This Analogy Isn’t Just Lame; It’s In A Hoveround.
Posted on June 3rd, 2011 by Tintin
And now I shall demonstrate a “pas de poisson” for you.
Shorter America’s Dumbest Homosexual™, The Gay Quislings:
Republicans Fight Back Against Medicare Misrepresentations
- The Democrats who are persecuting the Republicans by saying they want to get rid of Medicare are just like the Nazis persecuting the Jews during the Holocaust, and the Republicans are now just like the Jews who fought back against the Nazis.
‘Shorter’ concept created by Daniel Davies and perfected by Elton Beard. We are aware of all Internet traditions.™
Yep. That shorter is 100% accurate.
Meanwhile, Republicans want to kill Medicare in order to save it.
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Needs Moar Hitler.
President Obama is the Hitler of teh gay patriot holocaust.
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Democrats hate clean air and children!!
It’s _finally_ a warm and sunny day in Portland. Ain’t no way imma risk my brain melting down from reading anything written by GayPutzRiot. This is a _nice_ boat.
You know who else are also Nazis for persecuting Republicans on teh Ryan Medicare Extravaganza Deluxe? A majority of Republicans.
And also Hitler.
YAY! New thread! I can finally start drinking again.
Good God, Republicans are playing chicken with our whole economy but DEMOCRATS are the big meany tyrants for suggesting that may be kind of a not great idea. Ri-ight. Also “the debt is THE ONLY thing that matters, we will do ANYTHING to get this right!! As long as it’s cuts in these programs we’ve listed, no others. P.S. no taxes” is bullshit. ALSO TOO HITLER.
yes, we have all seen by now that the death panels are up and running, so the republicans totes did not misrepresent *obamacare* at all! i’m so glad they are finally being honest…also too, it’s awesome to see the gayputzriot get totally owned by all 4 commenters…
Republicans are so victimized!
WHOOOP WHOOOP WHOOOP. Check your p00pcorn levels folks, Poopy’s got a bite!
Republicans forgot you never go full Orwell.
YAY! New thread! I can finally start drinking again.
There is a new college drinking game that is sweeping the country. To play the game you need large quantities of beer (a snobby Oregon microbrew is best) and your preferred liquer for doing shots. The game begins with the random selection of a Sadly, No! thread. The players then take turns reading the comments. If the comment you read contains a pun you must drink some beer. If it contains a euphimism you must chug your beer. If it contains the word poop or penis you must do a shot. And if the comment you read contains poetry then you must do a shot followed by a chug.
There is a new college drinking game that is sweeping the country.
that’s it…i am going back to college…careers are for suckers!
You know who else posted comments that didn’t contain the words “poop” or “penis”?
That’s right…
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On the one hand it’s a travesty to fuck with a Margaret Bourke White photo. On the other, thats fucking sweet.
Sorry to OT so early: convincing evidence that a majority of Americans still have their heads firmly up their asses. ESPECIALLY when you compare the first graph to the second one.
Also too, I suspect they’re maxing out on Hitler analogies because “commie” and “socialist” have been done to death and no longer have the bite they once did (especially with a new generation that’s never known the Cold War). Projection also and too.
On the one hand,,, What are you doing Pup? Dan’s already editted his response to you in teh comments!
On the other hand, I’ve been banned.
Nice timing.
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I didn’t realize how quickly he’d butthurtingly delete my post so I didn’t save it or screenshot or nothing. Ah, well – here’s teh gist:
PeeJ’s attack on Dan is like the Holocaust. And besides he’s wrong because as Dan points out, there’s also a comparison of the Democrats to Gaddafi and teh Ayatollah.
Meanwhile, Republicans want to kill Medicare in order to save it.
who says they never learned the lessons of Vietnam?
YAY! New thread! I can finally start drinking again.
whaddaya mean “start”?
I am clinging to the boat like it’s my wooby.
Sorry to OT so early: convincing evidence that a majority of Americans still have their heads firmly up their asses. ESPECIALLY when you compare the first graph to the second one.
Part of the problem here is the question. I’m guessing if they took the term “redistribution of wealth” out of the question it would change the responses.
Dems = Nazis
GOP = Jews
Medicare = Autobahn? Nuremburg? Eva Braun? V-2? Schnapps?
Someone help me out here.
Medicare = Josef Mengele. Duh.
Holy crap, I might have to click through… did he really go all Godwin? If so, this bit (“And in our country, Republicans are fighting back, no, not against a murderous tyranny”) kinda shoots his argument all to hell.
That’s the trick right there…maintaining the claim that they want to save Medicare, because it’s a good thing.
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Holy crap, he did go GO GODWIN!!!
Remind me never to leave the boat!
B^4, never leave the boat!
B^4,
Dan opens the post with
In his reply to PeeJ (editted, BTW) he says
And indeed that’s true. He also says that Medicare-killing Republicans are like teh Libyan opposition and Iranian pro-democracy activists.
Have you been banned too, Pup Max?
On the one hand,,, What are you doing Pup? Dan’s already editted his response to you in teh comments!.
I was making a POOPIE. He did? Where. How?
It is rare that he bans people, D-KW, I give him that. I mean, he even leaves some pretty vile nasty shit from the vile nasty common taters untouched.
It is rare that he bans people
In his defense, I was a bit over-the-top sarcastic (if you can believe that). I suppose it was reasonable for him to ban me – that kind of behaviour is just like the Holocaust.
I was making a POOPIE
i am intrigued that you do not put the same stunning detail into the poopies you’ve made as you do with your food pron…
In his defense, I was a bit over-the-top sarcastic (if you can believe that). I suppose it was reasonable for him to ban me – that kind of behaviour is just like the Holocaust.
i think you should prolly get a box of wine and go over and commiserate w/anne and meade…i’m sure they have valuable advice on dealing with such persecution…
The cool thing about this analogy is that Republicans
are shoved alive into ovens and burned while their teeth are pulled for the goldlose.I was banned there after my second comment.
FUCKIN HITLER.
Gay person thinks that the political party whose platform directly challenges his right to exist in this country thinks said party is being persecuted just like the jews were persecuted by the nazis….
It makes sense if you don’t think about it or know anything about anything.
I was banned there after my second comment.
You told him you’re gay, didn’t you? That’s where you messed up.
I would just like to say that the title for this post is awesome. And I’m staying in the boat, it’s a very nice boat, and there are cold alcoholic beverages, and chairs to relax in on the POOP deck. And no Hitler also too.
pup just got schooled over there by northdallasthirty or forty or whatev his nym is…and which one of you is ‘nameless cynic’?
I do have to thank Dan for pointing out teh latest round of liberal-media providing cover fire for Medicare-killing Repubs. Holy fuck that’s pretty bullshitty bullshit.
Here’s teh AP FactCheck on Wasserman-Schultz’s thrown to the wolves statement:
Well, indeed the Ryan plan forbids denying coverage based on pre-existing conditions. Unless that pre-existing condition is not being a mega-gazillionaire.
See – guaranteed coverage!
I was banned there after my second comment.
Only one for me! NEW HIGH SCORE!
And an alternate title for the awesome photo:
Jazz hands!!!!!eleven!
I can finally start drinking again.
Me too!! Can’t get a proper drunk on without Tintin’s p-shops!
Here’s how this debate has actually gone:
R: I want to eliminate Medicare and replace it with a voucher program that doesn’t keep up with the rate of inflation.
D: The Rs want to eliminate Medicare and replace it with a voucher program that doesn’t keep up with the rate of inflation.
R: I DO NOT! Well, what’s YOUR plan to get rid of Medicare, then, Mr. Smartypants D?
What heart could be cold enough no hear this exchange and not hear the guns of the Warsaw ghetto?
I was banned there after my second comment.
Some people really have issues with Belgians.
Is Jim (comment #10 for those who dare get off the boat) a Sadly? His comment should arouse concern and scorn…
i am intrigued that you do not put the same stunning detail into the poopies you’ve made as you do with your food pron…
I am GLAD he does not put the same stunning detail into the poopies he’s made as he does with the food pron.
