Gayer Than The Average Bear
Posted on December 19th, 2010 by Tintin
Shorter Matthew J. “Nelly Ann” Franck, The Stanley Kaplan Post
In the gay marriage debate, stop playing the hate card
- Discriminating against gay people is not hate if based on a personal belief that gay people don’t deserve any rights. The gays who call me a hater are the real haters even if they do so based on their personal belief that they deserve equal rights.
‘Shorter’ concept created by Daniel Davies and perfected by Elton Beard. We are aware of all Internet traditions.™
Link borked, so I can’t tell if it’s OK by his logic to deny him rights based on my personal belief that ignorant taint-faced Jesus humpers don’t deserve rights.
Matthew J. Franck is director of the William E. and Carol G. Simon Center on Religion and the Constitution of the Witherspoon Institute in Princeton, N.J.
Ayyyyye BooBoo! (Here’s your link.)
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Finally, on “$#*! My Dad Says,” a CBS sitcom watched by more than 10 million weekly viewers, an entire half-hour episode is devoted to a depiction of the disapproval of homosexuality as bigotry, a form of unreasoning intolerance that clings to the past with a coarse and mean-spirited judgmentalism.
The butt-hurt stinks all the way to Ohio.
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LOL. “Oh, but don’t say we hate these inhuman animals, we don’t hate them, it’s just that, they are inhuman animals.”
Ah, fuck you, assholes.
But the charge of “hate” is not a contribution to argument; it’s the recourse of people who would rather not have an argument at all.
Contrariwise, asserting “the Bible says so” is the height of rational debate.
Matthew J. Franck is director of the William E. and Carol G Simon Center on Religion and the Constitution of the Chunky Reese Witherspoon Institute in Princeton NJ.
He’s right. I’d rather not have the argument, of who should have equal rights and who shouldn’t, at all.
If there’s any flaw in the strategy, it’s in its moving too fast, certainly not in “desperation.” Polling shows a majority of the under-30 crowd supporting gay rights on all fronts, up to and including gay marriage.
Sorry, but this is one issue where time is on our side and the GOP is going down all the way. If there’s any “desperation,” it’s in this pathetic excuse for an article.
In the eyes of history, methinks we’re actually doing you a favor by accusing you and your kind of being motivated by “hate.” The alternative – that you’re just that incapable of basic human empathy with X segment of the population – is a lot more unsettling.
Oh dear, why does he passionately disagree with America?
Yet another example of the all powerful GAY oppressing those poor, underprivileged straight, white, conservative males. Dog knows that everybody else is keeping them down as well such that they hardly have any rights at all and they cannot make their voices heard in the public debate.
Contrariwise, asserting “the Bible says so” is the height of rational debate.
The Bible is the first resort of scoundrels and deranged conservative idiots.
I don’t see any reason other than that reason there.
Other people have rights = us not having rights. Zero Sum Game, and all that sort of thing.
You… liberals! If you had your way, everyone would have the same rights as us, and then where would we be!
You… liberals! If you had your way, everyone would have the same rights as us, and then where would we be!
The America we were promised?
some for no apparent reason other than their vocal opposition to same-sex marriage.
Which is totally unlike, different from, and unrelated to the old anti-miscegenation laws.
Our Republic is doomed. The ranks of fucking idiots who think like this are growing like a wildfire.
I don’t see any reason other than that reason there.
I don’t see any reason other than that there reason.
I don’t see any reason other than the reason right yonder.
Fqsed for increased southiness.
The ranks of fucking idiots who think like this are growing like a wildfire.
Actually they are declining, especially compared to my youth in the 50s and 60s. This is a large part of why they are so loud and militant about it today, their days are numbered and they know it.
Nice to have the perspective, and I sure hope you’re right.
Oh, boo hoo hoo. The mean ol’ gays are making him use reason and logic, instead of “I believe myself to be better than you, so that’s that.” Hateful.
Kevin Phillips wrote a book about American religion a few years ago, he said the same thing about religion — lots of folks are drifting away from it, and those who remain are getting loud and screechy, out of fear. Enough to make you think they’re growing in number, but they’re not. I will say this, they have created a climate where the apathetic won’t stand up in public and proudly proclaim their apathy, and the atheists, well, you all know how quiet they know to be.
Hath not a faggot eyes? Hath not a faggot hands, organs,
dimensions, senses, affections, passions; fed with
the same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject
to the same diseases, heal’d by the same means,
warm’d and cool’d by the same winter and summer
as a Christian is? If you prick us, do we not bleed?
If you tickle us, do we not laugh? If you poison us,
do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge?
If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that.
If a fag wrong a Christian, what is his humility?
Revenge. If a Christian wrong a fag, what should his
sufferance be by Christian example? Why, revenge.
The villainy you teach me, I will execute,
and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction.
This may be the root of his confusion.
Actually, it’s not their opposition to “gay marriage” (aka equality) that lead the SLPC to classify the AFA and FRC (as hate groups.
Yes, that’s about right, douchebag. Your right to have whatever fucked-up views you want to have is protected. It’s just that the right doesn’t extend to subjecting everyone else to subscribing to and following the mandates of those views. Which means if you don’t want to be gay-married, then don’t marry another dude, but that’s not a reason to deny the right to everyone else according to that same constitution.
I love also how he trots out the “majority wins!” line of reasoning, as if a majority denying a minority equal rights (and that is the way it always works out) meets constitutional muster, just because the majority wants to do it.
Also. Too. I’ve put up my first War on Christmas post over at my joint.
Actually, it’s not their opposition to “gay marriage” (aka equality) that lead the SLPC to classify the AFA and FRC (a dozen Sadly, no!) as hate groups. It was more the calls for violence to be done upon us, their indefensible insistence on bullying kids to death and the like. Please FOAD right now, you pile of excess human baggage.
He is. I play the role of elder mentor at an lgbt social network site. I frequently point to things like Boys Beware! to demonsrate how far we’ve come. I ask them to imagine what it was like for us who were just starting to become sexual creatures being told by _everyone_ – clergy, schools, parents – that we were sick, monstrous vile beings who should just go kill themselves.
Kids, we’ve won. The war isn’t over, there will be more battles, most of which we will win, but the outcome is inevitable.
It got better.
Please FOAD right now, you pile of excess human baggage.
Don’t hold back like that, tell us what you really think!
Don’t hold back like that, tell us what you really think!
That would be unwise, considering the legal implications of doing so.
Actually they were classified as hate groups for spreading false and misleading information about LGBT people, in an ongoing effort to demonize them.
So this guy is flat-out lying his ass off.
FYWP
What I was trying to say there was, two .NE. a dozen or so, not even for large values of two.
It got better.
It did indeed. I grew up in the 50s and 60s and never new anyone who was openly gay until I got to college in the early 70s (and even then only among the hippies I hung out with). It was simply too dangerous and there was far too much stigma.
Went back and reread that Gallup poll I linked to; not only is the under-30 crowd supportive of gay marriage, but they list four different age groups and you can actually see support go up and opposition go down systematically as the group gets younger. So yeah, I guess things really do improve.
I can’t imagine what it’s like to not even be able to admit you’re gay in public, but then I can’t imagine lynching people because they’re black either, so… Easy to forget how far we go from generation to generation.
Well, what else is new.
Do they list Focus on the Family as a hate group as well? I’d lean strongly in that direction…
Chris said: In the eyes of history, methinks we’re actually doing you a favor by accusing you and your kind of being motivated by “hate.” The alternative – that you’re just that incapable of basic human empathy with X segment of the population – is a lot more unsettling.
Amen to that!
I have no idea what it is like to be gay. In the scheme of things, I have no idea what it is like to be truly poor. And I have no idea what it is like to be uncared for. But to make a step towards giving people who are unlike myself or yourself a chance to be treated like equal fucking citizens, people who have had to stand up to more than I have stood up to is such a great victory. America, you get there slowly, but you get there in the end.
/besozzled Aussie who is kinda unappreciative of those crazy proxy wars you Murrkins pursue.
