When I’m With Yooooooou… I’m FREEEEEEEEEEE!!!!
I know that making fun of Scott Stapp is normally TBogg’s gig, but this was just too funny to pass up:
Scott Stapp: “With legs wide oh-PUN-ah!”
Scott Stapp thinks a recently released sex video showing him and Kid Rock with several strippers is meant to sabotage him.
Sorry, I should have warned y’all to stop eating before you read this post. If you puked on your screen after reading “Scott Stapp” and “sex tape” in the same sentence, my apologies.
“Obviously someone wants to hurt me and doesn’t want me to be successful in my solo career,” Stapp told AP Radio in a recent interview.
Hey, Scott? No one wants you to be successful in your solo career. You’re gonna need to find some more specific clues.
The tape was not the only thing causing Stapp headaches. A day after his wedding, Stapp was arrested for investigation of being drunk at Los Angeles International Airport. He is set for arraignment on March 8.
“You don’t want to say it’s laughable, but it’s just like, my God, there’s so much stuff,” he said. “Somebody does not like you and somebody wants you to fail.”
That should be “Somebody” with a capital “S,” Mr. Stapp. The Big Guy is still pissed that you recorded so much bad music in His Name.
Told you Satan ran the music industry.
Blame the motherfucker from Grass records who dicked over the Wrens for the blight on popular culture that is Scott Stapp.
Grass records is bought from Dutch East India by insane, grudge-bearing millionaire and Chinese food aficionado, Alan Melzter, to acquire the wrens – now the label’s flagship band. The wrens release their second full length, Secaucus (1996), for Meltzer’s revamped Grass to even more wonderful critical review.
Halfway into first tour supporting Secaucus, the wrens are told that if they do not sign their ‘big buck record contract’ all promotion for Secaucus will be stopped. The wrens, frowning on strong-arm tactics, do not re-sign and as promised, all promotion (including support for a pending tour of Europe with Brainiac) is pulled. The head of the record company, infuriated, commences layoffs of involved record company personnel and vows that “the next band to walk through that door will be made famous – at any costâ€?. The next band through the door is Creed. Grass Records becomes Wind Up Records. Creed becomes famous at any cost.
Ha ha. Butchie Boy‘s been on this like flies on a carcass.
I’m keeping on the look-out for stills — especially if there’s one with him cutting lines for Kid Rock (a la Tom Sizemore).
Y’know, one of these dim-dick rockers should realize what a good marketing opportunity a good amateur pr0n tape is (emphasis–“GOOD”). They must all have really teeny weenies or ED or something… or be fucking the most utterly hideous, dog-like women evah. Otherwise, they should be hosting this stuff themselves and bragging about it for street cred. I mean, c’mon, it was a BUNCH of STRIPPERS. If I had vid of a “fun with a squad of Chippendales dancers” sort of thin in my possession, believe me, I wouldn’t be acting like it was the end of the world if it got out onto the internets. Well, OK, I am a wee tad more exhibitionistic than most, but still.
Marq has a point. My opinion is that Stapp still has it in his head, maybe because of how he was raised, that being a Christian means you have to be perfect, and that you have to present yourself to the world as perfect. Look at Bono, he doesn’t try to hide anything.
As far as Creed’s music is concerned, perhaps they weren’t the most innovative band, but some of the older stuff is actually pretty good–even some of the newer songs were not bad. I know, saying that sets a person up to be a fool, but hey, I’m already considered a fool around here, so what do I have to lose?
Critics all jumped on the Creed-bashing bandwagon because that was considered the cool thing to do. Most critics are liberals and they don’t want Christians to succeed. Juxaposing the terms talent, and Christian, to them, produces the mother of all oxymorons—kind of like intelligence and being a Christian. Those terms just don’t go together in their narrow minds.
Sufjan Stevens is a Christian, and a lot of liberal critics said his last album was one of the best of last year.
Most critics are liberals and they don’t want Christians to succeed.
No, BLT – the truth is, most of us don’t care either way whether Christians succeed or fail.
We just don’t like ham-handed, self-important swill rock like Creed. And I know plenty of overt Christians who feel the same way.
I don’t want to see anybody having sex with Mr. Rock, even Scott.
Though I wouldn’t mind seeing him “take one for the team.”
Jesus…you’d think these guys would learn that if they don’t want to be embarrased by a sex tape, don’t friggin’ make a sex tape. Good gravy, how hard can that be? I don’t care what Kid Rock tells you.
And Dr. BLT, speaking as someone who for a long time made his living as a music critic, I can tell you two things. One, most music critics are fairly apolitical and the vast majority have nothing against Christianity. Most of them worship folks like Johnny Cash, Sam Cooke, the Five Blind Boys From Alabama, and all mannerisms of sacred harp singing and jubilee quartets. Music critics slammed on Creed because the band’s music was lifeless, the lyrics were trite, the albums had a flat, thin production and the hype was outrageous. And Scott Stapp’s a dork.
Most of the time, the only time an artist or band’s religious convictions come up is when the artist or band itself brings it up, usually as some part of the PR push. Sure, some bands are labelled as “preachy”, but that isn’t solely the domain of religious outfits. There’s plenty of earnest, well-meaning, incredibly obnoxious Dylan-come-latelies in the folk scene that are worse than any contemporary Christian act when it comes to overbearing balderdash.
The only other time a musicians religion comes up is when they come off as a hypocrite, much like Mr. Stapp here. Frankly, music critics are more interested in impressing each other with their hepcat Kung Fu than they are in participating as strawmen in your little imagined war against religion.
As a liberal (I even have the decoder ring!), I have to say I don’t give a rat’s ass if Christians succeed or fail, unless I know them personally. If they are friends, I hope they succeed beyond my wildest dreams, and if they are assholes, I hope they fail all the way to Failureville on the Failure Express.
What I don’t like is having anybody shove Christ in my face, especially someone who credits Christ or his Christianity as the cause of his success. Yeah, like God gives a flying fuck whether you win the Super Bowl or sell a million albums. If you succeed, great! Good for you! And if you think it’s because of your personal relationship with Jesus, well, that’s your right. I just don’t need to hear about it.
Stappleganger.
Perhaps my comments represented a bit of a generalization. Not all music critics are down on Christian artists, and maybe it does have something to do with the way certain artists present their beliefs. Johnny Cash, for example, never flaunted his faith.
But for some reason, I thought that many critics were a little overly zealous in their hatred of Creed. Creed was loved by the masses, and were probably one of the biggest selling acts of the 90s, not because the majority of fans were idiots, but because they somehow connected with people. “My Own Prison” was a great song, imbued with intense passion and very deep and universal in terms of the underlying theme. It was delivered with raw passion and depicted the human condition better than a lot of other songs out there. There were other Creed songs that were pretty good too, or at least not as bad as we were led to believe they were. Stylistically, Creed did sound like a lot of other bands, but other bands were not singled out and ridiculed when they did the same thing.
It always puzzled me that the more records Creed sold, the more critics hated them.
There are, and were better bands out there, but there were also worse bands who never got slammed as hard as Creed did. I thought it was a little over the top, and a little unfair.
Matt T., the Blind Boys from Alabama are the shizznit.
That out of the way, Stapp is all about Mr. Westfall’s family values in music. Banging groupies is about as anti-Willie Nelson’s gay agenda as you can get.
I have worked with several guys that are former Creed employees. All their stories about Stapp have one thing in common: Scott Stapp is a fucking asshole. From strong arming crew guys into forking over their perscription pain killers to head-butting people in bars and then having his goons rescue him… DOUCHE BAG. Stapp likes to portray the image of an upstanding man of God, but he is completely hypocritical and lacking in moral fiber. Kid Rock is actually a nice guy. It’s too bad for him that he has to be associated with such a fucko.
