Precognitive Dissonance

Shorter Donald Douglas, American Power
New Left Media: ‘Workers Defend Their Rights’

  • Wisconsin protesters are lying about a Republican agenda to aggressively attack union power. In a completely separate sentence that immediately follows that one, it’s true that Republicans are aggressively attacking union power, as well they should!

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Comments: 476

 
 
 

First. I win all the points!

 
 

I haven’t left the boat in five weeks. Not about to begin now. Have at it you intrepid and adventurous souls!

 
 

Do you know what would be really funny? If Donald Douglas was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer.

Too soon?

 
 

You know, I can’t help but notice that this post too, would be greatly improved with the liberal addition of hookers and blow.

 
 

Ugh. Every time I post a link, a new thread materializes.

Horrifying

 
 

This is a new thread.

 
 

I can’t help but notice that this post too, would be greatly improved with the liberal addition of hookers and blow.

Jesus. Your invitation to the baby shower is in the mail. Calm down.

 
 

So apparently the answer to “When did you stop beating your wife?” is “If I did, the bitch deserved it!”

 
 

One guy saw the Wisconsin protesters drinking cup after steaming-hot cup of dope-infused Nescafe.

 
 

“I can’t help but notice that this post too, would be greatly improved with the liberal addition of hookers and blow.”

Everything seems better with hookers and blow.

 
Jay "Ron Howard" Nerdlinger
 

Wonkette usually gives me the reliable chuckles but today I haves a sad.

 
Marion in Savannah
 

“If I did, the bitch deserved it!”

The beating or the stopping? I haz a confooze…

 
 

Everything seems better with hookers and blow.

You’re running for president, aren’t you?

“gocart for President: Hookers and Blow in Every Home!”

 
 

Lookee, a mango:
Big Labor’s corrupt thugs are bankrupting the states and raping the democratic process.

With projection like that he could show movies on the moon.

 
 

raping the democratic process

The democratic process wasn’t wearing any clothes.

 
 

So Unions are bad? Have I missed something in the news?

 
 

Remember! “Going Galt” requires being rich first, so neener!

 
 

Hookers and blow IS REAL

 
 

vacuumslayer said,

March 3, 2011 at 21:33

Ugh. Every time I post a link, a new thread materializes.

Horrifying

Yep. I was just glomming that video onto the bottom of my Ohio-tard post, so I could get all the USA! USA! USA! out of the system. Tomorrow is going to be a birdie day.
~

 
Wyatt Watts III
 

and raping the democratic process

But if the democratic process gets pregnant, no abortion for her!

 
Jay "Ron Howard" Nerdlinger
 

Which is why we have to put a burka on the Statute of Liberty, to protect her from rapists. As it is, the dirty slut is practically asking for it.

 
Wyatt Watts III
 

Re: Union Thug Macrophiliac‘s link:

Nose fetishism – Being pressed against a giant person’s nose

I did not know that.

 
Marion in Savannah
 

I did not know that.

Neither did I. And now neither one of us can ever un-know it…

 
 

Nose fetishism – Being pressed against a giant person’s nose

That’ll teach me to skim my own links. I did NOT know about that nose one.

 
Big Bad Bald Bastard
 

We think Lady Liberty is seriously hot.

You’re not the only one.

 
Fifty Foot Tall Chunky Reese
 

Hey you kids! Stop looking up my skirt!!!

 
 

Holy dogshit! Have y’all seen this lone mango in the comments section?

The premise of such civil rights is Government entitlement. This is the spirit (and letter) of the act of 1964.

Yay unracist teabaggerism!

 
Average White Bland
 

The premise of such civil rights is Government entitlement. This is the spirit (and letter) of the act of 1964.

It really pisses me off when the Government entitles undeserving people with the rights that God gave the white males!

 
 

Good news on the WI front – even Rasmussen has Walker losing this thing.

Yay! Awesome.

 
 

I think I saw a post somewhere quoting some wingnut, “Michele Bachmann is the thinking person’s Sarah Palin”.

I laughed and laughed.
~

 
Marion in Savannah
 

ITTDGY, you’ve made my day! I’d love to find the linky for that…

 
 

Hookers and Blow

Far more satisfying plot than Tango and Cash.

 
 

“Michele Bachmann is the thinking person’s Sarah Palin”.

This reminds me of arguments about which was the smartest Spice Girl.

 
Big Bad Bald Bastard
 

Stop lightbulb fascism NOW!

I get a kick out of the opposition to “cap and trade”- uh, people, it’s a market based solution which rewards efficiency and conservation. This is why rightards have to mendaciously refer to it as “cap and tax”.

 
 

This reminds me of arguments about which was the smartest Spice Girl.

The Morton Salt Girl.

 
 

This reminds me of arguments about which was the smartest Spice Girl.

The smartest one was Mensa Spice. Duh.

 
 

“The government has no business telling an individual what kind of light bulb to buy,” said Bachmann in a Wednesday press release.

I want to light my home with burning Christians, but what are sold as Roman Candles on the internazz are ALL WRONG.

 
 

Is this a new thread?

 
 

“The government has no business telling an individual what kind of light bulb to buy,” said Bachmann in a Wednesday press release.

“But it does have business telling people who they may fuck, love, and marry,” she continued.

 
 

That hurts my head. Wow, RepubNews propaganda truly doesn’t know how to deal with tis.

 
 

“An adult in the governor’s mansion — what a novel concept.” I feel good for voting for the guy.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/03/03/950035/-Democratic-governor-in-CT-leads-on-responsible-budget-fixes

 
 

Is this a new thread?

Have you ever seen Groundhog Day?

 
 

I want to light my home with burning Christians

Joan d’Arc Brand

 
 

“Is this a new thread?”

Meet the new thread, same as the old thread.

 
 

Bryan Fischer is the thinking person’s Don Jim Bob Surber

 
 

I get a kick out of the opposition to “cap and trade”- uh, people, it’s a market based solution which rewards efficiency and conservation.

Also a Republican idea.

 
Big Bad Bald Bastard
 

Joan d’Arc Brand

Gives a new meaning to “arc lamp”.

Also a Republican idea.

Just like Romney/Obama care.

 
 

re: lightbulbs – moar complicated than you might think.
WARNING: Humourless environmental engineering nerderies follow.

Compact fluorescent bulbs actually do contain a small amount of mercury. Although, the reduced energy usage means that if there is almost any coal fired generation component to your local elctricity generation then incandescents lead to higher mercury emissions. Minnesota is 60% coal fired so CF’s are almost definitely reducing mercury into the environment – even if none of them are safely recycled.

In Ontario, where we have nucular base load (and electric light tends to be used off-peak) – incandescents probably lead to (on average) lower mercury emissions. Additionally, the wasted extra energy used by incandescents goes as heat, which we need eight or nine months a year anyways*. As a result CF bulbs don’t make a huge amount of sense here**. Minnesota probably could use the extra heating too.

* Studies have shown that les Quebecueses would actually increase their carbon footprint with CF bulbs as a result of increased natural gas heating. I don’t think they accounted for the fact that most light bulbs are mounted too high for all of the heat to be useful. Still, complex issue is what I’m saying.

** Unless you go full life cycle analysis and factor in that CF bulbs last an order of magnitude longer. That probably makes a difference – especially if you include transportation costs.

 
 

Substance, animated gif just won a prize. Collect at front desk.

 
 

D-KW – The problem with your analysis* is that it’s logic. The people on the other side have taken the position that it doesn’t matter which bulbs are less environmentally damaging because they want to use what they want to use and nobody can tell them nyah nyah nyah nyah neener.

*Heh. Analysis.

 
 

Many are shopping for someone else. They’re looking at Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., for example, and seeing what they call a smarter, more experienced candidate who’s equally as conservative.

“Sarah Palin with a brain,” said Gail Moore, a Republican from Columbia.
~

 
Big Bad Bald Bastard
 

In keeping with the lightbulb dumbassery- fuckin’ Republicans

 
 

There is no copyright under Islam, all material may be used freely without any consent to Shariah4America.com

Compare & contrast the site designs:

http://www.patriotfreedom.org/battlefield.php

& the site that proves THEY want to destroy the Statute of Liberty:

http://shariah4america.com/NewYork/The-Islamic-Demolition-of-the-Statue-of-Liberty

 
Big Bad Bald Bastard
 

That “shariah4america” site has to be a spoof.

 
 

That “shariah4america” site has to be a spoof.

I am not a fan of Ms. Twain’s oeuvre, but I hold no animus toward her.

 
 

“Happy hunting grounds. Almost impossible to satirize.”

True. Satire needs to have some grounding in reality for it to work.

 
 

I noticed that too M. Bouffant. The douchebag is not even a very bullshit artist.

 
 

Horrifying

Oh, Jesus Christ. I’m not ashamed to say that made me cry.

What the fuck are we going to do about these people?

 
 

What the fuck are we going to do about these people?

“Exterminate the brutes” is off the table, right?

 
 

Indeed, that’s not your animus you’re holding.

 
 

“very good bullshit artist” I should say although he is very bullshit also.

 
 

I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.
~

 
 

I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.

We can leave Newt behind, right?

 
 

He turned me into a Newt and suddenly I had a urge to serve divorce papers on a cancer stricken woman, then I got better.

 
 

“Exterminate the brutes” is off the table, right?

Unfortunately, yes, although I can’t say that I didn’t have a few violent fantasies while watching that video.

Imagine being a kid and being subjected to that. These people are out of fucking control.

 
 

“Hookers and Blow”

Far more satisfying plot than Tango and Cash.

Disagree. Tango is the sexiest dance evah. Cash buys whatever you want.

 
 

Gingrich Compares Ground Zero Mosque To ‘Nazi Sign Next To Holocaust Museum’

Sadly, No! It would be more like putting a German-American Club a couple blocks away from the Holocaust Museum. But somehow i don’t think that would make national news.

 
 

VS: I liked Bananas. I’m a fool for steel drums.

 
 

Test. FYWP.

 
 

heard someone once say that the definition of “sacred” is “something you cannot laugh at”. I have given that a lot of thought, trying to decide if there is something out there that I can’t find humor in, or if it is true that, for an atheist like myself, nothing is truly sacred. Granted, jokes about someone dying of a horrible disease may be tasteless, but I refuse to consider Steve Jobs sacred.

They say you can’t be too rich or too thin. Steve Jobs is going to prove them wrong.

Laugh? I thought I’d pee my pants

 
 

VS: Liked Bananas. Love steel drums.

 
 

That “shariah4america” site has to be a spoof.

It appears to be but I’m not so sure, Christians do not hold a monopoly on loony. Under the “contact us” tab, they want to know if you or your group would be interested in supporting some kind of march or protest in Washington. Not sure what the deal is as I didn’t see anything about it anywhere else on the site. I was thinking it would be fun to respond and make them think there millions of Sharia supporters ready to converge on Washington. Of course, if the website is real then we’d all end up on a watch list and would never be able to fly anywhere again and if the website’s fake then we’d probably just drive another wingnut over the edge and there would be another mass shooting somewhere.

 
 

Steerpike! Where have you been? What’s been going on in your world?

 
Big Bad Bald Bastard
 

It appears to be but I’m not so sure, Christians do not hold a monopoly on loony

Obviously, but this gives me pause:

Of course, if the website is real then we’d all end up on a watch list and would never be able to fly anywhere again and if the website’s fake then we’d probably just drive another wingnut over the edge and there would be another mass shooting somewhere.

The “over the top” nature of the site makes me think it’s another “Christwire”.

I think it’s an Ibn Poe.

 
 

lol I have to tell you Sadly, No! commentors that you all make me laugh.

 
 

They say you can’t be too rich or too thin. Steve Jobs is going to prove them wrong.

Okay, that’s pretty fucking funny. And, because I am a sick bastard, it lifted my spirits after seeing that appalling video.

Also, I wonder if Donalde belongs to any faculty unions, or if he benefits from terms negotiated by faculty unions. I don’t know what it’s like out in California, but the community college where my mom worked had a strong faculty union that negotiated some very nice terms for the instructors.

 
 

Hey IceFenVarWhoeverYouAreThisWeek. Oh, I’m usually around, lurking. I always keep the latest S,N! thread open for a momentary brain-break here at work, but I’m usually too busy to follow every thread or chime in very ofter, Don’t you people have jobs? families? lives?

 
 

Don’t you people have jobs? families? lives?

Yes, but I’m a public employee. No. And lolNO.

Also, I’m home sick today. BTW, I can’t believe you fuckers got 56 comments in during the hour I was on a conference call.

