Touche!

Perfect.

This is all very well, but the map makes it clear that Massachusetts is actually a camouflaged PENIS.

Yeah but, see, the problem is the Georgians have pure genes. Because they marry other Georgians …. Southerners marry other Southerners, so they have a pure society. In Massachusetts you marry everybody. You will marry Italians and Irish.

Georgia’s still doing better in schools anyway than their neighbors to the North. Unless I’m mistaken, S.C. schools are still dead last in the country – which makes it all the better that Gov. Sex Machine didn’t take Obama’s filthy money, for some reason. Maybe having been edumacated in a Sou’ Ca’lina school makes it more understandable.

map makes it clear that Massachusetts is actually a camouflaged PENIS

I thought that was Florida’s job.

And maybe the Doughy One was thinking of the other Georgia? The one in Asia?

That’s what I always tell them! If they want to live in total freedom with lots of guns and no taxes and where every man is a rugged individualist, there are lots of wonderful countries living the conservative dream right now! Most of them on the equator so the weather is nice!

Remind me to wear an extra condom if I ever “visit” Georgia.

What’s the number of drunken red heads per 100,000?

The people of Georgia are free to have all the chlamydia they want.

Oh sure, compare yourselves to Georgia. Pheh. Anywhere looks good compared to Georgia.

OTOH, Mass. does allow cohomosexualists to make chowder together.

And this isn’t merely an expression of provincial tribalism…

Well, when you compare yourself to Georgia…

I hear Mass also beats out Georgia in Brady man-love videos. And blog posts featuring them.

Right on on the stats and debunking, though.

Now if only someone could teach the Massholes to drive… 🙂

Whatevs. You guys are okay. Okay, pretty cool. Fine, but I live in Chicago and we’re going to get the Barack Olympics, bitches. Suck it.

It could have been worse. He could have compared Arkansas to Massachusetts.

Total roller coasters

• Georgia: 25 (8th in country)
• Massachusetts: 9 (20th in country)

Total roller coasters (per capita)

• Georgia: 2.756 per 1 million people (12th in country)
• Massachusetts: 1.407 per 1 million people (31st in country)

Marco — dude, I love chicago. Probably my third-favorite city in the USA (Boston, New York then ChiTown… basically I love any city that loves baseball).

J– good point. I’d rather ride a roller coaster than not have chlamydia.

On the other hand, Georgia does occasionally elect a minority to federal level office, unlike MA at any point in the last decade and a half. Granted, two years ago you elected a black governor, but given that Atlanta, a metropolitan area that presently has nearly as many people as your entire state, elected it’s first black mayor thirty five years ago, I’m not sure that counts for much.

I’m not saying all that other stuff isn’t great, congratulations in fact. But, I am saying that no place is perfect, no matter what it claims.

Why are people fleeing Mass for low tax NH then?

And why is Georgia growing so quickly?

RedCon — you tell me! Maybe conservatives like contracting STDs?

Not if their rollercoasters have chlamydia.

And why is Georgia growing so quickly?

Viagra.

…good point. I’d rather ride a roller coaster than not have chlamydia.

You wouldn’t say that if you’d ever had chlamydia.

Don’t forget the divorce rate. Mass. had the lowest in the nation last I heard (too lazy to look it up) — despite all the gay marriage cooties, doncha know.

Viagra.

That and the deep-fried lard bites.

Excellent post, Brad. Massachusetts is, indeed, a fine, fine state; its public transport is excellent, Boston is a beautiful city, the Mass Staties are some of the most helpful police you’ll ever meet and clam chowder is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. But I do have one minor objection.

Namely, Pats suck. GIANTS FTW!

Some serious STD action down in Georgia. WTF?

I’m guessing it’s the lack of decent sex education, combined with the lack of decent education in general.

Because, Red Con, you douchebag, a certain percentage of any population will go somewhere nearby so they can be a fucking leech. You know, like how all your wonderful cracker-filled states suck off the Fed teat, getting back more in tax money than they send to DC. See, your ideological brethren in MA like all the BENEFITS of the social contract that makes them better statistically than cracker-laden hellholes like Georgia, but like your holy god Bush, they don’t want to pay for it!, so they sponge from NH. And really, within a generation, when global warming turns most of Georgia into West Texas (in all ways imaginable) those Massholes fleeing for warmer climes will be back again for mild summers, foliage and actually services…

And why is Georgia growing so quickly?

Well hell, growing fast = good.

That argument makes as much sense as all those people who were buying real estate at the height of the market.

I chuckled when I read that the state is suing the feds – something about DOMA infringing on states’ rights or some such.
Also.

We know how to drive, we simply choose to act otherwise.
Really – it’s hard to drive as erratically as I do, but I make the effort out of love.

As a place to live:

Massachusetts: #7
Georgia: #38

#1 is New Hampshire, for all the state-run liquor stores at the
rest stops, no doubt.

Thomas said,

On the other hand, Georgia does occasionally elect a minority to federal level office, unlike MA at any point in the last decade and a half. Granted, two years ago you elected a black governor, but given that Atlanta, a metropolitan area that presently has nearly as many people as your entire state, elected it’s first black mayor thirty five years ago, I’m not sure that counts for much.

?

Even the ultra-racist part of Massachusetts is called “South”. Ed Brooke was elected before and re-elected during the busing crisis — and he was a black fella. MLK got his Dr. there. Oak Bluffs has been one of the major african-american resorts for the past 150 years. Georgia has a gigantic memorial for the Confederacy which has served as the spiritual home base for Klan since the beginning of their exisistence. Boston has a gorgeous frieze of the Massachusetts 54th right across from the State House. And look up Willie O’Ree sometime. Or Chuck Cooper. Or hell, Sam Jethroe. And Hagler was WAAAAAAY better a fighter than that fucking Hollyfield.

The three un-cleanable stains of Massachusetts intolerance: Salem Witch Trials; Louisa Day Hicks (who the GREAT Joe Moakely defeated in a rematch by running as an independent); Tom Yawkey (who happened to run the Red Sox, but was from South Carolina, was an unmitigated racist and employed unmitigated racists).

But enjoy your syphilis.

Well hell, growing fast = good.

Damn straight.

This is all very well, but the map makes it clear that Massachusetts is actually a camouflaged PENIS.

It’s hardly camouflaged.

Remind me to wear an extra condom if I ever “visit” Georgia.

Two wetsuits, ’nuff said!

On the other hand, Georgia does occasionally elect a minority to federal level office, unlike MA at any point in the last decade and a half. Granted, two years ago you elected a black governor, but given that Atlanta, a metropolitan area that presently has nearly as many people as your entire state, elected it’s first black mayor thirty five years ago, I’m not sure that counts for much.

I dunno, it might have something to do with the fact that 61.4% of the population of Atlanta is black (as of 2000 census) vs. 8.9% in Massachusetts.

And what Jay B. said.

I look at those STD rates and I remember that Eric Erickson was a Macon deacon (at least until his church dissolved).

Macon deacon bacon? but the man is so unattractive. No, he probably replaces the antibiotics at the local clinic with Tic-Tacs.

I look at those STD rates and I remember that Eric Erickson was a Macon deacon (at least until his church dissolved).

If only it were literally true that the church, and all other churches, dissolved. I’d pay to see that.

If many people are moving there, it must be a desireable place to live.

Not many people move to Mass, they move FROM it.

I hear that Georgia’s still burnt up over them Massholes burning down their entire state.

BTW, Southerners? The Civil War was won by the United States of America. If you don’t like that, well, we know what you are.

Not many people move to Mass, they move FROM it.

When I left Mississippi I literally stopped and burned rubber across the state line.

It’s kinda strange, the MA/NH relationship.
All kinds of folks from MA vacation in NH, shop for liquor and smokes there, leaf-peep, etc.

And all kinds of folks from NH work in MA.

I think at least a dozen other people have already said it but I gotta say it too. got damn that is a lot of chlamydia.

As far as Mass. and racial tolerance: late eighties Boston Celtics. At least 10 white guys on the roster. (But the coach was black, you say. If I had a point, that would be central to it.)

All kinds of folks from MA vacation in NH, shop for liquor and smokes there, leaf-peep, etc.
And all kinds of folks from NH work in MA.

MA being the home of the original Minutemen, you’d think someone would do something about these border-crossers.

Whoa, folks, let’s not lump all Georgians into one leaky, rat-infested ship, puh-lease! As a teacher, I’ve heard all the stats on education, including the proliferation of STDs, but we fight the good fight every day. Georgia suffers, like most of the South, from serious economic issues that have festered for more than a hundred years. We have made some nice economic growth in the last decade, but Redcock, most of the gain goes to the already wealthy, while we middle-class slobs slide down to join our poorer cousins. And my oldest, dearest friends become more Republican every day! We libs are a minority, BUT we are here (Jimmy Carter Rocks!), so a little less redneck bashing, or Ima gonna put my shotgun in the truck gunrack and come lookin fer ya!

If many people are moving there, it must be a desireable place to live.

Ba-hah! That’s some sound analysis there champ.

Nothing like taking one variable in isolation and trying to build an analysis around that. People may be moving there because they have to due to job losses, foreclosures, and what not. There’s a bunch of cheap real estate in Georgia these days.

Neither of us know what the reason would be in aggregate, but for you to make such a bald claim simply because people are moving there is pretty disingenuous.

The Civil Fucking War? Really? Stereotype much?

I’d give GA the nod for the better weather but now it doesn’t rain there at all, EVAH. That’s not good.

Ooh Oohooh! I gots one!

Basic Energy R&D expenditures per capita:

Massachusetts: $15.57 (#1)
Georgia: $1.06 (#39)

Maybe Georgia will get all holier than thou over Mass’ “high” abortion rate, even though it’s a whole 1 per 1000 higher.

Sure, left-leaning states are better governed and are able to enrich the lives of their citizens with a wide array of useful services. Big fuckin’ deal. States dominated by wingnuts know that what’s really important is to provide much-needed job opportunities in the field of politics to reactionary incompetents and borderline sociopaths. Dozens of subcompetent mouthbreathers who have found gainful employment as legislators here in Texas would be left unsupervised to wander around in traffic in more liberal states.

Whoa, folks, let’s not lump all Georgians into one leaky, rat-infested ship, puh-lease!

Hey, now, Georgia is just being used as an example because Pantload extols its virutes. You’re fighting the good fight, a fight which was won in VA and NC. Keep it up, liberal warrior.

Georgia suffers, like most of the South, from serious economic issues that have festered for more than a hundred years.

The Southern reality- it’s pretty hard to walk forward when one of your feet is firmly planted on someone’s neck.

What? Should I call it the War of Northern Aggression, as the conservatives like to call it?

(playing witcha)

Oh and I forgot the whole “Indian Genocide” thing. So it’s 4 stains.

But Georgia isn’t blameless on that one either.

The Civil Fucking War? Really? Stereotype much?

Meh. It’s probably all that secession talk from certain other southern states that’s bringing that up.

And Jimmy Carter definitely rocks!

Happily, Facebook has provided some useful advice on dealing with RebCob.

What’s the number of drunken red heads per 100,000?

This question needs to be answered, or the terrorists win.

Y’all are havin’ a bit a trouble with yer decimal pernts, ah figger. Some o’ those there statistics’re actually per thousand an’ you’ve got ’em written as per cent. F’rexample, that there infant death rate in MA is really 4.8 per thousand, or 0.48 percent.

But seein’ as how that error is cunsissent fer yer state-to-state comparison, I figger the comparisons’re still valid.

it is true about massachusetts, as a born-and-raised masshole myself, that it is a great place to have been from, but not so great to stay in. although i’m from the western mass hills which while beautiful and far-leftish are also boring and…small. some like the small and i respect that but all of my ambitious friends from the area left. what our diaspora found was that we were a pretty well educated bunch compared to some of our fellow mericans, and we could beat their fucking asses in lacrosse…

of course, we did pass prop 2 1/2, which was like prop 13 in cali only more liberals voted for it. and it fucked us up a bit as well and has to be overridden locally every year, which it pretty much always is.

all of this is central to my absence of point.

I’d give GA the nod for the better weather

Oh HELLS no. The weather was the main reason why we left that steam bath and moved to Mass. Here I can sleep with my windows open almost all summer, which doesn’t last from April to October.

robert,

no shit? Me too. I’m Northampton. Where Big Lesbian rules everything.

with a sensible shoe stepping on our necks forever. and we love every minute of it.

and now, of course, I’m from there. Like you, as I’ve read from you lo these many years, i’m now in LA too. But New England’s steel-fllnted sensibility is calling me back like a very stern siren. The worst kind you can be attracted to. Way too rational.

Brilliant. And goddman funny with all those pokes at Jonah Doughberg.

Tax whiners fail to consider the benefits. We’re seeing the downside of neoconservative lower tax policies in Canuckistan: higher crime rates, deteriorating health care, increasing poverty, homelessness, etc. If Canadians feel less safe and secure now than they ever have, it’s because they are, thanks to conservative idoughology. thinking.

Wicked pissah health care!

Massholes may be in for a mild winter this year. El Nino is baaaaack. Poor California.

I once had to visit the North Hampden Correctional Facility to interview some guy named “Junior” about a car accident he’d allegedly been involved in in Brooklyn. I had to get up at five in the morning to drive to his lawyer’s office in Springfield, then we drove together to the prison.

Junior had been involved in an altercation with another inmate, so he was cuffed. I made him draw a diagram of the accident site while cuffed.

If only it were literally true that the church, and all other churches, dissolved. I’d pay to see that.

I imagine it would look something like this while it was in progress.

What’s the number of drunken red heads per 100,000?
This question needs to be answered, or the terrorists win.

Nothing for it but to do your patriotic duty and become a census worker.

If Canadians feel less safe and secure now than they ever have, it’s because they are, thanks to conservative idoughology. thinking.

This feeds the conservative “tough on crime/war on drugs” issue. Of course, they blame minorities, or single mothers, or liberalism for the problem.

Conservatism’s a reverse Ouroboros, a snake pooping it’s own head.

Wormtown! Woo!

*ahem*

Actually, where I grew up it’s more like small-used-to-be-cow-town-outside-Wormtown-that’s-now-a-Boston-commuter-community. Definitely not a place I’d move back to…

What’s the number of drunken red heads per 100,000?
This question needs to be answered, or the terrorists win.

Nothing for it but to do your patriotic duty and become a census worker.

I would prefer to serve my country in other ways. Move to Boston, dye my hair and stay soused.

I see Massachusetts broke the top 20 in syphilis cases. Theo Epstein really gets around. Zing.

If only it were literally true that the church, and all other churches, dissolved. I’d pay to see that.

I imagine it would look something like this while it was in progress.

Or like this.

I look at those STD rates and I remember that Eric Erickson was a Macon deacon

A little late to this one, but can’t resist:

When Erik’s all-meat diet gives him gas, and proudly lights his farts. So he becomes…

Wait for it…

The Mason-Dixon, Macon Deacon Bacon-Beacon!!!

Thanks. All week, waitresses, veal, etc.

I’m assuming Taxachusetts has a higher per capita of drunken redheads. Isn’t there a fairly high Irish-American population?

Sure, there’s plenty of Scots-Irish in the South, but there’s more honkies in Mass.

So I think the point here is that I need to get some plane tickets.

Golf claps for “idoughology”

There is a lot of graft in MA, unfortunately. A lot of misused tax-based funds (I’m thinking of the Big Dig here). But I’m quite sure Georgia has its share of that too. (& that Republicans in general do more sampling at the trough, since, you know, the govt is the problem, so, hey, give it the contempt it deserves & make a bit on the side: it’s all good!)

fwiw, when I lived in MA, I never once begrudged my taxes, on any level. & I have a hard time understanding the Conservative pov here. It is patriotic to want your country to be in the best shape it can be. & that takes money. & that money does not magically come from tax cuts.

