: critics of Foley and the Republicans in Congress who covered up for him is GAY-BASHING!!11! (which is something Republicans are, like, totally against).

Not that any of this is new information, but…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ansell/List_of_political_sex_scandals_in_the_United_States#_note-0%23_note-0

Um, Doc? Most of that list was no surprise. But I swear on all that is . . . well . . . swearable, I guess — that I’d never heard this one before:

George W. Bush, Republican president, accused in a criminal complaint and lawsuit of raping Margie Schoedinger, who later committed suicide. Accused by Tammy Phillips, a former stripper quoted in the National Enquirer in 2000 saying she had an affair with Bush that had ended in 1999

Am I the only one who never heard this? Where the hell have I been? I do so try to keep up.

“It doesn’t seem like there are ANY heterosexuals in the (R) division at all anymore.
I’d give 15-1 on Santorum being a kiddietoucher, personally. �

To which annie responds: “Gaybashing.”

In what sense does “I think that person is gay” count as gaybashing? Especially considering that the party in question is constantly playing the “GAH! The GAAAAAAAYS are coming to steal your CHIIIIIIIIILDREEEEEEEEN!” card in their campaigns?

Never heard of that one either. But then again, it was in the National Enquirer.

Dorothy –

The person to whom you are referring is a troll. If you are looking for sense or logic in her responses, well…

…you might as well look for straight male Republicans.

Or unicorns.

Mikey, that was a great link. Thank you.

Mikey that was a wonderful link to Juan Cole’s site. There were so many important things to be gleaned from this. But the one thing that people still refuse to acknowledge as the greatest threat to the US happens to be China. No, I’m not talking about the evil Communist Red Chinese, but rather the huge sums of debt that they hold over our heads. China doesn’t have enough of a middle class to turn off the US relationship for exports, but as soon as China has enough of a middle class to take over form the US market that’s when all bets are off. At that point, we will be servants to China and we will have to do what they say when they say and how they say or else we will become a third world country overnight.

Hey, I’m not the only one who can see that you are all jumping on the old gay=diddler train.

One does NOT denote the other, you all need to stop with the excuses and admit that you took your game a little too far. When Jillian said that all the Repubs are gay, and then tossed in the diddle remark….it was quite obvious she either didn’t think before posting or she thinks all gays are diddlers.

Now stop with the gaybashing, it’s soooooo dated.

WHY WON’T YOU PEOPLE LOOK AT THE CLOWNS?!?!

What’s the German word for schadenfreude?

Oh, annieangel, you are one of the funniest parody trolls I’ve ever seen.

What? You’re serious about the accusations of gay-bashing?

Omigod, THAT MAKES IT EVEN FUNNIER!

Welcome to the Fox News Fantasy World.

Hey mikey, if you think that’s good, go back and watch The Power of Nightmares, a BBC documentary which basically covers the same sort of ground, with regards to the threat of Islamic fundamentalists, Neocons, and how they’re basically the same coin.

Wow, this just blew my mind:

http://bloggingpoints.blogspot.com/2006/04/how-to-be-good-christian-wife.html

Annie, did you write this? I didn’t think you had a husband, given the cheesecake pictures on your blog. If you did write this, how does it feel to be that stupid?

Never heard of that one either. But then again, it was in the National Enquirer.

And the Texas Observer.

mikey: ” Actually, I’m having a great big zinfandel with a rich berry nose and a tactical nuclear finish, some cheese (edam) and I’ve got brownies in the oven. The very first rain of the year is falling gently, but it’s plenty warm so I’ve got the patio door open. As you might guess, it smells like heaven in here…”

Um…wow. Are you over in the next canyon? Cause we’re having a great zinfandel with a grilled London Broil, and the first rain fell earlier today, but it’s warm and we have the deck doors open and we can smell the Brugmansia blooming in the garden……

Whyn’t you come on over and introduce yourself?

Oh, Gawd, unhinged. We went over that annie post months ago. She’s a total psycho. Really. Just forget about it.

Sorry, g, I must have missed that post. Still, just…wow. It’s like something out of the 50s.

Yeah, annie likes to be provocative.

No I don’t. I just speak the truth. Truth is provocative, not me.

Oh, for fuck’s sake, annie. You’re a damn joke.

It’s really better when you don’t talk to her. Sometimes she threatens to stick around if we don’t engage her, but it doesn’t take too long before she gets tired and goes home. I know it’s tempting to respond but . . . really . . . it’s just better when you don’t.

No, you’re the joke. You just can’t handle the fact that I am better educated and a better debater than you are.

