They still care about this?

I think my favorite part of the WMD site is the banner ad across the top:

“New Survival Seed Bank Lets You Plant Full Acre Crisis Garden!”

I didn’t know crises were something you could grow. I still don’t know why anyone would want to.

board abroad? I can think of many things that could mean. Wait. No, I can’t.

board abroad? I can think of many things that could mean. Wait. No, I can’t.

Broad aboard, perhaps. Or bored a’ brad. Boar da’ bro?

Bank Exec bonuses are ‘crisis seeds’.

boor abroad, that’s it.

Don’t make me drag out the old joke about the guy who went to Denmark and came back a broad.

Special note for you younguns: In the 1960’s, it was somehwat funny.

In the 1960’s, it was somehwat funny

Yes, and in the 60’s you thought that Jerry Van Dyke talking to a car was funny. And electing Nixon.

A “crisis garden” is like a Victory Garden for the teabag set… not so much for victory as for WOLVERINES!!!

OT (if Whaley Pantload can ever be OT at S,N!):

[…]
Few spoke out, as Roger Griffin suggests, because they recognized that Goldberg’s book was more of an exercise in polemics than a historical work, and as such not really appropriate for academic consideration. Its use of history was so shoddy and propagandistic, and its claims so frankly absurd, that very few of them considered it worth taking seriously.
[…]
If it were only a work that, like so many other right-wing polemical tracts of the past decade that traduce history (Michelle Malkin’s In Defense of Internment springs to mind) faded from public view and had little effect on the public, it might be acceptable to simply let it fade into obscurity. But Goldberg’s book has not faded; and its toxic effects seem to be growing with time.

HNN Special: Liberals Respond to Jonah Goldberg’s Liberal Fascism

Special note for you younguns: In the 1960’s, it was somehwat funny.

Yeah, real funny, pal.

What the fuck is funny about that?

I fail to see the humor.

Yes, and in the 60’s you thought that Jerry Van Dyke talking to a car was funny. And electing Nixon.

In the ’60s, I thought that bumbling Nazis guarding Allied prisoners of war who constantly escaped (and then went back to the camp voluntarily!) was fucking hilarious.

The best part about that comment from Farah is that he follows it up with this (near the bottom of the column):

Fiore also states FactCheck.org examined Obama’s original birth certificate. While FactCheck.org makes that claim, the assertion is untrue. FactCheck.org examined only the digital document released to select news organizations for inspection – the same document available to millions on the Internet. That document is a certification of live birth and is thoroughly unpersuasive as proof of an actual Hawaiian birth. Those documents can be obtained without an eyewitness to an actual domestic birth – and many of them have been.

So, you see, Joseph Farah absolutely does not believe that the President was born in another country. He merely believes that the evidence he was born in the United States is untrustworthy and possibly fraudulent. Big difference.

ZOMG! Der Loadedhosen responds.
I think it’s a sign of its impact that such eminent scholars as Robert Paxton and Roger Griffin feel the need to crush it…

and this, after Neiwert’s very clear introductory statement:

Let me say up front that selecting David Neiwert to “introduce” the discussion – without telling me in advance – is pretty strong evidence that this symposium was intended a priori to discredit the book rather than honestly discuss it

I’m almost beginning to feel sorry for him – maybe he is just plain st00pid anmd deranged after all. Almost.

Let me say up front that selecting David Neiwert to “introduce” the discussion – without telling me in advance – is pretty strong evidence that this symposium was intended a priori to discredit the book rather than honestly discuss it

And this is a problem, how?

HNN Special: Liberals Respond to Jonah Goldberg’s Liberal Fascism

Hey, thanks Peej!

i’m through with WND since they refused to print my positive proof that obama’s father was elvis’ alien love baby born with the image of jesus on his duodenum

They’re paying attention to me! That means…that means they like me!

HNN Special: Liberals Respond to Jonah Goldberg’s Liberal Fascism

I made the mistake of reading Jo-Bag’s rebuttal

I contend that in America (unlike Europe in important respects) “the right” is defined by two pillars: religious and cultural traditionalism on the one side and classical liberalism or economic libertarianism on the other. We can get hung up on the labels, but it is fair to say that people who are very culturally conservative are usually identified as “right-wing” and those who are very libertarian on economic matters are dubbed right-wing as well. Modern conservatives, for the most part, adhere to the “fusionist” school which tries to marry both traditionalism and laissez-faire in one coherent vision. Meanwhile, the Nazis – and, to a lesser extent, the Italian Fascists – rejected both of these worldviews while embracing statism. In my book (literally and figuratively) that puts you on the left. To date no one has successfully rebutted this argument.

