Tea Totalitarians
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Gibbs: The DOJ is still reviewing Arizona’s law but let’s call it “fundamentally unfair” anyway
- Obama is disrespecting the police again as Gibbs, who is wrong to offer an opinion, reveals a banal procedural intrigue of some kind — and hey, speaking of Arizona’s ethnic ‘show me your papers’ law,1 check out this Democrat wacko comparing it to Nazism.
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1 Consider: While to the indoctrinated wingnut, mandatory government IDs are equivalent to living in Nazi Germany, mandatory government ID spot-checks for an ethnic minority are not significantly comparable to Nazi Germany.
Accordingly, Barack Obama is in certain trivial ways like Hitler, making him be Hitler, whereas if there were a guy named Dan Hitler who had a talk radio show called the 1,000-Year Heil-Hitler Nazi Reich during which he yelled with his little mustache flattened under his nose in bumpkin-accented German (often, as in stock Hitler footage, about something surprisingly dull like farm subsidies, doch Niemand versteht ein Wörtchen, or, d’oh! nobody understands a single word in German), and if during or amidst all of this he also spoke well of Sarah Palin, then mentioning the similarities between this show and Nazi stuff would be a vicious Nazi attack on Sarah Palin.
Once this begins to make sense, all of wingnut belief will phase into clarity like the Trump Louie in a Bev Doolittle painting, and like me, you may find that you are a slightly worse and dumber person who understands the world just a little less well.
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AKA Mohammad.
Demi Moore is pretty hot in a suit.
If they have not the mark of the beast upon them, they shall not be allowed to buy or sell, nor to work in the fields.
..mandatory government IDs are equivalent to living in Nazi Germany, mandatory government ID spot-checks for an ethnic minority are not significantly comparable to Nazi Germany.
but, but, but, brown people are involved!
mandatory government ID spot-checks for an ethnic minority are not significantly comparable to Nazi Germany.
Mandatory super-ego spot-checks are Stalinist.
Consider: While to the indoctrinated wingnut, mandatory government IDs are equivalent to living in Nazi Germany, mandatory government ID spot-checks for an ethnic minority are not significantly comparable to Nazi Germany.
Also consider: The Census is unconstitutional (such as the bit asking about your race), but Hispanics getting the ol’ pass book treatment is “getting our state back”
Republicans aren’t like Nazis! They’re just the only ones who are able to see that wealthy Jews like George Soros are undermining our proud nation!
The fact is, Obama is just like Hitler in every way. He takes freedom away and brings in the socialism, which makes USA weak even as his black,gay,mexican cronys are taking over and we,the real americans are taking our country back.
The fact is, it is not fair that the MSM protrays Tea Baggers are morons when we are much smarter than brianwashed liberals who hate America and do not understanmd fact,logic and economics.
Talk like that is gonna get ya labeled an infultraitor, Gary.
If Gary Ruppert didn’t exist, it would be necessary to invent him.
I saw something this morning (was it a Rolling Stone article?) that indicated the whole Arizona “may I see your papers, please?” issue is more about voter suppression and Republicans freaking out that their state’s demographics (largely due to legal Latino immigration) is moving away from Republican majority.
Jaime Corneja, anyone?
Oh, yes. A few well-positioned ossifers near a polling place can make quite a difference. No ACORN theft in AZ this time!!
I am really sad about this. I grew up in and lived in Arizona for many years – it is a drop-dead gorgeous state. Unfortunately, it has so many regressive stone-age righties in it, from the Sun City retirees, to the staunch ag/mines/business conservatives, who proudly believe in not letting the gummint thrust anything down their throats. Well, until subsidy time comes around – then we have a bunch of the aforesaid staunchies with their hands out, and gullets wide open.
The disingenuous cries of how this is not AT ALL racial profiling, or supposed to be dicriminatory, make me sick. This bill is inherently racist. The voter suppression thing suprises me not at all.
If only there were some easier way to esablish reasonable suspiscion, or make it easier for people to have their papers on them at all time.
Like, I dunno. Maybe some kind of patch we can have them sew onto their clothes? For easier identification?
There’s a way out of the constitutional issues, though. They’ll just pass a law requiring certain types to wear a yellow badge. Then the police will know who to stop and ask for their papers. See? Not like the Nazis at all.
DAMN IT!
Maybe some kind of patch we can have them sew onto their clothes?
yeah, I was thinking along these lines. Maybe with a chip in it so the good, real murkins can just aim an electronic device to check bona fides. That should work out well.
say, someone should start a website where people can submit their designs for such a patch. We can helpfully send them on to the good people of Arizona.
mingo said,
I also spent some formative years in AZ. We were in Tempe, which was pretty liberal, and I was young enough to remember it fondly. It’s interesting to see the demographics play out against the old time conservatives. I think it’s going to get nastier before it gets better, though.
Michael G –
I grew up in Nogales, and lived in Tucson, which is possibly the most liberal part of Arizona. I miss the Sonoran Desert a lot, and you probably understand that. I don’t remember it being so nasty with respect to Hispanics and immigrants.
I also don’t understand one statisztic I saw on the webs yesterday, that 70% of Arizonans supported this bill. There are a LOT more rational and decent folks there than that – including some members of my family, who are still there.
If I were an AZ state cop & I still had a soul, I would start demanding the birth certificates of the whitest people I can find- starting with the AZ Republican party. Someone has to face up to the threat of illegal Canadian immigrants.
“when we are much smarter than brian-washed liberals who hate America…”
You should try washing in brian, it makes your skin so soft.
Arakasi,
not to mention Panamanian carpet-baggers.
oh, yeah…don’t forget to demand the “long form” BC, and an official translation to American.
I always figured conservatives would go for some form of apartheid before they collapsed completely, but I would have bet on it starting in the south. AZ, the new Jim Crow state?