I do love the food pron, though…
Remind me never to leave the boat!
I was the same, normally dont go for the mangoes unless i’ve been drinking, but this needed a look, and yes, he went full Godwin, early doors….
and he’s not sorry about it…. what an absolute wanker…..
Is Jim (comment #10 for those who dare get off the boat) a Sadly? His comment should arouse concern and scorn…
Yes, he is.
ho, ho! so nice to see the sadlies in action…golf claps and martinis for everyone!
i suspect there will soon be some screaming of ‘bullying’ going on over at gayputz…
Man, recent events in Vermont must really be making these corporatist bastards shit their drawers in technicolor.
To quote the great 20th Century philosopher MacDonald’s Restaurants: I’M LOVIN’ IT.
Daniel isn’t very good at this:
Post is now edited.
I was banned there after my second comment.
Some guys have all the luck!
ALSO: Concern & scorn both duly noted.
Scorn-trolling? Well, sure, dude’s gotta have a hobby, I guess.
So … was it good for you too, baby?
re: guaranteed coverage.
I hadn’t realized how atrocious teh Ryan Plan was. Sure it kills Medicare – that’s bad enough what with the unimaginable amounts unprevented suffering that will ensue. But even for folks who have teh cash to insure themselves get fucked over – and not just from losing their Medicare.
Teh Ryan Plan calls for Medicare Health Exchanges and teh government checks go straight to the insurance providers. To qualify for the Exchange, you have to provide the required basket of coverage and the only factor you can consider in premiums is age.
A small number of old people are probably moar than enough to tip the cost balance, notwithstanding teh vouchers. If you’re a reasonable healthy geezer (with loads of cash), you may be better off getting non-Exchange insurance.
But you won’t stay healthy forever (otherwise why bother with insurance?). And the coverage “guarantees” are only for the Exchanges. When you consider what the private health insurance industry already does to their customers in regards to dodging claims, jacking up premiums and dropping coverage at random,,,
CBO is predicting around a 50% increase in cost for teh Ryan plan. It’s not immediately clear, but that increase is probably without a corresponding increase in medical services provided. This is horrible in that as costs are increasing, teh Ryan Plan’s killer app feature is that government will pay less and less for it. BUT,,,
Where does the money go?
This plan not only tortures and kills those that can’t afford the already ridiculous premiums they’d face – those with teh cash bucks are also screwed. Teh additional feature of teh Ryan Plan is that wealthy seniors are going to be bled dry by the insurance industry.
The POOP in question was the end product, heh, of a chicken cut up and sauted in olive oyl. Of course the carcass (including most of the wings) went into a zipper bag thence to the freezer. I now have enough parts to make stock – I’ll make a fabulous, rich brown chix stock this weekend, put it into one-cup containers and restock my freezer. After the chix was browned in a DeBuyer carbon steel pan to make a fabulous fond I removed it to a plate and tented with foil. About 40-hundred clubs of garlic then got lightly browned in the pan after which I deglazed with a hefty glug of cognac. Some dry French Vermouth (Noilly Pratt, it MUST be Noilly Pratt) was added and all reduced somewhat. A couple sprigs of fresh thyme went in, as did the chicken with the juices on the plate and a heavy drizzle of cream. Cover and simmer for 20 or 30.
Freshly made semolina fettucine (gawdam I love my Kitchen Aid!). Roasted halved sprouts de Bruxelles – olive oil, salt and pepper, lemon zest. Oh, right, I squeezed the lemon into the garlic cream sauce.
A nice malbec
That photo is missing either a sammitch or a weiner.
13.jim,
Are you really that allergic to facts?
yes, jim…are you?!?!
FY iPad. A nice malbec, but cheap, from one of my favorite vintners in Mendoza (wonderful place for a foodie and wine lover, I’d love to go back).
Also FYWP.
Now let’s pop back over to teh GayPutzRiot…
I loved Pelosi’s response. “Yes, we have a plan. It’s called Medicare.”
Pupienus said,
June 3, 2011 at 19:55
goddamn…i want to come and live with you…
Ahhhh … ahhh … AAAAAAAHHHH –
*AHCHOO*
*AHCHOO*
*AHCHOO*
For God’s sake, someone turn off C-SPAN quick, before I go anaphylactic!
Well, Jim, it seems that The_Livewire has strong arguments, with a link to NewsBusters. Maybe there’s something at ThinkProgress or Media Matters to set him straight.
I believe that jim had his allergy under control until they took the Mucinex off the shelves and put it behind the counter. Damn those big guvment regulations.
<i.I believe that jim had his allergy under control until they took the Mucinex off the shelves and put it behind the counter
i have noticed a marked decline in jim’s writing…not being able to crush and snort mucinex must be the answer…
however there is no answer to my continual bbkf tagfail…
Mrs Manqué is off to Italy tomorrow so we had a celebratory meal last night. Calabazas horneadas (she really likes saying that) which is basically rajas con crema with a bunch of corn and chunks of summer squash. Fire roasted anaheims with Mexican crema, lots of onion, corn and squash topped with parmesan and bread crumbs and baked. Shrimp Diane K-Paul style (mushrooms, shallots, garlic, cajun spices, large butter ) on rice, spinach salad, Sierra Nevada Torpedo. She’ll probably eat OK in Italy but it will cost a lot more.
I’m afraid gueypatriot is out of his depth arguing with Sadlynauts. I actually got out of the boat and it’s sad over there.
OT: The National Academies Press just announced they’re releasing all the books they publish for free, online.
Not OT: two titles related to the current “discussion” about Medicare:
Improving Health Care Cost Projections for the Medicare Population: Summary of a Workshop
America’s Uninsured Crisis: Consequences for Health and Health Care
I didn’t see “Hitler” mentioned in either of these when I skimmed them. Weird, eh?
however there is no answer to my continual bbkf tagfail…
Perhaps grinding and snorting Tagamet might help with that.
There are rumors of another Hitler Bunker Parody about to begin. Possibly with a scene called Dance Party.
Unless it’s all fart and no POOP.
There are rumors of another Hitler Bunker Parody about to begin. Possibly with a scene called Dance Party.
win potential: +1
it seems that The_Livewire has strong arguments, with a link to NewsBusters. Maybe there’s something at ThinkProgress or Media Matters to set him straight
Do ThinkProgress & Media Matters dispense Haldol now?
Sorry – unless I have good reason to suspect that some real primo lulz are yet to be milked, I very rarely ever follow up on my trolling. Good trolls never linger.
The waters of Lake Hokum are appropriately roiled, the unquiet beast of brute reality is set free to lurk among the butthurt sleepwalkers, & the acrid stink of their comfort-zone-fetishist Free Market Panacea bullshit is just that tiny bit less subtle than before, just that much more blatantly offensive to any random lurker with a working set of frontal lobes who wanders along … & thus, my work there is done.
Besides, it’s past time to go back into my coffin & rest for another day.
Pleasant … dreeeeeeams???
*moonwalks into shadows*
I’m afraid gueypatriot is out of his depth arguing with Sadlynauts. I actually got out of the boat and it’s sad over there.
Anybody up for trolling from the right and calling out his cowardice on deleting the Godwin violation? Also, anybody get a screencap?
Yeah, me too.
Question, though: do you have to be, like, THAT into food to be a bonafide foodie? ‘Cuz the whole making my own pasta and stock kinda stuff…those things just aren’t gonna occur in my kitchen. Now…murdering the next person who gets underfoot while I’m trying to cook or clean…that might happen.
Indeed!
Also, there are more ants in the Brazilian rain forests than there are people in Arizona! (An equally relevant fact.)
For-profit health insurance companies insure people when they are relatively young and healthy, i.e. working for a living. After they retire, and get closer to the end of their lives (i.e. when their health care costs began to go through the roof), the government gets them via Medicare.
