From the Department of Pants-Wetting
Here’s some guy named Seixon, who’s suddenly all over the right-blogdoodle apropos the Canadian terrorists story. That’s the one with the Canadian Muslims and the fertilizer.
Not a single prominent liberal blog has even written any kind of real post on the subject. The conservative blogs are all over it this morning, where are the liberal blogs? The predictable georgia10 at DailyKos offers this, finally, after several hours without mentioning it:
Seventeen suspected terrorists were arrested in Canada today; they allegedly planned to use 3 tons of explosive material to blow up a building. And how many times was Canada mentioned during the “border security” debate?
That’s all this story merits, blaming politicians for not taking the border with Canada seriously, even though everyone knows that people like georgia10 don’t perceive there is any real terrorist threat. Atrios, nothing; ThinkProgress, nothing; The Left Coaster, nothing; Crooks & Liars, nothing; and Talking Points Memo, nothing. Why not? Doesn’t terrorism in Canada concern any of them?
Is it perhaps because the story goes against many of the liberal dogmas? Doesn’t this demonstrate that these partisan liberal voices don’t give a damn about terrorism, even while it continues to pop up in places where it doesn’t fit into their propaganda of Blame America First? I wonder what Michael “There Is No Terrorist Threatâ€? Moore has to say about…
Okay. Now, you guys always say that Muslims are trying to take over the world.
One would think that this would be a difficult plan, considering the size of the world and the powerful nations that control it. But clearly all it takes to force Western civilization to its knees is a couple of exploded buses and the occasional alleged half-baked plan to make a bomb out of nitrogen fertilizer.
It’s kind of like World War One, when the Kaiser blew up a couple of London buses and was caught planning to blow up a Paris office building. Both nations would have surrendered if America hadn’t entered the war and bombed a Berlin taxi and a couple of newsstands in Munich. Civilization hung in the balance there for awhile, but Germany folded like a rickety card table.
Then there Was World War Two, when the Nazis blew up a Kosher deli in Strasbourg and terrorized London with a protracted campaign of bombing a couple of buses once and almost attacking an unspecified target every two or three years. Once again America came to the rescue, destroying a greengrocer’s in Hamburg and several furniture stores in Cologne and Berlin. Japan was paralyzed by a threat of satchel charges left in rail stations.
From Varifrank, who’s also suddenly all over the right-blogowumpus:
While were all chattering away about the “Terrible Mexican border Situation” or “Harriet Miers” or the “UAE controlling our ports” or “Muhammad as a Cartoon” or “The NSA is listening to our phone calls”, other people in our communities were working quietly behind the scenes in an effort to kill us. All those made up nightmares pale in comparison to what these people could have accomplished had our professionals not kept their eyes on the ball.
And boys and girls I need to remind you… this was only one cell.
And there are more out there, just waiting for the right moment.
Aieee. Frankly, America and the world will be crushed under the Muslamofascist tide if one more attack hits our teetering physical infrastructure and panic-stricken population, who would rather submit to Islam than face the horror of another 9/11, although on a vastly smaller scale and perpetrated by chumps with access to nothing better than tons of fertilizer proffered by Canadian law agents. Frankly, we are ready to abandon democracy, our necks aching for the yoke of…well whatever — Islam or a new Republican feudalism; it’s all good as long as nothing goes scary-boom.
Actually, here’s a note kept and saved from a time not long ago:
“What the fuck do you think you’re doing?
“This is London. We’ve dealt with your sort before. You don’t try and pull this on us.
“Do you have any idea how many times our city has been attacked? Whatever you’re trying to do, it’s not going to work.
“All you’ve done is end some of our lives, and ruin some more. How is that going to help you? You don’t get rewarded for this kind of crap.
“And if, as your MO indicates, you’re an al-Qaeda group, then you’re out of your tiny minds.
