Will wingnuttery ever go too far?
Egad. I never thought it would come to this:
In an apparent reference to John McCain, Beck condemned a “guy in the Republican Party who says his favorite president is Theodore Roosevelt.” He then read disapprovingly the Roosevelt quote that “we grudge no man a fortune in civil life if it is honorably obtained and well used . . . so long as the gaining represents benefit to the community.”
“Is this what the Republican Party stands for?” Beck demanded. He was answered with boos and cries of “no!” “It’s big government, it’s a socialist utopia and we need to address it as if it is a cancer.”
I have mixed views on Teddy Roosevelt myself. He did some good stuff at home — Busting the trusts! National parks! Sanitation standards at meat-packing plants! — while leading a horrific neocons-on-‘roids foreign policy abroad.
But dudes. You’ve already been engaged in a death struggle with one Roosevelt (Franklin) for the past several decades. Are you sure it’s really time to open up a second front? And once you’ve vanquished those two, how far back will you go? Does Abe Lincoln get tossed over the side for his failure to protect states’ rights (I’m pretty sure he does, yes)? Will you guys rethink your adoration of Thomas Jefferson when you realize that he was at heart just a hippie farmer boy? How much further will Teh Crazy take you?
How many times did Nixon quote that TR routine about the man in the arena?
How many times did Nixon quote that TR routine about the man in the arena?
Other than Reagan, do Republicans actually *like* any of the people they elected president? They hate the Bushes (though they loved Junior before he became a political albatross), Nixon had nice things to say about Keynes, Ike was a RINO, Teddy Roosevelt was apparently a collectivist commie, Abe Lincoln disrespected, ahem, “states’ rights.” Yep, other than Reagan, they hate everyone they’ve ever elected president. And I’m pretty sure if Reagan were alive today they’d purge him too.
You’ve already been engaged in a death struggle with one Roosevelt (Franklin) for the past several decades. Are you sure it’s really time to open up a second front?
We will never rest until the Axis of Roosevelt is defeated!
WOLVERINES!!
“we grudge no man a fortune in civil life if it is honorably obtained and well used . . . so long as the gaining represents benefit to the community.”
I want to make sure I understand this. Forget the rising tide that lifts all boats. Glenn Beck has just come out in favour of socially destructive economic activity?
So…polluting factories next to schoolyards? OK! Salmonella in the chicken and E. coli in the water? OK! Kidnapping for ransom, crack dealing, Murder Inc.? OK!
There is no peak wingnut. Forget what you learned from Dante. Hell does not have a bottom.
And FYWP for eating the first version of this post. Spam, my Aunt Fanny.
Glenn Beck has just come out in favour of socially destructive economic activity?
Why do you think he lurved the bailout at first? Gotta subsidize the guys wrecking the economy, baby!
Glenn Beck has just come out in favour of socially destructive economic activity?
How could he not? His show comprises economic activity, and his rhetoric is socially destructive.
Hey, if anyone wants to lend assistance, the wingnuts have been preventing certain posters from criticizing Lisa Murkowski on the Juneu Empire web page.
Alaska is in need of inervention from all directions, sadly,no should be included in the equasion.
The favorite villans are in place here. There is already some organized resistance, but censorshipis rampid. PleASE help. Register and commnt about saving Lisa Murkowski’s lost soul.
http://www.juneauempire.com/stories/021910/sta_565024520.shtml#mdw-comments
Keep vgilant there and look for schicanery daily. America needs you.
It’s a chore , but if some free speech advocates show up at the JE to do attacks, it will blend in real well with the locals who call Art Chance something born of a butthole…
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Good post, kayDee.
You only left out a couple things. Lisa’s appointment was tainted by clear violation of the ethics act banning nepotism, and her election was tainted by irregularities where she received more votes in certain districts than there were voters.
Election overseen by Loren Leeman.
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” Posted by: fromdustreturned at Feb. 20, 2010 at 7:22:58 pm
Well, as I recall, every single time I have ever posted scientific papers from peer-reviewed research on climate, not a single person has ever been able to discuss them or even bothered to actually read them, much less be able to discuss whether the great brou-haha over data sets and emails even vaguely affects their conclusions or methods. So until one of you steps up to the plate, I would submit that the current intellectual discourse fits the grunting and pointing of the far-right quite well.”
Thanks for that comment, FDR.
This a typical response, people attempt to weigh true facts data or facts and reproducable science with some fantastic concoction produced by dropouts.
It happens with science. It happens with the Attorney General’s office. I figure the state itself has a lot to loose in federal funding. Way more than the 1.5 million they’re spending on their other folly.
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Lost: One soul
Last seen in vicinity of Alaska in about 1982.
If found Please contact:
Lisa Murkowski for U.S. Senate
P. O. Box 100847 Anchorage, AK 99510
campaign@LisaMurkowski.com
Thinking about others is theft.
A square is the perfect representation of Communist-utopian repression, given the uniform, entrepreneurship-crushing “equal” sides and “equal” angles, and therefore ever since the Square Deal we have basically been a totalitarian liberal fascist Communist state.
Also, inspection of meat is theft.
Does Abe Lincoln get tossed over the side for his failure to protect states’ rights (I’m pretty sure he does, yes)? Will you guys rethink your adoration of Thomas Jefferson when you realize that he was at heart just a hippie farmer boy? How much further will Teh Crazy take you?
I can’t wait for them to find out George Washington grew hemp.
About the only Founder they’d actually tolerate would be Hamilton – he of the “we need to keep the slobbeing masses from challenging rich people’s rights” philosophy.
Yeah, stealing elections is truly diabolical. It happened while papa Murky was in the throne. Except for the fact that extortion mechanism is in place, it would be more public information.
The Democrats droppped it bacause they are just as sleazy as Leeza and the other thugs in the last frontier.
he of the “we need to keep the slobbeing masses from challenging rich people’s rights” philosophy.
Slobbering masses need their targets, too. But Hamilton is dead now…
[H]ow far back will you go?
The conservative movement in this country, from the earliest, was intent on making a feudal theocracy. They wanted a king and were miffed when all they got was a strong executive. They wanted to enshrined Protestant Christianity and were pissed that they couldn’t deport all the Jews. Hell, until Thomas Paine came along and made it untenable, they were still toasting to the health of King George.
Trust-busting is the death panels of Teddy Roosevelt fascism.
Well, Jon, I was going to say the Dark Ages, but you’re right – that Papist codswallop would never fly.
I think they are shooting for Dark Ages level education with a good shot of John Calvin’s “Being rich proves God loves ya, baby”.
They wanted a king and were miffed when all they got was a strong executive.
The wingnuts were PO’d when they realized they got what they asked for at the polls.
Then the wingnuts that wanted to stay with what they got were upset when the ‘political landmine’ showed up.
You’ve already been engaged in a death struggle with one Roosevelt (Franklin) for the past several decades.
Guessing they aren’t big Roosevelt Franklin fans, either.
Back in those days, the poor were also in that poor part of the city because they were ‘evil.’
Glenn Beck has just come out in favour of socially destructive economic activity?
He would never see it that way himself, since he has no concept of just what that “society” thing is all about. It’s every man for himself, right?
never like getting all ‘-istest’, on your arse, but all these purity tests and pledges in the GoP do remind me off all the infighting in student socialist and communist parties when I were a lad. ‘You don’t believe in the anarcho-captilist phraseology in a Rosa Luxembourg speech given to Porteguese peasants, then brother, you are a capitalist running dog’….
where does it all end with these fuckers, I’m hoping ‘Life of Brian’, but I’m thinking more the (real) Spanish Inquisition. With their love of torture & all….
The search for peak wingnut continues.
I suspect we’ll discover cold fusion first.
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Ronald Reagan’s grandmother, Margaret Thatcher, proved that “there is no such thing as society”. Therefore it is about nothing, and society is theft.
Also, Health & Safety Rules are theft, and Menchevikism
well, they still love Calvin Coolidge. And maybe Warren Harding. What a collection of intellectual giants: Reagan, Coolidge and Harding…
Don’t forget McKinley! If only we could go back to a combination of McKinley-era non-regulation of robber barons and openly declared imperialism and pre-Civil War era cultural and civil norms, we could finally have our country back.