Inspired by Tintin’s “then and now” post I give you:
Bryan Fischer, May 2010 (pre DADT repeal):
Adolf Hitler was gay and that he surrounded himself with gay soldiers because only gays were willing to be savage and brutal enough to carry out his agenda:
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/afas-fischer-outdoes-himself
Bryan Fischer Dec. 18 2010 (post DADT repeal)
We will no longer be able to bail out these other emasculated armies because ours will now be feminized and neutered beyond repair…
*I won’t link to RenuMurka which is where yesterday’s quote came from
Note that they didn’t publish a report, they published a “report”. How can you respect anyone who publishes things that are bracketed with scare quotes?
Don’t forget, though, that when the principle of equality for gays is so fully incorporated in our culture and legal system that is seems basically beyond question, Republicans will be saying they were for it all along.
I can’t imagine what it’s like to not even be able to admit you’re gay in public,
Not shooting any arrows here Chris but we tend to see that sort of thing as the lingering traces of the former overt bigotry. Again, please you know I’m not accusing you of anything.
In the tiny New England town I grew up in the gay kid my age that was hounded into suicide barely made the news. I was glad that somehow my brother escaped. I can’t imagine the possible extrapolations; how many hopeless, un-noticed suicides? Do these haters have no families? No friends? Don’t they know anything of the world? Of history? Of humanity?
I suppose I should add that in the 70’s, when I came of sexual age and fled the closet my freshman year in college, the phrase “an admitted homosexual” was pretty common.
Do these haters have no families? No friends? Don’t they know anything of the world? Of history? Of humanity?
No. they do not. This has been another episode of SATSQ.
/besozzled Aussie
REDUNDANT!
I suppose I should add that in the 70?s, when I came of sexual age and fled the closet my freshman year in college, the phrase “an admitted homosexual” was pretty common.
I think that partly depends on where you lived and when in the 70s. In Oklahoma where I grew up you really did not hear that much until the late 70s and even then not everywhere.
You know what this thread needs? Some Old Crow.
I’m too askeert to get off the boat, but this sounds like another case of bigoted butt-hurt, wherein fucktard in question not only wants to be a bigot, he wants to get a wet, sloppy blowjob for his troubles, and if you don’t give it to him, then, by god, YOU’RE THE REAL BIGOT!!!!
fucktard in question not only wants to be a bigot, he wants to get a wet, sloppy blowjob for his troubles, and if you don’t give it to him, then, by god, YOU’RE THE REAL BIGOT!!!!
That sounds about right.
REDUNDANT!
No shame
Just making sure that you know: you’ve currently got ads on the website that are pretending to be blog posts. It’s always one below the initial post.
You know, that’s a good quote.
It’s a very small pet peeve of mine (not against the people who say it); I often read people justifying their positions with statements like “well I’m gay, so,” “well I have a friend who’s gay, so…” or the equivalent with immigrants, racial minorities, Muslims, poor people, etc. And (this is the pet peeve part) that if anyone with no relation at all to the gay community (or any of those others) is caught politically supporting them, he/she’s a weird liberal who’s either just following a fad to try and be interesting, or is infected by white/straight/whatever guilt and doesn’t know what’s best for them.
I’m straight, hardly know any gay people, and don’t happen to be close friends with any of them. That doesn’t mean I have to think they’re weirdos from another planet, or somehow don’t deserve the same rights – and it doesn’t mean I’ve been addlebrained by “guilt” or “fashionable trends,” and definitely not by “self-loathing.” It’s possible to simply look at another group of people and say “let’s treat them like human beings.”
Several hundred years into the Enlightenment and 2,010 years after the birth of Jesus H. “Love Your Neighbor As Yourself” Christ, that really shouldn’t be so hard to understand.
I’d put an AHEM and link to one of my posts from yesterday, but I don’t actually know how to link to a post. Anyone know how, in case this happens again…?
No worries at all.
Of course, you realize, now that we’ve come as far as we have, this means gay people have all the same equal rights as the rest of us do, and anything from here on in is just “special rights.”
And you should be grateful because without the brave Republicans, you’d be living under Sharia Law, which is what liberals really want for you because they’re the real homophobes.
And you know, Don’t Ask Don’t Tell was the first step towards establishing Sharia Law in this country, so it’s happening even as we speak! QED.
Oh Matt, there’s plenty of room for everyone. Stop being such a Hog!
Grrrrrr. In writing my last comment I ignored the sushi rice and ruined my second batch of the day. I can cut fish blindfolded at midnight high on peyote but can I make sushi rice? It may be the hardest part of great sushi.
Linking:
<a href="" title=""></a>
URL between the first set of quotes, rollover text (if any) between the second set, text to display between both sets of triangle brackets.
No, I know how to do the links now… I just don’t know what to put in the space where you put “title.” How do you isolate one comment out of the whole thread?
In learning about the mystery of rollover text I may be ruining my third batch of sushi rice.
time stamp of the comment is a link.
Right click on the comment’s time signature, “copy link address” and Bob’s yer uncle. So what if he’s a prevert – he’s still _your_ uncle.
Simplest is to copy/paste from the source code:
Chrome: Spanner:Tools:View source.
I think firefrox and explorer go view:source
Ahhh! The magic is explained.
Testing.
It works! Thanks, mate.
I love also how he trots out the “majority wins!” line of reasoning, as if a majority denying a minority equal rights (and that is the way it always works out) meets constitutional muster, just because the majority wants to do it.
He should remember that white male fundigelicals are a minority.
I just don’t know what to put in the space where you put “title.” How do you isolate one comment out of the whole thread?
Title is for hover text i.e. when someone puts their mouse over your link a little pop-up box with your text appears. Not necessary, but fun.
But can you cut fish blindfolded at midnight high on peyote while operating heavy machinery?
I love also how he trots out the “majority wins!” line of reasoning
Unless the situation is reversed – then it’s “We’re a republic not a democracy! Shut up libs!”
cut fish blindfolded at midnight high on peyote while operating heavy machinery?
CHALLENGE ACCEPTED
This is a cute comic.
Pics or didn’t happen…both of you.
This is a cute comic.
It’s twue! It’s twue!
Gee, I wonder why he’s so keen on discounting the SPLC. Hmmm, let’s check their blog and see:
Matty is right about one thing; the SPLC does indeed give his little game away.
Just making sure that you know: you’ve currently got ads on the website that are pretending to be blog posts. It’s always one below the initial post.
Yes, & if you click it it will not be there again until the next time you go to the home page. Unemployed parasite D.A. can probably use the money. So click as if there were no tomorrow! (Hoping/assuming that something comes S,N!’s way from each click.)
The 2009 FBI numbers show that the LGBT community suffers from violent hate crimes at levels that are more than eight times their percentage in the population.
That’s called democracy, Bub. If you don’t want to be violently attacked, you have to work your way up to white heterosexual male, same as everyone else. Bootstraps! Freemarket! John Galt!
I frequently point to things like Boys Beware! to demonsrate how far we’ve come.
He started off thumbing a ride, he ended up fisting a stranger!
These are the best photos that I have of that occurence.
He should remember that white male fundigelicals are a minority.
But he knows, deep inside, that everyone else aspires to be like him.
But he knows, deep inside, that everyone else aspires to be like him.
Everyone wants to be a loathsome deranged idiot sack of shit? News to me.
Hm, a state law school with a policy that all recognized groups be open to anyone who wants to join is not funding to a group that requires a religious test as a qualification to membership. . “A group may abide by the school’s viewpoint-neutral open-membership policy and obtain the modest funding and benefits that go along with school recognition, or forgo recognition and do as it wishes,” the school said. The Christian Legal Society’s response is great:
But it said all groups would be threatened if required “to admit as leaders and voting members those who disagree with their core beliefs and viewpoints.”
OH NOES WE MIGHT HAVE TO ADMIT PEOPLE WHO DISAGREE.
It reminds me of the sort of “religious freedom” the Puritans seemed to be seeking, which is to say the freedom to make sure nobody was allowed to disagree with them.
Hey DrDick and Chris,
December 19, 2010 at 21:18
December 19, 2010 at 21:22
[The ranks of fucking idiots] are declining, especially compared to my youth in the 50s and 60s. This is a large part of why they are so loud and militant about it today, their days are numbered and they know it.
