Uh, no
Jon Chait — who still owes the entire world an apology for supporting Joe Loserman back in 2006 when it was obvious to all involved that he’d lost whatever credibility he’d previously had as a Democrat — gives it the old college try and attempts to defend Loserman from charges of dishonesty. How does he do so, you ask? By claiming the poor Joe is just too principled and stupid to actually know what he’s talking about:
I also think liberals, myself included, might be driving ourselves a little nuts trying to divine Lieberman’s motives. He keeps flip-flopping and explaining his shifts by making demonstrably false claims. What’s his game? Why does he keep saying these wrong, uninformed things?
I think one answer here is that Lieberman isn’t actually all that smart. He speaks, and seems to think, exclusively in terms of generalities and broad statements of principle. But there’s little evidence that he’s a sharp or clear thinker, and certainly no evidence that he knows or cares about the details of health care reform.
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I suspect that Lieberman is the beneficiary, or possibly the victim, of a cultural stereotype that Jews are smart and good with numbers. Trust me, it’s not true. If Senator Smith from Idaho was angering Democrats by spewing uninformed platitudes, most liberals would deride him as an idiot. With Lieberman, we all suspect it’s part of a plan. I think he just has no idea what he’s talking about and doesn’t care to learn.
Uh, well, OK. I admit that Joe’s not the brightest senator I’ve ever seen. But at the same time, he’s pretty obviously trying to shaft over Democrats and kill health care reform outright. Yesterday Lieberman rejected a policy compromise on Medicare expansion that was actually less progressive than something he supported as recently as September. Greg Sargent, being the good gumshoe that he is, has obtained the damning video:
Now there’s dumb and then there’s duuuuu-huuuuu-huuuuuuumb. And while I’m more than willing to concede that Joe’s not that bright, he’s never struck me as the sort of person to inadvertently oppose a policy that he once supported a mere three months before. That’s a level of dumb that forces you to be fed with rubber safety forks and I’m pretty sure Joe isn’t that freaking stupid.
It’s easy to be hypocritical when you are supporting a position spoon-fed to you by those who own you.
It’s like the quarterback who doesn’t call his own plays. You can’t expect him to get them right all the time.
I prefer Molly Ivins quote:
“if his IQ slips any lower, he’ll have to be watered twice a day”
Not saying that’s Holy Joe, necessarily, but I find it hard to argue with this:
He speaks, and seems to think, exclusively in terms of generalities and broad statements of principle. But there’s little evidence that he’s a sharp or clear thinker,
Although admittedly, it seems that there is a large, mean, bitter streak running through him also.
Chait is as disingenuous as LIEberman.
He’s clearly smart enough to make a fool of you, Jon.
That doesn’t even rise to the level of damming with faint praise. “Don’t mind my friend, he’s too fucking stupid to know what he’s doing.”
Either LIEberman is smart enough to make a fool of Chait or Chait is being as disingenuous as LIEberman.
Also FYWP
It’s like the old debate about W:
Stupid, evil…evil, stupid…
Wait! Who says he can’t be both!
It’s a dessert topping and a floor wax!
oh… is this a good time to recall that Bill Clinton and Barack Obama came to the aid of this walking abortion when his campaign was failing?
Hello? IS this thing on? Is anybody out there?
FYWP I DID NOT POST this comment. It’s NOT A DUPLICATE. FYWP
Either LIEberman is smart enough to make a fool of Chait or Chait is being as disingenuous as LIEberman.
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is this a good time to recall that Bill Clinton and Barack Obama came to the aid of this walking abortion when his campaign was failing?
Is there ever a bad time?
Hey, PeeJ?
PENIS
What the crap is he talking about?
If this were a Senator from Idaho (say – one Larry Craig or one Mike Crapo – take your pick) voting against health reform because of ludicrous claims of death panels and creeping totalitarian socialism, we’d say he was an idiot because the claims are on their face idiotic. The legislation doesn’t convey the power they claim.