Butchie! My straight friend from the internet!
Per your earlier posting, please take a shower for your wife’s sake. You’ll be glad you did, as she’ll be more likely to put out.
Creed was loved by the masses, and were probably one of the biggest selling acts of the 90s, not because the majority of fans were idiots, but because they somehow connected with people.
See, that’s where you’re wrong. The majority of their fans ARE idiots. They are not hated because Stapp is a Christian, they are hated because they SUCK. I wish there were double-capitals to spell the word SUCK because that is how much they SUCK.
Stapp is not the only asshole in the band. The bass player, Brian Marshall, whose career in music is certainly over, had the unmitigated audacity to trash Pearl Jam’s Eddie Vedder on a Seattle radio station, saying that Vedder wished he was as talented as Stapp. DUDE, YOU WOULD HAVE NO CAREER IF NOT FOR RIPPING OFF EDDIE FUCKING VEDDER. SHUT YOUR FUCKING TRAP!
Stapp is more of an idiot than you guys even realize. Check out this story about Stapp getting punk’d on LiveJournal by a bunch of drunk college students in Gainseville. You will pee your pants. Enjoy.
They are the worst band of the Clear Channel era. There may be some bands with worse music, but Creed is the ultimate sucky millenial band, even suckier than Limp Bizkit. To say it is unfair that Creed gets bashed because there were worse bands is like saying its unfair for George W. Bush to get bashed, because Hitler and Idi Amin were so much worse. Creed earned every bit of vitriol that has come their way. Boo-fucking-hoo, let them cry over their plates of cocaine.
Stylistically, Creed did sound like a lot of other bands, but other bands were not singled out and ridiculed when they did the same thing.
*coughStoneTemplePilotscough*
Seriously – I don’t know what sources you go to to get your music news, but they aren’t keeping you very well-informed. If anything, people got tired of pointing out all the bastard children of Layne Staley, Eddie Vedder and Kurt Cobain because there were just too fucking many of them, but I still recall, just in the past decade, everyone from Bush to Blind Melon to Silverchair to Godsmack getting savaged in the press for their derivative styles.
Speaking of specifically sanctimonious hypocrites in rock, though, P.O.D. could also stand to go fuck themselves.
Lots of rock stars have terrible personalities–perhaps most of them. What about Johnny Rotten? Let’s just say he lived up to his name. Even Johnny Cash, while addicted to drugs, was not a picnic to be around. And if what I’ve been reading is accurate, John Lennon was a nightmare to interact with on a personal level. Elton John (present tense) is a living hell to be around, especially if one doesn’t happen to be absolutely perfect according to his anal retentive standards (although Elton John does have the ability to form a great rapport with his audience and I witnessed that first hand). Of course Stapp is obviously no John Lennon and no Elton John. In the category of groundbreaking artist, he may in fact SUCK.
However, lots of bands put out lots of mediocre music sandwiched in between a few great songs, but they don’t get the kind of public floggings that Creed or Stapp have been subjected to. Even one-hit wonders can be wonderful, if only for the three + minutes of their one great song. As Toby Keith says in one of his latest hits, “I may not be as good as I once was, but I’m as good once as I ever was.” Of course Keith is no one-hit wonder. If nothing else, he’s full of wit. I like the title of his latest CD, “White Trash With Money.”
The song, “My Own Prison” proves that even if everything else Creed put out sounded like crap, they at least had the potential to be a pretty good band.
Of course Stapp is obviously no John Lennon
Ya think?
Arrested for being drunk and it’s somebody else’s fault? What the? Did the new bride hold him down and force bourbon down his throat? Hmm, what was it he said last year…
In a November interview with The Associated Press, Stapp said he was his “own worst enemy, in being self-destructive.”
“Just when pressure will mount, I’ll go do something stupid, just to blow off some steam and end up hurting myself,” he said. “Just like being stupid and getting in trouble, I’ll beat up somebody, get drunk and act like an idiot and get out of control.”
Yeah, that was it.
By the way, boys, I’m about to explode waiting for someone to take this guy down. I think that might just be the stupidest op-ed the Globe has ever published.
First of all, Johnny Rotten was a persona, designed for the Sex Pistols’ punk image (and they were all about the image, all about selling Malcolm McClaren’s clothing). After the Pistols, it turned out that John Lydon had some actual musical talent (see P.I.L.). So that’s two important ways Johnny Rotten != Scott Stapp. And here’s a third: Johnny Rotten never proclaimed his religion as a factor in his music, his success or his life, so he could never be tagged as a hypocrite when he did venture into the realms of excess.
First of all, Johnny Rotten was a persona, designed for the Sex Pistols’ punk image (and they were all about the image, all about selling Malcolm McClaren’s clothing). After the Pistols, it turned out that John Lydon had some actual musical talent (see P.I.L.). So that’s two important ways Johnny Rotten != Scott Stapp. And here’s a third: Johnny Rotten never proclaimed his religion as a factor in his music, his success or his life, so he could never be tagged as a hypocrite when he did venture into the realms of excess.
Sorry for the double post. Got a weird error message the first time.
“Somebody does not like you and somebody wants you to fail.”
If this isn’t a pathetic call for help, I’m not just a imposter pretending to be a doctor.
When rock stars begin babbling about “someone” sabotaging their career, that “someone” is often in the form of a white powder.
“Creed was loved by the masses, and were probably one of the biggest selling acts of the 90s, not because the majority of fans were idiots, but because they somehow connected with people.”
How many other bands’ name could be substituted for Creed here — but the music would still suck.
Popularity. Big fucking deal. Can you say “Back Street Boys?”
You’ve made some pretty good points, Dan, but I don’t see Stapp as a hypocrite either because I don’t think he ever implied that he was better than anybody else because of his religious beliefs. Also, you may be partially right about Rotten in terms of the image thing, but I don’t think he had to try to hard to present that image. It seemed to come rather natural for him as if the role he was playing was that of himself.
The point I’m trying to make is this: Why do people concentrate so much on the negative. Why not point a finger when somebody does something right? Why not say, hey, you guys were on a roll with “My Own Prison.” What happened? We want more songs like that. Or maybe they could notice even a single incident in which Stapp actually acted like a decent human being towards someone, and say, “Hey, that was cool, I wish he would act like that more often!” It seems to me that in our society we’ve become so cynical and negative that we look for every opportunity to put people down, especially if the person is successful in what they do.
“Somebody” must be related to “Not Me” and “Ida Know,” those invisible people from the “Family Circus” cartoons who were always responsible for getting the kids into trouble.
“Who broke Mommy’s lamp?” “Not Me!”
“Who tracked mud all over the carpet?” “Ida Know!”
“Who got Scott Stapp drunk before his honeymoon flight and videotaped him nailing a bunch of groupies with Kid Rock on a tour bus?” “Somebody!”
(P.S., I think the last one was Jeffy, that devious little fucker.)
BTW, I want to thank everyone here for making my cover of Dylan’s BLOWIN’ IN THE WIND
http://www.drblt.com/music/blowin.mp3
such a big success.
It’s now the second most popular song on my website, just one notch below Black Santa, the song that actually appeared on a top 30 mp3 download chart in December of last year.
Personally, after listening to my rendition of Blowin’ in the Wind a few times, I think it sucks, big time. My voice is completely out of tune, and the sound quality is terrible. I think it may be one of the worst songs I’ve ever recorded.