So he defines “The Left” as including any ideology from any time or place that we can presume might have rejected some aspect of American conservatism, if they were here today. His logic is literally:

1) Hitler rejected some aspects of laissez-faire economics in 1930s Germany
2) People who embrace laissez-faire economics in the US today are considered conservative.
3) Hitler was a Democrat.

And through all this insanity on the supposed birth certificate none of them seem to notice that it’s all fucking irrelevant. Unless they can demonstrate that his mother wasn’t an American citizen, it doesn’t matter.
For the lurkers and trolls: The relevant section of the Constitution says “natural-born citizen.” If Obama’s mom was a U.S. citizen, so was he.
Amazing how worked up they can get for something that cannot matter. You’d think the monkey handlers would rein them in occasionally.

We can get hung up on the labels…

Jonah-speak for “pay attention to the actual meaning of words.”

M. Bouffant linked to this in the last thread. It deserves a repost because Farah and Pantload are low hanging fruits, Brooks is a more prestigious douche and Matt Taibbi is the bomb.
http://trueslant.com/matttaibbi/2010/01/27/populism-just-like-racism/

A taste!

“As for the populism label, let me quote the Alison Porchnik character from Annie Hall (Woody’s first wife, in the movie): “I love being reduced to a cultural stereotype.”

“Brooks here is trying to say that by criticizing, say, Goldman Sachs for mass thievery — criticizing a bank for selling billions of dollars worth of worthless subprime mortgage-backed securities mismarked as investment grade deals, for getting the taxpayer to pay them 100 cents on the dollar for their billions in crap investments with AIG, for forcing hundreds of millions of people to pay inflated gas and food prices when they manipulated the commodities market and helped push oil to a preposterous $149 a barrel, and for paying massive bonuses after receiving billions upon billions in public support even beyond the TARP — that in criticizing the bank for doing these things, people like me are primarily interested in being divisive and “organizing hatreds.”

“He is also saying that by making these criticisms, people like me are by implication making statements about our own moral purity and enlightenment relative to others.”

If Obama’s mom was a U.S. citizen, so was he.

She lost her citizenship by marrying a nigger. Loving v. Virginia, which decriminalized her treasonous action, was decided only later.

You know who else wouldn’t release his long form birth certificate . . . ?

Amazing that he could research the 1930’s so thoroughly and still come up with the conclusion that only the icky Commie Shavian left could’ve POSSIBLY thought, in the biggest economic crisis the industrial world had yet seen, that capitalism was in the shitter and some kind of State intervention just might be called for.

. . .

No, on second thought, no surprise at all, considering his “research” probably involved Usenet, “Hogan’s Heroes”, Steve Ditko comics and repeated watchings of “Ilsa: She-Wolf Of The SS”.

He uses big words and stuff. Can’t be a real American nigger. Must be Kenyan born

Hate to go OT, but there’s some great wanking going on over at Prof. Mustard’s house. Prof Mustard tried to call out Glenzilla over his Alito post, and then in comments, the mighty head of Glenzilla roars from the wreckage. Hilarity ensues when no one can get their head around his point.

Peej, thanks for that HNN link. From Roger Griffin’s highly entertaining review:

Liberal Fascism is to be seen as a mischievous exercise in party-political journalism writ large as a pseudo-academic monograph, its revisionism far removed from that of a legitimate academic exercise in rethinking a basic historical issue from a fresh angle. Rather, its revisionism directly parallels that of the Institute of Historical Review, which produces euphemistic essays in Holocaust Denial misleadingly adorned with full scholarly apparatus, an airbrushed Playboy variant of racist political pornography.

http://www.hnn.us/articles/122473.html

Can’t wait to read Doughy’s response. “I would spend more time on this, but I’m on deadline and I’ve got tickets to Sarah Palin’s spech to the Teabagger’s Union and there’s that Star Trek convention starting tomorrow…”

Fascism is trying to get beyond politics, but also it is making politics into everything.

