DA!?!?!?!

A bootleg video????

Cuz when you click tha UToob, a notiss come up, playah, sayin’ they be a bran noo fisshul vid-dee-oh, homes!

Since this is the hot new single, I think we should refer to the coming autumn as the “Fuck You Fall”.

Won’t someone think of Brent Bozell’s children?

“Fuck You” is the new black.

Won’t someone think of Brent Bozell’s children?

GOD no.

Won’t someone think of Brent Bozell’s children?

Assumes facts not in evidence.

Can’t get this song outta my head! I checked it out right away when I heard it was causing wing nut head explosions. Sadly, wing nut head explosions do not lead to death.

boc

Pro eugenics comments belong in the last thread. Pay attention next time Malaclypse mkay.

Insert “Won’t someone think of Brent Bozell’s children?” in above comment. Pay attention next time gocart.

The funniest thing about this song is the retro-vibe. With some lyrical changes, it could be played on any “oldies” station… is there a DJ out there with a wicked sense of humor and no desire for career longevity?

Zappa was first.

gocart mozart said,

September 7, 2010 at 21:40

Pro eugenics comments belong in the last thread. Pay attention next time Malaclypse mkay.

gocart mozart said,

September 7, 2010 at 21:41

Insert “Won’t someone think of Brent Bozell’s children?” in above comment. Pay attention next time gocart.

This may be the funniest exchange I’ve read all day.

is there a DJ out there with a wicked sense of humor and no desire for career longevity?

Not with the FCC handing out fines like lollipops.

I thought Harry Nilsson was dead.

Zappa was first.

not to start another squabble with you Willy, but I think Nilsson went there before Zappa.

not to start another squabble with you Willy, but I think Nilsson went there before Zappa.

That would depend on which direction you played their records. Zappa backed masked “fucking” in 1968’s Hot Poop.

Hmmph. Nilsson actually got airplay though.
Bleeped, but airplay none the less.

Ooh. thread hangover nymfail.

Our work is done. Western Civilization has collapsed under its own weight of vulgarity. Ha ha, reactionaries.

Nilsson Shmilsson.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/church-vows-to-burn-koran-on-911-anniversary-20100908-14zw0.html?from=smh_sb

Thanks Willy for the Zappa distraction and . . .

We have a very special dedication going out from Our Lord Jesus Christ to Terry Jones the fuck behind burn a Koran day. Take it away Frank.

don’t really get the appeal of this track. just bores me. plus if he really loved the chick he’d just go out and make some money instead of all the kvetching.

&c.

Frank is God and this is genius.

“With a Klu Klux muu-muu in the back of the truck,
If you aint born again they wanna mess you up.
Screamin’ No Abortion no siree!
Life’s too precious can’t you see.
What’s that hanging from the neighbors tree?
Well it looks like coloured folks to me.”

Won’t someone think of Brent Bozell’s children?

Too late. He already ate them.

Fuck you I won’t do what you tell me!

Not first, but lotsa gratuitous fucks. Plus a pretty awesome anthem for those of us on the verge of …doing something stupid.

Frank is God and this is genius.

+1

Comment on that RATM video:

by disliking this your admitting to fisting sheep?

Wise is this soul.

herr herbert: I admit, it’s catchy, retro, and oh-so-risque! But yeah, the entitled attitude is annoying.

No tsam, I won’t do what you tell me. I won’t click your link, Ugh!

Cee-Lo Green is the Soul Machine

Go find the album of that name. It’s terrific.

A couple of summers ago, I was sitting on the porch of my Union Park (Chicago) house and heard some music coming from the park that’s a few blocks away. Me and the dog walked over to take a look and we got to see Gnarls Barkley (this was before “Crazy” was a huge hit) who were playing at the Pitchfork Hipster Consumption Festival. They were so soulful, with Cee-Lo and Mouse dressed in tennis whites and rocking the house. All the goateed and inked hipsters were trying to figure out whether or not Gnarls was cool or not, what with them being black and all, but man they put a shake in my step that night.

The Iraq war paid for itself.

No tsam, I won’t do what you tell me. I won’t click your link, Ugh!