 
 

The “over the top” nature of the site makes me think it’s another “Christwire”.

My first thought was that it was probably put together by the Patriotfreedom guys so they’d have something to scare their readers with. The fact that the Sharia site is pretty clean and precise though leads me to lean with the Christwire theory. It would be a lot more garish if it were done by actual loonies.

 
 

“, Don’t you people have jobs? families? lives?”

Hanging out at S,N isn’t having a life? Uh oh.

 
 

Horrifying is right, VS. I’m ashamed to share a planet with those assholes.

“and they’ll know we are Christians by our love…” Yeah, right.

 
 

It made me cringe. And it makes me wonder what will happen if we continue to make a certain segment of our population feel unwelcome in their own country.

 
 

heard someone once say that the definition of “sacred” is “something you cannot laugh at”. I have given that a lot of thought, trying to decide if there is something out there that I can’t find humor in, or if it is true that, for an atheist like myself, nothing is truly sacred. Granted, jokes about someone dying of a horrible disease may be tasteless, but I refuse to consider Steve Jobs sacred.

Illicit conversion!

 
 

Horrifying is right, VS. I’m ashamed to share a planet with those assholes.

As soon as I saw that Pammy Geller was in attendance, I had a feeling the protesters were going to be classy insane.

 
 

It made me cringe. And it makes me wonder what will happen if we continue to make a certain segment of our population feel unwelcome in their own country.

Well, you know, it’s a brilliant fucking idea to make a lot of kids feel frightened and out-of-place so that they have to seek havens (say, on the internet) where they feel welcome and can vent their frustrations about feeling so alienated to perfectly nice people who would love to radicalize them if they could…

But, you know, that’s a phenomenon that’s only specific to Muslims, not neo-Nazis or anybody like that, of course.

 
 

IceFenVarWhoeverYouAreThisWeek.

I have been awful, haven’t I? I plead n00bness and throw myself on the mercy of the Sadly court.

 
 

Hey, you linked to my blog. That’s all I care about.

 
 

Don’t you people have jobs? families? lives?

No.
~

 
 

“But, you know, that’s a phenomenon that’s only specific to Muslims, not neo-Nazis or anybody like that, of course.”

Of course.

 
 

so when does Dougie come by to start tossing around incoherent threats and insults?

 
 

it’s a brilliant fucking idea to make a lot of kids feel frightened

Welcome to the Land of the Free Not to Think and the Home of the Brave People Who Scream at Kids. You know, Real Americans.

 
TruculentandUnreliable
 

so when does Dougie come by to start tossing around incoherent threats and insults?

Any time. I could facilitate the process by telling him about this thread on Twitter, if you’d like.

 
 

How come when I start posting the threads have been dying.

I’m going back to lurking. Later!

 
 

WordPus is full-blown Sucketude Mode on my machine today. I’m more-or-less forced into lurkerhood today.

So FYWP, you worthless sack of shit. Fuck you with a corroded monkey wrench.

 
Pupienus Maximus
 

Want to buy a duck?

 
Pupienus Maximus
 

duck duck duck duck GOOSE!

 
 

So long as it ain’t Mallard Fillmore.

re: WordPress

I h8 WP as much as anyone, but I gotta give them massive props today. They just weathered the buggest DDoS attack EVAR with 100.0% uptime. That’s a non-trivial amount of hardcore badassery.

But Preview is still a lying bitch and can DIAF.

 
 

Also re: DDoS – official word is that it may have been “politically motivated against one of our non-English blogs” but the truth of the matter is that it was Apple fanbois. Steve Jobs unleashed his hordes of ultra-chic urbanite tech-hipsters to shutdown all the grumbling about the lack of wireless syncing in iPad2.

WIRELESS SYNC APPLE – IT’S NOT ROCKET SCIENCE!

 
 

AND A USB PORT FOR FUCK’S SAKE. WHAT HAPPENED TO DESIGN?!?!

 
 

SD CARD WOULD ALSO BE NICE.

 
 

CAPS LOCK APPLE BITCHING OVER – YOU CAN RETURN TO YOUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED SNARK.

 
 

There’s an iPad 2? Already? Without wireless synching?

Jesus, they’re not even trying anymore.

 
 

DKW, the comment thread Atrios uses (echo/js-kit) was spitting up hairballs today.

And Wonkette’s (Intense Debate) also had a few hiccups. All related?
~

 
 

Could be. I don’t know how far Steve Jobs’ network of hacker-cultists extends. Wait. Actually I do know – it’s whatever the wireless range of your local Starbucks is.

 
Pupienus Maximus
 

What was that Dragon-King Dickcheese? I couldn’t hear you.

You want the ippadeetoo to have a host USB port? What for?

 
Pupienus Maximus
 

Excuse me. Let me rephrase that: whatever the fuck for?

 
No-Visible-Means
 

That “shariah4america” site has to be a spoof.

I’m convinced it is. I did a “whois” lookup and the contact name is “Abdullah c/o Dynadot Privacy”.
patriotfreedom.org fell for it!! Heh.

 
 

Why a duck?
~

Cuz tomorrow is Duck You Friday.

But as the resident avian enthusiast, you’re gonna have to handle that one.

 
 

AND A USB PORT FOR FUCK’S SAKE. WHAT HAPPENED TO DESIGN?!?!

There are scads of crappy Windows Mobile pads, dude.

You probably also miss the days of 3.5″ floppies.

 
 

Excuse me. Let me rephrase that: whatever the fuck for?

So you can hook up, for example, your digital camera without having to buy a $30 proprietary adapter?

 
 

There’s an iPad 2? Already? Without wireless synching?

Please note that none of the other portable Apple devices have wireless syncing yet.

I suspect it’s because they can’t manage it with greater than Microsoft levels of reliability and consistency yet. Remember the Newton? They learned the lesson of releasing Not Ready For Real World technologies.

 
 

Could be. I don’t know how far Steve Jobs’ network of hacker-cultists extends.

Have you checked your closet?

 
 

USB – I’d like to be able to play with my Shuffle playlists through the iPad – but barring that, there’s all sorts of doohickeys I gots like a keyboard vacuum and a fibre optic light. Also, a camera and a phone.

re: my closet. Why, what have you heard?

 
 

Please note that none of the other portable Apple devices have wireless syncing yet.

Good point.

However, based on my (admittedly limited) experience, the iPhone’s wired syncing (why do I always want to spell that with an “h”) isn’t all that reliable.

 
 

It’s okay, DKW, I collect Apple fanbois, too. They’re so cute!

 
 

there’s all sorts of doohickeys I gots like a keyboard vacuum and a fibre optic light. Also, a camera and a phone.

With a touchscreen, why would you need a keyboard vacuum?

And also, why a fibre optic light on it? Internal illumination.

You probably also want to use the USB Darth Vader.

 
Pupienus Maximus
 

“So you can hook up, for example, your digital camera without having to buy a $30 proprietary adapter?”

What for? Sure, you could e-mail them -if you’re in a hurry and at a hotspot or have 3G – but what else? you don’t want to try editing pics on an ippadee, do you?

 
 

I guess I just don’t *get* the iPad. I do want one of these, though.

 
 

However, based on my (admittedly limited) experience, the iPhone’s wired syncing (why do I always want to spell that with an “h”) isn’t all that reliable.

I haven’t experienced any issues. Maybe it’s because the other end of the syncing doesn’t rely on Windows.

 
 

What for? Sure, you could e-mail them -if you’re in a hurry and at a hotspot or have 3G – but what else? you don’t want to try editing pics on an ippadee, do you?

When the “What do you want to do with this device?” question comes up the answer I think of is never ever “Less than I can do with this cheapo laptop.” And I’m a collectible Apple fanboi!

 
Pupienus Maximus
 

Does the keyboard vacuum work well on the iPad keyboard? I usually just blow on it then wipe with a soft cloth.*

*yes yes whatever

 
 

I guess I just don’t *get* the iPad. I do want one of these, though.

Autodesk (and I despise most of their products) has a version of Sketchbook for the iPad that is kind of awesome.

Granted, if you just want to do digital sketching, it’s probably overkill.

 
 

never ever “Less than I can do with this cheapo laptop.”

Of course, the recurring excitement of BSOD is something I would not discount.

 
 

When the “What do you want to do with this device?” question comes up the answer I think of is never ever “Less than I can do with this cheapo laptop.”

DING DING DING DING.

I don’t get it. What does it do that a netbook doesn’t?

 
 

the definition of “sacred” is “something you cannot laugh at”.

I do not find green putty particularly funny but this DOES NOT MEAN THAT I WORSHIP IT.

Blue putty is the anointed grouting compound of God, and you green puttyists are all going to hell.

 
 

Of course, the recurring excitement of BSOD is something I would not discount.

I have an Apple laptop. It was free! Kernel panic after I did Firewire target mode though.

 
 

I don’t get it. What does it do that a netbook doesn’t?

Doesn’t get viruses.

But hey, nobody needs to buy one. Get what works for you. For all the “Apple fanboi Hipster Arrogance” bandied about, Mac users just like what they like.

FWIW, I don’t get Windows, either. I installed Windows 7, and I will admit it is almost usable as an OS. Just unpleasant.

 
 

it makes me wonder what will happen if we continue to make a certain segment of our population feel unwelcome in their own country.

You mean Puerto Ricans? Workers? Women?

 
 

I have an Apple laptop. It was free!

Worth every penny you paid for it, I guess.

 
 

Autodesk (and I despise most of their products) has a version of Sketchbook for the iPad that is kind of awesome.

Yes, but an iPad isn’t $100.

I just want something for note-taking/writing that’s more durable than paper but is easier to use than whipping out my netbook or taking fooooooooorrrrrrrrrever to type something on my Android. And would fit in my purse.

 
 

Excellent. Re-igniting Mac vs. PC wars – priceless.

 
 

Doesn’t get viruses.

Yeah, that’s why you run Linux.

 
 

Green putty fifth columnists. Those bastards

 
Pupienus Maximus
 

I’ll be the first to admit the iPad is more toy than anything else. Very expensive toy at that. I would not have one were it not for Santa Ho.

 
 

FWIW, I don’t get Windows, either. I installed Windows 7, and I will admit it is almost usable as an OS. Just unpleasant.

Windows is awful. I am not a huge computer geek, but the only reason why I haven’t installed Linux on my netbook yet is because I tether my phone to it. There’s an app that allows me to do so really easily with Windows. But you have to root your phone and do some other shit with Linux that I’m not smart/brave enough to do.

 
 

Yes, but an iPad isn’t $100.

I just want something for note-taking/writing that’s more durable than paper but is easier to use than whipping out my netbook or taking fooooooooorrrrrrrrrever to type something on my Android. And would fit in my purse.

Well, that’s what I said.

Having had an iPhone since version 1, what does strike me, however, is how many different ways I use it on a daily basis. And it increases every day, when I find new apps.

I am still not completely sold on iPad myself, am still working on how it should integrate with what I do. But for the most common computer tasks – internet, email, photos – it is simpler and easier to use. And a nice big screen for zombie oculars; and Angry Birds looks even more awesome in HD.

The only reason I don’t use it as my primary music device is that I INSIST on being able to carry at least 30,000 tracks at all times.

 
 

Yeah, that’s why you run Linux.

Pfft. I have Ubuntu on my Macbook too. If I want to get fancy, I can run Windows, OS X, and Ubuntu simultaneously.

Incidentally, OS X is unix based.

 
Pupienus Maximus
 

As far as OS wars, VM/CMS (XA, of course) r00lz. Running Aix as a guest OS under VM was some of the most fun I’ve ever had.

 
 

Well, that’s what I said.

So you did. Lo siento.

 
 

I would not have one were it not for Santa Ho.

Would he like to adopt a low-maintenance zombie?

 
 

As far as OS wars, VM/CMS (XA, of course) r00lz. Running Aix as a guest OS under VM was some of the most fun I’ve ever had.

Bite me. You’re not hardcore until you run FORTRAN.

You have potential if you ever had to debug SCSI chains.

 
Pupienus Maximus
 

Running VM as a guest under VM under VM … was also a hoot. AIR we had 60-some levels running. Every instruction needed 60-some page table lookups. Took all weekend to boot the 3090. Good times man, good times.

 
 

I’ll be the first to admit the iPad is more toy than anything else. Very expensive toy at that. I would not have one were it not for Santa Ho.

I agree that there is some need for developers to step up with productivity apps. But I use Pages, Numbers, and Filemaker, which have nice iPad versions, and like the Autodesk Sketchbook, I think there should be some good things coming.

