In other words, the reasons the Nazi/No-choice crowd murder, is because a black man was democratically elected.
I guess they had no other choice. (irony or pun?) They were forced to do it. And that Faux Spews et al egged them on, oh well, they were just catapulting the propaganda.
-No offense taken, but this is the Department of Justice taking an end around to deny marriage rights to Gays and Lesbians preemptively. I expected better…
Sorry, wrong venue maybe. I feel like a troll all of a sudden.
CBS News is reporting on the gay marriage dismissal:
“By asking to have this case tossed, the government is simply defending federal law as it currently exists under the so-called Defense of Marriage Act,” said CBS News legal analyst Andrew Cohen. “So it’s neither surprising nor controversial that the feds would take this position. It’s really right now a state issue.”
Anyway, Tommycatt, you’re not the troll, I am. I am now a cut’n’paste troll.
I really do hate to play devil’s advocate for Obama, as he’s done some unequivocally terrible things lately, but I think there is something to the argument that he wants to get health care done first before moving on to other domestic issues.
Not that that’s being handled wonderfully either, mind, with everyone still terrified that he’s going to skip out on another promise and water down the public option.
Personally, I think the whole notion of “political capital” is obsolete with the current batshit insane GOP that will say and do whatever it wants, regardless of “reality” and “facts” and “what people actually said”. But if he thinks delaying other reforms will help him pass a better health care plan, that might be the case.
Please, somebody talk me off the ledge on this, ‘cuz it looks to me like I and my fellow gayz just got thrown under the bus again.
Tommmcatt– you’re not alone in how you feel. Even if the administration felt forced into a corner over defending DOMA as existing law, why the hell did they feel compelled to throw in all these gratuitous, offensive comparisons to cases involving incest and adults marrying children? And they go so far as even extending past religious right claims to try and make same-sex marriage seem bad for the federal budget? This sounds like it was written by a Scalia acolyte, not an administration reluctantly having to uphold a law it finds distasteful.
I’m gonna shut up about this now, though as: 1) it is off-topic and 2) after my loing-winded WT(g**-d*mned)F above, I’m just left pretty speechless.
Ha ha, you guys are definitely rocking back on your heels. Oh my, those PESKY facts! Facts like, the Nazi moron hated Fox News and Christians, a sentiment commonly shared by left wingers as well as right wing tin hats.
It’s what’s known as a “moronic convergence”, when extreme left and right views overlap. The thing is that the right’s fringe lunatics are ON THE FRINGE, while the left’s fringe lunatics are mainstream.
And as far as blaming Obama for this outbreak of violence, it’s simply applying the same logic that Ward Churchill and many on the left espoused was the reason we were attacked on 9/11: chickens coming home to roost, pushback, reaping what we’ve sown, etc. IOW, America’s “bad behavior” forces people to lash out at us.
Of course, that line of reasoning is idiotic. Obama can no more be blamed for “causing” people to resort to violence than America can be blamed for getting attacked. This is because I believe in something called “personal responsibility”, i.e. every individual is 100% responsible for his behavior as it relates to his reaction to the behavior of someone else. If I’m driving down the road and someone cuts me off, and I retaliate by running them off into a ditch, I can’t blame them for my reaction. I CHOSE to react that way.
So your little strawman is on fire. If there are any conservatives who outright blame Obama for any of this violence they are in the minority, and they are wrong.
BTW, your president is trying to strongarm and bully folks again.
Wait a second, Rush was wrong and my strawman is on fire? Rush is on fire? Rush is floating Liberal strawman? Rush says Obama is to blame, is he lighting a strawman on fire? Or did he bring the straw the LIEberals lit it? No wait, it was their straw…
Your little strawman is on fire! Wait… why are you picking up that bucket? DON’T THROW THAT WATER! You cursed brat! Look what you’ve done! I’m melting! melting! Oh, what a world! What a world! Who would have thought a good little girl like you could destroy my beautiful wickedness? Oooooh, look out! I’m going! Oooooh! Ooooooh!
every individual is 100% responsible for his behavior as it relates to his reaction to the behavior of someone else
Unless, of course, the person in question is either a politician with an (R) after their name, or a corporate CEO.
Come to think of it, if we’re going to be idiots and treat corporations like people, shouldn’t “personal responsibility” apply to them as well? A couple “death penalties” for multinationals which kill people through neglect might very well be a proper motivation for reform…
Come on guys, give me a break. If I don’t post at least 20 facts-be-damned posts before he gets home, Keef is going to leave me tied to the sling all night long again. And I’ll only be able to blame myself, personal responsibilty and all that, you know. And to be sure, my asshole is already stretched to the size of a Hummer tire.