Yer sposed to say FUCK YOU I won’t do what you tell me. Civility is not allowed in RATM zone.

The Iraq war paid for itself.

But Saddom and they flyed planes in are biuldings!

It’s catchy. I hope it’s played at a lot of weddings this fall.

Speaking of Frank/God, he is the most underated guitarist in rock & roll. An anectdote about this clip: My Italian uncle was driving us through the countryside near Rome in ’82, I was 17, and we stumbled across this outdoor concert during this SONG! I thought ‘awesome, Zappa! and we can see the big screen from the street woot! woot!” My uncle was like ‘stupid rock music’ and kept driving. He blows Steve Vai away. Clip = competing guitar solos.

Stoopit Uncle!
~

“The Iraq war paid for itself”

I agree.

Speaking of Frank/God, he is the most underated guitarist in rock & roll. An anectdote about this clip: My Italian uncle was driving us through the countryside near Rome in ’82, I was 17, and we stumbled across this outdoor concert during this SONG! I thought ‘awesome, Zappa! and we can see the big screen from the street woot! woot!” My uncle was like ‘stupid rock music’ and kept driving. He blows Steve Vai away. Clip = competing guitar solos.

Among guitar players, he’s not underrated. When they talk about melodic (vs. noodling/masturbation) soloing, Zappa is the cornerstone of the entire discipline. The problem with rating guitarists next to each other is that the focus is on technical skill–ie; How quickly can you rip out a 3 octave Dorian scale instead of how do you move the listener, compliment the song, etc…
I play guitar, and have played in bands, and respect the art. I can’t play the shit Eddie Van Halen plays because I would never want or need to. Actually it’s more like won’t play that stuff.

Stoopit Uncle!

My mom and little siblings were also in the car so I did not have a controlling interest in the situation.

O.K. I am Iran! Gigs up. Obama Akbar! Assholes!

But Saddom and they flyed planes in are biuldings!

And and and WMD! In trailers! and drones!

And such as:

When they talk about melodic (vs. noodling/masturbation) soloing…

Embarrassing confession time: When I hear Coltrane on Giant Steps, I hear self indulgent masturbation. I know: blasphemy, but I can’t help myself.

Also, too: colon abuse is rampant in this post. Speaking of which, I’m up (heh) for my 5-year colonoscopy and those of you over 50 need to get in and get it done too. I lost a brother to colorectal cancer so you could say I have skin in the game. Take care of yourselves!

Embarrassing confession time: When I hear Coltrane on Giant Steps, I hear self indulgent masturbation. I know: blasphemy, but I can’t help myself.

Yeah, me too…I readily admit it’s me, not him. Mah brane just doesn’t get it.

And I second WC’s encouragement for old people to get their butts checked.

gocart mozart said,

O.K. I am Iran! Gigs up. Obama Akbar! Assholes!

Bust Ted!
~

Obama will give a speech on 9/11 at the Pentagon, which is totally wrong because that’s where he flew that plane into.

Embarrassing confession time: When I hear Coltrane on Giant Steps, I hear self indulgent masturbation. I know: blasphemy, but I can’t help myself.

Yeah, me too…I readily admit it’s me, not him. Mah brane just doesn’t get it.

I had to Youtube this. This is jazz, which is largely made up of masturbation. The sheet music says ” SOLO ” for however many bars your turn lasts. Masturbation, maybe, but it’s what they do. I like this song. It’s certainly no worse than a typical opera. Except for that Elmer Fudd/Buggs Bunny one.

“Among guitar players, he’s not underrated. When they talk about melodic (vs. noodling/masturbation) soloing, Zappa is the cornerstone of the entire discipline.”

I agree tsam, I meant underated among the media and public. I am sure that he has a lot of respect among guitarists

Funny thing, I was thinking earlier, ‘who is the most overated guitarist?’ and my first thought was EVH but then I thought again and now I would say Ted Nugent. EVH is a B+ axe player who many think is A+, “The Nuge’ is a C- player who many think is B. He is 10 times the guitar player that he is a political analyst by the way, also.
[admission: gocart can’t play guitar]

I second WC’s encouragement for old people to get their butts checked.

