For that fuller bounce, and healthy sheen, I prefer Breck.

He’s a live-action Lego dude. Someone knock the hair off and see if there’s a cylindrical bump on his head.

Jeebus, aren’t these Randians even smart enough to pick a better example of big government intrusion than the Americans with Disabilities Act?

…I know, stupid question.

There’s a certain irony that Ted Kennedy has died just as President Barack Obama, who seems to very much grok the senator’s mind-set, is pushing health care reform, the issue Kennedy called “the cause of my life.” Virtually all Americans understand that if any sort of legislation actually gets passed, it will make their lives slightly more hellish when it comes to cost, bureaucracy, and quality of care.

Apart from NO YOU ARE WRONG “slightly more hellish” is an awfully funny way to put it. If you’re already living a hellish life you might want to consider that this whole libertarian bent was a waste of fucking time.

That title should earn you an extra stay in hell. Now I have that song running through my head. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

Is that picture from the “What Sort of Man Reads Playboy” advertisement?

When did the word “grok” come back? Are they all “Share water” at the Reason office? Does the Reason family name their children after Valentine Michael Smith?

Would Salma Hayek approve of the comments to Gillepsie’s piece?

Virtually all Americans understand that if any sort of legislation actually gets passed, it will make their lives slightly more hellish

I would love to see that poll data.

How long have you been saving this title, G.?

P.S. Let me congratulate you on your green conservation of conservative lack of values.
~

Screw the poll data.

Let’s see the poll dance.

Gillespie’s piece

Apart from NO YOU ARE WRONG

He’s right when you know that “virtually all understand” actually means “a minority imagine” on the Helmet Hair Planet.

So this feller goes on to say the best thing ol’ Teddy did was to deregulate airplane ticket pricing. I don’t know about the rest of you, but in the past ten years airline travel has gotten worse, not better. And the airline industry has done worse financially.

Smarter retards, please.

We know we belong to Ayn Rand
And the Rand we belong to is grand

Ayn Rand
As rand as the grass grows
As rand as the wind blows
Ayn Rand to follow your hate

In today’s decentralized world, Senators will no longer represent old, outdated entities called “states” with varying amounts of legislative power based on the amount of time they have been in office.

Nor will Senators of the future concentrate on passing big government federal “laws”; their new roles will be to merely coordinate the legislative activities of bipartisan groups who are represented at the state level, which of course, not being federal, is, like, super-ultra democracy filled.

I say this because I have never heard of a U.S. Constitution nor given much thought as to why things tend to be like they are.

Little known fact: Before the passage of the XXXIInd Amendment, Senators from rectangular states had five-thirds of a vote on all bills.

The wingers are simply trying to return to that era of national harmony.

Virtually all Americans understand that if any sort of legislation actually gets passed, it will make their lives slightly more hellish when it comes to cost, bureaucracy, and quality of care.

Because virtually all Americans understand this libertarians always garner at least 3% of the vote.

Using the word “Grok” does not make you seem cool.

Using the word “Grok” does not make you seem cool.

Heinlein uncool? Never. He was all about cool.

And fascism.

And, in his later books, breasts.

Wheelchair ramps are theft.

In today’s decentralized world, Senators will no longer represent old, outdated entities called “states”
The honourable senator for Microsoft is out of order!
[/Pohl&Kornbluth]

Oh, but this I like:

the government (especially the federal government) is not particularly good at delivering the sort of individualized, ultra-responsive customer service that the private sector is itself only recently figuring out.

See, US health care doesn’t suck because insurance companies are sociopathic institutions of death-by-spreadsheet, but because they’re just ramping up on the whole “not leaving people to die” thing. They’ll get the hang of it soon, really!

Heinlein uncool? Never. He was all about cool.

Which is why trying to usurp that cool by using that word makes you lame.

Q.E.D.

Ted Kennedy accomplished more good and was a more productive of society than all the libertarians that ever lived combined. Fucking greedy, stupid, little asshats aren’t worthy to kiss his day old stinking turds.

In today’s decentralized world, with it’s teeny, tiny business interests, government should also be smaller, to reflect the increased power of the individual over his environment.

As well, individuals will continue to work together in enlightened self interest and will never use economic power to tilt the field so that they can get even more power.