The thing is that the right’s fringe lunatics are ON THE FRINGE, while the left’s fringe lunatics are mainstream.
Yes, because you always hear mainstream liberal radio hosts, columnists, and talking heads saying “kill whitey” and “liberate Gaia from her human oppressors” and “9/11 was an inside job.”
However, you NEVER hear prominent conservatives claim that Obama is part of a secret Muslim conspiracy, or that democracy is being replaced by fascism, or that the government is coming to take away your guns and persecute christian white people.
Thanks for the link but John Aravosis, for all his virtues, can’t put a cogent or even coherent argument on paper. I’ll wait for somebody like Glennzilla to look at it.
Limbaugh, Coulter, Hannity, Savage, Malkin, Beck and Levin represent the “fringe” of the Republicans the way Obama and Biden represent the “fringe” of the Democrats.
Also OT, but weren’t the Iranians smelling our weakness and therefore going to overwhelmingly reelect Ahmadinejad?
Rivals in Iran both claim victory in election
TEHRAN, Iran (AP) – Iran’s state news agency reported that President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad won re-election Friday, but his main reformist challenger also confidently claimed victory at a news conference moments earlier.
Iranians packed polling stations Friday from boutique-lined streets in north Tehran to conservative bastions in the countryside with a choice that’s left the nation divided and on edge: keeping hard-line President Ahmadinejad in power or electing Mousavi, a reformist who favors greater freedoms and improved ties with the United States.
Turnout was massive and could break records. Crowds formed quickly at many voting sites in areas considered both strongholds for Ahmadinejad and Mousavi, who served as prime minister in the 1980s and has become the surprise hero of a powerful youth-driven movement. At several polling stations in Tehran, mothers held their young children in their arms as they waited in long lines.
Of course, given the troll’s track record of election predictions…
[Walpin, the guy Obama just canned,] found that Johnson, a former all-star point guard for the Phoenix Suns, had used AmeriCorps grants to pay volunteers to engage in school-board political activities, run personal errands for Johnson and even wash his car.
In August 2008, Walpin referred the matter to the local U.S. attorney’s office, which said the IG’s conclusions seemed overstated and did not accurately reflect all the information gathered in the investigation.
In other words, Walpin withheld info from the U.S. Attorney’s Office.
“We also highlighted numerous questions and further investigation they needed to conduct, including the fact that they had not done an audit to establish how much AmeriCorps money was actually misspent,” Acting U.S. Attorney Lawrence Brown said in an April 29 letter to the federal counsel of inspectors general.
So there was no factual basis for the claims Walpin injected into a political campaign. This, after Walpin referred to the Democrats in D. C. as “the KKK.”
Walpin’s office made repeated public comments just before the Sacramento mayoral election, prompting the U.S. attorney’s office to inform the media that it did not intend to file any criminal charges.
Walpin was trying to throw the election. Do I even need to tell you he’s a GWB appointee? (2007)
The U.S. attorney’s office reached a settlement that requires the St. HOPE Academy to repay nearly $424,000 — almost half of the $850,000 it received — in return for the government lifting its suspension on future grants.
Walpin opposed this settlement. Remember that when wingers fling this in your face as “proof” Walpin was “right.”
Brown said at the time of the settlement that prosecutors determined there was no fraud, but rather a culture of “sloppiness” in St. HOPE’s record-keeping.
Kevin Hiestand, chairman of the board of St. HOPE Academy, said in a statement it was “about time” Walpin was removed. “Mr. Walpin’s allegations were meritless and clearly motivated by matters beyond an honest assessment of our program,” he said.
Walpin was a Bush mole. Now he’s looking for a job.
Sorry to be a cut-n-paste troll, but this just too delicious. Seems like the Iranian opposition has a hero who has inspired them to democratically overthrow Ahmedinijad and the hard line establishment:
The fiery, monthlong campaign unleashed passions and tensions. The mass rallies, polished campaign slogans, savvy Internet outreach and televised debates more closely resembled Western elections than the scripted campaigns in most other Middle Eastern countries.
President Barack Obama said Iran’s “robust debate” leading up to elections shows change is possible there, and it could boost U.S. efforts to engage Tehran’s leadership.
In a sign of the bitterness from the campaign, the Interior Ministry – which oversees voting – said all rallies or political gatherings would be banned until after the announcement of results, expected Saturday.
In the only violent episode to be reported, a campaign organizer for Mousavi said about a dozen Ahmadinejad supporters attacked one of his campaign offices in Tehran with tear gas.