Look, it just makes sense to treat every brown person as a potential illegal immigrant. Due process is for whites.
oh, yeah…don’t forget to demand the vault copy “long form” BC, and an official translation to American.
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yeah, I was thinking along these lines. Maybe with a chip in it so the good, real murkins can just aim an electronic device to check bona fides. That should work out well.
Nothing so complicated, maybe a yellow badge shaped like a sombrero. And to make things easier, perhaps all them folks that police suspect might be illegal could be gathered together into one spot. A sort of staging area, so that the ID check would be more efficient of course.
AZ, the new Jim Crow state?
The
SouthWest shall riseagainvault copy “long form”
Barely veiled pr0nography.
AZ, the new Jim Crow state?
It’s a dry heat.
A sort of staging area, so that the ID check would be more efficient of course.
say, that sounds like a plan. Sort of a place where they can be ‘concentrated’ so to speak. If they have any property, it was, of course, obtained illegally, so we would have to confiscate it.
How surprised should anyone be by this? Arizona was, after all, the last holdout on honoring MLK.
Given the “OMG THE PRESIDENT’S A NAZI” sentiments thereabouts I confess that I am surprised. See footnote above.
See footnote above.
Obviously you missed the point. Tea Party people are so obviously patriotic Americans that no one would ever have even a remote suspicion that they’re illegal immigrants, therefore only the wetbacks will be affected by this law.
I for one welcome the day when whites can roam free of anything that may seem scary, different, or otherwise not welcome. What’s so wrong with stopping brown people and asking for ID? There’s a good chance that they are doing something wrong and, as the historically accurate film “Don’t Be a Menace to South Central While Drinking Your Juice in the Hood” indicates, it will free up white people to commit more crimes.
at the petition site for Boycott Arizona (http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/boycott-arizona)
is one statement defending this bill:
“Also Read the law, it explicitly says racial profiling is illegal and not to be done… “
well, there you go – no problem! I’m sure now that no racial profiling will take place!
It’d help if they, say, wore American flag armbands.
ONE COUNTRY! ONE PEOPLE!
ONE LEADERA BUNCH OF DUDES WEARING TEABAGS ON TRICORNERED HATS!Consider: While to the indoctrinated wingnut, mandatory government IDs are equivalent to living in Nazi Germany, mandatory government ID spot-checks for an ethnic minority are not significantly comparable to Nazi Germany.
how Glibertarian of them
It’d help if they, say, wore American flag armbands.
Every car should have one of these. If not, go join Obama and the Marxist army of effeminate elites.
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I’m more pro-platters myself.
It’d help if they, say, wore American flag armbands.
And maybe called attention to themselves by marching everywhere.
I for one welcome the day when whites can roam free of anything that may seem scary, different, or otherwise not welcome.
We call that Montana.
And maybe called attention to themselves by marching everywhere.
Marching everywhere with a kind of high, elongated leg kick. Similar to one of these.
Teatalitarians? Authoritearians?
Marching everywhere with a kind of high, elongated leg kick.
Interesting.
Of course, it would be most effective if they wore long black boots with their trousers tucked in.
Dicteatorships?
Up until now everything around here has been, well, pleasant. Recently certain things have become unpleasant. Now, it seems to me that the first thing we have to do is to separate out the things that are pleasant from the things that are unpleasant.
Respect Mah Authori-tea!
Of course, it would be most effective if they wore long black boots with their trousers tucked in.
Agreed. Good thinking. Also, I’m think they are going to need a symbol that the movement can get behind. Something like this.
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Tea Total Aryans?
By the way, to the surprise of many, Green Party candidate Antonio Mockus is now leading in the polls for the Presidency of Colombia, whereas most had been assuming that former Army commander and good buddy of narco-paramilitary death squads Vice President Jorge Santos would waltz in to continue Uribe’s para-state policies.
How much you wanna bet that if the extreme-right Uribe loses and a reformist Green President wins in Colombia, suddenly the U.S. decides to ‘rethink’ its massive military aid programs?
By the way, that would leave Chile as the last large country in South America governed by a right wing government, not including our tiny little Honduran coup government.
Also, I’m think they are going to need a symbol that the movement can get behind. Something like this.
The word’s too long. Teabaggers would never understand it, and it sounds furren.
Maybe a symbol of some sort. Like a cross, but nothing that would offend the Christians.
You know who hates us for our freedom?
Teh brown peoples who get ID’d the whole fucking time when the crackers don’t. Also teh brown peoples that get bombed, can never figure that one out.
that would leave Chile as the last large country in South America governed by a right wing government
Huh? I thought they had a filthy soshalist?
Ignore last post. I’m living in the past.
Huh? I thought they had a filthy soshalist?
Unless Pinera stole the election, of course. Is there an “Ohio” in Chile?
If you’re
whiteinnocent, you have nothing to fear – well, unless you lose your ID or leave it at home … THEN you have something to fear.Oh, or unless some nasty cop throws your ID into a trashcan & busts your ass – pretty sure you’ve got something to fear then, too.
Or if you lose your ID in a fire or natural disaster.
Or your kid finds it & hides it.
Let’s see: angry mobs threatening violence, demanding action to halt a mythological conspiracy to weaken their glorious nation, insisting that noone sully their precious rage with unpatriotic facts or the creeping crypto-fascism of critical thinking, being led by charismatic & sociopathic celebrity-heros, applauding calls to revolution & the passage of overtly-discriminatory laws … yeah, I’ve seen this movie already, & it doesn’t end well, to put it mildly.
Teatalitarians? Authoritearians?
Imma let you finish, but Tetleyrans…
Maybe a symbol of some sort.
What’s the opposite of a peace sign?