He would never see it that way himself, since he has no concept of just what that “society” thing is all about. It’s every man for himself, right?
As there wet dream nurse, Maggie, put it; ‘There is no such thing as society, only individuals’. Second only in bullshit comments to; ‘Only Losers take the bus’ (well not quite in those words, but I cant be arsed looking u the quote).
Wait, manischewitz is theft? It’s awfully sweet, but theft?
Pere Ubu
Are you kidding? Hamilton is America’s greatest Monster.
I kinda expected the wingnuts to hate Teddy for the trust-busting and environmentalism, but I’m amazed they latched onto such a mild statement to get enraged over. They’ll be pronouncing fatwas on people who claim water flows downhill next…
About the only Founder they’d actually tolerate would be Hamilton – he of the “we need to keep the slobbeing masses from challenging rich people’s rights” philosophy.
A pox on you, good sir. Or, to use the vernacular of your own time “Goddamn your confusion.” Verily I have always loved REM.
Rather, I should say, these hoi polloi would be quite taken with Burr. Swartmout. Van Ness, peut etre. That whole sick crew. Perhaps even, to his own eternal humiliation, Adams. Mine coeval Adams, not his descendants, as one can hardly picture Henry being sufficiently beholden to the interests of Israel, har har.
Yours in Christ,
Alexander Hamilton
The search for peak wingnut continues.
Thunderpants is a ‘Peaker’?
All the kewl kids round here have abandoned peak wingnut theory.
Verily I have always loved REM.
What, you listened to them on the iPod you carved from a branch or something?
Shenanigans, I say!
What, you listened to them on the iPod you carved from a branch or something?
Vinyl LPs actually. Which were about one notch above carved-from-a-branch technology.
Don’t forget McKinley! If only we could go back to a combination of McKinley-era non-regulation of robber barons and openly declared imperialism and pre-Civil War era cultural and civil norms, we could finally have our country back.
You’re off by 40 years. The 13th Amendment is Theft!
Ronald Reagan’s grandmother, Margaret Thatcher – El Cid
I always thought that St. Ronnie was St. Maggie’s boy-toy.
And I agree with the A-man himself: today’s right-wingers wouldn’t like Hamilton either … he was against “states’ rahts”, wasn’t he?
IIRC, their favorite founding-father-type was John Randolph of Roanoke — except Roanoke rooted for Muslims once and freed his slaves (posthumously). Today’s “conservatives” are Quids, certainly. And I’m sure “even the liberal media” would happily praise the Quids for their “bipartisanship”. Which I think tells us all we need to know about our current discourse.
The only legitimate government of the United States was under the Articles of Confederation, and of course the CSA.
I think it was Gore Vidal who first brought to the attention of the general public the real reason Burr challenged Hamilton to a duel: that Hamilton had commented around town that Burr was having an incestuous affair with his daughter. I’m not surprised that Burr didn’t aim the pistol elsewhere than at Hamilton’s sorry carcass at the last moment; a gentlemanly gesture like that would lead one to the inference that Burr thought he was dealing with an actual gentleman.
Sounds about right for the wingnuts: they are fond of what Will Cuppy called “the rougher forms of political argument.”
So Glenn Beck is coming right out and admitting that GOP economic philosophy boils down to “fuck you, I got mine,” but somehow it’s us liberals who are waging class warfare?
“So Glenn Beck is coming right out and admitting that GOP economic philosophy boils down to “fuck you, I got mine,” but somehow it’s us liberals who are waging class warfare?”
At least he’s not being “condescending”.
As long as Thatcher and her bullshit quote about there being no such thing as society has been brought up, I feel it’s only fair to note the Iron Lady was – surprise, surprise – a complete fucking hypocrite when it came to her little theory:
When intense rioting broke out over (I think it was) the Poll Tax, Maggie went on tv to address the British Nation, begging people to listen to reason and not descend to the level of a mob. So all of a sudden, there was such a thing as society after all…just as soon as the whole “every man for himself” attitude so beloved by today’s wingnuts began to inconvenience Mrs. Thatcher herself and her government. Gasp! Who’d have thunk it?
Don’t forget that Lincoln supported socialized education (land-grant colleges), socialized medicine (for Civil War vets), redistribution of wealth (income tax), and was against wars of choice and conquest (opposed the Mexican War). Probably one of them liberal fascists.
Originally the idea was to get things back to the way they were before the Trusts were Busted, so Teddy was always on the target list. But things have gone so well for the “stand athwart history yelling ‘back up!’ crowd” that I think the target’s moved. 11 Century here we come!
“we grudge no man a fortune in civil life if it is honorably obtained and well used . . . so long as the gaining represents benefit to the community.”
GASP! So which part does Beck most disdain? Considering how much he’s paid and what he does for it I’m guessing the honorable attainment, but benefit to the community has to rankle like Hell, too.
John D,
Also, Maggie Thatcher supported socialized medicine, a beloved feature of British society she never would have dared attack.
The presidential straw poll at CPAC gave Sarah Palin 7%. What’s with that?
Actually, I don’t think the states-rights fetishists would like Hamilton, either–he was a Federalist, wasn’t he?
I’d pay money to see Roosevelt Grier (even at 77) versus Glenn Beck.
I don’t think we need to go quite that far back to find a Republican specimen worthy of the modern party’s admiration. Just think Hoover.
The presidential straw poll at CPAC gave Sarah Palin 7%. What’s with that?
There were plenty of interns and hangers-on to fap with/to/on, so their sex drive is temporarily sated. After a few months in Mom’s basement, though, ol’ Sarah will start looking pretty darn good to ’em again, you betcha.
Do you think Beck, or any of those who hang on his every word, is even aware that he just made a case for allowing South American drug cartels to operate without hindrance in this country? Yes, I’m sure as soon as we step off and stop begrudging them all the fortune they’ve dishonorably gained and used to assassinate judges and political leaders who get in their way, and the detriment said gaining represents to the larger community…then we will have reached conservative utopia.
“Will wingnuttery ever go too far?”
Here are two wikipedia articles on the subject;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_Window_Theory
The above describes more or less what’s been happening in the United States for the last thirty or forty years. The right keeps moving right, excluding more and more policy models as they go while introducing more and more psychotically irrational ones. Give it another decade, and they’ll be publicly excluding Lincoln too (“Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.”) Another after that, and the Founding Fathers’ heads will be on the chopping block as well. Hell, give it enough time and distance from the present and they’ll even start calling Reagan a socialist traitor who was soft on terrorists (by teabagger standards he already is, it’s just not fashionable to say it out loud).
And no matter how far right they go, the public goes along with it, because of this;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_to_moderation
Nah. It’s true that Hoover considered adherence to his bullshit ideology more important than dealing with the Great Depression and had Douglas MacArthur lead a military assault on helpless unemployed veterans. But despite these positive achievements, before he became president Hoover actually did efficiently provide famine relief for millions of starving people in post-World War I Europe. That’s a clear violation of fundamental Randian principles.
Probably.
Reagan had many of the qualities that wingnuts find attractive – low mental wattage, reactionary instincts, love of vicious right-wing dictators, etc. But it now appears that he had an unforgiveable flaw: he was squeamish about torture. That sort of wimpiness won’t cut it in today’s post-Cheney Republican Party.
Aw FYWP.
deleted link to website which WP will not let me postPee Eee En Eye eSs reference. Ghey P_E_N_I_S reference. The most thinly veiled you know what reference EVAH!
FYWP. Is it the “gee ey why” word?
Maybe not. IS it the “gee ay why” in the linkydinky?
Apparently. The headline at military.com: Gay Guardsman Still Drills With Unit
Okay, WTF? One more time….
The headline at military.com: Gay Guardsman Still Drills With Unit
With that headline, who actually needs the link?