The Republican answer is: get rid of Medicare! (Because they never wanted it in the first place…shiftless olds can die in the gutter, for freedom!)
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“Now…murdering the next person who gets underfoot while I’m trying to cook or clean…that might happen.”
Whoa. Good thing there aren’t any little folk in your household………
Oh no. He’s allowed. In fact, he will be delightful company. I can’t stand it when adults get in my way and take over my kitchen. I’m the most laid-back person in the world, almost to the point of being comatose…but that makes me feel frenzied.
The likely outcome of the Ryan plan is that every senior citizen will use up all of his or her wealth in health care expenses until it runs out and they die.
There’s gotta be a TV ad in that: The Ryan plan. The REAL death tax.
OT It’s tag time once again, Sadlies.
Teh General has a review up to like as well.
bbkf,
Well, the Hitler project pretty much requires getting out of the boat. So I may need to medicate first….and damn Real Life has been interfering with my Sadly Duties.
Doodies
Medicare fraud alone is more than the profits of Humana, Wellpoint and Aetna combined.
I wonder how much of the Medicare fraud is divided up amongst the profits of Humana, Wellpoint and Aetna. It is of course better to get rid of Medicare than to simply deal with the fraud. After all, that would be more big gubmint regulations. And besides, good Republicans like Rick Scott might end up in jail
murdering the next person who gets underfoot while I’m trying to cook or clean…that might happen.
ha, ha…this is your life now…i only have teh hubby to interfere w/me and he has finally learned (after 26 freaking years) to uh, cooperate…
from teh general’s review:
Still, like so many others in Mr. Breitbart’s fan base, I ignored my better judgement and bought his work.
*glowing*
and damn Real Life
being an adult and working and what not really sucks…
and now i have to leave job #1 and go home to get all vacuumslayery in my house before i go to work at job #2…got company coming and i have been lax in my household duties…heh…doodies…ta, y’all!
Just what is it with the foot freaks?
also, just had to pop back in and let jim and pup know that they have really pissed tgc off over there…ha, ha…
OT and awesome–
Enjoy prison, Edwards.
being an adult and working and what not really sucks…
Those things would make it worse for sure.
No, vs, you don’t have to. You are free to remain a poseur – this is a free country after all. WOLVERINES1!1!1! Too.
re: Medicare’s higher claims rejection rates.
1. These are denials of claims – not treatments or coverage. A non-trivial distinction.
2. The majority (if you trackback all the way to the AMA study) are administrative denials and not because the procedure is deemed “medically unecessary”.
3. Medicare Advantage is administered by private industry and contributes to Medicare claim denials.
5. Four is unlucky.
6. Medicare is covering a slightly different population than other insurers. One that may have slightly moar complex and complicated issues associated with it. See #1.
7. Hitler.
8. Fluffing my way through CARC and RARC codes – I can say that it is not an apples to apples comparison. For fucks sake, considering how bloody complicated the insurance industry has made it, it’s not even a quantum chromodynamics to Fermat’s Last Theorem comparison.
9. For example, AHIP claims 2.36% denial rates while the California Nurses Association says it’s 21%.
10. re: #2 and #9. About 1.5% of the 6.85% Medicare denials are not for administrative reasons or between a quarter and a fifth. Teh nurses number is 21% but includes denials for administrative errors &c. Teh doctor’s number is around 4% or roughly a fifth. Again, this is a complicated issue and tough to measure but that’s one of those interesting observations that
might lead to a research grantbears investigating.Pupienus said,
June 3, 2011 at 19:55
I don’t read your food posts anymore. They make me too hungry. I mean I eat pretty well, fresh fish, vegetables, lots of fruit I don’t know the name of, nothing frozen and never anything from a box or a bag, or anything with more than three words written on it. But you got the food torture thing going pretty strong. Iris looks at me and asks what’s wrong. I try to explain to her that there’s this pupienus person who must be like the best chef in the world describing them’s lunch….Iris gets mad and says to turn the stupid compu off and come eat, now. And our lunch is gong to be pretty good too because Iris is a really good cook. I don’t know what else to say to you about this except maybe when I return to the U.S. you could have us over for dinner. We’ll bring the vino.
Hey Pupienus — how hard is it to make pasta with the Kitchenaid? I have one (Artisan model), but haven’t purchased the attachment doohicky for pasta. I make my own tortillas and will never go back, but [shudder] still buy pasta. If it’s as anywhere near as easy to make as the tortillas, I’d be stoked to never buy pasta again.
*gnashes teeth* You wound me, sir!
re: fraud.
This one’s easier. From teh obviously impartial linkee
From teh folks behind teh AMA Report Card that they’re allupons over:
I VOTED for that guy during the primary. *slaps forehead*
Enjoy, foodies!
I got nothin’. My brane isn’t working at all. Is this the first stage of zombie-hood? Or do I just need more coffee?
GGAAAHHH!!!
My fucking fucking senator, Michael Bennett, just emailed me wanting my input on priorities in the big, scary deficit reduction thing that is the MOSTEST terrible thing afflicting our society.
Options for reducing the big, scary, awful deficit are, of course:
Ryan’s Plan
Catfood Commission plan (*not his words)
Obama’s deficit reduction plan (which, I’m ashamed to say, I’m not overly familiar with)
and of course, perennial faves ‘Other’ and ‘No Action’.
and for What Component [..for a deficit reduction plan…]
Bipartisan
Cuts in discretionary spending (not including defense spending)
Cuts in discretionary spending that include defense cuts
Reforms of entitlement programs such as Medicare
Tax reform
A comprehensive plan that includes cuts in discretionary spending, entitlement reforms, and tax reforms
Other
No debt reduction plan is necessary
I LOVE that there are options for ‘reform’, no explanation as to just what that entails.
He got a response full of bolded and underlined options, Raise taxes, cut military spending, etc.
I eagerly await the response
“thank you for your concern…. I, like you, are very worried about the deficit…” etc.
/rant
Catfood Commission plan (*not his words)
Obama’s deficit reduction plan (which, I’m ashamed to say, I’m not overly familiar with)
Don’t forget, Obama created the effing Catfood Commission.
/rant
Enjoy, foodies!
oh good god!
Don’t forget, Obama created the effing Catfood Commission.
how long before michelle starts telling amurka’s cats what they can eat?!?!?
hey vs…if you need someone to hold your babby, just give me a call…he is ADORABLE!!!
“Enjoy, foodies!”
That was so bizarre and funny I was asked what i was laughing at. Um, exactly how does one explain what I just witnessed?
“hey vs…if you need someone to hold your babby, just give me a call…he is ADORABLE!!!”
Aww, thankee. I may take you up on that. 🙂
a belated hearty congrats on the babby, vs. It appears I can go over to your place and view him??
“appears I can go over to your place and view him??”
Yes, once I procure the appropriately-sized glass box.
“Enjoy, foodies!”
i had to go watch it again…why does substance hate my plans to perform my wifely duties?
What do donut sammies have to do with blow jobs?
What do donut sammies have to do with blow jobs?
oh, heh…what i meant was i really should be cleaning up the crapshack instead of watching paula deen getting it on w/a sammie…
I VOTED for that guy during the primary. *slaps forehead*
Since Bill Clinton, I have made it a rule not to vote for any asshole with a southern accent. I have yet to be proven wrong. Those Democrats down there are still southerners.
His “2 Americas” thing was right on, and I applaud him for having the guts to say it, but he always looked like a smarmy little fuck to me. I wish I could have voted for his wife (RIP).
Yes, once I procure the appropriately-sized glass box.
be sure to poke some holes in it!
but he always looked like a smarmy little fuck to me.
he has a tom cruise vibe going on that makes me feel icky…
be sure to poke some holes in it!
silly…that’s only if she’s going to mail him someplace!
oh, heh…what i meant was i really should be cleaning up the crapshack instead of watching paula deen getting it on w/a sammie…
BBKF; You still clean? Offa the smokes?