Let’s see: angry mobs threatening violence, demanding action to halt a mythological conspiracy to weaken their glorious nation, insisting that noone sully their precious rage with unpatriotic facts or the creeping crypto-fascism of critical thinking, being led by charismatic & sociopathic celebrity-heros, applauding calls to revolution & the passage of overtly-discriminatory laws … yeah, I’ve seen this movie already, & it doesn’t end well, to put it mildly.
First, they came for the brown people, and I didn’t speak up for I was not a brown person…
What’s the opposite of a peace sign?
Hm. Well, the peace sign looks like a dove’s foot…and hawks are the opposite of doves…and hawks have four talons that can spread really wide, almost around a circle…of course, they bend a little for flexibility…
Billionaire moderate Pinochetista Piñera took over, more than likely because, the Socialists had no well-known and liked successor to Bachelet (who was wildly popular), and, well, the Socialists had been in power since 2000, so, you know, people often want ‘change’ just because they do.
Piñera has since then specialized in making weird incomprehensible public statements.
That said, things have really, really changed in the Chilean political environment, so Piñera recently announced this in the wake of the giant earthquake & tsunami:
What self-respecting right wing billionaire fails to respond to real problems by pledging tax cutz, deregyoolation, and cuttin’ the damn spendin’?
Maybe we could get him to take a look at New Orleans and suggest what we might do.
Seriously, the last 10-12 years Latin America has moved into real independence, and even the right wing business classes aren’t interested in simply having their countries despoiled for some jerkass foreign investors.
four talons that can spread really wide, almost around a circle…of course, they bend a little for flexibility
This sounds familiar…
$8.43 billion plan Friday to finance Chile’s reconstruction with tax increases, new government debt and withdrawals from the country’s copper savings.
Wait! A socialist nation banked it’s revenue from the sale of its national resources, instead of buying everyone unicorns and/or sparkledragons??????
FASCISTS!
Bachelet also reversed much of Pinochet / the Chicago Boys’ privatization of pensions (‘social security’), since the scheme totally failed the poorest and public workers.
The new conservative government hasn’t yet even suggested moving away from this re-nationalization.
Strangely, you don’t hear a lot from the U.S. media and snotty neo-liberal types who spent the past generation screaming about how awesome Chile’s privatized social security system went.
In fact, I haven’t heard one mention of the “Solidarity Pension” program by Bachelet.
What’s the opposite of a peace sign?
Maybe something along these lines?
I saw something this morning (was it a Rolling Stone article?) that indicated the whole Arizona “may I see your papers, please?” issue is more about voter suppression and Republicans freaking out that their state’s demographics (largely due to legal Latino immigration) is moving away from Republican majority.
That’s Greg Palast’s contention (I heard him on the Stephanie Miller Show this morning talking about it) — that the impetus behind the law is a (totally bogus, of course) claim that there are hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants being registered to vote. Palast says he challenged the main instigator of the law (someone Pierce?) to produce evidence of even five registered illegal voters, and of course it couldn’t be done. But the law allows police to intimidate Hispanic voters by threatening that if they try to register without proof of citizenship, they will be arrested.
There was also something about 100,000 legal voters being blocked by the AZ governor or secretary of state, but I didn’t catch the details. Someone else wanna look into that? (What? I’m conducting journalism Goldberg-style.)
Seriously, the last 10-12 years Latin America has moved into real independence, and even the right wing business classes aren’t interested in simply having their countries despoiled for some jerkass foreign investors.
One of my full corporate drone joys in life is pointing out to the high-flying Harvard MBA toting CEO of the firm here that one of the best books on management is written by a hippiecommiebastard from Brazil naemd Ricardo Semler.
The book is called “Maverick”– not to be confused with McCain’s former title– and is absolutely one of the most positive books written about the business world ever.
Imagine: workers have real input into business decisions AND veto rights over executive pay and any expenditure the company made! And if they ask “why?”, they don’t get fired or demoted or challenged or harassed…they’re rewarded with a bonus!
“Woertchen.”
four talons that can spread really wide, almost around a circle…of course, they bend a little for flexibility
This sounds familiar…
Well, the Arizona version would make the hawk’s talon blue on a white circle on a red field, so it’s totally different than what you’re thinking about. It’s important to show ‘Murkan colours, none o’ that furrin stuff.
Seriously, though, this law will be overturned under the 4th and/or 14th Amendments before the ink dries, won’t it?
Arizona’s new public safety law reminds me of when the Kent OH cop was beating me with a nightstick, and I asked him why, because I hadn’t done anything illegal (yet) and he said- “‘Cause your guilty of something, maybe not this time, but, you will be!” That was many years ago- about 40 or so. Things never change, the hits just keep comin’!
“‘Cause your guilty of something, maybe not this time, but, you will be!”
My dad ran the same line of shit on me.
So I killed him. Now who’s laughing, Pop?
That Bev Doolittle painting looked so familiar, when I figured out where I’d seen it before it BLEW MY MIND.
this law will be overturned under the 4th and/or 14th Amendments before the ink dries, won’t it?
yes, and when it is, the level of butthurt from the
brownshirtsreal murkans will be deafening.yes, and when it is, the level of butthurt from the brownshirts real murkans will be deafening.
I’ll be curious to hear the decision on the violent video games case on the docket for today.
On the one hand, free enterprise. On the other, Christian values.
What to do…what to do…
Seriously, though, this law will be overturned under the 4th and/or 14th Amendments before the ink dries, won’t it?
Very likely, but then yonder douchebags just curl up into the White Victim pose and scream about “activist judges!”, “states rights!”, “their America!”, etc. for election day. And I suspect (as Dan says above) that election day– turning out the crazies while making Latinos afraid to vote– is what this is really about.