It pisses you off becuase I make you face up to the fact that you can’t defend your own positions with consistency. Or even know what they are. 😀

So you get frustrated and call me names. 🙂

I can’t; wait? to hear… what, Kaye Grogan – thinks: about all (of) this?

And that’s just my opinion.

Ok, last one, I promise:

You just can’t handle the fact that I am better educated and a better debater than you are.

Cool! Always nice to meet a member of the club! So is your graduate degree in rhetoric, composition, language arts, or logic?

And just a word of advice from someone who’s been around the block a lot: Generally, when people are messing around in conversational speech (like, oh, I don’t know, on a satire site), correcting their grammar or rhetorical structure just gets you branded as an asshole. Wait until you walk into a party and people start complaining that they have to start using “whom” now because you’re around. It’s the best way to lose that party girl reputation, trust me.

I don’t correct grammar! In fact, I admit I can’t spell or grammarate. I’ve actually asked the grammar nazis on this site to help me by correcting my grammar when it’s wrong.

Correcting my spelling doesn’t help. 🙂

But, did you just call yourself an asshole??

So you see, Dorothy, it’s just not worth it. Now, where has my little friend Gary gone off to?

I don’t correct grammar! In fact, I admit I can’t spell or grammarate. I’ve actually asked the grammar nazis on this site to help me by correcting my grammar when it’s wrong.

Stop wasting time on the Internets, bitch, and make me a sandwich.

?????

She slamed me and I was nice to her. Is that why it wasn’t worth it? You can’t provoke me? Doesn’t that prove I’m a nice person?

Admit you only pretend not to like me because you don’t like it when I make you feel stupid, and maybe I’ll leave.

Admit you only pretend not to like me because you don’t like it when I make you feel stupid, and maybe I’ll leave.

Ahh, classic Annie. I give it a ten for narcissism, a ten for childishness, but only a three for booziness.

Total score: 23.

Hey, I’m a heterosexual female. So by annie’s peculiar logic, that must mean I think rape is OK. Because, if I don’t, I’m “straight-bashing”!

If you said, all dems are straight so therefore they are diddlers, you’d be right, casey. As it is, you’re not even close.

But thanks for showing your bigotry!

Shorter Gary Ruppert:

No one could have anticipate that our closeted, gay, conservative, Republican vote-fixer would turn out to be a lying creep.

Gary, I wanna hear how this is going to help out Charlie Crist–as only you can put it!

C

Must delurk and BP. “I like steamroom” by The Editors. Go. Right. Now. OMFG.

Annie only becomes active at night.
Hmmm…
Hides under a mild-mannered alter ego during the day, then, after nightfall, dons the dark mask of annoynimity that is the Internet, and rides off to the blogs to fight for the Parody Way!

OH. MY. GOD. Annie is Batman! And a little bit of the Lone Ranger! Yes, it all makes sense now!

Come on, I’m just in the mood for a quick spar. What’cha got for me tonight? Don’t feel the need to stick with the GOP thing (Grand Old Pedophiles, yaarr!), branch out, spread those darkened wings!

OMG, there’s a fucking “link: tag stuck on. I really hate it when that happens. Now, as far as the “gay” comments go, I didn’t take the Santorum–is he a child-toucher? one to gay at all, nescessarily. The gender of the hypothetical child victims is not mentioned. They could be boys *or* girls… or *both*! Now, if someone had said “Rick Santorum-likes touchin’ the *young” boyz.”, then I woulda had a problem, ‘cos the “all gays are childtouchers” is one of those zombie lies that just refuses to lie down and stay dead. OTOH, I’d appreciate it if everyone would stop this “All Republicans are self-loathing closet-cases!” crap. They are NOT! True, many gay Repubs are very closeted and self-loathing. But, they are almost insignificant-nothing compared to the numbers of gay Dems. So, stop it.

Well if all Republicans are gay…….DUH!!!

Someguy, grow up.

None of this would have happened if Clinton hadn’t raped an intern.
Clinton set the standard.
You didn’t see Reagan banging interns, you didn’t see Kissenger getting blowjobs, no, none of that. Those guys were serious legislators. Reagan won the Cold War, Kissinger bitchslapped Mao and woulda won the vietnam war if not for the hippies. Fuckin’ hippies.

Clinton set the standard that all you liberal pukes must now live by. Porno IMs and saxaphone music. Welcome to the liberal world, get used to it, its all fucked up and its all your fault.

As well, the fact is that those IMs are not verified, and we’ll need to figure out who leaked them to the press in order to access their validity.

Hey Marq….it would never occur to me to think that a pedophile who selects young boys is *gay*. Such a man would be, simply, a pedophile. Pedophiles are neither gay nor straight – they’re in a class by themselves.

