Sunday Matinee

Sadly, No! Productions presents “Officer Barrett and the Jungle Monkey” for your viewing pleasure.

 

Comments: 141

 
 
 

Love your theme “song.”

Also recommended: HL and Stephen Fry in Jeeves and Wooster.

What? Gates? He’s the world’s richest man. Like Justice (sic) Scalia says, “Get over it.”

 
 

That cop is behaving stupidly.

 
 

Wonderful apology: “Hurr durr, I’m sorry I got caught”

 
 

“I’m not rascist, some of my best friends are..whoops”

 
 

I’m not rascist, some of my best friends are republicans, ” fixed.

 
 

You leave Louis Prima (and the Sherman Brothers) out of this!

That was far and away the best musical number in “The Jungle Book,” and one of the best musical numbers in any animated feature.

That being said, Barrett and his defenders should spend a few days reflecting on their sins while locked in the gorilla cage at an especially disreputable and negligent zoo.

 
 

Mr Barrett looks like Curious George, so it was obviously a statement of self-loathing.

 
 

… didn’t call Henry Gates a jungle monkey to malign him racially …

I don’t even have a comment, I just wanted to reflect quietly for a moment on the galaxy-sized stupid of that explanation.

 
 

That being said, Barrett and his defenders should spend a few days reflecting on their sins while locked in the gorilla cage at an especially disreputable and negligent zoo.

I was thinking they should all be sentenced to reverse Michael Jackson skin color treatments. The punishment should fit the crime. Also when their best friends say “I’m not racist, some of my best friends are black” they won’t be lying.

 
 

some of my best friends are were black

FTFM

 
 

“My choice of words, Larry, was lacking.” But I was just so angry at how poorly President Obama calibrated his remarks – it was outrageous that he was so disrespectful?

Also, it is noted that – “Jungle-bunny” comment notwithstanding – Officer Barrett is telling us that spraying someone in the face with pepper spray if they mouth off to a cop is appropriate police conduct.

 
 

Hey, didn’t you hear him? He treats people with dignity and respect and (wait for it…wait for it)…HE WAS IN IRAQ!!

I feel better about it now.

 
 

I’ll give you my response in about 2 hours, when the video is done uploading. Youtube is seriously throttling videos to Argentina. Are you guys in Germany?

And why can’t I get a cute little SN! mini-icon in my browser bar? Also.

 
Rebel without a Nym
 

inkadu said,
August 3, 2009 at 0:35

And why can’t I get a cute little SN! mini-icon in my browser bar?

Because you are insufficiently supportive of universal taxpayer-funded Muslin clitorectomies.

 
 

…and let’s not even get STARTED on the Foreskin Holocaust!

 
 

Oh. Oh. He didn’t say that Gates was a banana-eating jungle monkey, but that he behaved like one, which is totally different.

 
 

yeah. Like Obama said the police acted stupidly not that the cop was stupid.

As always, it’s only wrong if it’s done by a Democrat. If only, if only, there was some kind of shorthand for this…

 
 

His poor choice of words was so unforgivable that I was forced to use strong language in response to it. Unfortunately, I choose my words unwisely, and I regret that.

 
 

I can’t wait for the sequel.

 
 

El Cid said,
August 3, 2009 at 0:53

Oh. Oh. He didn’t say that Gates was a banana-eating jungle monkey, but that he behaved like one, which is totally different.

Different, but still wrong. None of the banana-eating jungle monkeys in my social circle ever uses a car service from the airport. They swing home through the trees.

 
 

Like Obama said the police acted stupidly like honky pigs not that the cop was stupid a honky pig.

Yep, totally the same. See what ya mean.

 
 

come on, owlbear, I wasn’t saying that “stupid” was equivalent to a racial epithet. I was talking about Barrett’s defense of his use of a racial epithet.

You would think at this point people around here would know how a zombie talks.

 
 

“What wise words from the world’s greatest defence council…? Dear mother. Unusual start…”

 
Shell Goddamnit
 

I have never been so glad that my tiny netbook makes it not so easy to watch the vids. A good excuse to just blow on by and not subject myself to the evil stupidity of that piece of shit.

I dunno why, but it’s so much more painful to watch on video than it is to read the words on screen.

 
 

The real problem is all these uppity black people causing public disturbances from inside their own homes.

 
 

I dunno why, but it’s so much more painful to watch on video than it is to read the words on screen.

number of senses being assaulted.

 
 

Let’s face it, if you fail to see that “jungle monkey” might be offensive, you shouldn’t be allowed to walk around the streets with a loaded weapon.

 
 

I dunno why, but it’s so much more painful to watch on video than it is to read the words on screen.

pronunciation.