This is entirely self-evident. I have no need to know anything of the Guilded Age or the Robber Barons. Libertarianism is logically infallible on its face.

I would love to see that poll data.

There actually is poll data linked in the paragraph I quoted, but it’s pretty easy to spot Gillespie’s spin.

the Guilded Age
That was about 1400-1600 CE, right?

Heinlein uncool? Never. He was all about cool.

And, in his later books, breasts.

And incest. Lots and lots of incest.

In today’s decentralized world, Senators will no longer represent old, outdated entities called “states”
The honourable senator for Microsoft is out of order!
[/Pohl&Kornbluth]

Does this qualify me for my first “Ahem” or am I reaching:
http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/24246.html#comment-966058

Libertarianism is logically infallible on its face.

Libertarians worship Tinkerbell and magical fairy dust.

kennedy had nice hair too.

And incest. Lots and lots of incest.

Thanks for reminding me. Which was his kiddie book where he has an endless description of who you can fuck in a closed society in order to avoid incest? Taught me the word “moiety” it did.

One Rand to rule them all, One Randg to find them,
One Rand to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
In the Land of Mammon where the Shadows lie.

Screw the poll data.

Let’s see the poll dance.

Sorry, the pole refuses to dance, but the lithuanian has agreed to sing a little song.

The Medicare Prescription Drug Benefit, another law in which Kennedy played a major role, is the very definition of an explosively expensive government boondoggle that shuffled tax dollars from the relatively young and poor to the relatively old and wealthy.

Damn right!!! Just think of all those young children who are going without their blood pressure meds, their arthritis pain relievers, their beta blockers, and cholesterol drugs because those oldsters get to have it all! Not to mention hogging all the walkers and motorized scooters!

Taught me the word “moiety” it did.

Maybe I should use that in my Cultural Anthropology class.

It occurs to me Terry Goodkind is a libertarian, and Sword of Truth has a big dollop of sado-machochism for some unfathomable reason.

I’m seeing a pattern here.

Terry Goodkind is a libertarian

I knew that there was a reason I stopped reading science fiction and fantasy all those years ago.

Maybe I should use that in my Cultural Anthropology class.

I tried a little Heinlein googling to scratch the itch and I think the book was “Citizen of the Galaxy.” But it’s really not very good, even by the low standard of his juvie sci-fi.

Also, that SOB Ted Kennedy ruined the small-government, township favoring brother nation of South Africa, while Dick Cheney worked so hard to protect us from that terrorist Nelson Mandela.

But it’s really not very good, even by the low standard of his juvie sci-fi.

I was just thinking about the sex part. That is just about the only thing that wakes them up. Oh, and when I talk about the seven genders of the Chukchi, Muxe, Kathooey, Hijra, and the like.

I was just thinking about the sex part. That is just about the only thing that wakes them up. Oh, and when I talk about the seven genders of the Chukchi, Muxe, Kathooey, Hijra, and the like.

Try “The Gods Themselves” by Asimov. Despite his usual tin ear for dialog, he does a decent job describing an alien society with three sexes.

The Medicare Prescription Drug Benefit, another law in which Kennedy played a major role,

Maybe I’m missing something here, but Kennedy opposed Medicare Part D in 2003.

Try “The Gods Themselves” by Asimov. Despite his usual tin ear for dialog, he does a decent job describing an alien society with three sexes.

I actually like Leguin’s Left Hand of Darkness for its treatment of gender. I actually read all of Heinlein and Asimove when I was younger, but that was a very long time ago. I actually read Stranger in a Strange Land when it first came out.

OT but I struck gold.

http://christwire.org/

I actually like Leguin’s Left Hand of Darkness for its treatment of gender.

I just finished “Matter” by Banks and noticed, again, the way he approaches this topic: his advanced society (the Culture) has no gender-based differences. You can judge how advanced he thinks a society is by its gender roles.

He’s also a better writer than the guys I spent my hard-earned quarters on in the early 70s.

Definitely Citizen of the Galaxy. I grew up on Heinlein’s juveniles and they helped turn me into the raging lefty I am today, so I really don’t know where the “Heinlein as Fascist” bit comes from. But then again, I only tried to read one or two things he wrote after his stroke and gave up. I want to remember him going out on The Moon is a Harsh Mistress.