I will also add my voice to the bunghole camera chorus. Lost grandma to colon cancer and have been rejoicing at the advances in fiberoptics and such making for narrower instrumentation.

I get my prostate exams for dirt cheap from this guy who works out of an alley. He says I’m all good.

“Obama will give a speech on 9/11 at the Pentagon.”

THE PENTAGON HAS A MOSQUE!! WHY DOES THE OBAMBI LOVE THE TERRORISTS ?!

I get my prostate exams for dirt cheap from this guy who works out of an alley.

That’s not a camera.

Even if it does have a fish-eye.

This is jazz, which is largely made up of masturbation.

Well, yeah, but when I say stuff like that, people look at me like I’m a complete dumbass who needs to wear a drool bib.

The song’s a bit gimmicky, and considering the possibilities of type animation the video really seems like a missed opportunity. Still, it’s good enough that I’ll probably forget it and some twats could really do without all the swearing so whatever.

“SO MUCH DROOL WE WILL HAVE TO BULID AN ARK.”

F. ZAPPA

see link above

If a solo in jazz, blues, or rock is done right, I have no idea why this would be considered ‘self-indulgent’ in any sort of negative fashion. Certainly there have been many shitty solos.

Also, when Trane was playing with Miles, he was teh awesome. He’d take 8 bars and play the expected solo, then launch into his own fucking world. Listen to him on just about any track on Kind of Blue and you’ll see what I mean.

On Giant Steps, the album, Trane goes into these extended solos (hundreds of bars? dunno but they’re long) and I just fall asleep. Again, I fully raise my hand to admit to Philistine status but I really think Coltrane needed somebody to keep him in line.

I was about to launch into a diatribe on how it’s ruined sax in jazz ever since but I think I may already have said too much.

Y’know, I should just shut up. I said Giant Steps but I meant A Love Supreme. I am a idiot. Hahahahaha-ha

I agree tsam, I meant underated among the media and public. I am sure that he has a lot of respect among guitarists

Media, public, critics, they really don’t know shit. It wakes you up to hear somebody hammering 64th notes in some progression, and I get a little stunned by it too. But that shit should never be mistaken for good. I can practice hammering like that for a week and play just about any of it. That certainly doesn’t make me a better player.

You know who are a hugely underrated guitar players? The other Young brother from AC/DC. Dave Navarro (Jane’s Addiction). Daniel Ash (Bauhaus/Love and Rockets), Mark Knoppfler (sic? Dire Straits), guys like that. There are thousands of them out there.

I agree about Nugent. Not only is he a mediocre player, he is a fucking shit of a person who just got busted baiting game animals. Fucking nancy-boy.

A good guitar player doesn’t stand out in a song at all, until you come to that part where you’re listening and go “GOD I LOVE THIS PART”. It could be a simple little riff or hook, but it’s the right thing at the right time and that’s good. Skills and precision are necessary, but good is a measure of the end result.

I hope this doesn’t come off as a bitchy lecture–I certainly don’t mean it that way at all. This is just a bit of a sore spot for me–I’ve been “not selected” for bands because I refuse to do this shit, and way too many people equate flashy and loud with good.

That’s not a camera.

Oh. Shit.

many people equate flashy and loud with good.

Wait, what are you trying to say here?

ooo.
Thx 4 that!
my new all time favorite.

Thanks for your thoughts tsam.

Colonoscopy, Philip Jose Farmer style.

Heh.

This is jazz, which is largely made up of masturbation.

Well, yeah, but when I say stuff like that, people look at me like I’m a complete dumbass who needs to wear a drool bib.

Well, make such a broad, sweeping generalization about an incredibly rich and diverse genre of music, and you might get those responses, particularly from people who actually listen to the music. Count Basie, Kid Ory, Louis Armstrong, Charles Mingus, Glenn Miller…there’s more to jazz than bop-derived stuff.

Not directed at you or tsam, who made the original comment, necessarily, just a general pet peeve of mine, sort of like when people say “rap isn’t music” or “new country sucks” when you know they don’t actually listen to it. Seriously, though, Duke Ellington at Carnegie Hall is masturbatory? Really?