If one claims the legislation will destroy the insurance industry or that it will bankrupt Medicare or that it will balloon the national debt, we’d say he is an idiot because there is no research outside the wingnut think tanks to support such a claim and a great deal of evidence to suggest the direct opposite.
But he wouldn’t be idiots because he has “no idea what he’s talking about and doesn’t care to learn”, he’d be an idiot because he knows he is lying and doesn’t think he’s going to get caught.
Lieberman, like his (not so hypothetical) Idaho counterparts, is lying and doesn’t think he’s going to get caught. But he caucuses with the Dem party, which makes him an idiot to be sure. But it makes him our idiot. And it starts raising alarms when we can’t keep our own idiots in line.
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Let’s try this ONE MORE FUCKING TIME
Either LIEberman is smart enough to make a fool of Chait or Chait is being as disingenuous as LIEberman.
Also FYWP
“That’s a level of dumb that forces you to be fed with rubber safety forks.”
That line is the only thing that could possibly redeem the inexpressibly hideous day I’ve had at work. Bless you, Brad.
I still think he is one of the main reasons Gore lost in 2000. I hope the senate Dems have the stones to kick him out of the caucus.
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Clearing cache, deleting cookies and restarting opera for every comment I want to make SUCKS FYWP FYWP FYWP
Either LIEberman is smart enough to make a fool of Chait or Chait is being as disingenuous as LIEberman.
Also FYWP
Also, for actor
I don’t think he’s stupid or sneaky. I just think that the health insurance industry has him by the balls and won’t let go.
Felonius, I also get the impression that he likes it that way. Both for the cash rewards, and…other reasons.
It’s shocking that a man who supported McCain for the presidency last year, and who did not concede gracefully when he lost the support of CT Democratic primary voters, would now be opposing legislation by the Dem party in the Senate. And by shocking, I mean, not in the least bit surprising.
it seems to have surprised the hell out of the Village though.
everybody else, not so much.
Can I try this one more fucking time? WordPress is very very angry with me, it seems. FYWP FYWP FYWP
Clearing cache, deleting cookies and restarting opera for every comment I want to make SUCKS FYWP FYWP FYWP
Either LIEberman is smart enough to make a fool of Chait or Chait is being as disingenuous as LIEberman.
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Why? Why does WordPress hate me?
I deleted the cookies. I cleared the disk cache. I rebooted. I used a different browser. And this enables me to make precisely ONE comment. Each time.
I’ve been trying to post this for half an hour.
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Clearing cache, deleting cookies and restarting opera for every comment I want to make SUCKS FYWP FYWP FYWP
Either LIEberman is smart enough to make a fool of Chait or Chait is being as disingenuous as LIEberman.
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Chrome? Can you help me?
PENIS.
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Clearing cache, deleting cookies and restarting opera for every comment I want to make SUCKS FYWP FYWP FYWP
Been trying to say this ever since their were only two comments.
Either LIEberman is smart enough to make a fool of Chait or Chait is being as disingenuous as LIEberman.
Also FYWP
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A quick prayer to Murphy and……
He speaks, and seems to think, exclusively in terms of generalities and broad statements of principle.
And he gets a lot of calls from the Sunday morning teevee shows, who apparently seek out that kind of talkin’.
PENIS.
“Sin Chew Daily”
Heh.
What I wouldn’t give to get a personal one-on-one interview with Joe so I could ask him what the fuck.
And then trank him, stuff him in a weighted sack, and dump him in the mid-Atlantic.
I will support any healthcare package that allows me to euthanize my annoying relatives. Private, public, I don’t give a rat’s ass. My own health would vastly improve.