OT but I struck gold.

Oh dear sweet crack baby Jeebus! How, where, and more impotantly, why did you find that motherlode of hate and stupid. That place makes Redstate look sane.

I knew that there was a reason I stopped reading science fiction and fantasy all those years ago.

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

There’s lots of good new stuff. People who are past the libertarianism and fascism of the past.

Like Cloud Atlas by David Mitchel and Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrel by Susana Clark. Plus Gene Wolfe has only been getting weirder.

Soviets Create New Berenstain Bear Porn To Lure Children into Sin

Yes!!

so I really don’t know where the “Heinlein as Fascist” bit comes from

(1) His military fetishism. Most obvious in “Space Cadet” but it shows up a lot of places, including the best of his juvies “Starman Jones.”

(2) His often-stated belief that full citizenship was something one had to earn, preferably by military service.

Just my opinion…

Soviets Create New Berenstain Bear Porn To Lure Children into Sin
http://christwire.org/2009/08/soviets-create-new-berenstain-bear-porn-to-lure-children-into-sin/

Heh indeed

Maybe all the libs on here should save the tears for Mary Jo and her family, and the millions of innocent unborn babies murdered every year thanks to Teddy Kennedy, or the way our nation was ruined when he passed the 1965 Immigration Act, or how he supported Communist dictatorships in the ’70s and ’80s. That’s the man you’re lionizing tonight. A murderer, drunkard, obese slob, baby killer, and comsymp.

I really don’t know where the “Heinlein as Fascist” bit comes from.

Starship Troopers. Bigtime.

There’s lots of good new stuff. People who are past the libertarianism and fascism of the past.

I started reading science fiction and fantasy when I was about 12 in the early 60s. My father and uncle were avid fans (both engineers BTW) and I devoured all their books. Started out with A.E. van Vogt, Asimov, Heinlein, Philip K. Dick (one of the best ever!) and others. Even read all the Conan books and the Edgar Rice Burroughs stuff. Somewhere, about 15-20 years ago, I just lost my appetite for it. some of it was the rising libertarian and cryptofacism in the genres, but some of it was also a Ph.D. in cultural anthropology, which makes even some of the better stuff a bit hard to take. Still like the Wizard of Earthsea series, however.

“We The People”
By Marie Jon
http://christwire.org/2009/08/we-the-people/

M’ari’e J’on is posting there

No one wants to give big government the latitude to rummage through our personal health care records, and we definitely do not want government in charge of our bodies.

falkjds;jld;fjdksalhfdslkjfd;jask;lgja;lkfds flkjdsafjds!!!

Maybe all the libs on here should save the tears for Mary Jo and her family

Actually, we will shed them for your family for having to put up with such a hateful and stupid nutter.

Sorry I just momentarily lost my ability to communicate in english, there was a massive logical short circuit in my brain after I tried to comprehend what Marie was saying.

I just lost my appetite for it. some of it was the rising libertarian and cryptofacism in the genres, but some of it was also a Ph.D. in cultural anthropology, which makes even some of the better stuff a bit hard to take.

I’m about a decade younger, but followed a similar path of reading. As has been said, there’s good new stuff. I guess I don’t see an overall difference in cultural description between sci fi and other types of fiction. (Note that I exclude Tom Clancy and his ilk from my definition of sci fi. There work is a form of torture pr0n.)

Their, too. Rassin’ frassin’ dead brain cells.

Ok, I have to hand it to the organizers of this all-gay Alaskan cruise. Advertising at “Christwire” must reach a motherlode of self-hating closeted Christophobes. It’s like advertising chocolate cake at Weight Watchers.com.

What do you think Mary Jo thought about Kennedy as he abandoned her to drown, after driving drunk off a bridge?

Can’t believe I have to have badgers dancing over Teddy, but here we are.

I couldn’t be reached for comment on Kennedy’s death.

What do you think Mary Jo thought

Probably the same thing Michael Dutton Douglas thought when Laura put the pedal to the metal.

I’m the real legacy of Teddy Kennedy.

I’m the real legacy of George W. Bush

Nope, I’m the legacy.

If Teddy Kennedy had had is way, we’d still be living under a vicious dictator.

I used to prop up that vicious dictator.