Silly gits.

At the very least Georgia can take pride in one thing – it’s not South Carolina.

Oh, and Coca-Cola. Even if John Pemberton was a coked-out whacko.

Georgia also has a fantastic Delta hub!

Massachusetts leads the country in incidents involving unspeakable, eldritch horrors from beyond the normal boundaries of space and time.

Whatever the future of Governor Palin, it’s a safe bet that her political career will last longer than a great many pundits who make themselves complicit in this disgraceful conduct of American politics and culture.

On to bigger and more spectacular failures! Wheee!

And don’t you love the suggestion that the “stony silence of the media class” will drive the public into Palin’s arms (*ick*). Yep, the same “stupid” public who the same “media” decieved into electing a icky you-know-what as President. The public will rise up in indignation against the media… except when they don’t.

I guess the pastehouse troll is going for quantity now.

I gotz Teh ADHD so’s I dasn’t post none of that thar long stuffs.

Why won’t Palin fuck me? WHY, GOD?!

Yes, but…Ted Kennedy. Also. Do you see now how your argument falls apart, Brad?

At the very least Georgia can take pride in one thing – it’s not South Carolina.

Ain’t that the truth!

the lavish personal life style during hard times

Yeah, as opposed to Bush the Boy King who partied it up in the face of massive disasters like the Boxing Day Tsunami and Hurricane Katrina.

You ever notice how every presidential prerogative becomes “lavish” (i.e. “uppity”) when Obama makes use of it?

Massachusetts leads the country in incidents involving unspeakable, eldritch horrors from beyond the normal boundaries of space and time.

It’s that damnable Miskatonic University.

And when it’s not “lavish”, it’s “tacky” (DVD-gate!!), and when it’s neither of those it’s gotta be some kind of secret conspiracy (Michelle Obama is going to cram her organic produce down your throat!!)

Didn’t I already post that? Bookmark it, libs! You RAPED her!!!
Didn’t I already post that? Bookmark it, libs! You RAPED her!!!
Didn’t I already post that? Bookmark it, libs! You RAPED her!!!
Didn’t I already post that? Bookmark it, libs! You RAPED her!!!
Didn’t I already post that? Bookmark it, libs! You RAPED her!!!

Hey, he posted that one twice!

Can we get some scrolltroll quality control up in this?

It’s that damnable Miskatonic University.

The fightin’ Shub-nigguraths!

Now, now, Troofie is slightly less stupid when we’ve already read whatever plagiarized stupidity he thrusts, scrotum-like, in our faces.

I post articles by servicemen because I’m a fucking pussy myself.

Why I’m Thankful for George W. Bush
By Ken Russell

…and…CUT to hallucinatory penis symbolism.

I’ll try to make this somewhat onT…

Way, way back when, “Banned in Boston” was a common phrase. Um, that’s as much on-topicality I can come up with so here’s the thing:

We are an organization dedicated to the ban or censoring of books that are indecent, immoral, racist, and unfit for society. Sponsored by Christian organizations and concerned groups that promote anti-deformation in literature and entertainment we seek to stop the production of these kind of books in schools, libraries, and retail stores. These kind of books should not be allowed these places especially when they promote godliness, homosexuality, racism, indecency, and immoral behavior. Books that are share these bad qualities should not be under the mask of great works of art. We are not seeking to burn books or rid the world of books, but to censor or the ban the books that are deemed indecent. They should have their place in the world, but in decent society and they kept out of the hands of our children. We seek to let the world know of the books that are immoral and indecent while not letting them be disguised as normal or good reading material especially in our educational institutions where young minds can be morally corrupted by this kind of literature. We are for a better world where literature does not have to be indecent and immoral.

All [sic], I added the emphasis to point out the lexicogrammatical funny.

Oh! There’s a surprise – they hail from Dallas.

And FYWP.

crippling them to the point of near extinction

Well, except for Pakistan.

And Iraq.

And Indonesia.

And Egypt.

And Turkey.

And Saudi Arabia.

And Somalia.

And Yemen.

And Oman.

And Afghansitan.

And Russia.

This song is called Alice’s Restaurant, and it’s about Alice, and the
restaurant, but Alice’s Restaurant is not the name of the restaurant,
that’s just the name of the song, and that’s why I called the song Alice’s
Restaurant.

You can get anything you want at Alice’s Restaurant
You can get anything you want at Alice’s Restaurant
Walk right in it’s around the back
Just a half a mile from the railroad track
You can get anything you want at Alice’s Restaurant

Now it all started two Thanksgivings ago, was on – two years ago on
Thanksgiving, when my friend and I went up to visit Alice at the
restaurant, but Alice doesn’t live in the restaurant, she lives in the
church nearby the restaurant, in the bell-tower, with her husband Ray and
Fasha the dog. And livin’ in the bell tower like that, they got a lot of
room downstairs where the pews used to be in. Havin’ all that room,
seein’ as how they took out all the pews, they decided that they didn’t
have to take out their garbage for a long time.

We got up there, we found all the garbage in there, and we decided it’d be
a friendly gesture for us to take the garbage down to the city dump. So
we took the half a ton of garbage, put it in the back of a red VW
microbus, took shovels and rakes and implements of destruction and headed
on toward the city dump.

Well we got there and there was a big sign and a chain across across the
dump saying, “Closed on Thanksgiving.” And we had never heard of a dump
closed on Thanksgiving before, and with tears in our eyes we drove off
into the sunset looking for another place to put the garbage.

We didn’t find one. Until we came to a side road, and off the side of the
side road there was another fifteen foot cliff and at the bottom of the
cliff there was another pile of garbage. And we decided that one big pile
is better than two little piles, and rather than bring that one up we
decided to throw our’s down.

That’s what we did, and drove back to the church, had a thanksgiving
dinner that couldn’t be beat, went to sleep and didn’t get up until the
next morning, when we got a phone call from officer Obie. He said, “Kid,
we found your name on an envelope at the bottom of a half a ton of
garbage, and just wanted to know if you had any information about it.” And
I said, “Yes, sir, Officer Obie, I cannot tell a lie, I put that envelope
under that garbage.”

After speaking to Obie for about fourty-five minutes on the telephone we
finally arrived at the truth of the matter and said that we had to go down
and pick up the garbage, and also had to go down and speak to him at the
police officer’s station. So we got in the red VW microbus with the
shovels and rakes and implements of destruction and headed on toward the
police officer’s station.

Now friends, there was only one or two things that Obie coulda done at
the police station, and the first was he could have given us a medal for
being so brave and honest on the telephone, which wasn’t very likely, and
we didn’t expect it, and the other thing was he could have bawled us out
and told us never to be see driving garbage around the vicinity again,
which is what we expected, but when we got to the police officer’s station
there was a third possibility that we hadn’t even counted upon, and we was
both immediately arrested. Handcuffed. And I said “Obie, I don’t think I
can pick up the garbage with these handcuffs on.” He said, “Shut up, kid.
Get in the back of the patrol car.”

And that’s what we did, sat in the back of the patrol car and drove to the
quote Scene of the Crime unquote. I want tell you about the town of
Stockbridge, Massachusets, where this happened here, they got three stop
signs, two police officers, and one police car, but when we got to the
Scene of the Crime there was five police officers and three police cars,
being the biggest crime of the last fifty years, and everybody wanted to
get in the newspaper story about it. And they was using up all kinds of
cop equipment that they had hanging around the police officer’s station.
They was taking plaster tire tracks, foot prints, dog smelling prints, and
they took twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy photographs with circles
and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each
one was to be used as evidence against us. Took pictures of the approach,
the getaway, the northwest corner the southwest corner and that’s not to
mention the aerial photography.

After the ordeal, we went back to the jail. Obie said he was going to put
us in the cell. Said, “Kid, I’m going to put you in the cell, I want your
wallet and your belt.” And I said, “Obie, I can understand you wanting my
wallet so I don’t have any money to spend in the cell, but what do you
want my belt for?” And he said, “Kid, we don’t want any hangings.” I
said, “Obie, did you think I was going to hang myself for littering?”
Obie said he was making sure, and friends Obie was, cause he took out the
toilet seat so I couldn’t hit myself over the head and drown, and he took
out the toilet paper so I couldn’t bend the bars roll out the – roll the
toilet paper out the window, slide down the roll and have an escape. Obie
was making sure, and it was about four or five hours later that Alice
(remember Alice? It’s a song about Alice), Alice came by and with a few
nasty words to Obie on the side, bailed us out of jail, and we went back
to the church, had a another thanksgiving dinner that couldn’t be beat,
and didn’t get up until the next morning, when we all had to go to court.

We walked in, sat down, Obie came in with the twenty seven eight-by-ten
colour glossy pictures with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back
of each one, sat down. Man came in said, “All rise.” We all stood up,
and Obie stood up with the twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy
pictures, and the judge walked in sat down with a seeing eye dog, and he
sat down, we sat down. Obie looked at the seeing eye dog, and then at the
twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy pictures with circles and arrows
and a paragraph on the back of each one, and looked at the seeing eye dog.
And then at twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy pictures with circles
and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one and began to cry,
’cause Obie came to the realization that it was a typical case of American
blind justice, and there wasn’t nothing he could do about it, and the
judge wasn’t going to look at the twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy
pictures with the circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each
one explaining what each one was to be used as evidence against us. And
we was fined $50 and had to pick up the garbage in the snow, but thats not
what I came to tell you about.

Came to talk about the draft.

They got a building down New York City, it’s called Whitehall Street,
where you walk in, you get injected, inspected, detected, infected,
neglected and selected. I went down to get my physical examination one
day, and I walked in, I sat down, got good and drunk the night before, so
I looked and felt my best when I went in that morning. `Cause I wanted to
look like the all-American kid from New York City, man I wanted, I wanted
to feel like the all-, I wanted to be the all American kid from New York,
and I walked in, sat down, I was hung down, brung down, hung up, and all
kinds o’ mean nasty ugly things. And I waked in and sat down and they gave
me a piece of paper, said, “Kid, see the phsychiatrist, room 604.”

And I went up there, I said, “Shrink, I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I
wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and
guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill,
KILL, KILL.” And I started jumpin up and down yelling, “KILL, KILL,” and
he started jumpin up and down with me and we was both jumping up and down
yelling, “KILL, KILL.” And the sargent came over, pinned a medal on me,
sent me down the hall, said, “You’re our boy.”

Didn’t feel too good about it.

Proceeded on down the hall gettin more injections, inspections,
detections, neglections and all kinds of stuff that they was doin’ to me
at the thing there, and I was there for two hours, three hours, four
hours, I was there for a long time going through all kinds of mean nasty
ugly things and I was just having a tough time there, and they was
inspecting, injecting every single part of me, and they was leaving no
part untouched. Proceeded through, and when I finally came to the see the
last man, I walked in, walked in sat down after a whole big thing there,
and I walked up and said, “What do you want?” He said, “Kid, we only got
one question. Have you ever been arrested?”

And I proceeded to tell him the story of the Alice’s Restaurant Massacre,
with full orchestration and five part harmony and stuff like that and all
the phenome… – and he stopped me right there and said, “Kid, did you ever
go to court?”

And I proceeded to tell him the story of the twenty seven eight-by-ten
colour glossy pictures with the circles and arrows and the paragraph on
the back of each one, and he stopped me right there and said, “Kid, I want
you to go and sit down on that bench that says Group W …. NOW kid!!”

And I, I walked over to the, to the bench there, and there is, Group W’s
where they put you if you may not be moral enough to join the army after
committing your special crime, and there was all kinds of mean nasty ugly
looking people on the bench there. Mother rapers. Father stabbers. Father
rapers! Father rapers sitting right there on the bench next to me! And
they was mean and nasty and ugly and horrible crime-type guys sitting on the
bench next to me. And the meanest, ugliest, nastiest one, the meanest
father raper of them all, was coming over to me and he was mean ‘n’ ugly
‘n’ nasty ‘n’ horrible and all kind of things and he sat down next to me
and said, “Kid, whad’ya get?” I said, “I didn’t get nothing, I had to pay
$50 and pick up the garbage.” He said, “What were you arrested for, kid?”
And I said, “Littering.” And they all moved away from me on the bench
there, and the hairy eyeball and all kinds of mean nasty things, till I
said, “And creating a nuisance.” And they all came back, shook my hand,
and we had a great time on the bench, talkin about crime, mother stabbing,
father raping, all kinds of groovy things that we was talking about on the
bench. And everything was fine, we was smoking cigarettes and all kinds of
things, until the Sargeant came over, had some paper in his hand, held it
up and said.

“Kids, this-piece-of-paper’s-got-47-words-37-sentences-58-words-we-wanna-
know-details-of-the-crime-time-of-the-crime-and-any-other-kind-of-thing-
you-gotta-say-pertaining-to-and-about-the-crime-I-want-to-know-arresting-
officer’s-name-and-any-other-kind-of-thing-you-gotta-say”, and talked for
forty-five minutes and nobody understood a word that he said, but we had
fun filling out the forms and playing with the pencils on the bench there,
and I filled out the massacre with the four part harmony, and wrote it
down there, just like it was, and everything was fine and I put down the
pencil, and I turned over the piece of paper, and there, there on the
other side, in the middle of the other side, away from everything else on
the other side, in parentheses, capital letters, quotated, read the
following words:

(“KID, HAVE YOU REHABILITATED YOURSELF?”)

I went over to the sargent, said, “Sargeant, you got a lot a damn gall to
ask me if I’ve rehabilitated myself, I mean, I mean, I mean that just, I’m
sittin’ here on the bench, I mean I’m sittin here on the Group W bench
’cause you want to know if I’m moral enough join the army, burn women,
kids, houses and villages after bein’ a litterbug.” He looked at me and
said, “Kid, we don’t like your kind, and we’re gonna send you fingerprints
off to Washington.”

And friends, somewhere in Washington enshrined in some little folder, is a
study in black and white of my fingerprints. And the only reason I’m
singing you this song now is cause you may know somebody in a similar
situation, or you may be in a similar situation, and if your in a
situation like that there’s only one thing you can do and that’s walk into
the shrink wherever you are ,just walk in say “Shrink, You can get
anything you want, at Alice’s restaurant.”. And walk out. You know, if
one person, just one person does it they may think he’s really sick and
they won’t take him. And if two people, two people do it, in harmony,
they may think they’re both faggots and they won’t take either of them.
And three people do it, three, can you imagine, three people walking in
singin a bar of Alice’s Restaurant and walking out. They may think it’s an
organization. And can you, can you imagine fifty people a day,I said
fifty people a day walking in singin a bar of Alice’s Restaurant and
walking out. And friends they may thinks it’s a movement.

And that’s what it is , the Alice’s Restaurant Anti-Massacre Movement, and
all you got to do to join is sing it the next time it come’s around on the
guitar.

With feeling. So we’ll wait for it to come around on the guitar, here and
sing it when it does. Here it comes.

You can get anything you want, at Alice’s Restaurant
You can get anything you want, at Alice’s Restaurant
Walk right in it’s around the back
Just a half a mile from the railroad track
You can get anything you want, at Alice’s Restaurant

That was horrible. If you want to end war and stuff you got to sing loud.
I’ve been singing this song now for twenty five minutes. I could sing it
for another twenty five minutes. I’m not proud… or tired.

So we’ll wait till it comes around again, and this time with four part
harmony and feeling.

We’re just waitin’ for it to come around is what we’re doing.

All right now.

You can get anything you want, at Alice’s Restaurant
Excepting Alice
You can get anything you want, at Alice’s Restaurant
Walk right in it’s around the back
Just a half a mile from the railroad track
You can get anything you want, at Alice’s Restaurant

Why I’m Thankful for George W. Bush
By Ken Russell

Well, Bush was one of the bigger boobs ever to waste space in the White House.