I would kill several Wisconsin Republicans for Google to port Sketchup to the iPad.

It strikes me as similar to when the iPhone was introduced. At first, the app culture was kind of anemic, but as people started to roll out developed apps, it became pretty damn rich.

 
 

Pfft. I have Ubuntu on my Macbook too. If I want to get fancy, I can run Windows, OS X, and Ubuntu simultaneously.

And it costs twice as much as my laptop and three times as much as my Macbook.

Look, I’m just saying that I don’t understand the utility of the iPad or why Mac products are so much more expensive than other products…it doesn’t seem in proportion to what you get. And the proprietary bullshit pisses me off.

 
 

So you did. Lo siento.

Good. I am glad I don’t have to reserve a FYF spot for you.

 
 

They just weathered the buggest DDoS attack EVAR with 100.0% uptime.

Uh, no. My site was down (with a “back real soon” notice) for about twenty minutes. I’m not complaining: that’s not bad for the vicitim of a DDoS.

iPad: I can take drawings on site (as PDFs), draw on them, and then store the mark-ups on our server. I’ve been wanting to have office-wide access to field notes for TWENTY YEARS. Will someone else’s tablet allow me to do that someday? Sure. Apple got there first and in a couple of weeks I’m equipping the whole office.

 
Pupienus Maximus
 

“Bite me. You’re not hardcore until you run FORTRAN.”

I used to write a lot of FORTRAN. Finite difference models for groundwater. The 3090 I was using at the time had the vector facility (though the compiler was lame – I wrote the vectorized code in assembly) and was considered a supercomputer.

I say you’re not hardcore until you’ve toggled in the OS from the front panel. Patching an OS on the fly – as in while its running – also qualifies.

“You have potential if you ever had to debug SCSI chains.”

Child’s play m’boy, mere child’s play.

 
 

why Mac products are so much more expensive than other products

Having used several Mac clones and a couple of PCs, I will say they are engineered much more robustly. Much.

Also, as a design professional, PCs look like shit.

 
 

Good. I am glad I don’t have to reserve a FYF spot for you.

That would be terrible.

I’m willing to admit when I’m wrong. It’s just rare. 😉

 
 

I used to write a lot of FORTRAN. Finite difference models for groundwater. The 3090 I was using at the time had the vector facility (though the compiler was lame – I wrote the vectorized code in assembly) and was considered a supercomputer.

I say you’re not hardcore until you’ve toggled in the OS from the front panel. Patching an OS on the fly – as in while its running – also qualifies.

Props.

 
 

I say you’re not hardcore until you’ve toggled in the OS from the front panel.

Well, I’ve never claimed to be hardcore. Mostly self-taught for the most part. But some track record with some codework.

 
 

toggled in the OS from the front

Missionary position.

 
Pupienus Maximus
 

“Would he like to adopt a low-maintenance zombie?”

Probably but to get the iPad you’d have to do some … maintenance yourself. I suspect.

 
 

Le Donalde is displaying that razor sharp intellect for which he is so well known. Either that or he just had a wet fart.

 
 

And it costs twice as much as my laptop and three times as much as my Macbook.

Que?

You got a Macbook for $300? Nicely done.

And you got a Macbook for 50% less than a PC laptop? Also sweet.

 
 

Having used several Mac clones and a couple of PCs, I will say they are engineered much more robustly. Much.

Two to three times as much? Especially for something you’re just going to have a few years?

Also, as a design professional, PCs look like shit.

I will not disagree with you on that one, at all.

 
Pupienus Maximus
 

Likely not missionary position either but you prolly knew that already.

 
 

Que?

Leave me alone. I am sick and a little drunk.

Also, leave it to DKW to drop a shitbomb in here and walk off.

 
 

. Apple got there first and in a couple of weeks I’m equipping the whole office.

Would YOU like to adopt a low maintenance zombie?

 
 

Two to three times as much? Especially for something you’re just going to have a few years?

Macs experience a useful lifespan two to three times as long as PCs.

 
 

Would YOU like to adopt a low maintenance zombie?

I was thinking about getting an office cat. How are you at chasing vermin and nuzzling shins?

 
 

Leave me alone. I am sick and a little drunk.

Me too!

 
 

How are you at chasing vermin and nuzzling shins?

Pretty good, but I tend to chomp.

 
 

You probably also miss the days of 3.5? floppies.

Oh we wished we had 3.5″ ‘floppies’! Those were veritable hard drives compared to the 5 1/4″ floppies.
~

 
Pupienus Maximus
 

Would YOU like to adopt a low maintenance zombie?”

What use could an engineer possibly have for an architect?

Sorry, there are some cheap shots that can not be resisted.

 
 

I was thinking about getting an office cat. How are you at chasing vermin and nuzzling shins?

Also, fuck you. You don’t deserve me.

Although you can probably afford me. Will work for iPad and rum.

 
 

When I was a messenger for a law firm (AKA when I was in high school) I was surrounded by people using IBM word processors with 8″ floppies. Now THEY were floppy.

 
 

Pupie: Think “footrest.”

 
 

What use could an engineer possibly have for an architect?

Signing off on the pay request.

I should really make them suck up more for that.

 
 

You know, all of you deserve the crappy houses, condos, and apartments you live in.

 
 

Those were veritable hard drives compared to the 5 1/4? floppies.

Please note: never available on the Mac.

Also, heralded as one of the reasons Macs would never catch on.

Hah! Hah!

 
 

Pupie: Think “footrest.”

You really need to work with better architects. It’s funny, because I would have thought there would be one or two in New York.

 
 

KILLIN THREAD DEAD DEAD DEAD.

 
 

I was thinking about getting an office cat. How are you at chasing vermin and nuzzling shins?

OMG pick me pick me pick me! Wait, can I hunt the vermin with a .22? I’d strap it to my back, biathlon stylee…

 
Pupienus Maximus
 

“Oh we wished we had 3.5? ‘floppies’! Those were veritable hard drives compared to the 5 1/4? floppies.”

Just recently, as part of our most recent lifestyle simplification and downsizing I was clearing out a bunch shit including a number of old books. As I was tossing one it flipped open and out flew a couple fucking punch cards. I was amused and horrified to find that I can still read them.

Speaking of changing the topic, can’t we get some MOAR PENIS in here please?

 
 

Wait, can I hunt the vermin with a .22?

Sure. I was thinking of a grenade launcher, but I’m flexible.

 
 

Pupienus Maximus said,

March 4, 2011 at 2:17

I am just going to mock your tag fail on that comment.

Abase yourself and send me your iPad.

 
 

As I was tossing one it flipped open and out flew a couple fucking punch cards.

Put two round holes with a three-hole punch and they make perfect loose-leaf dividers.

 
 

Sure. I was thinking of a grenade launcher, but I’m flexible.

OOO, that would be a horrible temptation with so many engineers around.

 
 

Look, you fucking started it.

 
 

Speaking of changing the topic, can’t we get some MOAR PENIS in here please?

No.
SASQ.

 
 

When I was a messenger for a law firm

No wonder you are so bitter.

 
 

zombie rotten mcdonald said,

March 4, 2011 at 2:21

Those were veritable hard drives compared to the 5 1/4? floppies.

Please note: never available on the Mac.
============================

It was the Apple II+ and Apple IIe.

And yes, we had all kinds of word processors around with the 8″ jobs.
~

 
 

Yes, thundra, I said never available on the Mac.

But I believe you are agreeing with me?

Also, sentenced to death by the iMac, just like the iPad has signaled a death knell for that horrible Flash.

EVERYBODY DIE.

 
Pupienus Maximus
 

zombie rotten mcdonald said,
March 4, 2011 at 2:24

Pupienus Maximus said,

March 4, 2011 at 2:17

I am just going to mock your tag fail on that comment.

Abase yourself and send me your iPad.

I blame it on the iPad. I’m more than happy to abuse myself but (something about cold dead hands goes here).

 
 

Macs experience a useful lifespan two to three times as long as PCs.

Yeah, I don’t think this is the case so much anymore, and besides, PCs vary a great deal. And they’re cheaper/easier to fix and upgrade.

I’ll stop being so truculent (as I supposedly am) and just say that Macs don’t make sense to me. If you’re willing to shell out the extra money, that’s awesome. I’m also not all that stoked about the information culture that the proliferation of various iProducts is creating, but somebody else would probably be doing it if they weren’t.

And the utilitarian in me rebels against the iPad, but if people can find use for it that they wouldn’t have with something else, that’s cool, too. I just get annoyed with the wankery over the brand, especially from people who as technologically literate as DKW’s mom is chaste.

 
Pupienus Maximus
 

You had floppies!?!? Luxury! In my day we carried our stacks of Hollerith cards in shoeboxes!

 
 

nd they’re cheaper/easier to fix and upgrade.

Only if you value your own time at zero. As an independent consultant (admittedly, without much work) I bill my time mostly from 75 -200 bucks an hour and if I am screwing around with my computers, that is time I can’t spend billing clients.

N__B is a zombie-hating, anti-architect jerkwad, but I think he might back me up on this.

I just get annoyed with the wankery over the brand

Yeah, I do too. It was cooler when everybody kept telling me Apple was dying, and just to conform, before it was too late.

 
 

You know, all of you deserve the crappy houses, condos, and apartments you live in.

Noooooo! I love architects!

Can you explain to me why my kitchen drawers are plastic? Have I ever mentioned that I hate living here?

 
 

Only if you value your own time at zero. As an independent consultant (admittedly, without much work) I bill my time mostly from 75 -200 bucks an hour and if I am screwing around with my computers, that is time I can’t spend billing clients.

That’s cool. I make $1

 
 

FYWP.

I was just going to reveal my paltry (but somewhat large compared to my cohorts) salary and say that, again, that’s cool, because that’s what works for you.

And I may change my mind someday soon now that I don’t have live-in tech support.

 
 

But I believe you are agreeing with me?
============================

But you’re not sure, are you?
~

 
 

Yeah, I don’t think this is the case so much anymore,

Not to beat a dead engineer, but Wife Sublime works for a Big Corp (and THANK FUCKING GAWD for that) and gets some Dell standard issue every couple of years. as anecdata, I replace my Macbooks roughly 1.5 to 2.5 years as often, and experience less aggravation at the end of those cycles. I would replace it more often, cuz I like the kewl new shit, but apparently nobody is ever going to build anything ever again in this country.

Most commonly heard comment in the zombie household, when Missus is looking at the Macbook “that’s a really nice screen”

Yes, I recognize that you can buy higher quality PCs than Dells, but then you start paying pretty much the same price as the Mac.

But you know, I don’t really care what kind of computer other people use. And if I wasn’t telling you, how would you know what kind of computer I use? In fact, I would kind of like most of my competitors to use PCs.

will go away now.

 
 

Oh! Also! My boss is still hanging on to her 5 1/4 floppies. I hate to tell her that the crap on those disks is probably so badly degraded that it can’t be retrieved. Not that she’s needed it for, like, 20 years.

 
 

That’s cool. I make $1

Actually, when it’s averaged out over the bad, horrible, no good years I’ve had recently, that’s about what I make too. So I shouldn’t be snarky.

 
 

Oh! Also! My boss is still hanging on to her 5 1/4 floppies.

That’s a horrible thing to say about her breasts.

But I recently just tossed a bunch of Zip disks. Whooo! remember when 100 MB seemed like an awesome portable format?

I guess I am an old guy. Going away now…..

 
 

No wonder you are so bitter.

Because the eight millionaire partners were paying me $2.10 per hour?

 
 

Also, leave it to DKW to drop a shitbomb in here and walk off.

LOL! I was having dinner. Plus I couldn’t bear the thought of all y’all making fun of my USB keyboard vacuum and what I might be doing with it*.

That said, a 3.5″ floppy drive on the iPad would be sweet.

*No SRSLY, my COCK is HUGE! I don’t know what I would do with a keyboard vacuum.

 
 

I’ll just say that after taxes and insurance and shit, a Macbook represents a little less than 5% of my annual income and I’d rather spend that money on shoes and booze.

 
 

Via Daring Fireball:

Andy Ihnatko:

But you kind of have to hold the iPad 2 to really get the redesign. It’s thinner by a third, plus its edges taper to a thin line of metal. It’s almost inconceivable that this thing you’re holding is a multicore tablet computer. The Xoom tablet is trim, light, and very pretty … but when you place it next to the iPad 2, it looks as though it was designed and built by angry Soviet prison labor instead of by Motorola.