Despicable fuckers.
mingo said,
A sort of staging area, so that the ID check would be more efficient of course.
say, that sounds like a plan. Sort of a place where they can be ‘concentrated’ so to speak. If they have any property, it was, of course, obtained illegally, so we would have to confiscate it.
Considering the numbers involved (how many is a brazillian, again?) we’re gonna need some kind of efficient transportation system for moving large numbers of people to places where they can be safely contained for the comfort and security of the True
AryansAmericans.(Yeesh, this is starting to make even me a little queasy, and snark is as mother’s milk to me.)
I’ll be curious to hear the decision on the violent video games case on the docket for today.
On the one hand, free enterprise. On the other, Christian values.
Forget that. If it can can happen to video games it has to happen to movies. Hollywood won’t let that happen.
Oh, and blog forbid some parents do some actual parenting.
Considering the numbers involved (how many is a brazillian, again?) we’re gonna need some kind of efficient transportation system for moving large numbers of people to places where they can be safely contained for the comfort and security of the True Americans.
Well, I’d suggest the railroads, but those never run on time.
If only we had some sort of Mayor-like figure in the Republican party…preferably Italian…someone with experience running a large bureaucracy like the New York City transit authority, or at least dealing with them. I bet HE could get the trains to run on time!
Does McSame know anything these days?
Now.. picture in your head America with him as president. We would have misplaced a state by now.
Forget that. If it can can happen to video games it has to happen to movies. Hollywood won’t let that happen.
I understand your point, but individual theatres enforce the age limits (well, when they bother to) so the Supremes can’t exactly look at that.
And that crush video decision last week signals to me that the Court is taking a slightly less moralist position on entertainment.
Now.. picture in your head America with him as president. We would have misplaced a state by now.
That’s OK. We have 56 others.
We would have misplaced a state by now.
Hmmmm. Could it have been Texas? Because that would have some redeeming value, at least.
/resident of Floriduh with, obviously, little room to talk
What about “states rights”, John?? McCain = Big Gummit!!!
And that crush video decision last week signals to me that the Court is taking a slightly less moralist position on entertainment.
Because while the act may be illegal, the depiction of that act cannot be illegal. Free speech and all that. Also, video games have ratings on it. It’s primarily up to the parents to enforce their rules and alternatively on the individual retailers to enforce video game ratings.
If the president doesn’t like what the Arizona Legislature and governor may be doing…
If John McCain doesn’t like who the majority of Americans chose for the presidency or who the majority of Arizona Republicans are about to choose for their new senator… maybe he should just shut the fuck up and go back to Panama.
Seriously, though, this law will be overturned under the 4th and/or 14th Amendments before the ink dries, won’t it?
Dunno. Apparently the new law is popular in state with 70% support as polled by Rasmussen. Even if you lop off 10% for the Rasmussen Effect, that’s still a supermajority. The AZ Supreme Court has two Napolitano appointees vs three from Hull/Brewer.
If goes all the way to SCOTUS, then what? There’s no way in hell that Roberts would vote against more powers to the authorities. Alito, Scalia and Thomas ain’t never saw a right wing position they didn’t love. Stevens will be retired. The hyper-psycho-rage that is the Mighty Wurlitzer and Teabagging Chorus will DEMAND a Sotomayor recusal.
You tell me, how does this thing get overturned?
If John McCain doesn’t like who the majority of Americans chose for the presidency….
LOL He is bitter with a touch of senility. It’s heartwrenching, and yet, a joy to behold.
It would make me absurdly happy were the President to say, “Yanno, John, you’ve got a point. I’m going to ask the Congress to pass legislation ordering positively confiscatory fines, just really painful extractions of capital, to be levied against any company that is found to be employing a person not legally entitled to work in this country. And none of this ‘oh, we didn’t know, waaaah, our moneh!’ bullshit, either.
And then you and your little friends there in the He-Man Brown-People Haters Club can explain to the American people why you don’t support that solution, you fucking weasel.”
(Maybe he should paraphrase that last part.)
You tell me, how does this thing get overturned?
It is pure racial profiling. Unless you have Stephen Colbert, who can’t see color, performing the checks it can’t be done without racial profiling.
There is nothing more Nazi than “Show Me Your Papers”.
I don’t see why.
Because while the act may be illegal, the depiction of that act cannot be illegal. Free speech and all that. Also, video games have ratings on it. It’s primarily up to the parents to enforce their rules and alternatively on the individual retailers to enforce video game ratings.
a) Yea, except that for child porn, it was established that the videos were directly related to the crime, because without the video, the crime would not have been committed that was depicted (i.e. there’s a market for it).
b) True, the ESRB is voluntary, but unlike the MPAA code, retailers are free to ignore it, and sell an “M” game to e preteen kid with money. This makes the parents’ job harder, since it’s not just a matter of stopping the credit card transaction, but basically accounting for the kid’s allowance on a daily basis.
Yeah, this law is hideous in and of itself, and will most certainly be struck down. But I’m also concerned because it’s yet another bit of dehumanizing rhetoric (government-sponsored, no less) that makes it acceptable to harass/beat the shit out of/murder brown people.
In a slight detour, can I say how much it BUGS THE LIVING SHIT OUT OF ME that among all this complaining about “illegals,” there is never a mention of how “free trade” and “the market” have created a large portion of this problem in the first fucking place?
I don’t see why.
He’d be mispronouncing “Murkin”
Oh my god, how has this shameless cunt managed to escape the attention of our Sadly, No! overlords?
In a slight detour, can I say how much it BUGS THE LIVING SHIT OUT OF ME that among all this complaining about “illegals,” there is never a mention of how “free trade” and “the market” have created a large portion of this problem in the first fucking place?
It gets included, but not as often as “they’re taking our jobs”.
Which I suppose sort of hints at it.
It is pure racial profiling.