I’m thankful for the perspective too – and maybe this is why we youngsters were arguing in the last thread. To me, from my frame of reference, I’ve only seen ‘the right’ getting more stupid, more extreme, more blood thirsty, more depraved, more faux-oppressed. I don’t have the perspective to say, “oh this is just the nutters sputtering before they vanish, nbd” because it’s still one long crescendo for me. To me it seems like the world going crazy.
Everyone wants to be a loathsome deranged idiot sack of shit? News to me.
That’s because you’re not as wonderful as him. If you were, you’d know too.
Are comments blocked for the WaPo column? I didn’t see any excoriations over there.
Only certified loathsome deranged idiot sacks of shit are allowed to post.
Only certified loathsome deranged idiot sacks of shit are allowed to post.
It helps if the CLDISoS believe themselves to be wonderful.
I’ve only seen ‘the right’ getting more stupid, more extreme, more blood thirsty, more depraved, more faux-oppressed.
Actually, the right are getting more extreme than they ever have been in my lifetime. Mainstream Republicans now enthusiastically embrace the fringe ideology of the John Birch Society which they used to ridicule. On the other hand, society as a whole is increasingly tolerant of diversity and more accepting of equality for all races, genders, and sexual orientations. We are not there yet and still have a long way to go, but it is a vastly better and more just society in that regard than the one I grew up in. Economic inequality, on other other hand, is at an all time high and getting worse.
There’s a SPECTACULAR contrast between how American conservatives, especially Southerners, view themselves and think the rest of the world views them, and the way the rest of the world actually views them. Christ, Encyclopedia-sized books could be written about this.
There’s a SPECTACULAR contrast between how American conservatives, especially Southerners, view themselves and think the rest of the world views them, and the way the rest of the world actually views them.
I am continually astonished by how many people do not appreciate defense of torture, slavery, and lessor forms of sociopathy.
Yeah, I know. When I was still exploring politics, I found Barry Goldwater’s wikipedia article, read his views on social issues (I still love him for “I think every good Christian ought to kick Falwell right in the ass”) and sent it to my dad saying that wow, why couldn’t conservatives be more like this today? My dad (who forty years later still votes on the Civil Rights Act) wrote back a puzzled email advising me to “better look deeper into what he stood for.”
In retrospect, yes, it does seem insane that the current party would actually make Goldwater seem like a good deal to me.
I just meant… the self-image in general, even before you bring in politics. The contrast between the way American conservatives see themselves as the epitome of white/European/Western culture and think everyone else is gaping with awe or jealousy at the very sight of them… and the way the rest of the West actually sees them as backwards-ass fucks who have more in common with the eebil hajjis they want to exterminate, than with any post-Dark Ages culture.
And it’s at its funniest when they’re from the South, because then, even the outsiders who share their politics and their prejudices still point and laugh at what dumb, ignorant hillbillies Southerners are.
He started off thumbing a ride, he ended up fisting a stranger
Aaaaand yet another martini passes through my nose. That’s okay, I’ll just lick it off the monitor.
I just meant… the self-image in general, even before you bring in politics.
So did I.
…even the outsiders who share their politics and their prejudices still point and laugh at what dumb, ignorant hillbillies Southerners are.
Hey now. You’re an outsider who shares my politics and my prejudices (against teatardians). Do you point and laugh at me when I’m not around?
And it’s at its funniest when they’re from the South, because then, even the outsiders who share their politics and their prejudices still point and laugh at what dumb, ignorant hillbillies Southerners are.
Y’all been laughing and pointing at me behind my back?
Jennifer said,
December 20, 2010 at 1:56 (kill)
DrDick said,
December 20, 2010 at 1:58 (kill)
It’s just too easy.
BTW, has anyone heard anything from LittlePig recently? I haven’t seen him around in a while. Us dumb ignorant hillbillies gotta stick together.
Finally, on “$#*! My Dad Says,” a CBS sitcom watched by more than 10 million weekly viewers, an entire half-hour episode is devoted to a depiction of the disapproval of homosexuality as bigotry, a form of unreasoning intolerance that clings to the past with a coarse and mean-spirited judgmentalism.
I suppose it’s unnecassary to wonder how this guy might have reacted to “All in the Family.”
Awwww, Chris, you just stepped in it!
Most of the Southerners I know are wonderful people. Not to say that there aren’t pig-ignorant racist fucks in the south, but those motherfuckers are everywhere, unfortunately.
But he knows, deep inside, that everyone else aspires to be like him.
How deep? Deeper than the dildo?
even the outsiders who share their politics and their prejudices still point and laugh at what dumb, ignorant hillbillies Southerners are.
Hey, I am not a hillbilly!
Jennifer, I haven’t seen him in a while, either. Hope he’s okay.
Hey now. You’re an outsider who shares my politics and my prejudices (against teatardians). Do you point and laugh at me when I’m not around?
I’m reminded of Gary Larson’s “Relax, Jerry, he probably didn’t know you were an elephant when he told that joke” panel.
No image on teh t00bz.
How deep? Deeper than the dildo?
He only used the dildo for experimental purposes, not pleasure.
It’s just too easy.
Heh. I routinely shock the students in my intro class when we are talking about social dialects and sociolinguistics by slipping into an Okie hillbilly accent (not the way I normally speak) – “If’n I’s to talk to yah laik this hair, you’d thank I wuz an ignernt hillbilly whut dint know nuthin’ and wouldn’ pay me no never mind.”. Their eyes get real big, especially when I tell them it is real close to my native accent.
my native accent
Thanks to Fran Drescher, my native accent has a worse rep than yours.
I grew up (Or whatever ..) in the liberal bastions of San Francisco & Seattle (Seattle not as liberal in, say, 1966 as it may be thought now) although my parents were of the rock-hard conservative persuasion, not quite Birchers, but they subscribed to Nat’l. Review & Human Events. (HE was then two pieces of 11×17 paper stapled together, stapled shut & run through a postage meter.) And that was about it for extreme right-wing media, except for the JBS “Let Freedom Ring!” ‘phone line, which one could call to hear a pre-recorded message, & maybe the Manchester Union-Leader. In them thar days, you had to look for the loons, & subscribe to them.
Now, mostly as a result of any asshole who can hunt & peck & has a devil-box & web connection having an easily accessible forum (Click my name!) & any asshole who can afford it having a cable network/big-time website, what we’re experiencing is the hugely amplified & desperate death rattle of those on the losing (they’ll never admit to “wrong”) side of history.
So, young people, remain off my lawn, but do not despair.
(Just kidding. Surrender now to the forces of intergalactic pumice!)
More drooling no one would have heard in 1966 pointed out by LG&M:
From the guy who was convinced that the Flight 93 memorial was an Islamic croissant, which is about as rational as believing that every gay dude is a choreographer/window dresser who would float away if he weren’t tied down w/ some leather straps. (There is no newsletter; pls. don’t ask.)
I suppose it’s unnecassary to wonder how this guy might have reacted to “All in the Family.”
I specifically remember an episode featuring Archie’s masculine gay football player buddy, complete with a long lecture on homophobia. Then there was another multi-episode arc where a family friend who performs drag is murdered, devastating both Archie and Edith.
Those were the DAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYSSSSS!!!!!!
The hillbilly is the Jew of Liberal Elitism. ‘Cept we’re not antisemitic.
From another old radical bastard’s viewpoint, yes, it has changed a lot from the 60’s. I aso think, in my well-travelled and worldly experience, the nuts have gotten bolder and louder, too. I also think they’ve gotten fewer in number. Doesn’t mean they’re any less obnoxious or any more intelligent.
Ihave a slim hope that my transgendered kid will have a much happier life, and the latest one (the Li’l Creaturette) will be doing just fine.
From another old radical bastard’s viewpoint, yes, it has changed a lot from the 60’s. I also think, in my well-travelled and worldly experience, the nuts have gotten bolder and louder, too. I also think they’ve gotten fewer in number. Doesn’t mean they’re any less obnoxious or any more intelligent.