 
 

I’d rather spend that money on shoes and booze.

So drinking champagne from a woman’s shoe didn’t die out with the end of the 30s in Hollywood?

 
 

I’d rather spend that money on shoes and booze.

Smart.

Buy some outlet shoes, and you can afford to buy me a couple of drinks.

 
 

Andy Ihnatko:

Is he thinner?

Seriously, I have good memories of the first couple of iterations of teh CWOB.

 
 

So drinking champagne from a woman’s shoe didn’t die out with the end of the 30s in Hollywood?

Ew. I hope it did. The only time booze and my shoes have ever come into contact was back in the days when I was a wee T&U and couldn’t hold my liquor. Luckily, my shoes weren’t as cute then.

 
 

But you kind of have to hold the iPad 2 to really get the redesign. It’s thinner by a third, plus its edges taper to a thin line of metal. It’s almost inconceivable that this thing you’re holding is a multicore tablet computer. The Xoom tablet is trim, light, and very pretty … but when you place it next to the iPad 2, it looks as though it was designed and built by angry Soviet prison labor instead of by Motorola.

Fuck. Now I want an IPad 2.

Guess I have to take that job eating engineer’s rats.

 
 

Buy some outlet shoes, and you can afford to buy me a couple of drinks.

I was planning on saving that extra money to build the eco-friendly, off-the-grid house of my dreams, but sure!

 
 

Guess I have to take that job eating engineer’s rats.

Who’s the geek now, zombie-boy?

 
 

That said, a 3.5? floppy drive on the iPad would be sweet.

You are holding out for a USB 8-track drive, aren’t you?

 
 

I was planning on saving that extra money to build the eco-friendly, off-the-grid house of my dreams, but sure!

Think passive energy design.

 
 

Fuck. Now I want an IPad 2.

[do NOT go to the Apple store. Do NOT go to the Apple store. do NOT hold an iPad 2.]

 
 

So drinking champagne from a woman’s shoe didn’t die out with the end of the 30s in Hollywood?

The Frau Doktorin’s thigh-length leather boots are water beer-proof.

 
 

thigh-length leather boots

I always pictured boots as extending further south.

 
 

re: iPad

I’ve had one for a couple months now, and I gotta say that what it does, it does well. The interface really is a delight – from the multi-touch to the way the scrolling works. It’s fantastic. If I had a large drawing or map that i wanted to fiddle with, I would want an iPad like interface to navigate it.

But to be honest, I don’t actually do anything with it. The most use it gets is Solomon’s Keep and Mirror’s Edge. The idea of having a portable window to Epicurious that is easily totable into the kitchen and comes pre-loaded with your iTunes library? Awesome. Number of times I’ve actually done it? 1. And I had to wash the screen afterwards.

And maybe this is just me, but the form factor is just off for an e-Reader. It, like Jobs, is too thin. And iPad2 is 33% thinner. It just doesn’t feel book-like enough. I suppose that if you’re more used to magazines or not getting offa mah lawn then this ain’t a problem, but I personally don’t like it.

That said, Mirror’s Edge iPad is pretty sweet.

 
 

You are holding out for a USB 8-track drive, aren’t you?

The audio guys claim there’s no loss of fidelity when they ported everything to CD, but I CAN TELL!

 
 

“*No SRSLY, my COCK is HUGE! I don’t know what I would do with a keyboard vacuum.”

I know what I would do with it.

 
 

And I had to wash the screen afterwards.

Because you were “cooking”? Likely story.

 
 

I’m still holding out for the USB laserdisk player.

 
 

I was planning on saving that extra money to build the eco-friendly, off-the-grid house of my dreams, but sure!

Heh. I kid. If a lousy Macbook is outside of your budget, I won’t even start telling you what this would cost, let alone architect costs, especially if you hired a non-zombie.

But realistically? Your carbon footprint is much better served if you buy an old house and make improvements, lack of energy efficiency notwithstanding. The difference in energy costs is more than made up for by:

1. Less destruction of greenfield
1.A. Less sprawl, and subsequently less driving
2. less abandonment of existing materials, and less use of new materials
3. any improvements you make.
4. revitalization of existing neighborhoods, using existing infrastructure.

 
 

I still find typing on the ipad incredibly awkward. I can see why PupMax always goes for the “ugly link.”

 
 

our carbon footprint is much better served if you buy an old house

The industrial process of making cement out of limestone is one of the least green things on the planet. Renovate existing, use wood (farmed) or (believe it or not) steel (more recycled than you’d think) as much as possible.

 
 

But NOW, I have to go in the other room, to the light table, and watch Firefly on my iPad while drawing a house addition for a rich guy in a rich suburb because HE”S PAYING ME AND YOU’RE NOT.

I will, however, blame the resulting Prismacolor marks on my fingers on vacuumslayer, because I am “prissy”

 
 

I still find typing on the ipad incredibly awkward. I can see why PupMax always goes for the “ugly link.”

The Big Belly.

 
 

The industrial process of making cement out of limestone is one of the least green things on the planet. Renovate existing, use wood (farmed) or (believe it or not) steel (more recycled than you’d think) as much as possible.

…wait, did that fucker just agree with me?

 
 

Heh. I kid. If a lousy Macbook is outside of your budget, I won’t even start telling you what this would cost, let alone architect costs, especially if you hired a non-zombie.

Oh, I know.

If I reeeeeeally reeealllyyyy wanted a Macbook, I could probably save up for one, but it would be a bit of time, especially right now, and I got student loans to pay off, son!

But realistically? Your carbon footprint is much better served if you buy an old house and make improvements, lack of energy efficiency notwithstanding. The difference in energy costs is more than made up for by:

Oh, I know. I’m not buying a house any time soon, but if I were, it’d be a a little arts and crafts-era bungalow or a mid-century modern ranch or something equally fixer-upper-y hip.

 
 

Also, if you haven’t noticed, I KNOW!

 
 

I got student loans to pay off

Should have thought of that before you went to that fancy-pants kindergarten.

 
 

steel (more recycled than you’d think) as much as possible.

current rehab of a factory building: I insisted on steel framing, partially because modern framing lumber is so bad, partially for this.

THIS STILL FREAKS ME THE FUCK OUT, THAT I AGREE WITH A POLAR BEAR ON THIS.

 
 

,,,something equally fixer-upper-y hip.

I shoulda remembered the hip part. I’m in a 60’s suburban back-split and the charm of doing my own home renovations did not last very long at all.

 
 

In fact all the home renos has made me also RATE FOR STEEL FRAME BUILDINGS.

 
 

I shoulda remembered the hip part. I’m in a 60?s suburban back-split and the charm of doing my own home renovations did not last very long at all.

This is when you need to have a huge, cantilevered lime green addition built, just to annoy the neighbors.

 
 

Also, if you haven’t noticed, I KNOW!

I know.

 
 

In fact all the home renos has made me also RATE FOR STEEL FRAME BUILDINGS.

Better for when GOD or THOR or SPACE ALIENS decide to make the wind blow and the earth shake, too.

 
 

This is when you need to have a huge, cantilevered lime green addition built, just to annoy the neighbors.

I actually like my neighbours. But if that cantilevered addition can be made in the shape of a giant PENIS, then I’m totally on board, although I have no idea how we’ll get a permit for it.

 
 

I shoulda remembered the hip part. I’m in a 60?s suburban back-split and the charm of doing my own home renovations did not last very long at all.

Yeah, I’m lazy enough as it is. I’m not going to spend time fixing up something that I find to be aesthetically unappealing in the first place.

 
 

“The Big Belly.”

Today while I was taking an aerial pic of my produce my tummy made an impromptu appearance in it. I chuckled.

 
 

If I reeeeeeally reeealllyyyy wanted a Macbook, I could probably save up for one, but it would be a bit of time, especially right now, and I got student loans to pay off, son!

See, here’s the problem.

All my friends and family and relations and acquaintances are riding the same Republican Middle class rollercoaster ride to the bottom, and very few are of the Kock Brothers/Donald Trump level of “blowing rich wads of money just to be cool”.

I once thought that being good at what I did would be enough.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHHHAAAA……..hah. heh. ooog.

Working in a coal mine, going down down….

 
 

“I will, however, blame the resulting Prismacolor marks on my fingers on vacuumslayer, because I am “prissy””

Daaaaaaaang. Can a person not tease a zombie anymore?

 
 

I actually like my neighbours. But if that cantilevered addition can be made in the shape of a giant PENIS, then I’m totally on board, although I have no idea how we’ll get a permit for it.

Actually, that would be my job. You would be surprised at what I have gotten permission for.

I mean professionally, you perv.

 
 

. Can a person not tease a zombie anymore?

Zombies got no sense of humor anymore.

 
 

Would permitting be complicated by the fact that I back onto a park – one where soccer for 5 year-olds takes place all summer long?

 
 

“. Can a person not tease a zombie anymore?

Zombies got no sense of humor anymore.”

So I should cancel my tickets to your show at The Laugh Factory?

 
 

I’m not going to spend time fixing up something that I find to be aesthetically unappealing in the first place.

OK, take my word for this: the more you like what you buy, the harder it is to rip it apart.

But unless it is EXACTLY what you want, you will NEED to rip it apart.

Something that is less than appealing will only make you feel better as you make it look more like your own.

Hey, I once considered painting my house with cow spots. Along with external speakers hooked to motion sensors, making moo noises at the drunk college students walking by.. If I wasn’t married, it might have happened.

 
 

So I should cancel my tickets to your show at The Laugh Factory?

I wouldn’t. I was planning on bringing a wood chipper, and Scott Walker.

Bring a raincoat though.

Happy times, happy times.

 
 

Would permitting be complicated by the fact that I back onto a park – one where soccer for 5 year-olds takes place all summer long?

Depends on the POV we use for the perspectives.

 
 

“I wouldn’t. I was planning on bringing a wood chipper, and Scott Walker.”

I will light my lighter for that show. Let me provide the soundtrack, mmk?

 
 

Would permitting be complicated by the fact that I back onto a park

Also, perv.

 
 

I once thought that being good at what I did would be enough.

That was the good thing about being a teenager throughout the whole “Lazy Gen Xers are going to be the first generation to have a lower standard of living than their parents!” I knew the American Dream was probably off-limits for me pretty early in life unless I wanted to be evil, basically. Or work in health care.

 
 

Also, perv.

Two words. Soccer. Mom.

 
 

I pitched five television pilots today. That makes me EL HOMO HOMBRE SUPREMO #1. Sadly, still an out-of-work pile of shit. BUT WITH PEANUTS.

Hi, do I have to read the thread, or can I just jump in with something probably close enough to the usual topics so’s I can just fake it?

 
 

I will light my lighter for that show. Let me provide the soundtrack, mmk?

it is kind of a Bill Hicks/ Gallagher kind of mashup.

 
 

I once thought that being good at what I did would be enough.

This is why I modeled my persona as a small-business owner after those of Al Swearengen and Stringer Bell.

 
 

Sadly, still an out-of-work pile of shit. BUT WITH PEANUTS.

BROTHER.

Except I don’t have peanuts.

..we’ve been fighting decades old technology battles and demeaning architects here, so you ought be able to fit right in.

 
 

“it is kind of a Bill Hicks/ Gallagher kind of mashup.”

Everybody stand back.

I GOT THIS.

 
 

I didn’t understand a thing about about the detailed and sometimes passionate discussion about computers, applications, software, and electronic devices. So, out of sheer boredom, I decided to count them.

79 so far.

Very impressive for a thread with 244 posts! About 25% of this thread has been in Bulgarian by Bulgarians about Bulgarian things.

Dullest. Thread. Evah.

 
 

This is why I modeled my persona as a small-business owner after those of Al Swearengen and Stringer Bell.

And those stupid bears in those stupid Coca-cola commercials

 
 

I recognize that you can buy higher quality PCs than Dells, but then you start paying pretty much the same price as the Mac.
Prison labor makes Dell products cheaper.

 
 

And those stupid bears in those stupid Coca-cola commercials

That’s my relax-time persona.

 
 

Btw, I’m doing my best IceNine, Variants,Snidely,PirateLurker,Ralph,Fenwickians,Fenwick imitation only with variations on the samename.

 
 

Prison labor makes Dell products cheaper.

Yeah, I’ll admit that Apple crap is made in Singapore and China, so I don’t think there is any moral or economic high ground on either side.

 
 

Btw, I’m doing my best IceNine, Variants,Snidely,PirateLurker,Ralph,Fenwickians,Fenwick imitation only with variations on the samename.