This particular bit of pop culture confusion also drives me crazy. Gay men like men. They can also tell the difference between men and boys. Nobody goes around thinking that straight men are pedophiles because they like women, and all women were once little girls. The same should hold true for gay people.

Must delurk and BP. “I like steamroom� by The Editors. Go. Right. Now. OMFG.

I spewed coffee on my keyboard. Required reading.

As well, the fact is that those IMs are not verified, and we’ll need to figure out who leaked them to the press in order to access their validity.

And of course, the fact that Foley resigned upon hearing ABC would publish them, after his having downplayed the e-mails, is immaterial.

Forgive me for taking Annie seriously for a second, but she(?) does allow for a good point to be made: “For the record, I’m not saying anyone is gaybashing, I just think the element of homosexuality is irrelevant to what he did,”

Ok, you did actually say that people here were gaybashing, but your cognitive dissonance is not what we need to discuss right now.

I suspect that his closeted homosexuality lays a very big role in what he did. He is embarrased of what he wants, and he knows openly living it would destroy his reputation with his constituency. So he targets the young, impressionable, and, most importantly, intimidatable (Kaye can’t TOUCH that comma usage, baby!) children he has contact with. He’s probably not a pedophile, except by the standards of his own legislation, but he does want absolute dominance and the appearance of devastating retribution over his victims.

Were he not closeted and self-loathing, he may have long ago found his way among his peers, and have been as repulsed by the idea of seducing young boys as we are right now.

However, given the circumstances and repetitive nature of his crimes, only one punishment would seem to fit – baliff, whack his pee-pee.

Sorry, but I cannot feel much sympathy for gays in the Republican party at this point. They neither leave their party, nor work to reform it from the inside. They want it both ways – both the support of their constituency, whom the Republicans encourage in their homophobia by their behavior, and the freedom to enjoy their sexuality. In the end, they’ll have neither. And to be honest, they don’t deserve either.

I’m very disappointed by the commenters in this thread. Assuming gay people are automatically pedophiles (and vice versa) is -so- 1994.

All I have to say is, didn’t Foley ever hear the cardinal rule of Capitol Hill scandals:

“You can get away with anything, as long as you’re not caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy”

As for all the accusations of “gay-bashing” is there anyone who doubts that if he had been Foley (D-FL), that the Dobsonites, Bozo-ells &ct. would have been screaming about how it supported their demonization of the decadent secular Democrats and their evil, Homo Nup persuing ways?

the “gay bashing” comments are coming, by and large, from trolls.

“It doesn’t seem like there are ANY heterosexuals in the (R) division at all anymore.

Gaybashing.

You can see why, from some people’s perspective, this falls a little short of gay-bashing.

annieangel, you should be ashamed of yourself.

Hey, Annie. How about a just a teeny bit more outrage for Mark Foley and the Republican leadership that covered up for him?

Its not a question of sympathy. Its a question of pathology.They don’t deserve sympathy, since they made their choices and chose evil with their eyes wide open.

Being able to understand why they chose that way is important to understanding the entire story, and may be part of preventing it from happening again.

For instance, I think it strikes a major blow against the idea that outing closeted politicians is wrong. People with that much power shouldn’t also have deep secrets they are afraid of having revealed, because they will almost certainly be willing to abuse that power to protect those secrets.

Do I even need to point out that pedophiles go after children – male and female? That pedophilia has nothing to do with homosexuality? That Foley’s behavior is hypocritical and creepy because of the power relationship, not the gender of the people involved? That it was annie who assumed that “kiddie toucher” equals “gay”?

Bloggo,

That’s not my comment.

No, it was Jillian who assumed that. I just pointed out that it’s not true and actually the way you are all trying to cover for your bigotry is disgusting.

And I said Foley was a disguting predator. He is. But not because he’s gay.

I’m pretty strongly in favor of outing elected officials, but only in circumstances where they support anti-gay legislation.

People have the right to keep their sex lives private. You sicken me.

Clowns on my left side
Clowns on my right side
Clowns in th emiddle
And you’re not here
I need a big loan
From the troll zone

If only we had Trogdor’s mighty arm and burnination skills, we could do something about these trolls.

I’m glad you’re so upset about all the horrible gay-bashing going on here, annie.

It’s too bad you weren’t around a few years ago, showing your outrage at political satire sites, getting your dander up over comments like:

“It doesn’t seem like there are ANY heterosexuals in the (R) division at all anymore.”

and

I’d give 15-1 on Santorum being a kiddietoucher, personally.”

I might still be alive if you had been around back then, fighting so valiantly for gay rights.