Ihave a slim hope that my transgendered kid will have a much happier life, and the latest one (the Li’l Creaturette) will be doing just fine.
DrDick, I had a light Okie accent that I worked for years to get rid of once I went to college. It’s not really pleasing to the ear, but I kind of regret having lost it. Of course, I’m sure life is easier for me with a generic midwestern accent than it would be with an Okie accent, however slight.
(I’m actually from Kansas, but grew up very close to the Oklahoma borde.)
Jennifer, do you speak w/ a sexy Southern gal drawl?
AFAF.
“border.” FY Droid.
I’m actually from Kansas, but grew up very close to the Oklahoma borde
We might have been neighbors then, as I grew up in Bartlesville, about 15-20 miles south of the Kansas border. My accent was never that strong, though definitely noticeable, and it just sort of faded over the years, especially after I moved to Chicago, and is now pretty much standard Midwestern English, though I still slip back into it when I go back or when I am talking about Oklahoma for any length of time.
P.M.’s Sex Ed. vid reminded me of “Killer Queers.” (“Killer queers are on the loose/Grab a gun grab a noose,”) which may be listenable here.
any asshole who can hunt & peck & has a devil-box & web connection having an easily accessible forum
Hunt&Peckerwoods
M Bouffant – my accent is a little hard to pin down; most people who grew up here think it’s different from theirs, and the folks I grew up with over in Atlanta think it’s different from theirs, too. But yeah, it’s generally a southern accent, though it gets toned up or down automatically depending on who I’m talking with.
Speaking of American regional accents, I grew up in Michigan, and it wasn’t unusual for some Michiganders to say that they spoke with no accent. Furthermore, there’s some sort of urban legend that news anchors/broadcasters go to Michigan for dialect training. It’s very much untrue, which made obvious if you compare “network English” with the accent that most Michiganders have and that I still have.
Hunt&Peckerwoods
Huntin’ peckerwoods.
More gay Yogi:
Sorry, no damn idea in which hr. it was broadcast, should you want to listen.
Why my niece was in a paper cup, I can’t remember.
I know. (And I wasn’t actually running off chastised, I really was away… or at least that’s my script, and I’m sticking to it!)
Ditto here.
1) I’m talking about conservatives (a.k.a. pig-ignorant racist fucks, which as you pointed out exist everywhere).
2) It just so happens that out of all said conservatives, the biggest egos I’ve met seem to concentrate in the South… which also happens to be pretty universally mocked in the rest of the country as the most ignorant and backwards part of it, even, in my experience, by a lot of their fellow conservatives. The contrast between the two views entertains me a lot.
[The ranks of fucking idiots] are declining, especially compared to my youth in the 50s and 60s. This is a large part of why they are so loud and militant about it today, their days are numbered and they know it.
I’m thankful for the perspective too – and maybe this is why we youngsters were arguing in the last thread. To me, from my frame of reference, I’ve only seen ‘the right’ getting more stupid, more extreme, more blood thirsty, more depraved, more faux-oppressed. I don’t have the perspective to say, “oh this is just the nutters sputtering before they vanish, nbd” because it’s still one long crescendo for me. To me it seems like the world going crazy.
There’s the population, and then there’s our politicians. They are getting crazier, and more brazenly corrupt I think.
We just got a renewal of the tax cuts that created much of our national debt, and now we’re going to see bipartisan agreement to cut Social Security “because the debt is out of control”.
No matter that Social Security has nothing to do with either the debt or the deficit. It’s money for common people, so therefore bad.
~
I saw a rainbow once, also. OMG! God must be a
fagproponent of an alternate lifestyle!I think the annoying thing is that they’ve kept winning elections for the last thirty/forty years.
“ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®©,
I left you a message at my blog.
Get your heads out of the gutter, people.
Question for the Midwesterners/adopted Midwesterners here; does any of you say “nookyular” the George W. Bush way? No offense meant by the question. It’s just that I’d only ever heard it from Bush, until I eventually heard it from my roommate, the deacon at the church down the street, and (in one of his movies) Harrison Ford… all people from the Midwest or Great Lakes areas.
2) It just so happens that out of all said conservatives, the biggest egos I’ve met seem to concentrate in the South… which also happens to be pretty universally mocked in the rest of the country as the most ignorant and backwards part of it, even, in my experience, by a lot of their fellow conservatives. The contrast between the two views entertains me a lot.
As a Yankee, I understood that you were describing the Southerners who are having “150th Anniversary of Secession” parties, and not the good people who recognize that “Confederate pride” is a shameful thing.
any of you say “nookyular” the George W. Bush way?
Californian all the way, but I remember the parental units advising me it wasn’t pronounced that way when I was, say six or seven. Dunno if I picked it up from someone or if it was just because I was six or seven & knew no better.
No excuses for anyone over ten.
re: Yogi Bear.
For VS. Don’t drink it all at once!
My sole defense: I bought it while unemployed.
Thank you, Captain! You shouldn’t have. No, really…
does any of you say “nookyular” the George W. Bush way?
That is really a mid-south dialect feature (i.e., hillbilly) and is common in the dialects of the upper south and border states, as well as the lower Midwest, Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Missouri. Yes, I said that until I left Oklahoma and never could hear the difference.
Well, alternately I have some Fighting Cock, which tastes like pretty good, instead of being grain-infused motor oil.
FIRST!!!
Ah, shit.
It sounds like if Fighting Cock and Old Crow were in a fight, Fighting Cock would win. Fighting Cock sounds much more hale and virile.
Cock.
I miss Ortlieb’s. It was like two dollars a case, came in midget bottles, and tasted similar to beer.
re: Franck
His first example of the stunning leather jackboot of Ghey Fascism:
What did said religion instuctor say?
IOW, fags are abominations and violate the natural order of things. There’s a bit more about presenting your opinions as official course material and academic freedom.
How does “Natural Law” account for the fact that in the state of nature, animals ranging from chimpanzees to porcupines have been observed performing homosexual acts?
” animals ranging from chimpanzees to porcupines have been observed performing homosexual acts?”
Is it just me or did it suddenly get hot in here?
“In other words, sexual acts are only appropriate for people who are complementary, not the same.”
Don’t bone your clone!
How does “Natural Law” account for the fact that in the state of nature, animals ranging from chimpanzees to porcupines have been observed performing homosexual acts?
Actually, according to a scientific article published last year which surveyed the biology literature, it is reported in the wild in pretty much every animal species, from ants to elephants, for which we have adequate data.
Q. How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
A. NO FAGS.
Here is a .
”
Q. How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
A. NO FAGS.”
Well then don’t expect the dancing to be good.
Example #1 Franck may have had a point. Example #2?
WTF?!?!
Not helping your case Franck dude. Investigating that guy is totes reasonable.
porcupines? Really?
I guess the punchline must be, “very carefully…”
Let’s try that one again. Here is a link to an article about the study.
animals ranging from chimpanzees to porcupines have been observed performing homosexual acts
I’m surprised to hear that porcupines are capable of any kind of sexual acts. I thought they reproduced by budding or something.
porcupines? Really?
I guess the punchline must be, “very carefully…”
Heh. Other studies indicate that transpecific (bestiality when we do it) sex is fairly common and that about 20% of species show evidence for cross species hybridization in the wild. Polar bear-grizzly crosses are the best known example right now, but we have cases of seals mating with penguins and I have a picture of a raccoon humping a dog on my office door.
OMFG. It really does continue to fall apart. Example three is even weaker sauce yet. Franck’s description of the situation:
The actual case?
Bow-chicka-bow-wow
Um, that was for Dr. Dick. DKW’s sleuthing is not funny…although it’s interesting.
“Natural Moral Law says that Morality must be a response to REALITY,”
Earthworms are real.
We might have been neighbors then, as I grew up in Bartlesville, about 15-20 miles south of the Kansas border.
I think we may have discussed this before–I’m from Parsons.
OT but cute:
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/cat_vs_internet
Aww, shit fuck damn. I blame myself for getting off the boat.