Some of us are too prissy to do that.

 
 

That’s my relax-time persona.

N__B is a furry.

Probably smokes cigars too.

 
 

Dullest. Thread. Evah.

Feel free to change the subject!

 
 

Let me provide the soundtrack, mmk?

Soundtrack is all Scott Walker, the not evil one. A few of the lighter, more happy-go-lucky pieces from his oeuvre, like The Electrician, Clara, Jesse…

 
 

N__B is a furry.

Nope. Coca-cola drinker.

 
 

Nah, electronics in general are a human rights and ecological disaster.

 
 

“That’s my relax-time persona.”

My relax-time persona involves a pipe, a smoking jacket and a couple of silicone-breasted bleached blondes. It’s very difficult to arrange…which is why I dont relax very often.

 
 

Dullest. Thread. Evah.

Sorry.

I was entertained, at least, and really, isn’t that all I have anymore?

But hey, you want entertainment, why shouldn’t I oblige? Go to my site and check out some of the Fuck You Fridays.

Oddly enough, the Empire only comes up 8 or 9 results down when you Goofle Fuck You Friday. why do I bother.

 
 

No one ever discusses their need for silicone-breasted chickens. It’s odd.

 
 

“Some of us are too prissy to do that.”

sensitive zombie is sensitive. But we artist-types often are, huh?

 
 

That’s my relax-time persona.

Present for N_B!

 
 

Nah, electronics in general are a human rights and ecological disaster.

Agreed. Get out of my head.

The only possible justification that could be used is if the ecological impact is offset by improve productivity ORIENTED TOWARD LONG TERM SUSTAINABILITY is taken into account, and who the fuck could figure that out?

At least most of my use of technology has been oriented toward historic preservation, urban infill, and adaptive reuse, and I can sleep at night.

OK, that last was a lie.

 
 

I meant “us”. Dammit.

 
 

N__B is a furry.

Nope. Coca-cola drinker.

what a transparent lie.

 
 

something equally fixer-upper-y hip.

Thread needs more joint-replacement-surgery comments.

 
 

I meant “us”. Dammit.
Grammar kiwis rate for “we”.

 
 

Thread needs more joint-replacement-surgery comments.

Actually, my mother’s having a hip replaced tomorrow. Her third joint to be cyborged since she turned 78.

 
 

what a transparent lie.

You’re thinking of 7-Up.

 
 

No one ever discusses their need for silicone-breasted chickens

Well, saline is the industry standard, really.

 
 

Cheese-filled would make cordon-bluing easier.

 
 

in Bulgarian by Bulgarians about Bulgarian things

I think someone has forgotten what “sleeper agents” means
???? ?? ?? ???????, ?? ?? ?? ?? ?????? ?????

 
 

??????????????????
is an extremely funny quip in bulgarian

 
 

Present for N_B!

At last we see the light.
~

 
 

??????????????????
is an extremely funny quip in bulgarian

I laughed.

 
 

Cheese-filled would make cordon-bluing easier.

I believe they’re working on genetically engineering chickens to do just that.

 
 

I believe they’re working on genetically engineering chickens to do just that.

I meant women. Good day. I said GOOD DAY, sir.

 
 

“March 4, 2011 at 3:59

for N_B”

Not that you need them or anything. I’m sure your moobs are plenty plump and perky as is.

 
 

I meant women. Good day. I said GOOD DAY, sir.

Blue cheese on demand? I’d be down with that.

 
 

ZRM, the situation for architects and design in general is for poo these days. We’re as one on this issue. I do (when actually employed) boatloads of new urban design, masterplanning, etc. and whatnot in addition to theme parks and similar; in general, aesthetics have been SLAIN, slain, I say, by a mixture of weirdly misapplied codes and regulations, conformity of materials, construction shortcuts, and fuckwits with moar money than BRANES.

So I’m all about reuse and restoration. Not what I do, but it’s what I admire. New components to revitalize the old fabric, yes. Modern elements to provide contrast and texture, yes. LEED type environmental standards, yes (although repurposing the old is always better for the planet than anything new). But for fuck’s sake, we’re in an ugly time. All that stuff in India and China that’s been paying my non-zombie related bills is so godawful they’ll have to tear it down in a decade and put up new awful stuff.

But then again, that’s the plan. No building slump, EVAR.

 
 

Sorry, I meant to make a joke about moobs but I was afraid T&U would get offended so I went back to the earlier topic.

 
 

At last we see the light.
Present for ITTDGY™³²®©!

 
 

a joke about moobs

New Gingrich, Mike Huckabee, Chris Christie, and six moobs walk into a bar. But I repeat myself.

 
 

Spengler Dampniche said,

March 4, 2011 at 4:09

I am awaiting the appalling comment.

Also, I need you to write my marketing.

 
 

You need me to reattach your arms, ZMOBIE!!!!

 
 

ZMOBIE!!!!

I am not a fan of electronic music.

 
 

Blue cheese on demand? I’d be down with that.

Laundry day just got EW.

 
 

Sorry, I meant to make a joke about moobs but I was afraid T&U would get offended so I went back to the earlier topic.

JESUS CHRIST WE GET IT. YOU’RE A FULL CUP SIZE BIGGER THAN ME.

Could we please drop this now?

 
 

I saw Moby at summerfest. I liked it.

I am, however, not surprised that I disagree with N FUCKING POLAR BEAR FURRY B on this.

 
 

JESUS CHRIST WE GET IT. YOU’RE A FULL CUP SIZE BIGGER THAN ME.

FWIW, I am a leg zombie.

Yes, I recognize that this is related to the High Heel Holocaust and I respect and simultaneously feel bad for women who wear heels while still liking them and I know I suck as a liberal for that.

Does it help that I marched on Washington to support the ERA?

 
 

I also think we need to mock engineers more when buildings fall down.

 
 

Also, was I the only one who tapped NPR to stream the new REM album?

Cuz it’s really good. Patti Smith and Peaches make guest appearances

 
 

Blue cheese on demand? I’d be down with that.

Some consumer processing involved. Not for the impatient.

 
 

I miss the iPad wars.
We all do son. there was something good and right and decent that we were doing. All of us together A Band Of Brothers and not gay at all. But,son, sometimes we have to chain the Dogs of Woar and beat our weapons into ploughshares in our bunks

 
 

A lot of my friends are burlesque dancers (I may have been born yesterday, but it wasn’t dark outside) and they wear high heels and they’re liberated as hell, so I don’t worry about that.

 
 

Yes, I recognize that this is related to the High Heel Holocaust and I respect and simultaneously feel bad for women who wear heels while still liking them and I know I suck as a liberal for that.

Meh. Don’t feel bad for me, at least–I choose to wear them. Well, not right now, but I’m slowly working my way back into them.

And it’s not that my boobs are small; it’s that Spengler’s are so incredibly *large*. I think he probably has to special-order his bras.

 
 

You need me to reattach your arms, ZMOBIE!!!!

If that’s you’re first try at my marketing, I am going to cancel this check.

 
 

PFC Ploughshare, reporting for duty, sir. Hey, why is it dark in here?

 
 

Exually I used to be partner in a freakin ad agency. What do you need? Catchy byline? Couple pars of the ole pitcharoonie? It’s all coming back to me now.

 
 

The Donalde hasn’t been by yet. Maybe I should go poke him on Twitter?

Or maybe it’s because DA posted, and not his boyfriend Tintin.

 
 

March 4, 2011 at 4:33
Re: beat our weapons into ploughshares

…I’ll be in the bar.

 
 

“Btw, I’m doing my best IceNine, Variants,Snidely,PirateLurker,Ralph,Fenwickians,Fenwick imitation only with variations on the samename.”

Some of us are too prissy to do that.

I’m cranky today. What? No one else here has ever been cranky?

Feel free to change the subject!

I try to seed stuff from time-to-time. Throw out hooks. Seldom seems to work.

I suppose lurking is best today.

So I’m going back some Libya. Working out distances between key locations on the coastal road between Ajdabiya and Misrata. (That is the route the volunteer army of eastern Libya must take to reach Tripoli.) Zoomed-in Google map images to locate refineries and oil storage facilities.

Also locating airfields. The Sirte airfield has protected hangers for 70 fighter-bombers, btw. Shit like that. Not ‘fun’ material, little snark potential. Dark material indeed for an S.N strand.

—————-

Spengler: I’m sure you were brilliant at the bull-pen.

There. That’s non-cranky and sincerely meant.

 
Pupienus Maximus
 

“eating engineer’s rats.”

Sorry, this is nerdspeak. You want masturbation euphemism, three threads down.

(been busy – I probably won’t catch up)

True story: last evening as we sipped our martinis before dinner the following was spoken: “my carbon footprint was next to nil today, yours too, wasn’t it?”. Ahh, Portland. I *did* enjoy taking the streetcar to the co-op yesterday.

 
Pupienus Maximus
 

“Also, was I the only one who tapped NPR to stream the new REM album”

As a matter of fact, I had intended to mention that here.

/world’s_biggest_NPRfanboi. zrm – do you get the NPR Music e-letter? Great great great thing.

 
 

I’m cranky today. What? No one else here has ever been cranky?

I am starting to feel like i will never be anything but.

It’s not a good feeling.

Also, not sure “cranky” is the right word.

 
 

Some of the new Mountain Goats album was on the other day, but I didn’t get a chance to listen.

 
 

/world’s_biggest_NPRfanboi. zrm – do you get the NPR Music e-letter? Great great great thing.

nope, got it as a Facebook feed from our Great local radio station, 88Nine – worth checking out, independent and local if you care about a middling size city-

BUT; listened to it twice today, and as a zombie who saw them on both the Life’s Rich Pageant (Camper Van Beethoven opening) tour and the Green tour , zombie approves. Very much so.

 
Pupienus Maximus
 

The Bogomils, from whence comes our word ‘buggery’ feel that your comment about Bulgarians is an affront. As do I. There is nothing less dull than buggery.

 
Pupienus Maximus
 

Take the skinheads bowling, take them bowling….

 
Larkspur, Terrible Person
 

You guys will miss your new-fangled toys when the rolling blackouts hit, and then I will laugh and laugh, and continue to write my memoirs with charcoal twigs on the backs of old hub caps, for there will be many hub caps on many tires of many cars that go nowhere, and you will envy my wee dwelling on the nether side of a once-great freeway overpass.

VS, can you still not even have a beer? Surely Dudeskull’s arrival is eminent immanent elementary nigh?

 
 

PC versus Mac? AGAIN?

They’re BOTH pretty scummy, for different reasons. PCs are primadonnas when it comes to installing anything new & look homely compared to Macs. Macs have a bad case of teh Proprietary Rabies & cost waaaay too much for units that lack in utility compared to PCs.

PROTIP: Mactards really need to stop crowing about viruses – the only people who ever get them any more are those too bone-stoopid to run a good filter, or offices with bosses too stingy/dumb to upgrade or do maintenance. 2002 was a long time ago.

That “shariah4america” site has to be a spoof.

Correct.

The creators and contributors to sharia4america unconditionally oppose Sharia Law and its implementation. The laws of the United States, as envisioned by our Founding Fathers, are the only laws that should ever be applied.

So they’re actually a pro-slavery website. EDGY!

 
Larkspur, Terrible Person
 

Also, don’t name him Shirley.

 
 

BUT; listened to it twice today, and as a zombie who saw them on both the Life’s Rich Pageant (Camper Van Beethoven opening) tour and the Green tour , zombie approves. Very much so.

1. Jealous. LRP is my favorite of theirs, and I’ve only seen them once in a fairly large arena. 2. Good, because their last three or so albums have been…umm…ass. I say this with love, as I’ve been a fan since the second grade, but…yeah.

 
 

You guys will miss your new-fangled toys when the rolling blackouts hit, and then I will laugh and laugh, and continue to write my memoirs with charcoal twigs on the backs of old hub caps,

I do most of my writing with a switchblade on a parchment of nubile seal flesh. But…I’ve said too much.

 
 

You guys will miss your new-fangled toys when the rolling blackouts hit,

AND THEN MY ABILITIES TO DRAW USING PENS AND PENCIL AND RUDIMENTARY DRAFTING INSTRUMENTS WILL ALLOW ME TO RULE THE LAND,

1. Jealous. LRP is my favorite of theirs, and I’ve only seen them once in a fairly large arena. 2. Good, because their last three or so albums have been…umm…ass. I say this with love, as I’ve been a fan since the second grade, but…yeah.