Again, I post twice in the same half-hour, and I get the “whoa, slow down there, pardner” screen from FYWP, but scroll-pants here posts stuf way-hay-hay faster than his mommy can read to him. WTF?

Backstory request: DVD-gate? Qua?

It’s like he’s not even trying anymore, just immediately jumps to the cut and paste.

Hey, PeeJ, I know it’s summer, but haven’t you done ANY cooking lately?

Last night, I made ziti with sweet Italian sausages and escarole, seasoned with plenty of garlic and a hit of hot cherry peppers.

Bush at 30%? Poll numbers mean nothing, libs! It’s just a way to make our President look bad! He’s still popular. Really!

Up yours, nigger!

The first period occurred roughly from 1940 to 1975 at which time many scientists were concerned about the prospects of an impending ice-age. The June 24, 1974 TIME Magazine cover read – The Cooling of America.

EEEHHHHHNNNNT, but thank you for playing. Carol Merril has some lovely consolation prizes for you behind the curtain.

…and coming up empty.

Undress Jeff Probst, libs!

The Blart Amendment said,

July 10, 2009 at 0:21

Some serious STD action down in Georgia. WTF?

Darþ Revan said,

July 10, 2009 at 0:23

I’m guessing it’s the lack of decent sex education, combined with the lack of decent education in general.

Having attended a major semi-Southern school and observed some specimens up close, I’d have to add the increased cattle population to that guess.

Why, look! Gangsta rappers talking tough!

Why that PROVES Obama… um… something… or other…

SotomayOR! Lead! Teleprompter! Flibberty-floo!

And FYWP

Amen. I get the “posting too fast” and scroll-troll’s still out there burning up the track.

There’s a lot of [sic{k}] in that quote too: These kind of books should not be allowed these places especially when they promote godliness, homosexuality, racism, indecency, and immoral behavior.

Yep, gotta protect the young ‘uns from homosexuality and godliness–way to stay on message.

I haven’t fucked much with the past, but I’ve fucked plenty with the future.
Over the skin of silk are scars from the splinters of stations and walls I’ve caressed.
A stage is like each bolt of wood, like a log of Helen, is my pleasure.
I would measure the success of a night by the way by the way by the amount of piss and seed I could exude over the columns that
nestled the P.A.
Some nights I’d surprise everybody by skipping off with a skirt of green net sewed over with flat metallic circles which dazzled and
flashed.
The lights were violet and white. I had an ornamental veil, but I couldn’t bear to use it.
When my hair was cropped, I craved covering, but now my hair itself is a veil, and the scalp inside is a scalp of a crazy and sleepy
Comanche lies beneath this netting of the skin.
I wake up. I am lying peacefully I am lying peacefully and my knees are open to the sun.
I desire him, and he is absolutely ready to seize me. In heart I am a Moslem; in heart I am an American;
In heart I am Moslem, in heart I’m an American artist, and I have no guilt.
I seek pleasure. I seek the nerves under your skin.
The narrow archway; the layers; the scroll of ancient lettuce.
We worship the flaw, the belly, the belly, the mole on the belly of an exquisite whore.
He spared the child and spoiled the rod. I have not sold myself to God.

Baby was a black sheep. Baby was a whore.
Baby got big and baby get bigger.
Baby get something. Baby get more.
Baby, baby, baby was a rock-and-roll nigger.
Oh, look around you, all around you,
riding on a copper wave.
Do you like the world around you?
Are you ready to behave?

Outside of society, they’re waitin’ for me.
Outside of society, that’s where I want to be.

(Lenny!)

Baby was a black sheep. Baby was a whore.
You know she got big. Well, she’s gonna get bigger.
Baby got a hand; got a finger on the trigger.
Baby, baby, baby is a rock-and-roll nigger.

Outside of society, that’s where I want to be.
Outside of society, they’re waitin’ for me.

(those who have suffered, understand suffering,
and thereby extend their hand
the storm that brings harm
also makes fertile
blessed is the grass
and herb and the true thorn and light)

I was lost in a valley of pleasure.
I was lost in the infinite sea.
I was lost, and measure for measure,
love spewed from the heart of me.
I was lost, and the cost,
and the cost didn’t matter to me.
I was lost, and the cost
was to be outside society.

Jimi Hendrix was a nigger.
Jesus Christ and Grandma, too.
Jackson Pollock was a nigger.
Nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger,
nigger, nigger, nigger.

Outside of society, they’re waitin’ for me.
Outside of society, if you’re looking,
that’s where you’ll find me.
Outside of society, they’re waitin’ for me.
Outside of society.

Transition to Black Rule?
More news stories on Barack Obama

Jared Taylor, Special to AR News, November 14, 2008

The presidential election of 2008 brings to mind another vote that took place 16 years ago in South Africa: the referendum in which whites voted to turn power over to blacks. Though it has long been overshadowed by the 1994 general elections that brought the African National Congress (ANC) to power, it was the referendum of March 17, 1992, that ended white rule.

By 1992, President F. W. de Klerk and his National Party government had repealed all the major apartheid laws. The ANC had been unbanned, and Mr. de Klerk had started discussions with Mr. Mandela on a new constitution that would enfranchise blacks and “share power.”

Andries Treurnicht and his Conservative party led the opposition to these negotiations, saying the president had no authority to negotiate a new constitution. Mr. de Klerk decided to put the question to the people. If he won the referendum, he would push on to a new constitution; if he lost, he would resign and call a general election.

The referendum asked the following question: “Do you support continuation of the reform process which the State President began on February 2, 1990, and which is aimed at a new constitution through negotiation?” (It was on February 2, 1990, that Mr. de Klerk announced the unbanning of the ANC and the release of Mr. Mandela from prison.)

The National Party—the traditional party of the Afrikaners—mounted a massive campaign for a “yes” vote, warning that a “no” would mean more international sanctions and black violence. One of its campaign posters was of an armed member of the Afrikaner Resistance Movement—a militant white organization—with the slogan, “You can stop this man! Vote YES.” In other words, the real menace for South Africa was a white man with a gun.

The Conservative Party, which campaigned for a “no” vote, warned that “power sharing” was just another name for black rule, and that whites had the right and the duty to govern themselves.

How did the people of the Great Trek, the Battle of Blood River, and the Boer War vote? They feared international isolation more than they feared black rule; whites voted 68 to 31 percent for “continuation of the reform process.” Nor was this a decision forced upon Afrikaners by white English-speakers. Though some militant groups boycotted the referendum, all election analysts agree that a majority of Afrikaners voted “yes,” and some even believe there was more support among Afrikaners than British South Africans. Whites therefore had the chance to keep their country, but gave it away. That vote ensured the ANC victory of 1994 and everything that has followed.

American whites are not quite as eager as the South Africans were. In the November 4 election, only 43 percent voted for black rule—pardon me, for Barack Obama. Fifty-five percent of whites wanted John McCain to be their president but it was blacks and Hispanics who got the president they wanted, not whites. Every year, as the number of non-whites increases, whites will have less say about who rules them.

Entirely aside from politics or questions of competence or experience, the election of a president most whites did not want is a jarring symbol of lost autonomy. If their numbers continue to decline, whites will not get the schools, the neighborhoods, the culture—and ultimately, the country—they want.

Perhaps it is because whites have brought diminished status upon themselves that we are expected to take pride in it rather than fight to reverse it. As Paul Krugman explained helpfully in the New York Times, “If the election of our first African-American president didn’t stir you, if it didn’t leave you teary-eyed and proud of your country, there’s something wrong with you.” This means there is something wrong with at least 55 percent of whites, but that has been the Times’s position for years.

Mr. Krugman’s joy in Mr. Obama’s victory is shared by whites all around the world. “We have great hopes that we are standing at the dawn of a new era,” wrote the Norwegian daily Aftenposten. “One Giant Step for Mankind” read the front page of England’s Sun newspaper. A headline on the London Telegraph website declared: “Barack Obama Victory Allows Britain to Love US Again.” The Times modestly headlined its election story, “The New World.” Prime Minister Stephen Harper of Canada spoke of Mr. Obama’s “tremendous, historic” victory, and the Toronto Sun called it “an historic milestone like no other.” Le Monde in Paris noted that “from Left to Right, [French] politicians have been competing for superlatives with which to praise the election of Barack Obama.” Milan’s Corriere della Sera wrote that Mr. Obama was “the man who can save America from utter breakdown.”

This chorus of rejoicing has eerie parallels to how the world’s whites welcomed black rule in South Africa. In 1993, Mr. Mandela and Mr. de Klerk shared the Nobel Peace Prize for their new, “power-sharing” constitution. Mary McGrory of the Washington Post gushed only slightly more than most when she wrote in her May 12, 1994 column that “Nelson Mandela has won what the [Washington] Post calls ‘one of history’s sweetest victories over racial subjugation’ and he is going to keep it clean and beautiful so that newspaper readers will think they are reading scripture when they read dispatches from South Africa that cannot be read except through tears.”

Fourteen years later—just 14 years later—does anyone have second thoughts? Under white rule, South Africa was climbing steadily in the UN’s Human Development Index. It reversed course the first year of black rule and has dropped ever since. South Africa can no longer keep accurate crime statistics, but it is unquestionably one of the most dangerous places on earth. Anyone who can afford to lives in a private fortress, and carjacking is so common it is considered foolish to stop at a red light after dark. Amazon.com limits shipping to South Africa because postal workers steal so many packages. Interpol reports that South Africa has the highest rape rate in the world—and the highest AIDS rate. About one-fifth of South African men admit they have raped a woman, and an estimated 35 percent of the armed forces have AIDS. Race preferences for blacks are so ruthless that approximately 50 percent of white men are self-employed and nearly a million whites have emigrated, most citing crime and race preferences.

Surely, not even Mary McGrory would think this sounds like the Book of Matthew. And how about Mr. de Klerk? Would he not give up a hundred Nobel Peace Prizes for a country in which his grandchildren could be safe and proud?

Of course, our election is different from the South African referendum but the effect is the same: Whites are placing their destinies in the hands of others. The South Africans did it suddenly; we are doing it gradually.

Let us hope whites all over the world save their newspapers from November 5, 2008, with their extravagant headlines and dizzy hopes. Let them reread them 10 or 15 years from now—and let them think of South Africa.

Backstory request: DVD-gate? Qua?

Early this year, Obama gave Gordon Brown a gift of a set of 25 region-locked DVDs, which according to wingnuts was tantamount to pushing the Queen into a puddle of mud.

Troofie, will you ever stop hiding behind shitty American Clunker pieces and explain the significance of “Fuck you all, I’m done”? Or the fake Michael Moore quote? Or “Here is how it will go down next week. First, the results from Virginia and North Carolina will come in, and they’ll be declared for McCain. You’ll be disappointed, but “no big deal, change can’t come overnight” will be your comment. Florida will go red, and a little nervousness will creep in. The usual suspects will fall into the usual categories. As the night drags on, Ohio, Colorado, and (much to your horror) Pennsylvania will be too close to call. My advice at this point to you will be to go to bed. You will wake up to a McCain presidency and the Great Liberal Freakout will be on. Bookmark this, liberals, as this is exactly how it is going to go down. You will be wonder how the hell I was able to call this.”

Mods, please ban this fuck-knuckle.

I said it!

Oh, and Jay Nordlinger unironically called it “DVD-gate” recently, so DVD-gate it is.

Early this year, Obama gave Gordon Brown a gift of a set of 25 region-locked DVDs, which according to wingnuts was tantamount to pushing the Queen into a puddle of mud.

I would say you’re shitting me, but I see from the article above that the wingnuts have indeed gone off the edge. “Transition to Black Rule”. OH LAWDY LAWDY THE NIGRAS GONE RUN D’ COUNTRY WE IS DOOMED

*sigh*

WEN U DISEMVOWL ME IZ LIKE JESUS

I know I’ve posted this before, but I cannot post it enough-

GA is way ahead of MA when it comes to sex with mules.

“Have you gone berserk? Can’t you see that man is a ni?”

Troofus McDoofus would be a millionaire if not for affirmative action holding his inner genius down.

A millionaire with a hot stripper wife. You are a great American, True Life Comix.

Troofus McDoofus would be a millionaire if not for affirmative action holding his inner genius down.

The liberals crammed affirmative action down his inner genius’ throat. Also.

Troofus McDoofus would be a millionaire if not for affirmative action holding his inner genius down.

And you don’t wanna know what of his gay marriage has been holding down!

I live in Chicago and we’re going to get the Barack Olympics, bitches.

You’re going to get a lot more than that, my friend. You’re going to get a royal screwing.

Every Olympics in recent memory has gone over budget, sometimes triple or more, and has had to be bailed out by the taxpayers. Plus, all those white elephant stadiums have to be cleaned and maintained until they can be sold. Guess who ends up footing the bill? The same Chicago taxpayers who have to carry bankrolls of quarters around in their cars because Boss Daley sold the parking meters to a bunch of thieving mercenaries.

Daley recently promised the IOC that Chicago taxpayers would cover any losses, then furiously tried to backpedal when confronted by Chicago media. But you just know Chicago’s taxpayers are in for a screwing.

STILL getting your book reports off the internet, I see.

How soon before we see a stirring book review of “The TUrner Diaries” by scroll-troll Troofie?

As soon as my pimp loans me his copy.

Wait, that “save the Whites” book was written by a French person! It’s tainted with Frenchosity! Unclean! Unclean!

Sorry, had to.

Wilbur Whateley said,

July 10, 2009 at 2:00

Massachusetts leads the country in incidents involving unspeakable, eldritch horrors from beyond the normal boundaries of space and time.

You say that as though it’s a bad thing.

Whatever the future of Governor Palin, it’s a safe bet that her political career will last longer than a great many pundits who make themselves complicit in this disgraceful conduct of American politics and culture.

She does have a great future in the Urban Dictionary. Four pages worth.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=palin

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pull+a+palin

it’s a safe bet that her political career will last longer than a great many pundits who make themselves complicit in this disgraceful conduct of American politics and culture.

I don’t think so. Those fuckers never get fired.

The liberals crammed affirmative action down his inner genius’ throat. Also.

In his dreams. Then he changes the sheets.

I’ve got a question about trolls. Not FOR the trolls, because anyone who expects a straight answer from troll is probably still waiting for a grammatical sentence from Sarah Palin. But for the regulars here.

The questions–in all seriousness–is, WHY?

In all earnestness, what is it that makes a person dedicate so much time and energy to what must be a bitter, futile exercise?

Is it some sense or evangelical zeal that makes a man spend literally hundreds of hours, posting, thinking that maybe, just maybe, he is going to convert someone? I really doubt it. There is no sense of traditional missionary Socratic engagement, no attempt to persuade on an intellectual or emotional level. The tone is always bitter, combative, mocking, derisive, dismissive–not an approach that shows any serious attempt to persuade on any level.

Is it really just an empty, bitter lashing out at those you disagree with? For the most part, trolls (and I do think, all “Troofy” labels aside, that this site is infested with not just one, but more like 6,8 or a dozen such creatures) do not bother to provide any kind of topical rejoinders or counterpoint to the original thread topic. They always burst in, either with some personal axe to grind, or else paste these ridiculous essays, with no real hope of dabating, much less persuading anyone.

What kind of bitter, twisted wreckage of a human being finds this to be a satisfying experience?

What kind of bitter, twisted wreckage of a human being finds this to be a satisfying experience?

I think you just answered your own question.

