The Virtue Of Cluelessness
New York AG Andrew Cuomo slapped Intel with a federal antitrust suit today. Ayn Rand-wannabes respond predictably:
Nvidia Rumored to Compete in Supposedly Uncompetitive Market
By Elizabeth Jacobson
Rumors abound that graphics chip maker Nvidia is getting set to enter the x86 processor market. Recall that, according to AMD’s lawyers, the processor market is uncompetitive and being unfairly monopolized by Intel.
Now, if the antitrust lawyers are correct, and the CPU market is uncompetitive and needs government intervention, then there must be some barriers to entry that are keeping other competitors out of the market, allowing Intel to reap outrageous profits. However, if Nvidia can and does enter the processor market and supply an alternative processor product line, where would that leave the antitrust argument?
We’re not sure where it would leave the antitrust argument since it has no relevance to it, but such a development would certainly raise questions as to whether Intel itself is as uniquely great at making CPUs as it constantly claims to be.
Snappy answers to stupid questions, etc., but let’s go a little deeper:
1. Nvidia already commissions ARM-based CPUs on its Tegra platform for CE devices (the Zune HD for example).
2. Via already makes ultra-low power x86 CPUs that compete with Intel’s Atom.
3. Most importantly, the period of time when Intel allegedly behaved anti-competitively is not today and certainly not whatever tomorrow that Nvidia happens to build an x86 central processor business.*
Instead, Intel is charged with illegal anti-competitive practices in a very specific time frame, from roughly 2000 to 2006, during which period AMD began shipping its possibly superior Athlon and Opteron products, yet found difficulty at every turn distributing them to OEMs.
We can’t know what would have happened in that period if Intel hadn’t used its bigger pocketbook to essentially buy its way through this period of competitive disadvantage to AMD without losing its dominant market share. We can guess that AMD might have grown its share to 30 or 40 percent of the market in several processor segments instead of peaking at 25 percent.
What we do know is that the credible competition from AMD certainly seems to have lit a fire of innovation under Intel’s ass in the early to mid-2000s, and Intel later countered AMD with superior Intel products from roughly 2006 to today. That part of the competition played out as it should in organic fashion, but the part where AMD grabbed market share during its own period of superiority obviously never happened … and it’s pretty clear to many people why it didn’t.
*Though it’s worth noting that Intel has told Nvidia it can’t make integrated graphics products for Intel’s current-generation Nehalem architecture, per their cross-license, a point which Nvidia disputes, and which also might explain why Nvidia is even tempted to get into the x86 CPU game in the first place, seeing as how Intel might be perceived as attempting to drive them out of business.
There is, like, zero poop content in this post, and as much penis.
A Randroid failing to read something thoroughly before shouting about it? I am shocked!
And here I thought competition was the cornerstone to capitalism. I would think free-market afficianados would be the ones fighting hardest against monopolies. But once the government is involved, suddenly the invisible hand is everything.
You’re getting way too complicated, and technical, and legalish, and, and, and ….Dagny! Dagny!
“And here I thought competition was the cornerstone to capitalism.”
Classic capitalism, yes.
Neo-Kapitalists cant have competition and like chinese workers and whatnot cuz they work on the cheep and we can compete globally and so forth. Also. get a brian, moran.
But wait… which company had a brilliant, handsome, misunderstood millionaire spinning solar systems out of his outstretched palm and being persecuted for it?
That is the only way to know who the objective hero is.
which company had a brilliant, handsome, misunderstood millionaire
This is computer stuff. We don’t do handsome in the computer biz.
This is computer stuff. We don’t do handsome in the computer biz.
You don’t say…
I’m not trying to suggest this is a dry post. I just felt like putting Chapstick on my nipples.
Basically Intel is going to put graphics processors on it’s CPU chips and shut out Nvidia from the bus. Nvidia is shitting it’s collective pants, as well they should. (I think I have that right but who knows.)
Definitely needs more PENIS.
Am I supposed to find this Stallman fellow unattractive?
Umm…. is this about poop, Carrie Prejean, or Teh Stoopid?
No?
Gotta go to sleep now.
Butbutbut a company trying to ruin its competitors at the expense of consumers is how America got so awesome!
I would say the post needs more zombies, but, I suspect we are well represented among the working forces at Nvidia and Intel.
Maybe more brussels sprouts.
Brussels sprouts are the Jew of culinary fascism.
Definitely more Miss Opposite-Solo-Sex though…
Brussels sprouts are the Hamburger of Brussels.
Brussels sprouts…..Mmmmmm
BRANES are the hamburger of Wisconsin!
tell it to Ed Gein, J Neo.
Intel should just argue they were adhering to their “fiduciary obligations” to maximize share values in a climate amenable to using any and all methods (including illegal) to generate profits.
The Bush Administration’s complete lack of enforcement compelled Intel’s executives into criminal behavior.
NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERDS
Where?
oh.
D. Aristophanes:
Exactly. I’m not a fan boy of any of the processor makers — but even now, it’s clear that if you want a sub $150 chip, you’ll be better off with one of AMD’s Athlon II’s or Phenom II’s. Above $150, you’ll do better with Intel’s i5-750 or i7-860.
I have to confess that I’m somewhat confused, though, by the rumors of NVidia entering the x86 market. As far as I know, AMD is the only manufacturer licensed to clone the x86 architecture — as a result of a huge court case between Intel and AMD in the 90’s, based on licensing rights AMD got as a former contractor supplying chips to Intel.
So, I don’t know what legal basis NVidia has to enter the x86 market. I know NVidia has already dropped making northbridge components for x86 motherboards based on a suit between them and Intel, and that would seemingly be less encumbered than the x86 architecture itself.
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Basically Intel is going to put graphics processors on it’s CPU chips and shut out Nvidia from the bus. Nvidia is shitting it’s collective pants, as well they should. (I think I have that right but who knows.)
That’s right, but it’s going to happen a lot slower on the mainstream chips and a lot sooner on the Atom line, which will be System-on-Chips with GPUs on the die like, next year or something. So Nvidia gets squeezed out there, and fair enough.
Yet at the same time Intel is saying the cross-license with Nvidia forbids Nvidia from building integrated graphics that work with the mainstream chips because … well, just because. Nvidia is battling this in court, of course, but has already stopped making new motherboard graphics for the Intel Nehalem chips.
I know NVidia has already dropped making northbridge components for x86 motherboards based on a suit between them and Intel, and that would seemingly be less encumbered than the x86 architecture itself.
This is because Intel’s new Nehalem architecture essentially eliminates the Northbridge by integrating the memory controller onto the CPU die. That is the essence of Intel’s argument (and lawsuit) that Nvidia can’t make chipsets for Nehalem – Intel says their cross-license only allowed Nvidia to make actual Northbridge components, so no Northbridge, no Nvidia chipsets.
Also, nobody knows what the Intel-AMD x86 cross license allows or doesn’t allow, because neither of those two mega-corps will let anybody see it.
Also, this is the least Sadly, No-esque post ever. We will return to your scheduled poop and penises shortly.
D. Aristophanes:
True. But either way, that would still seem to cut NVidia out of the x86 market. So I’m still finding that rumor kind of puzzling. I’m not saying it isn’t true, just that I don’t see how they break into that market without a cross-license with Intel or AMD, neither of whom are likely to enter into one with NVidia.
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Sorry to get all tech-y there. I guess my point is just that Jacobsen’s point is pretty flawed due to the possibility that NVidia might not even be able to enter the x86 market due to legal barriers — which Jacobsen seems to think don’t exist.
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We will return to your scheduled poop and penises shortly.
Please do not forget THE BUTTOCKS.
You’ve got to wonder how all these “the-only-way-the-market-can-be-fair-is-if-government-stays-right-out-of-it” respond to sports. Presumably they think it’s outrageous that games have rules and referees, and fair play would mean letting the richest teams field a thousand men and arm them.
You’ve got to wonder how all these “the-only-way-the-market-can-be-fair-is-if-government-stays-right-out-of-it” respond to sports.
Someone would eventually bring up the NFL’s antitrust exemption, and the poop, PENIS, and Orly Taitz would start really flying.
I’m sure ’nuff clueless here.
So, what’s this I hear about TMZ having a solo sex tape of Dagny?
Well I’m in way over my head here, but that’s never stopped me before.
Maybe I don’t understand the term “barriers to entry”, but in terms of markets that have a steep cost of entering, wouldn’t microprocessor manufacture be a good example? Massive R&D and capital start-up costs, the licensing nightmare, the wealth of unfair distributor agreements cited in Jacobson’s own second link. I guess I must be wrong about this since there are so very many players in the personal computer CPU business.
Aannndd completely off topic (heh):
Multiple news sources are reporting AARP will endorse Pelosi’s plan. I think this is a good thing, if for no other reason than now the Wingnuts will be forced to attack the Olden Folks as NazisocialistStalinHitler-lovers, which should further solidify their base.
In other words, this is good for Republicans.
Thy do you fags hate the free enterprise system? It’s in OUR CONSITUTION, which by the way has nothing about fags or free health care, so SUCK IT
Looch:
Then the Tea Partiers will form their own old people’s group: the Dandy Organization of Retired Conservatives, aka DORC’s.
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Conservatives, aka DORC’s.
Or…
People Opposing Oppressive Policy, aka
POOP!
Yay! I’ve saved the thread!
How do I get all these socialist fags to leave my country?
A lot of it seems to be based on loose speculation on what nVidia aims to do, so why would anyone attempt to boil down such an unsettled question into Randian snark? Oh, right, that’s what those types do.
Aannnd, ON topic:
I remember back in the day when Microsoft was getting hit with various anti-trust and monopoly charges asking and being asked about Intel’s market dominance. It was very interesting that Intel never got the same scrutiny, even as it was seen as an equal co-partner of the “Wintel” juggernaut. Did Intel try and control the market by threatening computer makers with cut-offs of CPUs if they dared to offer AMD-based models? What do you think?
Burn in Dell, Looch!
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What those basterds did to my company can never be repaid!!!
Either I get the newest, best chips or somebody gets a nuke up the ass.
I’m dating Julie Christie, whom I’ve seen naked.
Hilarious! I’ve never seen a post so utterly, and so succinctly, destroyed in its own comments as that Jacobson piece. I felt sorry for her, but if you post stuff on the internet without even knowing the definitions of the words you’re using, it’s pretty much your own fault.
Athlon and Opteron
Yep. Those chips were certainly as good or better. But few OEMs would touch them for fear of pissing off Andy Grove.
or somebody gets a nuke up the ass.
Is that what the kids are calling it these days?
Just when I thought a completely un-snarkable S,N! post had finally reached the intarwebs, some brilliant soul proves me wrong. Bravo! (or Brava!, as the case may be).
Note to Ron Howard: Please please please with sugar on top, go ahead and do the remake. You know you want to.
go ahead and do the remake.
In the listing for the movie there is a link indicating there is “pretend sex” somewhere in the film. I’m thinking Carrie Prejean in the remake.
DA,
I had to read thru your analysis twice.
Now, I’m a reasonably bright man with a really good degree from a top notch B-school, which forced me to take two semester of Business Law, and Business Ethics.
So I had two full years’ exposure to antitrust law.
I say all that, because if it took me that much effort (which I gladly made to understand the situation) to read the Nvidia case, how surprised could you possibly be that the average Neaderthal right winger threw their hands up and just exasperated “damn liberals!”?
And besides, Apple still makes a better computer.
What?
SOMEone had to go there!
I’ve never seen a post so utterly, and so succinctly, destroyed in its own comments
Yeah, the time travel comments are pretty awesome.
But there’s an even more obvious point she is missing. If Intel is no longer doing what it is accused of, and Nvidia is now competing in the market, does that not support the anti-trust case?
I’m not about to say that correlation = causation… I’m just a random lurker, not some glibertarian nitwit paid to jump to conclusions… I’ll leave it for the judges to decide if this is a mere coincidink.
No love for Seymour Cray and his brother Reggie?
” it’s clear that if you want a sub $150 chip, you’ll be better off with one of AMD’s Athlon II’s or Phenom II’s. Above $150, you’ll do better with Intel’s i5-750 or i7-860… by the rumors of NVidia entering the x86 market….clone the x86 architecture — I know NVidia ….northbridge components for x86 motherboards …. less encumbered than the x86 architecture itself….
Intel’s new Nehalem architecture … the Northbridge by integrating the memory controller onto the CPU die. Nvidia can’t make chipsets for Nehalem – Intel says their cross-license only allowed Nvidia to make actual Northbridge components, so no Northbridge, no Nvidia chipsets…”
Then Dragonking sez: “Maybe I don’t understand the term “barriers to entry”…
Which is all we really needed to know because Nvidia is obviously of vaginal type origin and Intel, is of course IN which implies male origin, therefore the summary is complete.
Intel wants into Nvidia and Nvidia said no. No wait a minute. Nvidia wants into Intel and Intel said “I’ll stick it to ya!”
Anyway, PENISES. VAGINAS and SEXUAL REFERENCES.
Not to dismiss the important issues of antitrust law and how free-market wingnuts continue to dislike government protection of free markets.
How do I get all these socialist fags to leave my country? – Victory
Does this remind anyone of a certain troll?
