Attention Sadly, No! heathens!!! Prepare for C1K!!! The interweb apocolypse is nye!!

Clearly the fax machines that provide their talking points are working overtime:

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2006/07/jihad_congressm.html

“If the Democrats take control of the house in November, Dingell will be the Chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee. He’s one of the jihad eight (Democrats of course) that did not vote for a resolution supporting Israel.”

Whenever I see this kind of blatent dishonesty in Right Blogistan, I always think the same thing. They get away with it. Always. No consequences. None. If we tried it, we’d be castigated unto the gates of hell. Now, why is that?

mikey

My guess, Mikey, is that bitter, hateful paranoids nursing grudges will always have more time, effort, and motivation left to spend on blogfighting long after people with anything better to do have moved on.

The devil’s in the ellipses, ain’t he.

It’s funny because this is the kind of thing wingnuts try to project on most media outlets.

By that, I mean this kind of blatant deception being passed off as fact.

[…] Via TP; S,N!; Atrios.  Explore posts in the same categories: Wingnuts […]

There seems to be no honor among dweebs.

This is exactly why most of the popular wingnut blogs don’t have comments sections. They wouldn’t want their readers to know that they are full of crap and constantly make stuff up. Nor do they have any desire is correcting errors that advance their cause.

After viewing the exchange in full over at Think Progress, I have to agree that it was rather dishonest to cut off Mr. Dingell’s remarks at the point where he said no. As pointed out at TP, Dingell condemned Hezbollah for using violence but was suggesting the US should approach the situation without taking sides. That view can be argued against without the cheesy truncation of his comments. It would have also been better, in my opinion, to point out how the rest of the interview consisted of Dingell putting forth a bunch of empty rhetoric and platitudes.

Frankly, I’m a bit shocked that such a high profile site such as Powerline would participate in what appears to be a coordinated disinformation campaign. The most charitable explanation for this is that he didn’t verify the full remarks before running with it. Think Progress suggests sending email requesting a correction be made on the site. I think that’s a good idea.

Frankly, I’m a bit shocked that such a high profile site such as Powerline would participate in what appears to be a coordinated disinformation campaign.

You haven’t been reading Sadly, No! for long, have you Bill?

Rush Limbaugh ran the doctored audio clip at the top of his radio program this morning. This one was pushed quite deliberately from high up in the wingnut klavern hierarchy.

meanwhile the wingnut blogosphere is all atwitter claiming that Hezbollah (with the complicity of the liberal media of course) staged qana.

Repent for C1K is near. These are the last days.

random_guy said,
You haven’t been reading Sadly, No! for long, have you Bill?

Actually, yes I have (though rarely commenting). I also regularly read Powerline, which is why this is so surprising to me. While I understand there are disagreements over the substance of political debates, this isn’t really one of those situations. While there can be differences of opinion on facts that are presented, only part of the conversation was noted. That’s just plain dishonest. It probably began with someone way down on the food chain putting it together and shooting it out through email or fax and then there was a hurry to get it posted without verifying. Ideally this will be explained in any correction issued.

In the interest of full disclosure I have to confess that on the substance of most political issues I’m more in agreement with Powerline and other right of center sites than I am with this one, but I believe it’s counterproductive to engage in debate based on half-truths.

PS The reason I’m commenting on this here is because I just happened to be on this site and noticed it. 🙂

[…] Powerline uses a chopped up video to attack Dingel falsely. The right wingers had a field day with it. TP has it also  […]

bill

there are literally tens of examples of powerline doing the very thing you are “surprised” by in the last 3 years. possibly hundreds. republican drones at either RNC HQ or at AEI or wherever send out a blast fax (which these days is actually an e-mail, but whatever) with the day’s talking points. oddly, those very points are propounded on TV by various republican consultants and/or administration officials, and with this i have no problem: it makes for good fodder for “The Daily Show” when you see eight people say the thing on 8 different shows using the exact same words.

but here we have, in powerline, allegedly thoughtful independent minds who just happend to come the very same conclusions as the RNC wants them to. huh. and it happens on most of the most popular hard right websites. huh. weird. and here they are, not disclosing it. and over and over, the spin that the RNC sends out teeters on the brink of flat out lie, or goes over that edge. and powerline et al do nothing to research the claims.

and all of this has been exposed over and over by various internetizens, in many magazines and so on.

and you, you innocent little churl you, are shocked, shocked, by such a thing.

sorry bill, it just makes you seem like an idiot or an asshole.

i’m going with both.