Accurately describing Ryan’s plan is LIBEL!
Who will be #3? Dr. Kevorkian, James Arness dead in their 80s.
*checks link*
whew
Since Bill Clinton, I have made it a rule not to vote for any asshole with a southern accent. I have yet to be proven wrong. Those Democrats down there are still southerners.
Excuse me, what the fuck?
BBKF; You still clean? Offa the smokes?
YUP!!! two weeks today! i’m guessing you are too?
Really, making your own pasta is super-easy, and you don’t need any fancy machines for it (although one of those old-fashioned chromey-crank-thingies helps a lot).
This only applies, however, to lasagna noodles and any narrower strips you can cut lasagna noodles into (fettucine, linguine, etc.) Extruded pastas are where the fancy machines come in, and not only are they harder to make, there’s much less advantage to it. Just buy good-quality dry spaghetti or macaroni (I think American Beauty is really underrated and frequently on sale.)
If you do buy dried lasagna noodles, get the pre-cooked. There’s no shame in it. They’ll soak up the sauce much better, and really: dry first and then boil, or boil first and then dry—what’s the difference? Boiling is a simple enough process I trust a factory to do it competently.
(How come my spell-checker knows the word linguine, but not the word fettucine?)
Kitchen Aid used to sell “pasta plates” for the meat grinder / sausage stuffer attachment for pretty cheap. They are completely worthless. The pasta roller attachment kit is pretty fucking awesome. and far from cheap (I paid about $80 or $90 as I recall)*. They weigh about 20 pounds, really solid.
Semolina is available in the bulk section at many places and failing that, you can find it in the Bob’s Red Mill rack. I highly recommend semolina over regular flour.
Toss a couple cups semolina in the bowl. Add some eggs, salt, olive oyl, water. Mix for 30 seconds with the paddle, speed 2. Mix two minutes with the dough hook, speed 2. I knead it by hand for another minute but I can’t say it’s absolutely required. Cut off a chunk a little bigger than a golf ball. Turn the knob to get the largest gap. Flatten the dough some with your hands and run it through the rollers on speed 2. It might not come out in one piece but no worry, just press it together and run it through again. When it makes a pass in one piece then fold it in thirds and run it through again, folded edge first. I mean, turn it around, know what I mean? Do that three or five more times. You are now ready to go progressively thinner. I always end up cutting the sheet in half after the second or third pass because it’s easier to handle – they get quite long. As they come off the machine toss in a large bowl with some flour (or in a pile on wax paper if you have the counter space).
I make a batch using four cups of semolina. That’s sufficient to make a large lasagna and at least two more dinners for two. Wrap the unused portion in cling wrap and toss it in the fridge. It keeps … Well I don’t know how long, I can say that I’ve used two week old pasta out of the fridge and it was fine. You *could* get a drying rack and go that route but for me it’s easier to just set up the machine and roll some out from premixed dough in the fridge. There’s not even any real cleanup required, just wipe off the rollers and toss ’em back in the box.
*I see they have several pasta roller attachments now – I have the 3-piece kit with roller, fettucine and spaghetti cutters. Raviloli iIform by hand using two large sheets even though i have a ravioli press around here somewhere but its pretty easy to just mound the filling, brush some water on and lay aother sheet on top. Pappardelle of course also come from the same large sheets. I like to make the lasagna sheets thinner and do many layers. I don’t actually use the spaghetti cutters much, now thati think about it.
pupienus: what is your position on whole wheat pasta? I try to have whole grains as much as possible, but ww pasta just doesn’t taste too good to me.
Excuse me, what the fuck?
With all due respect and deference, of course.
And I DID say SINCE Bill Clinton. That was my lesson learned.
Also, Huey Long was the exception to the rule. Also, it’s not like I did much better with Obama, but at least he doesn’t sound like a fucking dumbass hillbilly….Also….
Like I said–I have yet to be wrong.
rodertrudis – if you’re in PDX and can bring wine you’ll be welcome. I might even make something special.
Re: Edwards.
You know, I’ve heard so much of this “character” crap from right-wingers that I reject it in toto in choosing which candidate to support. I no longer care if they’re assholes; I no longer care if they’re crooks. All I care about is whether I agree with their positions or not.
Lyndon Johnson was an asshole; Lyndon Johnson was a crook. He gave us the Great Society. The weevils who destroyed it apparently had “character”. Fuck “character” and the horse it rode in on.
sheesh, and I’m proud of myself when I make my son applesauce or pureed carrots. what a piker I am
Yeah, I go for whole grains as much as possible but I just can’t stand the pasta it makes. The fans say “you’ll get used to it” but THEY LIE! I will continue to make and enjoy pasta made with semolina. And rye bread using unbleached white flour. And pancakes/waffles using same. And I’ll be goddamned if a whole wheat pie crust ever appears. Also pizza – I just can’t get into ww pizza dough.
No, I really do get whole grains in our diet! Ww bread, oatmeal, barley, bulgur and other stuff is frequently on the menu.
You should be frying it up in hogfat and serving it up as fritters with syrup and butter.
In re “character”: Americans are more likely to vote for a gay man than for Newt. Ouch. Shall I dig up a link?
sheesh, and I’m proud of myself when I make my son applesauce or pureed carrots. what a piker I am
You should be making him Paula Deen cougar-burgers.
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You should be frying it up in hogfat and serving it up as fritters with syrup and butter.
Now we’re in my wheelhouse.
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But Poopy, gay men are in the clutches of Satan, and Newt is an exemplar of Family Values™! How can that be?
Yeah, I go for whole grains as much as possible but I just can’t stand the pasta it makes. The fans say “you’ll get used to it” but THEY LIE! I will continue to make and enjoy pasta made with semolina. And rye bread using unbleached white flour. And pancakes/waffles using same. And I’ll be goddamned if a whole wheat pie crust ever appears. Also pizza – I just can’t get into ww pizza dough.
same here, another big lie is that rice pasta tastes as good as wheat pasta. no, no it doesn’t. I DO like ww pancakes, esp. mixed with some blue cornmeal or other grains.
mmmm, hogfat…
You should be frying it up in hogfat and serving it up as fritters with syrup and butter
Thats how I started out but then he had to go on Lipitor. This 1 yr old is on more meds than ur average hoverround pilot.
The really fun part of a Ryan-style Medicare “premium support” (voucher) program is about a year or two, maybe three into it.
Suddenly those $X,000 your adjusted income was supposed to get your senior self to buy some insurance which some company would be kind enough to sell you in your old high-risk state…
…will vanish, and you’ll get zero, zilch, nada, and so forth.
Your voucher will consist of “Fuck you, parasite!”
And the excuse will be that we had another budget ‘crisis’, or whatever, and also, ‘fuck you, parasites,’ ‘ant & grasshopper’ and ‘if you’re so damn smart why ain’t you rich?’.
…will vanish, and you’ll get zero, zilch, nada, and so forth.
Your voucher will consist of “Fuck you, parasite!”
butbutbut… SCARE tactics!!!
(and entirely plausible)
Thanks! I’d seen the kits you describe, but as you mentioned, they’re spendy. I didn’t want to buy one until I knew it worked and was worth it — sounds like I need to pick one up.
Right after I eat this delicious donut-bacon-cheeseburger.
Lyndon Johnson was an asshole; Lyndon Johnson was a crook. He gave us the Great Society. The weevils who destroyed it apparently had “character”. Fuck “character” and the horse it rode in on.
We also got a major escalation in Vietnam, and a president who openly proclaimed he wouldn’t be the first American president to lose a war.
However, I don’t think Johnson would have stolen campaign funds to give to his mistress. Back then, mistresses knew their place, right?
I don’t give a fuck about character either, I just want somebody to care about someone besides big business. That could have been Edwards, but I just couldn’t fucking trust him.
sheesh, and I’m proud of myself when I make my son applesauce
Now THAT is a neat culinary trick.