I joked yesterday about Google poking fun at Andrew Blartblart by having Big Bird in their logo. Today they have the Cookie Monster! Coincidence?
Substance McGravitas said,
November 5, 2009 at 6:21
“There is, like, zero poop content in this post, and as much penis.”
This is so true and very sad. I want my country back.
Do you work in the industry, D? Cuz you seem to know a lot about this stuff. That said, yeah, I can see that there might be an antitrust case for the period 2000-2006 since AMD products were theoretically better then—I’m still of the opinion that 64-bit is (currently) pointless and let’s face it, it was more that NetBurst/Pentium 4 sucked than AMD had good products—but these days I find nothing more annoying than AMD fanboys. They’re almost as bad as the Windows crowd—it’s not so much that they believe in their particular product/platform of choice as much as they hate the other guy. Which is kind of sad, really.
And besides, Apple still makes a better computer.
Using Intel CPUs … but also Nvidia onboard graphics at the expense of Intel’s crappy graphics, which Intel is none too pleased about, but which is competition as it should be. And by the way, the Apple switch to Nvidia in its MacBooks only happened late last year, so maybe all antitrust actions taken against Intel around the world have actually emboldened computer makers to buy the components they want, from who they want.
Speaking of The Onion: Victim In Fatal Car Accident Tragically Not Glenn Beck.
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And in other Randian news, Ayn Rand said;
It has now emerged that she was off her face on amphetamines for decades. A is A indeedy.
Simba B – agreed that fanboyz are teh lame, Apple’s being the very worst. But maybe the computer industry needs them in some weird way to keep smaller players alive and forcing bigger players to keep innovating. At least on the consumer client side of things … in the commercial space and data centers, it’s all about what hardware/software combo can do the most using the least amount of power. Or would be, except that gargantuans like Cisco and HP are now consolidating so many products under their umbrellas that they are brand-locking their customers into only buying from them … so it’s pretty fucked however you look at it, I guess. Poop and penises.
SUCK IT SLASHDOT!!111!@@!11~
Teh Sadlys is movin’ in on ur terf!!!
1. Nvidia already commissions ARM-based CPUs on its Tegra platform for CE devices (the Zune HD for example).
Needs moar Foreskin.
Also.
Wait, Carrie Prejean has a tape? Is this pre-fake boobies or post-fake boobies?
Inquiring minds want to know. For Jesus. Such as.
But that’s central to her point. Amphetamines make you faster stronger and more alert. It is truly the transhumanist narcotic.
Intel are going to take years to build or buy the kind of graphics expertise that Nvidia have. Every graphics chip Intel has made has been low power shit.
Since AMD bought ATI, it makes no sense for Intel to snub Nvidia.
Intel have lost a crapload of the enthusiast market, due to poor pricing, underperforming products, and the godawful pin-on-board LGA sockets, which were just a giant fuck you to motherboard manufacturers. Nvidia however, have done very very well out of the geek market, taking virtually all of the emerging linux user market share.
Yes, I have been a bit of an AMD fanboy ever since the K6, but Intel stand to lose a LOT. And frankly, if they don’t develop a consistently high quality product range, nobody is going to miss them much. If they kissed up to Nvidia, they could some cpu/chipset/gpu combinations which would be much more appealing. Nvidia produced some bloody good AMD chipsets over the years, they could do the same for Intel.
Nicotine is a-okay too.
“I like to think of fire held in a man’s hand. Fire, a dangerous force, tamed at his fingertips. I often wonder about the hours when a man sits alone, watching the smoke of a cigarette, thinking. I wonder what great things have come from such hours. When a man thinks, there is a spot of fire alive in his mind–and it is proper that he should have the burning point of a cigarette as his one expression.”
True Heroes only use stimulants.
Can we cover Michele Bachman and her Storm Troopers today?
We can’t know what would have happened in that period if Intel hadn’t used its bigger _________ to essentially ____ its way through this period of competitive disadvantage to AMD without losing its _____. We can guess that AMD might have grown its ____ to _______ in several ____ segments instead of peaking at _______.
Now we’re getting somewhere.
fanboyz are teh lame, Apple’s being the very worst
Hey!
HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!
The Randroid also seems to not understand (or at least acknowledge) the concept of token competition, where Intel might allow competitors into the market, but keep them from grabbing more than a minuscule share. See also Microsoft’s approach to Apple, where they’ve actually propped up the company when it looked like it might go out of business, and employed ruthless FUD tactics when they looked like they might actually pose a credible threat.
agreed that fanboyz are teh lame, Apple’s being the very worst.
Or as I like to tell them – it’s an operating system, not a religion.
Way OT (but face it, a pretty lame “T”). She Who Embodies (heh) All That Is Pure And Good has withdrawn Her lawsuit against the Miss America Pageant:
Pass the popcorn (and some kleenex)
Just reporting the facts, Actor …
Speaking of fanboys, does Intel even have any?
Of course, we have apple fanboys (the worst of the lot if you ask me) Linux fanboys (a close second) and even Windows fanboys (too pathetic to bother hating) AMD definitely has its fanboys, and of course Nvidia and ATI have warring fanboys, but I have never really come across an Intel fanboy.
Business buyers only stick with Intel because their favorite OEM does, and enthusiasts only buy Intel when research supports that particular buying decision, never as a kneejerk reaction.
Nobody really comes to like a chip manufacturer unless they are really wowed by the affordable mid range stuff, every time they buy. Intel have been too inconsistent in that, and pushed some right lemons on occasion. They have certainly had some real hits, but plenty of misses too, and since people have to stick with the same computer for a number of years, they don’t forget the bad un’s if they were unlucky enough to buy one.
Don’t worry guys, I’ll take care of things. I’ll take care of things good.
So, let me see if I’ve got this straight:
Originally, Macs used Motorola chips. Motorola faded from the chip market.
So they switched to AIM/ IBM PowerPC chips. these fell behind in performance.
So now they moved to Intel chips, and Intel is starting to show signs of trouble? Looks like the best way to kill a chip maker is to put their product in Macs.
Look, just because I happen to prefer an OS that doesn’t choose to go apeshit for me doesn’t mean you should hate me!
I mean, it’s not like I’m a zombie or anything…
Batman – good point. I was briefed by AMD’s head lawyer earlier this year as the EU antitrust ruling against Intel was about to come down like a $1.45 billion sack of bricks on Intel’s head.
His contention was that Intel labored mightily to maintain a 75 to 80 percent market share, by whatever means necessary when that percentage was threatened, but backed off when that share wasn’t threatened. So he had a chart that showed several instances where AMD is inching above 25 percent market share, and all of a sudden Intel starts strong-arming its OEMs and some retailers (in the EU) with its assorted bag of rebate tricks and requirements that the OEMs buy 95 percent Intel or not at all, etc.
Wow. I couldn’t have timed that post any better, could I?
Or as I like to tell them – it’s an operating system, not a religion.
You aren’t using it right, Major.
heh.
Anyways, I get a lot more help from my Macs than I do from praying to God….
Look, just because I happen to prefer an OS that doesn’t choose to go apeshit for me doesn’t mean you should hate me!
I mean, it’s not like I’m a zombie or anything…
Umm, actor, you might be…..
But maybe the computer industry needs them in some weird way to keep smaller players alive and forcing bigger players to keep innovating.
Exactly. Windows 7 wouldn’t even DREAM of being an inkling in some coder’s imagination without OS X.
We’re told it took about 15 seconds for Carrie to jettison her demand and essentially walk away with nothing. As we first reported, the Pageant is paying around $100,000 to her lawyers and publicist — a fraction of her bills. She pockets nothing in the settlement.
What in heaven was she doing, eating a Sammich with Brussels Sprouts?
Wow. I couldn’t have timed that post any better, could I?
WE are Always Watching, actor….
A PC World post doesn’t automatically turn into a Sadly, No! post just because you mention Ayn Rand.
we have apple fanboys (the worst of the lot if you ask me) Linux fanboys (a close second)
Linux fanboys, bless their little hearts, are worse. Trust me–I have one. At least Macs work, and when they don’t, they have tech support.
That said, I wouldn’t go back to Windows for the fucking world.
That said, I wouldn’t go back to Windows for the fucking world.
I’m forced by a belt-and-suspenders work environment to use a PC every day.
I laugh every time I broach buying Macs.
“Oh, but there’s so much more software available for PCs!”
We only use MicroSoft Office and Adobe Acrobat.
*snerk*
You aren’t using it right, Major.
They’re nice machines, but since my side business involves .NET and SQL Server programming I have to stick with the industry standard. If someone wants to pay me $85/hour to program on a Mac I’ll gladly run out and purchase one.
Mac lovers are possibly the only people more smug than Prius drivers.
And a Mac loving Prius driver? Well, we really don’t want to go there.
And a Mac loving Prius driver? Well, we really don’t want to go there.
*AHEM*
Arrogant. Not smug.
See also Microsoft’s approach to Apple, where they’ve actually propped up the company when it looked like it might go out of business,
Really, it was 150m. Apple had 1 billllllion dollars cash on hand at the time.
Fanboi summary:
In exchange for the cash and a five-year commitment to support Office on the Mac, Apple agreed to drop a long-running lawsuit in which it alleged Microsoft copied the look and feel of the Mac OS for Windows and to make Internet Explorer the default browser on its computers.
See also contemporary account:
After signing a few agreements, Apple will be collecting royalty checks from Microsoft for its use of Apple technology.
Linux fanboys, bless their little hearts, are worse
Linus is only free if your time isn’t worth anything.
…Linux…
“Intel’s new Nehalem architecture”
Sorry, but every time I read this it sounds like Jerry Lewis double-talk.
“NEHALEM! with the chip thing FLAHENGLE and the processor BIOS with a flyoss flingle hooley input typing,” etc.
I’m forced by a belt-and-suspenders work environment to use a PC every day.
Yeah, luckily, we haven’t “upgraded” to Vista yet–I already have to deal with Outlook and Office 2007 every day, so that would probably make me cry. Oh, and I have to use Blackboard for my classes, which has actually gotten progressively worse since the first time I used it ten years ago. And, of course, it’s a bitch to use with Linux.
I commend Mr. Aristophanes for creating the perfect kindling to ignite a Mac vs. PC thread, of which there are TOO FEW.
Hey, uh, where could a person go on the, uh, internet, to, uh, see that Carrie Prejean tape? Need it for science.
On the other hand, T&U, I was asked Monday why I didn’t check my email on Sunday night, and I could straight-facedly repy, “Because I own Macs and can’t use Outlook”.
So perhaps I’m a bit too hasty in my lobbying efforts… 😉
And a Mac loving Prius driver? Well, we really don’t want to go there.
what about a Mac-using Prius-owning Zombie?
DOM,
Why, YouTube lists hundreds of copies!
(heh heh heh heh heh…)
I commend Mr. Aristophanes for creating the perfect kindling to ignite a Mac vs. PC thread, of which there are TOO FEW.
All we need is Troofy to show up, so someone can slap him a bout a bit, and then Brandi will appear….
Bam! The Thread-fecta!
“Because I own Macs and can’t use Outlook”
Actor, you’re fortunate they are Windows geeks and don’t know better…
Can’t fool a zombie though….
Agitate for Moodle. Easy to sell to administrators because it’s more or less free, and it’s often better.
Macs suck P.C.’s rule. Suck on that libtards.
Linux is only free if your time isn’t worth anything.
But it’s totally DIY punk rock and shit! I think my boy actually enjoys tinkering around with it. It’s like working on your own car, you know? You could take it to the shop and save time and frustration, but you also enjoy taking it apart and putting it back together.
The only problem is if your wife actually needs to drive the fucking car and it’s in ten million pieces and you’re at work, she gets a little pissy.
To be completely fair to Microsoft (which the bastards dont deserve, but im being nice) Windows 7 is perfectly okay. It is what Vista ought to have been.
They do this occasionally.. Come out with some heap of utter shite like ME or vista, which makes a few people try linux, and a few people buy a mac, and a lot of people piss and moan and refuse to upgrade.
Linux fanboys are annoying, but so lacking in self awareness that you cant hate them like you would a mac snob. They are just geeks who like to do their geeky thing, and as long as they stop giving you Ubuntu CDs, they are pretty tolerable.
On the other hand, T&U, I was asked Monday why I didn’t check my email on Sunday night, and I could straight-facedly repy, “Because I own Macs and can’t use Outlook”.
Heh. I have to say, despite my frustration with the incompatibility of Linux and Blackboard, it’s helped endear me to a couple of my professors who are information science/IT nerds.
Agitate for Moodle. Easy to sell to administrators because it’s more or less free, and it’s often better.
It’s so much cuter, too! (Yes, this is important to me. BB is UGLY). We have an open-source Blackboard-like platform developed by the students and professors here that I’ve used once…I do NOT understand why we don’t use it more. It’s not perfect, but even 3 or so years ago when it was in beta mode, it was still better than Blackboard.
All this talk of internet science is making my head swim.
PROTEST FAIL
If everyone faxes at precisely noon, everyone expect one will get a busy signal.
http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/04/a-health-care-protest-by-invitation/
“A tea party group in Arkansas said it was encouraging members who could not visit Washington to fax their elected officials at precisely noon Thursday, and they singled out Representative Mike Ross, Democrat of Arkansas, as a target.”