Robert Green said,
there are literally tens of examples of powerline doing the very thing you are “surprised� by in the last 3 years. possibly hundreds. republican drones at either RNC HQ or at AEI or wherever send out a blast fax (which these days is actually an e-mail, but whatever) with the day’s talking points.

I understand that you believe there have been all those (hundreds!!) examples at Powerline and elsewhere and that it’s all part of a grand conspiracy. I don’t share that view, and I also don’t believe this kind of political organizing and getting out a “unified message” is the exclusive domain of the GOP.

I also somewhat understand your need to attack me personally for not sharing your views. I get the same thing when I disagree with those giving me the latest updates on alien abductions, crop circles, and Sasquatch sightings. 🙂

I understand that you believe there have been all those (hundreds!!) examples at Powerline and elsewhere and that it’s all part of a grand conspiracy. I don’t share that view, and I also don’t believe this kind of political organizing and getting out a “unified message� is the exclusive domain of the GOP.

Who is the liberal Bill O’Reilly? What is the ‘liberal’ TV network with ‘liberal’ commentators repeating the exact same talking points? Surely you MUST have examples if you want to make this kind of claim.

The real idiocy is that there IS NOTHING WRONG WITH SAYING “NO” TO THAT QUESTION. By saying NO to the negative question, Dingel is saying he is “against” Hezbollah.

This latest post from Powerline is really strange:

Michael Ledeen knits. Ledeen does … jam … the throbbing … party. Ledeen focuses on the White House … beating.

I’m not really sure what this means.

Not attacking you personally, with this comment, Bill, but the grand conspiracy to which you refer is referred to as “public relations.” There is a concerted effort to get everyone talking using the same frame and on the same topic. As the popularity of the Bush Administration has faded, the Republicans’ Party leadership has come to rely more and more on moving its political base to the polls, and the party media organs have become more and more monomaniacal and, to be blunt, desperate. The twisting and mass publication of a banal Francine Busby comment during the special election in California, and now this, makes for a fine example. Several media outlets, one of them Rush Limbaugh, if the comment above is to be believed, use the same cut clip, one drawn from a longer interview in which a Representative voices support for a non-partisan broker role for the US in the Middle East. And do this rather than respond to the substance of the argument. This is a coincidence? And is it a service to America and, frankly, the state of Israel to characterize supporters of a nonpartisan American brokerage that settles territorial claims and provides security guarantees in such a fashion? Because, some of the people making this argument are wandering pretty close to an apology for genocide or mass-murder in the next paragraph or breath.

I understand that you believe there have been all those (hundreds!!) examples at Powerline and elsewhere and that it’s all part of a grand conspiracy. I don’t share that view

The problem with the above statements, Bill, is that you’re seeing the issue in terms of beliefs and views, when Robert’s post was about facts. The difference is that facts are verifiable. They can be proven true or false — it’s not a belief that Powerline has posted many adulterated versions of the comments of liberals. It’s not a view. It’s a fact — easily verifiable by observing the evidence.

Your statement is rather like saying “I know you believe that Redstate called Dingell a supporter of terrorist groups, but I don’t share that view.” No. No belief involved, no view involved. It’s just a fact.

Let them have their fun.

They are not happy unless they attack someone.

Blood thirsty failed Americans.

Smiling Mortician, Brian C.B, et al

I’ve heard your arguments before and all I can say is it’s just more Sasquatch sightings. I’m willing to accept that you see things differently than I do, and given the venue I’m not going to try to convince you to agree with me. I just commented on the Dingell thing because I saw it as an example of shady politics. If it had be a Republican sitting in Dingell’s chair I would have made the same observation.

…it’s just more Sasquatch sightings.

Really? I mean, Malkin, Coulter, O’Reilly and Hindrocket are pretty damn fugly, but I’ve never gone there.

More to the point though, if you don’t think there’s a concerted right-wing message machine that works as an echo chamber, Bill, then you absolutely must take a look at this bridge I’d love to sell you…

So…. What’s with this new “reasonable” wingnuttage? While still as reality impaired as previous ones, Bill B. is nowhere near as entertaining as the S, N! trolls of yore.