“And no matter how far right they go, the public goes along with it”
Um, really? The press may stupidly “teach the controversy” or seek a bullshit “compromise,” but I (still, God knows why) think many people are just repelled by the extremism. Hence, at least thus far, Sarah Palin’s limited approval ratings.
It never really occurred to me that Beck et al would get WORSE, but maybe they have to, like the ever-moving shark in Annie Hall. In which case–talk about the old lefty strategies–might it pay to enhance the contradictions? Ie, to encourage and goad them to become more extreme? And document the whole sordid, hilarious process?
Pound for pound, Hoover is the modern right-wing writ-large. When I run game theoretical simulations on what would happen if a Glenn Beck or Newt Gingrich were running the show and taking cues from conservative intelligentsia (as it were), I use a reincarnated Herbert “The Markets Will Figger It Out” Hoover con nuclear arsenal. The Earth doesn’t trend well under these circumstances.
On Beck: The guy is a ratings whore. Doesn’t matter what he has to do to get the eyes, he’ll do it. Keep this in mind the next time he’s critiquing John Lennon lyrics or seeming baffled by the outrage: or indeed seeming outraged by the outrage.
Mr. W–I think you’re falling for the old “Peak Wingnut” fallacy. The idea that eventually they will go so far to the right that everyone will finally come to their senses and recognize how batschit nutzo they all are. The current prevailing theory is that there is no cliff over there on the right side of the road. No guardrails, no barrow pit, nothing.
I’m just making a brief cameo to add a Dash Cam: Grainy cell phone footage of our young hero talking to his BFF, the Baby Who Lives in the Mirror.
Even worse, Jefferson believed in (gasp!) public education!
He founded the University of Virginia, and believed that education was a key element of a functioning democracy.
This would definitely put him at odds with St. Ronnie, who, while governor of California, saw the UC system and its students as enemies of the state.
That is a cool baby. Hope all is well.
On Beck: The guy is a ratings whore. Doesn’t matter what he has to do to get the eyes, he’ll do it. Keep this in mind the next time he’s critiquing John Lennon lyrics or seeming baffled by the outrage: or indeed seeming outraged by the outrage.
I am still perplexed by the barking.
Love the Dash! Although I can’t tell what he’s saying, it seems clear that he really means it.
You can hear TR taking Beck head-on right here:
He’s taking on the idea that “the history of liberty is the history of limited government.” He says this is true where the government is despotism. But where the people directly elect the government, liberty is preserved through active government. “We propose to extend governmental power in order to extend liberty for the wageworkers from the oppressor.”
Reagan had many of the qualities that wingnuts find attractive – low mental wattage, reactionary instincts, love of vicious right-wing dictators, etc. But it now appears that he had an unforgiveable flaw: he was squeamish about torture.
Then there was his support of the Brady Bill, which you occasionally hear about from the fringier sort of wingnut. I’m most curious to see whether Iran-Contra will one day be retconned as liberal adventurism. I think Ollie North and Michael Ledeen have to die before that happens, but once they do I’m guessing that we’ll start hearing about how the true conservatives in the administration opposed it, while a sadly diminished Reagan was gulled or misinformed by lefties like Caspar Weinberger, etc., etc.
“He’s taking on the idea that “the history of liberty is the history of limited government.” He says this is true where the government is despotism. But where the people directly elect the government, liberty is preserved through active government. “We propose to extend governmental power in order to extend liberty for the wageworkers from the oppressor.””
True. Too many people fail to understand that oppression can exist without government, in which case government action is usually the only way to remedy things.
Black people who owe their rights to federal government action know better than to believe the “Government = Tyranny” shit. So do working-class union voters who remember the Gilded Age and who put an end to it. But not enough people in the rest of the country do.
I’m very emphatically no fan of Hoover’s, but absolute blind faith in the markets was more characteristic of uber-reactionary Treasury Secretary Andrew Mellon than of Hoover.
That Maoist hippie bastard!!!
Input from The Shrill One on the health care front;
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/20/health-care-game-on/
Shorter Paul Krugman; “Conservatives will freak out, but who gives a shit.”
Isn’t this true of an equilateral triangle or ANY regular polygon, be it a pentagon, hexagon, octagon, etc?
Teddy Roosevelt?
“Rough Riders” Teddy Roosevelt?
“Battle Of San Juan Hill” Teddy Roosevelt?
“Yeah, okay, so I just got shot point-blank with a pistol by some nutjob, big fat hairy deal – I’m still going to finish this fuckin’ speech anyway because I can’t even feel the bullet over the wicked buzz of being so totally goddamned hardcore” Teddy Roosevelt?
“A man, a plan, a canal – Panama” Teddy Roosevelt?
“Give Me Five Minutes Alone With Him In A Locked Room & I Will Make Chuck Norris Cry Like A Little Girl” Teddy Roosevelt?
“I eat railroad spikes & shit barbed wire – & I FUCKING LOVE EVERY SECOND OF IT” Teddy Roosevelt?
That Teddy Roosevelt?
Srsly?
Dude makes Bruce Willis look like Don Knotts, machismo-wise. Are the Goopers going all fruity-poot metrosexual on us now or what?
So other than the Federal Reserve, the powers of which conservatives object to not being given to it until the Depression, what about Woodrow Wilson does Glenn Beck object to? Entrance into WWI? Throughing Eugene Debs in prison? Being an all around white supremicist?
You know I’d still take a government that only helps rich people to keep the economy more stable over the keep niggers inline, fight wars anarcho-capitalism of the tea-parties.
How much further will Teh Crazy take you?
Boy, talk about a well with no bottom…
so long as the gaining represents benefit to the community.
Wingnuts officially come out against benefiting the community?
Finally!
I’m not surprised that Sarah Palin didn’t get the nod, but I fear it’s not because her ideology is too hard core for it to be acceptable.
Sarah Palin really has no ideology. What she believes in is Herself. She plays team politics for the Right Wing Team, but there isn’t a single original thought in her head, policy-wise.
I think the reason she didn’t get the votes in the straw poll is that even wingnuts are smart enough to figure out she’s unreliable, stupid, and unstable.
Which is why all that socialistical geometry nonsense must be purged from our educational system.
“Sarah Palin really has no ideology. What she believes in is Herself. She plays team politics for the Right Wing Team, but there isn’t a single original thought in her head, policy-wise.”
Could say that about any of them. In a world where anyone who deviates from the party line no matter how slightly – like McCain or Huckabee – is slammed as a “RINO,” a “liberal” and a “socialist,” people who believe only in themselves pretty much have to goose-step to CPAC’s beat.
Palin’s just more shameless and up-front about it than most of the fuckers. But only a little.
“I think the reason she didn’t get the votes in the straw poll is that even wingnuts are smart enough to figure out she’s unreliable, stupid, and unstable.”
That.
And she’s a woman. I wonder how much that factors in? One of my knee-jerk conservative (female) friends told me back in the election that the reason she didn’t like Palin was because she was running for office instead of staying at home and watching the babies, as is proper for a woman with a family. Toss in the “woman + power = bad” superstition still prevalent for so many of the hicks…
The equilateralists must be opposed at every turn.
“Community” is formed out of the same root as “commune” and “communist”.
Obama earlier this month:
They’re making concerted effort to limit their own ability to negotiate with reality. Keep painting toward that corner! It’s the ideologically pure thing to do.
Surprised no one brought this up, but Noquist confirmed awhile ago that the pre-TR era is really the goal of the conservative movement:
Even dead, Teddy & Franklin could easily kick Beck’s flabby ass all the way to the moon. And any other faux conservative who looked at them crosseyed.
That plus the likelihood that Palin doesn’t seriously intend to run for office and is just taking advantage of the situation to squeeze some fat speaker’s fees out of unwary supporters.
But while the conservative activists seem to be aware of this stuff, I think the wingnut rank and file are still being suckered by her shtick. And that’s fine by me.
Love the Dash! Although I can’t tell what he’s saying, it seems clear that he really means it.
“All the world’s mad except thee and me, and I’m not entirely sure about thee.”
Tonight I’m gonna party like it’s 1899.