“We want to bombard Congressman Mike Ross and every other member of Congress at the same time on one day and hopefully deal a final death blow to the horrific health care ‘reform’ bill,” John Wilson of the Conservative Action Project in El Dorado, Ark., said in a statement.”
It has now emerged that she was off her face on amphetamines for decades. A is A indeedy. – Euripides
No person who was 100% drug free would ever have given the speech from which you quoted. I don’t think I could even parse what Ms. R. was saying unless I had a stiff drink at the very least.
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Garry Ruppert said,
November 5, 2009 at 17:56 (kill)
Macs suck P.C.’s rule. Suck on that libtards.
All you need is for Troofy to endorse Windows and I think the results are clear….
Fax? People still use fax machines?
Shorter Blartblart:
Obama is lizard people and do you know who else was? Hitler!
http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jvarga/2009/11/04/obama-parable-brownshirt-lizards-return-in-v/#more-257922
Gocart, most modren fax machines have autoredial.
All you need is for Troofy to endorse Windows and I think the results are clear….
If we can only get Centre Left Grillllllll to do the same, we can categorically call Windose “The OS for the Worst of Us”.
PROTEST FAIL
You’d think these geriatric fucks would know how a fucking phone line works.
Gocart, most modren fax machines have autoredial.
Yeah, but if the EIGHTY GAZILLION teabaggers out there try to fax their shit in at the same time, most of their faxes will probably time out. Actually, it’s kind of funny thinking of them sitting there and listening to the machine’s annoying auto-redial for hours and hours and hours.
How do I get all these socialist fags to leave my country?
Offer to have sex with them.
I commend Mr. Aristophanes for creating the perfect kindling to ignite a Mac vs. PC thread, of which there are TOO FEW.
So, any opinions here on the best distro? 😉
So let me get this straight.
If you’re a fan of Windows, you suck.
If you’re a fan of Macs, you suck.
If you’re a fan of Linux, you suck.
Tough crowd…
Not to contribute to the Mac OS vs. Windows “war” (which usually degenerates into silliness), but I do wonder when the “Mac snobbery” idea caught on. Back in the day (“the day” being the early 1990s), it looked to me like all of the snobbery (to the extent that there was any) was coming from Windows users who thought Macs were made for idiots (ease of use isn’t idiotic to me, but whatever).
I do find it a bit odd that Windows gets cast as this anti-elitist “people’s OS” when Microsoft still has a commanding share of the OS market.
Full disclosure: Mac OS user here, but not an OS fundamentalist. I don’t hate Windows, I just prefer Mac OS X.
Dick Armey on Hoffman via Think Progress:
“The fact of the matter is, he didn’t pay enough attention to the local concerns, and they were able to tag him as being unaware of the local needs and concerns,” Armey said.
OMG! Dick Armey is Gary Ruppert!
Macs suck P.C.’s rule
I’m guessing a “rule” is like a dongle, but however this computer on computer action works it is HOT!
As an addendum, back in the day, the command-line DOS folks were even worse.
If you’re a fan of Windows, you suck.
If you’re a fan of Macs, you suck.
If you’re a fan of Linux, you suck.
Tough crowd…
I’m typing this on my Commodore 64…
I know Actor, so the fax is going to redial 100 times. Still is protest fail.
Can we all change the topic to why the Obama administration is so like those lizard aliens on V just like that Hitler guy was please or at least zombies or something.
“The fact of the matter is, he didn’t pay enough attention to the local concerns, and they were able to tag him as being unaware of the local needs and concerns,” Armey said.
What makes that even more precious is that it was Armey himself who stepped in and castigated reporters for asking Hoffman about local issues he knew nothing about when doing media go-sees with Hoffman.
Linnaeus,
I’m going to guess the snobbery came when Windows 3 came out, or thereabouts, and people woke up to the fact that MS was not only grabbing the market share that Apple had, but was also copying Apple’s OS almost completely.
Until then, the DOS underpinnings made Windows somewhat untenable as an interface. My recollection is W3 made the GUI work more like an operating system.
From the actual Slashdot thread about this topic:
Really, the simplest and most effective solution is to line up a few greedy CEOs and shoot them dead. Then the ones that weren’t executed will know you mean business, that they need to play fair. So, if CEOs are as smart as they are supposed to be, to hold those corporate positions, only a very few need to be executed, for the message to be thoroughly understood and acted-upon.
And in unrelated news…
AARP:
It can’t hurt, methinks.
“We want to bombard Congressman Mike Ross and every other member of Congress at the same time on one day and hopefully deal a final death blow to the horrific health care ‘reform’ bill,” John Wilson of the Conservative Action Project in El Dorado, Ark., said in a statement.”
Hee hee. Surely the FAX! OF! DOOOM! from tens of out-of-district teabaggers will kill the health reform bill polls show roughly 3/4 of the population favor!
I’m typing this on my Commodore 64
I used to have a Commodore Amiga, which was way ahead of its time.
I’m typing this on my Commodore 64
My Kaypro still works fine, although I’d like a graphics upgrade.
http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jvarga/2009/11/04/obama-parable-brownshirt-lizards-return-in-v/#more-257922
“But rest assure America, truth is stranger than fiction. Leader Anna, uh, I mean President Obama, may not be trying to beam you up to the Mother Ship as a food supply, but his good intentions are just as likely paving the road to destruction as any other extreme Leftist of history. He… they have seized control of your banks, your auto manufacturing, your Internet. They will soon force you into a government-run medical system while heaping HUGE debts on you in the form of taxes for that and for failed job stimulus programs. Meanwhile their judges overturn your votes and yet … you still are asleep at the wheel?
What will be the final straw?
I remember the other red “V” controversy coming from Hollywood a few years back. It was the movie “V for Vendetta” and everyone including conservative talk-show host Michael Medved took issue with blowing up the English parliament. People, use what is inside your skulls. It was a building formerly occupied by representatives of the people who later voted in Leftist oppressors that incrementally eliminated freedom to the point where they controlled everything and there was no means to vote them out. Is it impossible for you democratic voters to learn anything? I am not suggesting that we go out and start blowing up things, but frankly if we did, could we too get college tenure like Bill Ayers, who couldn’t get Obama’s shared ideals pushed on America quick enough? Is it any wonder after 10 months in office you’ve so quickly lost so many freedoms to these power-hungry hyenas? Are you just going to stand by as they attempt to ram through a nearly 2000 page bill that will take over 1/6th of the American economy, at the same time preventing anyone from being able to take the time and examine it?”
Commodore 64 was my first.
Sigh…
Ding to the dong to the dilly dally, you stinking loony libs! Instead of having this stupid computer talk, why not look up SPREADofTRUTH.com, where you’ll see Virginia and New Jersey falling into CONSERVATIVE HANDS, just as New York really did when you add the conservative and the RINO together! This is a stinky stinging rebuke of Obummer and his socialist policies! Ya better believe that Da Cool Coach and the rest of the Coolbaggers are ready to retake Washington from you loony libs, you can bet on it!
Urban out.
The Mac snobbery problem started when the price of Macs rose to the point where the pragmatic option was to get a PC. For a long time, Mac users have paid more, for less performance. When challenged on this.. the replies about ease of use and pretty cases sounded pretty snobby.
The “macs are for idiots” thing came when the iMac first came out, because it was slow, shit, overpriced.. and marketed to people who didn’t know better. And also when graphic designer types clung to their macs, despite the fact that photoshop for windows was exactly the same thing, just running on cheaper and faster hardware.
Personally, I use windows 7 with the classic theme, because I HATE fancy GUI’s, play games occasionally, and just cant be bothered with the time investment in Linux, although I do run Linux on servers. I don’t LIKE windows, it just fits my needs the best. Most windows users probably feel the same way.
My Kaypro still works fine, although I’d like a graphics upgrade.
I hear Nvidia makes a boss chip…
Socky, you have to agree that Apple’s quality control and reliability count for a lot that you are discounting.
Wow. They’re really going to run with the whole net neturality = FASHISM, arne’t they?
Is it any wonder after 10 months in office you’ve so quickly lost so many freedoms to these power-hungry hyenas?
Is there a link there that you didn’t copy? Because that seems a shocking assertion for him to make with zero supporting documentation, an assertion especially shocking from someone who delighted in giving long, gentle tongue-bathings to the last administration.
Is Coach Urban Meyer really Ed Anger?
[…]you have to agree that Apple’s quality control and reliability count for a lot that you are discounting.
I can show you 3 dead iPods that can address that QC/reliability claim. And when replacing an iPod battery costs >50% of buying a new iPod I can surely say Apple isn’t so effin’ great.
they have seized control of your banks
Goddamn Reagan! Those S&Ls are FINE. Wait, what?
“Is there a link there that you didn’t copy? . . a shocking assertion for him to make with zero supporting documentation.” This surprises you because . . .
I love the headline
“Obama Parable?: Brownshirt Lizards Return in ‘V’
by Jeff Varga
gocart mozart said,
November 5, 2009 at 18:36
Oh. You weren’t kidding.
Is Coach Urban Meyer really Ed Anger?
Naw, Ed is far more coherent.
Plus, I’ve never heard the Coach describe himself as “pig-biting mad”.
Next up: Gibson vs. Fender
Yeah, my first exposure to Macintosh, it seemed inferior to my Commodore 64 or even my friend’s Apple II, simply because it was black and white in a world where us gaming kids loved our color. Then I went away for a few years, and when I came back, they were outrageously priced and had a fraction of the software PC’s had, so it seemed silly to even think about buying one, and it’s been the same ever since. Might have a superior OS, but without the apps I want (entertainment), it’s a shiny box.
This surprises you because . . .
Surely no one would write, much less publish, such a scandalous assertion without providing some evidence! That would be intellectually dishonest to an unconscionable degree! Why, it’s unimaginable! Next you’ll tell me they suggest that their opponents should be attacked with violence based on a willfully misinterpretation of a work of fiction!
Both. Thank you.
Next up: Gibson vs. Fender
Not Mega-Shark vs. Giant Squid?
Biggest piece of shit computer I ever used was a Mac, in spring 2005.
I don’t think that’s quite true, as Macs have always been more expensive. Ha!
I like ’em more, as I think the current crop produces a far lovelier interface than any variety of Windows, which counts for a lot, and there’s a very high geek factor and flexibility in what the OS can recognize and play with. It was smart to co-opt Unix.
But I buy ’em used. The two advantages PCs have for my use are Firefox (which just works better on a PC) and Autohotkey.
I like ‘em more, as I think the current crop produces a far lovelier interface than any variety of Windows, which counts for a lot…
Macs can definitely do some cool stuff, even for someone who doesn’t do much video, graphics, sound manipulation like me. But when it comes to people editing and mixing movies and music, it’s all Final Cut Pro and thus all Mac, and I think that’s where some of the cachet comes from, at least here in the Bay Area.
I don’t LIKE windows…
This sums up why I don’t want to use it.
I spend too much time working on a computer, that if there’s one I actually LIKE using, why wouldn’t I use it?
YMMV of course. regardless of arrogance, I really don’t care WHAT techno box YOU use.
Next up: Gibson vs. Fender
That’s easy: Rickenbacker.
“I remember the other red ‘V’ controversy coming from Hollywood a few years back. It was the movie ‘V for Vendetta’ and everyone including conservative talk-show host Michael Medved took issue with blowing up the English parliament […] It was a building formerly occupied by representatives of the people who later voted in Leftist oppressors […]”
If I ever meet Jonah Goldberg, I am going to kick him in the balls. Repeatedly.
It was a building formerly occupied by representatives of the people who later voted in Leftist oppressors
Funny. I thought it was a parable about how instilling fear in the populace was a dangerous thing.
You know, like having terror alerts just before a re-election….
I’m not ashamed to admit that I want to drown Justin Long and John Hodgman in their own boiling vomit every time those strawman jerkoff Mac vs PC ads comes on the telly.
Accidental PENIS reference for the win.
Next up: Gibson vs. Fender
I dunno. How about POOP vs. PENIS?
I neglected this third advantage of PCs, which is perfectly reasonable, depending on how much of a hassle you think it is to make Windows work on your Mac (haven’t done it, will likely never try).
Fender vs. Gibson? I don’t know, which did Mississippi John Hurt use?
Liberal elitists and their Dead Black Males.
No, not really. It is an old, old excuse, but doesn’t really reflect reality. Most home users never get through enough computers to make any real judgment on the matter, but when I was working in IT, purchases of hundreds of PCs from well known OEMs went off without a hitch, with less than 1 in 100 showing even a slight fault, and none dead on arrival. They easily outlast the standard life-cycle too.
The unreliable PCs come from smaller, white box OEMs. You know the kind of thing.. “KUSTOM PCS 4 U” and the like. They are screwed together from ill-chosen parts, by complete wazzocks who don’t understand static electricity, drop your hard drive, and stir their coffee with your RAM.
Large firms that buy computers by the dozen, hundreds, or thousands, do not put up with that kind of crap, and pay a little extra for the quality control that goes into a big brand box.
For people like myself who build their own? It is the cheapest option going, and quality control and reliability are as good as your research and build technique. It isn’t for everyone of course, but the flexibility, cheapness, and option of using some of your old parts makes it a complete no-brainer for anyone who fancies themselves as a bit of a geek.