And? It’s what the people in AZ want, and I’m having a hard time seeing the Roberts Supreme Court voting it down.
Actor, the MPAA code is “a voluntary system not enforced by law, it is one of various motion picture rating systems used to help parents decide what movies are appropriate for children” same as ESRB.
Oh my god, how has this shameless cunt managed to escape the attention of our Sadly, No! overlords?
Whoa. That’s definitely worth the c-card.
It gets included, but not as often as “they’re taking our jobs”.
Which I suppose sort of hints at it.
Well, but that paints working class white people as victims of immigrants, when really, they’re all victims of the same motherfucking system.
Apparently the new law is popular in state with 70% support as polled by Rasmussen
I do NOT understand how this can be, particularly considering that, what, 30% of Azians are Hispanic?? I think they did a landline survey in Sun City.
there is never a mention of how “free trade” and “the market” have created a large portion of this problem in the first fucking place?
Free Trade/The Market is a deity. One does not question the deity.
[Fixed the broken link for ‘Bev Doolittle painting,’ which leads to the Trump Louie masterpiece, The Forest Has Eyes.]
how about a little shorter for the Shameless Cunt? I hate to give her a click. (not even a ‘pity-click’, thx to the great TBogg)
Free Trade/The Market is a deity. One does not question the deity.
Oh, I forgot about the American Consumer being part of the problem, too…but again, who are we to question the American Consumer???
And? It’s what the people in AZ want, and I’m having a hard time seeing the Roberts Supreme Court voting it down.
They must also want a bad economy even worse. Immigrants add nearly $1 billion to Arizona’s economy.
If they want a state full of white people doing nothing, they got another thing coming. I’m not paying for a bunch of lowlife, entitlement racists with my taxes.
Hey, just because we put treaties in place unalterable by normal legislative processes which have the effect of devastating the economic situation of poor and working class people in the gigantic country on our Southern border, it doesn’t mean that we are allowed to think about such things.
After all, it was just a year or so ago that the last agricultural chapter of NAFTA forced Mexico to give up its last controls and subsidies of basic food crops such as corn, beans, dried milk products, etc., thus making small-trade peasant agriculture redundant.
Tens of millions of peasants now have zero income, no work locally, and must turn to the cities — with limited to no work available — or to ‘other’ sources of income.
This is completely unrelated, of course, to the explosion of intense, large-scale narco-trafficking in the heavily indigenous and peasant population of Southwestern Mexico, and you should not at all pay attention to such things.
Anyone who links these sorts of issues together hates Mexicans, Business, Republicans and Modern Democrats and, anyway, you have to wait until Bill Clinton decides to later apologize for being wrong in the first place until it’s okay to say such things.
Actor, the MPAA code is “a voluntary system not enforced by law, it is one of various motion picture rating systems used to help parents decide what movies are appropriate for children” same as ESRB.
To an extent, that’s true, altho most theater owners will enforce it as good business practice. Since families make up a substantial portion of a theatre’s business, it’s in their best interests to enforce it.
Not so much for videogame retailers, at least in my experience. And certainly, no porn theatre would allow a grossly underage kid in (without really good fake ID).
Believe me, we tried!
there is never a mention of how “free trade” and “the market” have created a large portion of this problem in the first fucking place?
plus, anything the right-wing does has, by definition, no negative consequences. So – can’t be the fault of NAFTA or free trade, or anything, nope.
Well, but that paints working class white people as victims of immigrants, when really, they’re all victims of the same motherfucking system.
Part of the victimization is to divide and conquer.
anyway, you have to wait until Bill Clinton decides to later apologize for being wrong in the first place until it’s okay to say such things.
Protect teh Clenis!!!!!!
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/26/the-curious-politics-of-immigration/
The Shrill One comments yesterday on the whole immigration deal and how it divides the two parties.
Thank he’s wrong about the Democrats. Many of us have, in fact, picked a side in the debate; Hispanic voters mostly want the border open, white union voters mostly want it closed. Most of the others are probably divided (as is the GOP leadership) but we also have our factions.
For the analysis of the Republicans, it’s nothing we didn’t know before, but quite true.
Part of the victimization is to divide and conquer.
Well, of course. It’s another iteration of the Southern Strategy. It just depresses me.
Another issue that no one, and I include liberals in this (altho El Cid started to, then stopped), talks about with respect to Mexican immigration is the fact that Mexicans are being forced out of their own country by workers from Costa Rica and Guatemala who work for even less than Mexican peasants will.
Hey, just because we put treaties in place unalterable by normal legislative processes which have the effect of devastating the economic situation of poor and working class people in the gigantic country on our Southern border, it doesn’t mean that we are allowed to think about such things.
It is also completely unrelated to the unwillingness of meat packers, farmers, and just about everybody else involved in food production to (1) pay their employees a decent wage and (2) maintain safe workplaces for those same employees.
Also has nothing to do with the unwillingness of white, upper middle class families to pay high wages to their domestic help.
In fact, the laundry list of profitable businesses and other practices that are economically favourable to rich Americans that have nothing to do with the problem of illegal immigration is as long as your arm.
Imagine: workers have real input into business decisions AND veto rights over executive pay and any expenditure the company made! And if they ask “why?”, they don’t get fired or demoted or challenged or harassed…they’re rewarded with a bonus!
Thaat sounds ridiculous… you don’t go to school and polish all those knobs to get your MBA just to have some schmuck in a jumpsuit tell you how to run your company. And giving them bonuses? Jesus. That might lead to them thinking they aren’t entirely replacable.
It sounds like a recipe for uppity proles, Actor.
Also, McCain is bellowing about how there isn’t sufficient Border Patrol and National Guard to patrol the border and keep the narco-traffickers out. Another consequence of voting to cut taxes all the time just might result in fewer of these sorts of professionals, possibly. Of course, they should all be humbly grateful to work for 20K a year.