Guys, guys, ironic racism is still racism.

Not to be a stick-in-the-mud, but some of these posts are coming close to what I imagine the posts read like on Stormfront.

” . . . Ilsa: She-Wolf Of The SS”.

You put an image of the Pantload masturbating in my mind and for this I will never forgive you P.U.

What Butt Wolf said. Err, Butt Monkey. Whatever. Just lay off using the “n” word quite so hard please, or come up with some variant that makes it clear you don’t have a blackened charp for a heart.

charp: n, 1. That one potato chip in the bag that appears to have some kind of green-brown burnt stain on it.

“Guys, guys, ironic racism is still racism.”

Except for the irony part.

I take your point as directed at myself and/or PeeJ. You are wrong. Mocking racism is not racism, context matters, and people can express racist thoughts easily while avoiding the N-Word and using only very polite language (see Brooks, David & 2nd to last column)

Guys, guys, ironic racism is still racism.

No, for several reasons.

1. It’s not ironic. Parodic is a better term.
2. Even if it were irony, then it’s irony, not racism.
3. Let’s go to the dictionary definition – 1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, … The most I could reasonably be accused of is mistaking birtherism for race.
4. Talking about racism – even presenting it parodically – is not the same as racism.

Buttmonkey, I have thought that myself at times. But if the Stormfront cockbags are so completely beyond the pale that their own statements are indistinguishable from parity, well…nobody’s fault but theirs.

I know nothing!

Pantload: Neiwert and Bertlet are deeply invested in their cottage industry of spotting fascism and Nazism in the Republican Party, talk radio and elsewhere.

So this writer at National Review, a money-losing ideological open sewer, is sneering at other people’s cottage industries? Hoh-K.

charp: n, 1. That one potato chip in the bag that appears to have some kind of green-brown burnt stain on it.

I’ve often ahd the impression, watching David Brooks, that he stuck a potato chip up his ass and is trying hard not to break it.

Nigga please!

The single most persistent and widespread error in Jonah’s load is the implication that you can draw perfect comparisons between politics in Europe in the 1930s and politics in America today. It’s such an obvious brain fart that everyone who criticizes the book brings it up. I love that Jonah’s response to this, every time it’s been brought up, is a resounding “Can too!”

I wonder if there’s any way to get Viacom to release the complete TDS Goldberg interview. There have to be some glorious nuggets of idiocy in there.

PeeJ-

I am that joke (figured out I was trans while expatriating in Denmark). Talk about internet is a small world.

And personally I think puns are timeless. If you like puns, they last as long as the idiom they are based on, if you don’t, they last as long as the idiom they are based on to continually suck out your will to live til the end of your days.

Luckily I enjoy puns.

“green-brown burnt stain on it.”

Is this some kind of slur against the black Irish?

On topic, this seems to be a staple of the wingnuts. Repeat crazy shit to their followers, eventually get noticed by sane society who patiently notes what you are saying and present it to the huge audience most people would love to reach, and then run screaming claiming that people should stop believing their lying ears.

I don’t think there’s ever been a more clear-cut j’accuse than that pattern to prove someone is arguing in bad faith, telling known lies. Genuinely crazy people welcome the spotlight as it helps others avoid the government’s mind-control rays, they don’t scurry like cockroaches at the first genuine opportunity to speak to the world.

Shorter me: They’re lying, they’re always lying, none of them believe in this shit, especially the ones running these scams.

“Except for the irony part.”

I meant “irony” in the Allanis Morriset sense of the word.

re: racism: context IS everything.

but still…

in other, funnier news:
When I was a reporter, I was taught to provide examples to back up allegations. Faye Fiore does not. Where’s the wild speculation, Faye?

b/c an integral element of ‘journalism’ is wild speculation in WND World.