Re’ Assholes
You have to be a king shit asshole to want the fucking job in the first place. Believe that.
murdering the next person who gets underfoot
Just what is it with the foot freaks?
Crush pr0n.
Re: pasta and the Kitchen Aid, I concur with Pupienus. It really makes it that much easier. You can make any kind of pasta your imagination can conjure, which might be dangerous. I’ve made saffron pasta, pink peppercorn pasta, porcini pasta (from dried ground shrooms), and I’m sure I’ll experiment more. You can even make a vegan pasta if you’re into that sort of thing (I have some friends that are), and the rolling tool is much, much nicer than doing it by hand on a table. They seel the rolling tool and two cutters as a package deal, too, and they’re worth it.
I do remember the add-on attachments for the meat grinder, and they were, indeed, a waste of money. Run the other way away from them.
I also have the ravioli maker tool, which is hand cranked, rather than the other attachments. I have had . . . abject failure with it to date, but I think it’s me and my pastamancy. When I’m feeling optimistic, I’ll try again.
P.S. Vaccuumslayer, stock is basically saving all of your veggie cuttings for a few days in the fridge, and then boiling them with a little salt, onion, carrot and celery. For instance, I like fresh herbs, but everyone knows they don’t last. HOWEVER, the stock doesn’t care if they’re dried sticks. Peapods, onion ends, fennel scraps, carrot shavings, celery trimmings — stock is what you make when you don’t have a pig, and it is so much better than store bought. Like you, I was dubious, but it’s easy, and now I make it all the time. The only real “effort” involved is straining out the solids from the stock and transferring and storing the liquid in your ‘fridge.
You know, I’ve heard so much of this “character” crap from right-wingers that I reject it in toto in choosing which candidate to support. I no longer care if they’re assholes; I no longer care if they’re crooks. All I care about is whether I agree with their positions or not.
Hear hear.
But if I wanted someone with character, I’d vote for Jimmy Carter. He comes closer to having it than any other President I can think of… but then, FDR passed the New Deal and won World War Two, and LBJ passed the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act, Medicare and Medicaid. Yeah, I think I’ll stick with them.
+1 on the stock. Great to have some veggie stock on hand. I see it as a way to gather together what otherwise would be cast-off veggie goodness over the space of a couple weeks. Fabulous for making a quick soup on a weeknight when you wouldn’t normally think of making soup. Also makes for fab risottos, mashed and pureed various things, und so weiter.
But I must protest one thing: stock should only be salted just before use. For one thing You might want to reduce it for something and even if not, it’s best to season it for the particular use at hand.
But if I wanted someone with character, I’d vote for Jimmy Carter. He comes closer to having it than any other President I can think of… but then, FDR passed the New Deal and won World War Two, and LBJ passed the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act, Medicare and Medicaid. Yeah, I think I’ll stick with them.
Notice the New Yorker passed the New Deal and won WWII.
It’s not about character. It’s about being a traitor to the middle and lower classes. Civil rights and voting rights–nice. Vietnam–not so nice. Who made up the 58,000 dead people from that war? I don’t want someone who has “moral fiber”, I want somebody who is willing to play as dirty as necessary to get the people what they need.
On to food. I went to a local burrito shop today and had a thai chicken burrito–peanut sauce, sour cream, beans, rice all in cilantro-basil tortilla. It was FANTASTIC.
Also, this place always plays music loud enough for people to hear. Standing in line Billy Jean was playing. Everyone in place, including me, was just on the verge of breaking out into a dance. Even if MJ was a weirdo, he was a musical genius.
putting our sandwiches together
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You can even make a vegan pasta if you’re into that sort of thing (I have some friends that are), and the rolling tool is much, much nicer than doing it by hand on a table.
Hmmm, vegan pasta… Rolling tool… Cannabis pasta?!!!
Can I still have the bownies for desert?
putting our sandwiches together
omg! out of all the euphemisms, this is the one that sounds most naughty!
Every time John Edwards is mentioned anywhere these days, I just thank Cthulhu we dodged that bullet. Jesus, what a smarmy embarrassment.
Ok, so what is the secret to making stock? I simmer my chicken bones and random vegetables for hours and end up with vaguely flavored water until I give up and throw bouilon cubes in…
I could send you the jar of chicken grease I have in the fridge from the oven-baked chicken thighs…
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It’s the southern accent. I’m telling you.
Mmmm, what bones, exactly, are you using? For the stock.
Mmmm, what bones, exactly, are you using? For the stock.
MUST. RESIST. MAKING. STUPID. JOKE……………………………………..
Thanks to so many of you for stopping by my humble abode. As a reward, I humbly submit:
PENIS.
I’ve made a middle of the year resolution to try to be fairer to people and ideas I disagree with, so I actually went over to Gay Patriots and followed as many links as I could stand.
The extensive, unavoidable web of lies Democrats have been telling about Ryan’s plan, according to those links:
A) One (1) congresswoman falsely said that Ryan’s plan would allow insurers to reject people for preexisting conditions, when it in fact prohibits them from doing this.
B) Democrats have referred to the coupons the Ryan plan will give seniors to help them pay for medicare as “vouchers” when in fact the coupons are “premium support thingies”. The difference between a voucher and a premium support thingy is so glaringly obvious that it doesn’t have to be explained.
C) There is no C). A) and B) are the whole list.
This is the Republican line, that the Ryan plan is fair and brilliant, but the Dems are spreading filthy lies about it. Luckily, the Republicans are so good at explaining things that the people will finally understand how great his plan is.
You know, I get cheap insurance through my college, and if I understand Obama-care correctly, any future plans I get won’t be able to drop me for pre-existing conditions. So… aren’t I basically already on Ryan-care, right this second? And if being on Medicare is the same as not being on Medicare, hasn’t Medicare been effectively destroyed?
And if the Republicans are so good at explaining things, why haven’t any of them answered this question?
It’s the southern accent. I’m telling you.
We could use Eliot Spitzer these days, but…
I probably would have voted for Edwards, but he was old news by the time Ohio’s primary rolled around. I’m so down on Obama now I can’t join in on the Edwards h8.
Edwards should have approved a mass kidnapping and torture program, lied us into a war, and turned the entire executive branch into a weapon for the Republican political party.
Then Bush’s 3rd term D.O.J. wouldn’t have bothered with him.
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I think Spitzer could come out of that. I like his record of going after crooks–without the support of ANYONE else. Sort of a modern day Elliot Ness. I don’t know.
Once again–New Yorker. No southern accent. Not a filthy rich private fucking attorney.
Yeah, I go for whole grains as much as possible but I just can’t stand the pasta it makes. The fans say “you’ll get used to it” but THEY LIE! I will continue to make and enjoy pasta made with semolina. And rye bread using unbleached white flour. And pancakes/waffles using same. And I’ll be goddamned if a whole wheat pie crust ever appears. Also pizza – I just can’t get into ww pizza dough.
A fucking MEN.
Bread too, also. I’m a white bread supremacist.
Hey, not all Southern accents are terrible.
Also, if you want to hate on Bill because he was too corporatist or centrist or whatever, I’m totally with you there. But the man is brilliant. I could listen to him talk forever and ever. Because smart and interesting is fun.
And I voted for John Edwards because I really thought he was going to be a champion of the poor and middle class. Plus, I was still kind of shell-shocked from the 2004 election. I was all smug that everyone had SEEN THE LIGHT. And then Chimpy was reelected. It was punch in the gut. And if it took a prototypical white guy from the South to keep the Repukes out of office, I was SO willing to go there.
Anyone else wanna see tsam dance with a flash mob? No? Just me?
Foodie stuff at my place
Also, it’s RMF!
Where did everybody go? It’s my breff, isn’t it? Hey, I haven’t even brushed my teef today. Babbies are HARD!
Babbies are HARD!
Hee hee…
OH–nevermind.
Romney making more friends amond dumbass right wingers.
And Fox News still hires the functionally illiterate and criminally stupid.