“People have the right to keep their sex lives private. You sicken me.”

Likewise, if a congressman hires illegal immigrants to mow his lawn and watch his kids, it is inappropriate to bring that up if he is publically against immigration. That is an unfair intrusion into private life…

I can see it now.

“Are you now, or have you ever been, a homosexual?”

That’s what you want???? Voyuers, a bunch of freaking voyuers.

“People have the right to keep their sex lives private. You sicken me.�

Not if it hurts someone. Anyway, when did you suddenly become so liberal with sexual matters, Ms. “Only whores use concentrate”?

How the hell does someone’s orientation HURT anyone?

Whores can be both gay or straight, like pedophiles.

At 17/7/06 7:33 PM, AnnieAngel said…

I’ve never liked Hillary Rotten Clinton. Can anyone say, “closet lesbain/drunk?”

Bloggo, I’m the one who made the comment that Foley’s (hypothetical) homosexuality is irrelevant to what he did. And it is–it’d be wrong no matter the gender of the kid. Not that I disagree with the delight in seeing the Republicans, a party that likes to call what consenting adults do somehow evil, be caught harboring a guy who did something actually evil–i.e., sexually harrassing minors.

“He’s a hebephile not a pedophile”

…and when I pointed it out to a person at work they said:

“YOU’RE JUST DEFENDING HIM!”

I work with people like Anal Annie…

I think Hillary want to play with boobs. But I don’t think she should be “outed” becuase of it, it’s really no one’s business.

For those of you who don’t get it…

Jillian said, “We should start a Not-Straight Republican betting pool.

It doesn’t seem like there are ANY heterosexuals in the (R) division at all anymore.

I’d give 15-1 on Santorum being a kiddietoucher, personally.”

It’s linking “kiddietouching” to homosexuality. It’s like saying, “We should start a non-felon black-person betting pool. I’d give 15-1 on Condi going to jail for perjury before Congress.” It’s really rude and perpetuates a stereotype.

I thought the original post was funny. But the “gay person = statutory rapist” in the comments is pretty stupid. Maybe I’m being oversensitive, but I didn’t expect to run into it on – of all places – Sadly, No!

You are the one assuming that “Not-Straight”=”Homosexual”.

I never said that.

The sexual spectrum’s a lot bigger than your straight/gay dichotomous representation of it, buddy.

The “link” between pedophilia and homosexuality is in your mind, not in any of the words I wrote.

You’re sure sounding like a troll at the moment, so I doubt I’ll be back to this. But if you see homophobia here, I’d get your vision checked.

Yeah, Jillian will call you a troll now because she won’t admit she made a biggoted remark.

Just admit you didn’t think, Jill. Trying to cover by calling people a troll is weak. Next you’ll be telling us about all the gay friends you have.

ephebephile, innit?

Baiting annie is so Spring ’06. This season’s new look marks a wistful return to Dr. Sammich.

Point of diminishing returns passed long, long ago. Seriously, Gary Ruppert told me over a beer, “Annie is so batshit, she makes my head hurt.” Draw your own conclusions.

If you all don’t stop with the bashing of me, I’ll never leave. UNDERSTAND???????????????

Grow the fuck up.

/rolls critical on bashing mace +5 (+7 vs. demented)

Nerd.

Jillian is writing off my replies as trolling, but I’m trying to point out her remarks as insensitive and rude. I have a personal interest in trying to make sure my parents don’t believe gay people are pedophiles or stalkers.

annie fails her saving incantation counterattack roll and is dealt an automatic -4 INT. Unfortunately demented creatures show no obvious ill effect until INT goes below zero.

Next turn.

“If you all don’t stop with the bashing of me, I’ll never leave. UNDERSTAND???????????????”

God you make me HOT!

But sometimes the basher leaves YOU, n’est ce-pas?

I don’t want you to leave, annieangel.

I’m very, very happy to see somebody fighting such a valiant battle against gay-bashing.

So, how much time do you spend protesting Fred Phelps? It must be A LOT of time, considering how passionate you are about ending gay-bashing, and how much time you spend here. Your passion makes me forgive your straw man arguments and your non-sequitors.

With more concerned people like you, we will end gay bashing in our times.

Since the so many of the R’s who were swept in back in the days of the Contract On America seem to want to turn the legislature into more of a religious conclave than a secular legislative body, it’s only fitting that the dominant faction of legislator priests are diddling the altar boys here too (and having it covered up from on high).

[…] Gary dropped the ball like an out-of-shape goalie, Now no one can help him, not even Mark Foley, So he’s gettin’ kicked out without even a hug, He’ll be south of the border, tossin’ salads for drugs. […]