Only because he was fighting us. We were the greater of two evils.

When I wasn’t busy selling missiles to that nice Ayatollah feller.

Probably the same thing Michael Dutton Douglas thought when Laura put the pedal to the metal.

And that kid that Gee Dumbya had aborted.

But at least I cut and ran from Lebanon.

Iran-Contra was a liberal fishing expedition, a witch hunt for my head that was an utter failure as they never found any wrongdoing on my part, or the part of my Vice President who whipped Dukakis’s liberal Greek ass the next year.

It was really awesome when the Guatemalan death squads bashed the kid’s heads on the rocks.

I was a proud supporter of Soviet Communists like Daniel Ortega.

I blew Frank Sinatra, and more than once!

Oh, uh, what were we talking about…?

Hell, I created Al Qaeda and the Taliban!

I just blew….

I won in two landslide elections, presided over years of economic boom, and killed Communism ending the Cold War.

What exactly have Democrat Presidents done lately?

It was really awesome when the Guatemalan death squads bashed the kid’s heads on the rocks.

And when the rightwing death squads I financed killed all those nuns.

I raised taxes. Three times.

You really believe that?

I was a net tax cutter.

Someone is out of con-troll.

More jobs were created in Carter’s one term than both of mine.

We would be alive if not for George Bush.

Wow, somebody is finally defending my economic policies! I believe that hasn’t happened in, oh, 30 years! If ever. And no proof to back it up, either.

That 1 million number is an exaggeration!

I’d still be alive, living the high life in my palaces. if Ted Kennedy had had his way.

I DID SOME SHIT, AIGHT? BEST BE REPPIN

Unlike wrongwing trolls, I believe in the facts. Those are that Reagan did far worse on the economy than Clinton (of whom I am not a fan), subsidized some of the most brutal rightwing thugs in Latina America, created the Taliban and Al Qaeda, and had little directly to do with the fall of communism which was largely a consequence of a grossly bloated defense structure which sucked all the resources out of the economy.

Us, too. Getting drunk and raping women for fun, and killing them. Wow, we really DO have a lot in common with old Teddy! No wonder he loved us.

What Uday and Qusay did would have been a slow Sunday morning for us.

Chinese Invent Sinful Boob Scarf

March 5, 2009 by Tyson Bowers III
Filed under Faith Links, Heathens Against Holiness, Sinister Internet Sites

As if the Chinese weren’t the most veil people already, they have invented a new scarf called the “Boob Scarf.”

What sick and twisted people they are. No wonder our good friend Amber post the great story “I Am Extremely Terrified Of Chinese People.”

I guess the scarf is suppose to be humorous and I guess it is if you’re a sin ridden, freedom hating Chinaman!

Women’s breasts are for one thing only and that is to feed a newborn. Not to be shown off in a sexual or humorous way!

These commie, sex crazed, child abusing wackos need to be nuked. To bad our Christian leader George Bush still isn’t in office. He would wipe these low lives out with a holy nuke from GOD!

BOO China! BOO!
http://christwire.org/index.php?s=boob

Getting drunk and raping women for fun

Hell, St. Ronny RayGunz, paid people and trained them to do that at the School of the Americas. Said it smelled like freedom.

They said we were the moral equivalent of your founding fathers.

You know, we were actually friends.

My excuse for selling weapons to a country run by people who despise America, and using the proceeds to illegally fund terrorists in central america is that I had Alzheimers, and in between pretending I liberated a concentration camp, and not knowing my own son at his graduation, I just plum wasn’t paying attention to what the scheming criminals in my administration were doing.

So, not guilty by reason of criminal negligence and mental ineptitude.

Not to mention St. Ronny is responsible for crack cocaine (thank you Iran-contra!).

Communist “Nuns” said,
August 27, 2009 at 4:18

“You really believe that?”

Our troll is now attacking murdered nuns. He is an asshole of a “human”.

I lied under oath, and bragged about it, and the right wing gave me my own TV show.

Hey, Troofus:

Iran-Contra was FUCKING TREASON!!!

Reagan should have been impeached, convicted, removed from office, tried for treason, and shot.

The minute Bush took over, he should have been impeached, convicted, removed from office, tried for treason, and shot.

gocart mozart –

By the way, I prefer the boob milk bottles to the scarf thingee.