It’s a FUCKING CONSPIRACY!one! Consisting of Universities, the Roberts Supreme Court, the Southern Poverty Law Center, Leftsist blogs, Apple and $#*! My Dad Says.
Here is a link to interspecies hybids.
What sleuthing? High grade stupid on my part for clicking through. All quotes are either from Franck’s article or from things directly linked by it.
Always Trust The Shorter™. Why do I keep forgetting that?
I read it earlier and felt as if my eyes had been raped. What has been read cannot be unread.
One of the few memorable lines from The Abyss;
“Dude, you always think everything’s a conspiracy.”
“EVERYTHING IS!!!”
GOP’s got that answer down to a Pavlovian reflex.
I think we may have discussed this before–I’m from Parsons.
That’s right, I remember it now. About 75 miles away. The semester just ended and I am afraid my brain tends to turn to mush after grading all those pares and tests.
Earthworms
are realISRAEL.Always Trust The Shorter™. Why do I keep forgetting that?
My brain NEVER gets that mushy.
Other studies indicate that transpecific (bestiality when we do it) sex is fairly common and that about 20% of species show evidence for cross species hybridization in the wild.
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WHAT ABOUT THE
CHILDRENBONOBOS?FYWP with a gazilliion bonobo penii
…and I have a picture of a raccoon humping a dog on my office door.
What is your field again?
Charge: On the west coast, a state law school moves to marginalize a Christian student group that requires its members to pledge they will conform to orthodox Christian doctrines on sexual morality.
…
Reality: The CLS is not being forced to do anything, Hastings contends. “A group may abide by the school’s viewpoint-neutral open-membership policy and obtain the modest funding and benefits that go along with school recognition, or forgo recognition and do as it wishes,” it said in its brief.
Isn’t that just so typical? They want to secure for others a loss of real rights, then they turn around and cry discrimination when they don’t get special privileges.
Okay, on a much more important note, another early X-mas prezzie for me. This glass. It fits so nicely in my hand! Check me out, all hoity-toity with mah speshul drinkin’ glassware!
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Mallards really are sick fucks. They routinely commit rape (one of the few species to do so) and we have a documented case (on film) of homosexual necrophilia by a male mallard (Two males were on a rape flight and one flew into a window breaking its neck. The other male then landed next to its erstwhile companion and began having sex with the corpse. The window happened to belong to a Dutch ornithologist who captures it on video.)
What is your field again?
I am a cultural anthropologist, but I teach about sexuality in some of my classes and try to put human sexuality in perspective with other animals, especially the other primates. The picture, which I do not show in class, is in light of that. I do however show monkey porn in class. Well, actually bonobos and chimps engaged in a variety of nonreproductive sex acts.
Dear christian supremacist buttwipes,
I’ve been meaning to say this for some time now but alas, haven’t gotten around to it. I just wanted to let you know that word, persectution, does not mean what you think it means. You seem to be conflating loss of hegemony with the sort of things you’ve been doing, for the last couple millennia, to the rest of us. Knock that shit off, wipe the jizz off your chins and shut the fuck up.
Thank you,
The sane world
History will record this as my cue to hit the sack… buenas noches y’all.
Dear christian supremacist buttwipes,
I think I love you PM.
Uh, In a totes heterosexual way of course.
cases of seals mating with penguins
I’ve no problem w/ mammal-to-mammal humping, but seal/penguin? Actually mating, like w/ all the parts fitting, or just humping? (Rocky Raccoon, for example may be expressing dominance rather than lust on the Dr.’s door.)
Aw, I’m just being old fashioned; if they’re all chordates, it’s OK by me. But leave the non-spinal columned alone, you pervs.
NOT getting out of the boat on this one, thanks. The pondwater is too foetid here.
For M.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/h2g2/beta/approved_entry/A22547838/conversation/view/F7265215/T4162491
Actually, mostly because I couldn’t bear not to Google “interspecies octopous sex”
History will record this as my cue to hit the sack…
I sometimes have that affect on my students as well, though not when I show the monkey porn.
Actually mating, like w/ all the parts fitting, or just humping?
I am not certain, though the article I read (by a biologist) used the phrase “mating with”, which generally implies some “connection” if you will.
re: Seals humping penguins. Not from a biologist but
The penguin did not suffer any injury? Well other than hurt feelings and a lingering sense of inadequacy. Fortunatley that’s what big buckets of anchovy flavoured ice cream are for.
And these ads have, every single time I’ve seen them, misleading for-profit college astroturf ads.
Well other than hurt feelings and a lingering sense of inadequacy.
Might not even have had those if it hadn’t been for these bastards writing its story up and blabbing it all over hell.
Any appeal to “Natural Law” by patriarchal types to justify homophobia is doomed from the start.
Elephants are sodomizing ants? Truly, these are the End Days!
Elephants are sodomizing ants?
No! No! No!. The other way around. Ants are totally butch.
I think the point isn’t so much that the Natural Law claim is bullshit, which it totally is. I think the problem was that the guy was telling his students that fags were an abomination before God, an abberation that violated His will and the way things are supposed to work in REALITY.
Natural Law is not as good a stripper name as Penal Law.
Porcupine PENIS, since y’all were wondering.
Yes, it has spikes, or claws, or …
Natural Law is not as good a stripper name as Penal Law.
But her 46EEE’s are totally Natural! That’s the selling point! (i.e. epically pendulous sagging and areolas the size of dinner plates)
It got better.
The argument miight be made that the GOP’s fight against DADT or gay marriage contradicts this … but they were unusually quiet when Prop 8 was barbecued in the courts, & their last-gasp effort to keep DADT from dying reeked of playing to the knuckle-dragger base – I think they already knew it was dead meat the day Obama won.
Politically, they secretly LOVE having more progressive laws to froth at the mouth about, because defending “Family Values” from the dire threat of civilization makes a great distraction from the ugly little fact that the Republicans have been cynically conning born-agains for decades, siphoning off their money, energy & votes while giving them none of their core policy goals in return. Any good con-artist knows not to tinker with a scam that’s working – just wait until election time & crank up the Haet Wurlitzer: “GHEYZ! SOCIALISTS! MUZLINS! OOGABOOGA!“
That’s the selling point!
You need to buy higher-quality porn. Avoid titles with your mother as a cast member.
You need to buy higher-quality porn.
Man, if I had a nickel for every time I heard that line, I could afford some higher quality porn.
Yes, it has spikes, or claws, or …
As does a cat’s.
Suuuuuure gramps, buying porn. Yup.
Clearly a determined effort is afoot, in cultural bastions controlled by the left, to anathematize traditional views…
Heliocentrism was the Beer Hall Putsch of Liberal Fascism!
Look at the facts: they’ve already taken down such glorious old-timey traditions as animism, human sacrifice & the blood humor model of medicine! We’re through the rabbit-glass here, sheeple!
WON’T SOMEONE THINK OF
MOLOCHTHE CHILDREN????//?Suuuuuure gramps…
Gramps!?! Epically precocious Young Master __B is EPICALLY precocious.
There’s S_McG, throwing cold water all over everything. Again.
~
History will record this as my cue to hit the sack… buenas noches y’all.
Shorter Chris, after learning about racoon-on-dog sex:
I’ll be in my bunk.
Just the other day I ran across a thingy on teh intertr0nz which was pictures of all sorta interspecies humping. I tried to find the link but I’ve had several martinis and the Ho is on the east coast which sadz me and Bagoas is being a PITA and ….. sorry. I’ll get with it tomorrow. Maybe.
I have a picture of a raccoon humping a dog on my office door.
I’m probably too late to get an answer, but is it engraved in frosted glass or just painted onto a wooden door?
I’m hoping for carved in bas relief.
It is a picture taped on the door along with a bunch of others and a lot of quotes that I have to keep the students entertained while they are waiting in the hall for my colleague across the hall to show up half an hour late for their appointment. I put it in my “You’re doin’ it wrong section”.
A cautionary tale from the Bulgarian countryside: Choose your interspecies companions wisely.
I’m hoping for carved in bas relief.
If I was going to spring for bas relief carving, I would go for the bonobo orgy.
Just the other day I ran across a thingy on teh intertr0nz which was pictures of all sorta interspecies humping.