In case you were wondering.
Every time I see that man’s photo, six more brain cells leap out of my head and run about screaming.
[citation needed]
I know I’m late to the thread and all, but I just have to say:
They really hate the Truth don’t they?
I mean, I don’t just mean, they hate it like liars hate being revealed for who they are, but they have grown to hate it like the Truth was somehow a living organism trying to rip out their jugular.
They are at war with the idea of Truth, of having to touch it or encounter it in any form.
I think they would be happier if the Democrats had just attacked them on some ancillary garbage instead of plainly summarizing without buzzwords or marketing. It’s like they can’t handle a world where their words have meaning and their actions have consequences.
I would pity them, if they weren’t so damn destructive.
I cite that one girl I had a lot of sexy sexy sex with.
Did somebody say food pron? Tasty tasty CAKE.
BTW, if any of you Oregon Sadlies are going to the Antiques Roadshow filming tomorrow in Eugen, or Eugene or whatever the fuck it’s called, be sure to say hello to The Ho. Make him give you a t-shirt or something.
I suppose there is no need to point out that the hoveround was paid for by, gasp, TEH GUBBLEMINT USING OUR TAX DOLLARS. No, didn’t think so.
The KRUG-man speaks-
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/06/03/yes-medicare-is-sustainable-in-its-current-form/?smid=tw-NytimesKrugman&seid
Oh yeah and take this all you con bitches!
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/06/03/ryancare-versus-obamacare/?smid=tw-NytimesKrugman&seid=auto
And no one heard, not even the chair.
I am fed up to fucking here with seeing the signs “this is a non-smoking building.”. Really? I CAN FUCKING SEE THAT and if it WAS a smoking building wouldn’t youfucking DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT?
I am amused however by signs that proclaim “Designated smoking area.” Makes me want to put up a companion placard: “This is a sign.”
and what’s with all the “automatic caution door”s? How the fuck does that work exactly?
There are a lot of road signs telling my motorcycle to use extreme caution. WTF is extreme caution? And why are you telling my motorcycle – it CANT FUCKING READ.
hello? Is this thing on?
Tasty tasty CAKE.
I wish that cake were a lie!
Substance McG:
From your post in the last thread I contracted the poetic equivalent of Ohrwurm. The following doggerel has been dogging me for 2 days:
Al Qaeda has evil, fanatical guys,
They’ll icepick your nutsack and burn out your eyes,
and scoop out your brains to make halal purées,
but they’re innocent babies compared to the gays.
Al Qaeda is plotting to blow up our trains,
to feed their own children with human remains
Then bathe in our blood while they sing, laugh and pray–
that’s okay. We can take it. At least they’re not gay.
Even if MJ was a weirdo, he was a musical genius.
Nope. Quincy Jones is the genius. Or the Motown producers. (Nagunna look it up; may not be a completely factual statement.)
Also, difference between weirdo & perverted child molester.
Plus which, went shopping, forgot onions & white gooey French-style bread. Did not need you bastards to remind me!
And how’s that E. coli working out for you vegetable eaters?
Also, eating people, here is someone who doesn’t like pie.
Pie
It’s gloppy, it’s soggy, it’s un-American.
Discuss.
“It’s gloppy, it’s soggy, it’s un-American.”
And this is a bad thing?
Notice the New Yorker passed the New Deal and won WWII.
And fucked up big-time at Yalta. Biggest foriegn policy catastrophe in American history.
And fucked up big-time at Yalta. second Biggest foriegn policy catastrophe in American history.
fekst 4 troot. Care to make a stab at guessing the biggest?
Here’s a hint: it was MUCH more recent.
“It’s gloppy, it’s soggy, it’s un-American.”
He seems like a pie n00b… everyone knows that the best pies are filled with delcious offal!
Pie
It’s gloppy, it’s soggy, it’s un-American.
Everything better be a gloppy, soggy mess by the time it hits your stomach or you’ll get a tummy ache.
Four and twenty blackbirds baked in a pie. I’ve never eaten blackbirds. Grouse, pheasant, dove, woodcock (heh), squab, others, yes. Never blackbirds.
La cena:
Frijoles y arroz frito con cebolla y picante lizano (gallopinto); aguacate con cuajada; tortillas con crema natural; fresco de maracuya.
Gracias, Iris.
No hay de que, mi amorcito.
Buen provecho.
Speaking of offal, I have a hankering for head cheese. Souse, they call it in PA Dutch country, though Sulze usually means the pickled version. Mebbee I make scrapple (cityfied, grommet scrapple but still) this weekend.
I don’t want someone who has “moral fiber”, I want somebody who is willing to play as dirty as necessary to get the people what they need.
So you prefer ‘the politics of ultimate ends’ to the ‘politics of responsibility’? (See Max Weber’s Politics as a Vocation)
I’m extra cranky today. I’m about THIS CLOSE to actually engaging in conversation about politics in the United States…most particularly about the Democrats. (You know, the discussion about Plague and Leprosy?)
I should leave those pronouncements and attacks to Guerrilla Voters Cadre 18. Expect numerous communiques in 2012, full of scorn, contempt, and derision.
*slips back into the hills with the other insurgents*
Care to make a stab at guessing the biggest?
Name a bigger one.
What, we should have kept going to Moscow, as “Napoleon” Patton wanted?
Couldn’t-a been the one where we played right into our opponent’s hands by voluntarily bleeding ourselves white over a handful of scruffy insurgents plus a certain administration’s Neocon wet dreams, right?
Yeah, didn’t think so.
What, we should have kept going to Moscow, as “Napoleon” Patton wanted?
Of course not.
We should not, however, have recklessly and cavalierly abandoned Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Bulgaria, East Germany, and Romania to the Soviet Union.
It’s official: wingnuts are now obsolete!
AEI has already promised to fund mass-production – but only if the research team can get the memory of the new WINGNUT 2.0™ OS down to under seven seconds.
Because the Soviets had nothing to do with winning the war, and therefore deserved nothing.
I don’t think what happened was optimal, but I fail to see any simple way we could have said, “Hey, Joe! Howzabout you just fuck off back to Moscow now, eh?”
I’m extra cranky today. I’m about THIS CLOSE to actually engaging in conversation about politics in the United States…most particularly about the Democrats. (You know, the discussion about Plague and Leprosy?)
Have you started posting? Like I said, old chum, you’ve got a spot on my bogroll as soon as I see a post. I’m doing a 16-hour overnight, so I’ve got plenty of time to comment at your place.
WC: Oh I see. That’s what Pup was driving at.
You think Bush’s huge blunder in the Iraq Invasion was Teh Worstest Evah Catastophe of all time. It happened during your lifetime, so it must be true. (Also bad form to slander domestic miracle-worker FDR because he didn’t have a fucking clue about Josef Stalin.)
Yes, the Iraq Invasion was huge and costly blunder, cost hundreds of thousands of lives, displaced millions of people, cost trillions, and undermined US credibility thoughout the world, and destroyed it altogether in the Islamic world.
Bad shit, to be sure; I’m not minimizing it.
But to contend that the Iraq Invasion had more catastropic consequences than FDR’s surrender of Eastern Europe, shows a shallow grasp of history, IMO.
Hiistory has a longer depth-of-field than an individual’s lifetime.
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I’m going back to shadows now. I’m getting my fighting blood up and that’s not good for anyone. Sadlies who have seen a Fenwick explosion know what I’m talking about. So I need to back out of this thread right now, for everyone’s sake. I’ll probably check back with the Night Hawks.
Have you started posting? Like I said, old chum, you’ve got a spot on my bogroll as soon as I see a post. I’m doing a 16-hour overnight,
Will definately be back! I’ve missed the Night Hawk conversations, B^4! I also want to talk with you about the Duchy. I’m starting to doubt the wisdom of doing it. I’ll check in again about 1-1:30 Eastern. (God alone knows what Sadly time is…)
happened during your lifetime, so it must be true.
