Not to ramble on off topic or anything, but when is the deadline for Part Deux of Retardeau’s opus?

Man, that guy has waaaay too much free time.

He must live a sad, sad life. Do you think he cries himself to sleep much?

Hmm, delicious paste.

what? a dead-trees reporter that actually sees thru goldstein’s bloviating self-importance to witness his seething hatred of all things not-goldstein? how dare she!

Dear me. Jeff so enjoyed his weekend of notoriety, he just can’t get it into his head that now it’s yesterday’s news.

Someone PLEASE slip some Klonopin into that paste. NOW.

You will all feel the wrath of my cock!

See, Jeff has said you will feel the wrath of his cock…so you better get wise, see? You gotta nice weblog here, be a shame if anything happened to it….

Duh, boss, whatever you say…

Whoa, in the span of hours that fruit cup spoiled into that fridge???

How hot is it where you guys post?

How does one tell the real commenters from the fake?

While Travis sits here chewing on last week’s leftovers, a CITIZEN JOURNALIST and self-described “classical liberal” reveals himself through the company he keeps:

3) I’ll be appearing tonight on Pundit Review Radio, for those of you interested. The show starts at 7 eastern and is broadcast on WRKO Talk Radio, Boston (free registration required to listen live); I’ll be on at 9:20 or so. But you’ll want to tune in earlier for the other guests: Ann Coulter, Ralph Peters, and Matt from Blackfive.

One for the “Part Deux” files, though in a way, I hope Part Deux never comes to be. IT is time to quit speaking sense to the insensible and time to start depriving Jeff of fuel for his ire. Without oxygen, fires go out. Without attention from liberals, Jeff might be forced to ponder how his so-called classically liberal values square up with his illiberal, intolerant, Bush-apologist behaviors.

He probably still wouldn’t do it, for life is short and paste is sweet and self-awareness so overrated, but at least ignoring him would limit global exposure to his toxic emissions.

Actually. the reporter probably should have asked him for comments on his quote. Not really necessary, but good journalistic form.

I know Goldstein fancies himself an intellectual — he did partial graduate work at the University of Denver, people! — but every time I see one of his postings, he comes off like one of the more violent, special-needs kids at the local high school.

I guess that would explain the obsession he has with slapping people with his cock.

Um. The comment about the 700 Club and the honeybaked ham? Was that meant to sound a little, you know, anti-Semitic, or did it just come out that way? Am I just hypersensitive about the ham jokes after three years of “smear the bullets with pig blood and *then* shoot all the Muslims” thing?

University of Denver

Hey hey, there’s no need to engage in that sort of credentialism – there may be perfectly valid reasons an intellectual would be unable to leave his native Denver, and must therefore pursue a graduate degree there, or not pursue one at all.

Instead, we should focus on the fact that a) he didn’t finish his graduate work, and doesn’t seem to have found any other goal to work toward instead; and b) it’s clear that the man cannot write or think with the clarity required of even a University of Denver student.

Ahhhhh, shit . . . there I go with my institutional snobbery again.

I think the 700 and ham quip was supposed to humor mocking the perception that all right wingers are religious nutjobs and rednecks.
In reality, only about 70% of them are.
God, honey baked ham is so nasty. Might as well poor some salt an sugar over a rubberband. Mmmm.

I hope Part Deux never comes to be. IT is time to quit speaking sense to the insensible and time to start depriving Jeff of fuel for his ire.

Yes and no. The Thers outing IIRC came about through – unbelievable! – a discussion of meaning and Jeff’s idea that “what the author meant” is closer to what a text means than what it actually says, while Thers, god damn his contrarian ways, said that was part of the picture but by no means all of it.

Given Jeff’s political predilections, there’s a chicken-and-egg exploration to make there: does he read the constitution this way and did this inform his grad work, or did the grad work convince him that Bork was a literary-theory anti-hipster? And isn’t it harder work to give up a stupid idea if both your wishful-thinking career and your current source of notoriety are both so tied up with that?

But pay no attention.

Oh, Jeff. Bless your heart. But just because you receive death threats doesn’t make you important.

Klonapin? I’d suggest Haldol. Something quite quite strong. Poor man. So young, so…f’d up.

Hey hey, there’s no need to engage in that sort of credentialism – there may be perfectly valid reasons an intellectual would be unable to leave his native Denver, and must therefore pursue a graduate degree there, or not pursue one at all.

Well, first of all, I don’t think geographic immobility has anything to do with it. He also studied at Towson State for his BA degree (Maryland) and did small bits of graduate work at Johns Hopkins (Maryland) and summer school at Cornell (New York). Since most of the top graduate programs offer free tuition and significant stipends to accepted MA/Ph.D. students, it seems he was held back more by his intellectual limitations than any geographic ones.

He seems to be the worst kind of academic — one who compensates for his own insecurites about his credentials with an overbearing pomposity laden with academic jargon and little talent. Check out his full bio at his blog for the gory details.