“Because if this is a message to Tony Blair, we’ve got news for you. We don’t much like our government ourselves, or what they do in our name. But, listen very clearly. We’ll deal with that ourselves. We’re London, and we’ve got our own way of doing things, and it doesn’t involve tossing bombs around where innocent people are going about their lives.
“And that’s because we’re better than you. Everyone is better than you. Our city works. We rather like it. And we’re going to go about our lives. We’re going to take care of the lives you ruined. And then we’re going to work. And we’re going down the pub.
“So you can pack up your bombs, put them in your arseholes, and get the fuck out of our city.”
[Originally from the London News Review, reprinted everywhere.]
You can pack up your Depends Undergarments, put them in your arseholes, and get the fuck out of the realm of American discourse.
oh good, the frightwingers have themselves all worked up again. i commute on 405 everyday where fertilizer bombs are the least of my worries
I can assure the wingnuts that the arrest of 17 or whatnot terrorists did not come from MY phone calls (because my company is Quest and, well, I’m not an Islamofacist). Plus, I don’t sell fertilizer (but isn’t that what the GOP is doing with the FMA kerflaffle?).
Good thing DHS pulled all their money out of NYC and re-allocated it to BFE, as it appears all the potential targets of these nitwits resided in Toronto. Perhaps the money should go to Canada?
Oh wait – isn’t gay marriage legal there?
You can pack up your Depends Undergarments, put them in your arseholes, and get the fuck out of the realm of American discourse.
These people will unfortunately always exist. The question is, why are there disproportionately more of them in America than in any other country in the world?
CBC reports on the arrests and so on have been very interesting, mostly because they seem so much more, well, sane compared to anything any American news channel would put out. And even our conservatives are a little tentative to label the suspects as anything more than extremists with little or no connection to mainstream Canadian Muslim culture. Most of the post-Hurricanes/Oilers game news revolved around talking to various Muslims and non-Muslims about what they thought, and it was pretty across the board that they were pissed, but wanted to see what the investigation revealed.
Although I don’t have the time, twould be interesting to do a little cross-border comparison here. How does the response from Canadian politicians, the media, and just normal people compare to what we would hear from south of the border?
Why is this “American discourse?” I understand why you said it, but there’s nothing strictly “American” about abuse of power, avarice, sloth and indifference. Those aren’t phenomena reserved exclusively for America.
The question is, why are there disproportionately more of them in America than in any other country in the world?
Because America is the most hypocritical nation on Earth. Every non-American knows this.
I’m sorry for sounding so angry, but after this weekend, when George Bush’s fucking wah-on-terra starts hitting closer to home, I hope you’ll understand that I’ve…run out of nice
They hate us for not becoming hysterical.
What strikes me most is that the Canadian authorities are taking them to court and will press charges. I suspect if this happened in the U.S., we’d barely hear about it and they’d be shuffled off to Guantanamo without charges and maybe they’d be released or charged with something, sometime.
The sad thing is that I can write the above and firmily believe it to be possible.
I suspect if this happened in the U.S., we’d barely hear about it and they’d be shuffled off to Guantanamo without charges and maybe they’d be released or charged with something, sometime.
Or maybe we’d be watching detailed exposés of what kind of siding is on their houses, what kind of pizza they order, how the neighbours thought it was suspicious that they didn’t separate their recyclables correctly, and eventually, how this all relates to Hillary’s clitoris.
Mal de Mer, you are right..it would be Natalie Holloway without the blond. And Hillary fertilized her lawn once..ther must be a connection.
Fertilizing…lawn…astro-turf…kind of like indoor-outdoor carpeting…carpet?…Carpet-munching? God, that Hillary. What a lesbo!
And leave the Constitution on the clothesline, so your pee-pee will dry out.
I suspect that if this had happened in America, with Dubya and DHS at the helm, the Toronto 17 would not have been noticed until their targets were vaporized. Perhaps that’s why the American response to terrorism is so characteristically hysterical… they don’t catch them in time.