I think if you jackass liberal music critics would have left Scott Stapp alone, his Christian singing would have kept Lucifer from writing letters to the American Music Industry.
BLT, something that Christians have to remember is that when Jesus said, “You will be hated because of My name,” it wasn’t an invitation to go out and look for it. Y’all hear that and think, “Well, holy crap, he said it, and now I’m being persecuted; must be because of Him!” Scott Stapp isn’t being bashed because he’s a Christian musician; he’s being bashed because he’s a lousy musician, and he just happens to be Christian.
I’m so sick of Christians whipping out the p-word every time someone objects to what they’re doing. “They hate me for my faith in Jesus!” No, they hate you for being a schmuck.
(Not you specifically, BLT. Or, well, maybe you. I have no way of knowing.)
Actually, you’ve made a pretty good point, ACG. But I would urge you to listen to “My Own Prison.” Can you really be intellectually honest and tell me that this song was the creation of a “lousy musician.” Even if this is the only song he ever got right, he would deserve props for that song. To the best of my knowlege, he never received any, at least not from any well-known or well-respected music critic.
Doc, I haven’t listened to your music, and for that fact I’ve never dissed it. But if you have any semblance of taste and a musical palate, you would know, KNOW that Creed was a half-assed attempt at that bastard of a genre, grunge/arena rock. Cobain would kill himself again 40 times over if he knew that his genius (and the Pixies before him) would be partially responsible for the absolute shite on the airwaves today. Kurt killed hair bands, but when the industry decided everyone should follow I started to long for the days of Poison. At least those guys could play their damn instruments and write a decent hook. Creed is everything that went wrong with rock in the late 90s – I’d rather listen to a Backstreet Boys song penned by some guy in Sweden, again the hook would be there at the least.
Doc Sammich, I’m getting the idea you really don’t know the first thing about Johnny Rotten. He was very interested in shocking people, but he wasn’t much interested in destruction (Pistols’ lyrics notwithstanding). He’s not a good example of bad behavior in the music firmament. Sid Vicious would be a better example, but everybody knows he was a junkie jackass.
The point I’m trying to make is this: Why do people concentrate so much on the negative. Why not point a finger when somebody does something right?
Why do newspapers prefer “Man Bites Dog” to “Dog Bites Man”? We expect (or at least hope) people will behave with a modicum of discretion and decency, so when they do, it’s not news. When they make a sex-tape with Kid Rock and a bevy of cheerleaders… that’s worth noting.
Perhaps you’re right about Johnny Rotten, Dan, and Sid would be a better example. You’re also correct in assuming that adding drugs into the equation can make a big difference.
It’s just that I’m all for not throwing out the baby with the bathwater and I’m all for looking for the good in even the most ostensibly revolting individuals on the planet.
I liked the Celebrity Death Match in which Eddie Vedder tells Scott Stapp to “Stop singing with my voice!”
Scott Stapp isn’t being bashed because he’s a Christian musician; he’s being bashed because he’s a lousy musician, and he just happens to be Christian.
It’s true, Doc. I trash Fred Durst just the same. If anything, Stapp’s faith means that I have hope that he might do something useful eventually- like helping tsunami victims, or helping rebuild in the Gulf Coast with Habitat for Humanities. I can’t say the same for Durst. He’s just destined to be worthless.
@ tigrismus,
Wow, that guy might as well just come out and say “Jon Stewart and his audience are just too damn jewy”.
tigrismus: Yeah, that was a pretty sucky op-ed there. Though from your “stupidest ever” modifier, I was half expecting to see a link to something Jeff Jacoby.
Bush’s “folksy solemnity”? Hello? I always always always thought he was a bad fake and a worse liar. I’ve met smarmy used-car salesmen that were more trustworthy. I think most people came through their schooling without having an operation bullshit detector installed.
Makes me wonder if Bush voters as a group are more likely than others to fall for a Nigerian 419 scam. The same sort of take-at-face-value, trust-and-ask-no-questions dimwittery is evident whenever I hear someone say the Prez seems “honest.” He isn’t, nor does he seem to be.
Gentlemen- I’m writing about tigrismus’ article as we speak. That motherfucker brought a knife to a gunfight, homes.
Help me out here guys (prior to Brad’s upcoming article). When that BG guy says this:
Meet Joshua Goldberg, a fictional composite of the typical apostle of ”The Daily Show.”
Does he mean that his entire article was based on a made-up person?
I’m so happy that I have no idea what song the title to this post is referencing (I’m assuming it’s Creed).
Also, that Op-Ed wasn’t a joke?
Does he mean that his entire article was based on a made-up person?
Yes it does. I’m proofreading my post about it as we speak. It should be up in the next ten minutes.
I’m so happy that I have no idea what song the title to this post is referencing (I’m assuming it’s Creed).
Ah. It’s “My Sacrifice.” And yes, you’re very, very lucky.
And here’s Kid Rock’s take:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Music/03/03/people.kidrock.ap/index.html
P.S. Oh crap, “My Sacrifice” is stuck in my head (and I only know a very few of its words).
Brad, although your political leanings are obvious, I’ve never regarded you as one who would discriminate against someone for being a Christian. I’ve never been a Fred Durst fan, although that song about doing it all for the nookie, though horrible, was oddly hypnotic and catchy the first few times I heard it. I will agree that much of Creed’s music is forgetable, but what do you think about Creed’s “My Own Prison”? I’m not saying the song is the “Folsom Prison Blues” of Christian alt rock or anything, but the song rocks. It is delivered with passion, the music is intense, and the lyrics convey a pretty deep message about the human condition. In my estimation, it reflects talent. Now maybe at some point, they lost that edge, but I think the song shows at least a modicum of talent–actually quite a bit of talent.
Or maybe they could notice even a single incident in which Stapp actually acted like a decent human being towards someone, and say, “Hey, that was cool, I wish he would act like that more often!”
You’re kidding right? No one deserves a cookie for not being a total asshole.
Seriously, we get it, you like “My own prison”, you don’t need to drive it home with a fucking mallet. Does that mean that Creed doesen’t suck?
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I present Exhibit “A”. The prosecution (persecution?) rests.
Goddamit. Stupid italics tag.
That’s it, no cookies, for you, Timmah.
Well, seriously. Look at that poorly animated trainwreck and tell me that’s not the worst music video you’ve ever seen.
If not, what is?
The video animation was kind of cheezy, I will give you that. The melody was a little too predictable, and not very memorable, but I did manage to find some redeeming value in the song. The line in the lyrics that asked: “Why do we live this life with so much hate?” Have you ever asked yourself that question, Timmah? The question itself conveys depth of thought, intelligent introspection, and conviction.
The problem with those critics (professional and amateur) who see the world in black and white (all good, or all bad) terms, is that they label something as worthless, and then that label becomes a set of blinders that will not allow the critic to see anything of value in that other person (or band, in this case) ever again.
Actually, I look at it as a infected mushroom spoiling the whole bunch, for example:
I will be the first to admit that U2 has made a few songs in their career that don’t make me immediatley snap off the radio in disgust. However, their latest release, a halfhearted final shot at middle aged mainstream rock, is so heartstoppingly bad that it literally retroactively ruins everything they’ve ever made as far as I’m concerned.
It honestly doesen’t matter to me how many great causes they work to support, and how great some of those old songs were, because now all I hear when I see them or hear anything about them is:
WOOOOOO-WOOOOOOO-OOOH-OOH
WOOOOOO-WOOOOOOO-OOOH-OOH
EL-EV-ATION
WOOOOOOOO! WOOOOO-OOH-OOH!