One more bit of Jonah bashing, because I think this is the key reason why Jonah deserves to be bashed, and often – from Matthew Feldman:

In sum, Liberal Fascism is less a work of neutral scholarship or unbiased journalism than thinly veiled historical revisionism. It is this latter point that bears underscoring in conclusion: irresponsibility. For in so one-sidedly, so superficially, so wrongly applying fascist ideology to American history, Goldberg does not just confuse understandings of generic fascism – proper scholarship will be untroubled by this nonsense, although popular views of the term may be set back a generation. Worse still, he gives aid and succor to enemies of liberal democracy, enemies who wish to see fascism rehabilitated, normalized, and recognized as beneficial. To name but one: actual fascist ideologues like Lyndon LaRouche gain tremendously from calling liberal democrats “fascists,” and Goldberg’s handful of caveats will do little to dispel his catchy semantic elision “liberal fascists.” In fact, it has been part of LaRouche’s shtick for years – calling his enemies “fascists”, seeking to invert the term for his own prejudices and political purposes – despite running for president on the Democratic ticket (!) no less than nine times. The political cult’s campaign against “Green fascism” (381ff) is but one longstanding example amongst many. Unlikely bedfellows, perhaps. But no less an ideological conflation and historical caricature than Goldberg’s wholly unrecognizable portrait of what is, and must remain, an oxymoron for the perverse formulation “liberal fascism.”

http://www.hnn.us/articles/122247.html

“I’ve often ahd the impression, watching David Brooks, that he stuck a potato chip up his ass and is trying hard not to break it.”

Oddly, this explains a lot about the mind of David Brooks.

Thanks for the shout out to Lyndon LaRouche you commie atheist you.
That old school crack pot could of been a Glenn Beck if he had any charisma whatsoever.

PeeJ –

No hard feelings, I hope… and trust me, I appreciate your posts and usually find them funny, but your use of the word “nigger” is:

A) Ironic under the following dictionary definition:

dry: humorously sarcastic or mocking; “dry humor”; “an ironic remark often conveys an intended meaning obliquely”; “an ironic novel”; “an ironical …

characterized by often poignant difference or incongruity between what is expected and what actually is; “madness, an ironic fate for such a clear thinker”; “it was ironical that the well-planned scheme failed so completely”

Your use of the term is therefore ironic because it is meant in a sarcastic manner, mocking those who actually use the word or implying obliquely that those that hold the opinion in question would use such a word. In this way it fits the first definition of the term. Additionally, as one does not expect to see such a word on a liberal site, one could argue that it fits the second definition.

B) Unintentionally, yet inarguably racist, as the word “nigger” is racist in and of itself.

Again, not trying to impose my tastes…but I just thought you should know what that comment read like.

Sorry to be prudish, but still…

here we have context, but every damn thing a person says can easily be misunderstood or taken out of context

Tactius-

Exactly. So why use that particular word? It greatly increases the chance of that happening. Things can be true, and funny- but still quite ugly.

No, no hard feelings. But….

the word “nigger” is racist in and of itself.

A word can be racist? I have learned a new thing today.

Sorry, a word can be used by a racist. Words can be evfdence of racism. But no, a word is nothing in and of itself except a word. Don’t make me get all semiotic on your ass!

It’s about as ironic as rain on your wedding day.

And of course the word “nigger” is inherently racist. After all, it is making fun of those stupid whitetrash cracker-ass rednecks who can’t pronounce simple french words properly.

New Survival Seed Bank Lets You Plant Full Acre Crisis Garden!

Curse you, WND! I read that as a “Full Acre Chronic Garden!” What am I gonna do with all these damn tomatoes?

Pee J-

You are going to argue that the word “Nigger” is not racist? I’ll need some popcorn and a place to sit for that one, because it is terribly disingenuous to pretend that that word is “only a word”. The sophistry involved in supporting that pretense is likely to be fascinating, but I would imagine also lengthy.

Semiotisize me! I’m begging for it.

More achievements in conservative revolutionary activism:

Judge Orders 25-Year-Old O’Keefe To Live With His Parents

Justin Elliott | January 28, 2010, 11:12AM | TPM Muckraker

As if James O’Keefe hasn’t suffered enough indignity after botching an alleged phone tampering operation at a U.S. senator’s office, getting arrested, and being photographed leaving jail, the judge in the case has now ordered that he reside with his parents until the next hearing.

Magistrate Judge Louis Moore made the order Tuesday as part of the conditions of release for O’Keefe, 25.

The young conservative filmmaker is free on $10,000 bond. A preliminary hearing in the case is set for February 13.