And Frank Zappa was awesome, but I bet he was a bear to work for.

And Frank Zappa was awesome, but I bet he was a bear to work for.

Yeah, I can imagine. As far as I can tell (Philistine, remember?), his compositions were incredibly complex and his musicians were all verrrry capable. It’s a good bet they were expected to play exactly what was on the score.

Oh, and Malcolm Young is an awesome guitar player. Every time you hear someone do an AC/DC song and the band isn’t actually AC/DC, it sounds like shit. Why? Because everyone is concentrating on getting the screechy Bon Scott-vocals (which is wrong, as Scott was more a white soul singer) or doing a proper Angus. The real power of AC/DC comes from Malcolm, bassist Cliff Williams and drummer Phil Rudd. In other words, the rhythm section makes it swing and the swing makes them awesome. It’s also why Van Halen sucks once you get past the guitar pyrotechnics and big-dick posturing: the dullest rhythm section in rock music.

Also underrated guitarist: Mike Campbell from Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers. Guy’s awesome.

Not directed at you or tsam, who made the original comment, necessarily, just a general pet peeve of mine, sort of like when people say “rap isn’t music” or “new country sucks” when you know they don’t actually listen to it. Seriously, though, Duke Ellington at Carnegie Hall is masturbatory? Really?

No–that was a poorly worded way of saying that jazz DOES that. Backbeat rolls throughout, and melody instruments take turns soloing. (At least that’s very common in jazz). One thing is sure, only the best, most diverse and accomplished musicians are any good at jazz. They’re my favorite drummers. I say this as someone who played the trumpet in a jazz band so that I could masturbate instead of playing another fucking Sousa march. Either way, my total bad for sounding dismissive and generalizing. That wasn’t my intention.

And I use the word “awesome” an awful lot, especially for a 35 year old. Still, when you’re talking rock guitarists, no other word really fits.

Also awesome and unheralded: Al Anderson of NRBQ.

tsam,
No worries. I’m bad to do the same thing myself from time to time. And it is true that the jazz format does lead to plenty of wanking room and only the tip-top can pull off the improv thing. Most soloing in any genre is, for the most part, totally unnecessary, in my opinion.

Especially bass soloing. God, I hate that. Except for Mingus, naturally.

Anyhow, gonna go drink brew-pub beer and quite possibly hear some jazz solo wank its way around looking for a melody. Ah, New Orleans.

his compositions were incredibly complex and his musicians were all verrrry capable.

Oh doG…Unequivocal yes and yes.

Also awesome and unheralded: Al Anderson of NRBQ.

Generally speaking, the most awesome are totally unheralded. It’s a sad fact. But shiny, flashy and loud things grab our attention, and are often mistaken for awesome–which is not to say they aren’t, but one does not equal the other.

And I’m way jealous that you’re going out in NOLA. Enjoy!

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1940830

FZ: Different guy after being knocked from the stage in London in ’71.

And cheap. Resented the American Federation of Musicians (Not a completely incorrect position, mind you.) paying triple-scale, stuff like that.

Ah, New Orleans.

Ah indeed. I just found out I don’t get to go to the conference in N.O. that I thought I was going to get to go to, goddammit.

So have an extra beer and listen to an extra wank-solo for me, eh?

What M.B. said.

P.S. Less than a week after the disastrous fire at Montreux…It must be linked.
~

when drums stop, big trouble!

I used to HATE bebop, and all forms of musical noodling, but now that I’m old I begin to appreciate its relaxing nature.

Knopfler: I just listened to that thing he did with Emmylou Harris and yeah, there were a couple of places where I just said “Holy Shit.” I was traveling at about 100mph much of the time so it took some doing to get my attention, too.

Nugent: Third rate. At best. Maybe fourth or fifth. But then, I carry a grudge – because a significant part of my hearing loss is, I believe, directly attributable to Nugent, New Year’s Eve, 1979 or 80.