You might think that’s unfair, and maybe it is, but for all your BS about finding the best in even the most disgusting individual, I didn’t hear you saying many great things about Hussein. At least I’m honest with myself about the shit I hate.
I said I try to find the best in even the most disgusting individual. I don’t consider Hussein an individual, I consider him a monster.
As for your statement about being honest about what you hate, allow me to quote from Ordinary People an old 80s movie starring Timothy Hutton, Mary Tyler Moore, and Sutherland.
In the movie, the father of the depressed main character in the movie, looks at his wife, the boy’s mother, and replies to her “I’m just being honest” defense,” with these words:
“Well, stop being so Goddam honest, and start being nice once in awhile.”
I consider Bush to be a “nice” guy. I’m sure he’s a blast at a barbeque or a keggar, gettin drunk and sticking a firecracker up his buddies’ ass, but that doesen’t mean I prefer a smile and a platitude to the truth.
I’m really and truly sorry I keep hurting your feelings so much, I’m sure you’re hunched over your keyboard, sobbing uncontrollably over what a meanie I am.
I mean, you wouldn’t just be taking exception with the things I say to play the “Help, I’m being persecuted, but not really” card again, right?
‘Elp! ‘Elp! I’m being repressed!
I wasn’t just talking about your treatment of me, Timmah. Your negative attitude goes well beyond your interaction with me.
For example, I could understand you being turned off by the latest U2 offering. When you compare it to The Unforgettable Fire, its, well, forgetable. But they will always be the band that offered that CD, and the fire they started with that gift to the world can never be extinguished. Frankly, I think its time for U2 to retire, and for Bono to begin preparing for his 2012 bid for president of the United States.
As far as playing the persecution card is concerned, you might as well put that notion to rest. I wasn’t playing for sympathy. Trust me, Timmah, if your GoatBoyesque attitude were your latest album, it would make Creed’s worst cacophony sound like a great symphony.
And If your metaphor were a ship, it would be the SS doesentmakeanyfuckingsense.
But if anything else, getting into this back and forth with you again reminds me of why I started uniformly ignoring your comments in the first place. You say things to try and get a rise out of me and then call me an asshole for it when you succeed.
I’m very civil with the people I debate, you can check my blog, as I’ve allready attracted a a troll or two. See for yourself.
You, however employ a very special kind of intellectual dishonesty that really gets my goat, which is why I will return to ignoring the comments, it’s better for my blood pressure.
Ahh… the old “your favorite band sucks” argument… as an aging DeadHead, this discussion is as familiar as the “Live Dead” version of Dark Star. 😉
Timmah, how does the fact that you were apparently confused by my comments automatically lead you to the conclusion that I possess some sort of singular ability to raise your blood pressure through some sort of “very special kind of intellectual dishonesty”? I honestly don’t get it. I was honestly trying to keep it real.
But please do what is best for your health. If that means ignoring me, then so be it. Sidhe has been ignoring me, and it seems to be working for him.
Wow, D.Sidhe is gonna be so surprised to find out she’s a man…
Check out this story about Stapp getting punk’d on LiveJournal by a bunch of drunk college students in Gainseville
Heh, yeah, I’m from Gainesville, and I can confirm the truth of this account.
Incidentally, they recently demolished the Denny’s where that memorable incident occured. Sad, really — it’s sort of historical now.
Yeah, and nobody better go and say, “And she’s twice the man that Marq is,” or I’m coming over! And, she isn’t. Hopefully.
Wah!
You know, that penis envy theory I was entertaining about her interaction with me was one I had prematurely dismissed because of my admittedly foolish, ignorant assumption that she was a he. Now it’s all making a lot more sense to me.
PS: Don’t allow your blood pressure to be elevated Sidhe. It was not intended as a serious insult. I was only kidding as a way of deflecting my own embarrassment. Now I’m finding myself in the midst of some serious castration anxiety.
What Timmah said, except read out over a gigawatt stereo system turned up to ELEVEN.
Thank God for “off” buttons.
Merowr: Kid Rock weighs in! Hee hee hee.
What’s funny about the song Timmeh cited as a horrible U2 song is that it wasn’t even on the latest album. That was on the one BEFORE their latest one. The latest one, which came out last year-ish, is even more insipid. I find it infuriating, because c’mon, U2! I even liked Pop! Now I HAVE to agree with everyone who says U2 sucks now. Woe!
To be fair I believe Scott Stapp and his shitty music did not contribute to escalating this absurd war.
That screwjob goes to ‘Three doors Down’ and their shitty music.
Listen to something unpatriotic, listen to Extreme Black Metal.
Doc, I’ll make it simple.
POD is a Christian band, and more openly so than Creed ever was.
MxPx is a Christian band with an alternative-mainstream following
There are others, i’m sure, but since i’m an old-school goth since back in the mid-80’s, i never really got into the whole nu-metal thing or the most recent wave of ska
Those bands are, while not nearly as successful, infinitely more tolerable musically than Creed ever was or Scott Stapp ever could be
Creed was, at best, musically indistinct from a half dozen or so other Pearl Jam knock-offs from the late 90’s, and at worst, the musical equivalent of a drano enema
and no, repeatedly posing like Christ on the Cross in concert and in his videos does not make Stapp a Christian by itself, it just makes him look like a pompous jackoff
I’m not too familiar with MxPx, but you’re right, POD is much better than Creed. For what it’s worth, here is my review of one of their CDs, Payable On Death:
http://www.tollbooth.org/2004/reviews/pod.html
I never said Creed was the best thing since sliced bread. My point is, that they had a few shining moments. That’s all, nothing more, and nothing less. Their first CD, “My Own Prison” has several few cuts that are actually quite good. Their main problem is that they followed a cookie-cutter formula instead of breaking out and experimenting with different sounds, different perspectives and different approaches. Perhaps they resigned themselves to the forumula because, commercially, it was working.
Though they didn’t carve out any new creative turf after their first release, they were laughing all the way to the bank with every single release that followed. Would I sacrifice artistic integrity for money? I can say, emphatically, “No way!” now, but would I be able to say that if and when the big bucks began to roll in? All I can say is, I think so, and I hope so.
Even the Onion is getting into the act:
“MIAMI, FL—A local man woke up to the dawning terror that he was still Scott Stapp, former lead singer of the band Creed.”
No matter how terrible that may be, Stapp’s multi-millions are sure to provide a mild buffer.
certainly, because when we are presented with an open-faced turd sandwich, it’s best that we overlook the flies and graciously comment on that perfect slice of the most exquisite Fontina cheese which has been so expertly draped over it
I’ve been looking for a classic example of “projection” for a lecture I am preparing on Freud and defense mechanisms. I found it in the comment above. Thanks for making my lecture preparation a little easier.
BLT: Would I sacrifice artistic integrity for money? I can say, emphatically, “No way!” now
Why bother, when he’s so busy sacrificing artistic integrity for free?
Could this be yet another cheap shot from somebody who has never listened to my music?
Let me ask you this, ACG: If your most recent blog entry were your latest CD, what would you rate it on a
scale of 1-5? How do you think critics would rate it? Is it truly original? Is it fresh? Does it reflect depth of thought and insightfulness?
We’re all putting something out there for the world to see and/or hear. If it’s not something we can emphatically say we’re proud of, what room do we have to put down what somebody else offers, especially if we haven’t listened enough to say anything specific or intelligent about the work we are mocking?!
Are you kidding? My last blog entry was a solid 4 on a scale of 1-5. The two before it are 3s, probably, because they’re more fun little bits for my readers, kind of like the little comedic interludes between the music tracks of a 3rd Bass album. The big posts (the 5s, you could call them) take some time and work, but I like to leave a little something to entertain in the meantime.