But yes, you’re right. There’s no need to be snide about the U. of Denver thing. They have enough shame to live with knowing Goldstein’s an alum. Well, not an alum, since he never got the degree. What’s the right term? Former loafer?

Wow, Jeff Goldstein is mad because a local reporter didn’t write an epic about his heroic struggles against a commentator on his blog (who may have mental issues). I think we need to do a movie of the week about his thankless struggle to glorify himself defend freedom and the truth from evil feminist reporters with hyphenated last names. How can the forces of evil not tremble in fear when a pompus noble hero like Jeff gets his game on?

I think we need to do a movie of the week about his thankless struggle

Good idea. But what would the title be?

I’d like to nominate Cock Slap Shot.

How about blast from the paste?
Or out of the paste?
Or possibly Half-paste, dead!?

…or there’s my personal favourite, Cock-slap Her…She’s Untenured

Oh man, Jeffy should totally post the reporter’s home address and phone number and any pictures of her family he can find on his home page. Over and over and over, along with hints that his fans should harass and threaten her. It’s the online integrity way to go.

Everyone knows that the University of Denver has the nation’s finest Center for the Study of Canine Fellatio. You people are all just jealous.

Pablo made me laugh out loud…

while Thers, god damn his contrarian ways, said that was part of the picture but by no means all of it.

To be fair, I also called him an unfunny asshole, a complete moron, a shitty writer, and a whiny douchebag. Meant it, too.

A newspaper article about something that happens in a blog comments section is, well, nuts. We live in a relatively small city, and sometimes our paper has a report on a deadly dustup amongst the members of the the Annual St. Stanislaus’s Pierogie Fest Planning Committee. That’ shit’s more important, in the final analysis.

Thers, you acted like a deadbeat in that last big blowup with Goldstein. And, no, I don’t expect you or Atrios to agree. But it’s a fact. You just ran. You took down your whole website in response to Proteinwisdom trolls. Regardless of whatever advaced degrees you hold, it’s difficult for me not to regard you as a jagoff.

Actually. the reporter probably should have asked him for comments on his quote.

Yeah. Then when she had Goldstein yapping away on the phone, she could have put the phone receiver gently down on her chair, gone out for a massage, a facial, and a pedicure, had lunch, returned to the office, and picked up the receiver just in time to hear Goldstein deliver the final 20 or 30 minutes of his side of the story.

it’s difficult for me not to regard you as a jagoff.

Dear me. That comes as a terrible blow to my self-esteem.

[Ms Everett-Haynes writes: “Tensions escalated after Frisch and Goldstein swapped comments about North Korean missiles. The conversation on national security and political warfare got personal.�]

Actually, I arrived at Lipid Stupidity on July 4 on a post called Antecedents whining about how the NYT was a threat to national security. I said I thought that George Dubya Bush’s occupation of Iraq was a greater threat to security than the NYT. I ended my first post with the line “Got neurons?” to signal I was a troll who thought he was a moron.

Poor Jeff can’t even get this fact straight – it had nothing to do with North Korean missiles.

[After an online discussion escalated into a feud, a local woman resigned from her job after making obscene comments while at work suggestive of violence against a Colorado blogger’s young son.]

Close, but no cigar. I’d say:

After an online discussion escalated into a feud, a University of Arizona professor and leftwing blogger who was trolling on a rightwing site made a joke in VERY bad taste that alluded to demise of the rightwing blogger’s toddler. This hostile chitchat escalated to the point where the professor’s boss was flooded with three hundred emails from angry rightwingnuts alleging she’d threatened the toddler, not merely joked about him and the professor felt like she had no choice but to resign. The blogger was quoted in the newspaper as saying he “never” felt threatened, but this did not seem to deter the rightwingnuts, especially Blackfive, the, or at least a, true villain in this twisted story.

Dear me. That comes as a terrible blow to my self-esteem.

Well, it’s true, jagoff. Go over to Eschaton to repair your wonded self-esteem, asshole. You were playing with serious right-wing nuts, and they played you. Jagoff. You are now a synonym for an ineffectual left-blogger. I hope you enjoy that.

Go over to Eschaton to repair your wonded self-esteem, asshole.

is this prison lingo or something? I don’t get it.

Man, the idea that Goldstein represents “serious” anything – even wingnuts – is just depressing. And hey, who else enjoys the humor in seeing an otherwise totally annonymous jackass lambaste some other more or less annonymous jackass for, hell…I dunno, being the wrong kind of annonymous internet jackass?

Bloggers is the craziest peeples sometimes.

You are now a synonym for an ineffectual left-blogger.

I’m sorry you are disappointed at my unwillingness to make a disgusting comment about my daughter the subject of an internet dick-measuring contest. Maybe next time. I do have other children, you know.

do have other children, you know.

At least 2 Hundred of them, at last toll.

And Deb? I’d drop the whole thing if I were you. Goldstein’s an unfunny asshole and everything but you are evidently, at least in your online posture (and I realize that one’s online identity can be completely diffreent from the real world one)….