“Look at me! I am reasonable! I would say the same thing if it were a republican so misquoted! Yet I reject your so-called “facts” as sasquatch sightings!” just doesn’t have the same yuk value as “Cobagz!” or “The fact is…”

Where have you gone, Annie Angel? A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.

Well, I guess we should just go public with His Emanence Rush singing “I’m a Nazi”. After all, it’s just Rush in his own words … with a little “reformatting” for clarity….

Cheers,

Aww, Bill B the concern troll is so cute! Dance, monkey, dance! Bill B doesn’t like the contention that Powerline embodies ‘shady politics.’ Nor does Bill B address any of the issues raised in Brian CB’s comment.

Bill B: you wouldn’t like him when he’s angry! A concern troll for the ages.

Docciavelli said,

More to the point though, if you don’t think there’s a concerted right-wing message machine that works as an echo chamber…

Of course there’s a rightwing message machine, though I don’t believe it’s as far reaching as some here do. I also know there’s a leftwing message machine, and boy howdy are there some leftwing echo chambers! The trick is recognizing when you’re caught in one. 🙂

Frankly, I’m a bit shocked that such a high profile site such as Powerline would participate in what appears to be a coordinated disinformation campaign.

I know! It’s just crazy, isn’t it? What the hell kind of world are we living in, anyway, when you can’t even trust Time’s blog of the year to give it to you straight. Sheesh.

Bill B sez:
Ideally this will be explained in any correction issued.

Ahahahahahahahahahahaha…funniest thing I’ve read all day.

Please don’t let any of us scare you away. We actually *do* like dissenting opinions around here.

It’s a proven fact that the GOP sends out daily talking points. I don’t know if Powerline is connected with them in any official capacity, but they sure pick up on those talking points pretty fast. They also have a long track record of deliberately misleading their readers, via blatant dishonesty or shoddy logic.

Fortunately for you, we live in the magical land of the internets, and all it takes is a Google search or two to clear things up.

sohei said,

What the hell kind of world are we living in, anyway, when you can’t even trust Time’s blog of the year to give it to you straight.

It’s a shame, isn’t it? Next thing you know there’ll be major network news organizations peddling phony memos and who knows what else! Yikes!

Yeah, damn those network news organizations and their peddling phony memos with accurate information in them! Especially when there’s plenty of other evidence that Bush skipped out on his National Guard service.

He could distinguish and divide
A hair twixt South and South-West side
On which, at length, he would dispute
Confute, change hands, and still confute

Attention! Attention! We have a fake, but accurate sighting. I’m not even going there. If there was credible evidence of Bush skipping out on National Guard Service then that should have been presented instead of contrived fakery. Puhleeze…don’t make me break out my moonbat stick!

my tinfoil hat repels moonbat sticks.

*end transmission*

*throws up hands in defeat* Oh dear, not the moonbat stick. Someone save me! Your grasp of logic is too much for my feeble moonbat mind!

Or you could, y’know, read the article I just linked to, where it spells out that the credible evidence presented was completely ignored because of that stupid memo. A memo that was never proven to be a forgery.

Speaking of the Republican noise machine, do you think that story would have gotten as much coverage as it did without some support from somewhere higher up the foodchain? People make all kinds of a accusations on blogs, and normally they don’t result in big-time news anchors losing their jobs.

We have a fake, but accurate sighting

Indeed! It’s deja vu. I recall encountering just such a sentiment back when people were crying out “Saddam Hussein in the Niger with the yellowcake.” Ah, truthiness!

Of course, there is something of a difference between a news organization being snookered by allegedly faked evidence about an actually true event (AWOL Bush) and hordes of partisans actively promoting a) faked evidence about something that didn’t happen (yellowcake) and b) faked evidence to deliberately misrepresent another’s position (Dingell). But it would be incivil to point that out.

MCH, I’m sorry, but that post contains alien abductions, crops circles, Sasquatch, AND the face on Mars. Of course I’ve already commented about the Dingell thing, though my take on it is slightly different. I’m not gonna bother refuting the yellowcake and AWOL claims because they’ve been debunked so many times by so many people it would be a waste of time, especially considering you still believe the myths after all this time.