Now, the one before that, that one’s a 5 if I ever saw one. Original, topical, somewhat provocative. I can’t say that everyone agrees with what I post, but I really prefer it that way; keeps things interesting. If I’m in the middle of a post and find that it’s just not my best work, I don’t post it. Why bother putting something out under my name if it doesn’t really characterize the quality of my work?
However, where “artistic integrity” comes in is the fact that I don’t go around pimping my blog on everyone else’s. People will find it if they want to. Whether my own writing is fantastic or absolute crap, I don’t have to go into comment threads begging people to check me out. I think it kind of cheapens the product, don’t you?
Well, though you may be just a little biased in your analysis of your own works, at least you’ve made a half-hearted, apparently careless attempt. True, you don’t have to go into comments threads to beg people to check out your words, because, instead of linking people to your churlishness, you gratuitously eruct your vile words directly onto the comments space provided.
“Vile words”? Now who’s being nasty?
Oh yeah, ACG, that’s real nasty!
How about this for nasty?: You are the Scott Stapp of the blogosphere.
BLT, I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt that I just caught you on a bad day. Normally, you range from the charming to the annoying; today, you seem gratuitously mean. And it’s uncalled-for. I never attacked your work, just your method of (and tenacity at) self-promotion. You’re the one throwing around personal insults. I’d complain, but this is Sadly, No! and honestly, isn’t that what we come here for?
BLT, I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt that I just caught you on a bad day. Normally, you range from the charming to the annoying; today, you seem gratuitously mean. And it’s uncalled-for. I never attacked your work, just your method of (and tenacity at) self-promotion. You’re the one throwing around personal insults. I’d complain, but this is Sadly, No! and honestly, isn’t that what we come here for?
Remember ACG, that Stapp is not the total lost cause in my mind that you’ve made him out to be, so for me to call you the Scott Stapp of the blogosphere could not really be considered “gratuitously mean.” Besides, I’m starting to actually like you a little bit. Just a little bit, however, enough to want to propose a truce. How about it, ACG?
Why not? Who doesn’t like being liked? Truce it is.
But, and this is comin’ from a friend, you have got to stop with the blogwhoring. I mean, yikes.
Blogwhoring is such a pejorative term, ACG. It makes me feel like I need to take a shower. I kind of like that feeling. You call it blogwhoring, I call it sharing.
But, just for you, since we’re now friends, out of respect for our newly formed friendship, I’ll try to curb my zeal as it concerns spreading my songs around at this site, where nobody really really gives a damn about them anyway. I’m not sure I’ll be able to give up the song sharing entirely, so, in the meantime, out of respect for my new scorched earth policy, I’ve officially changed my screen name.
Matt T. said,
“Music critics slammed on Creed because the band’s music was lifeless, the lyrics were trite, the albums had a flat, thin production and the hype was outrageous.”
Surely you can see that just all opinion?
Music critics slammed Creed because they thought they were generic, hyped and because music critics are generally a very fickle breed.
They would justify themselves by saying things like the lyrics were “trite” when Creed’s lyrics are often extremely strong, especially compared with other bands in the mainstream around the time. As for the music being lifeless…..I find that laughable.
Unfortunately music critics are mainly interested in one thing…making themselves look good and appearing to be on the cutting edge of “cool”. Most of them listen to so many albums that it if something doesn’t stand out in a pretty obvious way at first, it may not get a chance beyond that. This is half the reason why such gimmicky crap gets such good reviews. It stands out right away.
Most music critics tend to be bitter little individuals who have little idea about music beyond stylised idea’s and using words like “eclectic”. Snobby little twats who wouldn’t know true meaning if it smacked them in the face.
Most music critics tend to be bitter little individuals who have little idea about music beyond stylised idea’s and using words like “eclectic”.
Although, apart from music critics, pretty much everyone with any sense understands that Creed blows donkeys. I mean really.
RSS is pretty cool.
“Although, apart from music critics, pretty much everyone with any sense understands that Creed blows donkeys. I mean really.”
Apart from the fact a lot of intelligent people (including Dr.BLT the song blogger on this page) would find your statement stupid…..
Pretty much anyone with any sense realises that it’s a matter of opinion, and doesn’t use terms like “blows donkeys”.
And I mean really.
(including Dr.BLT the song blogger on this page)
Umm…you understand that BLT is sorta slow, right? Did you listen to his music? Honestly, if you think BLT’s the shit, you’re welcome to retread grunge.
Pretty much anyone with any sense realises that it’s a matter of opinion
No, that’s objective truth. Creed blows donkeys. Everyone with sense agrees Shakespeare was a great writer, everyone with sense realizes Creed are a turd dropped on music’s timeline.
The objective truth, I think you need to learn the English language again my friend. A little silly trying to argue in a language you don’t understand.
Alternatively, I could say this. Everyone with sense agrees Shakespeare was a great writer, everyone with sense realises Creed were a good songwriting band that get criticised in stupid ways by often narrow minded people who use phrases like “the shit”. Oh dear.
Another take on your “objective truth”. And yes, BLT talks far far more sense on this page than you do, with much more class.
The objective truth, I think you need to learn the English language again my friend.
The odds say you can’t name the grammatical error you have committed in the sentence above.
And yes, BLT talks far far more sense on this page than you do, with much more class.
Please enjoy one of BLT’s finest offerings:
http://www.drblt.net/music/MaverickDemo2.mp3
Also, Creed sucks.
P.S You should realise I used the word “sense” subjectively in the meaningless way you did. Everything you say is bias and opinionated….hence your use of “objective” being very stupid.
Everything you say is bias and opinionated….hence
People who can’t use the word “biased” properly shouldn’t try to follow with a “hence”. It really doesn’t make you look smarter.
Also Creed sucks:
“The odds say you can’t name the grammatical error you have committed in the sentence above.”
The only error I made was not putting a question mark instead of a comma. I Could also have used quotation marks.
This, from the guy who can’t even use the word “objective” without being subjective? Come on, on a message boards that is used to discuss opinions, your use of this word is almost criminal.
Did you honestly think I hadn’t heard about the Chicago show? Stapp was off his face. This was around the time of the split, hardly relevant to the discussion.
The phrase “clutching at straws” comes to mind. Any discussion entitled “Creed sucks” or “that band sucks” is about the most juvenile start to a discussion you can have, full of people claiming to be objective, yet being anything but.
Creed sucks. I don’t care how subjective a judgment that is, it’s plain fact.
P.S I meant say “everything you say contains bias”. Is that okay for you, can you now dare to discuss the real issues again?
Wait, this is a performance piece, right? I mean, is this mark “person” serious about his praise of the Stapp infection?
Also, creed le da placer oral a burros.
“Creed sucks. I don’t care how subjective a judgment that is, it’s plain fact.”
Your final act of desperation. The use of the word “sucks”. The above comment really highlights your inability to use the English language.
I’ve never said everyone should like Creed, but your arguments are juvenile and blind.
I’ve never said everyone should like Creed, but your arguments are juvenile and blind.
Heck, you should see all our other arguments.
They sure are. But Creed still sucks.
I must make clear that my comments about objectivity are aimed at a few of the posters here.
mextremist, I am serious. I admit Stapp has acted like an idiot at times, he’s a self-destructive person. He has been an embarrassment to himself and his fans, at times.
Wow, this thread is amazing. Creed’s one remaining true believer will not let things die.
And, yeah, Creed sucks.
Mom Rock. yep.