But back to your online posture. It seems, and this is the only way to put it, batshit insane. If I were you, and had done what you did, I don’t think I could have ever posted to the intertrons again. Again, Goldstein is a Grade A douchebag and has probably handled this whole thing as only a Grade A douchebag could, but you. Crazy.

Seriously. Learn from this and move on.

Just Sayin’

The Wanker Report said,

Seriously, Asshole? You are an asshole. Someone said something about Thers’s kid. Two or three weeks later Thers and his wife’s personal info is outed at Goldstein’s blog. The thing said about Thers’s kidt becomes an issue again. Thers gets more threats about his kid/deletes his blog (I don’t know (and only Thers really would precisely, what other threatening comments were made and when. Though I know at least one threat was made).

From what I’ve read, the reason Thers deleted his blog was because he had pictures of his kids on there and he really didn’t feel cool about that in light of what was being said about the comment in a conflict that was escalating pretty rapidly and doing so mostly outside of his control. It may not be what you or I (frankly, I don’t know how I would have reacted) would have done in that situation. But, speaking for myself, what Thers did was completely understandable. And as he pretty much deescalted a blog fight in which he was clearly wronged and for which he could have rightfully demanded some sort of satisfaction in order to protect his kids, I’d also say it was commendable. Blog-nerd (yes, I am a blog-nerd. You read blogs, that makes you a nerd too) fights just aren’t worth that. Especially given the fact that the gravamen of the whole dispute was an esoteric point about interpreting literature,

If you consider that “getting played” then more power to you. It just makes you an asshole.

But, speaking for myself, what Thers did was completely understandable.

I concur. Though JG has shown that it is possible to make hay out of disgusting comments about one’s kids, I can understand why other people might be less willing to exploit such a situation.

Wow, blogging about a newspaper story about a flame war on your blog. Can Goldstein wank or what?

The Thers outing IIRC came about through – unbelievable! – a discussion of meaning and Jeff’s idea that “what the author meantâ€? is closer to what a text means than what it actually says, while Thers, god damn his contrarian ways, said that was part of the picture but by no means all of it.

Yeah – at first JG’s actions and literary ideology just seems highly ironic. But JG’s literary “criticism” it actually makes sense; it is very useful in his own justifications of his actions. JG ignores context when he finds it politically useful.

For example, when revealing Ther’s and his wife’s identity, JG continually feel back on the “I didn’t really threaten” radical intentionalist position — which, of course, was only possible if one ignores the context. (The context being that JG was reposting the names of both Thers and his wife any time a third party would write about the situation.)

Of course, this is all bull shit, as JG will use context when he finds it politically useful. He simply wants the option to ignore context when he acts in a way that shows him in a less then ideal light.

It’s a big game to him. He knows what he is doing.

But back to your online posture. It seems, and this is the only way to put it, batshit insane. If I were you, and had done what you did, I don’t think I could have ever posted to the intertrons again. Again, Goldstein is a Grade A douchebag and has probably handled this whole thing as only a Grade A douchebag could, but you. Crazy.

Um…Word.

And I’d just like to underline everything else Bas-O-Matic wrote.

Back to random guy’s movie titles. I suggest Dude, Where’s My Cock?”

However, having worked as a newspaper reporter, the guess here is that the end of that quote was removed by a skittish editor — as likely to avoid offending 700 Club viewers and the ever-risible honeybaked-ham community.

Dude, the honeybaked-ham community is so risible that they sicced the Reichland Security goons on vegans for the crime of exercising their First Amendment rights…

How about: I Know Who You Cock-Slapped Last Summer

Cockslapshot.

Slapshot is a great movie and should not be besmirched by connection with this affair. Possibly Cockslapshot 2? That’s more his speed.

And I honestly think anyone who’s going to ride Thers about deleting the blog really really wasn’t paying attention, or not until it was too late to hear anything but the paste-driven noise machine.

Thersites is kind of a pussy said “You just ran. You took down your whole website in response to Proteinwisdom trolls.”

Oh, I’m so sorry that you didn’t get the swordplay you’d envisioned.

What Thers did, under those circumstances, was exactly what many people would expect from a loving husband and a protective father. However the situation started, his wife and children were being dragged into it.

Again, sorry you were disappointed. Someday you’ll stop licking yourself and realize that this isn’t one of your S&S books. Thanks to Jeff Goldst/ein, it affects peoples real lives.

What Miss Emily said.

Look, Goldstein’s commeters have threatened to kill people. They are clay-eating, Nazified white trash, every bit as crazy and demented as Goldstein himself, and if I, like Thers, had children, I wouldn’t be doing posts on them.

It’s doubtful Pasty’s commenters would travel to snuff someone with axe handles and “show them where Jimmy Hoffa is buried,” but the constraint is only due to sloth and money considerations, not due to lack of desire or temprament. These people are horrible human beings and capable at least in theory of making good on all the depraved threats they’ve uttered.

Of course if Pasty and Crew did make good on their threats, Pattycake and Space Ace, etal., would still say it isn’t as bad as what Frisch typed.

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