Whenever I see this kind of blatent dishonesty in Right Blogistan, I always think the same thing. They get away with it. Always. No consequences. None. If we tried it, we’d be castigated unto the gates of hell. Now, why is that?

See, this is precisely the kind of overheated partisan rhetoric that brings the left blogofascisphere into disrepute. Don’t make Lee Siegel come here and break out his moonbat stick!

Oh, and you get a whack of the moonbat stick for using truthiness.

Bill B, you get a whack of the stupid stick for not citing your sources.

Your statement is rather like saying “I know you believe that Redstate called Dingell a supporter of terrorist groups, but I don’t share that view.� No. No belief involved, no view involved. It’s just a fact.

Alas, for some, facts are only what they believe they are. Objective reality? Oh, come now. That’s a bit much to expect from somebody with a “moonbat stick”, no?

I’ve heard your arguments before and all I can say is it’s just more Sasquatch sightings

The totality of my argument was that there’s a distinct difference between facts and opinions. Facts can be objectively proven true or false based on observation of available evidence. Opinions cannot be proven true or false, but can be supported or refuted by using — you guessed it — facts. How that argument is the equivalent of a Sasquatch sighting is a false analogy to beat all false analogies.

And here I was trying to have an actual argument, with logic and ethics and stuff. Silly me.

justme, I don’t know what Redstate said and I don’t care. It’s beside the point. And fiver, if after all this time you still believe in your mythology I’m certainly not going to waste my time trying to set you straight. You’ve obviously been in an echo chamber like the one you people say rightwingers are in. I know better than to go on a wild goose chase just to have you cover your eyes and pretend you don’t see anything.

Good day!

And fiver, if after all this time you still believe in your mythology I’m certainly not going to waste my time trying to set you straight. You’ve obviously been in an echo chamber like the one you people say rightwingers are in

Convenient. “I have all this evidence that you’re wrong and won’t show it to you! But it’s totally there!”

If you’re so convinced that we’re a bunch of whackos, then why are you here?

I don’t know what Redstate said and I don’t care . . . Good day!

And there you have it. The Bill B version of winning an argument: you can keep your stinking evidence ‘cuz I’m taking my ball and I’m going home.

Hey Bill B, tell you what. You hold your breath until Powerline issues a correction and an explanation of what Dingell really said, and I will send flowers to your memorial service. Deal?

You can’t argue with wingnuts, because they are allowed to use their own facts.

Case in point: Flush Limbaugh:

You know who really killed those people are the Hezbos. Hezbollah killed those people. Hezbollah put those people in that building and brought the rocket launchers in close by, knowing full well that the launcher would be targeted. That building didn’t fall for eight hours after it was hit. What do you bet that the Hezbos finished the job that the Israeli bomb did not actually complete? What do you bet they killed their own people for the PR aspect? These people cannot compete militarily with any industrialized nation, so they have to fight the PR and the spin war. And it is amazing to me to see how easily the duped US and world media is.

Didn’t Powerline push the idea that the Martinez memo about Terry Schiavo was faked–until somebody on the Martinez staff admitted to writing it?

Didn’t Powerline push the idea that the Martinez memo about Terry Schiavo was faked–until somebody on the Martinez staff admitted to writing it?

Yes, but they claimed victory anyway due to some minor error in the original reporting. As usual for wingnuts when proven totally wrong, they seize on some nit and claim that was their central, limited point all along.

What can Bill B possibly be talking about when he alludes to the “yellowcake” mythology? Does he mean the 16 words that the White House admitted should not have been in the SOTU address?

Does he mean the forged documents were not forged? Does he mean the “independent” report from British intelligence that depended on the forged documents?

Oh, and again, did he forget that the White House admitted the yellowcake reference should not have been in the SOU? That nobody in the Bush administration defends that story?

What possible universe are these wingnuts inhabiting where they think even one teeny tiny bit of the yellowcake story was true? Wait, I think I know………

Shocking that Powerline would tell misleading stories, shocking indeed. WMDs are found in Iraq!! Chlorine Bleach and Ammonia stored under sinks and in garages and sheds, hidden among the civilian population!!!!!!! Combined, those create lethal poisonous gas, just like in WW1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How can we fight such dangerous terrorists willing to go to such lengths to hide their treachery!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Where are my dang Cheetos?????????????????