Beck and Palin are itinerant fire-and-brimstone preachers/snake oil salespeople. They’re riding this paranoid bubble for what it’s worth, pushing the radicalization and reduction of the right wing’s frame of rhetoric for their own ends.
Tonight I’m gonna party like it’s 1899.
You’re going to contract tuberculosis and get blacklisted from employment for being a malingerer?
Oh, you silly sociamalists. It’s teh mustache, obviously! Hitler had a mustache. Stalin had a mustache. G. Gordon Liddy had-wait.
A lot of the Robber Barons lost every penny in the unregulated markets. Sure, new ones would sprout like mushrooms in shit, but they too were ‘unprotected’ and could be ruined by minor events. And look how many wealthy people leaped to their deaths after The Crash!
Right now Gov’t protects the Lamprey Eels of Wall Street, while leaving crumbs here and there for the ‘poor’ to scrounge. And the Lamprey Eels call it “Ewww- Socialism!”
F-ing Retreads.
At least Republicans have become willing to bash other Republicans.
“At least Republicans have become willing to bash other Republicans.”
One of the only things that gives me hope for the future.
Not only that, but any legislation designed to ameliorate my plight is going to get thrown out by the Supreme Court as ‘restraint of trade’! Good times, good times.
They might really go for Grant. Or Hayes, hell, didn’t Hayes steal an election too?
I am still perplexed by the barking.
He’s a dry drunk, also.
You’re going to contract tuberculosis and get blacklisted from employment for being a malingerer?
The Germ Theory of Disease is a liberal plot to destroy our
freedomfreedumb.“Yes, the McKinley era, absent the protectionism,” he agrees, is the goal. “You’re looking at the history of the country for the first 120 years, up until Teddy Roosevelt, when the socialists took over. The income tax, the death tax, regulation, all that.”
Jesus, he is so fucking ignorant. A progressive income tax and an inheritance tax began in 1862, and went on for 10 years. The only reason the McKinley era didn’t have income taxes was because the Supreme Court said the way the feds were apportioning it was unconstitutional. Plus, if you get rid of all these taxes, where does the money come from? There was a reason McKinley was pro-tariff, so “McKinley era without the protectionism” is about as likely to succeed as SCUBA with no air.
Also, and more importantly, the Dash video won’t load for me. WANT TO SEE!
Dash videos are the Guernica of infantile fascism.
Also, and more importantly, the Dash video won’t load for me. WANT TO SEE!
Umm… I don’t know how to fix that for you. It’s on my facebook profile if you’re on FB. Or I could e-mail it to you, but I don’t have your addy handy…
Got off the boat for Mr. Freedumb. So much for libertarians priding themselves on rationality. Replace “disease” with “sin” and all you’re left with is a whinier version of Pat Robertson.
“McKinley era without the protectionism” is about as likely to succeed as SCUBA with no air.
The ‘double wetsuit’ school of fiscal policy.
Hey, fifth times the charm, it loaded! Very cute, boy is he vocal!
“How much further will Teh Crazy take [batshit nuts right wingers]?”
How much space is there in the universe?
RE: the daily Studebaker, I am sort of loving the iffy video quality. It looks a bit like 60s home movie stuff. Pretty cool.
The kid’s nifty too.
The ‘double wetsuit’ school of fiscal policy.
hahaha
The fact is, all liberals want to do is take my freedom away with big government and socialism. I want no laws but leave me alone and no system but the free market.
Got off the boat for Mr. Freedumb. So much for libertarians priding themselves on rationality. Replace “disease” with “sin” and all you’re left with is a whinier version of Pat Robertson.
They can take my colloidal silver when they pry it from my cold, blue fingers.
WOLVERINES!!!SMURFS!!!It’s good to see the Lady Doctor Missus Mommy posting- Dash is the Cute-ation.
A sense of nostalgia is all well and fine, but come on.
I can just see it,
feh.
Oh, and fuck Grover Norquist in the neck with a rusty Garden Weasel. Sideways.
“You’re looking at the history of the country for the first 140 years, up until William the Bastard, when the socialists took over.”
FRENCH socialists.
If there’s anything we should have learned from the Old Testament, it’s that pastoralists and sheep-herders rock, and we’ve just gone downhill since settled agriculture.
How about that hippie Jesus?
“A square is the perfect representation of Communist-utopian repression, given the uniform, entrepreneurship-crushing “equal” sides and “equal” angles”
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“Isn’t this true of an equilateral triangle or ANY regular polygon, be it a pentagon, hexagon, octagon, etc?”
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The Pentagon is Communist? Stop signs are Communist? (Well, they are red…)
The Pentagon would be Communist if it didn’t have guns, or at least people who intended guns to be used, thus defeating the communistical equilateralism of its liberal socialist architects.
It’s too bad reincarnation doesn’t work in reverse. I’d like nothing better than for Grover Norquist to come back as a McKinley-era coal miner, railroad porter, factory worker—basically, any kind of hard job unprotected by the “regulation” he so casually despises.
McJohn said,
February 21, 2010 at 17:39
“I think it was Gore Vidal who first brought to the attention of the general public the real reason Burr challenged Hamilton to a duel: that Hamilton had commented around town that Burr was having an incestuous affair with his daughter…”
Vidal has admitted making this up out of whole cloth. His “Burr” is, after all, a work of fiction.
Truth is, Burr challenged Hamilton because the latter accused him of treason and sabotaged his campaign for governor of New York. A group of Federalists had come up with a scheme to form a breakaway “Northern Confederacy,” of which they promised Burr the presidency in return for his engineering of New York’s secession from the union.
Burr later tried the same trick with the southwest states, with the understanding that he would be Emperor of an enlarged Mexico. For that, he was almost hanged.
Really? No one else saw Beck’s complaint as a convenient one-size-fits-all excuse for criminality?
I used the example of drug lords. Suppose it was just guys who are really good at breaking and entering and fencing computers and electronics? Or stealing cars? Since according to Beck it’s not right to begrudge someone from accumulating wealth however possible, and it’s “big government, socialist utopia, and a cancer” to insist that there should be some legal guidelines as to how wealth is accumulated and spent (i.e. it should result in some “benefit to the community” in both the gaining and spending), why bother with having laws against drug dealing, theft, child porn or prostitution? According to the teabaggers, those are all intolerable restraints to Teh Free Hand™.
Well, I don’t think they’d be too keen on Reagan if they actually paid any attention to what he actually said and did.
He raised taxes every year of his presidency except one.
He also stated that he didn’t want American foreign policy to kill any civilians. (Which didn’t work out so well in actual practice, but his heart was in the right place.)
And he ske-daddled right out of Lebanon when the mission was such a transparent flop. (If Jimmy Carter had done that, we’d NEVER stop hearing about it.)
And then there was that whole thing about meeting with Gorbachev on arms reduction talks. If Jimmy Carter suggested it, it would be HIGH TREASON! (Kind of the same dynamic that allowed Nixon to normalize relations with China after being one of the most-vocal red-baiters of the previous quarter-century.)
I didn’t think much of Reagan when he was president, but looking back, it’s nice to recall that Republicans at one ime could find candidates that were at least half-sane.
Sorry about breaking the site, everyone!
Did Beck the Comedian do any of his wonderful animal impressions?
The USA is fuct until people start to see that these multi-millionaires don’t give a rats ass about anything but ratings/campaign contributions.
Ike was a RINO
Um, no, Ike was a fucking Communist. I’ve actually taken to calling myself an Eisenhower Republican (except for the McCarthyism and one or two foreign adventures). Ike was to the left of Obama in many ways, and wouldn’t get within spitting distance of the Republican National Convention if he were around today.
Theft is theft.
(I’ll try one last time, then FYWP with a rusty serrated corer) I was going to read all the (obviously) brilliant comments, when I came across the link to the Dash Cam. Dastardly Cam is more like it. Damn you, woman, and your criminally adorable child. I wasn’t planning to use my womb, and now thanks to you, after I finish this note I’m going out to accost the first decent-looking schwanzwielder and MAKE him impregnate me. Thanks a lot. P.S. sooooo cute.