@ Why I’m Thankful for George W. Bush
By Ken Russell

As a former Marine with the scars to prove it, I honor your service with the deepest sincerity. As a human being with the brains my god (who doesn’t need an upper-case “g” to be the baddest hallucination around) gave me, I believe you are dumber than a bag of hammers with the handles missing. This badly written paranoiac melodrama with its recurrent whimpering theme of “if only they’d let us throw out those restricting laws and rules and stuff we’d have shown them behind our draft-dodging pet Bobo” reflects badly on the military, both its leadership and rank and file. Year by year I grow prouder of my own service and also prouder that I have left the company of craven lemmings like yourself that refuse to admit that the world is somewhat larger than you are (by no means all the military, just the ones I was stuck with). Just an FYI: When a commanding officer says that the plan is that “We will close with and engage the enemy at a time and place of our choosing,” it means that he/she has no fucking idea what to do, and that he/she intends to sacrifice as many troops as necessary to cover that up. Your physical exam proves you have opposable thumbs, man – pick up a clue!

And yes, I know Ken Russell did not really write this, and no one cares about my opinion, but I can only plead the “Alien” defense; it came out of me before I could stop it.

End of the humorless rant, now on with the show!

WTH!!! I went to pick up my Mongolian beef, and I come back to some inflamed hemorrhoid cutting and pasting nonsense. I was ready to defend my state, but what the heck. GA can really suck, and not in the good mouth around my throbbing member way. And Chthulhu isn’t visiting GA ’cause he doesn’t want to catch any of our STDs.

If I were alive today, I would TOTALLY be ranting about the rising tide of spics. Damn, these guys know me SO well.

Snorghagen said,
If only it were literally true that the church, and all other churches, dissolved. I’d pay to see that.
I imagine it would look something like this while it was in progress.
Or like this.

I seem to recall some previous Snorghagen-related Betsinski links.

Why I’m Thankful for George W. Bush
By Ken Russell

In the tradition of “Why I want to fuck Ronald Reagan”, by J. G. Ballard.

Answer: Like this.

Here is how it will go down next week. First, the results from Virginia and North Carolina will come in, and they’ll be declared for McCain. You’ll be disappointed, but “no big deal, change can’t come overnight” will be your comment. Florida will go red, and a little nervousness will creep in. The usual suspects will fall into the usual categories. As the night drags on, Ohio, Colorado, and (much to your horror) Pennsylvania will be too close to call.

My advice at this point to you will be to go to bed. You will wake up to a McCain presidency and the Great Liberal Freakout will be on.

Bookmark this, liberals, as this is exactly how it is going to go down. You will be wonder how the hell I was able to call this.

Here is how it will go down next week. First, the results from Virginia and North Carolina will come in, and they’ll be declared for McCain. You’ll be disappointed, but “no big deal, change can’t come overnight” will be your comment. Florida will go red, and a little nervousness will creep in. The usual suspects will fall into the usual categories. As the night drags on, Ohio, Colorado, and (much to your horror) Pennsylvania will be too close to call.

My advice at this point to you will be to go to bed. You will wake up to a McCain presidency and the Great Liberal Freakout will be on.

Bookmark this, liberals, as this is exactly how it is going to go down. You will be wonder how the hell I was able to call this.

Here is how it will go down next week. First, the results from Virginia and North Carolina will come in, and they’ll be declared for McCain. You’ll be disappointed, but “no big deal, change can’t come overnight” will be your comment. Florida will go red, and a little nervousness will creep in. The usual suspects will fall into the usual categories. As the night drags on, Ohio, Colorado, and (much to your horror) Pennsylvania will be too close to call.

My advice at this point to you will be to go to bed. You will wake up to a McCain presidency and the Great Liberal Freakout will be on.

Bookmark this, liberals, as this is exactly how it is going to go down. You will be wonder how the hell I was able to call this.

Here is how it will go down next week. First, the results from Virginia and North Carolina will come in, and they’ll be declared for McCain. You’ll be disappointed, but “no big deal, change can’t come overnight” will be your comment. Florida will go red, and a little nervousness will creep in. The usual suspects will fall into the usual categories. As the night drags on, Ohio, Colorado, and (much to your horror) Pennsylvania will be too close to call.

My advice at this point to you will be to go to bed. You will wake up to a McCain presidency and the Great Liberal Freakout will be on.

Bookmark this, liberals, as this is exactly how it is going to go down. You will be wonder how the hell I was able to call this.

Here is how it will go down next week. First, the results from Virginia and North Carolina will come in, and they’ll be declared for McCain. You’ll be disappointed, but “no big deal, change can’t come overnight” will be your comment. Florida will go red, and a little nervousness will creep in. The usual suspects will fall into the usual categories. As the night drags on, Ohio, Colorado, and (much to your horror) Pennsylvania will be too close to call.

My advice at this point to you will be to go to bed. You will wake up to a McCain presidency and the Great Liberal Freakout will be on.

Bookmark this, liberals, as this is exactly how it is going to go down. You will be wonder how the hell I was able to call this.

One point I need to make about home sweet home. During my youth, GA was a democratic stronghold, BUT these were mostly good ol’ boys, who began changing their party affiliations, to take part in Newt’s revolution or to keep getting votes as the majority of Georgians began voting R. But R or D behind the name makes no difference. They have always played to the Bible-thumpers and lined each other’s pockets.

My hardon is GETTING LOUDER! IT HUNGERS!!!!!!!!!

I’m not a minority! My country is 100% humans.

Nearly.

A SHRINKING MINORITY

It’s just the cold water I tell you.

I want to see leggo visualization guy with the clap.

One troll the other day was perplexed at the ongoing “Address My Post, Libs!” They wanted to know what was so funny about this phrase, that the regulars here would riff on it so persistently. He genuinely did not understand why we would mock this demand so mercilessly.

One of the best things about Sadly, no!, and what has endeared it to me, is its open-posting policy. Certainly no wingnut site would tolerate the kind of trollery that happens here, and even most progressive boards require a registration process and moderator review. I know some posters here enjoy occasionally trolling RedState or Free Republic, just to see how long before their posts are deleted, and how long it takes to get banned altogether (usually not long); but no one here, I think, has the same level of strident demand for attention, nor spends all that much time trolling.

It’s a kind of intellectual masturbation, really–fun it its place, if you’re into that sort of thing, but it gets boring pretty fast. Anyone who spends hour after hour, day after day doing nothing but trying to irritate people who disagree with you–like excessive, compulsive self-abuse, is, frankly, pathological. And to troll so agressively, constantly demanding engagement, is like jerking off in public–leering at passers-by and demanding that they watch.

Jesus Christ on a Gawd Damn Motherfucking Crutch, ban this shitheel once & for all, already, I say, jumping aboard Xecky’s band-wagon.

The pasting of idiocy like this really should be the last straw(man).

Think of the carbon footprint, the waste of electrons, the damage to brain cells!

HOW CAN YOU JUST SIT BY AND LET YOURSELF BECOME A SHRINKING MINORITY IN YOUR OWN COUNTRY!?

On my ass?

Let the “LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLlllllllllllllllllll”-ing begin.

The Gaelic hordes, like veritable ever-breeding locusts, shall devour our great white nation!
Aw, hell, if we’re talking about Massachusetts, that’s Troofie today.

Black population:

Georgia: 27%

Massachusetts: 5.5%

The reason is obvious.

http://www.statemaster.com/graph/peo_tot_bla_pop_percap-total-black-population-per-capita

Go into a 100% Mexican area at night and see how much they care about your love for “diversity”.

OK, but I don’t think they’re gonna understand that in Puerto Vallarta.

Hee hee….calling myself “politically incorrect” TERRIFIES them. Shut up! It does.

Think of the carbon footprint, the waste of electrons, the damage to brain cells!

The costing the Net hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars!

Here is how it will go down next week. First, the results from Virginia and North Carolina will come in, and they’ll be declared for McCain. You’ll be disappointed, but “no big deal, change can’t come overnight” will be your comment. Florida will go red, and a little nervousness will creep in. The usual suspects will fall into the usual categories. As the night drags on, Ohio, Colorado, and (much to your horror) Pennsylvania will be too close to call.

My advice at this point to you will be to go to bed. You will wake up to a McCain presidency and the Great Liberal Freakout will be on.

Bookmark this, liberals, as this is exactly how it is going to go down. You will be wonder how the hell I was able to call this.

Obama’s “Civil Rights” Vision: Quotas, Increased Crime, More Socialism

By Steve Sailer

Where does Barack Obama really stand on racial issues? Is he the post-racial bipartisan conciliator of his campaign image, or is he the black racial activist depicted in his autobiography?

On this issue, for once, Obama’s stance is quite clear.

Acolytes in the Obama Cult are taught that, when proselytizing over the phone for new converts, they should not answer direct questions about what Obama stands for, other than “hope” and “change,” but instead should tell the inquirer to go look up the candidate’s policy positions on BarackObama.com.

So let’s look carefully at Obama’s “Civil Rights” webpage.

(In case you are wondering, all three surviving candidates’ websites have an “Issues” page, but only Obama’s has a “Civil Rights” subpage. In contrast, on Hillary’s website, one of the “Issues” sections is entitled “A Champion for Women,” but none of the “issues” she chooses to feature is specifically devoted to race. And McCain’s website doesn’t give civil rights prominent play.)

Obama’s Civil Rights page also links to a more explicit “Plan” handed out by Obama’s team when the Senator spoke at black Howard University in 2007.

Here are excerpts (in italics) from these two civil rights documents on the official Obama website:

“Barack Obama’s Record

“Record of Advocacy: Obama has worked to promote civil rights and fairness in the criminal justice system throughout his career. As a community organizer, Obama helped 150,000 African Americans register to vote.”

Notice that the document doesn’t say “150,000 American citizens.” It says, “150,000 African Americans.” That’s not a typo or an oversight. Obama got into the voter registration business not out of some general commitment to democracy but to boost the political muscle of blacks.

“As a civil rights lawyer, Obama litigated employment discrimination, housing discrimination, and voting rights cases.”

Obama likes to brag that, as president of the Harvard Law Review, he could have taken any high paying legal job in the country, but that he chose a lower paying job as a civil rights lawyer.

Swell. But keep in mind that the more the Obama Administration tries to carry out Obama’s personal passion for crushing residual examples of discrimination against blacks, the more false positive errors it will make and unjustly accuse whites.

In statistics, that’s called the Type I Error vs. Type II Error tradeoff.

As I wrote in VDARE in 2003, the unfortunate reality is that racial quotas are the inevitable by-products of our anti-discrimination laws. These laws place the burden of proof on the employer to justify any deviation from equal outcomes in hiring and promotions. Lawsuits can be won. But the cost can be so crushing that most firms will do just about anything to stay out of court. So they use quotas.

Lots of pundits don’t understand this logic. But Obama is a very smart guy. He gets it. That he chose to sacrifice income in order to, in effect, push for more quotas for legally protected minorities is not something that I, as a legally non-protected non-minority, find reassuring.

“As a State Senator, Obama passed one of the country’s first racial profiling laws.”

He cracked down on the police using racial profiling—great! As I wrote in VDARE.COM in 2003, despite the War On Crime, there are still roughly five 9-11’s worth of Americans murdered each year. And that could easily go back up if the cops are constrained.

Simply put, the police can use either of two alternative strategies:

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They can sit around eating donuts and wait for bad guys to commit crimes.

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Or they can get in the face of potential bad guys and prevent crimes.

To do the latter, though, they have to use the brains God gave them to figure out who is more likely to cause trouble.

And that’s when they get blamed for profiling.

Obama’s website goes on:

“…and helped reform a broken death penalty system.”

To give credit where it’s due: Obama’s leadership on getting police interrogations in Illinois videotaped was an excellent piece of good government work to clean up a horrific situation where cops were torturing suspects.

On the other hand, would Obama have invested so much effort in this worthy reform if it didn’t primarily benefit blacks?

For example, has he crusaded to cut down on prison rape? I can’t find evidence on Google of him paying much attention to the issue.

At first glance, prison rape might seem like a violation of civil rights. Yet you’re forgetting that the words “civil rights” are used solely in a “Who? Whom?” sense these days. If whites are violating the rights of blacks, that is a civil rights issue. If blacks are violating (literally) whites, as typically happens in cases of prison rape, well, that’s not a civil rights issue. That’s just something the cool cops on TV shows make jokes about when arresting the Great White Defendant.

“And in the U.S. Senate, Obama has been a leading advocate for protecting the right to vote, helping to reauthorize the Voting Rights Act and leading the opposition against discriminatory barriers to voting.”

The “discriminatory barriers to voting” that Obama’s against are photo-ID laws that would keep urban political machines (like, oh, say, Mayor Daley’s Cook County machine that helped him win big in this year’s Illinois primary) from cheating and would keep illegal immigrants from voting

I believe that the original 1965 Voting Rights Act was necessary and hugely successful. But subsequent reauthorizations have featured a cynical bargain between Republicans and minority politicians to corral black and Hispanic voters in gerrymandered “majority-minority” districts. This guarantees black and Hispanic politicians a lot of seats in state legislatures and the House of Representatives. But it’s also a major reason why blacks more authentically African American than the preppie from paradise have had so much trouble moving up to statewide office. They have to start their careers out as “race men” to get elected. But unlike the preternaturally politically gifted Obama, however, most of them aren’t talented enough to backtrack rhetorically later and win the votes of whites in races for Senator or President.

Let’s read through the rest of Obama’s “Civil Rights” policy platform:

“The Problem

“Pay Inequity Continues: For every $1.00 earned by a man, the average woman receives only 77 cents, while African American women only get 67 cents and Latinas receive only 57 cents.”

Is this a civil rights problem or a human capital problem? That sounds academic, but the distinction is crucial. Calling it a civil rights inequity automatically suggests a particular solution: even more quotas.

“Hate Crimes on the Rise: The number of hate crimes increased nearly 8 percent to 7,700 incidents in 2006.”

Obama’s speech deploring the prosecution of the six black football players in Jena, LA who stomped a white youth unconscious suggests that the candidate has an awfully Who? Whom? view of what comprises a hate crime. Obama orated:

“Fifty years after the events in Little Rock, we have the recent events in Jena, Louisiana—with nooses hanging on a tree in a schoolyard and the overcharging of African American teens for a schoolyard fight.”

In reality, it’s unlikely that the September noose incident had anything to do with the December six-on-one stomping, but if Obama is right that the black star athletes’ assault was racially motivated, then the blacks should have also been charged with a hate crime.

“Efforts Continue to Suppress the Vote: A recent study discovered numerous organized efforts to intimidate, mislead and suppress minority voters.”

More of the black leftist paranoia you’d expect from a follower of Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr.

The biggest problem black voters face, as shown by Florida in 2000, is that they tend to botch up their ballots more often than other groups—because they have weaker average ability to follow directions. If Florida blacks had managed to fill out their ballots in a usable fashion at the same rate as Florida whites, Al Gore would have become President. But black incompetence is not a civil rights issue, it’s a human capital issue. Incompetence also affects lots of people, like all the elderly Jews in Florida who accidentally voted for Pat Buchanan.

This could be turned into a nonracial good government issue by a call for the use of voting machines with error checking technology. But Obama would never admit that black voters, on average, have a harder time following simple instructions. It’s so much easier to call it a civil rights issue.

“Disparities Continue to Plague Criminal Justice System: African Americans and Hispanics are more than twice as likely as whites to be searched, arrested, or subdued with force when stopped by police. Disparities in drug sentencing laws, like the differential treatment of crack as opposed to powder cocaine, are unfair.”

Which shows African Americans and Hispanics aren’t being stopped enough.

Think about it for a moment. If Non-Asian Minorities (NAMs) were being arrested per stop only half as much as whites, that would show NAMs were being stopped too much, and thus were victims of unfair racial profiling. But, instead, the opposite is happening. Simple logic shows that cops should be stopping them more and stopping whites less. Then the stop/arrest ratio would be the same. (It’s like the mortgage default rate scam—which is now a factor in the subprime mortgage mess.)

Of course, Obama is proud to have passed a law to make this worse.