Shorter Bill B.:

Cordial greetings, stupidcrazyhypocritical moonbats. [sticks fingers in ears] Mary had a little lamb, little lamb, little lamb…

Shorter Bill B.: If I have learned one thing from hanging out at Powerline, it is that an argument is won by mindless repetition of talking points and insults.

fuck powerline

Once again, Colbert has coined the perfectly descriptive term. We are living in…

wikiality

http://powerlineblog.com/archives/014856.php

There ya go. 🙂

I see I’ve attracted a flock of raving moonbats! Hayulp!

Good lord.

50 years of diplomacy as an “honest broker” and now suddenly its a crime.

It’s amazing what people with no clue about history or foriegn policy come up with when they are desperate to claim a rhetorical victory.

Not exactly a correction, Bill B. I don’t see anything there suggesting that the Power Rangers understand that they took part in a dishonest pile-on targeting Dingell. Instead they say: “ThinkProgress has posted a longer video clip and points out that Dingell continues his last answer[…]” followed by the more complete quote. A fair reading of that sentence is that Dingell actually said and meant what Powerline said yesterday, but that he then said more. Which Powerline, of course, takes as an opportunity to bash him further.

Uh-oh… somehow my italics tag did not close. Brad/Gavin/Retardo/Travis to the rescue, please.

Hurry!

Oh, hey, I closed it myself. Keen!

Bill B: Again, if you think we’re all raving moonbats, why do you read S,N?

From Powerline’s “correction”:
If I have this right, Dingell’s “actual view” is that the United States should be a friend of Hezbollah, though he condemns the organization for its “violence” even if he does not quite deem it a terrorist group. In other words, according to Rep. Dingell, the United States should serve as an “honest broker” between a murderer and the murderer’s intended victim. Thanks to ThinkProgress for introducing the nuance necessary to appreciate Rep. Dingell’s true view fully.

In other words, they were wrong, but being wrong only makes them more right! Jonah Goldberg called, he wants his argument back. There’s nothing in that correction that actually says they made a mistake posting an edited video.

Do you think the Bush admin. has now lost every conservative capable of logic and reasoning? Or is it just that the illogical, batshit-insane wingnuts are just cawing louder now that their idol is pretty much a laughing-stock?

Well, yeah. The good guys kill Lebanese. The bad guys kill Israelis. So fifty dead Israelis is WAY MUCH AWFULLER worse than a thousand dead Lebanese civilians who are responsible for all that attacks that ever have been executed against israel. The complete destruction of the country. The displacement of a million citizens. Those fucking 8 year old terrorists piss me off.

These criminals need to face some kind of tribunal. Gawd this is the ugliest murdering criminal act I have ever seen. And if I don’t need to remind you, I’ve seen some awful, murdering, criminal shit. And the ONLY fucking punk thug asshole that can stop it is getting off on it and won’t even ASK!! I gotta go puke…

mikey

And then I was just reading this thread kinda randomly and I saw something I missed. Michael Berube (sorry, don’t know how to make those accent e thingies) QUOTED me. Even if it was all snark, I can now die complete….

mikey

BLARGH! Fatty lawyerbeast! It is CREATURE did eat the videotape!!1!!!13

Yeesh.

I hope that helps.

Nope.
Okay, one more try.

(Never mind. It’s a markup thing.)

Bill B : So let me get this straight, you click over to a predominately liberal blog, you act condescending and superior because we still buy into some sort of undefined lie about the yellowcake memos and whatever else, and then you fail to properly cite sources for your claims.

Colour me unimpressed.

I’ll remember to look you up when I need half hearted trollery.

And fiver, if after all this time you still believe in your mythology I’m certainly not going to waste my time trying to set you straight.

“No indeed, fiver, that I simply will not do. It would be unseemly of me to disparage such unique and interesting views. I will, however, post several times over the course of several hours repeatedly asserting that I will not waste my time trying to talk sense into you Sasquatch watching, alien abductee moonbats.

I…said…good…DAY!”

“In other words, they were wrong, but being wrong only makes them more right! Jonah Goldberg called, he wants his argument back. ”

Priceless!

Cranky Yankee

The question is not “Why would a prestigious blog like Powerline do this?”, the question is, “Why would a blog so utterly lacking in substance and merit ever get any prestige?”