I guess that unlike Jo’berg Doughpants, he didn’t have a mother with enough pull to have a good liberal writer and actual journalist (Robert Scheer) kicked off the Los Angeles Times and get himself hired instead.

By the way, I’m pretty pissed off to have just learned that Mr. Pimp did not dress that way inside the ACORN offices. That was just something he had the non-balls to do outside, on the street, as deceptive.

BM, I’m not going to argue it. I will merely restate my position that a word can not be racist. People can be racist; no word can be racist. Acts can be racist.

Instead of semiotic, lets go Socratic. Tell me, is fag, in and of itself, homophobic?

B) Unintentionally, yet inarguably racist, as the word “nigger” is racist in and of itself.

So, when black people use that term that just proves that they, not white people, are the true racists.

Got it.

Although there are times and contexts in which perhaps the N* word can be ironically used, if you have any doubt whatsoever, don’t. Suppress yourself. Lose some freedom. Really. You’ll live.

By the way, tell that to this guy:

http://www.amazon.com/Nigger-Autobiography-Dick-Gregory/dp/0671735608

The word “niggardly” sounded racist but was completely innocent. Accused of a crime it did not commit just because it looked like a “nigger”.

Or this guy:

The word is paradigmatically ugly, racist and inflammatory. But is it different when Ice Cube uses it in a song than when, during the O.J. Simpson trial, Mark Fuhrman was accused of saying it? What about when Lenny Bruce uses it to “defang” it by sheer repetition? Or when Mark Twain uses it in The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn to make an antiracist statement? Kennedy, a professor at Harvard Law School and noted legal scholar, has produced an insightful and highly provocative book that raises vital questions about the relationship between language, politics, social norms and how society and culture confront racism. Drawing on a wide range of historical, legal and cultural instances Harry S. Truman calling Adam Clayton Powell “that damned nigger preacher”; Title VII court cases in which the use of the word was proof of condoning a “racially hostile work environment”; Quentin Tarantino’s liberal use of the word in his films Kennedy repeatedly shows not only the complicated cultural history of the word, but how its meaning, intent and even substance change in context. Smart, well argued and never afraid of facing serious, difficult and painful questions in an unflinching and unsentimental manner, this is an important work of cultural and political criticism. As Kennedy notes in closing: “For bad or for good, nigger is… destined to remain with us for the foreseeable future a reminder of the ironies and dilemmas, the tragedies and glories, of the American experience.”

http://www.amazon.com/Nigger-Strange-Career-Troublesome-Word/dp/0375421726

Pee J-

Cool, we can both riff on this one more comfortably, as I think we both play on that team (don’t we? Forgive me if I’m wrong).

“Fag”, used as a term for a person, is, in and of itself, homophobic. It is meant, even when a big fag like me uses it ironically, to leverage an immutable characteristic (or a perceived characteristic) in such a way as to demean an individual. The only way that this ironic or demeaning effect can be achieved is if the word itself is “loaded” with a negative meaning.

Atheist-

You are implying something that I didn’t say at all, which is a bit unfair, don’t you think? I neither said, nor implied, that black people are the “true racists”.

However, it is a racist term even when a black person uses it, yes.

at eschaton, the usual usage if the term is to be invoked, is:

ni*CLANG*

What about “We’re here, we’re queer, get used to it!” or Butt Monkey to take a random example. Are those words offensive per se or does context matter?

“However, it is a racist term even when a black person uses it, yes.”

No.

@BM
Shhhhhh. Nobody here knows about me.

You are a homohobe when you say the word fag. That’s _so_ gay.

t is meant, even when a big fag like me uses it ironically, to leverage an immutable characteristic (or a perceived characteristic) in such a way as to demean an individua

That completely ignores co-option.

Getting back on topic, I think that Joseph Farah and Jonah Goldberg are both a couple of fags.

And a homophobe as well. Also.

“However, it is a racist term even when a black person uses it, yes.”

No.

Because shut-up, that’s why.

You can light up a fag in London and nobody gives a shit. Try to do it in San Fransico and there will be hell to pay.

What about “We’re here, we’re queer, get used to it!” or Butt Monkey to take a random example. Are those words offensive per se or does context matter?