 
 

It’s been several days now since Officer Barrett made his … um … controversial remarks, and at least as far as I read, no one has commented on the popular text Gates wrote in which he lays out the foundation of his theory of African-American rhetoric, and which established his reputation as a public intellectual.

Whatever else Officer Barrett may have done with his thoughtless words, he has given a whole generation of English graduate students job security.

 
 

And why can’t I get a cute little SN! mini-icon in my browser bar?

Because you are insufficiently supportive of universal taxpayer-funded Muslin clitorectomies.

Is that a plug-in for Opera? I’m using Firefox and googling “plugin muslim cliteroctomies” keeps directing me to the techsupport page of whitehouse.gov.

 
Wyatt Watts III
 

As Barrett was leaving CNN, Lou Dobbs grabbed him and asked him to be his co-host.

 
 

Wyatt Watts III said,
August 3, 2009 at 1:44

As Barrett was leaving CNN, Lou Dobbs grabbed him and asked him to be his co-host prom date.

Don’t thank me; it’s all in a day’s work.

 
 

sorry, zrm thought you were quoting some else.

 
 

Why didn’t Barrett just say,

I did not know jungle monkey was racist. My mother used to call us jungle monkeys all the time. “Hey you jungle monkeys, stop playing in the woods and come and eat your dinner.” I always thought it was just used a playful, non racial term. It’s time to take back our language from the control of the uppity black scholars of Harvard Square and jungle monkeys like Barack Obama, Al Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson.

 
 

inkadu said,
August 3, 2009 at 1:52

“Macaca es su caca.”

 
 

Imagine if a conservative had said this!!!!!!

 
 

Just another cop who wants a free beer from the President. Something tells me this one won’t get one.

 
 

Meanwhile

Gates: Sgt. Crowley And I May Go To Red Sox Game

It turns out that Obama used his witchy teleprompter powers to hypnotize them. Who knew that sitting down and talking to people and not being a flaming asshole gets results? Damn you witchy Obama!

 
 

number of senses being assaulted.

The senses referred to: vision, smell.

 
 

Breaking news, er, something… In case it hasn’t come up over here already (WP-willing) –

According to the authoritative World Nut Daily, attorney-dentist-realtor Orly Taitz sez she has the genyooine Kenyan birth certificate of Barack HUSSEIN Obama. There’s a somewhat poor photo of the document and everythang.

Git on it, Lou Dobbs!! This will boost your career even further!!!

 
 

Yup, that nice white piece of crisply folded paper looks 48 years old alright.

 
 

attorney-dentist-realtor Orly Taitz sez she has the genyooine Kenyan birth certificate of Barack HUSSEIN Obama. There’s a somewhat poor photo of the document and everythang.

So I guess they trust the government officials of Kenya more than they do the state of Hawaii?

 
Xecklothxayyquou Gilchrist
 

Yup, that nice white piece of crisply folded paper looks 48 years old alright.

Maybe the new line of attack is that Obama is only six months old – therefore not only ineligible as a non-U.S. citizen, but ineligible because he’s too young.

 
 

Let the Kerning begin!

 
 

Oh mah fuckin Gawd, World Nut Daily is promoting that shite? It’s been debunked already. If you look at the bottom of the document, shown in third image on the page (WND helpfully labels this “An enlarged view of the bottom of the document”), it shows that it’s from Coast Province, Republic of Kenya, and it was signed February of 1964*.

There was no Republic of Kenya until December of 1964. FAILITY FAILITY FAIL FAIL.

*No, I don’t have any idea why they produced a (fake) document from 1964, 3 years after Obama’s birth. I don’t speak WIngnut.

 
 

If he hadn’t have written jungle monkey, then I would’ve been confused and thought maybe he was talking about snow monkeys, which would’ve changed everything, so he was really doing a favor, at least for me.

 
 

I actually have less problem with this guy than I do with Crowley. This guy ran his mouth. Crowley jimmied up bogus charges to arrest Gates at his own home. Which do you consider worse, or do you think both are equally outrageous? Me, I’m going with the arrest. Diss me all you want, but arrest my ass and it’s ON, baby.

 
 

A Kenyan birth certificate! eeep… SARAH PALIN IS THE BRAVEST, KINDEST, WARMEST, MOST WONDERFUL PRESIDENT I’VE EVER KNOWN.

 
 

Dr. Orly Taitz, Esq., is approved to handle cases before United States Supreme Court in Washington, DC.

Tremble, obambiphiles.

 
 

ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© said,
August 3, 2009 at 2:49

The jig is up.

I see what you did there, you racy racial racist slyboots.