I kind of like the more recent stuff, but part of that is because i cut them a break because of the prior awesome, but yeah that’s also where I come from. And I stood in line at midnight to get Monster.

The new one is sweet.

Also, you will hate me more because I saw the LRP tour in a 400 seat Oriental style theater.

 
 

smut clyde said,

March 4, 2011 at 4:13

At last we see the light.

Present for ITTDGY™³²®©!

Love it! But I could swear I’ve seen it before…Your place, or S_McG’s?
~

 
 

Also, i hate you all and will eat your charred flesh in the zombocalypse.

Except for N__B. I will feed him into the PTCruiser/Chipper.

Cheers!~

 
 

AND THEN MY ABILITIES TO DRAW USING PENS AND PENCIL AND RUDIMENTARY DRAFTING INSTRUMENTS WILL ALLOW ME TO RULE THE LAND

In the country of the CAD, the letraset is king.

 
 

And I stood in line at midnight to get Monster.

I actually think Monster is unfairly shat upon. There are some good songs on it, and I think it was a record that they almost needed to make in order to move forward. At the very least, I admire them for trying to do something new.

 
 

I’m a clay tablet and sharpened reed stalk man, myself.

 
 

But I could swear I’ve seen it before…

I have a history of posting links to Herbert Groenemeyer videos on S,N!.

 
 

On the topic of zombies: two stories, possibly related.

Human dumplings.

Banker cannibalism.

 
 

hey, I have already claimed my devotion to light tables and Prismacolor markers.

Fuck you all, might as well be stone knives and bearskins.

I also swing a mean sledge, if we are setting up post-fall coordination.

If not, zombies are still gonna eat you all.

 
 

Fuck you N__B, I am still ilving an R.E.M. binge and refuse to let an engineer bring me down…

 
 

If not, zombies are still gonna eat you all.

Your record versus teh squirrels does not strike fear in breather hearts.
~

 
Larkspur, Terrible Person
 

Charred flesh? Silly. I will get there first and eat the flesh tartare. You cannot stop me. You cannot even hope to contain me, for I contain, um, multitudes or whatever. Legend is I am legion.

 
 

I have a history of posting links to Herbert Groenemeyer videos on S,N!.

If only he had a Black Blade.

 
 

Fuck you N__B, I am still ilving an R.E.M. binge and refuse to let an engineer bring me down…

When the counterweight’s too light and you smack down onto the pavement you’ll think again. BRIEFLY.

 
 

Your record versus teh squirrels does not strike fear in breather hearts.

zombizzles are subtle in their planning.

We are kind of pissed at the 28 Days Later guy for letting the cat out of the bag.

 
Larkspur, Terrible Person
 

I am reading a new zombie novel called Allison Hewitt Is Trapped! by Madelyn Roux. It is not nearly as good as Spengler’s novel. I am not going to give it either a thumbs up or a thumbs down, though, on account of I want to keep both my thumbs, thank you very much.

 
 

P00P.

 
Larkspur, Terrible Person
 

“When the counterweight’s too light and you smack down onto the pavement you’ll think again. BRIEFLY.”

Engineering snap is well-engineered and snappy.

 
 

I have no useful skills for the post-apocalyptic era, so I will be totally screwed. Most likely literally.

 
Larkspur, Terrible Person
 

T&U, as a last resort, you can gnaw into your own cankle and beat your adversaries to death with titanium rods. That would be kind of awesome.

 
 

That would be kind of awesome.
Cankster cred.

 
 

T&U, as a last resort, you can gnaw into your own cankle and beat your adversaries to death with titanium rods. That would be kind of awesome.

True that. It would be cooler if I had a machine gun for a leg, though.

 
 

I work digital these days, but I used to COMPOUND MY OWN PAINTS, fuckers!!! And if this electron shit folds up, I’ll do it again. Hell, I even know how to seal linen with rabbitskin glue. Even made iron gall ink one time. Holy shit, what a disaster.

Pappy was old-school. He worked with a quill.

 
 

On-topic (unavoidable): if the shit really goes down, I’m moving to the Shire Vermont and starting an artist’s colony on an abandoned farm. We’ll eat a hell of a lot of cabbage and fart ourselves crosseyed, but there shall be beauty, music, art, and craftsmanship. Everybody will get laid.

And I’ll make sure there’s a huge stockpile of guns.

 
 

Aside from the farting, that sounds lovely.

 
Larkspur, Terrible Person
 

There’s got to be a way to weaponize farts, and not simply for internecine warfare. I guess I mean “utilize” or “harness” or in some other way use for good instead of for evil.

 
 


Smut Clyde said,

March 4, 2011 at 5:28

P00P.

There it is!
~

 
Larkspur, Terrible Person
 

I will journey to Vermont too, as someone must be the audience.

 
 

I guess I mean “utilize” or “harness” or in some other way use for good instead of for evil.

We can do it with cow methane. I don’t know about human farts, but surely cabbage farts would be more potent.

 
 

If someone farts on the commune and Larkspur isn’t there in the audience, does it make a sound?

 
Larkspur, Terrible Person
 

If someone farts on the commune and Larkspur isn’t there in the audience, does it make a sound? You will have to wait and check the hub caps for my review.

 
 

Also, not sure “cranky” is the right word.

We curmudgeonly old coots still use it. (It can also can be said of bebes, too.)

Now get off of my lawn, alla you kids! And keep the tom-fool racket down! I need some sleep before I go the Library tomorrow.

*slams window shut*

 
 

P00P.

Sure that’s not “d00d?”

 
 

check the hub caps

Inspired by Honest Abe doin’ his cipherin’ in charcoal on a shovel?

 
 

Inspired by Honest Abe doin’ his cipherin’ in charcoal on a shovel?

As opposed to the current president, a cipher in charcoal doin’ shoveling.

 
 

just wanted to share this for the “job thinning” post…
i might not have this perfect but the “comedy formula” per the great Ronny B is something like this:

person x time/event=joke
.
…so if, let’s say, Tom Hanks dies tomorrow of a sudden heart attack then there should be some time before jokes are made, some time to mourn…..now if Tom Hanks dies in a car accident because he was being blown by a tranny and lost control and the tranny bit his dick off and he bled out…now, while tragic, the division-by-event allows for almost instant jokes….steve being alive screws with the time aspect of it so for people still living maybe substitute irony for time?

 
 

NOT SOON ENOUGH11!1

 
Alkonholics Untie!
 

I heard the folks who brought us the Big Mac are going to name a burger after this guy: The McDonalde Douglas.

 
 

Nope, when the zombpocalypse comes, join the Red Prostate Trike force. Those people know what they’s about.

 
 

Hey DKW, USB reminds me of your mother. Universal, Serial, Bus.

 
 

We’ll eat a hell of a lot of cabbage and fart ourselves crosseyed, but there shall be beauty, music, art, and craftsmanship. Everybody will get laid.

The trick to reach nirvana is, of course, to synchronize the farts with the sex. Not everyone is capable of simultaneous fartgasms, but we may all aspire to them.

 
 

I can hear you breathing out there.

 
 

You’re sure that’s not farting?

 
 

We’re talking about tewts here at S,N now? Shameful.

 
 

I just received a written invitation to become a member of my industry’s professional development group. The invitation was in Comic Sans. With the ClipArt silhouette of the guy scratching his head.

 
 

“Comic Sans”

Professional! Understated. Sophisticated. Great for conveying that you “wuv” someone or that a cat somewhere is doing something amusing.

 
 

or that a cat somewhere is doing something amusing

Yeah, but but I do other stuff in my professional life too.

 
 

So Comic Sans isn’t good enough for assembly line dildo quality inspection now?

 
 

I just received a written invitation to become a member of my industry’s professional development group. The invitation was in Comic Sans.

If the starting level is set low enough, almost any change looks like development.

 
 

heh heh heh

I know enough German to know that she’ isn’t singing about wuv or lolcats

 
 

Some lolcats are very sexy. What?

 
 

I trust that you acknowledge my dedication to assembly line dildo inspection. Such a noble task is above Comic Sans. If I am to join the professional body and pitch my ‘USB – powered vibrator’ idea, my first request is that I get to choose the fonts.

 
 

Hey DKW, USB reminds me of your mother. Universal, Serial, Bus.

Oh yeah, well exford, your mom’s an unsecured wi-fi hotspot. With DS4/NA cabling out. That’s right, your mom straddles a fucking huge pipe.

 
 

I cannot stop giggling at “fartgasms.”

USB vibrators sound like they’d be terribly underpowered.

 
 

Are you saying that my mother goes for aggregate multiplexing?

 
 

USB vibrators sound like they’d be terribly underpowered.

FireWire for the win!

 
 

OT, but in regard f the recent comments, I’m reading “Trunk and Disorderly” by Charlie Stross, which is SF set in a future with mechanical servants, including sex bots. The protagonist offers up the following advice, which I believe is good even today: “You can’t take femmes for granted, whether they be squish or clankie.”

 
 

Are you saying that my mother goes for aggregate multiplexing?

exford’s mom is into extensive muxing
when she goes fuxxing.

 
 

Let’s just say that her signal to noise ratio is asymptotic. You know, it shoots off to infinity.

 
 

” squish or clankie”

I first read that squish or cankle.

So, was that quote in reference to whether the sexbots were hard or soft?

 
 

So, was that quote in reference to whether the sexbots were hard or soft?

No. You (AFAIK) are squish, a bot is a clankie.

 
 

Oh, ok. That makes more sense, I guess.. Although I was picturing a world where some sexbots were like Real Dolls and some were like R2d2.

 
 

I’m cranky today. What? No one else here has ever been cranky?

Never.

There’s got to be a way to weaponize farts, and not simply for internecine warfare. I guess I mean “utilize” or “harness” or in some other way use for good instead of for evil.

Biogas!

 
 

I’m cranky today. What? No one else here has ever been cranky?

Duh. There’s someone here who’s cankle every day.

 
 

There’s got to be a way to weaponize farts, and not simply for internecine warfare. I guess I mean “utilize” or “harness” or in some other way use for good instead of for evil.

Biogas!

Glass spheres filed with farts, tied at the ends of rope in threes. Biogas bolas!

 
 

Duh. There’s someone here who’s cankle every day.

It’s getting better!

 
 

You (AFAIK

BTW, I had to look up this acronym. I’m flattered you wondered if I MIGHT be a sexbot. AFAIK, I am not one.

 
 

some sexbots like R2d2

BTW…hot much?

 
 

It’s getting better!

I’m not dead yet!

 
 

It’s just a flesh wound!

 
 

See this here is the problem. People outside the DC circle jerk say “none of you assholes in the legislative, judicial, or executive branches cares about Main Street. You fuckers” based on eleventy trilliquintillibillion pieces of evidence flooding over the transom like rat turds borne on a tide of rancid alligator piss.

And every time, a chorus of peckerspots come out of the woodwork to say, “no, no, the Democrats care a whole big bunch, it’s just that their hands are tied.” Because bullshit, right? Or the fucking fucks would do something. Their hands are not fucking tied. If I was a congressperson you’d have to chain me to a shitpipe in the basement to keep me from fighting back against this evil crap.

So in the piece I link to above, this asshole says:

The Democrats aren’t blameless, but they don’t like to waste time. After a few days, it gets really boring trying to reason with Republicans. Then you just figure out what you can muscle through and you go for that. The Democrats know that they can’t close the unemployment rate because anything expensive enough to work is just going to get voted down in the House or filibustered in the Senate. So, they move on. They focus on other things that they can make progress on rather than sitting around moping and feeling impotent.

That’s it. That’s the whole explanation. The unemployment rate could by 90% in Northern Virginia and it wouldn’t change the basic dynamics.

NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!!! You mean to tell me the Democrats are fucking BORED? They don’t want to feel fucking impotent?

What a gigantic crock of shit. And the fucking stewards on the Titanic would have let the C Deck passengers up, too, except they didn’t want to wake up the First Mate to get the keys.

The thing is, this passes for a good reason in Washington. Whatsit over at Balloon Juice put up a post about this, all like, “oh, well that’s reasonable.” Even the fucking people that make a living calling out the insiders are insiders, at this point.

AAAAARRRRGGGHHHH!!!

Can’t touch this
Can’t touch this
Can’t touch this
Break it down
Oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh
Oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh
Stop! Hammer time

 
 

The thing is, this passes for a good reason in Washington. Whatsit over at Balloon Juice put up a post about this, all like, “oh, well that’s reasonable.” Even the fucking people that make a living calling out the insiders are insiders, at this point.

I was *just* coming over here to post about this.