“Barack Obama’s Plan

“Strengthen Civil Rights Enforcement

“Obama will reverse the politicization that has occurred in the Bush Administration’s Department of Justice. He will put an end to the ideological litmus tests used to fill positions within the Civil Rights Division.”

Bottom line: More quotas, ahoy!

Obama’s Howard U. “Fact Sheet” is much franker about Obama’s concern that blacks haven’t been getting enough lawyer jobs in the Justice Department:

“Moreover, the House Judiciary Committee, under Congressman John Conyers’s lead, has been investigating allegations that the Criminal Section has failed to hire a single African American attorney since 2003 to replace those who have left – leaving this important Section with only 2 African American lawyers out of fifty.”

More jobs for the boys!

“Combat Employment Discrimination

“Obama will work to overturn the Supreme Court’s recent ruling that curtails racial minorities’ and women’s ability to challenge pay discrimination. Obama will also pass the Fair Pay Act to ensure that women receive equal pay for equal work.”

Even more quotas, ahoy!

By the way, in 2006 the Illinois Senator went out of his way to record a radio ad opposing Ward Connerly’s Michigan initiative outlawing racial preferences in state government. But Connerly triumphed over Obama 58 percent to 42 percent.

“Expand Hate Crimes Statutes

“Obama will strengthen federal hate crimes legislation and reinvigorate enforcement at the Department of Justice’s Criminal Section.”

That’s pretty scary-sounding. (To Obama’s credit, however, he once did quietly send a letter to a constituent saying he approved of an independent inquiry into the notorious prosecutor Mike Nifong in the Duke Lacrosse hoax case. Granted, he was a year behind VDARE.com, but by the very low standards to which Presidential candidates are held, that’s not bad.)

“End Deceptive Voting Practices

“Obama will sign into law his legislation that establishes harsh penalties for those who have engaged in voter fraud and provides voters who have been misinformed with accurate and full information so they can vote.”

Hmmm. Do you think Obama’s Justice Department will go after voter fraud in Obama’s own Cook County?

Do you think he’ll crack down on illegal immigrants voting?

Do you think he’s really going to go after all the black ministers who take “walking around money” from political parties? By the way, did you notice that Obama’s Rev. Wright is moving to a 10,000 square foot mansion on a golf course in a gated community in a 93% white suburb? Do you think President Obama will have the Justice Dept. look into his own church’s finances?

“End Racial Profiling

“Obama will ban racial profiling by federal law enforcement agencies and provide federal incentives to state and local police departments to prohibit the practice.”

More 9/11s, ahoy!

George W. Bush’s fight against profiling Arabs by airport security contributed to the climate in which Mohammed Atta and his 19 friends freely boarded four jetliners. Do you think Barack Hussein Obama is going to do anything to make us safer from people with, say, Muslim middle names?

“Reduce Crime Recidivism by Providing Ex-Offender Support

“Obama will provide job training, substance abuse and mental health counseling to ex-offenders, so that they are successfully re-integrated into society. Obama will also create a prison-to-work incentive program to improve ex-offender employment and job retention rates.”

Not necessarily a bad idea, but mostly a state duty. Ron Paul would say it’s time for the Feds to get out of the way of states experimenting with criminal justice systems.

Anyway, there are already lots and lots of programs for ex-cons. Unless Obama has identified a few that actually work, this is just a call for more money for his social worker constituency.

“Eliminate Sentencing Disparities

“Obama believes the disparity between sentencing crack and powder-based cocaine is wrong and should be completely eliminated.”

Perhaps a good idea, but calling it a civil rights issue just shows Obama’s racial tendentiousness. Keep in mind that the increased penalties for crack were demanded in the 1980s primarily by black leaders such as Rev. Jesse Jackson and Rep. Charlie Rangel. Back then, crack was cool and was sweeping across the black community, with disastrous effect. Today, everybody knows it’s the devil’s own drug, so it’s less of a threat.

Also, it’s a myth that large numbers of NAMs are being sentenced to prison who are mere drug users. In truth, as Sam Quinones pointed out in the LA Times recently, [A familial mean street, March 30, 2008] it’s hard to convict gang-affiliated crack dealers of trafficking in drugs or perpetrating violence because their gangs threaten witnesses with death. So, they often get put away on drug possession charges, because those require only physical evidence.

Anyway, this is another example of where federalization, such as determining the length of prison sentences, which was reserved in the Constitution for the states, just gets in the way of good government. If drug sentencing had been allowed to remain a state prerogative, then supporters of change could point to how, say, Idaho, had reduced sentencing for crack down to the same level as powder cocaine with good results. But, since this law was passed at the federal level, experimentation can only take place at the all or nothing federal level, which, reasonably enough, makes people wary of experimenting with laws that, at great cost, have helped reduce the crime rate.

A better approach would be for the federal government to pass a law allowing state governments to vote to change the law in their state. But that would be … States Rights, which, by definition, is evil.

“Expand Use of Drug Courts

“Obama will give first-time, non-violent offenders a chance to serve their sentence, where appropriate, in the type of drug rehabilitation programs that have proven to work better than a prison term in changing bad behavior.”

Once again, from a non-racialist’s perspective, shouldn’t this be a state criminal justice issue, not a federal civil rights issue?

“Restore Professionalism to the Civil Rights Division: Barack Obama will reverse the politicization that has occurred in the Bush Administration’s DOJ. He will put an end to the ideological litmus tests used to fill nonpolitical positions within the Division and ensure that the nation’s civil rights lawyers are just that – civil rights lawyers.”

In other words, Obama will banish anybody who has any principled doubts about racial preferences and put the Department of Justice firmly back in the hands of people who make their living off quotas.

And then there’s this doozy:

“Fight Pay Discrimination …

“Obama is also a cosponsor of Senator Tom Harkin’s (D-IA) Fair Pay Act. As president, Obama will support legislation to promote paycheck equity – the right of women to receive equal compensation to that provided comparably qualified men.”

In other words: comparable worth, which was such a incredibly stupid idea that it never passed even back in the Stupid Seventies when feminists dreamed it up. This doctrine says that the federal government should oversee the wages of everybody in private industry to make sure that mostly male occupations, such as truck driver, don’t get paid more than mostly female occupations, such as librarian. It’s basically equity-driven socialism.

Harvard economist Greg Mankiw, author of the best-selling economics textbook, blogged last year when he heard about what Harkin and Obama were up to:

“In the first edition of my favorite economics textbook, there was a section on comparable worth.’ Eventually, my editor suggested I take it out, on the grounds that economic logic had finally killed off this bad idea. But like Lord Voldemort in the first Harry Potter book the idea was weakened, but not dead.”

In short: The totality of Obama’s career since age 23 adds up to a man who has been in the business of taking from whites and giving to blacks.

Or at least that’s the impression he tried to give. How much benefit he actually did for blacks is another question altogether.

All that we can say with confidence is that Barack Obama’s career has been very, very good for Barack Obama.

But will it be good for America?

Mods, it’s a denial-of-service attack.

Totally Accurate and Not At All Refutable Prediction
by Troofie O’Authentico

Here is how it will go down next week. First, the results from Virginia and North Carolina will come in, and they’ll be declared for McCain. You’ll be disappointed, but “no big deal, change can’t come overnight” will be your comment. Florida will go red, and a little nervousness will creep in. The usual suspects will fall into the usual categories. As the night drags on, Ohio, Colorado, and (much to your horror) Pennsylvania will be too close to call.

My advice at this point to you will be to go to bed. You will wake up to a McCain presidency and the Great Liberal Freakout will be on.

Bookmark this, liberals, as this is exactly how it is going to go down. You will be wonder how the hell I was able to call this.

Why yes, yes I am cooking! Being summer and all, I does da grill. Made some griulled mahi mahi fish tacos the other day with a chipotle lime crema; that was pretty good.

Tonite, since the Ho is out of town and he doesn’t much care for salmon(!) but I lurvs me some salmon, I’m having some locally smoked keta salmon, scrambled eggs with chives and toasted rye bread. Such a classic! And a green salad.

Tomorrow, maybe I’ll saute a big piece of salmon filet and make a little mustard cream sauce for it. Served with steamed new potatoes drizzled with butter and some parsley confetti.

Here’s a really easy but fabulous summer meal: Make a compound butter – so easy, just cream together some good dairy butter, a mess of chopped fresh tarragon and a squeeze of lemon. Grill some chicken parts plainly – just salt and pepper then onto the grill. Dot the chicken with the maitre d’ butter just before serving (or wolfing down, as the case may be). Chicken technique adapted from my friend Jaques Pepin.

I’d make a Frenchy style potato salad. Slice some potates into 1/4 inch or so slices. Bring to boil in lots of salted water. Cook them until they’re *almost* done – you want them to be firm enough to hold their shape and not crumble but of course they must be done, y’know? Drain them and return to the pot on low heat. Douse the potates with 1/2 cup or so of chicken broth/stock or begetable broth or even some reserved cooking water. Season with salt and pepper. Add a generous dosage of fresh thyme and some sliced scallions (that’s geen onions for you philistines) or shallots or if lacking those, finely diced onion. Mix it all up and let everything them steep for a few minutes to soak up the goodness. Drizzle with a goodly glug of extra virgin olive oyl and a generous spalsh of wine vinegar. Gild the lily by adding a tablespoon (or so – everything is to taste, for gawds sake) of fancy elitist french type mustard and toss it about. Serve warm or at room temperature.

Blanch some green beans (haricot vert, if you DARE!), refresh in ice water, drain and dry, then saute briefly and gently in a bit of butter and olive oil along with some finely diced shallot.

And you know what? There are actually some really nice rose available these days. I’ve been sampling them recently; can’t tell you how fabulously they blow away expectations! If you don’t have a decent wine merchant to recommend a good rose, check out an inexpensive portugese white, of which I’ve also been enjoying quite a lot lately.

Ice cream and fresh berries for dessert! Crumble some cookies on top.

Healthful, delicious, sorta fancy but oh-so-easy and inexpensive too. Just my style.

bon appetit!

And FYWP with broken chicken bones.

Don’t worry, I’m out of here for today.

Bull. Shit.

Really, the whole “cut-n-paste” trolling is more like a futile filibuster than even the blatant impotent-rage trolls we usually have around here. Doesn’t this person realize the absolutely no one is bothering to read this stuff, and that it’s quite easy, and not all that inconvenient, to simply roll past it with the mouse-wheel?

It reminds me of the Dude, in the Big Lebowski, furiously nailing a board to the floor in front of the chair he has wedged against the door, to keep it from being opened. There’s a pricelss look of stunned confusion on his face when he watches the door being easily opened outward. He is at first incapable of comprehending that his carefully thought out plan has failed. Priceless.

If we just told him all of us are black, he’d probably run away in fear.

Mods, it’s a denial-of-service attack.

Funny, he doesn’t read like he’s North Korean.

P.S. I got thousands of IP addresses, you will never ban them all, asswipes!

Translation: I have no life, and nuthin’ better to do than play with my own poop on someone else’s website.

I typically don’t think trolls should be banned, as I think letting people decide for themselves with killfile is best, but scrolltroll is trying to avoid killfile. Ban the asshole.

The reason is obvious.

You think knowing that Georgia was a slave state makes us rabid?

wow when the trolls start quoting VDARE why dont they save them selves some time and just go “I HATE BLACKS NAA NAA NAA!” It would save us a lot of eliminationist cut and pasting.

PS as a drunk red head do I count?

What’s the number of drunken red heads per 100,000?
This question needs to be answered, or the terrorists win.

you will never ban them all, asswipes!

Still, we would be better for the attempt.

If I understand S,N!’s policy, it’s to keep discussion open and free. Troofie’s doing his best to make sure it isn’t.

PS can someone post the kill file again I’m a bit of a luddite after good chardonney?

Question said,

P.S. I got thousands of IP addresses, you will never ban them all, asswipes!

A new record, ladies and gentlemen.

PS can someone post the kill file again I’m a bit of a luddite after good chardonney?

Click on my nym. Badgers will dance for your pleasure.

Still can’t get greasemonkey killfile to work in Opera. I haven’t been trying real hard, mind you.

Yoyo, if you’re a drunk redhead you count as a drunk redhead. Me, I’m just a drunk.

What kind of bitter, twisted wreckage of a human being finds this to be a satisfying experience?

I think you just answered your own question.

The kind of bitter twisted etc., that, realizing it is politically powerless, & likely to remain so for some time, has reduced its already limited ideology to “anything that pisses off the ‘libs.'”

By posting the inane dronings it copies (It’s now regurgitating Steve Sailer, f’r crissakes!) making idiotic strawpeople & statements calculated to irritate any rational human by their ignorance & stupidity alone, & then getting a reaction from some of the weaker members of The People’s Commentariat, it gains some sort of satisfaction, easing its bitter twistedness.

The point being that while some here may be sympathetic liberals, responding to the troll(s) is not helpful. Stop enabling it/them. Tough love, baby. He’ll find someplace else, & maybe, eventually, he’ll get help one of these days.

Also:
Go into a 100% Mexican area at night and see how much they care about your love for “diversity”.

My neighborhood is about 90% Mexican/Central American, the remaining 10% being Bangla Deshi, crazy middle-aged white people, Koreans & young “hipster,” for lack of a better word, honkies. (Guess my category.)

All the Latino people here have jobs, are going to school, or both. Some of them even have two jobs. Coming back from celebrating the Fourth of July, at 0300 the next day, I walked six blocks from the city bus full of derelictsworking people. The streets were empty except for a roach coach, its sign offering food in Korean, Spanish & English. (The horror!) So crazy longish blond-going-white haired, blue-eyed me walked right on by, smiled at the people waiting or eating, they smiled back, I kept going, they kept waiting or eating. No discussion whatsoever of “diversity.”

So fuck you, pathetic, scared little creep. Get a grip, or a clue, or something.

And chinga su madre, while I’m at it!

M., tell us how you really feel.

WTF? I leave to watch Max Payne on DVD (sue me…I like the games and Olga Kurylenko) and come back to a huge steaming pile where my Sadly experience is supposed to be.

Badgers will dance for your pleasure.

It’s like you can see my dreams.

“HOW CAN YOU JUST SIT BY AND LET YOURSELF BECOME A SHRINKING MINORITY IN YOUR OWN COUNTRY!?”

Apparently it is inconceivable to some that there are african americans or hispanic americans on this site. Or for that matter, as “true” citizens of the country.

And say, wasn’t it a Spanish expedition that discovered America (and explored Appalachia) a century or so before the British got here?

Also tu madre, & any & all other relations.

PeeJ, sadly, there are laws about how I really feel.

Apparently it is inconceivable to some that there are african americans or hispanic americans on this site. Or for that matter, as “true” citizens of the country.

Fuck…my grandparents didn’t get here until the 1910s and a bunch of right-wing assholes said the same damned things about them then that scrolly is puking up tonight.

Oh sure, compare yourselves to Georgia. Pheh. Anywhere looks good compared to Georgia.

Ha! Georgia, for all its back-assedness, at least has Atlanta, and is the home of the godalmighty Allman Brothers. You want a stark comparison, gwine t’ Miss-sippi. Or even the so-red-it’s-fuckin’-crimson glorious border state of Tenn-ass-ee. I can cast aspersions because fuckall I live here. Yeah yeah Elvis and Stax and Nashville whatever, it still sux.

I leave to watch Max Payne on DVD (sue me…I like the games and Olga Kurylenko)

Um, *whisper* i thought the first game was pretty neat…

Of course, I haven’t finished it ’cause I keep dying in that dumbass “nightmare sequence” where you have to walk on a line and the slightest twitch causes you to fall to your death. I’m old, dammit! I need a cheat!

All true, Brad. But Tom Brady and his admirers cancel it all out. But then again, even with all the Bradyness in the world you can’t out assholify New York.

Without Brady and etc, you’re the best state in the union. With Brady, you’re the second worst behind New York (and would be fourth worst, if San Francisco and Chicago North Side were states instead of fascist enclaves full of Nazi child molesters).