 
 

Dr. Orly Taitz, Esq., is approved to handle cases before United States Supreme Court in Washington, DC.

Having her in your courtroom is like a trip to the dentist, undisclosed judges report.

 
 

Realist, why can’t we rip on both?

Plenty of toilets to go around.

 
 

Lawyer-dentistry is theft.

 
Xecklothxayyquou Gilchrist
 

There was no Republic of Kenya until December of 1964. FAILITY FAILITY FAIL FAIL.

I’m going to have to see its birth certificate before I can accept that date as accurate.

 
Johnny Coelacanth
 

Dyslexia si fun! I read the title of the post as “Sunday Manatee.” Lulz.

 
 

For fans of the comedic stylings of abandoned Soviet sleeper agent* Orly Taitz, here is a KGO radio interview with Her Birtherness (mp3, and I’m guessing a bit under 30 minutes long, if that play bar thingie and my spatial guesstimation abilities are any indication – I’m only 10 minutes into it so far).

It goes off the rails almost immediately. The interviewer is pretty relentless; damn shame that is so rare anymore.

*Is this speculation? It would be irresponsible NOT to speculate!

 
 

abandoned Soviet sleeper agent* Orly Taitz

Taitz one to know one.

 
 

Taitz one to know one.

Nyet No, I true blue Yankee Doodle Dandy.

(BTW, that interview is some hard, shouty slogging – only recommended for diehard fans of wingnuttia.)

 
 

attorney-dentist-realtor Orly Taitz sez she has the genyooine Kenyan birth certificate of Barack HUSSEIN Obama

That can’t be his ACTUAL VAULT COPY birth certificate since it says he has a christian name and we all know he’s actually a dirty muesli

 
 

This is hardly ordinary proof, but it’s equivalent to birther rumor breathing: it’s possible that at the time, the Coast General Hospital was called the Lady Greek Hospital, and surely these musicians would know. Oh, what the heck, let’s say it anyway.

 
 

By the way, I like how the birthers have decided that they cannot trust Hawaiian officials, being a U.S. state, to have accurate documents from 1961, but they’ll gladly take a Kenyan document barely months into independence from 1964.

 
 

You know, here’s the thing.

Stanley Ann Dunham was an American Citizen. Nobody’s ever questioned that. Even this crap clearly states her identity as an American.

The child of an American Citizen is an American Citizen. full stop. end of story. ALL THIS CRAP IS JUST SO MUCH EFFLUENT BEING SPEWED BY MORONIC RACIST COBAGS WHO ARE UNABLE TO ACCEPT THE FACT OF A BLACK PRESIDENT, BECAUSE THEY ARE MORONIC RACIST COBAGS.

Sheesh. Where are my blood pressure pills, or at least N__B’s ball-peen hammer.

 
 

They know what they want to believe, El Cid.

 
 

This dude:

Yes to Democracy

Is all over the birther crap

And I close off my first year (oh hell!) of blogging about and writing about these birthers, from back when they were cultists with the Cult of the COLB.

Seriously, I should have run screaming when I had the chance. I had NO idea that a simple 3-part debunking would have continued this long. In retrospect, the conspiracy myths around the Clintons should have been a tip-off (and indeed, many of the same people who spewed that bilge are now doing the same with the birther lies.

He has a lot of good information but I really liked his link to:

The Way of the Jedi

Who seems to have a belief though his study of “natural law” that political loyalty and citizenship are gentically transmitted by the parents, with preference given to the father.

“Natural Law of Inherited Loyalties = Males are only born with one fixed loyalty, that is fixed by nature and logic to be only to his fathers tribe and people. Females are naturally born with the possibility of “split” loyalties because females can come from outside of the tribe, so females can be loyal to husbands tribe and home family tribe. Males are only naturally born with loyalty to only one tribe, dads tribe”

That’s some Pam Atlas level stupid there.

 
 

This supposed comedy sketch from British duo Mitchell & Webb recently came into full use for me with my bank, which after my bank card data was stolen and many false charges were made, tried to make it sound like it was my responsibility to just wait for all the charges to be processed and then seek a refund.

Once you listen to it, I don’t think you’ll ever let your bank get away with calling their fraudulent giving away of your money as “identity theft” which is really some inconvenience to you.

 
 

Stanley Ann Dunham was…N__B’s ball-peen hammer.

It’s all been explained.

 
 

I would love to be the defense lawyer for the next black suspect officer “drop ’em and” Barret arrests.