Ding dong dilly, silly Sadlies, does Joltin’ Joe ever have you loony libs in a fever fit! Ya better believe that Da Cool Coach isn’t the only votin’ American who sees Lead-berman as the true post-partisan king of the Capitol Hill! It certainly ain’t your crazy crew- Obummer, Bummer Biden, Hitlery, Nancy Ped’oh!si, and Horrible Harry! You wanna rethink 2010, libs? Because with Joltin’ Joe leading the way, the GOP is ready to sack you sillies in a comeback attack! Badoodle-boo-yeah!
Hear that? The SPREAD’s the WORD, libs. Urban out.
“Sin Chew Daily”
Heh.
Totally staying away from the “Yellow River” By I P Freeley
“I think one answer here is that Lieberman isn’t actually all that smart. He speaks, and seems to think, exclusively in terms of generalities and broad statements of principle.”
The operative words here are “seems to think”. The only thing Jowls Lieberman thinks about is all those Insurance Companies in CT who finance him at election time.
He is another freakin corporate whore, like most of them, only he doesn’t even try to hide it.
Now that’s something the JanusNode has a hard time pulling off.
Says a prayer to Murphy…..
Either LIEberman is smart enough to make a fool of Chait or Chait is being as disingenuous as LIEberman.
Also FYWP
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I don’t know why the Dem caucus puts up with him. It’d make just as much sense to give a committee chairmanship to Boehner, as much help Lieberman is.
Fuck off, Urban
Now that’s something the JanusNode has a hard time pulling off.
Bang it with a hammer a couple times.
Yet another fucking test in my valiant but (so far) vain attempt to make one teeny tiny comment. If I don’t use the effwyedoubleupee maybe w_r_d_r_s_ will take pity on me.
Either LIEberman is smart enough to make a fool of Chait or Chait is being as disingenuous as LIEberman.
Also FYWP
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please please please STOP THE TORTURE
Bang it with a hammer a couple times.
That’s what she said.
Now that’s something the JanusNode has a hard time pulling off.
Bang it with a hammer a couple times.
Feed it a spread of truth.
OT-
Glennzilla is (semi-)endorsing Jake “Dat Ass” Tapper for host of This Week.
So, you know, I kinda won’t be taking Greenwald seriously much anymore.
That news story is straight out of The World According to Garp.
Color (colour?) me dubious.
Lieberman might’ve been a centrist or a Blue Dog or whatever at one time, but nowadays he’s running on pure spite. He isn’t even hiding it behind the excuse of being fiscally responsible or not wanting to move things too fast; he’s clearly just being a prissy primadonna to sate his own ego and get back at his colleagues who apparently didn’t bend over backwards quite enough for him.
POOP.
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I don’t think “backward” is the way Lieberman wants his colleagues to bend over for him.
He likes the dual teabag/fellatio combo. Saves time.
I don’t think “backward” is the way Lieberman wants his colleagues to bend over for him.
It fulfills his Vietnamese hooker fantasy.
the only redeeming thing about joe lieberman is that he reminds me so much of droopy dog, who is actually kind of cute as the bellhop in “who framed roger rabbit?” “nhyer fehloor, sir. heafve a ged dhay, sir.”
other than that, i think he’s owned by the healthcare industry, powered by a volatile mixture of spite and ego, and not particularly the brightest congresscritter we’ve got. (but while we’re getting really specific about our diagnoses, i’ll assert that his corporate ownership, his spitefulness, and his massive ego each constitute individually sufficient reasons for him to be doing his part to ruin any chance at healthcare reform.
ps: harry reid really needs to take his committee chair away. i don’t think he’s going to…but he really, really, really should.
Why not the icy waters of the North Atlantic?
Also, Cut it out Peej. Also.
I’ve been trying to make this comment for well over an hour, fy very much wp.
I think one answer here is that Lieberman isn’t actually all that smart.
Either LIEberman is smart enough to make a fool of Chait or Chait is being as disingenuous as LIEberman.
Raise your hand if you’ve been thinking that Lieberman must be real smart because he’s Jewish.
Bang it with a hammer a couple times.
That’s what she said.
Oh, did you also have “a hard time pulling it off?”