I’m old, dammit! I need a cheat!

If you’re playing the windows version, there’s a “god mode” where you can’t die. Played the whole game like that once. Beat every single goon to death with the baseball bat, never fired a shot…

Matt Stafford > Matt Ryan

I’ve heard this bullshit about “go to a (black, hispanic, etc.) neighborhood at night” The fact is, its no more dangerous than anywhere else if you don’t reek of fear and loathing for the residents.
Go to Little Italy (or any other strongly ethnic neighborhood) or Mingo WV, and start acting like you have contempt for the locals (no matter what color you are) and see how soon you feel like a minority in your own country.

Ha! Georgia, for all its back-assedness, at least has Atlanta

Hmph, what am I, chopped liver?

Another great thing about Massachusetts

1996 Olympics > Um…

Sanford Stadium > Any stadium/arena/public area in Massachusetts. At least in attendance. And everything else.

And anyway. We’ll be blue in 2012. Promise. Promise promise promise.

If you’re playing the windows version, there’s a “god mode” where you can’t die.

Xbox, unfortunately.

Peej, your cooking always sounds wonderful. I’ll hafta try that tarragon thing. I did some heavy oregano & a bit of lemon juice on chicken a while ago, that was good.

It’s really pathetic how trolls need attention. I would assume, from their behavior, that they have no one to pay attention to them, and bad attention, psychologically speaking, is better than none.

Ya know, just as a PSA, if trolls developed a personality and some empathy, life would brighten up extraordinarily!

They might even get laid without paying for it.

Look at that dumb floral print she has. What a stupid design. And pink? What the hell kind of color is pink? And who paid for that dress?

What’s that in the background, are those trees? Where did she find trees in DC? I thought they riddled every living thing with bullets in the city, how did those trees stay alive? Who paid for those trees?

Why didn’t she get those stupid heads out of the way of this photo? They’re blocking everything. Whose heads are those? Who paid for those heads? Are they Kenyan? And where are the birth certificates for these heads? What evidence is there in this photo that anybody involved was born in the USA? Is there a flag in the background? No? Why not? Why are the taxpayers paying for toothpicks and not flags in the background? Who took this photo? And why? If my money, as an American taxpayer, paid for this photo, I demand a smile from Michelle, who is ugly.

Look at the way she’s holding that toothpick, what a stupid way to hold a toothpick.

You ever notice how every presidential prerogative becomes “lavish” (i.e. “uppity”) when Obama makes use of it?

Now that you mention it, yes. Good catch.

Just out of curiosity, has anyone kept track of all the nyms the troll known as troofie has used? Redcon, Question, the Truth …

has anyone kept track of all the nyms the troll known as troofie has used

Just flip open a dictionary.

Just out of curiosity, has anyone kept track of all the nyms the troll known as troofie has used?

If I knew how to look at the list of names the kill/autopsy thing has accumulated, yes.

PeeJ: I have just cut and pasted your fantastic-sounding potato salad recipe.

I put in an elitist herb garden this spring/summer and, as a vegetarian, am forcing the erstwhile-carnivore spouse to eat at least two fresh-herb-inspired veggie dinners a week. Please please gimme more more. J’adore.

Xecky, type about:config in your browser url bar, and look at the values. You might want to copy and paste them into a text file to make them more readable.

And, also, plus: Sadlys, once again, after a lengthy self-imposed hiatus on whining, I implore you: If any of you host-ies care anything at all about your commentariat, PLEEZE get the fuck rid of these screed-cut-&-pasting shitbags and thread-controlling numbnutz trolls. Why, why, WHY won’t you assert your authority and stop handing over one of the awesomest lib websites in existence to the cretins who take advantage of you? Why? Have you no pride in what you do? Don’t you care? Are you TRYING to exit, stage left? It’s becoming an insult to your adoring fans. IMO.

Really, the whole “cut-n-paste” trolling is more like a futile filibuster than even the blatant impotent-rage trolls we usually have around here. Doesn’t this person realize the absolutely no one is bothering to read this stuff, and that it’s quite easy, and not all that inconvenient, to simply roll past it with the mouse-wheel?

I’ve often wondered about that. Clearly, the cut’n’paste asshole should be banned, but the scroll-troll schtick is basically harmless. It’s much less disruptive than the threadjackers who sucker people into prolonged point-by-point arguments about the Jena 6 or similar bullshit.

Just out of curiosity, has anyone kept track of all the nyms the troll known as troofie has used? Redcon, Question, the Truth …

Those last two aren’t Twoofie. Totally different style.

Tigrismus – that did it. Got a list of over 200 nyms, most of which are probably Troofie incarnations. Too big a bunch to post in a comment.

But here are a few:

You a Fry Cook Too, Tintin?
@Calrence Thomas
You Cannot Escape the Truth
Psychotherapy for liberals
Is this a crime?
Keep Crying to Daddy Government
Admit it!
Barack Obama, the Quintessential Liberal Fascist
Barack Obama’s Declaration of Dependence
The Catlin Ice Follies
Ahmadinejad Can Speak on a US Campus, But Netanyahu Cannot

And I be I know what night these happened on:

L
UH
MMMM
FGT TNTN
!!!!!!!!!!!

The questions–in all seriousness–is, WHY?

Who knows what evil lurks…
Okay, just pulling stuff out of my ass here but – I’ve heard about Troofus sightings at other blogs, but I doubt that the infestation is anywhere near as bad as it is here. I suspect that’s got to do with the liberal moderation policy here.

So here’s how I see it – for a while Troofus was actually enjoying himself here. He believed he was making good arguments and believed that he was particpating in real conversation. But of course, since he’s pretty much wrong about everything – things started to go downhill. It became harder and harder for him to deny the fact (to himself at least) that the laughing wasn’t with him.

So he gets mad and flies off the handle – and that garners him the attention that he so desperately craves. And this is enough to distract him from the fact that, now he’s essentially just the lefties boogeyman. It’s not him that people are talking to, it’s the deranged angry persona – the Tourette’s twitches that are getting the response.

And herein lies the sad part. At some point, he decided that he doesn’t care. That the ugly troll that has emerged, well he now prefers being that thing – because it’s better than being the dumb moron who thought he was learning all the cool kidz about the Pokedex or the difference between rimfire and centerfire ammunition.

Yup, my theory is that he’s at the point where he’s so heavily invested in being the ugly racist selfish asshole called The Truth that he actually prefers being that to being himself. Fucking sad really.

The ironic part is that the whole outsider thing that the guy under the Troofus mask has got going on? Well I suspect that there’s plenty of folx here who would be mighty sympathetic to it.

Anyways, that’s my take on it. I actually try not to think about it too much. Note that, if I’m right, the best thing we can do for Troofus is to ignore him. Often I forget that and I take the troll-bait. Sometimes the act is so beyond the pale – I actually don’t care about the mental health of some crazy fucker that could be harboring that type of evil in himself. Rarely I’ll catch myself – and realize how shitty an attitude that is. Then I’ll apologize for troll-feeding. In part I’m apologizing to the rest of the readers for having to witness yet another pointless and inevitably lop-sided exchange. But mostly I’m apologizing to the guy hiding behind The Truth, for forgetting that as much as he’s acting like a dickweed, there’s still a very neglected human being – crying for help – under it all.

I just don’t get all this white panic about “our country” getting less white. Well, I mean I do get why they’re panicked–they’re pig-ignorant, pants-pissing little weasels.

But all that aside, just learn a little fucking history about the Americas. More than any other part of this planet, the American continents have been the scene of ceaseless conquer, migration, emigration and immigration as far back as history has been able to trace. Nobody fucking “belongs” here, because nobody stays in one place long enough to claim shit. I suppose what we call the Native Americans had the best “claim” on their territory, by virtue of having been on it for quite awhile before the Europeans arrived. But just dig a little deeper, and I’ll bet someone else beat them to it.

So in short, just shut the fuck up about what you think America is supposed to be, or who’s supposed to live here, because the fact is, nobody fucking knows. Give it another hundred years, and the Hispanic majority will be bitching about some other usurper.

…I bet I know, that is.

Dragon-King Wangchuck: You know I luv ya man, but fuck this shit. Look how much space you just devoted to The Troll. Fuck him already. I want my S,N! bestest commentators to be commentating on stuff that’s risible and thus makes me laugh. Troll attention time is wasted time. FUCK HIM. BAN! BAN! BAN!

I want my Sadly, No!

On topic:

The Coast is the most, because the surfing’s the best!

Northeastern media elites, phooey!

Hey look, Ma! Dancing Badgers where once was only the acrid waft of Troofie!

Thanks, Red Badger of Courage!

MzNicky,
Your wish is my command. While I have no influence over the banstick or its use – I can at least try for some of Teh Funneh.

Like the time when…

Or how about the thing with the… you know, that guy who was all like…

I mean, um, these assorted religious guys and something about a bar…

Ah jeez, look I swear this is the first time this has ever happened to me.

Xecklothxayyquou Gilchrist said,

July 10, 2009 at 4:44

Tigrismus – that did it. Got a list of over 200 nyms, most of which are probably Troofie incarnations. Too big a bunch to post in a comment.

Thanks. I don’t use the killfile, as i get a perverse kick out of watching the troll get taken to the cleaners by the sharp wits around here. but the scrolltroll bit is annoying.

Hey look, Ma! Dancing Badgers where once was only the acrid waft of Troofie!

Thanks, Red Badger of Courage!

(tip of the hat) It’s one of my many services.

WORCESTERVERINES!!!!!!!!

We’re all guilty of biting on the troll-bait from time to time. Hell, I’ll admit to a bit of guilty pleasure at a good smack-down, which the sadlynaughts do so well. I’m still mystified about what the troll itself is possibly getting out of it. Trying mightily to avoid armchair psychoanalysis as well as glib “little-boy-in-the-basement” put-downs, I honestly am seriously mystified at what possible satisfaction, enjoyment, fulfillment, validation–what??–the troll finds in spending endless fucking hours at it,

The fact is, I miss Gary.

Don’t you guys beat Georgia in marriages that don’t end in divorce ?

Steerpike: Who gives a flyin’ fuck WHAT the goddam trolls get out of trolling? FUCK THEM!! Ban their sorry asses already! Now see? We’re STILL fucking talking about them instead of the thread topic!

I don’t mind the trolls. Honestly, these threads can get pretty boring, and nothing livens up a party like a moron presenting himself to be used as a punching bag. However, the scroll-troll needs to go NOW. He’s boring, evades the killfile, and is just an all-around nuisance.

If push comes to shove, just let him know where my IP is coming from. Maybe it will scare off tongzhi scroll-troll. That works on the FReepers, anyway.

Yes, you do rule, massholes.

But as Denis Leary and others like me have found, New York City is a shitload more fun, and it stays open wicked late. We also have a park upstate the size of Vermont.

Go Sox!

And ahem, civilization is on the other side of the border. It’s called Canada. It’s nice to think of Massachusetts as supior and shit, but it is still attached to this shitty nation.

Want to shake things up? Take New England and the Maritime Provinces and merge them into the United Atlantic States….or Atlantica….or whatever. Now that would be a great nation.

I’m still mystified about what the troll itself is possibly getting out of it.

Most of them are here to disrupt the place by luring the unwary into endless arguments about wingnut talking points. And they usually get away with it. It doesn’t matter how clever anyone’s counter-argument is, if the troll can get people to respond and argue then they’ve taken over the thread and turned it into shit.

They succeed because we enable them. And we almost always do enable them.

The fact is, I miss Gary.

Actually, so do I. Gary was fun. He never tried to engage anyone, never tried to argue and threadjack. He would appear, say something ridiculous that offered a rich target for ridicule, and leave. He was my type of troll.

Take New England and the Maritime Provinces and merge them into the United Atlantic States….or Atlantica….or whatever. Now that would be a great nation.

I dunno. Do the Maritimers know that they need to yield to anyone intending to bang a left? If not, I don’t see it working.

Most of them are here to disrupt the place by luring the unwary into endless arguments about wingnut talking points. And they usually get away with it.

Say, where’s actor212 been lately?

shalom, gentlemen.

tsk tks, MzN, I don’t think you’re being fair. First of all, the “Thread Topic” is usually the merest of guiding suggestions for the rollicking exchanges that take place on this board. No one gets attackedfor going “OT”. And, as many others have noted, an occasional troll adds a bit of spice to a thread, as long as the argument doesn’t suck all of the oxygen out of the room. I’ll be the first to agree that posters often pile on and the whole thread turns into one big troll-fest. I myself have been accused of being a scold for telling people to stop lettinng trolls control the conversation. If some snarky idiot drives by and lobs a few brickbats, it is a bit of harmless fun to shoot back for awhile. When it gets obnoxious–and mystifying, to me–is when some idiot camps her for hours on end, demanding that we watch and comment his pathetic endless wanking

Terrified little bigot is wordy little motherfucker ain’t he?

MzN, you’re a mean girl. Carnivores need they meat! Make it _mostly_ veg but add a little charred flesh if he’s a good boy and eats his rabbit food – you can keep him under your thumb that way.

I miss having a garden, jeebus I do. Ratatouille with garden veg. om nom nom nom Seriously, ratatouille can be fancy but simple “stewed veggies” is best. Toss in some greenie beanie. Got garlic scapes? Throw ’em in. Don’t forget to add a nice dosage of herbs at the end, off heat. Same herbs you cooked into it but adding them at the end, uncooked, adds about a gazillion dimensions to it.

When it gets obnoxious… is when some idiot camps her for hours on end, demanding that we watch and comment his pathetic endless wanking

Which is exactly what’s been happening on a regular basis. That’s what MzNicky was talking about.

One word – maple syrup.

OK, that’s two words.

Genuine maple syrup.

Also, some crufty bread.

Which is exactly what’s been happening on a regular basis.

Right. He’s a successful troll.

Snorhagen–I totally agree the troll sitch here has gotten way out of hand, Like it or not, unless the mods change their liberal wide-open posting policy–something I think everyone agrees would be unfortunate–it looks like this board has become hopelessly infested. It’s like the difference between having an occasional rabbit visit your yard, and finding that your patio has become the Playboy Grotto of actual bunnies, and you’re now overrun with voracious, no-longer-cute vermin. (I speak from actual real-world experience of this).

He’s a successful troll.

Is that an accomplishment or a lack-of-character trait?
Cripes, I need to bone up on category theory.

Heh, I said “bone.” Heh.

Is that an accomplishment or a lack-of-character trait?

Well, William Kristol is apparently a successful journalist.

Number of human slaves in 1860:

Massachusetts: None.
Georgia: A gajillion.

Nuf sed.

He camps here for hours because he gets reaction.

I’m w/ everything Steerpike says. The usual gang of idiots here are amusing as hell, & that’s just the commenters. The semi-paid creators are really exceptional. Nothing wrong w/ the occasional troll, either.

But banning a loner w/ problems who posts solely to tick people off is no loss.

Let us be fair. The resident troll has beeen banned, disemvoweled and beaten to a bloody pulp. Repeatedly.

Not to contradict my friends but I think there’s two, maybe three (at most) trolls in residence. Alas, the wonder and glory of anonymization – which I whole-heartedly support – is readily available to even the most unwashed (and unwashable) of internetizens.

The best trollbane I’ve seen yet is whatever sets it off into paroxysmal spastic fury (think LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL)

I’m not sure what the exact triggers are; maybe some scienterrific examination would be worth the while.

YOUR GRANDMOTHER IS A COMMUNIST!

Democrats in the House are stirring up a kettle of disgusting gruel they’re calling universal health care. Naturally, they are egged on by the evil little imps at AARP, a group nearly as left-wing and despicable as the ACLU.

Also, PENIS. Just need to get that out there, so to speak.

MY grandmother is a worm eaten, decomposed lump. Much like Burt P.