Nowadays of course, a Mac is physically the same thing as a PC. Just more expensive than any PC, no more reliable than a big brand name PC, no shinier than a PC with an expensive case, and you can even run macOS on a PC too.
It is just a reasonably good operating system, that tries to force you to pay through the nose by buying a particular brand of PC to run it on.
I can understand being a fan of Apple for the Ipod and other such things, they are undoubtedly good products. But anyone willing to look realistically at the desktop Mac range has to admit, they just arn’t very good.
Funny. I thought it was a parable about how instilling fear in the populace was a dangerous thing.
Yeah, and that it leads, to, like, uh, fascist governments and stuff. That, like, ally themselves with big businesses round up gays and Muslims and immigrants and *ahem* leftists.
*cough*
Ummm, not to throw gasoline on the Mac vs PC thing, but very much OT…I remember using a Mac back in 1990, and then I remember it was 1998 before Windows attained a Mac 1990 level of user functionality – while all along Microsoft was using the kind of tactics Intel has been accused of using to dominate the market.
You’d think a free-market champion would recognize that this stuff interferes just as much if not more with the way free markets are supposed to work as any government intervention does.
Who would have thunk it that such a fighter of government oppression would favor torture.
http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jvarga/2009/11/04/obama-parable-brownshirt-lizards-return-in-v/#more-257922
“Well, now I’ve gone and done it. I’m sure the IRS will suddenly feel the need to audit me for the next 4 years. At least for now I can rest in the assurance I won’t get water-boarded like three others who faced a few minutes of so-called torture.
Fender vs. Gibson? I don’t know, which did Mississippi John Hurt use?
Guild. I don’t know what the OS counterpart to a Guild is.
I’m not ashamed to admit that I want to drown Justin Long and John Hodgman in their own boiling vomit every time those strawman jerkoff Mac vs PC ads comes on the telly.
Those commercials *are* horrible. BUT YOU KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF JOHN HODGMAN! I’ll only warn you once.
Mac lovers are possibly the only people more smug than Prius drivers.
Unix lovers(though I can’t disagree with them) and Hummer drivers make both look like the Jamaican bobsledders of the smug Olympics.
It was a building formerly occupied by representatives of the people who later voted in Leftist oppressors that incrementally eliminated freedom to the point where they controlled everything and there was no means to vote them out.
Yeah, the anti-gay, hyper religious, pro-racial-purity, anti-civil liberty, law-and-order Norsefire party was OBVIOUSLY leftist.
At various points in my life I’ve programmed in Basic, MS-DOS and Unix. I currently use a Macbook that I bought almost entirely because of the magnetic power cord thingy.
I must be the only person on the planet who hasn’t had trouble with Vista. I’ve been running it on both my desktop and my laptop without problems.
It is a resource hog, however.
By Satan’s scrotum, I swear I will suck you all off if you’ll PLEASE stop with the fucking PC v Mac poopfest. It’s worse than any troll shitting on the thread. Stop. Stop.
Ummm, a Mac IS a PC…..
Unix lovers(though I can’t disagree with them)
Most Unix lovers I’ve met are also fluent in Klingon.
’nuff said
OT: AARP endorses fascist Moslem death panel bill
SP#47
What you say is sort of funny to me, as a computer user. I have been happily using Macs for over 20 yrs now. Funny thing is that I started using them because of all the great and free shareware programs for molecular biology available for them. I still use a lot of the these programs. The Mac is all I really needed to do what I did so that is what I have always used. But you explaining the Mac vs PC debate to me is like Ford Taurus owner explaining to me why I should not get Hondas anymore. Most of the Mac users I know like their computers and don’t see a reason to changed because they have been so reliable over the years. But you can’t play Doom on it for shit. Chevy would be my comparison to linux.
But anyone willing to look realistically at the desktop Mac range has to admit, they just aren’t very good.
Umm, well, they work for me, quite well in fact, so I guess I have to disagree with you on that.
Maybe I’m being unrealistic though…..
I do not believe you will follow through so SOCKPUPPET #47 IS WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!
There are some advantages to being pale friendless virgins!
OT: AARP endorses fascist Moslem death panel bill
Yes, but the Teabaggers at the Super Bowl of Freedom counter with:
the Pledge Of Allegiance
It burns!
HAI GUYZ!@ Remember us?
Neither does the President.
My wife has Vista and says it’s fine. I’m on XP and it’s fine. I use a Mac at work and it’s fine.
I’ve had two truly shit machines in my life- the aforementioned Mac in ’05, and a Gateway with the rancid Windows ME back in ’01. Everything else has been various ranges of fine.
Goober, you’re no fun when you’re on troll auto-pilot.
Senate Democrats move Greenhouse Gas bill along despite GOP
Health Care bill expected to pass House Saturday
I had a Performa once. A truly awful choice from almost every angle.
Goober, you’re no fun when you’re on troll auto-pilot.
Are you implying, sir, that there ARE times he is fun?
Count yourself lucky. There isn’t an OS that I like. Every single one of them makes me want to kick the shit out of the morons that wrote it. I hate the mac GUI’s and find it crashes just as easily as anything else, Linux can be an utter ball ache when you want to do something incredibly simple, and we all know why windows sucks.
So I use the least worst OS, on hardware which is cheap, fast, looks great, and runs cold and quiet. I still want to throw it out of the window on occasion, but a Mac actually WOULD get thrown out of the window.
I had a Performa once. A truly awful choice from almost every angle.
I had a Motorola clone once that was worse.
Yeah, um, but….hope and change! How’s that working out for ya!
BOOM! You guys just got burned by the Goobster!
Count yourself lucky.
I do, man, I do.
However, some call that Smug.
Yes, but the Teabaggers at the Super Bowl of Freedom counter with:
the Pledge Of Allegiance
Shit.
Shitshitshit.
That’s it. They’ve got us.
Game over. Everyone go home now.
Game over.
Don’t believe the rumors, being castrated ain’t so bad. Anything to make the blue dogs happy.
That’s it. They’ve got us.
Game over. Everyone go home now.
Quick! Before they start singing the NATIONAL ANTHEM!
I use Windows 7 at home, Windows XP and Solaris (Solaris!) at work, and a Macbook laptop for travel. If you can’t beat ’em, join ’em all.
Quick! Before they start singing the NATIONAL ANTHEM!
No, it would be “God Bless America.”
Quick! Before they start singing the NATIONAL ANTHEM!
Sshhh! Don’t give them any ideas!
In Soviet Russia, dog castrates YOU!
Seriously, though, spay and/or neuter your pets. Zombie Bob Barker wills it.
Seriously, though, spay and/or neuter your pets.
And.
And.
Also.
No, it would be “God Bless America.”
Yes, it’s the ones that mention “God” which are particularly abhorrent to our soulless, atheist ears.
I’m still of the opinion that 64-bit is (currently) pointless and let’s face it, it was more that NetBurst/Pentium 4 sucked than AMD had good products
I think 64-bit is great, but I’m a technical computing user and like to be able to use tons of RAM.
And while NetBurst chips sucked hard, Athlons were excellent products in their own right – enough so that Intel borrowed a lot of ideas from AMD in making future versions of their CPUs (they ditched the FSB for QPI, which is a clone of HyperTransport; they moved the memory management onto the CPU die). They ran cooler and used less power, too.
Ummm, a Mac IS a PC…..
Not exactly; standard PCs still use a BIOS for bootup, and Macs use EFI firmware. But close enough.
…but also Nvidia onboard graphics at the expense of Intel’s crappy graphics, which Intel is none too pleased about
No, actually Apple uses the Intel graphics chips on their lower end MacBook models. And the more expensive, MacBook Pro models (the newer ones, at least) actually have both the Intel integrated graphics as well as nVidia discrete graphics. You can switch between them for power reasons (the discrete graphics hardware sucks up more juice).
And by the way, the Apple switch to Nvidia in its MacBooks only happened late last year, so maybe all antitrust actions taken against Intel around the world have actually emboldened computer makers to buy the components they want
Except that on the MacBook Pros (where you find the nVidia graphics used), Apple used ATI graphics chips (a company now owned by AMD).
So do they think we’ll disappear in a cloud of sulfur and brimstone when they all yell out “Under God!”
A blue dog might prefer being castrated to the endless suffering of having blue balls.
So do they think we’ll disappear in a cloud of sulfur and brimstone when they all yell out “Under God!”
They’re children. I won’t be surprised when they start calling us doodyheads.
So do they think we’ll disappear in a cloud of sulfur and brimstone when they all yell out “Under God!”
Don’t even get me started on what happens when I try to handle money that has “In God We Trust” written on it.
It only bothers me when people start claiming that I would actually like their preferred brand of poison if only I would spend a huge amount of money on kit that I have tried and hated.
Or start claiming objective benefits, which frankly don’t exist.
Apple have spent ages trying to sell their products as lifestyle accessories.. So it is no wonder their customers get stereotyped. Because that is what Apple WANT.
It is like BMW. They know everyone thinks BMW drivers are wankers, and they like that, because self important wankers are a big market sector.
Buy what you want, just don’t complain if the brandname prominently displayed on your new purchase comes with an image you don’t like.
So do they think we’ll disappear in a cloud of sulfur and brimstone when they all yell out “Under God!”
I sometimes think they believe that liberals grew up and live in a completely secular godless bubble, never seeing a bible or a crucifix or hearing “Amazing Grace” or the Nicene Creed or knowing anything besides Darwinism, gay sex and anger; and that all it’ll take to make them realize their apostasy is to yell out a sufficient number of the magic words that will instantly make anyone take Jesus as their savior.
It’s cargo cultism. The words their preachers say make them believe in Jesus, so if they shout them real loud and believe, they can make anyone else believe in Jesus too.
Really? As opposed to say, suspending habeas corpus?
How far down your own mypoic hole of paranoia and idiocy do you have to be to believe these guys?
Ya know, I am feeling a little light on my feet.
And I smell something, something burning, like sulfur. Sulfur!
Oh no. That’s brimstone!
Aaiiieee! They’re saying the Pledge! And shouting out “Under God!”
**Poof**
Heh.
A group of pro-health reformers was arrested for staging a sit-in at Joe Lieberman’s office a few hours ago.
Which will kind of take the wind out of the sails of the teabaggers’ cries of victimization, when they get arrested several hours from now for the same tactic at Nancy Pelosi’s office.
Apple have spent ages trying to sell their products as lifestyle accessories.. So it is no wonder their customers get stereotyped. Because that is what Apple WANT.
Horseshit.
Macs are well made computers with a superb OS, and your need to see your stereotype of Mac users as some kind of (semi-)conscious decision says more about your personal sense of inferiority.
Also, FreeBSD is better than Linux (either is preferable to Solaris), and only a jackass would use emacs instead of vi.
Which would make me, I suppose, a “poofter.”
when they get arrested several hours from now for the same tactic at Nancy Pelosi’s office.
Except that they’ve been giving out the wrong office number for Pelosi so we’ll have to see…
Nice Poe there Phleabo.
Really, are we going to start singing anthems?
Well, there’s always this one.
This means an image YOU don’t like.
Awesome.
I try not to derive my identity from the brand names of stuff I happen to own.
Do books and records count?
No, not really. It is an old, old excuse, but doesn’t really reflect reality. Most home users never get through enough computers to make any real judgment on the matter, but when I was working in IT, purchases of hundreds of PCs from well known OEMs went off without a hitch, with less than 1 in 100 showing even a slight fault, and none dead on arrival. They easily outlast the standard life-cycle too.
Bullshit.
In a word.
I’ve worked with enough Macs and enough Dells and HPs and what’sthefuckigncowone? to know that Apple simply makes a better product.
Period.
Do books and records count?
That’s an interesting question. But reading a book or listening to a record is a kind of experience of something you’ve done (presumably you’ve read the book, listened to the record). That seems qualitatively different than say, owning a particular brand of shirt.
AARP endorses fascist Moslem death panel bill
So what?
Where do they come down on the Mac v Pc debate?
“Zombie Bob Barker wills it”
Zombie Bob Barker? I believe I have been mis-informed regarding the rules for zombism.
Sombody tell them that the pledge is socialist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Bellamy
Zombie Bob Barker? I believe I have been mis-informed regarding the rules for zombism.
…or on Bob Barker’s ability to hide his death from public view.
I tried to buy a Mac once but they wouldn’t sell it to me because I didn’t have any piercings and my hair wasn’t in a ponytail.
(heh heh, actor will never see through my oh so subtle attempt to bait him here)
As a class identifier I don’t necessarily think it is. There are plenty of people who consume culture that they think is the culture they should consume while secretly liking something else for approval or status. Macs are certainly a part of that, and so are endless Matisse prints and posters for the upper middle class.
Sombody tell them that the pledge is socialist.
I’m pretty sure that’s nuance, and we know how they feel about nuance.
…knowing anything besides Darwinism, gay sex and anger
I wish my life were like that. It would be totally hot.
I think this is, yet again, a case of self-projection. The mere existence of differing opinions and ideas regarding morality bugs the HELL out of them. This is why if you’re not buried deep in the closet, you’re “flaunting” your gayness, and why the Great Obama Freakout of 2009 has been so great. They think liberals are like them, so if they rub our noses in the fact that they disagree with us*, we’ll freak the fuck out and start, I don’t know, breaking shit or something.