Now see, sjelly, I figured Marita had that cute baby as a community service so the rest of us don’t even have to try.
I’ve actually taken to calling myself an Eisenhower Republican
Hee hee, perfect response to people who call themselves “classical liberals.”
I am so sick of these idiots. When will they secede? They keep promising and yet… I guess the benefits of staying (blue state delivered services) beat the downside (hating liberals).
When will they secede?
I know! I have my popcorn ready to pop so I can kick back and watch the show when Texas tries to secede, but they just won’t get around to it. Too busy with this “day to day reality of running a government” bullshit, I guess.
he was squeamish about torture
I wonder if he was. I know he signed the declaration against torture (or whatever it was called) and made a strong signing statement at the time, and I definitely think Republicans should be made to address that fact every single time one of them brings up torture, but I suspect that Reagan just thought it was a good bat with which to whack the Soviets. Certainly, he never seemed to lose any sleep over (ahem) allegations of torture in Guatemala, El Salvador, or Israel and the involvement therein of the School of the Americas. (IOKIYA-one-of-us in action)
“McKinley era without the protectionism” is about as likely to succeed as SCUBA with no air.
Well, (as I suspect you are alluding to here) it’s a pretty good approach if your goal is to drown the government in a bathtub.
Really? No one else saw Beck’s complaint as a convenient one-size-fits-all excuse for criminality?
I did, way up at the top of the page.
The thing is, historians have been writing for decades about the presence of communitarian views among the founders. One main idea is that, to keep a republic, you need people with public virtue, that is a commitment to the public good. The Constitution is not a “machine that would run by itself,” but requires the cultivation of the sense that the common good must be pursued. Anyone taking a course on early American history or American political thought would read a good deal about this — because they read works by scholars not John Birch Society hacks.
after I finish this note I’m going out to accost the first decent-looking schwanzwielder and MAKE him impregnate me.
[Don’t say it, don’t say it, don’t…aw, heck, if I don’t somebody else will]
Interest, newsletter, etc.
The fact is, anyone who suggests that they have any say in how MY MONEY is spent hates freedom and USA and loves Communism and its sinister, ever more fritening relative, SOCIALISM. You will never get what is mine liberals, for “spreading around” to fucking black welfare fucking fucking faggot fucking lazyass scum.
The fact is, address me and debate my points with facts, liberals.
Oh Gary, wait until you hear about April 15th! Probably when you get audited in August.
I thought I had a pretty clear idea of who would go on Mount Flushmore: Nixon, Reagan, Bush and Bush Lite.
The Democratic Underground had their own ideas on the subject: http://doctorpsycho1960.blogspot.com/2010/02/mount-flushmore.html
But if Republicans were to actually choose their own Rushmore set, who would it be, I wonder, now that they have eliminated so many for insufficient wingnuttery?
Teddy Roosevelt helped found the New York Museum of Natural History (although I think most of it was just to store all the endangered animals he’d killed and stuffed).
A building which supports education, evolution, heliocentrism, and the idea that the Native Americans were people.
Of course the Republicans would cast him out.
Will wingnuttery ever go too
where’s HTML to quote the original Mencken:
“nobody ever went broke overestimating the stupidity of the american public”
I don’t think that’s a mirror. Dash is using a teleprompter!
debate my points with facts
nah – we’re gonna debate your points with points
i hear there used to be facts, but they don’t make ’em anymore – no profit in it…
Tigrismus, we need to encourage Republicans to call themselves “classical liberals:
1) It will encourage them to actually study Revolutionary-era history, which is liable to lead them to some degree of understanding of what America really is and was intended to be.
2) It will discourage them from buying copies of Jonah Goldberg’s codswallop to wave, unopened, at public events.
3) It might, just might, bring them around to the understanding of what they are actually conservatives of: that they are conservative liberals, who have a lot in common with us progressive liberals, and actually share our desire for advancing liberalism, rather than being some sort of blood enemies.
At the rate they are going, I wouldn’t be surprised if the wingnut crowd eventually turns on Reagan for being too chummy with Tip O’Neill, buddying up to Gorbachev, not invading Lebanon, and signing off on the ’82,’84 and ’87 tax hikes.
“classical liberals”
fuckbrainistan has seized hold of the meaning of words and killed it off. they laugh at our puny “dictionaries” with their dorky and ineffective attempts to arrive at commonly agreed upon “definitions”
I like how it’s perfectly okay with Republicans for Beck to try on different personas at different times (there was a Glenn Beck Comedy Tour not too long ago).
Considering the people I’ve seen use it online, I’m less sanguine, Dr. Psycho.
rip said,
February 22, 2010 at 3:39
At the rate they are going, I wouldn’t be surprised if the wingnut crowd eventually turns on Reagan for being too chummy with Tip O’Neill, buddying up to Gorbachev, not invading Lebanon, and signing off on the ‘82,’84 and ‘87 tax hikes.
S.O.P. Is to simply ignore ‘liberal’ definitions of recent history. The failed Jimmy Carter presidency was followed by Bill Clinton, and this led directly to Barack Hussein.
~
S.O.P. Is to simply ignore
the shorter form works as well and is a more comprehensive description of wingnut activity
WIng-nuttery can never go too far; the dosage must always be increased to offset the tolerance to it the mind acquires after using it.
This is all a plot by the Equilateral Commission.
I am totally fine with never spending a single dime of tax revenue on Gary Ruppert. Let him fix his own potholes.
If Glen Beck was ever crushed to death by a crowd trying to get his autograph, we could say that said crowd had been “foisted on their own retard.”
I like how it’s perfectly okay with Republicans for Beck to try on different personas at different times (there was a Glenn Beck Comedy Tour not too long ago).
That dog persona really seemed to work, though Scooby Doo is a whole lot more articulate, and would make a better pundit. At least he was a member of the reality-based community- a fact attested to by his debunking of “paranormal” hoaxes.
In the end, though, it really doesn’t matter much what Jefferson or Adams or any of Britain’s “classical Liberals” thought the about what America’s economic system should be today since any ideas that they had at the time inconveniently predate that tiny event known as the fucking Industrial Revolution. Their ideas don’t account– couldn’t account– for the massive concentrations of capital and influence that are today’s mega-corporations.
Also, too, the Founder-fondlers never seem to get that the system of self-governance created by their heroes basically guarantees that every generation is going to re-define for itself what America “means” and what the legit role of government is.
The fact is, anyone who suggests that they have any say in how MY MONEY is spent hates freedom and USA
Without government, Gary, you fucking racist moron, there is no MONEY. Money is an agreed-upon method of exchange — and without government, nobody has to agree to take your money in exchange for what you want. In fact, they can take your money and give you nothing, because no government = no police. So move to Somalia already. We’re sick and tired of your simple-minded bigotry and ignorance. (Oh, and “lazy-ass” black people? The same black people whose unpaid labor built practically everything in whatever Southern shithole you lurk in? Talk about lazy, you stupid clod, when you get off your fat ass and actually learn something).
More than anything, I’ve heard “classic liberal” used as a weapon to try to delegitimize progressive liberals-i.e. we’re not real liberals, but a distortion thereof. As for getting the wingnuts to use it, I predict great failure. 30 years of learning the word liberal as a combination of commie, satanist, and depraved louche can’t be unlearned in our lifetime.
The point is not what the actual long-haired wig wearin’ book readin’ Greek philosophizing elite faggot actual Founding Fathers did and said — what’s important are the Founding Fathers of the modern conservative movementarians’ re-recollection.
So what if actual George Washington didn’t support torture? Re-recollected George Washington hacked dudes’ heads off with a butter knife just for snoring too loud.
ATTENTION AMERICANS: the rest of the world has agreed on the definition of the word ‘liberal’, it refers to people whom you would probably call ‘libertarians’ or ‘common sense conservatives’ if you are the kind of wanker who thinks laissez faire capitalism is common sense. For example, The Economist is a radical liberal newspaper. Please conform to the standard definition of words so this whole ‘classical liberal’ confusion will never happen again.