I’ve never said everyone should like Creed, but your arguments are juvenile and blind.
Perhaps you could take us higher to a place where blind men see.
I’ve never said everyone should like Creed
That’s lucky, because Creed sucks.
I did a search for Creed rules: View All 8 Fans
I’m not “Creed’s one remaining believer”. This is exactly the sort of short-sightedness I’m trying to challenge, along with the statements of “this band sucks” which are so mindlessly made.
I think you must live on this site. Here’s a quote from Ultimate Guitar, one of the biggest tab sites on the net.
“Fans may have a tough time imagining Stapp and Tremonti apart. Together, the two musicians formed one of the strongest rock songwriting teams of the past decade. Stapp and Tremonti, who formed Creed in 1995 in Tallahassee, Fla., built a band, and a reputation, on their songwriting abilities, turning out radio friendly, yet thoughtful and intelligent tunes that made the band members stars.”
My main aim is to get you to see that we are dealing in opinion, not fact. I’m always amazed, when it comes to Creed, how people become so narrow minded and have to use insults like “all creed fan’s are stupid”. I personally think using an insult like that is the kind of thing that makes you stupid.
[So old and out of it he goes to Amazon to listen to sample a few cuts]
Oh man! That’s seriously pretentious crap!
Some idiot won’t give up after two years? Does he have a column at any of America’s shittiest websites?
Mark’s not the only Creed fan. My kids watch “Hannah Montana,” and Hannah’s goofy, unintelligent brother is a Creed fan too.
True, he’s fictional, but someone did actually write that line.
we are dealing in opinion
There are people who enjoy eating poo. If your argument is that poo is worth eating, by all means make it (heh) but expect others to laugh.
Please note that I did NOT say “Creed sucks.”
Oh no! According to Google, Creed rules:
Creed sucks: Results 1 – 100 of about 191,000 for Creed sucks. (0.39 seconds)
Creed rules: Results 1 – 100 of about 658,000 for Creed rules. (0.51 seconds)
I’m not “Creed’s one remaining believer”. This is exactly the sort of short-sightedness I’m trying to challenge,
Are you sure? I coulda sworn all the Creed fans made the lateral move over to Nickelback. I mean, they’re in the same shit pile.
I think you must live on this site.
I do! I do! I help feed the electricity-providing hamsters!
PeeJ it’s not about giving up, it’s about what someone likes.
You’ve labelled someone you know nothing about as an “idiot” for expressing an opinion.
Is this an intelligent argument? (I’m sorry, but you did feel you had to give an example of someone “unintelligent” liking Creed). Ask yourself that, honestly.
RighteousBubba, I think there is a comparison between Poo being worth eating and your posts being worth reading.
You’ve missed the all-important quotation marks:
Results 1 – 100 of about 2,280 for “Creed rules”.
Results 1 – 100 of about 7,240 for “Creed sucks”.
Proof once again that Creed sucks.
Hooray!
You’ve labelled someone you know nothing about as an “idiot” for expressing an opinion.
[Faints into the arms of a Southern gentleman whilst fluttering fan.]
Oh Bubba you are funny. You aren’t searching for people quoting other people, no need for the quotation marks.
I must admit, it’s unreasonable of me to use quotation marks when quoting somebody. Glare.
Tonight on Kojak! I like your figures 😉
I have no excuses. I’m sorry. I sorry to imply that Creed doesn’t suck.
You aren’t searching for people quoting other people, no need for the quotation marks.
That there is AWESOME.
Even I know to quit. War over. Creed stinkee like poopie.
Oooh I see, so Google do think using quotation marks is something you should do when searching for a specific phrase.
The actual issue is, of course, that you are using a search engine to try and back up your opinion when in fact some of the pages that come up when “Creed sucks” is entered are about the game Assassin’s Creed.
That really is reaching new lows.
This thread is freaking awesome. Someone incoherently trolling a two-year-old thread in order to support Creed, of all things, and citing Dr. BLT as support?
It’s gotta be an audition for the recently-vacated position of Resident Troll–and mark has my vote!
It’s funny that someone who uses phrases like “freaking awesome” uses words like “incoherently”.
I think we can comfortably agree after these two long years that Creed does, in fact, suck.
You’ve labelled someone you know nothing about as an “idiot” for expressing an opinion.
Like RB, I have always depended on the kindness of strangers. And their idiocy.
Better?
I think YOU guys can all agree on using those exact words, yes.
mark,
I haven’t seen an extended solo like this since John Cage had nobody play anything for a weekend. [pretends to light a non-existent lighter].
Wow.
Can we also agree on using the exact words “Creed sucks, and that’s objective fact”?
PS: Creed sucks.
You can embarrass yourselves by using such descriptive words as “sucks”, without being able to have a single objective bone in your bodies, Jim.
“Oh Bubba you are funny. You aren’t searching for people quoting other people, no need for the quotation marks.”
Oh my God, please tell me that this is a joke, and that you really do understand how Google searches work.
Bwaaa haa haa! Thats my “lol” for the day.
Creed eats it hard, I had their first album when I was signed up to columbia house (shitty-cd-clearing-house). I can say, as somebody who listened to the album, multiple times, that Creed were rank trash.
The fact that some fantroll would still be arguing their greatness, after two years, on a blog dedicated to mocking winger news and opinion blogs is the funniest thing I am liable to see all day.
Fun fact, yesterday the funniest thing was:
Om Lingalingalinalinga, Kili Kili!!!
Jim, I’m totally straight, but I have an objective bone, if you’re game.
Oh, never mind. This two-year-old thread is growing faster than I can read it. apparently.
You’re in luck, because apparently I have “bodies” without a single objective bone in them.
Please tell me the majority of people in this thread are in fact not actually real and that they don’t place life and death emphasis on the workings of search engines?
spence, I doubt it. Doesn’t seem the type to know any of the intricacies. Of anything.
Now for the record, I just want to say that I, for one, don’t think Creed sucks. Creed blows donkey dick but they don’t suck.
Jim, if nit-picking is your game, your friends have given you plenty of material.
PeeJ aren’t you the clever boy. If you think you are in a position to you know my level of knowledge on wide ranging subjects after a few posts on a message board you’ have to question your own judgement.
This thread clearly shows one thing; the sad inability of your average (American) Creed hater to have a discussion without resorting to sniping and character assassination
Honestly, I think you are reasons to like Creed.
Shalom, Gentlemen.
It depends what you’re Googling. If it’s “Quick Cures Anti-Venom”, then you better not have the quotes there. You’d be fucked.
Please tell me you don’t really think that anyone believes googling “Creed sucks” is a matter of life and death. Also, please post a link to your definition of “objective” and outline why you reject the other equally valid definitions.
Jim, if nit-picking is your game, your friends have given you plenty of material.
Ha-HA Jimbo. Try and get us, Mr. Professional Nit-Picker! It’s like the world’s itchiest easter egg hunt.
mark,
Thank you m’boy, thank you. I haven’t seen such entertaining doofery since the early Usenet days! You’re a classic. Creed sucks gigantic putty balls and so do you.
I think Oasis sucks just as much as creed.
The only worthwhile thing Scott Sapp ever did was at at a Denny’s .
Oasis?! Why you, I outta…
Cigarettes and alcohol is great song. Rock and Roll Star too. They might be the same song. I don’t know. I’ll “Google” it.
That said, I always wondered how the Gallagher’s found their muse.
For the nit-pickers, no “apoSTAPPe” should have been affixed to “Gallaghers”.
acrannymint, that is refreshing.
PeeJ your so eloquent, Mr “putty balls”. Dear me.
tigrismus.