The truth is that we don’t give a fuck what sky fairies they believe in as long as they don’t enact that shit into legislation and stay the fuck off our lawns.
*Of course, they are completely overlooking/denying the fact that tons and tons of liberals are Christians, too, but that’s a given.
I like the word “fuck” a lot, apparently.
Hey, as long as Apple keep advertising, they are trying to associate a certain image with your computer. That image isn’t a universally positive one, far from it. Apple know this, and they don’t care. Enough people aspire to that image for them to turn a profit.
Infact, if you arn’t hip enough, they would probably prefer you cover up the apple logo on your macbook when you sit around with it in coffee shops. That ugly shirt you are wearing is de-valuing the brand. They still want you to pay extra for that logo of course.
The fanboys are the ones that bought the image as well as the computer. People who buy a computer can see the pros and cons of the product they bought. People who buy an image, can’t see shit.
Anyone who blathers on about how great Macs are.. Well, since there is so little objective truth to that, the automatic assumption is that it a symptom of having bought the image. I’m not accusing anybody of that, just saying that a certain self awareness is necessary.
For someone with anti-capitalist and anti-consumerist leanings, people who aspire to a marketing department created image, are fucking idiots. Apple are the worst company in the computer industry for that kind of bullshit. Hence, the fanboy problem.
At least we can all agree (100%) that country music sucks. No need to argue unless you want to look stupid.
As a class identifier I don’t necessarily think it is. There are plenty of people who consume culture that they think is the culture they should consume while secretly liking something else for approval or status.
You’re absolutlely right about that potential in books and art, but I was thinking about whether that’s necessarily the case. In other words, it seems easier to argue for the intrinsic value of “The Great Gatsby” over the intrinsic value of a Coach handbag.
Certainly someone can read Fitzgerald for status, but they could just as easily enjoy his work. A Coach handbag seems to have little intrinsic value beyond its status. But maybe I just don’t know good handbags.
I tried to buy a Mac once but they wouldn’t sell it to me because I didn’t have any piercings and my hair wasn’t in a ponytail.
What? My pierced ear was sufficient. Don’t blame me cuz you ain’t kewl.
Anyone who blathers on about how great Macs are.. Well, since there is so little objective truth to that
Which automatically makes any criticism of Macs and their owners sujective, so Macs win. 🙂
I ordered my Mac online… from a PC
I bought one Coach handbag over 40 years ago, and it’s still going strong. I don’t give a crap about status, but quality is something else entirely. (I don’t know if they’re still made that well, I’ve never had to buy another one…)
At my age it’s impossible to be hip and I would only look more pathetic for trying.
Leader Anna, uh, I mean President Obama, may not be trying to beam you up to the Mother Ship as a food supply, but his good intentions are just as likely paving the road to destruction as any other extreme Leftist of history.
You are on the way to destruction make your time!
I like the word “fuck” a lot, apparently.
What’s not to like? You’ve got Scientific American on your side:
But again, this is what’s in your head. If the point of your paragraphs is “I think you’re a dick if you buy Macs and dare to like them or make claims for them” then that is entirely your issue whatever Apple’s marketing plan is. Most adults have discovered that the ad is not the product.
Speaking of the tactic of just refusing to leave, some of you here probably remember me talking about the psychotic ex-boss from my job I left at the end of last year. And since it’s kind of a slow thread, topic-wise, I’d like to relate my final confrontation with him, which happened last week.
When I left the job (I went home one Friday and just never went back), I had a door in storage at the shop. This was a door that had been mis-ordered for one of my jobs, by me, and I said, ok, this was my bad, I’ll pay for the door. I had measured off the door to my shed, which needs replacing at some point, and figured out that this door would fit and it had the right swing on it, etc. So I paid for the door by having them hold it out of my pay, got a receipt for it, etc.
A few months ago, one of the guys I used to work with was delivering an antique bed to me that I had hired him to refinish, and I asked him if he would bring the door. No problem, he says. Except when he delivered the bed, no door – because my shithead ex-boss had made up some bullshit that it wasn’t my door, “if she doesn’t have a receipt for it it’s not hers.” Either he was unaware that I DID have a receipt, or he was still butthurt over not having the final showdown because I left without saying I was leaving and wanted a chance to play it out – who knows. He’s one sick fuck. Except he absolutely DID know I paid for the door, for the simple reason that NO ONE ELSE who ever worked for him ever paid for a single one of THEIR fuckups. So, I told the guy who worked on the bed, I don’t want to drag you into this because you still have to work for that piece of shit, but I do have a receipt and I’ll get John to pick up the door with me (John being another former co-worker who had told the ex-boss to go fuck himself a couple of months after I left). So finally, last week, I was free and John was free on the same day. I stuck my receipt in my pocket and we went to get the door.
I walk in, and he’s surprised and says what brings you in today? I whip out the receipt and say, “I’m here to get my door.” He pauses and says, I’m not sure what door you’re talking about. I say, well then, I’ll show it to you – I bet I know exactly where it is. So I walk out in the shop and point it out and say, that’s my door. There were a few cabinets and some stuff stacked in front of it, but no big thing. So he says, well, none of the men are in the shop at the moment to get the door, and I had hernia surgery on Monday so I’m not supposed to lift anything, so do you have someone to help move the door? I say, yes, John’s out in the truck, he’ll move it, we just need the shop door to the street opened. Then he pauses for a long time, and comes back with, “you know, it’s just not convenient to do this today. You need to come back tomorrow.” I’m like, WTF do you mean “not convenient”? I can’t come back tomorrow – I work. “Well, it’s just not convenient today, I’m really busy, you’ll just have to come back.” You mean, you haven’t inconvenienced me enough yet, right, that’s what this “convenient” bullshit is all about. Should I just take this receipt down to the small claims court NOW and stop wasting my fucking time on your BULLSHIT? Then he gets all pissy “no, I’m just not comfortable with John being in the shop without one of the men here to keep an eye on him and I’m busy.” Oh, so NOW you’re saying John and I are fucking THIEVES who can’t be trusted not to rip off stuff out of the shop? Gee, that wouldn’t have been a FUCKING CONCERN if you hadn’t been such a DOUCHEBAG about letting Jim bring me the door 2 months ago, would it? But no, you’re a goddamned DRAMA QUEEN who has to make a scene out of everything, don’t you? Is this good enough for you? Happy now? “You’re being RUDE and you’re leaving now!” Oh, I am? I’m not going anywhere without my fucking DOOR. “Well, I’ll call someone to MAKE YOU LEAVE!” Be my guest, I’ll show them the receipt here and tell them about your attempts to keep MY PROPERTY so go right ahead.
And right then, at that very moment, Glenn the plumber pulled up at the shop entrance. Oh LOOK, GLENN is here, I’ll go get John and we’ll be TAKING MY DOOR now.
So then, he went and hid in his office. Pathetic motherfucker.
But everyone who ever worked for him loved the story. What I can’t understand is how he avoids having the living shit beaten out of him on a regular basis. At least I never have to even look at that pathetic son of a bitch again.
I think Apple makes those commercials to make people like you want to change the station until it is over. But, that being said, maybe computer OS systems are like cigarettes or soft drinks. What ever you get used to using when you are you young is what you tend to stick with. Most people used PC’s at work in the early 90’s so that is what they bought for home use. If they can get kids to want to use them then they will gain loyal customer for life. Most PC users don’t change as far as I can tell (same with Mac).
“…or on Bob Barker’s ability to hide his death from public view.”
It’s Bob BARKER we’re talking about; not Bob DOLE.
Developing largely pointless argument at ASW…
The question originally posed: “Is Abortion Pro-Family?”
So far in response:
K-Lo predictably freaks out a stream of cliches.
And McBirfy fails to understand the question.
Just waiting now for Doughbob to invigorate the stupid…
I bought one Coach handbag over 40 years ago, and it’s still going strong.
Well that certainly seems worth it.
I ordered my Mac online… from a PC
Rusty Shackleford has blown my mind. If anyone asks for me, I’m out mending the tear in the space-time continuum.
Yeah, it’d be wholly pointless for me to try to push a Mac on my mom. It wouldn’t save her the time or effort it saves me (though I came of computer age on a variety of systems).
Certainly someone can read Fitzgerald for status, but they could just as easily enjoy his work. A Coach handbag seems to have little intrinsic value beyond its status. But maybe I just don’t know good handbags.
Well, there’s a place where quality and status do converge. This doesn’t happen with most Coach handbags anymore, especially the ones with the hideous logo fabric. But there are people who follow brands because of their quality and reliability, and I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that. And honestly, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with brand loyalty as long as that brand keeps living up to your expectations and you understand that it’s just a label and some marketing to get you to buy a product.
computer OS systems are like cigarettes or soft drinks. What ever you get used to using when you are you young is what you tend to stick with.
This explains why I only buy Stallion brand cigarettes.
Jennifer, that former boss of yours sounds like the sort of guy who needs a regular kicking with steel-toed boots. (Well, I guess we ladies can stomp with spike heels too…)
But there are people who follow brands because of their quality and reliability, and I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that. And honestly, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with brand loyalty as long as that brand keeps living up to your expectations and you understand that it’s just a label and some marketing to get you to buy a product.
Yeah, that sounds reasonable. Though it can make trying to argue someone out of their perceived value/cost proposition a bit of an uphill battle…
Dropping the F-bomb or other expletives may not only be an expression of agony, but also a means to alleviate it
Yeah, but what does it do when I’m not in agony? Other than lend a hipster-cool edge to my far too earnest and sentimental personality?
This is true, but you can check out a copy from the library any time you like: there’s no need to have it on the bookshelf.
Bravo on the “mob football” link.
A similar game is still played in Florence (warning, dodgy musical accompaniment, it would have been a gajillion times better set to this music).
From the pen of K-Lo in answer to the question “Is abortion pro-family?”:
“We need to teach self-respect and acknowledge that feminism and the sexual revolution led to a whole lot of insanity. We need to culturally reboot”
Would it be wrong to point out to Sister Kathryn Jean Mary Magdalene that the feminist movement is responsible for her HAVING A FUCKING JOB? I wonder how many female writers NR had before, say, 1970.
Though it can make trying to argue someone out of their perceived value/cost proposition a bit of an uphill battle…
Yeah, that’s pretty much what corporations are counting on.
All of this is not to say that there aren’t plenty of people who are interested in status above anything else; I just think that there are reasons for brand loyalty beyond just impressing other people.
Marion – he’d definitely benefit from a daily cock-punching. Only problem is, most people can’t punch that low. He’s a sawed-off little motherfucker – shorter than me. I think most people, including him, think that’s his problem. As I told him the last time I spoke to him on the phone though (this was in January; it took the delusional little prick a full MONTH to figure out I wasn’t coming back) “your character is DWARFED by your physical stature.”
Macs are not kewler than Jesus. I`ve found them to be agonizingly non-intuitive to use, & yes, they do indeed market heavily to Teh Hipsterz … & hackers all agree it`s by far the easiest platform to hack. There are no viruses on Macs because they`re not a big enough share of the market yet – it`s going to be quite the show to watch the fireworks the day that situation changes.
Windows does not crash all the time, but it`s still a pain in the nutsack. As with any high-end product, a good model usually winds up on the shelves for only a brief time before it`s ditched for a NEW & IMPROVED LEMONY-FRESH pile of shite: XP was just fine, a platform with speed & versatility galore that didn`t go pear-shaped at the drop of a hat – so of course they had to promptly replace it with the digital mound of rancid smegma that is Vista.
Linux is an awesome idea – if you want to make your own OS more or less from scratch. Otherwise, stock up on Kleenex for when the tears begin to fall.
Face it.
Your favorite
bandOS sucks.We are not talking about “most adults”, we are talking about Mac users. Apple’s marketing strategy is successful. Some people DO think the ad is the product. Those people deserve nothing but scorn.
The trouble is that those people have become sufficiently widespread that people who simply use Macs out of habit need to confirm they are not one of those people, especially if they are going to say things that might lead one to suspect they ARE one of those people.
What I’m saying is that no Mac advocate can be blind to the image that Apple tries to create. To be taken seriously, it is essential to separate yourself from that.
The same applies to any product or cultural artifact that has a strong image of any kind associated with it. If you don’t want to be taken for a stereotype, then don’t act like it! Personally, I am very careless about my own image, I just resent being a reflection of a corporate image, so mostly avoid getting any prominent corporate branding on me.
Also remember that the ordinary PC user is influenced in the same way. “the PC” is not a brand which is advertised. Individual PC brands are not advertised in the same way, or argued over as bitterly as Macs are. The Mac is the odd one out.. It is the PC which has this massive marketing machine, and hipster tax slapped onto it.
It is never really “mac versus windows” because few people have any loyalty to microsoft. It is always “mac versus pc” which amounts to “this one brand of PC versus all the other ones, including the unbranded ones” And the rest of the PC market demonstrates such diversity, that anyone who absolutely must stick to the one specific brand.. Is probably thinking more about the brand, than the actual virtues of the computer itself.