Butt Monkey, funnily enough, isn’t a reference to being gay. It was a reference to “when monkeys fly out of my butt”; see United States Healthcare Reform.

But as for queer (or fag), if they weren’t inherently negative, there wouldn’t be anything to co-opt, would there?

Gah, ok, now I’m boring even me. We can agree to disagree, right?

You know who else wouldn’t release his long form birth certificate . . . ?

Well, your mother has trouble releasing long forms in general.

But, to be on topic, does that joke make me a misogynist?

Because shut-up, that’s why.

No, because context is everything. Do you really want to argue that a black person saying “nigger” is a racist? Really?

“Because shut-up, that’s why.”

BM, are you calling Dave Chapelle, Richard Pryor, Chris Rock and numerous rappers all racists? Context matters.

Was my comment at 2:54 anti-gay, anti-smokng, or just funny?

Thanks for the shout out to Lyndon LaRouche you commie atheist you.
That old school crack pot could of been a Glenn Beck if he had any charisma whatsoever.

I dunno. The Queen of England is conspiring with the Jews to bring dope into this country? That’d be a tough sell even for ol’ Blubbery Beck.

…Try to do it in San Fransico

I’ve been googling frantically for a pic of Elton John, on stage (under the lights), in San Francisco.

Uh, no.

I’m guilty of telling Jesus freak homophobes the following: “Jesus said love thy neighbor, not love thy neighbor unless he’s a fag.”

And guess what? I’ve not met one yet (and I’ve said this to quite a few Jesus freak homophobes) who could even respond to that, and my guess is it’s partly because of the inclusion of the word fag, which is so incongruous with the whole notion of “loving thy neighbor”. People who love their neighbors don’t use derogatory terms to describe them. Hence the idea is enhanced and reinforced by the use of a word which in another context would be aggressively ugly. Perhaps it’s aggressively ugly in this context too, which is why it’s appropriate.

That’s sarcasm directed at homophobes, not homophobia.

Context is everything.

Pantload: Neiwert and Bertlet are deeply invested in their cottage industry of spotting fascism and Nazism in the Republican Party, talk radio and elsewhere.

Well, gee, Dough Bob, this is a very easy thing to resolve.

Have the GOP’s “base” stop acting like brownshirts.

I didn’t say it made them racist, all I said is that the term is itself racist. And kinda ugly. The ugliness of the term is lessened when it is co-opted by its object, but it doesn’t make it less racist. Additionally, in the color-blind world of a comment board, have you considered that there may not be enough context to lessen the ugliness of a word shouted at lynchings and beatings for time out of mind.

Incidentally, would I have more, or less of a point if I told you I was black?

I believe in you, PeeJ.

“Well, your mother has trouble releasing long forms in general.”

Oh yeah. well, your mom’s so stupid that she is going to the National Tea Party Convention just because she likes the taste of balls.

And look, I don’t think ANYBODY here is racist, that isn’t my point. I was just pointing out that maybe that wasn’t the best use of irony in both those comments. It’s only my opinion, but using that word is ugly, and almost never warranted.

Incidentally, would I have more, or less of a point if I told you I was black?

I was going to say yes – since it certainly increases the odds that you’ve already factored in the damage the word has the potential for – but since you just compared me to someone who participates in hate crimes like lynchings – I’m gonna have to say Fuck, You Nigger.

Dave Chapelle, Richard Pryor, Chris Rock and numerous rappers all racists? Context matters.

and yet there’s a reason why Pryor decided to use that term (even in co-opting it) and Chapelle retired (he got quite uncomfortable with whites laughing at his use of the term).

the word itself isn’t racist. but it sure the hell is loaded. and a wee bit dangerous.

Pantload: Neiwert and Bertlet are deeply invested in their cottage industry of spotting fascism and Nazism in the Republican Party, talk radio and elsewhere.

Damn liberals, accusing talk radio people of being Nazis! HOW DARE THEY!!!

At times Savage’s arguments echo the conspiratorial scapegoating of the white supremacist movement: “With the [Latino] population that has emerged, since they breed like rabbits, in many cases the whites will become a minority in their own nation… The white people don’t breed as often for whatever reason. I guess many homosexuals are involved. That is also part of the grand plan, to push homosexuality to cut down on the white race” (San Francisco Bay Guardian, 9/20/00).