No one was injured, and police quickly dispersed the group, said Saeed Shariati, head of Mousavi’s youth cyber campaign. There was not independent confirmation of the attack.
The cyber campaign ran several Web sites and Facebook pages supporting Mousavi. Authorities blocked at least three of them Friday.
The outcome will not sharply alter Iran’s main policies or sway high-level decisions, such as possible talks with Washington. Those crucial policies are all directly controlled by the ruling clerics headed by the unelected Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.
But Mousavi has offered hopes of more freedoms at home. If elected, he could try to end crackdowns on liberal media and bloggers and push for Iran to embrace Obama’s offer of dialogue after a nearly 30-year diplomatic freeze. He favors talks with world powers over Iran’s nuclear program, which the United States and others fear is aimed at making weapons. Iran says it only seeks reactors for electricity.
Iranians around the world also voted. In Dubai, home to an estimated 200,000 Iranians, the streets around the polling station at the Iranian consulate were jammed with voters overwhelmingly favoring Mousavi.
“He is our Obama,” said Maliki Zadehamid, a 39-year-old exporter.
There’s 50% more rancid pork fat than before in every bag of Galt’s Gulch Brand Chips, the only chip made out of 100% pork and pork byproducts! And every Galt’s Gulch Brand Chip is TRIPLE-FRIED to lock in the oily goodness. Remember – if it doesn’t drip, it’s not our chip!
Please, somebody talk me off the ledge on this, ‘cuz it looks to me like I and my fellow gayz just got thrown under the bus again.
It’s legal S.O.P. – the lawyer for the respondent almost always files a motion for summary dismissal. It means, “Your honor, take a look at this case and just decide the plaintiff can’t win, so you won’t waste the court’s time.”
If a lawyer didn’t file a motion for summary dismissal, that lawyer would be considered seriously inept. It’s automatic, so to speak. However, almost all such motions are denied, unless the case is idiotically frivolous.
Look, the US attorney in the case must do his or her level best to win the case, or frankly, he or she is committing malpractice. In this case, “winning” means letting the lower court (California SC) ruling stand.
Obama and his administration are DA MAN now. There’s going to be cases where the Obama Justice Department has no real choice but to be DA MAN. It’s the adversarial nature of US legal system. So when someone brings a case against the US Government, the Obama Administration, being the current embodiment of that Government, must take the opposing side.
We saw this happen when California AG Jerry Brown first argued against the lawsuit to declare same-sex marriage constitutional. Regardless of Brown’s personal opinion, his office had the duty to argue the State’s case. Then, after Prop 8 and the case went back to the Court, the AG’s office argued exactly the opposite, a case that was driven by Brown himself. That’s just the way the system works.
You’re not going anywhere, Tom, and you know it. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA. Let these other true believing cocksuckers talk you down from the edge again if they want to. True fact shitbird: I can take a giant fucking dump in your face every single day and you’ll still come back and give us money and vote for us and work for us. So choke on that. Rock ‘n roll, motherfucker.
OK, so… so… so, presumably, the Constitutional law professor currently occupying the White House was at least in some way involved in approving this brief for submission–it would be odd for him NOT to be, at least in some capacity, even if it’s a quick “Yeah, looks good, go ahead” from the BlackBerry.
But… but… but what it looks like to me, not that I’m an expert or anything, is, “Here are the points you can’t expect to win on: DOMA was put together by some pretty smart bigots, and they were very careful to avoid technical error, so here are the challenges that are least likely to be successful. We leave it up to you guys at Lambda to figure out the lines of argument that will succeed.”
It’s just real tough to get a read on what the attorneys intended–which marks them as tremendously capable. Absence of evidence isn’t evidence of absence, of course, and this may be purest wishful thinking on my part, but they may be telegraphing how to argue in favor of gay marriage.
OK, so… so… so, presumably, the Constitutional law professor currently occupying the White House was at least in some way involved in approving this brief for submission–it would be odd for him NOT to be, at least in some capacity, even if it’s a quick “Yeah, looks good, go ahead” from the BlackBerry.
Um, no, I wouldn’t have thought so, actually. Do you honestly think he would have time to proofread motions in every case the USG is involved in?
To be fair, Kevin Johnson is my mayor, and he’s an incompetent child molesting piece of shit. He ran on a platform of more sprawl, vanity-based development projects, and opposition to gay marriage, and he just finished giving away a truckload of city money to pay some douchebag to open a nightclub downtown.