I did it all to protect this nation that I love.

Iran-Contra was such a flimsy “case” we didn’t even TRY to impeach Reagan.

What The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge said.

Of course I illegally raised money from Communist Chinese and later they just happened to be able to successfully spy on Los Alamos. Hmmm…

When Marie Jon & Evil Chinese Boob Scarfs can’t get you people’s attention away from ’80’s foreign policy, something has really gone awry in the universe.

I hate nuns for the same reason I hate all other women: they don’t line up to fuck me. Not that I even like women.

I predict

LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Sometime soon.

gocart,

I tried too. That place is something else. I’m not entirely convinced it isn’t satire. Did Marie Jon just register and post there uninvited? Hers is the only column I’m sure is genuine right wing nuttery.

When Marie Jon & Evil Chinese Boob Scarfs can’t get you people’s attention away from ’80’s foreign policy, something has really gone awry in the universe.

Well maybe if you had pictures of Marie Jon in just an Evil Chines Boob Scarf fellating the gipper (like our troll is), we would pay more attention.

from the same site (http://christwire.org/2009/08/mormon-city-creates-new-dangerous-solar-battery-coorstek/ )
“Drafted by a company named CoorsTek, the battery promises to destroy our fossil fuel industry by exploiting solar energy generated by the Sun. The solar powered cell threatens our way of life by marginalizing the life blood of the American dollar: fossil fuels. Oil.

Anything that is anti-oil is anti-America and anti-God. It is anti-Christ.”

It can’t be real, can it?

It can’t be real, can it?

Trust me, I grew up among these whackjobs, it really could be.

Heinlein uncool? Never. He was all about cool.

And, in his later books, breasts.

and kitties. He clearly saw the future dominance of LOLcats

Sounds like Blogs For Brownback is back, & somehow managed to suck MJ in. Or will be looking at quite a lawsuit.

I especially liked the reference to “mouth sex” in this one.

Cool Fascist Breasts.

As good as “Worse Than Hitler.”

For band names.

Holy shit, can we ignore the troll and get back to quibbling about sci fi authors?

Dammit, I could use some new reading material.

As good as “Worse Than Hitler.”

I think I’ve heard of them. That’s the skinhead tribute band that does nothing but covers of songs by Better Than Ezra, right?

Cool Fascist Breasts.

For band names.

wrong

Obviously an ALBUM name.

Dammit, I could use some new reading material.

I’ve just discovered Charlie Stross’s stuff and I’m in heaven.

Cover versions of every track from “Marble Index”.

Everyone who works for Reason Magazine is a worthless, smug, little reactionary twit. I saw that oaf Gillespie at a Tea Party in front of the White House and he fits every particular of the previously cited bill. If the Great Recession does persist, maybe one positive effect will be that this lunatic fringe rag runs out of donors and finally goes out of business. If it does happen, everyone please be sure to send all Reason staff members cruel, mocking e-mails. Turnabout is fair play.

Obviously an ALBUM name.

I think “Worse than Hitler” is most likely the name of a box set from a really washed-up band.

When did the word “grok” come back? Are they all “Share water” at the Reason office?

Glibertarians are famously Heinlein fans – it’s what they read in junior high before they discovered Ayn Rand.

Heinlein had a big military fetish and a libertarian streak, but to his credit he walked the walk, and was as much or more social libertarian than he was economic.

“In an increasingly flat, dispersed, networked world in which power, information, knowledge, purchasing power, and more was rapidly decentralizing…”

Sounds like we’re heading to the self-regulating utopia of a randroid. Yippee. It’s worked out great so far, hasn’t it? You ain’t free til you’ve crashed and burned into grueling poverty and insecurity while hearing the cry of a thousand Wall Streets moguls bitching about how hard it is to live on a quarter mil a year and arguments for why we should let New Orleans drown during the descent.

I feel t-totally empowered (because I still have a part-time job and a pension they couldn’t rob and I don’t live near a levee).

Are libertarians necessary, or are they punishment for something we did in our last lives?

Cover versions of every track from “Marble Index”.

I’d buy that.

I illegally raised money from Communist Chinese

OK, you win. China’s evil.

Now can we stop moving our industry there?