People who run MacOS on a cheap PC they carefully chose to meet their needs, demonstrate this beautifully. MacOS is one OS among many, you choose the one that pisses you off the least. And a computer is a computer, no better or worse than the parts inside it.
Would it be wrong to point out…
No.
But is there any part of her post that doesn’t seem like it was either written drunk or in some kind of blind rage? It’s just a torrent of incoherent social conservative claptrap.
Doughbob, bless his eternal dumbness, has now chimed in… As per usual, totally not getting it… and yep, the author of Liberal Fascism is calling out someone else for making a “bad faith” argument. Sacre bleu.
Would it be wrong to point out to Sister Kathryn Jean Mary Magdalene that the feminist movement is responsible for her HAVING A FUCKING JOB?
SHHHH! You’re not doing feminists any favors!
Individual PC brands are not advertised in the same way, or argued over as bitterly as Macs are.
Right.
Cuz, you know, Dell never advertises as a Dell.
What I’m trying to make you understand is that the scorn is your option, and demanding that Mac users, no matter how clueless, should be ready to receive your scorn – based on your perception of the image that you think Apple is providing – is just dumb.
And HP never advertises how kewl their machines are, never use celebrity spokes…pardon me…VENUSWILLIAMS…scuse me…never uses celebrity spokespeople….
“SHHHH! You’re not doing feminists any favors!”
Well, I think even the most ardent feminists would concede that some dead wood would necessarily be dragged along. You know, kinda like the Civil Rights movement helped empower Thomas Sowell.
I think this is, yet again, a case of self-projection. The mere existence of differing opinions and ideas regarding morality bugs the HELL out of them. This is why if you’re not buried deep in the closet, you’re “flaunting” your gayness, and why the Great Obama Freakout of 2009 has been so great. They think liberals are like them, so if they rub our noses in the fact that they disagree with us*, we’ll freak the fuck out and start, I don’t know, breaking shit or something..
The other simultaneously-held belief is that liberals are just the tiny minority of people who know in their hearts that Christianity and Reaganomics and Ultimate Fighting Jesus are real and true, but deny it because they’re angry at God for something or other.
So, depending on the situation, either liberals are just poor victims of the predominant secular culture, or they’re a radical splinter group with a vendetta against Christians, both situations they think they can solve by reciting the right magic spells at them.
And HP never advertises how kewl their machines are, never use celebrity spokes…pardon me…VENUSWILLIAMS…scuse me…never uses celebrity spokespeople….
And I’d rather sit through a thousand Hodgman vs. Turdface commercials than ONE of those fucking “I’m a PC!” abominable ads that Microsoft put out.
All products are marketed. At least Macs are marketed *well*.
I can’t fucking believe it. A Mac vs PC flamewar on S,N!
OK, not quite a flamewar as much as a slightly-tepid-cuppa-rooibos-war, but ykwim.
(And why the hell hasn’t anybody found that Prejean video yet?)
(And why the hell hasn’t anybody found that Prejean video yet?)
I’m at work, otherwise I would have already. I am curious about the bewbies and if any, uh, tools were involved.
Hey, mac users get no scorn from me unless they do something to earn it, like suggest that desktop OS choice is about anything more than what software it runs, and your personal tastes..
Or suggesting their computer is somehow inherently better than mine, even without comparing specifications.. After all, It is theoretically possible we have machines with identical technical specifications, and accessories of identical quality and beauty. Without that comparison, their argument is based ENTIRELY on the respective logos. They have a little apple, and I have a blank slab of extruded aluminium.
People who believe adverts.. No, i don’t like that kind of person. But they are everywhere. I’l generally leave them be unless they start regurgitating adverts at me, as some mac fanboys do, and many car brand fanboys do as well.
All I have really tried to do, is point out the lack of measurable benefits to buying macintosh hardware. I don’t think that is an unreasonable point of view.
I used to drive a car that, unbeknownst to me, was a car for gay men. When I bought a new car it was, again unbeknownst to me, a car for lesbians.
Where do they come down on the Mac v Pc debate? – actor212
I don’t know about them new-fangled microcomputers. Why back in my day, a computer took up a whole room …
When I bought a new car it was, again unbeknownst to me, a car for lesbians.
Dude. You ever try to make love in a Subaru?
That right there should have been your cue.
It would be a good thing if people in this country could get away from this “you are what you buy” mentality.
For one thing, thousands of Hummer owners would become embarrassed to drive their hulking pieces of shit. I always said, just get a bumper sticker that says “I’m an insecure asshole”, slap it on the bumper of your minivan or whatever, and save the $50K you were gonna spend on the Hummer.
When I bought a new car it was, again unbeknownst to me, a car for lesbians.
I, too, own a Subaru. Not a Forrester, though.
I used to drive a car that, unbeknownst to me, was a car for gay men. When I bought a new car it was, again unbeknownst to me, a car for lesbians.
So a Miata and a Subaru?
At least we can all agree (100%) that country music sucks. No need to argue unless you want to look stupid.
Agreed. Except for thinking man’s country, like Lyle Lovett and Hayes Carll.
You just can’t beat a stanza that begins with, “My girlfriend left me for Jesus,” and ends with, “If i ever find Jesus I’m kickin’ his ass.”
I know right? I can save 10s of thousands of dollars more than the Hummer drivers. I declare that I am an insecure asshole by riding Ducati motorcycles.
So a Miata and a Subaru?
Jetta, I’m guessing.
OT: Bernie Kerik, aka the man Bush the Lesser wanted to be in charge of everyone’s safety, just pled guilty to accepting bribes.
Nice to know how competent the Repukes were when it came to security. After all, it’s not like Al-Qaeda would think of bribing the guy or anything.
a car for lesbians
A Vulvo?
So a Miata and a Subaru?
Yep. Now on my second Subie (WRX). I want another Miata someday.
Yeah, but what does it do when I’m not in agony? Other than lend a hipster-cool edge to my far too earnest and sentimental personality?
Well, if you’ve got to lend yourself some hipster-cool edege, better that way than an obsession with ironic trucker’s hats [which thankfully is dying down finally].
Homosexuals use Macs too.
At least we can all agree (100%) that country music sucks. No need to argue unless you want to look stupid.
Well, yeah, today’s country music, which really isn’t country but is rather men in drag singing top 40 with southern accents.
I still dig on Hank Sr, though, and Patsy Cline, and a lot of stuff from that era. And then there’s your k d langs and the like – people who are somewhat “country” but not really in the same mold as the top 40 types, of whom, blessedly, I know not enough to even give you an example.
I commented once on how much k d lang reminded me of Patsy Cline, voice-wise, and a friend observed a critical difference – one of them was singing “fuck me” while the other was singing “fuck YOU”.
A hummer is a great example of what I am on about.
Imagine you really needed a BIG vehicle for something. Imagine (okay I know it is a stretch since the hummer is so useless) that you did your research, and right at the top of the list was the H2 humvee.
So it really makes sense for you to buy it, and it fits your needs so well that you don’t mind that it costs rather more than something like that should… Do you buy it? Do you try to change the perception people have of it by getting a second hand one with a few dents, putting some pro-healthcare bumper stickers on, and being sure to drive courteously?
Or do you gleefully buy the bright yellow one with extra chrome because you WANT to be known as a humvee driver?
But the truth of it is, the humvee isn’t any good when you take the image away. It is too expensive, and not practical enough to compete on its own merits, even against other huge SUVs.
Anything with such carefully crafted marketing and such a strong image is suspect to me. A really good product sells mostly on its own merits. Telling people about those merits are all the advertising it needs. If it has to be advertised by implying it will make you thinner and more popular, then the product itself is probably seriously lacking.
This seems to hold pretty much true for me. The more aggressive the marketing, the worse the product.
Yep. Now on my second Subie (WRX). I want another Miata someday.
Well a WRX is obviously more of the lipstick, power-lesbian persuasion than the Dickies and Doc-Martens set. Miatas are a pretty fun drive, but too cramped for me.
Yep. Now on my second Subie (WRX). I want another Miata someday.
We almost got a WRX, but could not justify the expense. Plus, I know that the husband would drive it all the time even though it was supposed to be *my* car. 🙂
The Hummer may not be the best analogy, since it was practically given away to small business owners by the Bush administration via the $100,000 credit.
Country music haters: linky
“gleefully buy the bright yellow one”
I see you’ve met my next-door neighbors… No shit. A bright yellow H3, and the other car is a white Corvette. Thank heaven for the tall fence. I’m guessing there are MASSIVE insecurity issues there.
A really good product sells mostly on its own merits. Telling people about those merits are all the advertising it needs.
No.
Not marketing is a sure cure for success. Apple very nearly fell prey to that when MS started marketing Windows 3.1. Thinking, just as you say, that “better stuff” which the Mac OS certainly was at the time, would carry the day.
It didn’t.
Democrats also run their elections this way, too often. John Kerry? Al Gore? Lack of effective marketing, to a certain extent. Brand Bush was much more effective.
Having said that, Macs serve my needs. I don’t know why you feel the need to continually disparage that. Comparing the brand to Hummers is disengenuous at best. Why not compare it to other brands? Coke? Levis? Kleenex? Back when Apple was losing market share, they were constantly compared to Betamax, too. All those comparisons mean nothing.
You point out that computers are tools, and they are. Macs are tools that do what I need, in a way I find to be effective and pleasant to use. You may not agree with my choice, but you don’t get to tell me I’m wrong for making it.
You picked your axe, and I picked my saw, and we are both here on the same Intertubes, making asses of ourselves.
We almost got a WRX, but could not justify the expense.
See, there’s your problem right there.
This is possibly the dirtiest S,N! thread evar.
True for some varieties of personal tastes that include “works better”.
This is something I use instead of Windows file searching:
http://www.launchy.net/
Less invasive than things like Google Desktop. Maybe Windows 7 is better about this sort of thing; I dunno.
At least we can all agree (100%) that country music sucks. No need to argue unless you want to look stupid.
Well, shit. I hate to fuck up such a nice, round number, but hell, there ain’t much country music I don’t think is the wasp’s nipples. Hell, after spending the last two months playing it and actually getting paid for it, some of the new stuff I like. Caveat is, of course, that most pop music out on the market, be it indie or mainstream, is deadly dull. For me, anyway. I don’t understand the loathing of, say, the Jonas Brothers, since bland power pop’s been a hipster staple since a month after Big Star put out their first record.
Actor- Granted. They are struggling to sell humvees now though. And I suspect this has more to do with their running costs and the state of the economy, than their image.
It just goes to show that if you sell a product based on fake exclusivity, and the illusion of luxury, no matter how large the disconnect between the advert and the product, you can sell it. No matter if this strategy gets your product a reputation as being something owned by wankers, there are always enough people who think “people who hate hummer drivers are just jealous” and then go out and buy one.
Marketing people have realised that true quality doesn’t make money. Perceived quality does. Of course, for the perception of quality to make the best profit, it needs to be convincing enough to make the sale.. but far enough from the truth for the product to be made cheaply.
Iris Dement and John Prine. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5axlwCBXC8
Big Star is “bland power pop”? Now I’m pissed.
SadlyNo sex tape on the intertubes. You will have to make do with this.
http://photos.tmz.com/galleries/carrie_prejean_2#41804
Socky, all products, even baking soda, has an image that’s carefully marketed.
You want to drive yourself crazy one day, try to figure out the best laundry detergent to buy! No one…well, maybe Consumer Reports…will tell you they are practically all the same, and maybe there’s one or two that do a better job on that stain or really can make your clothes brighter, but when you come right down to it, buy the cheapest brand and you’ll be OK.
Same thing with ‘puters, I think. I like Macs more. I think they’re better and they certainly are better for me, and I say that after having used nearly every OS and type of hardware there is (missed on BeOS, and only had a cursory intro to NeXT).
YMMV.
“All products has”?
OK, remedial English. Maybe I should go buy Rosetta Stone CDs…
See, there’s your problem right there.
Well, we could technically afford it, but we thought saving for retirement and silly stuff like that were probably more important than a fancy toy. Maybe in a few years…..
Rusty,
Oh, no. Notice, I said “a month after” Big Star’s first record. I figure a month’s long enough for the average hipster to learn three chords, don’t you?
Anything with such carefully crafted marketing and such a strong image is suspect to me. A really good product sells mostly on its own merits. Telling people about those merits are all the advertising it needs. If it has to be advertised by implying it will make you thinner and more popular, then the product itself is probably seriously lacking.
That’s why Coors Light is marketed as being colder than other beers.
Is it a good time to curse DA for not using “Sadly, No!” up there?
Thus spake the BASS PLAYER.
As someone here pointed out once:
Coors Light is better than nothing;
Nothing is better than sex;
::Coors Light is better than sex
Anyone following the t-party?
I don’t often comment here, but I do read this blog regularly, and I am an avid fan.