Objective – A term used to describe information which is without bias or prejudice and attempts to present all sides of an issue.
All sides of the issues. Some people loathe Creed, some people love them. It’s a fact that they have many fans and for every argument on one side, their is a counter argument. Creed sucks is not an objective term in any way.
and For his next trick, the Creed fan is going to tell us that Jonah Goldberg’s book really is spectacularly well written, that Lou Dobb’s real name is Luis Villalobos and that Jim Belushi is the Greatest Comedic Actor who EVER LIVED!!1!
Some people loathe Creed, some people love them.
No, I’m pretty sure its just you, amigo.
“I think you must live on this site. Here’s a quote from Ultimate Guitar, one of the biggest tab sites on the net.
“Fans may have a tough time imagining Stapp and Tremonti apart. Together, the two musicians formed one of the strongest rock songwriting teams of the past decade. Stapp and Tremonti, who formed Creed in 1995 in Tallahassee, Fla., built a band, and a reputation, on their songwriting abilities, turning out radio friendly, yet thoughtful and intelligent tunes that made the band members stars.” ”
Well, that confirms it. Ultimate Guitar sucks.
Then, Clown, I’m sure of your ignorance.
Even I hate Creed.
OK, OK…
i’ll offer a different viewpoint if it will please the Creed fan…creed doesn’t suck
Creed blows.
Ignorance is bliss, as they say. Especially ignorance of Creed.
Then, Clown, I’m sure of your ignorance.
If someone puts this in their next Circus-noir novel without citation, I’ll know they’re plagiarizing.
Full disclosure: I’m starting to feel bad. Anyone else?
Great discussion guys, thanks.
Look, I realize that Creed are My children and all that, but they just blow. They suck goat balls.
Glad we could help.
“Great discussion guys.”
Objective fact.
The actual definition:
ob·jec·tive (?b-j?k’t?v)
adj.
1. Of or having to do with a material object.
2. Having actual existence or reality.
3.
1. Uninfluenced by emotions or personal prejudices: an objective critic. See synonyms at fair1.
2. Based on observable phenomena; presented factually: an objective appraisal.
4. Medicine. Indicating a symptom or condition perceived as a sign of disease by someone other than the person affected.
5. Grammar.
1. Of, relating to, or being the case of a noun or pronoun that serves as the object of a verb.
2. Of or relating to a noun or pronoun used in this case.
Please note there is no requirement to present all sides, merely that one make a fair judgment based on observation. Explain how if someone listens to Creed with an open mind and decides, based on the music itself, that Creed sucks, that isn’t covered by definition 3.
Creed sucks is not an objective term in any way.
You’re right. It’s an objective statement. Their suckiness has been measured and the scale had to be recalibrated. Now, a band’s “Creed Score” is used to determine how bad that band is. I would say it is Creed’s one-and-only true accomplishment. Please don’t try and take it away from them. It’s all they have.
Shalom, Gentlemen.
This was like watching an old Marx Brothers movie.
Had me in stitches.
Thanks, mark, for playing the straight man.
Er, sorta.
mikey
I’m starting to feel bad. Anyone else?
Sort of…I do feel a sense of loss…much the same as I feel whenever a friend develops a passionate, fanatical devotion to some band or TV show or book, etc. that’s actually kind of mediocre. And I wonder how many really good bands or books or whatever they missed out on while they were waxing ecstatic about some middling junk. I know that taste is subjective, and I know that I’m being elitist and snobbish and all that, bu just think of the amount of truly amazing music could have been heard in just the amount of time spent here today, debating the merits of Creed’s song catalog. Makes one want to weep.
Not as hard as I weep when a Creed song comes on the radio, though. That’s just fucking awful.
3.2. Based on observable phenomena; presented factually: an objective appraisal.
Note the word “factually”. Saying Creed sucks, once again, is opinion. Just like saying “Creed are great”. How can you not see this?
“Please note there is no requirement to present all sides, merely that one make a fair judgment ”
Do you not realise that a judgement is, in itself, not factual, but opinion?
And equally someone with an open mind may decide that Creed are good. Therefore you cannot say these things are objective or factual.
Mad Clown don’t assume that me liking Creed has anything to do with not having heard other bands.
I’m a fan of a lot of bands and artists such as Jeff Buckley, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, The Beatles.
Mark, my child, Creed sucks. Bunch of warmed-over Pearl Jam bullshit. Now go and sin no more.
I think some of you would argue that night was day, frankly.
I bid you farewell, enjoy your blindness.
Mark, you are insisting on extra requirements not in the definition. According to 3.1, being objective means one observes something without having PRE-formed an opinion, without being influenced by emotion or prejudice. It is not necessary that one not form an opinion AFTER, if that opinion is based on a fair observation.
If you want to argue the semantics of “fact” in 3.2, we can do that, too, but notice that refers to the presentation, not the judgment. Any any rate, it doesn’t make using “objective” in accordance with 3.1 less valid.
And an appraisal is a judgment and therefore, to you, an opinion, and yet the definition makes it clear an objective appraisal is possible. As you’ve proven yourself to be an ass as well as an idiot, though, I wash my hands of you.
Stephen,
Thanks for the lingalingalinky. It was kila,
“Do you not realise that a judgement is, in itself, not factual, but opinion?
And equally someone with an open mind may decide that Creed are good. Therefore you cannot say these things are objective or factual.”
Ok Ok, but following that line of reasoning, I cannot factually, objectively say that killing Stapp by having him drown in a pool of goat smegma is a bad thing, or that it sucks in any way.
I guess by “someone with an open mind” you mean like someone who’s mind is like physically open, like a lobotomy, in which case it would make sense they like creed, I guess…
This got funnier when there was less me in it.
Unpossible!!
mikey
How does one argue whether Creed sucks or not? The only logically and humanly possible argument is how much they suck. Though, I’m not sure science has advanced far enough to compute a sum so enormous.
And the person or persons who leaked the sex tape, supposedly, in order to “ruin” Scott Stapp’s solo “career” should get the Nobel Peace prize. Georgia’s favorite peanut farmer wasn’t even that fucking benevolent.
OK, but for the sake of argument, if Creed objectively sucks in a forest and there’s no one there to hear them, do they still suck? Objectively speaking?
OK, but for the sake of argument, if Creed objectively sucks in a forest and there’s no one there to hear them, do they still suck? Objectively speaking?
God would most definitely hear it. So yes, they would still suck. Plus, those poor animals.
Dung beetles say that dung tastes great, too, so it’s subjective that the rest of us say it tastes like shit. Nevertheless, Creed is awfully cheesy shit.
OK, but for the sake of argument, if Creed objectively sucks in a forest and there’s no one there to hear them, do they still suck? Objectively speaking?
Speaking as an objectivist, yes.
The objective fact that creed absolutely, uncontrovertibly sucks ass illustrates John Locke’s famous distinction between primary and secondary qualities. This distinction outlines which qualities are actually in an object, and which qualities are not. That is, a red thing is not really red, a sweet thing is not really sweet, a sound does not actually sound like anything, but the music of creed actually sucks the testicles of donkeys.
Ha-HA Jimbo. Try and get us, Mr. Professional Nit-Picker! It’s like the world’s itchiest easter egg hunt.
Look, I’m back now, and I have a steel comb.
God DAMN, Righteous Bubba, I clicked on that Maverick song link. You are truly a sadistic piece of shit for posting that. I had always thought Dr BLT needed a long rest away from the internet, but this atrocity against music itself is too much to bear. If you read of a musician committing suicide, it will be on your head. Nobody should ever have to listen to such out of tune, tasteless music without ample supplies of heroin suppositories and nitrous oxide.