 
 

ZRM,

Actually, the law at the time of his birth was somewhat different than current law, and would be the applicable standard. I don’t remember it off the top of my head, but it was something to the effect that if only the mother was American, and hadn’t lived X number of years as an adult in the US, then the child was not a natural born citizen. As Stanley Ann was just a youngun when she birthed the future Prez, the whingetards would hang their hats on this. Of course, anybody with three brain cells to rub together understands by now that Obama was, in fact, born in Hawaii, so the point is moot. That won’t keep those without from howling to the rafters that the darkity dark dark feller can’t really be a citimuzen because we never shoulda freed them in the first place, which is what this is really all about, now isn’t it.

 
 

Also, re: Barrett,

That there is one motherfucker that really, really ought to not be going on the teevee, to apologize or for any other reason. I mean, what the fuck is he possibly going to say that could do any good whatsoever? There are times when the wisest thing to do is tuck your tail between your legs and disappear, perhaps releasing a well vetted print apologexplanation. I suppose the vampires at the networks are actually offering him dough, and as a recently fired total douchebag in this economy, I suppose I can’t blame him for taking it, but still.

 
The Kid From Kounty Meath
 

Holy shit, I just realized why Taitz being a dentist always made sense… she’s the niece from Finding Nemo, all growed up. It would be irresponsible not to bookmark it.

 
 

And why can’t I get a cute little SN! mini-icon in my browser bar?

Favicon picker addon for FF lets you make custom bookmark icons which also show up on the tabs and such. My sadlyno one is teh cobag graphic. Lord, how time flies. Alas, it only works for the bookmarked page, not the whole site, but it’s better than nothing.

 
 

The Kenyan “Certified Copy of Registration of Birth” says that Obama was born in Mombasa. Why Mombasa, since it’s nowhere near where Obama Sr. was from, and Nairobi would have the best hospitals. Plus, Mombasa was part of Zanzibar until 12 December 1963. Since Zanzibar merged with Tanganyika to form Zanzibar, Obama must therefore be The Man Without A Country.

 
The Kid From Kounty Meath
 

@OriGuy: Because it sounds African enough to be terrifying. Also, it’s got some letters in common with Obama’s name, so it’s easier for them to remember.

 
 

justme – sadlyno is the only web page i have on my toolbar without an automatic favicon. even balloon juice has one. i am paranoid about keeping addons to a minimum, but thanks for the suggesting.

i am also buying some rope and planting a tree, should the need ever arise.

 
 

Barrett and Dean Grose should hang out together. They could chat about how much it sucks for people to accuse them of doing racist shit when all they really did was do racist shit but they didn’t actually mean it in a racist way. Because people call each other jungle monkies and shoop watermelons onto the white house lawn w/o it being racial all the fucking time.

 
 

Sharl — Holy shit. Do not EVER post anything by Orly again. It’s like an audio version of donkey porn. Repulsive yet strangely compelling. I had to listen to it twice. Now I feel dirty.

 
 

justme, that’s the thing about arguing with these stumps.

They don’t care what the issue is, as long as they can keep riding the waaahmbulance. Nothing will ever be enough proof.

so, we just keep whacking them with the ball-peen hammer. Meanwhile, the more exposure and air time they get, the whackier they will seem. Cranking the crazy up to eleven and breaking off the knob worked so well with Terry Schiavo…

 
 

So, did the Russians ever invade the U.S. and use bar codes on the backs of stop signs and the only thing which saved us was the shortwave survivalists and their colloidal silver?

Because that’s what I remember from the 1990s anti-Clintonite hysteria.

 
 

inkadu,

Yeah, a low footprint is good, and FF can be a memory hog, though I gather the alternative is worse. You’ll just have to appeal to Teh Sadlies That Be to put an icon in. My vote clearly goes to the cobag graphic, but whatevs.

That other graphic was a response to then-current wingnuttery. No reason to go ropeless, though. I was just thinking, man, three years. You turn your back for a second

 
 

Sharl – And now I’ve saved it on my hard drive. Goddamnit. Why couldn’t they have it in a streaming, non-saveable format! No I can listen to this any time. Thanks, Sharl. You and your pro-Obama mindset has ruining my evening, and perhaps my life.

 
 

justme – there’s not a lot of graphic space for a fav icon, so it has to be bright and bold. that graphic is a little involved, i think… I think just a SN! graphic from the front page would work fine. And, no, never turn your back.

 
unfinished joke guy
 

Do not EVER post anything by Orly again. It’s like an audio version of donkey porn. Repulsive yet strangely compelling. I had to listen to it twice. Now I feel dirty.

Don’t google “Orly/Huffington slash”.

 
 

They don’t care what the issue is

Why, whatever do you mean?