Uh, you been hitting the “furry” boards?
I’m probably too late to get an answer, but is it engraved in frosted glass or just painted onto a wooden door?
It’s the family coat of arms.
I can see
dead peoplecomments on the post, and Franck (hopefully, WaPo will post a rebuttal by Phranc) is being ripped to shreds.Dr. Dick, I was asking out of professional curiosity. I’m a glass engraver and if your door has a glass panel I’d be glad to offer a half-price deal on the ‘coon and dog scene– or the bonobos, for that matter.
Unfortunately bas relief is too far afield… at this point I just hope Actor doesn’t come along and start a bidding war by offering to etch the door for a pittance.
Enraged Bull Limpet –
I am afraid that my door is solid wood and that the university frowns on those sorts of structural alterations of the facilities.
Damn! Well, ya gotta attempt networking where you can in this economy…
I got ‘cher fighting cock right here.
And I am ashamed of you guys for not jumping on something so obvious. Jeezz.
Christ, I’m always late to the party.
POOP!
“I’m an ape man, I’m an ape ape man oh I’m an ape man…”
Christ, I’m always late to the party.
Well, some of us are still at work, in the midst of a yerba-mate fueled all-nighter.
a yerba-mate fueled all-nighter
Sounds like fun, or cheap thrills, but the work part spoils it.
But the Hedgehog can never be buggered at all.
Sounds like fun, or cheap thrills, but the work part spoils it.
The almost-full moon shining on my bucolic workplace has been lovely, though it’s pretty damn cold outside, and I suspect that I may have to do a “reset” of the HVAC system. I really can’t complain, though.
You’ll be up for the eclipse early Tues., then?
You’ll be up for the eclipse early Tues., then?
Most definitely… this is another stretch in which I get my ass kicked by work.
Uh, how are you holding up with all the rain, old chum?
But the Hedgehog can never be buggered at all.
A determined pervert with clippers and will,
Can denude the hedgehog of protective quill.
The hedgehog’s deprived of its natural defenses,
The pervert’s victorious, the buggering commences.
To molest a porcupine
Is often a thought of mine
Though I feel I would rather go
And network with a bonobo
As the position (expeditionary)
Is generally missionary.
Damn straight! I’ll show ’em good and all, I got man parts!
Well, the name “Jayne Cobb” in the last post was supposed to be striked, but WP is a bitch, ergo… yeah.
Meanwhile, PJM still doesn’t have anything up commenting on DADT – something gloating on DREAM, something else gloating about census data, and a few more things weeping and gnashing teeth about how libs don’t care about Iranians and how mean Obama is and how Palin’s better than he is cause she’s a Christian and he’s a Marxist… But not a peep out of them on DADT!
What’s the matter, dearies? Cat got your tongue?
What’s the matter, dearies? Cat got your tongue?
They’re all over at Jeff Gannon’s place, making the proverbial butthurt concrete.
Cat got your tongue?
Even someone as unhip as me knows the cat is supposed to be fellating you, not the other way around.
Even someone as unhip as me knows the cat is supposed to be fellating you, not the other way around.
That National Geographic video was the clincher!
For some reason, listening to Tommy at this moment in politics seems apropos:
You don’t answer my call with even a nod or a wink
But you gaze at your own reflection all right
You don’t seem to see me
But I think you can see yourself
How can that mirror affect you?
Wow, sixteen hours on the job and I’m not hallucinating… good night, good people!
I’m not hallucinating…
Okay.
good people
Yeah, right.
The Shrill One is concerned about Zombies this morning.
Nice.
You know what else would fit nicely in your hand(s)?
I know, right?
I grow more and more concerned about the welfare of little _B.
You know what else would fit nicely in your hand(s)?
Yes, but where am I going to find a miniature naitivity scene and an iguana that can make the Godzilla screeching noise?
That’s right, I remember it now. About 75 miles away. The semester just ended and I am afraid my brain tends to turn to mush after grading all those pares and tests.
That’s cool. I couldn’t remember if I had talked to you or not, although it would be a strange coincidence if there was *another* person from Bartlesville around these parts.
Y’know, I could’ve gone my whole life without knowing about mallard necrophilia…
Tintin, that is without a doubt the single biggest insult Yogi has ever indured! Take your underwear off your head and apologize!
Tintin, that is without a doubt the single biggest insult Yogi has ever indured!
I guess you haven’t seen the new movie yet.
What’s the matter, dearies? Cat got your tongue?
Don’t ask, don’t tell, man.
I guess you haven’t seen the new movie yet.
Yer mom was fluffer, it wasn’t that bad for him.
Whenever I see one of those wooden mallards in someone’s study, I’m gonna have to repress a shudder.
Despite the Big Bad Bald Bastard’s vision of Big Bad Bald Hedgehogs, I still cintend that:
But the Hedgehog can never be buggered at all.
Heh-my songs bigger.
Or contend as the case may be.
Whenever I see one of those wooden mallards in someone’s study, I’m gonna have to repress a shudder.
Great! I go into hiding for a few days and now we can’t fuck a duck????
What I was trying to say there was, two .NE. a dozen or so, not even for large values of two.
Oh no! An old COBOL reference!
An old COBOL reference!
Like there could be a *new* COBOL reference??? That’s like saying “an old Sumerian reference”…
Great! I go into hiding for a few days and now we can’t fuck a duck????
You can still go fuck a duck Actor, just not a dead duck.
You can still go fuck a duck Actor, just not a dead duck.
*whew*
I have a date tonight.
When has my revulsion with your mating habits ever stopped you before, actor?
You can still go fuck a duck Actor, just not a dead duck.
Still…I blame Obamacare for limiting my choices on whether I can have sex with a non-living person of the Anatidae race.
Fucking death panels….how do they work?
When has my revulsion with your mating habits ever stopped you before, actor?
I think it was when you started screaming for help.
BONUS: she doesn’t wear pants
BONUS: she doesn’t wear pants
That whore gave me a yeast infection.
Are their panels on how to fuck death? I don’t think he’s very hot.
there. Ugh. I blame iPhone. Even though I’m on my computer.
Even someone as unhip as me knows the cat is supposed to be fellating you, not the other way around.
Oh, I guess I completely misunderstood the term “eating pussy.” Allthough I never heard the cat purr quite like that before.
Oh, I guess I completely misunderstood the term “eating pussy.”
In Mother Russia, pussy eat you!
Are their panels on how to fuck death?
Since you expressed interest, here’s a website
Since you expressed interest, here’s a website
Fun Fact: The letter addressed to Death contains the actual address of defense contractor Lockheed Martin Corporation.
Years ago I read a SciFi short story cautioning against interspecies sex. An alien race of disgusting little gelatinous blob creatures arrived on earth and promptly attached themselves to sex organs of virtually every creature on the planet. The sex was so amazingly wonderful that all other activity stopped and almost all the creatures of earth wasted away with a big smile on their face. The only things that survived were the cockroaches as they were too gross and ugly for the alien creatures.
This gives me an excuse to link to this, which made me giggle. Jessica Alba’s in it. Mother Nature is no socioalest, cuz I think that bitch gave Jessica a few extra doses of hotness. Seriously, looking at her is like looking at the sun.
Seriously, looking at her is like looking at the sun.
Doing it too much will make you go blind?
Somethin’ like that. I mean, I don’t swing that way, but if anyone could make me turn, it’s her. GodDAYUM.
The sex was so amazingly wonderful that all other activity stopped and almost all the creatures of earth wasted away with a big smile on their face.
Sounds like a typical Friday night at Chez212…
Even someone as unhip as me knows the cat is supposed to be fellating you, not the other way around.
A little piece of sandpaper works as a substitute. I hear.
A little piece of sandpaper works as a substitute. I hear.
So does a wet wool sock.
I mean, I’ve been told.
I blame the repeal of DADT for this.
Shorter Ross Douthat:
Christians hate Christmas. Or love it. I’m not sure. Here’s some books to read
I put it in my “You’re doin’ it wrong section”.
Hater!
This made me think of here.