He also happened to be bankrolled by Republicans, and then got elected by co-opting Obama’s style and rhetoric. Our mayors race also happened to pit a young black upstart against a white female establishment candidate, so the dynamic made it easy, but still. If someone was trying to bring him down, more power to them.
OK, so… so… so, presumably, the Constitutional law professor currently occupying the White House was at least in some way involved in approving this brief for submission–it would be odd for him NOT to be, at least in some capacity, even if it’s a quick “Yeah, looks good, go ahead” from the BlackBerry.
That’s one of the more foolish suggestions (excluding those made by ‘wingers) that I’ve seen @ S,N! in a while.
Please, somebody talk me off the ledge on this, ‘cuz it looks to me like I and my fellow gayz just got thrown under the bus again.
Well, so long as you don’t go all Brad’ing about over it, I don’t see the problem in you leaving the camp. The federal government’s fucking you over, there’s no reason to accept it just because Obama’s the guy in the office at the time.
I’ve gotten the sense that Obama is really big on procedure. I don’t know what I think of this — is this tone-deafness or legal principle? I really don’t know. IF that’s what it is (and it’s defensible from that perspective, even if it’s not correct), it’s ugly but understandable.
That said, the brief was evidently written by a Mormon Bushie and shouldn’t have been released in that form, and Holder at the very least owes the GLBT community an apology for letting such an inflammatory piece of horseshit get out on his watch. Ideally I’d love to see it handled in a manner akin to the flap over the Special Olympics. (I dropped an email to president@whitehouse.gov (for all the good that’ll probably do) and cc’ed it to my congresscritter.)
This is one of those threads that happen occasionally where the humor kind of fizzles and sputs like a wet fuse, and the rocket never takes off. There’s a little too much whistling past the graveyard here.
Happens on Facebook. Sometimes I put a political post on there, some pithy epigrammatic sort of thing, and suddenly there’s a pissing contest and the whole “Gramma’s pictures of the babies” aspect of Facebook is gone, and there’s this back-and-forth that looks like what people were getting into right before the Civil War, instead.
This country is just barely keeping itself together, I’m starting to realize. If the left has to get militant again, the right is going to start shooting, and we’ll have chaos.
Think of the United States of America as a computer…and dangerous right-wing fanatics as malware.
Or think of the MSM as a computer…and Faux News and the Washington Times as both malware and scareware.
Or think of the Bush/Cheney administration as a computer…with what they did to the executive branch and so many federal agencies (malware), what they did before starting the Iraq War, along with their repeated invocation of 9/11 (scareware) and the illegal wiretapping of U.S. citizens and bypassing of FISA (spyware).
And, of course, when the Bush/Cheney administration decided to trash over two hundred years of American tradition, the Geneva Conventions and the International Convention Against Torture, as well as numerous federal anti-torture statutes, they created a new category…tortureware.
And who were these programmers who decided to reprogram America to fit their warped and twisted conservative vision, the neo-con Republicans with the help of both lapdog Republicans and conservative DLC Blue Dog Democrats…so the header over the Bush/Cheney administration’s malware, scareware, spyware and tortureware activities should be neoconware, a really viral and often lethal “control” program.
Anyone have an anti-virus program that will help? Can we de-bug our democracy before it’s too late, before more right-wingers go berserk and kill even more innocent citizens? Has the Republican Party and conservatives in general become so consumed and compromised by scareware, malware, tortureware and spyware that they are self-erasing before our very eyes? Will the culture of corruption, lies and greed Republican Party crash the computer (our country, our beloved democracy), just as they’ve worked so hard to crash our economy?
Only Dave Berg can bring us together again. Pipe in hand, his character Roger Kaputnik would talk to us screaming left radicals and Rascal-riding birthers and urge us to find our common ground. And then we’d get together and pummel his ass for being a wishy-washy liberal fink (thanks, NatLamp).
Is he the guy who’s constantly using what I can only imagine is the socialized single-payer health system of Mad Magazine, given he’s constantly in a doctor’s office for what must be going on 40 years by now?
Commie pinko bastard, why doesn’t he die of easily-cured illnesses like a real man?
The righties sees hate crime differently than humans do. They find this sort of extremist action as lowbrow at worst, akin to those hillbilly grandmothers that hilariously hold off the authorities with a blunderbuss while their moonshiner sons get the still onto the old Model T out back of the barn and drive away, whooping it up, and John Law gives up and goes back to the office with much chagrined head-shaking.