I really don’t know where the “Heinlein as Fascist” bit comes from.

Starship Troopers. Bigtime.

Funny, I always saw ST as being anti-jingoism and a much more thoughtful coverage of military and government than is common in sci fi. After all, the bugs turned out to be just folks (albeit not human folks), which put a big spike through the ‘justified war’ fantasy that’s so common among, ahem, right wing elements.

And his ‘voting rights earned through military service’ idea had some merit, in that it could be generalised to non-military service. That is, if you don’t want to do something for your country/world, don’t expect to have much of a say. Worth having a discussion about, anyway.

As for new sci fi, I’ve been reading a lot of C J Cherryh: she has an underlying message of cultural and sociological difference that’s quite fascinating, in a geeky sort of way, and she occasionally slips in something that gives me a shock of recognition. F’rinstance, I’m currently re-reading the Foreigner series, and there’s quite a bit in there about reactionary elements, governmental corruption, a passive populace in the face of that corruption, and how the reactionary/conservative elements don’t really understand.

Sorry, I’m not phrasing this well. I used up all of my brain yesterday, and I’ve been running on drool ever since.

Funny, I always saw ST as being anti-jingoism and a much more thoughtful coverage of military and government than is common in sci fi.

Your next assignment, should you choose to accept it, is to reveal the concealed liberal message of Farnham’s Freehold.

And no proof to back it up, either.

Unlike every statement you’ve made.

OT but I struck gold.

That’s hilarious, and awesome that they sucked MJ’ in.

GUILDS ARE THEFT!!1!!

Your next assignment, should you choose to accept it, is to reveal the concealed liberal message of Farnham’s Freehold.

I was gonna say … I like a lot of Heinlein’s stuff, but that book is ipecac in print.

…about the only thing I can think of from Farnham’s Freehold that isn’t pure racist/sexist/fascist dribble is the idea, expressed right at the very end, that books are valuable.

Funny, I always saw ST as being anti-jingoism and a much more thoughtful coverage of military and government than is common in sci fi….[H]is ‘voting rights earned through military service’ idea had some merit, in that it could be generalised to non-military service. That is, if you don’t want to do something for your country/world, don’t expect to have much of a say.

Agreed. To be fair, Heinlein didn’t particularly emphasize those other forms of service in the book, so I think a lot of people forget about it.

Worth having a discussion about, anyway.

Yes…and that, I think, was Heinlein’s point. I tend to think that people who see him as a fascist are falsely assuming that ST was his vision of utopia. I’ve always thought that if you sat down with Heinlein and discussed the book over a few beers, he’d quickly lay out all the reasons that it couldn’t work in real life and launch into a description of an entirely *different* society that he thought was better. Heinlein had about ten zillion such ideas, some of which are presented in other books (like The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, which is, if anything, anti-fascist). I don’t think he was 100% serious about any of the themes he presented in his books (with the possible exception of boning redheads); they’re just there to break you out of your preconceived notions of what a free society looks like.

Teh Black is scary.

OK, that Christwire thing is a parody site right? I mean, come one: McDonalds Tries to Make Blacks Not Look Dangerous??? Is Marie Apostrophe in on the joke, or has she been taken in?

ObSF: Y’all need to go back and read some Jack Vance, quite possibly the most underrated (or undeservedly obscure) authors working in the genre. His stuff is classic space adventure stuff, a la Heinlein, but with all the incest and boobs and militarism/libertarianism replaced by mannered dialogue and detailed descriptions of alien cultures (some of which are human). He has also written terrific fantasy novels. For great old-school sf/f, there is none better.

Just read a blog piece about Ted Kennedy’s important role in supporting early deregulation efforts, starting with trucking. At TPM, or Yglesias, or some parasitic liberal blog.

I think most libertarians have turned into raving factless loons, but whatever, it may just be me.

Just read a blog piece about Ted Kennedy’s important role in supporting early deregulation efforts, starting with trucking.

Note the post at the top of the thread.

I am Taiwanese. What would I have to gain at Los Alamos, Twoofie?

Surely the Christwire articles are all written by the crew from “The Onion”.

Also, I was just listenning to my Worse than Hiter album Cool Facist Breasts. Love the title song, but sadly they were just a one Hitler wonder.