Shorter Ross Douthat:
Actually actor, PM pre-butted the fuck outta Doohead’s column last night.
“Oh no! An old COBOL reference!”
Sorry but no, it’s FORTRAN.
Shorter Ross Douthat:
Materialism overshadows piety at Christmas, so here are some ideas for gifts to buy.
Now why one earth would those anti-gay organizations get branded as Hate Groups?
http://www.goodasyou.org/good_as_you/2010/keep-talking-about-splc-kiddies-we-love-bearing-actual-witness.html
The conclusion to Douthat’s article:
Shouldn’t that be 2010 years ago this week?
Shouldn’t that be 2010 years ago this week?
He subtracted his toes.
Well, it all starts with the whole Romans persecuting the Christians tale. The reality is that the Romans were very tolerant of different religions. The only concession was that you had to pay lip service to the religion favored by the current leader, otherwise you could pretty much worship as you wished. The “martyrs” weren’t thrown to the lions so much for being Christian as they were for insisting that everyone else be too. Some things never change.
OT- Fuck Jon Kyl. What an unctuous prick:
I hope he falls down a flight of stairs.
He subtracted his toes.
And he had to use all his fingers in order in order to count his toes.
The only concession was that you had to pay lip service to the religion favored by the current leader, otherwise you could pretty much worship as you wished. The “martyrs” weren’t thrown to the lions so much for being Christian as they were for insisting that everyone else be too.
That’s a bit of a stretch. That’s like saying blacks were lynched not for being black but insisting everyone else be black too.
I am reminded of the wisdom imparted to me years ago.
As portrayed in Paul Morrisseys 1973 film ……. starring Udo Kier and Arno Juerging
If you’re fucking life in the gallbladder, you’re either doin it rong or you’re hung like
mea horse.Hey…I’m about to eat some Taco Bell. It’s prolly gonna destroy my insidey parts and kill me. So I just wanted to say it’s been a pleasure posting with you all…
BTW, does this make me an unfit parent?
“That’s a bit of a stretch. That’s like saying blacks were lynched not for being black but insisting everyone else be black too.”
Awshit. You would have to say something liKe that. No, it’s not like that at all. As I understand it the early christian supremacists insisted that they could not pay lip service because the gods of the empire were false gods. It was their refusal to say hey we can agree to disagree that drove them to confront the state officials.
Yeah, um, I’m just going to stand over here in the corner…
The American people, a tolerant bunch
He clearly has not met Sarah Palin…
As I understand it the early christian supremacists insisted that they could not pay lip service because the gods of the empire were false gods.
Except, you know, the persecution began long before the days when Christians prayed to be martyred, Poopy
According to contemporary historian Tacitus, Nero blamed them for the burning of Rome (much like we hold all Muslims accountable for terrorism) and Suetonius also remarks that Nero persecuted Christians for no apparent good reason.
In fact, it wasn’t until after the mass slaughters by Diocletian that Christians provoked the whole martyrdom trope and by then, who could blame them?
Even the smores are political.
I can’t even get thru the first comment. Needless to say, michelle’s excursus AR simply a cynical way to ensure that obamacare works. Not, ya know, a way to make sure future generations don’t keel over from a heart attack at 35.
Yes, because being pro-fistulae and (pre)-teen maternal deaths is totes pro-life.
EFFORTS ARE
fuck you, iphone
so, we get this: Yes, because being pro-fistulae and (pre)-teen maternal deaths is totes pro-life. (T & U’s link)
and this (from the comments at Gay Patriot): Also, facilitating a hook-up between a 16 year old boy and an older man is disgusting. I don’t care what the law says. It’s not the sort of thing that should be applauded.
it is no wonder i has a confoozed…
Sarah Palin, Secretary of S’more Defense.
According to contemporary historian Tacitus, Nero blamed them for the burning of Rome (much like we hold all Muslims accountable for terrorism) and Suetonius also remarks that Nero persecuted Christians for no apparent good reason.
Yes, there’s always politics involved in religion isn’t there. However, it was still the Christians often militant insistence that theirs was the “one true God” that brought the ire of the Romans. They insisted that all the other gods were false gods and that upset a lot of people. When the Christians gained enough power, they had no problem throwing people to the lions either. They just don’t call the people they threw to the lions martyrs. I believe the non-Christians had a term for the whole police, it was something like IOKIYAC.
Commenter at the NR site: Palin has an instinct for the enemy’s weak point. If there’s another major political figure lampooning the Childhood Obesity overreach I’ve missed it. She sees targets of opportunity the others miss and she hits them, sqauarely and hard. She almost got lost in the themeless pudding of the McCain campaign, but anyone who can’t see this woman’s rare talent is willfully blind.
In other words, no other politician is mean, nasty and petty enough to stoop this low, but Sarah Palin has no shame.
policepolicy.Caring about childhood obesity is a weak point? LOLWUT?!
Well, not quite.
But if what’s being described here is accurate (I’m not expert on the Christianziation of Rome), I think I’m with actor on this one. Why would you be required to pay “lip service” to the Emperor’s religion in the first place?
The closest analogy I can think of is… it’s like making the Pledge of Allegiance compulsory, and when some people refuse to say it, throw the death penalty at them. Overreaction much?
The closest analogy I can think of is… it’s like making the Pledge of Allegiance compulsory, and when some people refuse to say it, throw the death penalty at them. Overreaction much?
This is probably close, but the death penalty didn’t come until those people started started shouting down the ones that were saying it.
“Yes, but where am I going to find a miniature naitivity scene and an iguana that can make the Godzilla screeching noise?”
I was thinking of something warmer and softer, but, hey, whatever floats your boat.
Yeah, Jessica’s a megababe, all right. She even had me watching that TV show of hers (Black Angel?) for awhile, and scifi is not my thing at all.
Their piety is overshadowed by materialist ticky-tack. Their great feast is compromised by Christmukkwanzaa multiculturalism. And the once-a-year churchgoers crowding the pews beside them are a reminder of how many Americans regard religion as just another form of midwinter entertainment, wedged in between “The Nutcracker” and “Miracle on 34th Street.”
i would like to know what church ross attends, it sounds so warm and inviting…
Again; they were killed because they were obnoxious? C’mon now. Plenty of people disrespect my religion (or lack thereof, or confusion thereunto), but if someone started killing them because of it, I think I know where my sympathies would lie.
Well, yes – and that was just the beginning, there’s two thousand years of oppression by Christians that come next. That hardly proves that the persecution of Christians was a “tale.” It just proves Christian and Roman authorities were both persecution-prone douchenozzles.
I must admit I missed the first lady’s legal decree banning desserts. Because there’s no way they’re bitching because she merely suggested overweight people should consider skipping dessert now and then, right?
“Yeah, Jessica’s a megababe, all right. She even had me watching that TV show of hers (Black Angel?) for awhile, and scifi is not my thing at all.”
The power of Jessica compels you.
Then the analogy is more like Republicans being assholes as townhall meetings… in which case killing them would still be a massive overreaction and the word “persecution” arguably very applicable (depending on how the sentences/backlash are carried out).
Tigris must report to the FEMA camps immediately.
Just the other day I ran across a thingy on teh intertr0nz which was pictures of all sorta interspecies humping
Ricky Gervais has a great bit about gay animal humping…complete with pics…
Again; they were killed because they were obnoxious?
No, they were killed because they undermined the current authority and fomented political unrest. I’m not defending the Romans here either, I’m just saying that the Christians only tell one side of the story with plenty of their own spin.
Subs: I’ll follow the trail of cookie crumbs to find it.
I was thinking of something warmer and softer, but, hey, whatever floats your boat.
Oh. Did you mean BOOBIES? Because, BOOBIES!
Well, I can’t type and I can’t tag, but at least I can start great religious debates. So with that accomplishment under my belt… I’m going to lunch now.
“Oh. Did you mean BOOBIES? Because, BOOBIES!”
I’m relieved you said that! Now I finally have some place to send all these pictures of my breasts.
BOOBIES!
For anyone interested: I posted my comments about the Reinstate-The-Draft discussion. They are at the end of the “Another Shocker…” thread.