MY grandmother is a worm eaten, decomposed lump.

I would not, then, fish around in the candy dish.

Erm…

http://www.americanthinker.com/cartoons/

All my ancestors resemble PeeJ’s gran, so they’re totally not communiss.

I want to be, but I’ve been so off the radar that I didn’t get the “please join us in subverting America” letter from the AARP when I hit the big 5-0.

Though I’ve heard that the AARP is essentially based on selling Medicare-supplemental insurance, a capitalist activity. Who am I to believe?

Erm…

http://www.americanthinker.com/cartoons/

Their fantasy life fascinates me, even as it repels me. WTF is wrong with these people?

If you want fascination, dig her other Fine Art.

My artwork has evolved into a means in which I use irreverence and eccentricity to fight against collectivism and statism. I also want to provide an alternative to unimaginative art that leans left in order to appear “edgy”.

I sed: The resident troll has beeen banned, disemvoweled and beaten to a bloody pulp. Repeatedly.

As I went to replenish my martini, I realized I had been thinking of Mickey Rourke’s screen character in Barfly. Which the troll resembles so very much. (Said depiction not including any actual Bukowski merits, of course.)

http://www.americanthinker.com/cartoons/

That Sarah Palin can assimilate me anyday!

There is no spoon! There is no spoon!

I live in Georgia and it sucks bad. I moved here from Mass, and it sucks, too. If there is some statistic on racism/segregation, surely Mass must rank as bad as GA or even worse. Maybe somebody can look up the numbers but I bet Georgia Tech graduates more African American engineers in a year than MIT and all of Mass in all of history.

Replenish my martini, lib’s!

Abridged Burt Prelutsky:

I say, hooey!… balderdash… the way kids tend to be raised these days, when even common courtesy seems to be asking too much of them… young savages… disgusting gruel… booze, drugs, porn and electronic toys… bureaucratic dunderheads…

mutter mutter mumble mutter

Git offa my lawn!

It is indicative of the deplorable decline in America, a decline which we have witnessed over many years and which is evident in the lackadaisical dress habits the something or other generation (who can keep track?) espouses and promotes this sentence is going on much too long but I just can’t help myself. Can I finish the paragraph now? I have nothing to say but say it I muist, unlike the rabble that now drives our political discourse.

Burt Prelutsky is a true American patriot and I nveer took any money from anyone for …watch me on TEEVEE!

Genuine maple syrup.

I FIND THIS STRANGELY EROTIC!!!!

“Kill Whitey”; Menace Clan, Da Hood, 1995, Rap-A-Lot Records, Noo Trybe Records, subsidiaries of what was called Thorn EMI and now is called The EMI Group, United Kingdom.

Fact. We were talking about one specific whitey. Whitey DeLuca, our ex-manager.

And Whitey DeLuca wasn’t even white. He was Italian. He was one of those olive complected motherfuckers, you know.

Two additional pieces of information:

In 2007, the percentage of people in Mass who could not afford a physician visit was about 6%. In the same year in Georgia, it was 16.5%. Further, since the implementation of the health insurance requirement in Mass, only about 3% in 2008 still did not have coverage. In 2008 in Georgia, 18% of the residents had no health coverage….

And Whitey DeLuca wasn’t even white. He was Italian. He was one of those olive complected motherfuckers, you know.

And do I look like the kind of motherfucker who could kill a whole lotta white people?!?

Hey, until you fuckwads have written several episodes of Dragnet 1968 & Dragnet 1969, just shut up about Burt Prelutsky!!

Who, even though he’s the greatest telebision writer of all time, is still bitter because typecasting prevented him from becoming the greatest telebision actor of all time:

Actor:
“The Waltons” …. 3rd Man (1 episode, 1973)
– The Prize (1973) TV episode …. 3rd Man

Born too early for the movie version of “The Third Man,” he had to suffer through attempts to recreate the role until he turned his talents to the written word.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0695902/#writer1960

you’re off by a zero on the infant death rate.

It’s per 1000 live births, not per cent.

WILL SOMEONE SHUT THIS MOTHERFUCKER UP.

Born too early for the movie version of “The Third Man,” he had to suffer through attempts to recreate the role until he turned his talents to the written word.

Damn right! Burt’s a film noir kind of a guy, totally at home in rain-soaked dark alleys. Danger is his middle name. Prelutsky knew he was a natural for Harry Lime, but then that no-talent punk Orson Welles stole the role out from under him, probably on orders from the goddamned Kremlin. It’s all a bunch of fucking hooey. shit crap mutter mutter mumble mutter bastids mutter

Was the cancer statistic thrown in there to prove the validity of the source?

I wonder what Amy Alkon thinks?

“My artwork has evolved into a means in which I use irreverence and eccentricity to fight against collectivism and statism. I also want to provide an alternative to unimaginative art that leans left in order to appear “edgy”.”

That’s gotta be some of the sickest shit I’ve seen in a while. And I mean bad sick. Not good sick.

Ugh. I’m gonna go wash my eyes with bleach now.

And what are they serving this shit with? An SE/30 on LocalTalk with an Ethertalk bridge?

I know bugger-all about both Mass. and Georgia, although I can wiffle on about South Australia until your brain turns to mush.

Viz the scroll troll: did he really paste an article about “The Camp of Stains”, or did I dream it?

Oh, and Smut – if you think MA is penis-shaped, you need to see a doctor. Fast.

A strangely truncated penis but that is because of the CIRCUMCISION HOLOCAUST.
The islands off to the right below the scrote are presumably dingleberries.

Massachusetts leads the country in incidents involving unspeakable, eldritch horrors from beyond the normal boundaries of space and time.

Yes, but the place to go for incidents of lame, TV-movie-style horror dreamed up by a man who really should’ve stopped writing years ago is Bangor, Maine.

Yes, but the place to go for incidents of lame, TV-movie-style horror dreamed up by a man who really should’ve stopped writing years ago is Bangor, Maine.

Given that you’ve never written anything, that’s a rather bold statement.

You needn’t know a musical instrument to purchase music. And you don’t have to own a typewriter to buy a damn book.

You don’t need a weatherman to know which the way over-written brand-name-dropping crap blows.

Given that you’ve never written anything, that’s a rather bold statement.

Well, firstly, how do you know I’ve never written anything? I mean, I haven’t, but to make such an assertion about an anonymous individual could also be seen as a bit “bold”.

And secondly, as others seem to be saying, if you are not a singer/songwriter, classical composer, novelist, journalist, actor, movie director, painter and sculptor, then I expect to never, ever, ever hear you express a single opinion about music, literature, films or art. Sound fair? Didn’t think so.

And say, wasn’t it a Spanish expedition that discovered America (and explored Appalachia) a century or so before the British got here?

was it not the Vikings (or their Greenland equivalent)

Speaking of horrible writing, I just picked up “Pride and Rejudice and Zombies” by Jane Austen and Seth Graham-Smith, who is described on the book jacket as someone who “once took a class in English Literature.” So far, not great, but the title and cover art made it worth having, if for no other reason.

“Pride and Rejudice and Zombies”

I thought the first sentence justified the cover price.

“It is a truth universally acknowledged that a zombie in possession of brains must be in want of more brains.”

Just to revisit the obnoxiosity of cutter&pasters and trolltards for one brief further comment, then I’ll STFU about it:

Reading and participating in a S,N! thread is like attending a party at someone’s house. You love these parties because there’s always a variety of interesting guests who engage in lively conversations about many topics. You enjoy most if not all of the attendees.

But then there’s this totally cretinous jerkface who ALWAYS show up at these parties, being rude and insulting others, getting drunk and talking loudly and obnoxiously about stupid things just to get attention. He simply won’t shut up and go away, and you wonder why your hosts don’t just throw his stupid sorry ass out already and never let him back in again. Yet at every otherwise-great party, there he is, ruining the evening and making some guests leave early vowing to never come back because of this stupid fucking jackass.

You can’t understand why your hosts, gracious and open-armed and welcoming as anyone could possibly be, don’t realize that tossing out the rude drunk loud-mouthed asshole who always gets into fistfights, purposely provokes senseless arguments with others, and then takes a dump on the living-room rug, does not equal suppression of free speech. That’s all.

The common wingnut meme about my home state is “ZOMG YOU PAY SO MUCH IN TEH TAXES!!11!!”

Do you? Last time I checked, MA had a FLAT TAX on state income and a 5% sales tax. I know that’s going to 6.25% next month…but that’s still less than the 7% you pay in most Georgia counties. Plus groceries are exempt.

I love my beautiful home state of Massachusetts. We got everything from mountains and wilderness in the Western part of the state to a bustling, gritty metropolis containing the finest education opportunities in the country in the eastern half, plus miles and miles of scenic coastline. We have the highest rate of pot smoking the US and some of the world’s (read: WORLD’S) best hospitals. Also gay marriage.

However, we are also a state that is run by fat white good-ol-boys who don’t get jack shit done, and though we are the only state with anything close to UHC, it’s an embarrassing half-assed attempt at one. We’re racist as fuck, in that passive-aggressive northerner-style way.

We also have one of the highest rates of drug addiction in the country. I live in Gloucester, the heroin addiction capital of the United States. Beautiful seaport town, you couldn’t ever tell unless you knew where to look. Thankfully we have a superior treatment system & just passed a law to include drug & mental health treatment in our version of “UHC”.

Massachusetts is a cool state.

Late to the thread, but just want to quickly add that there are some really wonderful liberal Georgians down here, though of course we’re outnumbered by the mouth-breathers about 200 to 1. You can’t throw a rock around here without hitting a baptist church with a judgemental sign out front.

But I live in a place called Flowery Branch, and by gum, it’s durn purty. You should see the tree-covered creek in my backyard.

Take New England and the Maritime Provinces and merge them into the United Atlantic States….or Atlantica….or whatever. Now that would be a great nation.

That’s a fantastic idea. Except…does Connecticut really have to come?

Oh yeah also Boston’s North Shore has a bunch of Brazilians now & cute Brazilian girls are cool too

I just want to say I’m not the scrolly guy.

I don’t hate hispanics/immigrants (I lived in San Antonio for eight years, for Gods sake) and employ a lot of them in my business. I don’t care what their legal status is, either.

Jacob Singer: You’ve just described my neck o’ the Tennessee woods. The place is lousy with conservatards and Baptists, but damn it’s just so beautiful here. Summer lasts about five months, and I hate the cold. Spring and fall are so gorgeous they should be illegal. If we only had more libs. Even that’s changing though — for ex., the no. of letters to the editor from pagans and tree-huggers now roughly equal those from Bible-bangers and wingnuts.

Late to the thread as well, but as a citizen of the city-state of Atlanta I hope you’ll all realize that not all Georgians are wingtard cracker Christianists. Atlanta in particular is very cosmopolitan, liberal, black, and gay.

And Savannah has a legitimate claim to being the most beautiful city in the United States.

A little less stereotyping, please? It can be a little demoralizing for your liberal comrades in the South.

Re: MA vs. GA: I have lived all my life in various big, square western flyover states, and am content here. All I can say is, MA has Click n’ Clack, the Tappet brothers, FTW.

Re: Going at night to a 100% Latino community: First of all, there’s no such thing, outside Latin America. Colorado has a large Hispanic population, with many heavily concentrated neighborhoods, and I can speak from personal experience that visiting these neighborhoods at night can be an absolute delight. In the sterile white suburbs (such as where I live), the streets and sidewalks are virtually abandoned after dark. Almost all travel, even for a few blocks, is by car, and at home, people spend there time outdoors in their own backyards and patios, screened off from everyone else–if they venture out at all. More likely, they can be found holed up in nicely remodeled basement rec-rooms with HD TV sets and home theaters. Someone could be assaulted, molested and killed on the sidewalk right under a streetlamp, and no one would even hear.

In Latino barrios, by contrast, the streets and sidewalks are alive with people well past dark on most summer evenings. People stroll in couples and groups, actually talking to each other, and most houses have people sitting on the front porch, rather than hiding in the back yard. A pedestrian–of any race–is far safer in such an area. There are witnesses everywhere, as well as any number of macho young men who would not hesitate to run to help soemone in trouble.

Oh, and the reason “Georgia” is growing is because Atlanta is a quality city with a lot to do, gorgeous women, nice weather, and job stuff.

Incidentally, there’s a nationmaster.com too:

Murder rate per 100,000:
•France: 1.7
•Massachusetts: 2.9
•Georgia: 6.4

Robberies per 100,000:
•France: 40
•Massachusetts: 125
•Georgia: 166

Burglaries per 100,000:
•Massachusetts: 547
•France: 611
•Georgia: 909

skip a few

Suicides per 1,000 people:
Suicide rate in nationamster given by gender
•France (Females): 0.0108 per 1,000
•France (Females): 0.0304 per 1,000
•Massachusetts: 0.068 per 1,000 people
•Georgia: 0.107 per 1,000 people

Percent below poverty level:
•France: 5.9%
•Massachusetts: 9.2%
•Georgia: 14.8%

Shame the edumacational stats don’t seem to match up well so apples to apples comparisons are difficult.

HIV death rate:

Massachusetts: 3.5% (20th in country)
Georgia: 8.2% (9th in country)

How cum all em raidnacks gitting th’ AIDES?

Ah thought yew cunnit git et frum yer cuzzin!

So far, not great, but the title and cover art made it worth having, if for no other reason.

I couldn’t get past the first chapter.

However, my daughter and her mom, both of them loved the book, so I suspect you have to be an Austen fan to really get it.

You want quality zombie literature, read World War Z, by Max Brooks. Seriously. Great book.

Sorry, Editors. The numbers that matte arer:

Superbowls won by teams located in Foxborough, Massachusetts: 3
Superbowls won by teams located in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania: 6

Steerpike, also San Antonio and El Paso have some of the lowest crime rates in the country.

I concur with Steerpike. World War Z (and it’s prequel The Zombie Survival Guide) are excellent books of the genre.

In Latino barrios, by contrast, the streets and sidewalks are alive with people well past dark on most summer evenings. People stroll in couples and groups, actually talking to each other, and most houses have people sitting on the front porch, rather than hiding in the back yard.

true, dat. A recent visit to East L.A., that was exactly the scene.

The islands off to the right below the scrote are presumably dingleberries.

They’re SHARKS.

Plus groceries are exempt.

And clothing.

You can’t throw a rock around here without hitting a baptist church with a judgemental sign out front.

Shorter religious nuts who need Sky Daddy to fool themselves into thinking they’re immortal: I’m not judging you, I just know you’re going to hell.

and employ a lot of them in my business.

Troofy, once again, playing with your toy soldiers is NOT “employing” them.

Are any of your “employees” ex-CIA agents with hot stripper wives, by any chance?

Believe me, religious wingnuttery is not confined to banjostan. Just south of Denver, in Colorado Springs, is the home for some of the scariest God-botherers you’ll ever find. The difference is here, they’re wealthy, politically powerful and intimately connected with the military–particularly the Air Force Academy.

America’s Shittiest Website, so you don’t need to go there…

Little Tommy Sowell, Wingnuttus Economicus, putting his ass where his mouth is:

I cannot think of anything that the government operates more efficiently than the market does.

You’re right about C-Springs. They’ve pretty much turned the Air Force Academy into Rocky Mountain Bible College.

Atlanta is a quality city with a lot to do, gorgeous women, nice weather, and job stuff.

Nice place but the sprawl and traffic are getting to be really bad there.

OT – via Atrios:
Mark Steyn is a total fucking shitbag.

Anyways, the reason I’m bringing this up is because it’s a perfect opportunity to use that rhetorical device that I am oh-so-fond of – i.e. even playing by Mark Steyn’s rules – Mark Steyn still l00zors.