I’ve always thought of bebop and its progeny as a straight white guy thing (at least in terms of audiencing, not performering). Something about it seems to provide an acceptable emotional release… I don’t know, maybe it’s reverse macho or something. I don’t get Charlie Parker or anything jazz-flavored along experimental lines thereafter, despite womanfully beating myself over the head with “Kind of Blue” and “A Love Supreme” about six thousand times. I’m still missing it. Whatever IT might happen to be.

I also don’t understand why, in any discussion of guitar gods, the names of George Harrison and Eric Clapton are sure to come up in the first thirty seconds, but it never seems to occur to anyone to mention Nancy Wilson, Wendy Melvoin, or Brian May.

Um… and whose vacuum-boiled idea was it to turn Orianthi into a pop vocalist?

http://www.youtube.com/verify_age?next_url=http%3A//www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DCAV0XrbEwNc%26feature%3Dplayer_embedded
salvage! Awesome female response. Listen to both together for total win.
http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1940830

Can any of these guys (and girls—right on, McJohn!) play the guitar with their feet like Jim Stafford? Hmmm? HMMM?

P.S. I used to see Heart all the time at the Aquarius Tavern (for a $1 cover), and Nancy Wilson is a great guitarist.

Brian May.

One of my favorites. Definitely not given the credit he deserves.

I don’t get Charlie Parker or anything jazz-flavored along experimental lines thereafter,

Do you smoke pot? I recommend that.

And I’m way jealous that you’re going out in NOLA. Enjoy!

I live in the French Quarter, so going to the grocery store – or “making groceries” as they say here – is an experience. Especially this past weekend with Southern Decadence going on. I saw a whole lot of dudes with their shirts off who really should be wearing shirts. Lots of guys in leather vests, assless chaps and little else, too. And the Haters for Jesus, but fuck those guys.

“Bunghole Camera Chorus” — Now there’s a band name!

Now, howzabout the six-stringed noises ofTom Morello? A game changer? I’m just a layman, but I’m always impressed. (Also, I worry about him and hearing loss.)

Speaking of the Rage thingie, just got the “Renegades” album. I’m afraid it’s my favorite by them so far. (I don’t have them all, I don’t think, but most.) Kind of a problem, when a band’s best stuff is… covers? I don’t know why I like their version of Springsteen’s “Ghost of Tom Joad” so much, oh wait, the economy in the past two, er, 30 years.

Note a beanie: In our mod-ren age of the You Tubes, there are many ukelele versions of “Killing in the Name Of” out there:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0kKzE8agEg

Brian May — very good & long interview with him on the NP&R earlier this year. He’s done some work in astrophysics lately.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128935865

Now, howzabout the six-stringed noises ofTom Morello? A game changer? I’m just a layman, but I’m always impressed. (Also, I worry about him and hearing loss.)

I love his stuff. He does some very innovative and extremely cool stuff. Again, here’s the guitar player that does everything right.

Honestly, being good at the guitar is most about what you don’t do, rather than what you do, or what you can do.

Being impressed is great–that’s totally cool. You can even be impressed by Eddie if that’s what you feel. The point us guitarists take issue with is trying to rank somebody like Eddie Van Halen above a David Gilmour because…whatever. Ranking guitarists isn’t fair. Trying to rank Stevie Ray and Frank Zappa on some scale is ridiculous.

The only thing that matters is that the music moves you. It can be Justin Beiber or the London Philharmonic. If it feels good, do it–and here we are back to masturbation, right? Guitar players should be enabling masturbation, not doing it for show.

Wow, am I the only one here who loves A Love Supreme? And jazz isn’t the only music with SOLO, it’s just usually written CADENZA elsewhere.

Julian Bream playing the Bach Chaconne is pretty good on a guitar.

LAGQ – they can play 4 parts

Chaconne à son goût. Also.

(Finally got around to watching the vid. That is a catchy song! Agreed re: the entitled attitude, but I like the sound a lot.)

It could be a simple little riff or hook, but it’s the right thing at the right time and that’s good.
See Harrison, George. Perhaps the epitome of the lead guitar who served the song.