Maybe at one point they were insightful, but for the last 3 years they’ve done nothing but repeat GOP talking points, usually without even the embellishment that Rush or Malkin give them.

In fact,m I think this might be a good contest: Find a Powerline post where the boys disagre with mainstream Republican thinking.

Incidentally, I’m completely baffled at Powerline’s retraction (But not surprised). I mean, uh, the Isrealis have killed a fuckload of Lebanese citizens. And as I argued earlier, Isrealis, by being members of a democratic country with a tac-supported military, are actually MORE likely to be providing material aid and comfort to babykillers then Lebanese citizens.

Not that this AT ALL excuses the targeting of Isreali civillians, but I think that was the Congressman’s point; what’s good for the goose is good for the gander, and rationales for Isreali targeting of civilians seem to equally excuse Hezbollah targeting of civilians.

Incidentally, am I the only persn who doesn’t see how Representative Dingell’s views on the conflict have any bearing on the Energy Commitee?

I mean, if anything a neutral view might be slightly helpful, since a lot of Middle Eastern oil producers would be much more sympathetic to it.

Christopher,

I think you’re forgetting that, if we take over the house, Dingell will be chair of the House Energy and Commerce committee.

I hope that helps.

…did that fix the italics?

Nope… GAAAAHHHH!!!! I-TAG! I-TAG!

Timmah420, hi there! Here’s something for you to read about the yellowcake myth. http://www.slate.com/toolbar.aspx?action=print&id=2146475

I know, I know. It’s not from one of your “trusted sources”. That brings me back to the echo chamber thing I was discussing yesterday. I know you people won’t accept anything that doesn’t come from somewhere (blog, etc.) in which everybody already agrees with you. Therefore you won’t ever change your mind or admit you were wrong about something. That’s why I suggested it’s a waste of time for me to try to change your mind (as I stated in a couple of posts upthread).

I read this site mainly because I have an interest in group psychology. Moonbattery and echo-chamberitis represent one of my current fascinations. I’ll comment occasionally when there’s a thread about subject matter I won’t see elsewhere or if I happen to be here when it’s posted (in this instance the Powerline story caught my eye).

Oh, and DanSomeone? Color me shocked that when you were proven wrong you simply decided to move the goalposts so that you could make yourself feel like you weren’t wrong afterall. See? This place is the gift that keeps on giving, especially for someone like me who has a keen interest in human behavior and group interaction.

Oh aren’t we just above it all.

I say, old bean! the native types get up to some jolly mischief, non?

Oh Jesus Goatboy, glad I wasn’t drinking anything carbonated just then.

Are you seriously posting Christopher fucking Hitchens as a supposedly impartial source? You’re attempting to chastise us about exhibiting group-think, and you read Chris Hitchens and Powerline regularly? What a joke.

Bill B, still not impressed. That link is basically an opinion piece.

But I’m sure it’s just more persecution of conservatives by that damn liberal media right?

Hurr

Thanks for the link, Bill B. I’m not much of a Hitchens fan, but I *will* look into the issue. That’s what we moonbats love to do, research things.

You guys are missing the point. Dingell was asked whether he condemns Hezbollah, a terrorist organization. He said “no…” That’s not “yes,” it’s “no.”

He then went on to say that the U.S. should be an “honest broker” in the middle east. That is a euphemism for “have more sympathy for terrorists.”

No wonder most Americans don’t vote Democrat.

Wait a SECOND… By saying “no, I am AGAINST VIOLENCE”, in effect Dingell condemns Hezbollah but also Israel. But that won’t with the political orthodoxy, can it? Also, to be an honest broker is step in and actually DO SOMETHING instead of letting the slaughter continue. Clinton did it, Reagan did it, both to varying successes and failures.
No wonder Americans are going to overwhelmingly throw out the rethugs in November… we aren’t swallowing your bullshit anymore.

You may get a few seats, but nothing overwhelming. Certainly no majority in Congress.

The reason is, you’ve got absolutely nothing positive to contribute to America, or even the world, for that matter.

Moral equivalency – that’s your problem. If you condemn violence, then you cannot condemn the justifiable response to that violence. You cannot condemn both Hezbollah AND Israel. If I punch you, and you then punch me back, I should be condemned for violence, not you.

If the Democratic leadership can’t understand that difference, you’ll never get any votes, and you don’t deserve to.