They went absolutely ballistic over Dan Rather running with a very well orchestrated bait and switch, and hounded him from the airwaves, but are content to
A). take as Gospel the word of anyone in Kenya willing to claim that Obama, the American President and Commander-in-Chief-during-a-time-of-war, was born there, to the point of editing conversations that actually said the opposite and blasting the result as loud as possible, and
B). wave a demonstrably false birth certificate forgery around as some sort of proof to rev up the hydrocephalic base, not giving a shit how bad a forgery it is or how often it has been debunked.
I mean, fuck, these are rubes who think the whole universe is 6k years old on the authority of some dipshit’s interpretation of a single book that contradicts itself enough to make a sane person weep. Once they’re on the hook, they’re on it but good. This ain’t the last we’ll see of this “document”. Every. Single. Republican. Seat. Relies. On. Them.

They care very much what the issue is. If it’s potentially damaging to a Republican, no matter should the facts be burned in the landscape and visible from space, it’s a lie, A LIE I TELL YOU!!! SHUT UP THAT’S WHY!!!.
If it has to do with a Democrat, any “proof” or “evidence” at all, from the shadiest source or none at all, is sufficient to board that waaaahhhhmbulance and go pedal to the metal, siren screaming.

See? They’re totally consistent.

Also, ball peen hammers are all well and fine, but there’s something sort of homey about a good old fashioned set of pinking shears.

 
 

Barrett’s apparent astonishment at being labeled a racist for acting like a racist is the consequence of the entire nation defining the term as “a someone with a southern accent.” These people have been conditioned by our society to believe if they aren’t southern, and don’t actually lynch folks, then they can’t be racist.

I have seen it my whole life–only southerners are truly racist; the rest of Americans are just concerned about “negative cultural influence” or “unfair competition for jobs or scholarships” or some other negative consequence of people who just happen to be non-white. Overt racism outside the South is most often written off as isolated bigots, or reactions to temporary effects such as the economy, or even declared the result of transplanted southerners.

No sirree…no racism outside the scapegoat states. Except I have seen and heard the same old racist stereotypes, “jokes” and tirades from California, across Montana, to Michigan, to Rhode Island, and, yes, to Boston, Mass.

Whenever you have a system such as ours, that survives by keeping the majority of citizens battling for limited resources, you are going to find lazy, fearful Us and Them-ism–the most common of which is racism. Continuing to pretend that racism is a peculiar cultural trait of a definable geographic area is to continue to foster it in our general society.

Thank you…that is all. 🙂

 
 

Cole,

I think you’re mostly right, but I spent 9 years in the deep South and I still think racism is more ingrained in the culture there than it is in other parts of the country.

 
 

MK–

I don’t mean to sound defensive…and I CERTAINLY don’t want to defend southern racism (it was until very recently apartheid–absolutely institutionalized, and so worse in a devastating and immediate way on blacks and whites alike); however, my point is that we need to address the more insidious racism that permeates our culture as a whole, rather than fooling ourselves into believing that we have dealt with it already by teaching those rednecks in the Bible Belt some civilization.

And, of course, what I really mean by that, being a DFH Commie Bastid, is that we need to address the malignant neo-feudalism we have allowed the old aristocracy to foist upon us.

 
Nosfer-Blart-Two
 

He’s says the first time “like a banana eating jungle monkey”, but the second time is “a banana eating jungle monkey”. But he doesn’t mean it in a bigoted sense! This clown is toast. He gets to grovel on teevee and then he still is suspended, what a tough guy.

 
Dragon-King Wangchuck
 

Not to be pedantic who am I kidding but the second time it was:

He indeed has transcended back to a bumbling jungle monkey

and the third time it was (ALL CAPS are Barrett’s)

Your article title should read CONDUCT UNBECOMING A JUNGLE MONKEY –BACK TO ONE’S ROOTS.

So he only accuses Gates of acting like a jungle monkey once, and being a jungle monkey twice. Amusingly you’ll note the number three is Barrett saying that Gates was acting worse than the jungle monkey that he is.

Bonus jungle monkey reference: Occurs between the first and second, call it jungle monkey 1.5 (superfluous end-quote” is Barrett’s):

That paragraph was a s pathetic as jungle monkey gibberish — I might as well ax you the question, Is this your first test at reporting?”

Now I ax you, how can that be considered racist?

 
 

ball peen hammers are all well and fine, but there’s something sort of homey about a good old fashioned set of pinking shears.

In honor of summer gardening, I suggest hedge clippers. WeedWackers work too.