It sounds like a recipe for uppity proles, Actor.
Yea.
Ain’t it grand?
It is also completely unrelated to the unwillingness of meat packers, farmers, and just about everybody else involved in food production to (1) pay their employees a decent wage and (2) maintain safe workplaces for those same employees.
To touch on my previous point, it is also completely unrelated to the demand for cheap, non-local, and out-of-season foods that so many American consumers regard as a fundamental part of their existence. And it’s also completely unrelated to the dissolution of unions in the US and the subsequent disempowerment of the working class.
Of course, they should all be humbly grateful to work for 20K a year.
Well, hell, the Minutemen do it for free!
And Blackwater would probably figure out how to undercut that and still make a profit.
an extent, that’s true, altho most theater owners will enforce it as good business practice. Since families make up a substantial portion of a theatre’s business, it’s in their best interests to enforce it.
I agree. I have no problem banning stores from selling games to minors. If the kid wants the game he has to go through the normal channels — like paying an older kid to buy it for ’em like he does for his cigarettes and beer.
Hmmm… Uppity Proles might make a good band name…
VforVirginia said …
Yes, thank you for saying that. The solution to the problem has always been straight-ahead. Employers are exploiting immigrants for cheap labor, and it’s depressing wages across whole sectors of the economy.
As for vija games, I don’t see how the ESRB ratings are so different from the MPAA. I know, the compliance is voluntary, but there is SOME enforcement. It’s not like if Jon buys a secret copy of GTA and plays it for a week before being busted that he’s ruined and its time for a 30th trimester abortion and a fresh start.
I think a larger problem for the rating is making the top rating toxic. There are many games that should be AO (adults only), I think. But that rating is only seen as for teh porno., so it can’t be handed out. Instead, studios must engage in all sorts of bizarre crap to get it down to an M. The system would work better with less gaming of the ratings.
Arakasi said,
April 27, 2010 at 14:25
If I were an AZ state cop & I still had a soul, I would start demanding the birth certificates of the whitest people I can find- starting with the AZ Republican party. Someone has to face up to the threat of illegal Canadian immigrants.
See, this is funny, especially considering how insidious the Canadian threat is. But the fact remains that there are AZ state cops with souls. (It’s statistically unlikely that there wouldn’t be.) And some of them have to be uneasy about this. And while the whole policing concept is built on chain of command and closing the ranks, there are still AZ cops who don’t like this shit, even if you can’t ever find one who will say so in an interview. Hell, some of the cops are brown themselves, not to mention their families, friends, and neighbors.
I just wish there were some way to connect with them, to support any impulse some of them may have to be dilatory about enforcement, or, as Arakasi suggests, be so very scrupulous about enforcement that it becomes more trouble than it’s worth.
(Please remember that I spend much of my time living in alternate dimensions.)
Uppity Proles might make a good band name…
Yes. It would
Please remember that I spend much of my time living in alternate dimensions.
The 11th has great beer.
Ok, you asked for it:
Shorter Shameless Cunt: So you call teabaggers “haters?” Well, the REAL haters are people who get incensed with our actions to punish the private free speech of others!
Shameless Cunt claims to be a Christian, a Conservative, and a Capitalist. Jesus would SO have bitch-slapped that voice-over guy! And I’m trying to wrap my head around what is so Galtian about hitching a ride on the wingnut welfare train, as Shameless Cunt is doing with her “work” at Freedomworks.
See, this is funny, especially considering how insidious the Canadian threat is.
See? SEE? Pass a national healthcare plan and next thing you know, there’s toques everywhere, stealing our doctors!
Seriously, the last 10-12 years Latin America has moved into real independence, and even the right wing business classes aren’t interested in simply having their countries despoiled for some jerkass foreign investors.
Something to be proud of. Might have happened a hundred years ago if not for America’s imperial phase, or perhaps fifty years ago if the Good Neighbor Policy hadn’t been thrown out completely under Ike and his successors. But at least happened eventually… let’s hope this one’s the right one.
Strangely, you don’t hear a lot from the U.S. media and snotty neo-liberal types who spent the past generation screaming about how awesome Chile’s privatized social security system went.
Like I’ve said… the average Republican/Teabagger, and quite a bit of America, is roughly as informed of what goes on in the outside world as the average Soviet citizen was (with the important difference that the average Soviet knew he was being lied to and wasn’t asking for it). Ask them what they know about European health care if you’re ever looking for a laugh.
Well, but that paints working class white people as victims of immigrants, when really, they’re all victims of the same motherfucking system.
Welcome to the age old reason why there’s no socialism in America.
They must also want a bad economy even worse.
No doubt. Not only will it be bad short-term, but expelling all your low income workees is a great way to prep for any potential recovery.
It’s a dumb law. It’s horrifically and psychotically evil – “where are my papers” indeed. It makes the state look amazingly stupid and is provoking a boycott. Afterall who wouldn’t want to visit a state where you have to cart your passport around all the time?
It’s not even meant to help catch illegal immigrants. The whole idea is to make Arizona so unpleasant for them to live in with random harassment and non-stop fines, that all the illegal immigrants will decide that they’re better off in Mexico.
Well, in that light, the law ain’t so bad after all. The purpose is to make people not want to live in Arizona.
Shorter Shameless Cunt:
well, there’s a surprise! and thanks. I think. (I did ask…).
Welcome to the age old reason why there’s no socialism in America.
[GASP] Are you saying that the system promotes the capitalistic ideal while the vast majority of the people will not see the fruits of that ideal while at the same time defending it?!
I would watch my back if I were you.
Something to be proud of.
I am particularly glad to hear this, after getting about halfway through Shock Doctrine, and having to stop because it hurt too bad.