Herr Schlussesl,
The election of 1876 was indeed stolen by Rutherford Hayes, and he stole it from Honest Sam Tilden. The republicans promised the South Carolina legislature they would call off the reconstruction dogs if they would change their votes and since there is no direct election of the president then or now they agreed immediately
He’s coming.
I just want to see him go unrecoverably broke and suffer from a painful but easily, if unaffordably, treatable disease while having to work as a Wal-Mart greeter.
I wonder if wingnuttery can ever go too far, mathematically speaking. Is there some line beyond which you cease to be a wingnut? I suspect there is not.
Once again, MBouffant has put it best. Gods dammit.
Little Boots, is the answer insanity?
What I really don’t understand about Beck’s philosophy: The fact that even though it is supposedly progressives who are crazed delusional utopians. Every state that has undergone economic development did so by starting out mercantilist and becoming either a social democracy or a social fascist state. There’s no historical precedent for the anarcho-capitalist society the tea-partiers are after, they’re the ones chasing the utopian dream!
I believe there is a very large area where wingnuttery and insanity co-exist. Take Michelle Bachmann, Rick Santorum, Tim Pawlenty, Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck, Thomas Sowell, Larry Elder, Richard B. Cheney ….
It is, indeed, a very large area.
Little Boots, is the answer insanity?
sadly, no
If you believe in reason, facts, logic or history, you are not welcome in the Reublican party.
If Grover Norquist becomes a much better person soon, he will still have an outside chance of being reincarnated as a garden variety slug. I am by nature an optimist so I hold out some hope, slim as it may be.
Really? No one liked “foisted on their own retard”?
Okay, I do like that.
Whew. Well I’m glad someone liked it.
Jennifer, loved it.
BUT, FYWP spam filter.
P.S. It’s wingnuts all the way down
MBouffant has put it
Thank you, Little Boots.
Lemme just point out that people here, too, as (Ironic?) consumers of wing-nut fare, nonetheless need/demand higher or purer doses for our own amusement purposes.
Easy, wknd. chippers.
If I may:
an outside chance of being reincarnated as a garden variety slug. I am by nature an optimist so I hold out some hope, slime as it may be
Get out the salt!
Lemme just point out that people here, too, as (Ironic?) consumers of wing-nut fare, nonetheless need/demand higher or purer doses for our own amusement purposes.
I’m just a social user, I can quit any time I want, don’t judge me, I don’t need meetings, it’s not like I’m hurting anyone, it’s just this one time…
And the wingnuts never fail to deliver. Every day of the week, every week of the year, year after year, the hardworking loons of America produce a never-ending flow of high-octane stupid. The mighty Mississippi of dumbfuckitude just keeps rolling along. The sheer quantity of it really is awe-inspiring.
I suppose the reason that I go wingnut-watching is the same reason those very same wingnuts have worked tirelessly for the last 30 years to keep poor people and minorities in their customary social statuses of inferiority: We all need someone to feel better than.
I liked “foisted on their own retard” as well.
I was going to say, about this,
I think at this point it is simply assumed that anything emanating from the collective Wurlitzer Pie-Hole/Guano-Faucet is a convenient one-size-fits-all excuse for criminality. I don’t know that It would strike me as unusual enough to stick out at this point. What with the years of torture and rendition and dry-raping the treasury and stacking the DOJ to make sure nobody gets prosecuted, well, nobody on the right side anyway, and the openly bought politicians and the complicit SEC and the caging lists and the voting machines and the, oh fuck, you know, et fucking cetera, ad fucking nauseam, really, who could be expected to register such an approach as remarkable? Just another day at work for the Overton Window.
But yeah, I suppose it does sort of sound like that.
It seems that Ann Althouse has found a new form of expression:
Gotta be a mango tree in here somewhere.
Gore Vidal also speculated that I may have been General Washington’s bastard brat. Gore Vidal would not receive the courtesy of a wasted shot.
“…we need to address it as if it is a cancer.”
I say, “Salutations and greetings, Right Honorable Reverend Squamous Cell Carcinoma.”
It seems that Ann Althouse has found a new form of expression:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pvy_uJxJ_-g
too funny. added bonus: not in sync.
her name is greer childers and she is out of? her mind.
Roosevelt Franklin Elementary School lost my transcripts ‘cuz the Socialists avidly purge any trace of True Americanism from the academic record.
The fact is, the socialists sap the will of real Americans to work and live well exalting the parasites and minorites.
When we go Galt there will be no one to save you.
When we go Galt there will be no one to save you.
How can we miss you if you won’t leave?
When we go Galt there will be no one to save you.
Really. What shall we ever do without someone around constantly shouting “Heartland!” We’ll all starve!
If I read that right, Beck isn’t just in favour of socially destructive economic activity: he’s in favour ONLY of that kind. Benefiting the community is not only unnecessary and irrelevant from his POV, it’s actually bad.
Y’know how Creative Writing 101 tells you not to create villains who KNOW they’re evil, cos it’s implausible, real people always think they’re the virtuous ones? Wrong. As long as Republicans exist, that’s simply not true. Beck and his audience are proud to be evil.
I knows a GAY PENIS reference when I sees one…
Non-theft is theft.
Completely OT, but this one almost demands a thread unto itself…
The daughter of Joe Stack, the wingnut McVeigh wannabe, made a public announcement that, although what her sperm-donor did was bad, he was a “hero” for standing up to Big Government. The mega-irony? She lives in NORWAY!!!
Did I ever tell you how much I FUCKING HATE PIGS????
Since this thread is moving so slowly, may I take a moment to vent? Yes, I know I have my own blog for this type of thing, but no one reads it and what’s the point in venting if no one hears it? So:
I’m up a bit later than usual this morning and yet still exhausted. Why? Because my neighbors have dogs that spent the 3 am – 4 am hour barking, depsite me getting up no less than 3 times, going to the door, and yelling at them to shut up. This typically works for about 5 minutes, just long enough for me to start drifting off before they start it up again.
My beef is this: I know dogs are gonna bark if they hear anything or if a possum or racoon or cat comes down the alley, and that’s ok. That’s just a dog being a dog. What infuriates me is that I’m the one getting up to tell them to shut up. What, the neighbors can’t hear the fucking barking coming from right outside their goddamned bedroom window? They sure as shit have to hear it when I have to get up and yell at their dogs to STFU, and yet, when the barking starts up again, do they get up and tell the dogs to shut up? No. No, they do not.
Although things are much better now than when they first got the dogs (for the first 6 months, I never got a full night’s sleep), this is bullshit. They’d still be barking all night long if some anonymous neighbor hadn’t left a note on their door one day when they were gone all day about how if they didn’t get the barking under control they were going to call the city. That’s the one and only time they ever got serious about the barking. And it really has gotten much much better, but still – why the fuck is it up to me to get up in the middle of the night when their dogs are waking up the neighborhood?
The worst part about it all is that I really feel sorry for the dogs. These people had no business getting dogs in the first place; allegedly they got them for their kids, and because they put
so littleno effort into socializing them, the kids never venture into the backyard, because the dogs will jump all over them and smear them with the dogshit they run around in all the time (seriously, it’s like a dogshit cesspool over there. Whenever it rains, we all get to smell it). So they went and got these dogs when they were pups, dumped them in the backyard, and left them there. Aside from feeding them, they have no contact with them. They can’t bathe them, because they adopted the method of throwing water on them to keep them from jumping, so now the dogs are afraid of water, and the dogs are so filthy that no one ever pets them. They can’t walk them, because they never bothered to leash train them when they were small enough to handle. The dogs leave the backyard approximately one time per year to go get their shots. And because the wingnut husband anthropomorphized the dogs with regard to neutering them (though not in regard to providing a clean environment, bathing, or human companionship), there are these two frustrated male dogs locked up together, alone, in this backyard. So there is fighting and fence-fighting with dogs in the neighboring yards. The dogs probably have more contact with me than anyone else; I’ve managed to train them not to bark at me or my cat when we go out to the backyard – and that’s probably why they will shut up, at least temporarily, when I yell at them out the back door.So, is it even worth speaking with the neighbors about how enraged I get when they can’t be arsed with getting up in the middle of the night to control their own fucking animals? Or should I just call the city and be done with it?