Oh, did you also have “a hard time pulling it off?”
It got all swolled.
Rest, ice, compression, elevation. ESPECIALLY ICE!
It’s the compression bit that intrigues me.
Ace bandages? Or a wet suit, but only one unless you’re a preacher.
Uh oh…
I scuba dive, I’m allowed one.
“DIving for Dildoes,” f/ actor212.
“Rest, ice, compression, elevation. ESPECIALLY ICE!”
Ideas, newsletter, you know the drill.
DIving for Dildoes
Obviously, Cousteau used a French Tickler.
Always. ALWAYS. Trust. the Shorter.
I actually had a subscription to The New Republic in the early 2000s. It was exactly this kind of neocon drivel on the part of Jon Chait, Peter Beinart, and others of that ilk that had the nerve to call themselves Democrats that led to me cancelling my subscription and telling them to never darken my door again.
What primary will he lose: The lieberman for Lieberman Party? He is not a Democrat and his support among Connecticut democrats is shit.
“Lieberman’s overall approval rating is 49%, with 44% disapproval. Among Republicans, his approval is 74%-20%, with Democrats against him by 31%-62%, and independents approving by 52%-40%.”
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/11/poll-connecticut-voters-see-lieberman-as-being-more-republican-than-democratic.php
His only chance of winning reelection is as an independant in a three way race or as a Republican.
that Jews are smart and good with numbers
And the shiksas flock to us. I know what Joe Lieberman suffers.
It’s not MY fault for helping re-elect Lieberman in the first place, it’s YOUR fault for being too anti-Semitic to realize Lieberman isn’t smart enough to remember what major domestic policy positions he took three months ago!
One thing. I saw an interview with Urban Meyer just before UF got whipped by ‘Bama, and he did not say “ba-boodle” once nor did he mention Sarah Palin. I don’t know what to believe anymore.
Second thing. Just saw on the toob that Dennis Miller is hosting the WWE “Slammie” Awards. It’d almost be worth watching for the comic mismatch, ’cause that’d be funnier than anything that comes out of Miller’s mouth.
It’d almost be worth watching for the comic mismatch, ’cause that’d be funnier than anything that comes out of Miller’s mouth.
And best of all, you’d only have to watch for about 30 seconds to get the full effect of the comic mismatch.
Speaking of wrastling.
From J— ‘s link, Jeff “Animal Mother” Goldstein:
I’ve probably gotten into it with about a half dozen people over the years, some of whom if I ran into them in the street I would beat their ass without hesitation.
And me, I READILY ADMIT TO THREATENING TO BEAT CERTAIN PEOPLE’S ASSES. And you know what? I’d still do it to most of them if we ever met up. So?
Notice how he doesn’t say he has beaten deserving ass in his time, just that he’s willing if those miscreants ever are so unfortunate to cross his manly path. I’d be willing to be good money that this dingleberry has never, ever been in a physical confrontation of any kinds, much less beat anyone’s ass.
Not smart, thinks in broad terms, can’t be bothered with the details. Hmmm.
All we need is “Trusts his gut,” and we’ll have Gee Dubya Bush Bingo.
Christ, these people tire me.
This Jeff Goldstein?
http://rightwingnews.com/mt331/2009/06/hottest_new_media_guys_on_the.php
My neighbor’s cat could take him.
Hmm. Little Boy Rustle has picked up on the video…
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/12/14/2151687.aspx
I CAN HAZ YOUZFUL IDIOTS, ALX? FOR ELLEBBEN?
Speaking of POOP, as I commented over at TPM earlier today:
Didn’t I hear that Conrad Burns suffered a stroke the other day? If he can’t be in the Senate, doesn’t that change the math for cloture votes? And if so…
Maybe the way to get a good health care bill through the Senate is to engage in some biological warfare, infecting a few people like Lieberman with some agent that will cause violent illness for a week or so…while they’re out, pass the damn bill. My vote would be for an agent that causes explosive diarrhea, so Joe can have the shit shooting out of both ends for a while.
seems to me the writer assumes the reader isn’t that bright and doesn’t know what he or she is talking about, and doesn’t care to learn but take Chait’s word for it.