 
Dragon-King Wangchuck
 

In the jungle, the mighty jungle,
The monkey transcends tonight.
In the jungle, the quiet jungle,
Bananas are eaten tonight

Wimowah…

Hush my darling, don’t write my darling,
Serve me some donuts tonight.
Hush my darling, my hot bird darling,
I’m gonna slap you around tonight.

Wimowah, Wimowah, I’m not Racist-owah, not Racist-wah
Wimowah, I are English teachnigs-owah, Wimowah, I pepper-spray you-owah,
Wimowah, Want some more dignity-owah, I’ll slap you some more-wah, Then you can grovel-owah,
Wimowah, why are you all being so mean-wah, Wah-Wah-Wah-owah, LEAVE RACIST BARRETT ALLLOOOOONNNNNEEEEE!

 
Dragon-King Wangchuck
 

Image to go with song.

 
 

Cole and Major Kong: You are both right. Racism IS more ingrained in the South (lived here all my life, woe is me). And it of course exists outside the South. An elderly Nigra gentleman of my acquaintance once reiterated to me his belief in the trope that many blacks prefer the South to YanquiLand because at least here the racism is the up-front kind, not the barely-suppressed/denied kind.

 
 

Well, part of the problem seems to be that the New South is a lie. Much of the South is still controlled by wealthy agrobusiness and extraction industries which exploit the majority of white people and keep them poor and distressed. In order to perpetuate the economic disparities, the wealthy few sponsor Republican candidates who channel that distress into resentment against all ‘outsiders’, whether blacks, Yankees or arugula-eatin’ libruls with them fancy college educashuns.

It’s an old, sick game. Thank FDR my grandfather was able to escape the South and get himself a college degree.

 
 

Cole — I’ll grant you your main point that racism exists everywhere and that focusing on the South is a detriment to progress elsewhere.

That said the racism of the South is worse, and it’s worse on an entirely different level than anywhere else. I can’t attest to how people treat blacks or talk about them in their personal lives, but the entire race-baiting Republican strategy has turned the GOP into a SOUTHERN party. It’s the Southern part of this country (predominantly but not entirely) that is anti-government for fear that a black person, somewhere, might benefit from their tax dollar. It is the Appalachian states that could not bring themselves to vote for Obama in the primaries.

The South has always been dedicated to keeping black people down, and this dedication expresses itself far more profoundly than racial epithets.

 
Ted the Slacker
 

Sorry to interrupt this serious discussion of race etc, but in the news, Malkin is hawking her latest screed on Twitter. With the tag, #coc.

That the Teabag crowd are excited by all this, goes without saying. That this presents opportunists with a goldmine of soft-porn snark… just saying.

 
 

My dad, born and raised in Atlanta in the pre-enlightenment era, used to say that north and south were equally racist, but in different ways. According to him, in the south it was “get as close as you like, but don’t get too high” and in the north it was “get as high as you like, but don’t get too close.” I’m not convinced that his take on things was completely accurate, but there does seem to be a grain of truth to it: in the pre-civil rights era, the bigger offense in the south was for a black person to “put on airs” or “be uppity” but it was not at all uncommon for poor whites and poor blacks to live in close proximity…while up north there were many fewer restrictions on black economic advancement but very few examples of blacks and whites living in close proximity (see: Harlem, white flight from Detroit, etc.)

Like MzNicky, I am a lifelong denizen of the south – I’ve seen a lot of change in attitudes over the years, but the racism is still there and generally much more open than it is up north. But…you find it a lot more among the poor than you do among higher income classes. I’ve often speculated that the ingrained racism of the south was more a function of the economic restraints imposed upon the south during and following reconstruction than it was anything else. When you have a large class of very poor people, it’s going to encourage some to seek advantage in any way they can – no one wants to be the lowest in the pecking order. To my mind, the racial progress seen in the south over the last 4 or 5 decades has more to do with a general improvement in the economic conditions of the region than it does with anything else. But…we still have a lot more poor people than most areas of the country and so…we still have a lot more blatant racism.

 
 

Like MzNicky, I am a lifelong denizen of the south – I’ve seen a lot of change in attitudes over the years, but the racism is still there and generally much more open than it is up north.

I doubt it.

Go outside any large urban center in the north, from Boston to DC to Detroit, and you’ll find an awful lot of rural crackers who would be rednecks if we actually got any sun up here.

 
 

actor212 – that may be; I’ve never lived up north. I can say my rural uncles, aunts, cousins, etc. in Iowa have never displayed any overt racial animus…but on the other hand, there are nothing but white people where they live.

 
 

Jennifer: My parents were both from Kansas. First time I ever heard the “n” word was up there, from my grandpa. (Interestingly [to me anyway], the first [and only] time I ever used an outhouse was at my great-aunt’s, in Leavenworth.)