The whole idea is to make Arizona so unpleasant for them to live in with random harassment and non-stop fines, that all the illegal immigrants will decide that they’re better off in Mexico.
To escape abject poverty, people will have themselves arrested and incarcerated (especially in cold weather), subjecting themselves to weeks or months of shower rapes, bedbugs, and hourly surveillance.
And yet, somehow, throwing a pitiful little challenge like staying one step ahead of a bureaucracy is somehow going to make them screech to a halt and say “Vamanos! Ees too hard to leeve here!”????
Jesus would SO have bitch-slapped that voice-over guy!
If there’s anything that Jesus hates, it’s sticking up for your values, even if it might harm you.
It sounds like a recipe for uppity proles, Actor.
A lazy, discontented rabble instead of a thrifty working class, Mr. Bailey!
That may be a partial factor in certain areas, but in border areas, “Mexican” and “Guatemalan” peasants are part of the same population, and are equal in having zero income, and Mexican peasants are slaughtered pretty frequently by ‘heavily armed groups’ who happen to be doing the work of large landholders, so it’s not like they have any more workers’ rights than Guatemalan migrants.
I think much, much more significant is the evaporation of tens of millions of jobs and the collapse of wages by the replacement of many domestic industries by protected foreign mega-corporations.
It’s not that I have a reason to ‘avoid’ talking about immigrant labor to Mexico, I just haven’t yet seen evidence of it being a large factor.
Anyway, the right wing government of Mexico is more intent on using the astoundingly corrupt military to occupy much of the nation, to push for another massive U.S. anti-narcotics “Plan Mexico” so that they too can get the type of money and military aid we give to Colombia so that drugs production & trafficking can remain the same while the political power of the paramilitary right increases, and to privatize public industries and give them to political cronies.
Clearly, what we need to do to help our immigration problem is to keep devastating the economy of Mexico until there are no other options for the impoverished, empower the federales & soldados to blow the fuck out of civilians in between getting paid off by Mexico-Colombian narco-barons, and then those armed forces can help shut down the few remaining state utilities and powerful unions, with as ever an eye on the grand prize of the oil company “Pemex”.
None of this can possibly be related to anything, any more than Reagan’s hiring of death squads to slaughter & bomb civilians in El Salvador and Guatemala in the 1980s was related to the influx of immigrants into Southern California precisely at a time when the collapsing small business economy of Southern California’s service industries were pressing for cheaper and cheaper labor, hence the 1986 IRCA which was a godsend both to Reagan’s El Salvadoran government death squadders (since 1/3 of the fucking national income came from U.S. remittances from fled workers) and to cheapo restaurants and sanitation companies and lawncare companies etc.
Nothing is related. You dreamt it all up, in some fluoride-induced Communist nightmare.
after getting about halfway through Shock Doctrine, and having to stop because it hurt too bad.
I put it down in January with the intention of picking it up later, but I may just let it stay down. The same with The Long Emergency, which gave me nightmares.
Can someone translate this post into English for me? 🙁
Darn. Think of the ruckus that could be made by hard-working illegal immigrants as they begin to migrate back. Whole gardens could have wrong stuff planted in them, or irrigation systems monkeywrenched. Young white children could miraculously learn some fine Spanish swear words. Banquet dishes could be reshelved wrong. Sugar could be put in the salt shakers. Salt could be put in the giant sugar canisters. Light clothes could be laundered with dark clothes. Suppers could be scorched relentlessly. Instead of dust bunnies collecting under beds, it could be dust chupacabras. Think of all the things that could be done a little wrong.
Nothing is related. You dreamt it all up, in some fluoride-induced Communist nightmare.
*cry* I wish I had. I wish I had!
Evidence suggests that…well, let me put it this way:
We’ve had democracy and capitalism in this nation for roughly 250 years. We have one of the highest standards of living, high enough that even our poor would be pretty well off in any other nation on earth.
It’s a little hard to say that capitalism holds back the fruits of labor from the people who perform that labor, but…
The inequities have certainly grown over the past thirty years. That’s not nearly long enough for people to get frustrated and angry enough to commit revolution, and about one-tenth the amount of time it would take (given current conditions and trends) for a socialist government to be installed.
I would expect that change will be imposed from outside before we in here decide that the government ain’t working right and change it from within.
Actually, the easiest way to end illegal immigration would be to make sure that incomes in the U.S. are no better than Mexico or Central America or the Caribbean, and then migrants simply won’t come.
Don’t blame George Bush Jr., he did his best to bring that about.
It’s not that I have a reason to ‘avoid’ talking about immigrant labor to Mexico, I just haven’t yet seen evidence of it being a large factor.
Vicente Fox claimed it was a quarter million people a year. That’s not small potatoes in a country like Mexico.
I would expect that change will be imposed from outside before we in here decide that the government ain’t working right and change it from within.
Jesus Christ, let’s just get over with it, then.
Or get it over with…whatever. Brain is sleepy.
Jesus Christ, let’s just get over with it, then.
Hey, the Chinese have been barcoding our stops signs for decades now!
Anyway, the right wing government of Mexico is more intent on using the astoundingly corrupt military to occupy much of the nation, to push for another massive U.S. anti-narcotics “Plan Mexico” so that they too can get the type of money and military aid we give to Colombia so that drugs production & trafficking can remain the same while the political power of the paramilitary right increases, and to privatize public industries and give them to political cronies.
America is at a point in its life where it’s completely unable to see the world’s problems and solutions in non-coercive terms. I had to do research on MS-13 a while back and found the same thing being implemented by right-wing governments all over Central America to counter the gang problem, with the FBI looking over their shoulders.