And jeers to any American conservatives who try to capitalize on this to push agenda regarding border control, which is inevitable. This is not a border issue. The targets were all Canadian, as were the residencies or citizenships of the participants. We’ll sort our own shit out, thank you very much.
My god…Imagine if the Mounties had delivered nukes to the would-be terrorists!
NOW will you shut up and submit to unauthorized wiretaps, beyatch?
BTW, I’m happy to see that when an opportunity to describe all the horrible things he’d like to do to Muslims presents itself, Adam Yoshida will consider himself a Canadian again. Now he’s saying he’d like to put them all in a giant microwave, which he calls… drum roll please… a Macrowave. HAHAHAHAHA. And of course the usual garbage about sending them all to concentration camps.
The question is, why are there disproportionately more of them in America than in any other country in the world?
This doesn’t ring true. If it were true, we’d be living in a worse tyranny than North Korea. This kind of jackass will always love authoritarian hierarchy, and without a certain percentage of them, it’s probably hard to keep a real dictatorship going. The problem is there seems to be a greater percentage of them here now than at probably any other time in American history, and if we get any more, they’re going to be stomping on the fingers by which we’re still clinging to some semblance of democratic values, and they may well get the dictator they long for. But America hasn’t really reached that point yet – not quite. It’s just feckin’ scary how close we are.
America is the most hypocritical nation on Earth.
Well, yeah, that’s pretty much a given at this point. *sigh* It is a rotating title though. The USSR and China also held it at various points in the 20th century, and the British pretty much owned that sucker through most of the 19th century.
Some of the news outlets here have been a wee bit on the hysterical side (CityTV Toronto even made up a graphic – Terrorism in the GTA, I think – complete with ominous music), but on most of the call-in shows there’s someone mentioning “innocent until proven guilty” for everyone spouting “we are not safe!” nonsense. Plus our law enforcement agencies are pretty well-funded and work well together.
Oh no! you didn’t just link to S**xon, did you? (cries)
S**xon is a Gary Whoopee style bloviator. In another thirty seconds he’s gonna be over here and post 134 long pompous comments within the space of 20 minutes.
I’ve encountered Seixon before on a very right-wing message board – it has to be him, there can’t be two impossibly bitter Republican lickspittles calling themselves Seixon and living in Norway. Anyway, the guy was bound and determined to debunk the John Hopkins study on Iraqi mortality rates the Lancet published in 2004. His arguments varied from “I took an introductory stats course once and I don’t like the methodology,” to “Epidemiologists at the CDC who endorse the methodology are liars,” to “the Iraqi people who responded to the survey are liars,” to – and this is my favourite – “I don’t like the word choice a reporter used in discussing the study with a third party at the CDC. Clearly there’s a conspiracy between the Lancet, the press, and the CDC.” That’s what 23 pages of argument boiled down to. That and a lot of exclamation marks.
My point is, the guy’s desperately dishonest intellectually. Mr. M. (Gavin to his friends, I guess) gave up far, far too much precious server space in discussing his views.
I’m finding the coverage of this incident in Toronto as well as the reaction to it to be refreshingly sane.
Most of the post-Hurricanes/Oilers game news revolved around talking to various Muslims and non-Muslims about what they thought, and it was pretty across the board that they were pissed, but wanted to see what the investigation revealed.
Exactly, and to follow up – EAT IT, OILERS!
Now, so GWB is truly protecting us or else those Canadians wouldn’t have arrested those guys. How’s that, Seixon?
Exactly, and to follow up – EAT IT, OILERS!
And piggy-backing on Yosef’s comment, how about that Josh Beckett, more like Josh Suckett!!1!!
Way to get crushed by the replacement-level Yankees.
I think all the lefty bloggers should be pointing out that the Canadians somehow managed to disrupt a planned terrorist attack without trashing their civil liberties, spying on the Quakers, villifying the opposition parties, ruining their international reputation, torturing suspects, and interning all the Muslims. Yet, for some reason, the US government is completely incapable of doing the same.