That said, I think that this post makes too many bad assumptions w/ respect to AMD and Intel…
Intel used their deep pockets to cream AMD, but not in the way that this post suggests. Intel retooled their chip manufacturing facilities in order to take advantage of the bleeding edge in etching technologies. As a consequence, their chips became more efficient, less prone to overheating and faster. AMD didn’t have the capital to follow suit. That’s hardly monopolistic behavior on Intel’s part. Furthermore, AMD suffered from some serious design setbacks with respect to their quad core attempts – even releasing a bastardized triple-core chip in an attempt to bridge the gap. They lost market share. Intel produced better chips. That’s not monopolistic. That’s capitalism. I for one, wouldn’t think that AMD deserves any special consideration for their failures, lack of capital, and lack of vision (Intel had it’s quad cores in the works long before AMD even considered it)
Too bad for AMD? Maybe. Anti-competitive on Intel’s part? I don’t think so – at least not in this case. Intel has behaved badly in the past, but I just don’t think that this is the case currently.
PS: I am an unapologetic flaming liberal.
Wow! Who thought S,N! would host a Mac/PC flamewar? OK—I use Macs exclusively. Even if Windows was as elegant and well-thought-out as OS X is, and OS X were as dysfunctional as Windows is, I still would, because Microsoft is a criminal organization to whom I will not give any money.
As it is, I’ve never used a PC that I didn’t have to reboot every five minutes, but fortunately I got out before the 500,000 viruses (versus none) came along. Oh, and the “smaller target” argument is a rancid pile of bullshit, too, while we’re at it.
I’m only writing to see if anyone can point me to some of these mythical Apple “fanboys” you speak of. I hang out on the Apple-centric boards whenever I can stand to, and find the posts are 50% people who use Macs exclusively, to whom every action Apple takes is nevertheless the crime of the century, and 50% “Windows R00lz!!! Suck this, Mactardz!!! W00t, W00t, W00t!!!!” Question one: Aren’t there any Microsoft forums these idiots could be hanging out at? (I wouldn’t know.) and question two: could you point me to where these Mac “fanboys” hang out? It would be a relief.
Mcdonald: I’m not saying no advertising is a good move. Just that If a product is good enough, there should be no need for an advert to try and associate the product with something else. Elections are rather different because if you don’t get enough market share, you go bust.
Mcgravitas: Windows 7 has substantially different file searching methods, which seem to work much better, I havn’t been using it long enough to give a very well thought out opinion on that. However, my style of computer use doesn’t involve running file searches very often at all. I generally know where I left everything, so that aspect of an OS just isn’t important to me.
I really wanted to discuss the mac fanboy phenomenon, rather than argue about macs. Part of that was pointing out that Macs arn’t made of solid gold, and it snowballed from there.
Anyone following the t-party?
From TPM:
I figure a month’s long enough for the average hipster to learn three chords, don’t you?
As long as they aren’t those fancy chords with the numbers and pound signs and what not in them.
Socky, I think we can all agree that, until someone figures out a way to turn my (or your) brain into a perfect memory organ that can compute complex mathematical calculations with instantaneous perfection, all while providing 3D graphics and surround sound, we’re going to have to settle for shite.
It’s certainly reasonable to discuss Macs as totems, but as with that copy of whatever it is on the bookshelf for prospective mates to notice, there’s something in there apart from an image to project.
WTF?
Actor 212: Already been done, its called LSD. But most employers don’t think it is a suitable solution for the business environment.
As long as they aren’t those fancy chords with the numbers and pound signs and what not in them.
Caug7
*shudder*
Teaparty?
What about mass murder at Ft. Hood?
Rusty Shackleford said,
November 5, 2009 at 22:51
Yeah, I don’t know what the fuck, man. Reports are stating that everyone involved was military.
Rusty,
Yea, heard about that a few hours ago. Didn’t think it was a big enough story to interrupt the Mac/PC debate.
“As long as they aren’t those fancy chords with the numbers and pound signs and what not in them.”
Oh, you don’t have to know all that, just where to put yah fin-GAHS.
Thus spake the BASS PLAYER.
Substance.
Wearing uniforms, at least, not necessarily service people.
Not a well-named town.
Didn’t think it was a big enough story to interrupt the Mac/PC debate.
Certainly not when we’re this close to a resolution.
Now, now, before we get all outraged and start arguing about who killed who, remember: Guns don’t kill people! (It’s those darn bullets!)
10 to one the shooters have PC laptops. Bookmark it, libs.
Teabaggery:
Can’t get the Lemon Pledge right.
Guns don’t kill people, people w/ guns kill people.
PC laptops are more accurate & use a larger round than those girly MACs.
And yet, somehow we are struggling to do that without the totem itself getting in the way. The mac/pc wars themselves are part of the mac image now. Like the humvee or any other car with a wanker image, the conflict between those tasteless morons who buy the symbol of conspicuous consumption, and those idiots who are just jealous of my beautiful new car, is part and parcel of the products value as a status symbol. It wouldn’t be much of a status symbol if other people didn’t have strong feelings about it would it now?
Thus spake the BASS PLAYER.
Eh. For most post-Chilton rock bands, the bass player’s the guy who can’t hack barre chords but can still solo. Somewhere along the line, white people forgot how to swing and the bass guitar, indeed, the very bottom got forgotten and the music got boring. Listen to almost any mainstream pop music, and especially country, there might be a beat but there’s no real bottom. You can bounce along but you can’t actually dance with someone to it. Or it’s just another excuse to wank, I mean “solo” the requisite eight bars.
I was just heavily affected by watching “Hee Haw” and The Blues Brothers as a young man. “Duck” Dunn and Doyle Holly, you gotta admit, are bad motherfuckers.
OT … and what’s weird is that this thread has been strangely on-topic … like everyone has just been itching for a PC/Mac thread!
Anyway. And such as:
New internets acronym, by SEK:
JGIGWOSIW: Jonah Goldberg, it goes without saying, is wrong
That’s a keeper.
For most post-Chilton rock bands, the bass player’s the guy who can’t hack barre chords but can still solo.
Speaking of power-pop and bass playing, I’d like to cite the bass player for Teenage Fanclub as an exception to your general rule.
As predicted, and right on schedule: teabaggers arrested for refusing to leave Pelosi’s office, while teabaggers outside who didn’t witness the arrests or even know the reason for them crank up the victim of the Nazi regime whinefest.
I believe the “we” includes “you” and nobody else in the thread.
Yeah but they still got the wrong office:
“The first thing we need to do is determine the nationality of the shooters so we know if they were terrorists.” Ken Robinson, Security Consultant
“Fort Hood is the largest military base in the world in America.” Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchinson
This is CNN.
cyntax – that only makes it MOAR schadenfreudelicious.
Hey! That’s a great new word!
Batman penis
http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=32&Itemid=50&limitstart=2
Hey! That’s a great new word!
Agreed on both counts. It almost reads like an alternate script for Lif of Brian:
“We must follow the gourd!”
“No, the sandal, the sandal is a sign!”
The Life of Brian. Also.
Well, what a change now – I guess what we’re learning is its OK to beat, arrest, and taze left-wing protestors, but not right wingers.
The spectacle of people reciting the Pledge of Alliegance to the Flag and the Nation for which it stands (et al) while storming the halls of government to prevent the orderly passage of legislation by our democratically elected representatives is…..peculiar.
Well, what a change now – I guess what we’re learning is its OK to beat, arrest, and taze left-wing protestors, but not right wingers.
Damn tootin’, nancy boy. Get your checkbooks out, midterms are coming up, faggots.
“I know you guys are just doing your job but don’t you hate your job?”
Probably on days like today, yes.
Christ, I wish the goddam pundits would just stick to the facts regarding this terrible shooting. No need to engage in speculation.
I have two brothers serving in the army (neither at Fort Hood at this time)- the DoD privatized the security on military bases a few years back. Fuck, I think I’ll be queasy, and I know my mother will be queasy.
I did not know that. That is exceptionally weird.
No, It seems more like I said macs arn’t fabulous, thus there is something weird going on with people who insist too strenuously that they are, and then many people insisted that macs are indeed fabulous.
the DoD privatized the security on military bases a few years back
What, now?
I’m pondering the whole “hiring people to protect the people who are trained in the use of firearms from bad guys who might not be as well trained” trope…
Christ, I wish the goddam pundits would just stick to the facts regarding this terrible shooting. No need to engage in speculation.
God forbid that they let empathy or respect for their fellow human beings get in the way of breathlessly “reporting” any “breaking news.”
I’m pondering the whole “hiring people to protect the people who are trained in the use of firearms from bad guys who might not be as well trained” trope…
Practically anything military-related is done by private contractors at this point, except for the fighting and dying part.
They have to privatize everything they can in the armed forces, because they don’t have enough enlisted military personnel to do everything, and fight two wars at the same time.
It is easier to contract out to a company that hires people at shitty wages for shitty jobs, than convince somebody to join up, and maybe get blown to bits in iraq.
the DoD privatized the security on military bases a few years back
They didn’t have enough trained guys with guns? Aaannnd, who got the contract?
the DoD privatized the security on military bases a few years back.
Never been a fan of privatizing military functions. Having said that, even securing our modest sized base in Germany (a single FA brigade) was next to impossible if the people trying to get in had a modicum of training and determination. I sure hope the shooters weren’t military.
MSNBC is reporting two shooters now in custody.
My experience is that they are. If that’s your problem, see if you can winnow out the totemism in that statement from my reasons for using the product.
Yeah and that the shooters were military.
Rusty,
Oh, there’s always exceptions to the rule, especially when it comes to obnoxious musical snobbery and there’s really no other kind. I myself am fond of Ned “Hoakey” Hickle, late of Dash Rip Rock, and my 10 years in Athens has only increased my respect for Mike Mills, though I still remained relatively un-turned on by R.E.M. in general.
What do I know, I just like beer joint music. And Dolly Parton
I wonder if Rush and Beck will say that the Capital police acted stupidly?
God, teabaggers are fucking assholes.
He’s actually really good.
I hate a lotta bass stylings – funky-metal business really irritates me – but I wonder if anyone really thinks about a bass player and goes “that person can’t play.”
““Duck” Dunn and Doyle Holly, you gotta admit, are bad motherfuckers.”
As are Steve Swallow, Willie Weeks and John Paul Jones. That McCartney fella seems to know his way around a bass too.
I agree lots of current pop sucks and has no bottom to it. It has always been true, though, that you have to wade through ten tons of crap music to find the occasional nugget.
Me, I’m happy to have graduated from “bass owner” to “bad bass player”. Maybe someday I can make it all the way to “ok bassist.”
Mike Mills: right notes, right time. Also good backup vocalist. The perfect bass player?
Mike Mills: right notes, right time. Also good backup vocalist. The perfect bass player?
Sting.
I, too, own a Subaru. Not a Forrester, though.
Subarus are for lesbians? My wife owns a Subie (which I have appropriated since I am the one commuting to work).
Maybe this explains why she was interested in me. Prior to meeting my wife, one of the few quasi-serious relationships I had was being a “beard” (a merkin?) for a lesbian (it’s actually a hallowed family tradition — my uncle was a merkin in his college days and my dad is the token male friend of many self-proclaimed “man-hating” lesbians): she said that if she didn’t find the right gal and I didn’t find another lady, she’d marry me.
And now I went and married a Subie owner?
Hmmm …
Jeesus, BBC just reported 12 dead and 31 wounded. That is utterly horrible and apparently happened in an area where people getting ready to deploy were getting last-minute medical / dental care.
What a swell send-off. How sad.
The perfect bass player?
Sting.
do NOT make me cut you.
Sting
Disqualified, on the basis (heh) of most of his work over the last 15 years.
Bass for zombies.
The perfect bass player?
Sting.
do NOT make me cut you.
OK, Sting, but pre-rainforest days.
Happy now?
Sting was great in the Police, IMO. Unique bass player, unique voice. Then he went all up in my nerves and shit, like the bass player version of Alan Alda.
That is utterly horrible and apparently happened in an area where people getting ready to deploy were getting last-minute medical / dental care.
In light of this, I can’t really finish my work today, and see no real point in continuing to debate sockpuppet 47 about religions.
We shall meet another day, sir.
Zing!
Bass for zombies.
I disagree. Danny Miranda when he plays “Nosferatu” with BOC.
Now there’s some monster bass….
This thread needed some BOC, is all.
I agree that the verisimilitude is compromised when it is suggested that the walking dead are catching up.
I hate a lotta bass stylings – funky-metal business really irritates me – but I wonder if anyone really thinks about a bass player and goes “that person can’t play.”
You have to be pretty friggin’ bad. I’ve seen it. All you really have to do is know where the notes are on no more than two strings and be able to count to four, but amazingly, some folks can’t hack that. I have seen a whole lot of bands who play their first public gig a week after first forming and dislike concepts such as “structure” or “practice”, though, bless their hearts.
A lot of it’s a matter of groove and feel, and there’s really no predicting that. A technically inferior bassist such as myself can coast a long way thanks to all the Booker T. & The MG’s and early ’70s Elvis I listen to, and broke down the little tricks they use. Which is basically what ever post-McCartney rock bassist did with the Beatles albums, more or less, and it’s what McCartney did to James Jameson. Somewhere just before the Sex Pistols, though, it went off the rails and became just another piece of wood for a dickhead to use to try to get laid.
Though I don’t think most people notice good bass players unless they show off and solo and funk it up and whatnot. There’s nothing wrong with that, I think, so long as it doesn’t distract from the bass’s particular function, providing the groove and the bottom and, in conjunction with other rhythm instruments, making the whole thing swing. I don’t have any strong feelings one way or another for Les Claypool or Jaco Pastorious, but I recognize they can flat play. I personally like for the bass to be a part of the whole, just down in the pocket doing its job.