Mind you, in my old age I have come to enjoy much of this jazz music I used to think was masturbatory back in the days when I was a wannabe hippie and the cool cats in London used to seduce stewardesses to the strains of modern jazz after a nice evening playing baccarat at the Playboy club. In retrospect, it was a classic case of being put off by the audience. I mean, Bird & Miles & Coltrane were not exactly take-home-to-mother types, by and large, unless your mother was rather different than mine. Nor, indeed, was that nice Mr Armstrong, though he could fake it pretty good if he had enough of those funny cigarettes.

@ PS:

It helps to remind myself occasionally what Wild Men some of the Classical composers were, too. Especially the Romantic ones.

Hey, I’m down with Africa Brass and Sunship – A Love Supreme is too melodic for me

“One in five Americans believes Obama is a Muslim” illustrated.

Raised on jazz and classical music. Quit the HS band when I was supposed to go to band camp and be in the marching band. Never picked up a horn again (nearly 40 years now)! Love all kinds of music, though. Guitar players- my favorites- FZ, Jeff Beck, SRV. Saw Jeff and Frank many times, great work, always. Love BeBop- Bird in particular. Solo=masturbation? Not if it touches that place inside someone else- if not, yeah, it’s masturbation.

See Harrison, George. Perhaps the epitome of the lead guitar who served the song.

Agreed. Good and underrated, for sure.

El Cid, thank you for the link to the Stiglitz at the WaPo.

Well, this is certainly a fine mess you’ve made, Ollie, I mean, W. Thanks a whole fucking lot. I never dreamed that somebody would snatch the Ultimate Dickhead Republican title away from RMN.

Anyone having RSS problems with the site?

You know what’s a great guitar piece? The closing theme in Spongebob Squarepants.

‘who is the most overated guitarist?’

Yngwie.

At least Eddie has some sense of melody. And fun.

Re: Zappa,

I saw him in, 88 by the look of it, though as I remember it it was “Norwegian Wood” that was redone as “Texas Motel”.

Texas motellllllll
Don’t mind the smelllllll

Fucking awesome.

He had the N.O.W. on tour with him registering voters. Interesting match.

Also, too. Don’t get me started on the disappearance of the real Rhythm Guitarist.

Hendrix. The dude took the blues places it hadn’t been before. Which ain’t saying there weren’t other bluesmen doing amazing things at the same time.

And I do appreciate jazz; I’ve come to appreciate it later in life. Kind of Blue is one of my favorites but in general I’m more of a swing kind of guy I have to admit, where the solo serves the piece (hm, where did I see that just recently?). Basie, Armstrong, Duke…that’s some good stuff there.

Listen to what you like, what you have the capacity to understand, what makes you respond.

Ah, that’s the rub.

It was Strawberry Fields.

As a neo-prog rock junkie, I must say, the idea of describing any music as masturbatory is all but foreign to me. What I don’t “get” is noise music of any description. There’s a very loud air conditioner in my dorm room that serves that purpose just fine.

I first saw it at the gym as “Forget You”. I actually worked surprisingly well.

Leave it to conservatives to find a video objectionable because of a bit of vulgarity and not the creeping misogyny oozing out of it.

cool cats in London used to seduce stewardesses to the strains of modern jazz after a nice evening playing baccarat at the Playboy club

We played chemin de fer, not baccarat.

Jelly Roll Morton was singing curse words in the 20s and recorded a bunch of stuff in the late 30s that just never gets played because every other word is “fuck” or “motherfucker” or “I’m gonna kill that bitch”, which isn’t a word but you catch my drift. Obscenities in music are nothing new.

Most overrated guitarist: duh, Clapton.

Most overrated guitarist: Slash.

Indulgent and derivative, yet for some reason, he’s named in the same breath as Clapton or Page.

I don’t get Charlie Parker or anything jazz-flavored along experimental lines thereafter

It’s the music of heroin.

Er, I think I’ll stay out of this one. Y’all go ahead.

I don’t get Charlie Parker or anything jazz-flavored along experimental lines thereafter

I can’t imagine why not. You hear it often enough on the TeeVee in car commercials and shit.

Cute song.

Now let’s hear one where the guy admits that he brought it on himself by treating less-than-8s like they were beneath his notice.

Most chicks ain’t gold diggers. Just the 10% or so that all guys consider their due.