Friend, I’m not quite as old as you but I can remember Kennedy’s funeral so I’m not exactly a pup. And while Yalta was suboptimal, especially for the Eastern Europeans, it did not leave the US broke and hated by a good chunk of the world’s population, quite the opposite in fact.
And really, fuck you for implying you’re the only guy who reads history. I think the denizens of this place have amply demonstrated their collective depth a d understanding.
I also want to talk with you about the Duchy. I’m starting to doubt the wisdom of doing it
Make it happen, you are a natural writer, you have had a long, eventful life, and you have an insider’s view of military affairs and a great grasp on history and current events. I don’t want to sound like I’m browbeating you, but I whined until N__B started posting on a regular basis, and his blog has been a resounding success.
(Also bad form to slander domestic miracle-worker FDR because he didn’t have a fucking clue about Josef Stalin.)
At least the man had enough of a fucking clue to know Josef Stalin wasn’t the guy who attacked us at Pearl Harbor. If Bush had been in charge, we’d have been at war with Russia by 1943, and irreparably ruined as a nation by the end of the decade while the Axis went on to rule the world.
And based on the rest of the text, looks like that’s more or less exactly what this genius would’ve wanted! Here, what’s this?
But to contend that the Iraq Invasion had more catastropic consequences than FDR’s surrender of Eastern Europe, shows a shallow grasp of history, IMO.
Almost as shallow as thinking you can “surrender” something you don’t own or control. Unless this yahoo wanted the U.S. to parachute a Chinese-sized army between Nazi and Soviet forces and hold the line directly against both of them simultaneously for the rest of time, which was, by the way, impossible, Eastern Europe was gone.
Ah, “students of history.” Another one of my favorite sub-species of wingnuts.
Never mind.
Read the last few posts only instead of the whole conversation and thought Fenwick was quoting somebody else. Apology offered with no defense other than tiredness and my own idiocy.
I maintain, though, that there was no “surrender” of Eastern Europe – little to nothing could’ve been done.
little to nothing could’ve been done
Sad but true.
Um, yup. FDR didn’t so much abandon eastern Europe, more of a case of whatnthe fuck can we do? W, on the other hand, deliberately and stoopidly fucked everything up big fucking time. Just whatnthe fuck, exactly, was FDR to do? As Chris points out, there were no realistic options.
I too remember getting sent home from school September whatever it was. If you want to make a sweeping assertion, supply some sweeping facts and argument to back it up. Otherwise you’re just blowing smoke up everyone’s ass. Not that that’s necessarily a bad thing but I, for one, just ain’t into it.
W, on the other hand, deliberately and stoopidly fucked everything up big fucking time.
Remember when pundits were seriously talking about the “Unipolar Moment”, when the U.S. was the world’s only “hyperpower”? Gee, thanks Dubya!
I totes retreat in face of the Mighty Wurlitzer here.
My major was European History (in my first incarnation as a college student), so that probably biases my assessment to some degree.
Sorry for blowing smoke up everyone’s asses and wasting everybody’s time. The thread can now safely resume discussion of pasta makers.
B^4: I’ll check in much later in the Night Hawk hours, compadre.
Fenwick, How was FDR supposed to save Eastern Europe?
Nukes?
Hey Battleaxe,
Elsewhere you said:
…and it blew my mind. Just wanted to make sure you got some kudos.
Lately, I’ve been thinking the greatest foreign policy blunder ever by the United States was buying Alaska.
Thanks, Sheesh. I’m sure there are more than a few of us Pharyguloids here! (I’m just a pert-timer myself.)
*pert-timer* Snerk!
Oh well, it is always the way that you buy something and next week it is on special.
“little to nothing could’ve been done”
“Sad but true”
“Just whatnthe fuck, exactly, was FDR to do? As Chris points out, there were no realistic options.”
Well, he could of at least asked for something, instead of giving* it away. Yeah, at the minimum, he coulda that.
*–FDR’s verb.
done.
Both a typo correction … and a statement of where I am on this topic.
Catch you later, B^.
Pert-timer is a veiled booby reference.
Well, I’m all about the boobies!
I’m just here to leave a timestamp, in order to orient myself within the ongoing temporal tantrum. No tutus.
Um, yup. FDR didn’t so much abandon eastern Europe, more of a case of whatnthe fuck can we do? W, on the other hand, deliberately and stoopidly fucked everything up big fucking time. Just whatnthe fuck, exactly, was FDR to do? As Chris points out, there were no realistic options.
Yes, in an ideal world it probably wasn’t the best thing to do, but at that time, there was no other damn option, it was realpolitik, and like it or hate it, a lot of the time it is the best option, out of a lot of bad ones.
My major was European History (in my first incarnation as a college student), so that probably biases my assessment to some degree.
As I have done with this argument (and a few others), run the counter factual. What if we had decided to run into Moscow (or Latvia or Warsaw) after defeating hitler in WWII. Yes, it might have turned out fine, but its a big might. Russia could (would) have outgunned and outmanned us, and we (the allies) did not have solid support in Europe, particularly with a large communist/socialist minorities in most of the western liberated countries, which would have been an easy 5th column for the Russians to take advantage off. The US wasn’t really in the mood for protracted war, and would have probably fucked off after a year or so, thus allowing the Russians to walk into the rest of Europe. I’m no historian, but IMHO, Yalta, while morally wrong, was about the only option left at that stage.
Realpolitik, its a bitch, but as Iraq proved, it usually the best move, no matter how sick it makes you feel…..
El Manquécito, that little concoction sounds absolutely delightful, as well as sounding great (Calabazas horneadas, wish I had a Spanish accent, it would sond so much better)….
sound, sound…… and thats me not drinking…..
Okay Fenwick how about at source for that quote?
FDR didn’t say that to Churchill.
In 1943, U.S. Ambassador to the Soviet Union
William Christian Bullitt, Jr.’s thesis prophesied the “flow of the Red amoeba into Europe”.
Roosevelt responded to Bullitt, Jr. with a statement summarizing his rationale for war time
relations with Stalin:
“ I just have a hunch that Stalin is not that kind of a man. . . . I think that if I give
him everything I possibly can and ask for nothing from him in return, noblesse oblige, he won’t
try to annex anything and will work with me for a world of democracy and peace. ”
—Franklin D. Roosevelt, 1943
What FDR accomplished was to make Stalin the liar and thief.
In other news, speaking of liars and thieves…
So. WI cops and firemen who supported Walker’s union busting because they said they’d buy you in: How’s that working out for you?
Simply amazing.
Come on Fenwick, show this uneducated injun how superior you are.
It’s 4:17. I’m typing one-handed. And for an even better reason than porn!
Hey, I haven’t even brushed my teef today. Babbies are HARD!
The first two weeks were all run together like one long day. Weeks three to six have had some actual sleep. I don’t see how anyone can take care of a newborn alone.
My son has eyebrows now.
How does it feel to be the sole(sorta) source of sustenance for another human being?
I mean that would scare the hell out of me.
My wife wasn’t producing enough milk in the first week which lead to a bit of jaundice and a night under UV lights. Not making enough milk has driven her to tears a number of times. So, I was formula feeding every other feeding.
It’s pretty overwhelming.
(He lost a lot of weight in the first week, and it was making him miserable and very mad all the time. He’s OK and eats like a champ now.)
Lately, I’ve been thinking the greatest foreign policy blunder ever by the United States was buying Alaska.
I dunno, not putting the boot on the CSA after unconditional surrender was pretty boneheaded. Shit, we’re still fighting a cold war with the Confederacy.
It’s 4:17. I’m typing one-handed. And for an even better reason than porn!
You’re stir-frying something?
Not making enough milk has driven her to tears a number of times.
That’s a shame, there’s nothing she could have done, and formula is plentiful. Good to know things have improved.
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Shit, we’re still fighting a cold war with the Confederacy.
Or at least the idea that is just fine and dandy to think of some people as little more than property.