Let’s take Mark Steyn’s argument at face value – i.e. that whether or not something like half a million women in the US live or die over the next decade is a moot point not worth arguing. Gah, it fucking feels inhumanly gross – but, just detach for a moment. This is an intellectual exercise. Anyways, fucking depraved asshole asks

How can testing 997 out of a thousand people for no good reason save money?

I dunno Mark -you festering wart on the backside of humanity. Let’s take a look. It costs roughly $100 for a mammogram. There are 22 million american women over the age of 65. So, let’s implement a program where 30 million mammograms are administered annually.
Cost on the order of $3 billion.

Direct cost of breast cancer in the US is on the order of $30 billion (a fifth to a quarter of $100 billion to $140 billion in 2001). Mammograms miss detection of up to 30% of cancers. So we’re talking about $25 billion or so in direct costs for breast cancer. Early detection would reduce these costs significantly – but let’s say that it’s only by a factor of two.
Savings on the order of $10 billion.

IOW, even if you are an inhumane monster that does not care if women die or not, that believes the benefit to a woman of early detection is not worth counting – annual mammograms administered to women over the age of 60 saves the healthcare system billions of dollars.

Steerpike, also San Antonio and El Paso have some of the lowest crime rates in the country.

Sadly, no!

Colorado has a large Hispanic population, with many heavily concentrated neighborhoods, and I can speak from personal experience that visiting these neighborhoods at night can be an absolute delight

I grew up in Denver in an almost 100% Chicano neighborhood (*) (NoDo) and can confirm it’s as steerpike described. Everybody hanging out on their porches, going across the street or next door to talk to neighbors or share leftovers, families going for walks, neighborhood kids all coming together for a big football game in the street, etc. It couldn’t be more radically different than the usual passive-aggressive frigid relationships people have with their neighbors in the ‘burbs. I really pity people who grew up thinking and living the idea that good fences make good neighbors.

(*) if somebody looks more like Montezuma than Cortez, call ’em Chicano, not Hispanic…

I was surprised Steyn took the “who-cares-if-they-die” tack, since he views women as valuable incubators for white babies that will be needed to fend off the Muslamonazi hordes.

How can testing 997 out of a thousand people for no good reason save money?

Wait, how do you know which three to test?

Guten Morgen Damen und Herren!

I see the thread survived the flood of Cut & Pasta last night.

Don’t tell me the Human Stain is doing the “if you don’t detect ‘x’ the test is a waste of time and money” glibertarian thing. It’s called “preventative medicine”, you moronic douche.

I’m not surprised that he used the example of breast cancer because a) he’s a misogynist asshole, and b) breast cancer is actually one of those conditions where he can make a marginally decent argument from his really fucked-up perspective of “money savings”.

However, conditions such as cervical cancer, diabetes, asthma, etc affect a large number of our population and a large number of our un/underinsured population and many of those conditions are easily treatable before they become life-threatening (ie, EXPENSIVE) and/or preventable.

Of course, if we were to start preventing and treating these conditions, we would a) be preventing the deaths and improving the quality of life of a lot of poor and brown people, and b) (which is perhaps even scarier for the Cons) would have to start confronting the environmental factors which lead to higher incidences of asthma, diabetes, heart disease, etc among poor and minority groups, which would most likely lead to us challenging big ag, industrial polluters, and the oil and auto industries, among others.

It’s called “preventative medicine”[…]

So’s giving Mr. Steyn a lobotomy.

It couldn’t be more radically different than the usual passive-aggressive frigid relationships people have with their neighbors in the ‘burbs.

We are beyond-lucky with the burb we ended up in northern NJ. Not only do they have an annual block party (10+ years), one of the folks down the street has a annual New Year’s Eve party JUST FOR NEIGHBORS. Everybody waves to each other, everybody talks to each other, everybody helps each other, and after living here for quite a while I still haven’t heard one word of even mild gossip.

But we’re in that highly-taxed state of NJ, so life here is hell. I wish I could live in a McMansion in a low-tax state and consider all my neighbors to be potential enemies that I would shoot if when Malcolm X Blackity Obama gets thru destroying America.

I cannot think of anything that the government operates more efficiently than the market does.

To be fair to Tom Sowell, this statement is entirely accurate. He cannot think of anything by virtue of being a dope.

On most of those statistics, Vermont beats Massachusetts (and is as well the #1 most educated state – http://www.statemaster.com/graph/edu_bes_edu_ind-education-best-educated-index) Yay Vermont!

…he can make a marginally decent argument from his really fucked-up perspective of “money savings”.

No, he can’t. There is no fucking way that mammography is more expensive than missing out on large amounts of early detection. Cancer treatment is, aside from being an intensely brutal ordeal, fucking expensive. The earlier you catch it, the less it costs the system.

“McMansions” are a triumph of American capitalism and industry, and a gereat economic value for the consumer as well. And most people freely choose to live in them when they can afford it.

No wonder leftists hate them!

Vermont…is…the #1 most educated state

Of course it is. All they had to do was put bear traps baited with hemp and patchouli in front of the schools and there was an instant captive audience for learnin’.

There’s more complexity to cancer screening than anyone is willing to admit. Some of the complexity has to do with the risk and cost of following up on a false positive result. In other words, how many of the 997 women had to have visits to specialists and biopsies to rule out false positive or ambiguous results? You have to add those costs, plus the cost of any treatment required for complications resulting from the biopsies.

Another wrinkle is explored in this column.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/191428/output/comments
There are statistical reasons why the cancers detected in screenings are usually those which are inherently less aggressive and can be as successfully treated at later stages as when they are caught early. In addition, we probably all have small collections of cancer cells in our bodies at any time, but we never know it because our immune system kills them off.

Last November, scientists reported that about one quarter of breast cancers detected (early) on mammograms vanish spontaneously.

I suspect that the answer to cancer eventually will be treatments that nudge the immune system into doing its job.

It is probably impossible to predict whether more cancer screenings will result in net savings in health care costs. In fact, I have to wonder whether any screenings will really save on medical costs. If we’re committed to extending everyone’s life as long as possible (heart surgery, cholesterol and blood pressure medication, etc.), and to providing them care that keeps them mobile (knee and hip replacements) and involved socially (ear surgery or hearing aids, eye surgery), is there anyone who wouldn’t eventually need a lot of expensive care, no matter how healthy their lifestyle?

I’m not saying we shouldn’t do it, but let’s be realistic about costs.

I’m not saying we shouldn’t do it, but let’s be realistic about costs.

Skydiving should be compulsory prior to medical care of any sort.

No, he can’t. There is no fucking way that mammography is more expensive than missing out on large amounts of early detection. Cancer treatment is, aside from being an intensely brutal ordeal, fucking expensive. The earlier you catch it, the less it costs the system.

But what about follow-up on cases that turn out not to be cancer? Or treatment of false positive cases in general?

I am CERTAINLY CERTAINLY CERTAINLY not saying that I don’t think that everyone should have yearly mammograms over the age of 50. What I am saying is that there could be a teeny tiny bit of truth to his fucked-up argument.

Oh, and I’m also not saying that false detection/follow-up on cases that turn out to be benign is necessarily any more expensive than treating further-advanced cases. Instead, like cowalker, I am saying that we really don’t know for sure.

Which I guess means there is no truth to Steyn’s argument, actually. Anyway, it doesn’t matter because it’s a ghastly argument whatever the truth may be.

What I am saying is that there could be a teeny tiny bit of truth to his fucked-up argument.

No, there isn’t. What about follow-ups on false positives? What about detected cancers that would have gone away on their own? What about PENIS?

Cost of annual mammograms to women over the age of 60 ~ $3 billion.
Cost of breast cancer ~ $30 billion.

Early detection is going to cut that $30 billion down. Period. Even with the false positives and costs for treatment of them factored in – because none of those treatments are going to be the heavily aggressive and super expensive type since they’d “respond” very well to whatever was tried first.

“McMansions” are a triumph of American capitalism and industry

Because nothing says “freedom” like trapping yourself in a bigger prison.

I cannot think of anything that the government operates more efficiently than the market does.

Here’s Sowell’s false logic in a nutshell.

If the government has to do it, by definition, it cannot be done both efficiently AND comprehensively.

That’s what government is for.

I’m lucky enough to live in Athens which is one of just a few oases of progressive culture in Georgia. The numbers you quote look about right for the rest of the state, honestly.

One claim I can make, though: I was going by this name before any of you ever heard of your Red Sox pitcher!

How can it be a prison if you CHOOSE to live there?

How can it be a prison if you CHOOSE to live there?

Easy. For example, you yourself choose to live in a prison of ignorance and hatred, troofie.

Major Kong-

Yeah. the #1 thing I hate about Atlanta is the traffic. Sprawl isn’t as much of a problem if you stick to the intown neighborhoods. I rarely venture beyond the Perimeter.

Have fun freezing your ass off this winter while I’m hanging out at the beach.

Joe in San Diego

p.s. You seem to have left off the number of assholes per 100,000 people. I believe Mass is in the top 3.

I noticed the same error in infant death rate that Ayatollah Hominy and other did, which made me follow the link. Interestingly, the lowest IDR (4) is that other socialist hell hole, New York.

What does “8th Grade” level math entail? I’m guessing at least basic Algebra. Because if its any lower, being in first place with less than half the population being greater than 8th grade isn’t really much to brag about.

How can it be a prison if you CHOOSE to live there?

Are you suggesting crime is hereditary?

Well, Jawjuh is easier to spell than Massassajusitties.

One thing Brad left out, Massachusetts is truly one of the most corrupt political cesspools on the planet. Every single House Speaker in the last 20 years has left office after being indicted for corruption and influence-peddling and it will never end.

My oh my, better than Georgia? Very impressive. I kid, I kid.

Never been to Massachusetts, so I can’t say much about the place. I have been to Atlanta, and I liked it, but probably will not end up living there.

Pantload’s preference is yet more indication that huge swaths of the GOP have ceded any actual concern for functioning, healthy populations in favor of preferred ideology.

“We’re healthy and educated!”
“UR DOIN IT WRONG!”

(Scardey-cat, cut-and-paste, pants-shitting troll is scardily pasting and cutting. Pants-shittingly.)

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I disagree. Zombie hate literature, zombie snuff is all that is.

Despicable. I shan’t be back.

“McMansions” are a triumph of American capitalism and industry, and a gereat economic value for the consumer as well. And most people freely choose to live in them when they can afford it.

No they aren’t.

They are inwardly directed, overly large and poorly designed pieces of crap built using shoddy materials and quick and dirty methods, that fall apart far before their mortgage is retired, that use resources, greenfields, and energy far out of proportion to their actual utility.

The fact that people buy them only indicates the lack of alternatives in the modern housing market.

Don’t throw your shit over here where I’m working, fella.

McMansion = Particle Board Condom that Breaks, Spewing Ill Tempered Children.

I find your selection of categories a bit biased. I challenge you to use your liberal numbers and commie statistics on mule lovin’. Uh huh. That’s what I thought. Not so smug now, huh?

I live in Georgia.

Don’t live here too. It’s racist as fuck.

One thing we in Massachusetts really suck at is funding for public higher education.

We’re down in Mississippi territory there, typically.

However, in numbers of beavers per capita we’re probably in the top ten.

I’m writing to Gov. Patrick and suggesting a limited beaver hunt to fund our community colleges.

win/win, unless you’re a limited beaver.

And why is Georgia growing so quickly?

Who the hell has been overfeeding Georgia again?

How can it be a prison if you CHOOSE to live there?

Stone walls do not a prison make,
Nor iron bars a cage;
Minds innocent and quiet take
That for an hermitage;
If I have freedom in my love,
And in my soul am free,
Angels alone that soar above
Enjoy such liberty.

Next.

“McMansions” are a triumph of American capitalism and industry, and a gereat economic value for the consumer as well. And most people freely choose to live in them when they can afford it.

No wonder leftists hate them!

No, the problem is a lot of folks who freely chose to live in them when they couldn’t afford them(YouTube link)

LEESBURG, Virginia (Reuters) – Million-dollar fixer-upper for sale: five bedrooms, four baths, three-car garage, cavernous living room. Big holes above fireplace where flat-screen TV used to hang.

The U.S. housing crisis has come to McMansion country.

Just as the foreclosure crisis has hollowed out poorer neighborhoods, “for sale” signs are sprouting in upscale developments so new they don’t show up on GPS navigation screens.

Poor people weren’t the only ones who took out risky, high-interest loans during the housing boom. The sharp increase in housing costs — and the desire to live in brand-new, spacious houses with modern features — led many affluent buyers to take out loans they couldn’t afford.

“People had in their head, ‘I need a mud room, I need giant columns, I need a media room, and I’m going to do anything to get it,”‘ said Robert Lang, co-director of Virginia Tech’s Metropolitan Institute, a research organization that focuses on real estate and development.

Who needs rollercoasters? You ever drive around here?

They should make coasters for Georgia theme parks:
“The Mass Turnpike”,
“The Jamaicaway”,
“Saugus”.

To account for the STD’s, remember, there are at least 2 major military bases in Georgia.

Dude, don’t forget the gay nude beaches. If I ever come to your state, I want some sort of Fodor’s Guide so I can find something cheaper and friendlier than P-Town.

Excellent post, Brad.

I’ve also felt an odd enjoyment when conservatives attack my home-town, Chicago, for its corruption and/or Democratic nature and/or racial politics etc. etc.

It really makes me smile.

Your infant death statistics are mislabeled, and as a result, terrifying. It should be per 1000, not per 100. For a second, I thought it was actually true that almost 1 in 5 babies in Massachusetts died before turning one. Thank god that’s not true, eh?

Let me start by saying I’m in favor of a single-payer Federal Health Plan. That said, your statement or the logic behind it is wrong.

New Hampshire is clearly a better place to live based upon your reasoning. We exceed MA in many of the key metrics you site. For example, we have fewer cancer related deaths (just like Georgia, did you read that chart correctly?). In places where MA is better than NH, the difference is negligible. For example, the $900 more the median MA citizen is making in income, the median NH citizen is saving in taxes.

Taxes gets us to the next point. We have fewer taxes than Massachusetts by far. In fact, other than meal tax, there is no direct tax on people that do not own property. (And although I’m sure the landlords are getting the property tax through rent, I left MA for cheaper rent in a nicer neighborhood in NH, which enabled me to buy my house in NH years before my friends that stayed in MA.)

This ruins your conclusion. NH is clearly as good or better than MA based upon your simple method of reasoning. However, NH has managed to do it without having such a high tax burden.

The truth is, the real difference isn’t how much you tax, but who you tax and how many you need to spend it on. If we have a Federal health plan, the median person in MA, NH, CA, NY, NJ, etc… (i.e. the blue states) will all be taxed more than the median person in GA, AL, MI, LA, etc… (i.e. the red states). Just keep that in mind.

Also keep in mind who you are arguing with. de Dough is a product of the education system you already berated. He and many of his constituents believe they are still fighting the Red Plague from the 50’s. There is only one real argument to make:

The United States of America has a worse health care system than France! The French health care system is #1. France is BETTER than US. The French are better than you. France is better than America. French Health Care Rulez!!11!! America suxor at #37. Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Oman, Morocco and other countries with a tendency to incubate the worlds future terrorists all have BETTER health care than the all mighty US.

That makes my blood boil. It should make lots of Americans angry. At least get people angry enough to wonder how/why France could be better and question if there is maybe some way for the nation that sends people to the moon to figure out how to beat a bunch of sissy Frenchies at the health care game. 😉

The only other argument worth making is:

Who benefits from private health care? Do you own stock in one of the insurance providers and/or pharmaceutical companies? NO! Then you are not getting anything!!!

Even if you are a doctor or nurse, you are a fool if you believe you will make less money under public health care. Only big business will loose money under public health care. Even the pharmaceutical companies will not go out of business under public health care; it certainly will not deter them from attempting to find newer, better cures for all that ails the world.

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