And that, of course, is making girls shake their butts, ’cause that is what it is all about, son.
All I can conclude for certain is that you must be speaking from an extremely different perspective to mine. Given that, there is no point arguing.
Yup, I’m done with that too. I’m not going to wind anyone up when they are already concerned about something far more important than the internet’s longest running flamewar.
I’m wondering how the media in general, and the wingnuts, are going to spin this shooting. None of the possibilities look good.
Did you guys see the shooter’s name?
This is going to be pretty fucking bad.
Did you guys see the shooter’s name?
My first instinct upon reading the shooter’s name: I wonder what Michelle Malkin has to say about this…
Shocker! Nothing yet.
Uh oh.. Muslim sounding name. Probably more than one person involved, possible element of planning in that it happened near the time of a graduation ceremony (although it seems not AT the ceremony)
Yeah, this is going to be a political shitstorm.
It’s a good thing McCain was elected President. Obama never would have proceeded with rounding up the swarthy into Safety Camps.
Actually I’ve seen it too I guess, but it may be player’s pickiness there.
The perfect bass player?
Dave Allen 4 LIEF!
Also Chris Squire is up there too for me.
Secessionist Gov. Rick Perry (Ratbag-TX) acted all concerned about FEDERAL employees on the tee vee. (I hate not being able to call it “the tube” any more.)
It is not to laugh.
James Jameson for the win. Matt T. is so right. Honkies done lost the swing/backbeat, something. Alla that nu-metal, & whatnot of today is just bottom dead.
um, yeah. A guy with a middle eastern name, who’s a major in the Armed Forces.
It only cause you problems if you consider the name to be un-American.
RE: bass,
Rule #1- You do not need six strings on a bass.
Rule #2- See Rule #1.
Tony Levin had Music Man make him a three-string, and seriously considered going to two. This is a guy who can play more notes than most metal guitarists, but thankfully knows better than to do so very often.
This could possibly be the best thread ever. And the forecast says that tomorrow’s thread will be a million and six times better.
Yeah, this is going to be a political shitstorm.
Given that the friggin teabaggers are trying to make hay out of fuckin SESAME STREET, how can it be otherwise?
Whatever you got, it’s proof that liberals are bad.
The only thing they will regret, in fact, is that it seems the tragedy will not give them the opportunity to demand bombing some brown people.
Not that they won’t try, of course. Given his performance in Hoffman-gate, I predict Erck Errrrrrckson to be first out of the gate in demanding a Middle East bombing.
Also, it’s Jamerson.
J–
What makes you think we’ll get a new thread by then?
You do not need six strings on a bass
Need? No. However, it gives you 50% MOAR ROCK.
Actually, though, I agree. Split Lip Rayfield’s bass player only used One (but it was the best String). It was also mounted on a gas tank. AND they put the lie to the statement that 100% of country music sucks.
Big Ed Schultz just repeated a report that Major Hasan was an Army mental (metal?) health professional.
Doesn’t surprise me any.
who’s a major in the Armed Forces.
I was really shocked to see that. The idea that a field grade officer could snap like that is pretty disturbing to me.
BTW, the comments about this on sites like USA Today and such are even worse than I imagined. Not recommended.
Not recommended.
Good time to remember:
STAY ON THE BOAT.
Major Malik Nadal Hasan
Oy.
One story said they were checking to see if this is his given name or one he adopted due to religious conversion. No word on the identities of the other two soldiers in custody (which at this time are identified also as shooters).
Hazmat-crayzee suits and breathing apparatus should probably be deployed.
STAY ON THE BOAT.
True dat.
The idea that a field grade officer could snap like that is pretty disturbing to me.
Not me. And, I suspect, the old mikey might agree.
What I read said he was being rotated back to the sandbox. Dunno how many times. But fucksakes, and especially if he’s of ME heritage, he’s going back to shoot at people who look like his family?
I suspect I would fucking snap.
It is saddening and shocking, but not too surprising. Wars like Iraq and Afghanistan do tend to produce “incidents”. Officers are not immune, but a mental health professional who is presumably not in combat? That I find puzzling.
Whatever the truth of the matter, racism and teabaggery ahead.
Mental health pro, heal thyself.
Psychiatrist or psychologist, I read. I can’t believe the Freepers aren’t investigating the OBAMACARE ANGLE.
Now they say he was an actual psychiatrist. (They’re the worst, of course.)
a mental health professional who is presumably not in combat?
Sending kids out into harm’s way, trying to help the shattered people who return? I bet that’s pretty hard on a person.
Free gov’t. military health care: It’s bad. They should make the soldiers earn it, so they won’t go soft.
Not me. And, I suspect, the old mikey might agree.
It usually isn’t someone who’s been in that position of responsibility, but by that I mean someone who’s commanded in a combat unit. It’s less surprising that he was of a non-combat MOS; absolutely surprising and terrible that he was an Army psychiatrist.
Yeah, those wounded soldiers are receiving single payer healthcare! Ready the teabags!
I don’t know if things are different in the US army, (probably are) but here on civvy street in the UK, mental health professionals have to go through a certain amount of head-shrinking themselves, both to give them a users perspective on the service they provide, and to make sure they are in good mental health themselves.
I’m wondering about the other 2 soldiers arrested. If they were also shooters, it knocks big holes in the “he just snapped” theory. They could of course be innocent too. If they were shooting back at the first guy, it is an easy mistake to make.
I just like repeating Matt Groening’s version of the Pledge of Allegiance because it drives the wingnuts cra-zay.
So how does a guy with “two handguns” tote up a total of nearly 45 victims? That seems pretty excessive to me, even with 12 round clips.
Also, this pretty much puts to rest the canard that “if only the victims were armed and could fight back” the butcher’s bill would be smaller.
dunnit?
dunnit?
mental health professionals have to go through a certain amount of head-shrinking themselves
Standard practice in that field on the US civilian side of the fence. Never knew any shrinks when I was in uniform but it’s hard to imagine they don’t…
I’m wondering about the other 2 soldiers arrested. If they were also shooters, it knocks big holes in the “he just snapped” theory. They could of course be innocent too.
The situation’s pretty fluid; I’ve seen things that say they are and are not part of it, so I guess we’ll see.
Big Hollywood claims Oscar’s blood!
So how does a guy with “two handguns” tote up a total of nearly 45 victims? That seems pretty excessive to me, even with 12 round clips.
Someone with more knowledge on semi-auto pistols than me may have something clearer to say but many 9mm handguns have 15 shot magazines (with or without a chambered round) and if one were assume a reload of a clip or two, you get to 45-60 rounds.
(Apologies for the clinical tone)
Earlier this week, Big Hollywood’s Stage Right broke the story of a ”Sesame Street” episode
They “broke” a story about a repeat episode first aired nationwide two years ago?
Any US soldier of middle eastern extraction has a hard time of things, no question. Facing a moral dilemma on the war they are asked to fight, and often facing racism from their own comrades. I would imagine a Major faces less direct racism and bullying, but a shrink has to discuss these things with returning soldiers, who say “Doc, they sent me to war to shoot at people who look like you, and now I hate and fear everyone who looks like you”
As for the oversight and mental health treatment the Major himself received.. I dunno. There have been some deep cuts to services like that, it is possible that him slowly going round the twist could have gone unnoticed.
What makes you think we’ll get a new thread by then?
The killer bass part.
Earlier this week, Big Hollywood’s Stage Right broke the story of a ”Sesame Street” episode
At first, they complained that Fox news “personalities” did not receive in-joke nicknames. And now they complain that the sketch was insufficiently respectful of Fox News.
So which is it? did they want to be part of the sketch, or be left out of it?
Also noted: every other news personality involved is not calling the WAAAAHMbulance.
Looks like I was wrong, but in retrospect, who could have doubter that the shrieking harpy would have been the first:
UPDATE: Shepard Smith, that silly woman, keeps calling it a tragedy. It is an act of war.
She hasn’t identified a target yet, but clearly she wants to see the bombers launched without delay.
Unfortunately, the Major is an American, so we may be bombing Idaho.
Taking this far more seriously than it is worth, who could imagine an act of war directed against a country involved in two wars? Mysterious.
My first instinct upon reading the shooter’s name: I wonder what Michelle Malkin has to say about this…
Shocker! Nothing yet.
That isn’t the first place that I would look.
I see absolutely no problem with this recommendation.
If only the shooting had taken place somewhere like Texas, where everybody carries weapons. Or someplace where there would be a lot of armed and trained military types, who could fight back, instead of a bunch of anti-gun pussies…oh…wait…
Also, this pretty much puts to rest the canard that “if only the victims were armed and could fight back” the butcher’s bill would be smaller.
You’re making the assumption that we’re dealing with people amenable to logic.
It’s the same mistake as when you try to argue with someone who talks about how wonderful Windows is.
pedestrian, couldn’t you have done a Lil Debbie Shorter? I WENT there, man…
But you know, she’s so sure that ALL muslims are traitors and part of jihad… makes me wonder how many of the victims were muslims also…. I guess those will be red herrings, designed to deflect attention.
If only those soldiers had been Unitarians! Then there would have been far less bloodshed.
You’re making the assumption that we’re dealing with people amenable to logic.
Would have been useful for someone to say that BEFORE I went to Schlussel’s….
It’s the same mistake as when you try to argue with someone who talks about how wonderful Windows is.
Guilty!
Would have been useful for someone to say that BEFORE I went to Schlussel’s….
So I didn’t wake up from my nap until 7. Sue me.
So I didn’t wake up from my nap until 7. Sue me.
That’s some liability exposure, right there.
That’s some liability exposure, right there.
We’re moving Saturday, so this week has been nothing but installing IT in the new office and trying to clean my desk.
The new office – which is infinitely better than the old – is on the fucking ticker-tape route, so I guess I’m spending tomorrow shoving shit in boxes at the old office. Which is, appropriately for such an activity, a shit-hole.
they’re going to be a little embarrassed if they find out he was a Lebanese Christian or Copt or something like that.
On second though, No they won’t. They have no shame.
Actually, you don’t see many weapons on base. Tightly regulated and locked away. So these soldiers would be as unarmed as any normal civilian. Like students in a college classroom? Down here in Atlanta, we have Boortz, a huge douche canoe, who always wails that if everyone carried guns, these shooting sprees would stop as soon as started. I will be interested to see if he has the same outlook tomorrow.
The commenters at Lil’ Debbie’s place are…incredible:
Lol, indeed.
Fine, upstanding Americans.
Fox News had the cousin of the shooter on the phone. Born in Virginia, Jordanian ancestry, was against the war, and was about to be shipped to Iraq. Also, he was trying to get out of the Army for a long time.
Nothing satisfies the wargasm fans. Never.
Always somebody needing to be bombed. Of course, they never see the need to BE part of the military forces acting out these fantasies.
Unlike, of course, the poor guys who got killed today.
Always volunteering for other people to get killed. What assholes.
I think we should turn Baghdad into “The City of Glass.”
wow, we’ve come full circle! Ready to yet again bomb a country that had nothing to do with it. And bonus points, for it being the same innocent country!
I think we should turn Baghdad into “The City of Glass.” Lol.
Yes, El Oh Fucking El. Every time some douchnozzle says shit like this I want to grab them by the ear, drag them to the Hiroshima museum and make them trace the outline of the human shadows burned into the concrete with their finger until the grow a fucking conscience.
I think we should turn Baghdad into “The City of Glass.”
You’re not worried about the populace (or the several hundred thousand US forces) there, I get that, but wouldn’t your Halliburton shares take the hit from wiping out the bulk of their deployable mercenaries too?
Unfortunately, the Major is an American, so we may be bombing Idaho.
Was recently doing a residency at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center, so let me just say I’m glad I no longer live in **BETHESDA MD** and leave any **POSSIBLE BOMBING SITE SUGGESTION** to the discretion of the reader.
**blink tags go here.
Hey, devastating Iraq brought so much peace to the world, just imagine what devastating it again would do.
You’re kidding, right? That stuff’s like porn to them. “Oh, look at you. You were a dirty girl, standing up to the Glorious American Imperium like that. You were naughty, and you got punished. *fapfapfap*”
Also, a nuclear blast would torch the oil and gas fields in that area. Good luck pumping that into your Hummer.
wargasms will NOT be denied.
The shooter, Major Hassan Malik, is confirmed alive. He is out of the OR and will survive. So maybe Pam can ask him about his Jihad herself.
This thread needed some BOC, is all. – zombie rotten mcdonald
Probably too late for this but …
What this thread needs is more cowbell.
And VAX/VMS fan boys.
And VAX/VMS fan boys.
I’m not one of those, but I used to sync a Newton with data on a PC running OS/2.
I got better.
I’m not one of those, but I used to sync a Newton with data on a PC running OS/2.
Impressive.
did you have to sacrifice a goat to do it?
Delaware beats Switzerland as most secretive financial center
http://joshfulton.blogspot.com/2009/11/delaware-beats-switzerland-as-most.html
Looks like you scared them D.
Intel Will Pay $1.25 Billion to Settle Disputes With Rival
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/13/technology/companies/13chip.html?partner=rss&emc=rss
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