That’s a shame, there’s nothing she could have done, and formula is plentiful. Good to know things have improved.
Thanks!
I blame the motherhood programming in our modern media. You know: that you’re supposed to be some insular super-mom? Anyhow, it takes a village in this sense too. It’s not a failure to need help!
I blame the motherhood programming in our modern media. You know: that you’re supposed to be some insular super-mom?
No mom is an island?
B^4: yes,that’s perfect 😉
Shorter entire Republican party:
It’s only ending Medicare if we change the name but we aren’t changing the name, we’re only killing it off
Not making enough milk has driven her to tears a number of times.
Maybe you should sotp hogging it, and let the baby have some
KIDDING!
Newborns are scary things.
No mom is an island?
DK-W’s mom is, but she has a bridge, a tunnel, an airport, a busy dock and a causeway.
Pup’s advice is always good on food. The only thing I would add is that ravioli trays (stamped metal forms that you put the bottom layer in, fill in the indentations, cover with top layer and roll with your rolling pin) are great and cheap. Always make ravioli pasta a little thinner than regular because it will be doubled on the seams.
Lobbey: I don’t have a spanish accent I have a Mexican (Oaxaqueño) accent that makes real Spaniards laugh. I’m OK with that.
rodertrudis: provecho!
Fenwick, How was FDR supposed to save Eastern Europe?
Nukes?
You know I didn’t even think of that?
I take it back. Maybe it would’ve worked if after Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Truman had simply threatened the Sovs with nuclear destruction unless they pulled out of Eastern Europe.
But maybe not. For one thing, having just suffered the trauma of a German invasion, I wouldn’t put it past the Russians to say “fuck it, maybe we will lose a few cities, but we’ll either tough it out or go down fighting” rather than let a foreign power dictate terms or end up on their doorstep (remember, Eastern Europe was meant as a buffer zone to prevent another invasion from the west). For another, I’m not convinced the American people would’ve been okay with us claiming that kind of mandate, or risking open war with the Soviets, especially right at the end of World War Two. For a third, Soviet intelligence was world-class: they’d have known how limited our nuke supply was and might’ve called it a bluff. Etc, etc, etc.
And I can’t say I blame Washington for not wanting to risk war with the Soviets immediately after WW2.
In other news, speaking of liars and thieves…
So. WI cops and firemen who supported Walker’s union busting because they said they’d buy you in: How’s that working out for you?
Simply amazing.
I’m not sure why, but this just hits me harder than the ongoing ugliness all around us. When do people (especially relatively conservative middle class types like cops) understand that conservatives hate them as well?
/Captain Obvious in a really bad mood
I think that causeway is a strap-on.
I’m not sure why, but this just hits me harder than the ongoing ugliness all around us. When do people (especially relatively conservative middle class types like cops) understand that conservatives hate them as well?
I know I’m a dick for feeling this way, but I have sooooo little sympathy for people who vote conservative and then get screwed by their policies. Especially since they’re so often doing it in order to screw somebody else (union “thugs,” uppitty minorities, lazy poor people, faggots, Mohammedans, liberal nerds in college, etc), after being reassured that they themselves wouldn’t share in the others’ fate.
Thirty years after Reagan, what the fuck do they expect anymore? They’re that guy in every movie who agrees to double-cross his friends for the villains, and dies with that look of shock on his face because no one could have predicted that the villains would double-cross him too.
Well, if we’re talking Yalta, it was five months before the first test, so a nuke threat wasn’t part of the portfolio. I don’t think Russian intel was that good.
The other thing to keep in mind is that one of FDRs major goals there was to get the Russians to come in against the Japanese once Germany was wrapped up, which he accomplished. This was arguably as important as nuking two cities in Japan’s decision to surrender.
None of which makes Roosevelt any less wrong about Stalin, but it does further illustrate the whole “politics of the possible” thing. I remain curious as to what realistic other outcome anyone thinks might have been forthcoming. Stalin wasn’t going to just trot back home after losing ten to fifteen percent of his population without something to tuck under the fridge magnets. As far as he was concerned, “To the victors” and such as. I can’t imagine he would have been easily swayed from expansion. Perhaps a few more concessions could have been gained, but they wouldn’t have meant much. Stalin did what he damned well pleased with Poland regardless of his promises.
What’s sad to me is that they can’t fucking see it coming. At the risk of Godwinning, I’ll ask, “Has nobody fucking read that bit by Pastor Niemöller?”
I think if the DFHs told them that it would be bad if they stuck their dicks in the coffee grinder, they’d do it just because.
We live in a nation of three-year-olds.
I have sooooo little sympathy for people who vote conservative and then get screwed by their policies
Screw the pooch, raise the litter – no exceptions.
Myopia as a lifestyle choice is sort of perversely cute – when the person doing it is 16.
But at 36? 46? 56? 66?
The Mulligan Bag is long empty.
That’s not “individualism” any more – it’s latent masochism.
At bare minimum, these gobshites are needlessly depriving good honest dominatrixes of a paying gig. SHAME!
Maybe the worst foreign policy mistake was the Revolution, which started around 1775. True, America wasn’t yet a country with a proper constitution or central government, but the folks who revolted against the Crown had certainly begun to think of themselves as a separate nation.
I saw a book a while back that raised the questions of what the U.S. would look like today had the Civil War not happened, or had been won by the South, or had been fought to a draw. I have never seen a title speculating about the what-ifs had the Royalists (Tories, King’s Men) been successful at stopping the revolt.
That I haven’t seen such a book doesn’t mean that there isn’t one of course. Surely some academic has taken the time to write about this.
What’s sad to me is that they can’t fucking see it coming. At the risk of Godwinning, I’ll ask, “Has nobody fucking read that bit by Pastor Niemöller?”
Sure they have. “First, they came for one percent of the hedge-fund managers’ profits, and I did not speak, because I was not a hedge-fund manager. Then, they established communism, because without hedge-fund managers being as wealthy as humanly possible, there’s nothing to stop communism.”
Myopia as a lifestyle choice is sort of perversely cute – when the person doing it is 16.
But at 36? 46? 56? 66?
The Mulligan Bag is long empty.
That’s not “individualism” any more – it’s latent masochism.
This. Honest mistakes and learning curves are one thing. But if you’re still a conservative by the time you’re thirty, you’ve got no brains.
Hogeye Grex said,
June 4, 2011 at 17:50
Well, “victor = spoils” was part of it, but part of it was also creating a buffer zone between Russia and any major power to its west, and so preventing a repeat of 1941. Terrible for Eastern Europe, but logical from a Russian perspective.
Chris:
Yeah—we reserve the right to pretty much fuck up the world to prevent a repeat of an event that killed 3,000 Americans, but creating a buffer zone to prevent a repeat of an event that killed 20,000,000 Soviet citizens is incomprehensible.
I take the “buffer zone” argument with a grain of salt. For one, the zone would be there, and be plenty of warning of a mobile army, regardless of its status as a Soviet satellite. If anything, they just moved the line where they could yell “You’re invading us!” into Europe. It’s not as though Russia had no idea Germany was in Poland and the Balkans before Barbarossa. They knew damned well it was coming, or should have, that Stalin underestimated what a prick Hitler was, and got surprised on the timing notwithstanding. Not to mention, wtf is a buffer zone anyway? Somewhere for other people to die?
The other problem I have with the concept is that Russia and the Allies were supposedly, well, allies at the time. You need a buffer zone between you and your friends?
Stalin wanted to expand, plain and simple. He had already been divvying up Eastern Europe with the Germans via Molotov-Ribbentrop. The Baltic States had been occupied from the beginning of the war. Anybody thinking they were going back is being silly. That Stalin could scoop up the rest of Eastern Europe was a bonus.
You know who else used to Godwin his ideological opponents? Hitler.
And what’s the deal with all these observational comedians?*
(* Works best if said in a Paul Reiser voice.)
I take the “buffer zone” argument with a grain of salt.
I concur. You need to wax, then buff.