It’s just a game to them.

 
 

BTW, I do have to disagree with Chris Hayes on one point.

He writes: “The first is 4.2. That’s the percentage of Americans with a four-year college degree who are unemployed. It’s less than half the official unemployment rate of 9 percent for the labor force as a whole and one-fourth the underemployment rate (which counts those who have given up looking for work or are working part time but want full-time work) of 16.1 percent […] For those of us fortunate enough to have graduated from college—and to have escaped foreclosure or an underwater mortgage—normalcy has returned.”

People with college degrees? Are underemployed. Especially younger people. Add the fact that a lot of them are struggling with fucking MOUNDS of student loan debt, and the prospect that this stated is “normalcy” is terrifying. Is their situation as urgent or difficult as it is for the working class? Of course not. But part of the reason why the unemployment rate is so low among college graduates is that they’re working jobs that would have normally gone to people with high school educations.

This may not be true for the Beltway–I don’t know. And I’m sure it’s certainly not true for Chris Hayes’ peer group. But I do find it interesting that in a column talking about elitism, he displays a bit of elitism himself.

 
 

To hell with it. Let’s start a Sadly, No RV park. This place is for sale. $350k. We can subsist on dope sales.

 
 

part of the reason why the unemployment rate is so low among college graduates is that they’re working jobs that would have normally gone to people with high school educations.

Right? Cadillac for the price of a Ford? Everybody gets a Caddy.

 
 

We should get a room.

 
 

I also have to say (as someone who is fairly firmly entrenched in the middle class myself) that it strikes me as a little funny that the middle class is just now waking up to the fact that we’re all being fucked because we’re starting to go through what the poor and working class have been struggling with for the last 30 years.

I’m glad that some people have woken up. I just wish it would’ve happened a little sooner.

 
 

To hell with it. Let’s start a Sadly, No RV park. This place is for sale. $350k. We can subsist on dope sales.

And alpaca sweaters!

 
 

What a late-inning rally, sportsfans! Everyone is hitting now. From yesterday’s snooze-fest to this red-hot scoring extravaganza…it’s just amazing how the thread turned around.

Must have all eaten Magic Wheaties for breakfast this morning.

Or Rice Krispies: lots of snap, crackle, and pop here.

Interested?

Would anyone be interested on an update / non-technical explanation for what is going on militarily in Libya?

I haven’t put anything up since the NFZ convo; I don’t want to clog the thread. (BTW, it looks as it there will be no NFZ in the near future.)

Anyway, the update mostly concerns ground forces. (I know ground forces better than zoomie or naval operations.)

T&U suggested that I try to change the thread. All I want to do is toss out a hook which might stimulate conversation among several Sadlies who have an interest such things.

If there is interest, I’ll put it up this evening…in whatever thread is running.

(BTW, today is Friday, the day of Islamic weekly prayer; it is therefore a day when the assembled people leaving mosques are more likely to stage demonstrations; moreover, the authorites are more inclined to showing restraint on the Islamic sabbath. I’d like to digest Friday’s events before putting up a summary.)

I’ll put this sort of stuff on the blog once it is running; for the time being, however, S.N is my only vehicle.

 
 

Right? Cadillac for the price of a Ford? Everybody gets a Caddy.

Yup. And those of us who have the brains and/or resources and/or background to buy our way into jobs that will allow us to rotate through an ever-growing mound of debt without falling into bankruptcy as long as we’re lucky are supposed to be grateful for what we have because we’re just screwed, not epically, horribly, fatally screwed.

 
Guerrilla Voters Cadre 18
 

peckerspots come out of the woodwork to say, “no, no, the Democrats care a whole big bunch, it’s just that their hands are tied.” Because bullshit, right? Or the fucking fucks would do something. Their hands are not fucking tied.

Solidarity.

Leprosy: Don’t vote for it.

 
 

Oh! The healthcare bill was a great example of that shit. No, their hands aren’t tied, assholes. It’s that they’re more afraid of losing corporate funding than they are of the American people, and when you keep kowtowing to them and defending their spinelessness, they have no fucking REASON to be afraid of us, you sycophantic pricks.

 
Junkpuncho the Junk-Punching Alpaca
 

And alpaca sweaters!

Why’s everybody looking at me like that?

 
 

Relax Junkpuncho, it will be summer soon. We wouldn’t want you to get too hot. You’ve got a busy year coming up.

 
 

People with college degrees? Are underemployed. Especially younger people. Add the fact that a lot of them are struggling with fucking MOUNDS of student loan debt, and the prospect that this stated is “normalcy” is terrifying.

25 years ago my student loan debt was heavy burden…even with the GI Bill and GI survivor’s benefits helping me. I cannot imagine the back-breaking student loan debt that recent graduates are carrying, with a big chunk of it siphoned off by government-authorized private-sector predators.

Pisses me off mightily, T&U. Free education should extend through four-year college. There is money to pay for it (and a damn sight more): Pull the plug on the next-generation air-superiority fighter fleet.

(Have I ever mentioned that I’m prejudiced against zoomies and ‘air power’ doctrine?)

 
Larkspur, Terrible Person
 

Inspired by Honest Abe doin’ his cipherin’ in charcoal on a shovel? M. Bouffant, I’m way late, but yes, precisely. I very nearly wrote”shovels” instead of hub caps, but then I theorized that since we’re talking about post-apocalypse, how many shovels could I really assemble? And if it’s just the one, I would have to rub out my memoirs after each shovelful. And since I will probably call the freeway underpass home, and since there may well be hub caps galore, and since I could stack them in and around my wee dwelling indefinitely, I said, “Abe, dude, brilliant idea, Imma just tweak it a little”.

In other news: when I was little I worried desperately about leprosy and quicksand, although not leprosy and quicksand. I blame my parents’ subscription to Readers Digest.

 
 

Do alpaca sweaters taste good?

 
 

Must get ready for the Library now.

 
Larkspur, Terrible Person
 

Chris Hayes really said that a college degree kinda sorta generally insures you will be on the right side of the have, have not, have more, have less divide? Chris Hayes, prepare to be spanked. Unless you like to be spanked, in which case, prepare to never ever be spanked again.

 
 

Something bothering you SD? Is there something you want to say?

 
 

And every time, a chorus of peckerspots come out of the woodwork to say, “no, no, the Democrats care a whole big bunch, it’s just that their hands are tied.” Because bullshit, right? Or the fucking fucks would do something. Their hands are not fucking tied. If I was a congressperson you’d have to chain me to a shitpipe in the basement to keep me from fighting back against this evil crap.

I have responded to this comment elsewhere. It’s up to you to find it and then post a reply on a 4th blog. Better get on it because I called you an asshole and everything. Kudos for the “if I were a congressman” stuff though. “Lemme at ’em, lemme at ’em, I’ll moiderize da bums.” What a tough guy.

Oh! The healthcare bill was a great example of that shit. No, their hands aren’t tied, assholes. It’s that they’re more afraid of losing corporate funding than they are of the American people, and when you keep kowtowing to them and defending their spinelessness, they have no fucking REASON to be afraid of us, you sycophantic pricks.

Yes, it’s a good thing they passed the bill they passed otherwise the Chamber of Commerce would have spent many, many millions trying to get as many of them kicked out of office as possible.

 
 

Not such a Terrible Person: When I was a child I actually got stuck in quicksand up to my thighs. My grandfather got me out. I was terrified.

 
 

I blame my parents’ subscription to Readers Digest.

My parents subscribed to National Geographic, for which I blame other things.

 
 

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Smut Clyde said,

March 4, 2011 at 5:28 (kill)

P00P.

Also seen in SF

POOP1
and POOP2

 
 

Yes, it’s a good thing they passed the bill they passed otherwise the Chamber of Commerce would have spent many, many millions trying to get as many of them kicked out of office as possible.

Or, I dunno, the private health insurance industry?

 
 

I would have to rub out my memoirs after each shovelful.

*blink*

*blink*

 
 

Yeah, that’s what the kids are calling it these days.

 
 

I think Hookers and Blow would be a terrific name for a law firm.

 
Larkspur, Terrible Person
 

Sorry, Dubious P – see M. Bouffant at 6:44 for the shovel thing.

And Fenwick, oh dear lord, you encountered quicksand? I had just about convinced myself that it didn’t really happen except in old, old Tarzan movies.

 
 

I think Hookers and Blow would be a terrific name for a law firm.

Much like the current favorite, http://www.ferrethandjobs.com/

which has unfortunately gotten wise to the lulz.

 
 

“I think Hookers and Blow would be a terrific name for a law firm.”

But Bananas and Blow would be kookier and make people think of monkey-lawyers.

 
 

I see your Bananas and Blow and raise you Bananas and Pajamas.

 
 

Larkspur,

Got that. It was the rubbing out that raised my brow. TandU, that filthy-minded virago, read me proper-like. Bless her cankle.

 
 

Or, I dunno, the private health insurance industry?

What?

 
 

Lawnguylander, in re:

I have responded to this comment elsewhere. It’s up to you to find it and then post a reply on a 4th blog. Better get on it because I called you an asshole and everything. Kudos for the “if I were a congressman” stuff though. “Lemme at ‘em, lemme at ‘em, I’ll moiderize da bums.” What a tough guy.

Blow it out your ass, you sanctimonious choad-sniffing pile of shit.

 
 

The blood boils.

Yoohoo, Zombie: soups on.

 
 

Wow. The alternate reading never occurred to me until just now – rubadubdub three men in a tub. There’s a nursery rhyme I could get into.

 
 

Aw, Jeez.

Shorter TX state Rep. Debbie Riddle

No, no, no. I meant make it a crime for anyone else to hire a Messican.

 
 

Blow it out your ass, you sanctimonious choad-sniffing pile of shit.

I’ve got to go make creepy comments to female commenters’ about their tits at another blog I frequent (please don’t tell my girlfriend) but then I’m going to come back and mess you up for saying such a mean thing to me.

 
 

RV park

That’s an awesome idea

 
 

Cry me a river, Meggles.

Actually, for once I agree with her conclusion that it’s wrong. Probably for different reasons though.

I think CA tried something like this not too long ago. I’m trying to remember. Somewhere, anyhow. And got smacked down, iirc. There’s that pesky taxation without representation thingy so present in the American political genome. If states get to arbitrarily decide who they get to tax, regardless of actual residency, it sort of opens up a big ol’ can of worms. We’d all have to file 51 returns.

I don’t think it’ll pass muster on the inevitable appeals. Again, probably not for the right reasons, but because imposing upon the wealthy is simply not done in our modern serfdom. Heavens! They might go Galt!

 
 

Okay, seriously: how the fuck am I “posting too quickly?” I haven’t even posted once today!

Anyways: the Balloon Juice article (the one that links to Booman) has a hundred comments or so with conversations that are worth reading, IMO.

And also too, if anyone’s interested, here’s Al Jazeera English’s take on a hypothetical Libya no-fly zone, what it would entail and what the complications would be. It tends to fly in the face of my earlier arguments in support of an NFZ. It also, however, tends to confirm Hillary’s comment yesterday – Al Jazeera is successful because it delivers real news (and in this case, meaningful analysis), pure and simple. Which so much of the U.S. media has forgotten how to do.

 
Pupienus Maximus
 

Whatever you did you killed the thread. It was asking for it.

 
 

If states get to arbitrarily decide who they get to tax, regardless of actual residency, it sort of opens up a big ol’ can of worms. We’d all have to file 51 returns.

Those of us who own houses in all 50 states plus DC and have at least one household member who works in all of them, I suppose.

But under 183 day rule, couldn’t someone with a house in NY, NJ, and CT just avoid state taxes altogether? My feeling is that a person who leaves a certain “imprint” on the state is using state services and owes something in state taxes. Owning a year-round house in the state and working in New York could reasonably qualify IMO, even if you own a second year-house in CT and the taxes are lower there.
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You will also periodically hear people bemoan the injustice of being taxed in the United States, Italy, and Costa Rica, JUST because they own property in all three countries. It’s a hard life, I’ll admit, but somebody has to carry us freeloaders.

 
 

Thanks Chris. I’m solidly on the no NFZ side. IMO, the only problems that are solvable by using air superiority fighters are found in RTS video games.

I’m no military expert but I imagine that the logistics of getting that much air power down to Libya are definitely non-trivial, even discounting the fact that Western military forces are still recovering from being way over-stretched.

Additionally, implementing an NFZ is even moar difficult than simply projecting air power. Being able to launch sorties, on your schedule, to service stationary targets of your choosing – totes different than having to be able to respond 24/7 to enemy aircraft activity.