I’m going back to lurking at SN! for a while. When I join in commentary again–and eventually I will–I’ll be back as Snidely Whiplash again.
Have fun.
That’s a bit of a stretch. That’s like saying blacks were lynched not for being black but insisting everyone else be black too.
As I understood it, they were persecuted for not participating in the state religion. They didn’t want to revere the emperor as a god or make the regular (pagan) municipal sacrifices, and they got a starring role in the matinee at the coliseum.
As I understood it, they were persecuted for not participating in the state religion.
Yeaaaaaaaaaaa, no. That’s not the case. It may have become the case, but I leave it to you to Google.
sigh, that’s what I get for not refreshing before I post to a thread.
According to this excerpt from Wikipedia( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_early_Christians_in_the_Roman_Empire ), I don’t think my summary is too far off.
The Roman disdain for Christianity, then, arose in large part from its sense that it was bad for society. In the 3rd century, the Neoplatonist philosopher Porphyry wrote:
How can people not be in every way impious and atheistic who have apostatized from the customs of our ancestors through which every nation and city is sustained? … What else are they than fighters against God? [7]
As Porphyry’s argument indicates, hatred of Christians also arose from the belief that proper “piety” to the Roman gods helped to sustain the well-being of the cities and their people. Though much of the Roman religion was utilitarian, it was also heavily motivated by the pagan sense that bad things will happen if the gods are not respected and worshiped properly. “Many pagans held that the neglect of the old gods who had made Rome strong was responsible for the disasters which were overtaking the Mediterranean world.”[citation needed] This perspective would surface again in the 5th century, when the destruction of Rome caused many to worry that the gods were angry at the Empire’s new allegiance to Christianity. Saint Augustine’s opus The City of God argued against this view.
Well, kid, it sure ain’t barbecued chicken. But a Manwich *is* a meal.
“Many pagans held that the neglect of the old gods who had made Rome strong was responsible for the disasters which were overtaking the Mediterranean world.”
Oralis Robertus, Jerri Felixculpa, and Pat Filiusroberti, no doubt.
Oralis Robertus, Jerri Felixculpa, and Pat Filiusroberti, no doubt.
Where does Bigus Dickus fit in here?
77,
Yea, except you read the wrong article.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians
Persecution under Nero, 64-68 AD
The first documented case of imperially supervised persecution of the Christians in the Roman Empire begins with Nero (37-68). In 64 AD, a great fire broke out in Rome, destroying portions of the city and economically devastating the Roman population. Nero himself was suspected as the arsonist by Suetonius,[8] claiming he played the lyre and sang the ‘Sack of Ilium’ during the fires. In his Annals, Tacitus (who claimed Nero was in Antium at the time of the fire’s outbreak), stated that “to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians [or Chrestians[9]] by the populace” (Tacit. Annals XV, see Tacitus on Jesus). Suetonius, later to the period, does not mention any persecution after the fire, but in a previous paragraph unrelated to the fire, mentions punishments inflicted on Christians, defined as men following a new and malefic superstition. Suetonius however does not specify the reasons for the punishment, he just listed the fact together with other abuses put down by Nero.[10]
Persecution from the 2nd century to Constantine
By the mid-2nd century, mobs could be found willing to throw stones at Christians, and they might be mobilized by rival sects. The Persecution in Lyon was preceded by mob violence, including assaults, robberies and stonings (Eusebius, Ecclesiastical History 5.1.7).
Further state persecutions were desultory until the 3rd century, though Tertullian’s Apologeticus of 197 was ostensibly written in defense of persecuted Christians and addressed to Roman governors.[11] The “edict of Septimius Severus” familiar in Christian history is doubted by some secular historians to have existed outside Christian martyrology.
The first documentable Empire-wide persecution took place under Maximinus Thrax, though only the clergy were sought out. It was not until Decius during the mid-century that a persecution of Christian laity across the Empire took place. Christian sources aver that a decree was issued requiring public sacrifice, a formality equivalent to a testimonial of allegiance to the Emperor and the established order. Decius authorized roving commissions visiting the cities and villages to supervise the execution of the sacrifices and to deliver written certificates to all citizens who performed them. Christians were often given opportunities to avoid further punishment by publicly offering sacrifices or burning incense to Roman gods, and were accused by the Romans of impiety when they refused. Refusal was punished by arrest, imprisonment, torture, and executions. Christians fled to safe havens in the countryside and some purchased their certificates, called libelli. Several councils held at Carthage debated the extent to which the community should accept these lapsed Christians.
Some early Christians sought out and welcomed martyrdom. Roman authorities tried hard to avoid Christians because they “goaded, chided, belittled and insulted the crowds until they demanded their death.” According to Droge and Tabor, “in 185 the proconsul of Asia, Arrius Antoninus, was approached by a group of Christians demanding to be executed. The proconsul obliged some of them and then sent the rest away, saying that if they wanted to kill themselves there was plenty of rope available or cliffs they could jump off.”[12] Such seeking after death is found in Tertullian’s Scorpiace or in the letters of Saint Ignatius of Antioch but was certainly not the only view of martyrdom in the Christian church. Both Polycarp and Cyprian, bishops in Smyrna and Carthage respectively, attempted to avoid martyrdom.
The Great Persecution
The persecutions culminated with Diocletian and Galerius at the end of the third and beginning of the 4th century. The Great Persecution is considered the largest. Beginning with a series of four edicts banning Christian practices and ordering the imprisonment of Christian clergy, the persecution intensified until all Christians in the empire were commanded to sacrifice to the gods or face immediate execution. Over 20,000 Christians are thought to have died during Diocletian’s reign. However, as Diocletian zealously persecuted Christians in the Eastern part of the empire, his co-emperors in the West did not follow the edicts and so Christians in Gaul, Spain, and Britannia were virtually unmolested.
This persecution lasted, until Constantine I came to power in 313 and legalized Christianity. It was not until Theodosius I in the later 4th century that Christianity would become the official religion of the Empire. Between these two events Julian II temporarily restored the traditional Roman religion and established broad religious tolerance renewing Pagan and Christian hostilities.
The conditions under which martyrdom was an acceptable fate or under which it was suicidally embraced occupied writers of the early Christian Church. Broadly speaking, martyrs were considered uniquely exemplary of the Christian faith, and few early saints were not also martyrs.
The New Catholic Encyclopedia states that “Ancient, medieval and early modern hagiographers were inclined to exaggerate the number of martyrs. Since the title of martyr is the highest title to which a Christian can aspire, this tendency is natural”. Estimates of Christians killed for religious reasons before the year 313 vary greatly, depending on the scholar quoted, from a high of almost 100,000 to a low of 10,000.
Porphyry writes in the 3rd Century, two centuries after Christians had been persecuted, a hundred years after the initial slaughters, and was probably writing a “justification” of the atrocities committed.
Fucking tags, how do they work?
Three comments.
I thought Nero playing the fiddle while Rome burned had been proven to be a myth? Don’t know by who or how, but I do seem to recall…
Oddly enough, the image this conjures up in my head is that of suicidal Mel Gibson in the first Lethal Weapon movie. Specially the scene at the Christmas tree farm drug bust where he’s just yelling for shots to be fired. And it’s Mel Gibson, so that’s oddly appropriate!
Oy, vey. This is why I always thought the much maligned concept of taqiyya (permission for a Muslim to hide his faith to avoid persecution, which the right wing predictably turns into “ZOMG there’s secret Muslins all around us! WITCH HUNT Y’ALL!!!) made a lot of sense. Lapsed Christians? It was that or death, and not everyone’s willing to sacrifice their entire family to the Almighty.
Oh yes, also;
If anyone’s interested, there’s a 200-comment thread over at Balloon Juice which started out as a discussion of the relationship between the welfare state and religion, and actually had a shit ton of really insightful and well written comments…
Until the end, when it degenerates into an all-out religious war. Cheers!
I missed the first lady’s legal decree banning desserts.
They’ll get my dessert when they pry it from my chubby, sticky fingers.
“Where does Bigus Dickus fit in here?”
You’re definitely not Catholic. Ask the Pope.