That dog persona really seemed to work, though Scooby Doo is a whole lot more articulate, and would make a better pundit. At least he was a member of the reality-based community- a fact attested to by his debunking of “paranormal” hoaxes.
Yeah, Beck is more the guy whose mask gets ripped off at the end and curses those darn libs.
Jennifer: They sell anti-dog barking electronic devices that automatically detect the barking and then send out an ultrasonic noise that the dogs hate.
Don’t think of it as dog cruelty, think of it as you being a Pavlovian researcher.
A less intrusive method would be earplugs – look for the ones that are like soft hunks of wax, a friend who lives on the 2nd floor on 34th street right by the tunnel exit swears by them.
When we go Galt there will be no one to save you.
please do, fake gary, we’re sick of your whining…
“About the only Founder [right wingers would] actually tolerate would be Hamilton”
Not when they learn he wrote this:
As to the suggestion of double taxation, the answer is plain. The wants of the Union are to be supplied in one way or another; if to be done by the authority of the federal government, it will not be to be done by that of the State government. The quantity of taxes to be paid by the community must be the same in either case; with this advantage, if the provision is to be made by the Union that the capital resource of commercial imposts, which is the most convenient branch of revenue, can be prudently improved to a much greater extent under federal than under State regulation, and of course will render it less necessary to recur to more inconvenient methods; and with this further advantage, that as far as there may be any real difficulty in the exercise of the power of internal taxation, it will impose a disposition to greater care in the choice and arrangement of the means; and must naturally tend to make it a fixed point of policy in the national administration to go as far as may be practicable in making the luxury of the rich tributary to the public treasury, in order to diminish the necessity of those impositions which might create dissatisfaction in the poorer and most numerous classes of the society. Happy it is when the interest which the government has in the preservation of its own power, coincides with a proper distribution of the public burdens, and tends to guard the least wealthy part of the community from oppression!
The Federalist, #36
You know, you never see any of these dudes actually going Galt. I wonder why?
Teddy said nothing that the father of capitalism, Adam Smith, didn’t.
the socialists sap the will of real Americans to work and live well exalting the parasites and minorites
I call Fake Gary. He spelled “exalting” correctly.
Minorites is good, but I wonder which ones? Asia Minorites? Ursa Minorites? E flat Minorites? I must know before he goes Galt!
Asia Minorites? Ursa Minorites? E flat Minorites?
The Copper Minorites in Telluride.
That’s right: the Telluride Minorites.
Teddy said nothing that the father of capitalism, Adam Smith, didn’t. – actor212
Shorter Adam Smith:
So they went and got these dogs when they were pups, dumped them in the backyard, and left them there.
I’d tell you to call the authorities on them, but unfortunately, this isn’t something the authorities would probably take the dogs away for.
Sadly. Because this is terrible. Poor dogs.
I wonder if wingnuttery can ever go too far, mathematically speaking. Is there some line beyond which you cease to be a wingnut? I suspect there is not.
There is a line which wingnuttery continuously approaches, but never quite reaches- an ass-symptote, if you will.
You know, you never see any of these dudes actually going Galt. I wonder why?
Because there is no such thing as a perpetual-motion machine to supply their compound with magic pony power. Deep down, even Ayn Rand knew her little fantasy was bullshit.
So, is it even worth speaking with the neighbors about how enraged I get when they can’t be arsed with getting up in the middle of the night to control their own fucking animals? Or should I just call the city and be done with it?
Write to Amy Alkon for advice… she’d probably suggest that you burn their house down and desecrate their ancestors’ graves.
Write to Amy Alkon for advice… she’d probably suggest that you burn their house down and desecrate their ancestors’ graves.
After you rape their sons and lock up their daughters.
You know, you never see any of these dudes actually going Galt. I wonder why?
The only legal ways to go Galt, without having Teh Revenooers come knocking, are:
1) Retire to a commune where you subsistence farm with animal and/or wind power only. Maybe you can barter some carrots to have the blacksmith re-shoe your horse and keep your plow tuned up. There might even be some Amish community that would let you join, but the Amish are very communitarian in outlook and would probably shun your Ayn Rand reading ass.
2) Quit your job, put all your assets into non-interest paying bank accounts (or in a safe) and live off the principal.
(1) is hard, hard, HARD work. It is so hard, in fact, that the history of the human race for the last 10,000 years is largely the story of people in precisely those circumstances trying to get out.
(2) requires you to start with N * X dollars in the bank, where N is the number of years you expect to live and X is the amount of yearly spending you intend. (Too bad for you if you live for N+1 years, or if there’s inflation.) This is possible for a tiny handful of people. I doubt we would really miss them. There would, admittedly, be some disruption on financial markets when they all sold all their stock, but we’d recover.
And of course, even if you go Galt by method (2), you are still paying sales taxes and property taxes to the damned second handers. Nevertheless, I encourage all people interested in going Galt to explore one of these avenues as soon as possible.
Write to Amy Alkon for advice… she’d probably suggest that you burn their house down and desecrate their ancestors’ graves.
Since their backyard already contains a natural shit-moat, that might strain Amy’s advice abilities.
Tom Tancredo say CPAC not Conservative enough:
The best example of how CPAC 2010 has failed the conservative movement is CPAC’s attempt to redefine (sabotage would be a more accurate term) the potent issues of illegal immigration and border security.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=125647
The IRS on bartering:
Tax Responsibilities of Bartering Participants
If you engage in barter transactions you may have tax responsibilities. You may be subject to liabilities for income tax, self-employment tax, employment tax, or excise tax. Your barter activities may result in ordinary business income, capital gains or capital losses, or you may have a nondeductible personal loss.
Barter dollars or trade dollars are identical to real dollars for tax reporting. If you conduct any direct barter – barter for another’s products or services – you will have to report the fair market value of the products or services you received on your tax return.
Reporting Bartering Proceeds
If you barter your products or services through a barter exchange, you should receive a Form 1099-B, Proceeds from Broker and Barter Exchange Transactions. The amount shown in 1099-B Box 3 Bartering is your barter transactions proceeds and is generally reportable as income and must be included on your tax return. Barter exchanges have an annual obligation to report your bartering proceeds to the IRS.
I also think subsistence farmers would still have to file as self-employed, and perhaps even pay Social Security and Medicare payments etc. etc. so HA HA on Galt goers.
The amount shown in 1099-B Box 3 Bartering is your barter transactions proceeds and is generally reportable as income and must be included on your tax return.
Presumably, tho, you’ve given goods and or services in an equivalent amount, thus driving your income down to zero.
But…a) you can’t front your expenditures under bartering (i.e. claim goods purchased on the exchange last year against goods sold on the exchange this year) and b) if it’s an exchange that works in “barter dollars” and you store them up, you might be forced to impute an interest calculation on your savings account.
The IRS on bartering:
So, if I turn in all those schoolkids swapping baseball cards, I could get a bounty from the IRS?
Easy Street, here I come!
So, if I turn in all those schoolkids swapping baseball cards, I could get a bounty from the IRS?
Arnold Alkon, is that you????
Presumably, tho, you’ve given goods and or services in an equivalent amount, thus driving your income down to zero.
The IRS requires the fair market value of barter proceeds be declared as income, and I don’t think you can deduct the value of your work as an expense any more than you can deduct the value of your work from your salary income. They give an example of a painter trading a painting to a lawyer in exchange for legal advice, and both parties must declare the fair market value of what they receive as income in their tax returns. I’m sure if you file as a self-employed person you can deduct some business expenses, paint and canvas for example, but the value added by the labor of making a painting which you can trade for legal services is going to be taxable as income.
“You’ve already been engaged in a death struggle with one Roosevelt (Franklin) for the past several decades. Are you sure it’s really time to open up a second front?”
Is it possible Beck is just confusing the two? Because I would have absolutely no trouble believing that. I’m just sayin.