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1632

“I dunno. The Queen of England is conspiring with the Jews to bring dope into this country? That’d be a tough sell even for ol’ Blubbery Beck.”

Yes but LLR could put a but monkey to sleep explaining the various nuances of his wild conspiracies. He should learn catch phrases and perhaps cry a little more.

but since you just compared me to someone who participates in hate crimes like lynchings – I’m gonna have to say Fuck, You Nigger.

Where did I do that? Again, it’s unfair to put words in my mouth. I was illustrating exactly why a word like that is ugly and abusive.

But you win. You’ve successfully defended the use of the word “Nigger” by people with the correct political affiliation.

You should be proud.

Have a good one, guys, I won’t be around anymore. Sorry if I offended.

From earlier (the fag went for a fag with his faggy fag and forgot)

Sarah Palin’s spech to the Teabagger’s

Best onomatopoetical lexeme EVAH!

“Have a good one, guys, I won’t be around anymore. Sorry if I offended.”

You did not offend me. I was just engaging in a spirited debate over the use of a word. Perhaps it is you who are offended.

Well, that comma didn’t end up where I wanted.

Where was I? Oh yeah – somewhere on the way to a long-ass boring as fuck, sanctimoniously holier than Joementum lecture. Something about comedy and the nature of relieving stress (something about your mom) about how the sacredest cows make the best steak about explaining the joke until the humour had been so drained of it that it sounds like something that Jonah would say.

What about the joke in the original post? About Zima and long-term raging alcoholism. I mean if we’re going to be complete humourless dildoes, we ought to point out that ALCOHOLISM ISN’T FUNNY.

Penis! Just saying.

Poop, also.

Shitr!

Poop is never funny. It is smelly and messy.
Is penis funny? It depends on the context.

What about the joke in the original post? About Zima and long-term raging alcoholism. I mean if we’re going to be complete humourless dildoes, we ought to point out that ALCOHOLISM ISN’T FUNNY.

Somewhere, Dudley Moore is sobbing quietly.

Is context another word for vagina?

Is penis funny? It depends on the context.

It’s only funny if you’re a man-hating feminist lesbo.

In Re Penis/Funny: Jonah Goldberg grabbing his penis while watching “Ilsa, She Wolf of the SS”? Totally not funny and quite offensive.

Speaking of vaginas, pretty good takedown of Sally Quinn here:

http://mediamatters.org/columns/201001280053

“Is context another word for vagina?”

YES.

“Is context another word for vagina?”

YES.

Except Sally Quinn’s vagina which is always offensive.

Hey, gocart mozart, I know you’ve been checking out the weather chart, is it safe to go outside yet?

Jonah Goldberg grabbing his penis while watching “Ilsa, She Wolf of the SS”? Totally not funny and quite offensive.

okay, okay ,okay, I’M SORRY MR. MOZART. *hangs head in shame*

ALCOHOLISM ISN’T FUNNY.

Hey, at least I tried.

Is penis funny?

you mean “AM PENIS ARE FUNNY!”

ok, great – now i am gonna show up on the google whenever anybody searches for “voltaire penis”

FYWP

He tried – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IGUuVQ_7ZY

Where did I do that?

Oh, I dunno – how about with
Additionally, in the color-blind world of a comment board, have you considered that there may not be enough context to lessen the ugliness of a word shouted at lynchings and beatings for time out of mind.

wev d00d – you wanna take offense at people who you say you don’t think are racists because you say they’re acting like racists, that’s your deal. But I do want to thank you for opening up this opportunity to do that whole deeper conversation about race and such.

I’ll agree that nigger is a loaded word – I think that may have been the second time I’ve typed it in as many years. But you know what? This ain’t exactly one of those “safe havens” where people tiptoe around, never saying what they mean for fear of offending others. This is a place where concern trolls are crucified and bestiality is used as a running joke. Context matters.

Speaking of context making a diffference, perhaps you were trying to get us to agree that “even black people can use the word ‘nigger’ in a racist way”. Well, doy – that’s what we’ve been saying all along. Context matters. We’re just making the point that using the word does not automagically guarantee racism.