Hm….
To our understandably anxious wingmen we suggest Five Beaker Protection, a change of socks, and a soothing buttwipe every two hours.
And maybe Hinderocket can ask his “contacts” about the schedule for Operation Moose Turd Pie, our long-planned Yukon invasion to deprive the MongolianIslamoJihadist hordes of their infiltration route over the Polar icecap. Knowing that fertilizer-yakbombs have been stopped at somebody’s border should sooth the fevered brow of Wingnuttistan’s blogging elite.
Then they can resume their reasoned discourse about flagburning, homo-nups, and the coming Mexicanization of the gringo-sphere.
Dorothy beat me to the punch, but I too am amazed that Canadian law enforcement can stop terrorism and prosecute terrorists without the Patriot act. Next you’ll try to tell me war can be waged without ignoring the Geneva Conventions, and that’s just crazy talk.
You guys are correct in the way you are seeing this event. However, it is entirely unrealistic to expect the wingnuts to see it logically, dispassionately, reasonbly. To recognize that this is clear evidence that we are pretty safe over here and if we didn’t invade and threaten other nations and actually START wars, we would not actually be at war. I can tell you what Right Blogistan and Faux News will take from this. Ready? Here we go:
FEAR!!!!
TERROR ATTACKS!!!
CELLS IN PLACE IN NORTH AMERICA!!!!
WE ARE AT TERRIBLE RISK!!!!
WE NEED MORE GOVERNMENT SURVEILLANCE!!!
WE NEED MORE CONCENTRATION CAMPS!!!!
WE NEED TO KILL MORE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT LIKE US!!!!!
NUKES!!! AIRSTRIKES!!!! TORTURE!!!! IRAN!!!!
There. Wasn’t that fun?
mikey
Seixon is insane. You want to make him explode. Start talking about the Lancet report. KERPLOOEY
The wingnuts are kinda like The Button on “Lost;” every 108 minutes, they shit them selves, right on schedule (not that The Button shits itsself on Lost…). And then they spend the next 108 minutes smearing the shit all over the sweaty folds of their fat, naked bodies, wondering why nobody likes them much.
Frankly, if I were writing my own political blog, I probably wouldn’t have written about the Canadian arrests, or at best would have mentioned it in passing. Early on, there weren’t many useful details to be had. It may be a while before anybody knows if this is a case with any merit, or if it’s more of another Arar-type of thing (not that I’m saying it is). I, for one, when a government says someone is a terrorist want to know what proof they have of this, ‘cos the US government has been playing pretty fast and loose with little details like “evidence.”
I’m glad that the Canadians are getting the job done by clamping down on potential terrorists,
particularly since the U.S. government has been completely ineffective in that regard.
The Canadians, Brits, and the Pakistanis have been a lot more effective than we have.
Our only successes against terrorists have been…well…let me think…
we got Bid Laden, well almost…
but we caught the guy sending anthrax through the mail…or maybe not.
For sure we got the Chinese scientist…no wait, he was only guilty of taking his work home.
Ah ha! The shoe bomber…ok, so it was the airline passengers who caught him, not the Feds.
Moussauoui – Yes! Too bad the FBI dropped the ball on that one.
We’ll, we’ve still got the Canadians to get the job done.
No MSG, this actually is indirectly a cross-border issue, since two of the suspects were already being held on charges of attempting to smuggle guns from the US (everytime a US politician complains about our lax policies towards marijuana, I get angry at their lax policies towards gun control).
While I hope this operation was carried out with due process and diligence, I can’t shake the feeling that much of this incident was hyped up to increase Harper’s prestige (especially to his friends in the Bush administration, who all slapped him on the back after the arrests). I think the paramilitary forces called up to guard the courthouse during their arraignment was rather excessive and probably mostly for show.
In Canada, we know all our politicians are scum. 😉
Smuggling guns into the U.S.?!? Isn’t that sorta a “coal to Newcastle” sort of proposition?