Oh, yes, and Creed does indeed blow donkey. I nearly forgot.
Creed, the Kansas of the naughts.
Except, of course, Creed really suck.
“I’ve never said everyone should like Creed, but your arguments are juvenile and blind.”
Arguments are next door. This is abuse.
Imagine a man who does nothing but rape goats all day long. I have never heard it myself, but I would speculate that the vocalizations of a raped goat would be very rough on the ears. In comparison, Creed may sound pleasant. Therefore, I think it is entirely possible that Mike might actually like listening to Creed if he spent his youth raping goats.
I jest, but the point is, if there is no objective truth, then all is subjective. In that sense, your opinion about whether or not Creed blows donkey balls is based on what else you’ve heard in your life. I think we can all agree that even Creed ranks slightly above the sound of goats being raped.
So, what I want to know is, what kind of hell have Mike’s ears been subjected to in order for him to think that Creed makes pleasing music?
Indeed, Creed suck (sucks? sucked?); this much is beyond dispute.
But at least they’re not lonely at the bottom. On a suck-scale of zero to Creed, I’d put both Nickelback and Coldplay at about, er, 0.95 Creeds. Sting and Aaron Sorkin, maybe 0.9 Creeds.
“311, I am ready to fight!”
I’m actually particularly impressed that it only took Bubba 7 minutes to respond to mark’s first foray onto this thread.
7 minutes – Bubba, do you have a bot looking at these threads or something?
Oh – wait – RSS? That IS cool.
There is absolutely no doubt that Creed blows donkey dick. No doubt whatsoever. It is a matter of apodictic truth. Creed sucks ass like 2+2=4 and like blue is a color. There is no god but somehow there is a kind of an anthropic principle that dictates that it is part of the very fabric of the universe for Scott Stapp to be exactly like the nozzle on a douche. If you don’t instantly see this intuitively, then it simply means that you have shit for musical taste and that you can’t possibly be intelligent. It means there is no hope for you whatsoever. You have a taste for shit that comes to you naturally.
This thread is quite possibly the funniest thing I’ve seen this year. Maybe ever. I can’t believe anyone is even having this conversation!
Sean
P.S. Have I mentioned that Creed sucks? Donkey Balls? Just wanted to get that out there.
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I saw that this thread has fired up again. Here are some relevant articles on my blog. I am a HUGE Scott Stapp fan.
I’m disappointed ya’ll are stuck on Creed when the true enemy of white man rock is Nickelback.
Nickelback
That is so OT.
Is the form of sucking Creed?
I’d be remiss in failing to point out that Scott Stapp made my objectively determined list of Worst Americans:
Produced with the same spark of insight that spawned Chicken Soup for the Soul and its innumerable spinoffs, each Creed album was an opera of bathos and pretension, each music video a chance for Stapp to imagine himself nailed to a cross. By sheer coincidence, Stapp’s many non-admirers also wished to see him impaled on a slab of wood — a rare moment of congruity, perhaps, but one worth noting.
I still remember choking with derisive laughter when confronted by the Creed video where the Stappster is floating around in a boat, gazing sensitively into the camera, then making these… STRAINING gestures with his arms, his fists clenched and a hideous grimace on his face. My girlfriend watched for a moment in disbelief, then turned to me and said, “He acts like he’s totally constipated.” Watch for yourself — he literally looks like he’s trying to push out the biggest, hardest turd imaginable, all the while surrounded by tons of the kind of “poetic” imagery designed to impress twelve-year-olds everywhere:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eUSsbd9924
Can’t someone use a little special effects magic to remove Stapp’s pants for a new and improved version of this video? Even better, change the boat to a floating toilet, and add a few well-placed farting noises. Could be the greatest rock video ever…
I am not personally familiar with the “music” of Creed. I’m sure I’ve heard it, and might recognize it, if it was played within earshot. But at the moment, I can not recall what their recordings sound like.
As such, this makes me ideally suited to offer an evaluation free of subjective bias and opinion.
Objectively and empirically, Creed does suck. Their Mean Musical Quality score (MMQI) is a mere 4.8 milliclaypools, on the Stanford-Wexler Talent Assessment Index.
It does not get much shittier than that, frankly.
All Canadiens know that Creed sucks donkey balls. And that is a fact.
But at least they’re not lonely at the bottom. On a suck-scale of zero to Creed, I’d put both Nickelback and Coldplay at about, er, 0.95 Creeds. Sting and Aaron Sorkin, maybe 0.9 Creeds.
I can agree with that, with the proviso that the Police with Sting of course belong nowhere on the suck scale, as they kicked a kind of ass that is rarely seen on Earth.
All Canadiens know that Creed sucks donkey balls. And that is a fact.
Coming from a guy in, quite possibly, the most overrated Canadian band on the planet, this statement has a lot of weight. When Rush thinks you suck, you should just kill yourself.
I can agree with that, with the proviso that the Police with Sting of course belong nowhere on the suck scale, as they kicked a kind of ass that is rarely seen on Earth.
Oh, absolutely. Police =/= Sting. Synchronicity portended a few of the ills to come, but Sting’s solo career really ratcheted up the level of suck, exponentially and monotonically, from one release to the next.
Stings career is in inverse. His debut was in the Who’s movie Quadrophenia as the mod with the kewlest scooter. I think since Dune it’s all been downhill.
and yeah, Creed, bleh.
Just as I suspected from the Obots here at Sadly, O!…hatred of a solid band beloved by many Reagan Democrats in the true blue heartland of Appalachia, that base of freedom for America and a beacon to the world, and especially that area untouched by the sickening misogony of Barack Obambi, the inadequate candidate that will cause me and millions more to walk away from the Democrat Party.
Creed owns.
No they don’t.
OKAY YOU GUYS THIS HAS GONE ON FAR TOO SERIOUSLY LONG ENOUGH BY HALF ALRIGHT
There are still points to be made, such as “Creed sucks.”
Bookmark this, liberals. Creed is awesome.
Blart.
The fact is, Creed is embarking on a reunion tour in the Heartland and there’s nothing you loony libs can do about it, ding dong dilly.
I saw Creed last night and it was awesome. Also.
Address Creed, libs!
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tigrismus said,
March 25, 2008 at 22:02
“Mark, you are insisting on extra requirements not in the definition. According to 3.1, being objective means one observes something without having PRE-formed an opinion, without being influenced by emotion or prejudice. It is not necessary that one not form an opinion AFTER, if that opinion is based on a fair observation.”
This would also mean that anyone, without a pre-formed opinion, without being influenced by emotion or prejudice could objectively say that Creed were a great band. It’s still a personal judgement to state what you think and therefore not factual, use your brain. The whole argument being that this is in no way factual. Therefore you just lost the argument all over again. oops. I’ll tell you what, now you can think about trying to find errors in my typing again, or a small loophole such as getting stuck on the definition of some other words, whereas the real issue was one you could never win.
Or I could just admit you’re an ignorant moron whose reading comprehension rivals that of a coprolite.
Not true! Creed sucks. Fact.
Having been transported through time to this thread by a wayward LGM link, let me say that Creed sucks.
The Journal of Holy Fuck Does Creed Blow a Lot reported in its August 2011 issue that listening to Creed’s music caused a significant (p = .001) increase in cancer in a sample of lab mice, as compared to a control group that listened to 1970s Elvis Costello. Just wanted to throw that out there.
So that was the evidence that D. N. Nation used for his August 2011 comment. Good to know.
It was a good comment, it was.