Conrad Burns was defeated by Jon Tester.
Conrad Burns was defeated by Jon Tester.
Before or after the stroke?
Also, cloture requires 60 affirmative votes. The 40 filibusterers don’t matter, they don’t even have to vote, 59-0 is a failure to invoke cloture.
That was part of the deal struck when it changed from 2/3 “present and voting” to 3/5 “duly chosen and sworn” in the 70s.
when it changed from 2/3 “present and voting” to 3/5 “duly chosen and sworn” in the 70s.
We need to change it to “a majority present and breathing.”
Haven’t looked in here in hours. Lemmee guess: It’s the Joe LIEberman show.
Just consider, idiot Loserman looked like Einstein correcting doddering old fool McCain on the campaign trail last year (in the few moments when his head was extracted from Lindsay Graham’s crotch).
This is what your tax money pays for – short bus riders escorting dementia patients.
PENIS for PeeJ.
FYWP.
Best suggestion for dealing with Joe the Chummer was here:
If he were doing this kind of thing and weren’t a senator, there’d be a pretty clear case for a conservatorship and perhaps involuntary commitment. He apparently can’t remember statements he made in public only a few days or weeks ago, his behavior has become erratic…
See, Joe’s not a bitter, vindictive, narcissistic asshole with low self-esteem and an even lower ethical standard: he’s just getting senile!
Evil, yes … but stupid?
I can think of no better indicator of foolishness than being able to campaign for one party, then get the other party to let you keep your high-prestige cabinet portfolio in their new government when the candidate you shilled for loses – even while you’re helping their opponents to slap around one of their core initiatives in public … yeah, what a buffoon!
He’ll be pimping a tell-all book just like Palin once he finally loses his seat – & given that there were enough bipedal grommets walking around unsupervised to re-elect him, I’m betting it’ll make him some sweet lettuce too.
Thanks to the comment releasing fairies!
Aww, I say we give Joe one more chance.
This is what your tax money pays for – short bus riders escorting dementia patients.
No, it’s not our tax money that’s to blame, it is WE, who elect sacks of shit like Holy Joe, Closet-case Graham & John Sidney III. Shame on all of you.
Thanks to the comment releasing fairies!.
I am NAH GUNNA go back up there & look!
Fxrd for Great RIM!
He keeps flip-flopping and explaining his shifts by making demonstrably false claims. What’s his game?
Umm…I’m gonna make a really big leap here…
My answer is…he’s flip-flopping and making demonstrably false claims.
It’s not often that I wish harm on fellow human beings. But I’ll just say that if Joe Lieberman were to develop, say, pancreatic cancer…well, I’ll just say that I wouldn’t cry a whole lot.
I suppose it would be indelicate of me to imagine, with a slight smile, Lieberman being ‘Berlusconi’d’ right about now?
Pretty good photoshop of Lieberman over at Firedog Lake.
Hmmm.
Something something something, rusty Garden Weasel, something.
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who still owes the entire world an apology for supporting Joe Loserman back in 2006 when it was obvious to all involved that he’d lost whatever credibility he’d previously had as a Democrat
You know, there were those of us who realized all of the above back in 2000. But…
Aw, screw it…I’m simply not willing to have that argument again. I hated Joe Lieberman’s lying fucking ass back in November of 2000, which is why I voted against him then. I continue to be thankful to this day that I never cast a vote for him. My conscience is clear. As for the rest of you, I’ll leave it to you to sort it out for yourselves. After all, things would have been so much better if he’d been the Vice President…
In the 2000 election I checked out Lieberman’s voting record as compared to Cheney’s, and Liberman’s was really quite liberal and reasonable. Something… twisted… him inside, maybe loosing the election, although he conceded early on, didn’t he? I think his support of McCain was a vain hope that Lieberman would be VP. I smirk at the picture of his ugly face when Sarah Palin was chosen. What a slap in the face! And no one deserved it more than Lieberman.