Anyways, on the whole safe havens front – this reminds a bit of the lookism crusade that washes through every now and again (note: just reminds me of, not exactly the same as). I swore off fat jokes during one of those waves, and I think it’s actually made me funnier. Cue the peanut gallery pointing out that this means I must have had a negative entertainment factor previously. Cue some jerk to <strike>previously and call it fixed.

I could swear off racist jokes from here on in, but that isn’t going to change my behaviour much. I’d pledge to start working in more racist humour, but those jokes are fucking hard to tell and require more work and talent than I have available. So instead I’ll go with the old standby.

PENIS.

PENIS

Hey! Trigger!

No, really. That _is_ my trigger.

I guess it’s not surprising that The Vagina Monologues lead to all sorts of Penis Monologues. Just ask anyone who’s seen the Prejean tapes.

So, D-KW, where do you now stand on “yo momma who I’m totally doing at this very noment is so fat” jokes?

Also, in the “Totally made up inspirational conservative stories” OT-ville, fuck Tim Tebow’s momma.

No, really. That _is_ my trigger.

STOP MOCKING TRIG PALIN

10010100101001 = A highly compressed image of Muhammad.

Throwing in my own bit of sacrilege.

10010100101001010110 72 ooh la la = one with him in a group setting.

…and some misogyny.

Fuck! I can’t decode it and I WANT MY BLASPHEMY. Oh, maybe it’s in octal, eh? Tricksy bastard.

So, D-KW, where do you now stand on “yo momma who I’m totally doing at this very noment is so fat” jokes?
I kint rightly say that I’m agin ’em, but I’ll be not doin’ yer momma on that cold day when I tells one. Ayup.

Modern conservatives, for the most part, adhere to the “fusionist” school which tries to marry both traditionalism and laissez-faire in one coherent vision. Meanwhile, the Nazis – and, to a lesser extent, the Italian Fascists – rejected both of these worldviews while embracing statism. In my book (literally and figuratively) that puts you on the left.

You know what’s fascinating about this? This is exactly the flaw in Goldberg’s book, but he’s not unaware of it. He’s proud of it.

One of the few good ideas libertarians have ever had is that politics is not one-dimensional. Civil rights and economic “freedom” are not the same thing, so one spectrum from “left” (unfree) to “right” (free) doesn’t make any sense.

There is a narrow argument Goldberg could have made. The Stalinists called fascism “capitalism with the gloves off” (maximal economic freedom coupled to zero political freedom), implying that the power and violence of the state was just acting in service of private power, but that’s not what it was. That’s what Pinochet’s Chile was. Hitler didn’t gas anybody just for being rich, and he didn’t strictly speaking have a problem with anybody (Krupp, Bayer) being rich (as long as they were not Jewish), but they still had to do what he said because he did have a dirigiste economic policy.

If Goldberg had limited himself to such a claim, he would have made sense. Instead, he conflates both axes (political and economic) to one, then calls anything that has a positive projection on that axis “left”, and all “leftists” are the same. Thus, Hitler used Keynesian military spending to end the depression, and Hitler gassed the Jews, therefore anybody who wants to use Keynesian spending wants to gas Jews.

It’s fascinating to me that he knows he did this, and admits he did this, but doesn’t recognize how weak it makes his argument.

MERDRE!

BTW folks, I now have a blog with the two girls I grew up with. If you missed the hilarious zombie song I linked for zrm the other day, you can see it there. That’s all that’s there at the moment.

does that joke make me a misogynist?

No, but it makes your butt look big.

No, but it makes your butt look big.

And you love it. Don’t try to lie.

I like big wangchucks and I cannot lie…

I have to say that reading that Farah shit was easier while listening to Mission of Burma.

Carry on.

Cerberus wrote:

I am that joke (figured out I was trans while expatriating in Denmark). Talk about internet is a small world.

Luckily I enjoy puns.

Look, I’m open-minded, but please, when discussing transsexuality, do not use the words “suck out your will.” It creates… mental pictures.

Hey, where did the colored homo go?

Look, I’m open-minded, but please, when discussing transsexuality, do not use the words “suck out your will.” It creates… mental pictures.

Come on. The “Y” isn’t on the end, so it’s fine.

You may think it silly
To fear for my willy
When speaking of orientation
I don’t mean to preen
But I’m proud of my ween
And don’t wish its re-assignation.