The discussion about the legality of it is interesting. I’m kinda off-put by the notion that there are existing resolutions that act as blanket approvals to shutdown a sovereign nation’s air space.

But the part that makes an NFZ a horrible idea is this:

A Western coalition intervening in the affairs of a sovereign Arab nation is likely to divide international opinion and could lead to unintended outcomes. It could also be used by Gaddafi to rally support for his regime

Sorry to break it to you, but the sight of Western Air Power isn’t the most inspiring thing for people not living in a NATO country.

 
 

I’m even on the fence about this part:

But he said international forces could help by enforcing some kind of no-fly zone that would prevent Gaddafi from flying in external power.

An embargo, essentially. It’s estimated that 90% of Libya is in rebel hands. I don’t think throttling back on border traffic is a good idea in this case. I think it would hurt the anti-goverment forces moar than it would Kohl-dauph-quee.

Caveat, I know doodly squat about North Africa. I don’t even own a tagine. My understanding of military stuff mostly comes from RTS video games. In my defense, I do make the effort to spell Qwardelfthee’s name as consistently as he does.

 
 

The thing about the NFZ that I hadn’t even considered was the air defense mentioned in the article. In order to maintain air superiority over Libya, you’d have to essentially take out air defense all over the country (SAMs and the like are a greater concern for NATO air forces than actual enemy aircraft), and of course that would lead to collateral damage.

The reason I didn’t think about it was that the issue hardly came up in the two precedents that I had in mind. In Iraq in the 1990s, air defense had mostly been wrecked during the Gulf War, and the couple operations like Desert Fox that occurred throughout the decade. In the Libya Freedom of Navigation exercises in the 1980s, our planes remained over international waters, so air defense wasn’t an issue (the Libyans had to send planes all the way out there to attack us, which of course gave us the advantage). Sadly, not the case this time.

 
 

Yet MOAR epic junk-mail via American Spectator – & the lead bit is yclept, I shitteth thou not: “Quotations From Chairman Ryan.

“We are headed for a fiscal cliff,” stated the Congressman, starkly, in his opening remarks. “Everyone in town recognizes we have a debt crisis except the President,” who is promoting tax increases based on the faulty assumption that the problem is insufficient revenue rather than excess spending.

I must’ve missed Teh Big O’s new Tax-Hike Jihad amid all the big-ass whompin’ TAX CUTS he’s put through (not to mention cravenly caving on granting an extension to Bush’s little gift to “My Base”) … & looking to the folks who anti-managed America into its current clusterfuck to pull America’s dong out of the fiscal pooch? No problemo! Foxes are AWESOME at babysitting chickens – just ask the GOP’s resident Canine Supervision Expert (& Certified Genius) Wile E. Coyote!

The problem is neither spending nor revenue: it’s a chronic – & growing – deficit of bourgeois jobs to jack oodles of badly-needed capital into a lethargic economy … & since those are all overseas now without a return ticket home, said problem isn’t going anywhere any time soon. Tinkering with public-sector monies is kind of a fiscal non sequitur in this context: spending cuts will almost certianly make it worse, but in & of itself pumping up revenue won’t make it much better.

The answer is staring everyone in the face: America’s infrastructure is turning into a deep dark lake of flaming diarrhea day by day, & you now have assloads of workers with wide-open dance cards who are either able to fix it or eager to learn how, especially if that knowhow is in the form of OTJ training. You also have the high-tech to do it Greener (& cheaper) than ever before. Infrastructure is dull as sawdust-flavoured tapioca, but it’s a hell of a good way to regrow those jobs & keep them domestic. Oh, & when you’re done, EVERYONE GETS TO ENJOY COOL STUFF. Lest we forget, in less than ten years FDR turned America from a borderline-third-world basket-case into a global Titan with infrastructure … I hereby double-dog dare America to give it a try again.

Cry me a river, Meggles.

Oh dear sweet Jesus, NO! Those poor bastards in the Hamptons! They may even have to … to … (voice drops to horrified whisper) to sub-let!

If inbred trustifarian pooftahs can’t even own primo luxury townhouses that they only see the inside of for two weeks per annum without the inhuman jackboot of taxation crushing the ultra-fun out of their Eternal Free Ride, I’m afraid it’s official now: AMERICA IS OVER.

 
 

I’ve been seeing a lot of discussion about NFZ in Libya and I just have a couple questions. Why should we leave New Zealand to deal with that mess by themselves, and what did they ever do to you guys that they deserve to be called New Fucking Zealand anyway?

 
 

You will also periodically hear people bemoan the injustice of being taxed in the United States, Italy, and Costa Rica, JUST because they own property in all three countries. It’s a hard life, I’ll admit, but somebody has to carry us freeloaders.

I don’t think that Italy or Costa Rica, in your example, would claim the right to tax all income regardless of where it was earned, as if the property owner were a citizen.

But under 183 day rule, couldn’t someone with a house in NY, NJ, and CT just avoid state taxes altogether?

Last I checked, TX residency requires that you spend four nights a year in state to qualify. There is no TX state income tax. IIRC, Barbara Bush’s legal address was a hotel where she had a standing reservation to spend the requisite four days. Tax dodgers dodge.

If you live in NY, which means, to NY, that you spend half your time there, you will be taxed as such. Fair enough. Even if you try the TX thing. CA law says something similar, but much less than 183 days. Also fair enough. Simply owning a house somewhere doesn’t make you a resident. At what point would renting a hotel room subject one to taxes on all earned income? Hey! He ate a pastrami at Katz’s! He should be taxed as a resident! Not really that big a jump.

Determining residency is a complex issue, just ask Rahm.

My feeling is that a person who leaves a certain “imprint” on the state is using state services and owes something in state taxes. Owning a year-round house in the state and working in New York could reasonably qualify IMO, even if you own a second year-house in CT and the taxes are lower there.

While I get that someone profiting off the commons has a duty to give back, I can’t get behind multiple states claiming the right to tax one person’s income. Sorry. The government you vote for gets to tax you. Others, not so much. There are undoubtedly other, less problematic ways to tax “out of state” property owners. Having a crazy high property tax rate that is discounted for residents springs to mind. The New Jersey deal mentioned in the article is another. Letting states claim “home state jurisdiction” over people at whim strikes me as a bad idea. Anyone who thinks that such a practice would stop at second home ownership doesn’t pay much attention.

 
 

HAH! I’ve bebadgered myself!

 
 

What?

What?

TandU, that filthy-minded virago,

How’d you know I was born in September?

 
 

re: AA.

Not sure if this is as big a problem as you think. Current gen interceptors have some pretty impressive capabilities. Phoenix missiles have a range of 100 nautical miles. Destroyer/frigate launched Sea Sparrows are good for almost as far. Plus K’Dao Phi would have to shoot at Western aircraft, possibly killing American pilots. If operations could be run from neighbouring countries, well mobile SAM ranges are pretty fricking long too.

I imagine that they’d implement the NFZ well before SEAD operations begin – you don’t want to be bombing before you have air superiority. Then again, I hear they do all sorts of things with cruise missiles nowadays so maybe I’m wrong.

Again – just me and my ignorant opinion, but I think the threat Libya can pose to Western aircraft is the smallest component in deciding whether or not to invade her air space.

 
 

What?

What?

I asked because I didn’t understand your response. It sounded like you were saying that the private health insurance industry was happy with the bill but that doesn’t make any sense so I think you did.

 
 

I assume that the NFZ debaters have read this:

Some interesting points for sure. Certainly affirmative action in establishing an NFZ carries the weight of responsibility for the new regime. That’s not just bad for the weight carriers, but also the burden of foreign influence accusations on the new government.

But these views (didn’t look at the stuff in the Wired links as I am still protesting their Lamo lameness) all align closely with mine so I guess it’s kinda inane for me to nod wisely and act smug. Although that’s not going to prevent me from acting smug.

Anyways, I think I probably got there by the wrong route anyhow as evidenced in this quote from LGM

I am generally reluctant to adopt the position that advocacy of any particular military action makes one “just like a neocon”; I think that there is, within the larger family of potential military interventions, a number of actions that don’t “rise to neoconservatism”, and the advocacy of which doesn’t necessarily make one a “hawk.”

And while I am most definitely not trying to accuse pro-NFZ’ers of neocon hawkishness – it’s not much different from my blanket I’m reflexively against military action.

 
 

I asked because I didn’t understand your response. It sounded like you were saying that the private health insurance industry was happy with the bill but that doesn’t make any sense so I think you did.

“Happy” with it? No. Much better with it than any real reforms, especially since it gives them millions of new customers? Yes.

But obviously I’m a complete fucking idiot who should tremble in the face of your amazing and brilliant arguments, so I’ll just go back to talking about my tits.

 
 

Incidentally, military action? I am reflexively against it. Not to say that it is never justified – just that the bar has been set way too low way too often.

 
 

Again – just me and my ignorant opinion, but I think the threat Libya can pose to Western aircraft is the smallest component in deciding whether or not to invade her air space.

I wasn’t worried about the threat posted by Libya to Western aircraft (we dealt with those pretty effectively in Desert Storm and Allied Force), so much as the collateral damage that would result from us eliminating said threat (whether it was with aircraft or cruise missiles or whatever).

I assume that the NFZ debaters have read this:

I have now, thanks for the link.

However, we shouldn’t be under any illusions about the political decision to intervene militarily in the Libyan civil war. Any decision to intervene means, effectively, that we have decided on regime change in Libya. This is to say that we’ve decided the rebels should win, and we’re willing to undertake steps that will make it easier for them to do so.

I would say that as in Egypt and Tunisia, it’s the local people who have decided that the rebels should win – the only question is whether Qaddafi will be able to thwart their will through the application of violence. The fact that he can’t trust his regular military units says a lot to me about how broad the rejection of Qaddafi’s government is.

It should also be noted that outside forces are already involved in the struggle for power, not by us or the rebels but by Qaddafi, who’s had to fly in foreign mercenaries to prop up his throne (presumably because his local forces are just that inadequate, or unreliable). This has already gone past the stage of an in-country dispute. If Qaddafi manages to stay in power, his claim to represent the people will be as much of a farce as the Shah’s after the 1953 coup.

At this point, I really don’t know whether I want an NFZ or not, but that’s something to consider too.

 
 

,,,so much as the collateral damage that would result from us eliminating said threat (whether it was with aircraft or cruise missiles or whatever).

Sure. I was just positing that Allied air commanders would have much the same view and not give a shit about Libyan SAMs and AA guns and totes ignore their existence. Then again, it is pretty unlikely that an opportunity to use cruise missiles will pass without the use of cruise missiles.

 
 

“Happy” with it? No. Much better with it than any real reforms, especially since it gives them millions of new customers? Yes.

But obviously I’m a complete fucking idiot who should tremble in the face of your amazing and brilliant arguments, so I’ll just go back to talking about my tits.

The reforms are plenty real. Real enough that they’ll make a big difference towards my future physical and financial health. I’m already able to purchase a pre-existing condition plan for myself and split the cost with my few employees for theirs which is why from my own selfish perspective all the comfortable liberals out there who were advocating against the bill’s passage can go fuck themselves and stay fucked. Are hundreds of billions of dollars in new Medicaid funds and subsidies for working and middle class people to buy health insurance not in the category of real reforms? How about bans on pre-existing condition exclusions and rescission? Are they real enough for you? They’re real enough for the insurance industry to have fought tooth and nail to try to defeat the bill. You wouldn’t have to be a complete fucking idiot to not know that, you’d just have to be someone who doesn’t accept information that doesn’t fit the narrative that you’re trying to push. Or maybe the insurance industry gave the Chamber $86M because they wanted to fake everyone out and make them think that they really did want to be heavily regulated and be forced to take on millions of customers that they’ll lose money on.

 
 

There’s an iPad 2? Already? Without wireless synching?

Hey, look, there IS wireless synching. You just don’t have a massive enough brain to act as a network server. We Mensans do it all the time. It was even a secret feature on the iPad1

 
 

But obviously I’m a complete fucking idiot who should tremble in the face of your amazing and brilliant arguments, so I’ll just go back to talking about my tits.

Would you? Please? It’s been so long since I’ve heard anyone talk about their tits on Sadly, No! I’m going thru withdrawal joneses….

 
 

Luxury! In my day we carried our stacks of Hollerith cards in shoeboxes!

Yer a spoilt child. In MY day, we had to punch our own holes in stones using a pterodactyl.

 
 

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