 
 

Having lived both South and Non-South I can say yes, there is a difference in their respective racism, but is one worser? Dunno, but out here in the West we’re still shooting-to-kill our blacks for mouthing off…

 
 

On Race, if you read Kozol’s “Save Inequalities” he talks about some vicious institutional racism in Chicago — making sure that black areas are as thoroughly screwed by the city government as possible.

And how about Atlanta’s rail system? They put the city subway and the suburban ring railways into the city on different track widths, so there would never be rail…. wait for it….. integration.

 
 

* John Kozol’s Savage Inequalities

Too many crumbs in my keyboard.

 
Dragon-King Wangchuck
 

Speaking of humourless dildoes,

You know, some people are racists. It’s part of their identity and you’ll find them everywhere you go. I still encounter them regularly in Toronto, Canuckistan – arguably the most multi-cultural city on the planet.

There is no “post-racial” society where everyone gets together to sing Kumbayah. Using the mythical as a measuring stick is pointless.

Is “less-closeted” racism better? It doesn’t sting as much because you can see it coming – but I have to say that marking racist behaviour as unacceptable is not a bad thing. Sure it’s easier to tell who the idiots are when they ain’t afraid to act like jackasses in public – but if society doesn’t punish such behaviour, how is it going to change?

 
 

And how about Atlanta’s rail system? They put the city subway and the suburban ring railways into the city on different track widths, so there would never be rail…. wait for it….. integration.

Listen, racism is so widespread, the rain in Spain falls mainly on the white.

 
 

And did anyone notice TinTin’s dog is white?

 
 

And how about Atlanta’s rail system? They put the city subway and the suburban ring railways into the city on different track widths, so there would never be rail…. wait for it….. integration.

WHOOP! PEDANT WARNING! WHOOP!

Same track width, different car widths and clearances. All trains in the US use the same track width and have since the 1880s.

/PEDANT WARNING.

Cars for suburban rail tend to be wider than subways, and while I don’t know Atlanta, it’s not necessarily the result of intentional planning. There’s a 1910 abandoned stub of rail bed at a station I use every day where the Long Island Railroad was supposed to join the IRT subway…except the LIRR cars don’t fit and never did.

 
 

Picture a series of excerpts from Officer Bare-It’s screed, blown up to a font-size that can be read from across a room, printed and mounted on 4 by 6 foot sheets of foam-core, with the words “Jungle Monkey” in bold-face and highlighted. Now picture these boards resting on easels in a courtroom, positioned so that the jury can glance from them to the black defendant, to the arresting officer…

 
Dragon-King Wangchuck
 

Picture a series…

An interesting point to be sure. Seeing as how arresting black men for no reason at all is apparently one of the functions of the Cambridge Police Department, Officer Barrett’s ability to do his job is now severely hampered.

Your honor, that police officer is lying, I wasn’t speeding/parked illegally/ignoring traffic signals/etc.
Your honor, that kilo of coke was planted on my by the racist cop over there.
Your honor, that racist cop harassed me and caused me six ot seven figures worth of emotional distress.

 
 

Mombasa was part of Zanzibar until 12 December 1963

Holy hell, they didn’t even do the minimum amount of homework to make that thing believable, did they?

 
 

N_B,

I’m not sure that was the intent. The LIRR was originally built all the way thru to the East River in 1854, with passengers boarding ferries into Manhattan (and freight cars being lifted up onto barges, which is why at the river you see those big cranes that were left standing).

That station still exists (Borden Avenue, near 2nd Street) and you can still recreate those rides using the NY Waterway a block away.

The tracks I think you’re referring to were a shunt of a freight line that runs to Gantry State Park where the original gantry cranes are still erect. That was used to move freight on and off LI via barge from Manhattan and New Jersey.

Those tracks, as this avid bicycler can tell you, have been exposed by all the truck and car traffic that came about as a result of all the gentrification of what was a really cool little industrial area.

 
 

I think you’re mostly right, but I spent 9 years in the deep South and I still think racism is more ingrained in the culture there than it is in other parts of the country.

Maybe, Major Kong, but as a native Southerner with Chicago area inlaws I can assure you they have racist strains every bit as strong up there as anywhere down here outside of Mississippi/Alabama.

As for Boston itself, I refer you to the ever charming Louise Day Hicks.

 
 

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Now they’re not “ruling out” middle class tax hikes.

They never were. There was always talk about taxing health insurance benefits.

Hell, it was MCCAIN’S idea, dumbass!

 
 

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Yes, an idea they attacked McCain for, and now they’re adopting it.

When McCain said it, the economy hadn’t had its Bushifying.