IANAL, but…it depends what sort of advice the lawyer was giving. If it was business related (helping with the closing on the new studio, say), then the painting is free. It was exchanged for exactly the cost of the lawyer’s time, so it’s an income with an offsetting expense. If it was personal (drawing up the painter’s will), then probably not.
In my example, the same trick would work for the carrots-for-horseshoe swap. The horseshoe is a tool, the purchase of which would have been tax deductable.
If my Galt-going dirt grubber tries to trade his carrots to his neighbour for some apples, though, we’ve got his ass. 🙂
He doesn’t get out of paying property taxes either, of course. All by way of illustrating that the tantrum throwers threatening to go Galt really didn’t think the matter through. Which is sad, really, because it means we still have to listen to them.
I’d tell you to call the authorities on them, but unfortunately, this isn’t something the authorities would probably take the dogs away for.
Sadly. Because this is terrible. Poor dogs.
They might take them away if the dogs are as filthy as Jennifer says. Also, if there’s good proof that they don’t have decent living space (no doghouse/weather shelter, nasty water, rotten food) the neighbors will have to either clean up or have them taken.
Document everything, Jen.
LC, I took the example from the IRS website, and they touch on both possibilities(business vs personal legal help), and the fair market value must be declared in both cases. The only difference was what form the painter would get from the lawyer, either a 1099 MISC for business legal or nothing for personal, but both the painter and the lawyer would have to report it either way. The lawyer would have to report the fair market value just as if he’d received payment in cash.
In my example, the same trick would work for the carrots-for-horseshoe swap. The horseshoe is a tool, the purchase of which would have been tax deductable.
In that specific case both parties would declare the fair market price of however many pounds of carrots or the price of having a horse shod, and subtract the cost of the horseshoe or carrot seeds. The difference will be the value added by labor and income tax, self-employment tax, etc may have to be paid, assuming the fair market value of all such barters exceeds 400$ in a year.
The IRS requires the fair market value of barter proceeds be declared as income, and I don’t think you can deduct the value of your work as an expense any more than you can deduct the value of your work from your salary income.
You can if you are an independent contractor which is also reportable as 1099 income (1099-C, as I recall).
tigrismus, I stand corrected. I wouldn’t make it as a subsistence farmer. 🙂
OK, I stand corrected. I had to glance at the IRS site, because I’m not that familiar with barter taxation.
Most people would not have to report barter income. It is not applicable to personal “expenses”. So if I trade, to use Tig’s example, painting a room for a bushelful of tomatoes, neither transaction is reportable.
If I trade painting a room with help in my divorce, the lawyer has to report my painting by issuing me a 1099-B. I cannot report the legal services received in exchange.
If, however, the lawyer and I exchange services to set up my painting corporation, we BOTH must exchange 1099-MISC if the value of the services exceed $600, a 1099-B if not.
But see, Tig, in issuing a 1099, I’m deducting that expense from my income. We each have to acknowledge the other’s 1099, but we can also (usually) deduct the 1099 we issued to them.
Ronald Reagan’s grandmother, Margaret Thatcher, proved that “there is no such thing as society”. Therefore it is about nothing, and society is theft.
Somewhere, Socrates does the forehead smack and hangs his head in shame.
I always thought that St. Ronnie was St. Maggie’s boy-toy.
Oh hell yeah–you know they were 69’ing in the Lincoln Bedroom with The Deer Hunter on every TV screen.
Oh hell yeah–you know they were 69?ing in the Lincoln Bedroom with The Deer Hunter on every TV screen.
Not enough brain bleach in the world…
You can’t deduct the whole amount, you can only deduct your actual expenses, as you didn’t pay the fair market value they received, i.e. the paint, canvas, etc costs were less than the value of the finished painting. You added value to the raw goods with your labor for which you received compensation in excess of your actual expenses, and this is counted as income on which tax may need to be paid assuming you pass the yearly threshold. The IRS also specifically includes goods/services barter, so tomatoes for painting would also have to be reported by both parties.
we need to address it as if it is a cancer.
Disease models of society sound better in the original
Germansyphilis imagery.Tig,
If you issue the 1099, you do it in conjunction with the tax forms you are filing with the IRS.
Let’s take the barter aspect out of it, so it’s clearer.
I run a business and I hire you to write some software for me. I don’t put you on salary. Instead, you and I sign a contract where I promise to pay you $1,000 once you’ve completed the software and installed it.
OK, so the end of the year comes. I can legally deduct that $1,000 as a business expense, because your software code helps me run my business. I issue a 1099 to you, indicating that I paid you $1,000.
I can now take that $1,000 off my income as a business expense.
Now let’s say that you in your software business have need of my services later in the year. You contract with me and pay me $1,000 for whatever the hell it is I do.
You issue me a 1099 and deduct that fro your expenses, because my services help you operate your software service. We’ve exchanged 1099s because we had two separate transactions.
OK so it goes A = $1000 =B
Now just eliminate the $1000…that’s why you and I can both deduct the barter proceeds. So long as our services are both business related and they were exchange one up, we both declare $1000 in income and $1000 in business expenses.
That’s of course a general case and should not be construed as tax advice to anyone specific.
I see what you’re saying; yes you have to declare it, but you can structure business service for service barter so that the amounts cancel out. Goods for service like our painter’s art or subsistence farmer’s carrots would still be sticky, though, because the initial capital expense is not going to equal the fair market value of the finished goods. And I also think we must admit it is unlikely the typical Galter like Gary has any skills that he could trade for services.
Uh, CPAC had a speaker named Thomas Dilorenzo whose books are solely related to calling Lincoln a sociopath and refusing to acknowledge anything he did.
There is no better farce than reality
1) It will encourage them to actually study Revolutionary-era history
HAHAHA! Republicans studying history…
Your point is very well taken, but these people have zero concept of what classical liberalism is, and they refuse to study history in a complete manner. They will always view Western expansion and Manifest Destiny through the lens of a John Wayne movie, for example. That will never change.
“It’s too bad reincarnation doesn’t work in reverse. I’d like nothing better than for Grover Norquist to come back as a McKinley-era coal miner, railroad porter, factory worker—basically, any kind of hard job unprotected by the “regulation” he so casually despises.”
I think he has earned several lifetimes being born into conservative utopias like Ethiopia, Rwanda, and Angola. Preferably totally poor where he can really bootstrap himself up.
Would that any wingnut shitfaced assfucking bitch be subjected to the logical end to their “beliefs”.
It’s so easy to support oppression when you aren’t the oppressed. Maybe to Bush & Co. on the business end of a Shock And Awe™ campaign…
Jefferson the plantation owner was a hippie farmer?
The last time I took LSD, there weren’t any blogs! Happy American History Month you big dopes!
Does Abe Lincoln get tossed over the side for his failure to protect states’ rights (I’m pretty sure he does, yes)?
“We don’t do Lincoln Day Dinners in South Carolina,” Senator Graham told a Lincoln Day gathering in Tennessee Saturday. “It’s nothing personal, but it takes awhile to get over things.”
Wait. Beck wants TR–the beau ideal of Muscular Christianity and the man who invented the modern photo-op–tossed from the party’s history? Does Beck realize that without TR’s media skills, he wouldn’t have a job?
(Modern photo-op: TR was the first President to leave the continental U.S. while in office. Why? To go down to Panama, and see the canal, and get his picture taken. In a white suit, and huge-ass panama hat, at the controls of a steam shovel.)
Theodore Roosevelt was the kind of man who would effortlessly chew up Glenn Becky and spit him out like a wad of tobbaco. Beck and all of his nutbagger buddies dont even equal one curly hair on T.R’s testicles, both President Roosevelts did more for this country than the entire nutbagger party combined into a super-wingnut.
Becky is out to demonize the word progressive, just as the word liberal has been demonized by the neo-CONs, and T.R was a progressive. Give it another year or two and they soon will be villifying Lincoln, because when you really take the time to compare, todays modern CONservative and far-right tea bagger have nothing in common with Lincoln and everything in common with Jefferson Davis. Their politics lie entirely in that sphere and always have, their beliefs have always been anti American.