The one and only country I ran across that had any success dealing with the gang problem was Nicaragua – why? Because their leftie government had a crazy idea that once they’d thrown all these gang members in prison, maybe if they worked to rehabilitate them and teach them skills that’d be useful in society, maybe they wouldn’t be as tempted to rejoin the gang once they left. And sure enough, that’s what happened.
Amazing what’ll happen when the government actually tries to solve problems instead of using them for target practice.
Amazing what’ll happen when the government actually tries to solve problems instead of using them for target practice.
Nannystatist!
Let ’em go back to MS13istan, where they belong!
Some more free trade successes that in no way are related to anything regarding immigration to or through Mexico:
Talking about free trade and immigration is illegal and against the Constitution and I will need to see your long form triple vault burf certifat.
Hey, the Chinese have been barcoding our stops signs for decades now!
So, as soon as they stop lending money to us, their plan will be complete? That shouldn’t take too long…
America is at a point in its life where it’s completely unable to see the world’s problems and solutions in non-coercive terms.
Yup. The unwillingness to search for a peaceable solution and the lack of empathy for others from the government on down is a serious, serious fucking problem. The reasons why we bomb the shit out of people and have the largest incarcerated population in the developed world are very much related.
More important “Oh Noes!”
More important “Oh Noes!”
Day late, dollar short, sir.
I present this as evidence of authentic misuse of the German language, and not the newfangled machine-translated kind.
I ain’t goin’ over there, so can someone tell me if our lady of perpetual sorrows, K-Lo, weighed in on this issue? How about anchor-baby Malkin?
In Guatemala there has been an inundation of North American chicken in the domestic market, that has increased its price, despite promises that the free-trade agreement would reduce food costs.
Chicken that’s slaughtered and processed by Mexican immigrants!
Three companies that can DIAF: Tyson, Cargill, and Monsanto.
Three companies that can DIAF: Tyson, Cargill, and Monsanto
That’s also the fourth line for the Phoenix Coyotes tonight.
That’s true, but also in a famous example Case Farms in North Carolina actually went on a recruiting tour to get Guatemalan workers to work in one of their
salmonella and shit spraypoultry processing plants.They didn’t count on the Guatemalan workers, who had survived the god-damned genocidal Reagan-sponsored and directed civil war, to be a bunch of bad-asses and not put up with their shit.
Hm.
You know, if I was an undocumented worker, I’d wonder if going Galt wouldn’t be a good idea.
They didn’t count on the Guatemalan workers, who had survived the god-damned genocidal Reagan-sponsored and directed civil war, to be a bunch of bad-asses and not put up with their shit.
Yes! I’ve heard about that. I think there was a This American Life segment about that, actually.
Another little detour: it amuses me that rural folks get their undies in a twist about immigrants coming into their communities in large numbers because of a multinational company setting up shop there, but blame the immigrants and still buy shit from said multinational company. Maybe y’all should be pissed at Tyson and Cargill for their shitty labor practices, not at the desperate people that help manufacture your $3 package of pre-pressed e coli-laden hamburger patties.
And the fact that selling said patties, as well as weird chicken sandwiches, hot dogs, and ground beef constitutes 90% of Mr. T&U’s job, I can see why he gets cranky.
OT: vindication of economics a la Sue Lowden.
ALL YOUR MCNUGGETS ARE BELONG TO US
BTW, is there any blog more aptly named than “Hot Air”? I think not.
Tyson has instituted slavery all the way up its production chain. The “farmers” who raise the chickens are essentially Tyson sharecroppers and the people who work in the processing plants are typically illegal immigrants – all the better to keep them in line, dontcha know. You don’t have to worry about anyone turning you into the NLRB or anyone else, for that matter, if none of your workers are legal citizens or guests. And you can pay them in chicken poop.
$3 package of pre-pressed e coli-laden hamburger patties.
Hey! That’s seasoning, you damned socialist!
Three companies that can DIAF: Tyson, Cargill, and Monsanto.
Are we making a list?
Halliburton
Blackwater/Xe
And you can pay them in chicken poop.
But that’s the beauty of it, Jennifer — they can use that chicken poop to pay for healthcare! Chickens, chicken poop — what’s the difference? Any kindly family doctor would be happy to exchange a house call for a mere 3 buckets!
It’s a dry
heat.hate.Fixed it. (Please let my strike work. I can’t remember which one it is.)
Are we making a list?
Sure!
Wal-Mart
Massey Energy
Chevron
When the misguided start in on “they’re taking our jobs!!!” schtick, I ask them if they’ll take those jobs- real Polaroid moment, then. I remember living in DC, when there were a lot of central American illegal immigrants running around, working constuction and landscaping and child care and housekeeping. When most of them got amnesty, well, the world didn’t stop spinning on its axis. Life actually got better for them.
We call that Montana.
Ha! In Montana, we call that Wyoming, actor.
Will Michelle Malkin have to carry her passport (assuming she has one) when she goes to Arizona?
El Cid,
bless you for the NC labor tale. I live about an hour east of there, in a major city, and never heard jack fucking shit about this, not on the local NPR, not in the local newspaper. Fuuuck. News to me, and I read the local paper back then. New South neolib asshole MSM local paper.
To nitpick, King Ronnie had a hard on for the war of the Spanish city folks in the valley vs. all those skeery Indians in the hills who must be exterminated, the war long predates King Ronnie. By centuries. Of course, as I commented to a friend after seeing the documentary “Shock Doctrine” last week, note that there’s nothing the GOP won’t overlook overseas, if they’ll carry our water or accept our investment.
Massey Energy? DIAF? Why not just make their execs (and their federal judge in Richmond) work in one of their mines?
Ha! In Montana, we call that Wyoming, actor.
I wonder who Wyoming looks down on?
“El Cid” eh? That sounds vaguely swarthy. I’ll need to see your papers…