Now, there’s precious little choice.

So all those Kleenex you jerked off into for eight years? You should have kept them to heat your house!

 
 

By the way, Troofie. It still won’t affect you and your sub-minimum wage job at WalMart, so what’s it to you?

Leave those of us who actually have to pay it to talk about it.

 
 

You missed one, TinTin:

The Next Carter said,
August 3, 2009 at 17:16

 
 

N_B – I thought I had leanred something, then actor 212 confused it out of me.

I learned one thing today, and one thing is all that fits in my head: Government cheese was stored in the vast underground limestone caverns of Atchison, Kansas. I will review your comments about rail widths and clearances in 24 hours–after my brain has digested the cheese.

 
 

N_B – I thought I had leanred something, then actor 212 confused it out of me.

I’m just glad I didn’t mention the street cars…

 
 

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Poor Troofie. He must be working the overnight shift at Denny’s again…

 
 

The tracks I think you’re referring to were a shunt of a freight line that runs to Gantry State Park where the original gantry cranes are still erect. That was used to move freight on and off LI via barge from Manhattan and New Jersey.

I’m referring to the stub roadbed within the Atlantic Ave station, where it’s this close to getting trains from track 6 of the LIRR to the westbound 7th Avenue IRT. This was meant as a possible replacement for the then-already-abandoned Atlantic Avenue tunnel (Flatbush Ave to the harbor).

The other stuff you’re talking about is either abandoned ferry terminals, freight lines, or both.

N_B – I thought I had leanred something, then actor 212 confused it out of me.

Just history geeks/rail buffs chatting. Do not watch us directly unless you’re wearing welders’ goggles.

 
 

You don’t see a lot of overt racism in my state (CT) because we’re so segregated, there are people who almost never see or deal with people with evenly distributed melanin. It’s easy to keep your white privilege under wraps when you never encounter anyone to challenge it.

 
 

Ah, the Brooklyn branch! Yes, of course, near the still-extant Atlantic Ave tunnel…

 
 

FYWP. “this close” was small font in preview.

 
 

Hey shithead – if we would have listened to Carter then maybe the Saudis wouldn’t have our nuts in a vice and we would be thirty years ahead of where we are now in the transition to renewable energy.

Brainless Carter bashing pisses me off.

 
 

No kidding, Stuart. When one listens to his speeches now it’s breathtaking how prescient he was.

 
 

Government cheese was stored in the vast underground limestone caverns of Atchison, Kansas.

Veiled ejaculation reference.

 
 

Holy hell, they didn’t even do the minimum amount of homework to make that thing believable, did they?

I’m not even sure “they” were trying. One of the rumors I heard was that the whole thing is a punk. Doctors named after laundry soap, obvious errors in names of countries, even the number, which contains Obama’s age, number of his presidency. Sounds like somebody, somewhere, is having a big laugh.

 
 

N_B – very veiled. I can’t see even a spermatozoa.

 
 

It’s like a Rorschach test. Just stare for a while, describe what you see, and never mind the man on the other side of the table suddenly injecting you with Thorazine.

As opposed to a Horshach test, where you laugh through your nose and tell jokes that were old before you were born.

 
 

More thorazine please, Dr. Barney Miller.

 
 

At least 4/5 stars! The last time I had a mental image of the talky-string with the ring on the end slithering up someone’s spine like that was a Dan Quayle interview! Yowsa!

That Taitz interview is a pretty ripe LOLburger … she’s got some kryptonite huevos to yowl about “facts” after admitting on TeeVee that nothing in the universe could ever change her mind – nosiree Bob – teleport her back to the delivery room & within seconds of arrival she’d swear that ACORN black-ops agents had drugged & programmed her … so perhaps in “honor” of the Moonies, we should call these folks COLBies.

the first [and only] time I ever used an outhouse was at my great-aunt’s, in Leavenworth

I spent about five years (in two seperate very lovely places in the boondocks) enjoying the rustic charms of using a biffy … getting frozen to the seat in the winter was the worst of it, & one of the best views for miles around was what made up for it.

 
 

By the way, Troofie. It still won’t affect you and your sub-minimum wage job at WalMart, so what’s it to you?

Poor Troofie. He must be working the overnight shift at Denny’s again…

HAHAHA YEAH POOR PEOPLE

 
 

getting frozen to the seat in the winter was the worst of it, & one of the best views for miles around was what made up for it

So the biffy was on a hilltop and the folks around you had telescopes?

 
 

Well played, Tintin.

 
 

Dyslexia si fun! I read the title of the post as “Sunday Manatee.” Lulz.
Hey, me too!

 
 

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