Once more.
Blah blah blah, Garden Weasel, blah blah blah.
So, he’s still “With us on everything but the war” I see.
feh
Don’t worry DKos Dems, if you just keep supporting Obama and Harry Reid, eventually they’re gonna take you seriously and not treat you like the fringe lepers that you are.
The fact is that Republicans will take back both houses in 2010, and we’re taking back the White House in 2012
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Hi vulgar socialists. Closed-mindedness is all you can hope for, you decrepit bitches!
Still too literate. You gotta work some humerus misspellings in there.
Sorry, I meant humourous.
or, mebbe, humorless. or mechanical.
@Shorter Jon Chait:
I do believe the shorter, I DO I DO believe the shorter.
Joe’s a Republicrud, so why doesn’t he cross the floor already and get it over with.
I wonder if we could get that chick from the overstock.com commercials to do a voice-loop saying “it’s all about the Joe”, and then run it in ads inciting Lieberman hatred. I can hear it now: “Lieberman is blocking health care reform for every person in America because he’s got an axe to grind with the people who are most supportive of it. Never mind that 45,000 people die from lack of insurance coverage each year. Never mind that a million Americans go bankrupt every year because of medical expenses. Never mind that we pay more and get less coverage than citizens in every other country. Because when it comes to health care reform, just like in the Lieberman for Lieberman Party, it’s all about the Joe.”
Not that anything like public pressure could change the spiteful little troll’s mind about fucking over everyone in the country. At this point, just pissing him off would make me feel better.
Seriously, why do I even care. I don’t live in the US and never going too. And still I read this blog and Balloon Juice every damn day, even though most of the stuff I read about here just pisses me off enormously >.<
He is dumb – but he is AIPAC’s favorite dumb Senator, which means he has considerable standing despite his obvious failings.
the game is rigged – (you) we always lose
Joe’s a Republicrud, so why doesn’t he cross the floor already and get it over with.
I doubt he could pass the new GOP purity test. Even Joe’s not batshit crazy enough for them right now.
Even Joe’s not batshit crazy enough for them right now.
Yeah but he’s a big enough asshole to fit right in.
He speaks, and seems to think, exclusively in terms of generalities and broad statements of principle.
This is why the media loves them some holy Joe. I remember when I was (as an undergrad) trying to get on the staff of my university newspaper, I wrote an article about a one-off event and the editor insisted that the even was the “first annual” [X] because if it wasn’t going to be weekly or monthly, etc., it would be annually. News-types lurve to think in tropes.
And Joe “thinks” like one of them.
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Meanwhile the genius 11-dimensional chess players on Team Obama are gonna sign into law a bill that 53% of people oppose even though health care reform was popular before the wanker caucus got to it. And the wanker caucus and their allies in the so-called liberal media say that ‘Murka is a center-right nation and moderation is politically advisable to appeal to the hoi polloi?
Well, “moderation in all things” is a trope, ain’t it?
“DIving for Dildoes,” f/ actor212.
Sure would explain all those “sea slugs” I keep leaving behind.
I suppose it would be indelicate of me to imagine, with a slight smile, Lieberman being ‘Berlusconi’d’ right about now?
Only with a ninja throwing star.
With frikkin’ lasers.
Notice how he doesn’t say he has beaten deserving ass in his time, just that he’s willing if those miscreants ever are so unfortunate to cross his manly path.
I’m tempted to go in there, incite him to threaten me, then make a point of standing on his front doorstep.
Please no one forget that Obama actively supported Lieberman and bears responsibility for this debacle.
Is Joe Lieberman a real cocksucker?
I have no respect for this men. He will never remember as a good senator or good American citizen.