I’ll give ’em the occasional maniac, because with 350 million citizens to choose from, you’re going to have to suffer a fair number of nutcases going batshit before a trend can be called. That the right fell all over itself denying the shooter was one of their own speaks volumes, of course, but it’s not a wave of violence.
What sweats me is the likelihood of a wave of violence actually occurring, because those fuckers can deny, ridicule, and dismiss, as is their habit, but there are hundreds of thousands of heavily-armed, completely insane assholes out there, and they’re only waiting for the slightest whiff of civil unrest to go out and shoot them some vegetarians/ fags/ colored folk.
I’m a gun-friendly person myself, on a much smaller, left-wing, “it’s okay to make people pass some rudimentary suitability test before they shoot things” kind of scale, so I venture, hobbit-like, into the depths of gun Mordor on occasion. You go to any of the gun forums on the Interwebbing, you will find about 50% of the comments have some reference to: 1) the need to kill for FREEDOM, 2) Barry X. Husssein’s tyranny coming to an end so abrupt that he’s already on the floor when the report is heard from the belltower, and 3) the big Peckinpah style showdown which is imminent.
“Shawna Forde, the executive director of the Minutemen American Defense, is one of three accused in the shooting deaths of 29-year-old Raul Flores and his daughter, 9-year-old Brisenia Flores, at their home in Arivaca, Ariz., a town 10 miles north of the Mexican border.”
Then consider the outrage from the right over the DHS report on right-wing extremism. It ‘insulted’ veterans, pro-lifers etc. … of course, the only real insult in the warning to law enforcement officials was to the law enforcement officials themselves, who are apparently too dumb to look at the current situation (black Democratic president, shattered economy, vets returning from the most traumatic charnel house since Vietnam, etc.) and figure out that they might want to be on the look out for right-wing nutters lashing out.
I joke about the report being an insult to law enforcement, of course. But I do wonder at the surprise some people exhibit when stuff like the Tiller murder or the Holocaust Museum shooting happen … haven’t they been, you know, observing events in the world? It’s like the Ryan Report or the Boston Archdiocese scandal — there are always people gobsmacked at revelations that Catholic priests abused the children in their care, as if this hasn’t been known since the fucking papacy was in Avignon, or you know, the First Council of Nicaea.
How did all you idiots ever come up with the idea that nazis are right wing. Didn’t anyone ever explain to you, that hiltler’s party was called the democratic socialist workers party. Boy, sounds like those guys were sitting around studying the us constitution doesn’t it. Nazis and socialist are almost indistiguishable. They are both left wing fanatics. Sorry left wing fanatics, you are a bunch of nazis and socialists. What do you have against freedom anyway, too stupid to know what it is?
So is Obama supposed to be emitting smoke or something?
Or are those the clouds from the Combine’s Fog Machine?
Ironic that you would do that today.
I’m thinking of leaving the Obama camp for good today as of this motion .
Please, somebody talk me off the ledge on this, ‘cuz it looks to me like I and my fellow gayz just got thrown under the bus again.
I think they caught him during one of his secret cigarette breaks.
Oh, and sorry to go off topic in the second post, but I really am horrified.
Why?
It’ll be important that you not vote a nut in in the next presidential election, but I don’t see any reason to be a blind loyalist.
So is Obama supposed to be emitting smoke or something?
Embraces of the FSM.
Oh, and sorry to go off topic in the second post, but I really am horrified.
You’re going off the reservation over something posted to scribd?
I mean, no offense, but cripes.
Alfred E. Neocon and the usual gang of idiots…
VEGANS ARE THE REAL TERRORISTS, SO TAKE OFF THE ROSE-COLORED GLASSES AND HAVE A REAL LOOK AT THE REALITY OF REALITY, YOU HIPPIE PEACENIKS!!!!!
Blind loyalist? At this point I’m having trouble finding a single issue I haven’t been disappointed on. And now this is just adding insult to injury.
Well done! I think Jaffe would probably appreciate it.
Sometimes, they write themselves.
I think he means “from” when he says “with”.
In other words, the reasons the Nazi/No-choice crowd murder, is because a black man was democratically elected.
I guess they had no other choice. (irony or pun?) They were forced to do it. And that Faux Spews et al egged them on, oh well, they were just catapulting the propaganda.
I’d argue that there are inarguably good things that have happened, but my purpose in posting was to encourage you not to be a happy camper.
No, no, RUGGED, it’s bunnies that are the real terrorists.
Bunnies aren’t just cute like everybody supposes
They got them hoppy legs and twitchy little noses
Pere Ubu
-No offense taken, but this is the Department of Justice taking an end around to deny marriage rights to Gays and Lesbians preemptively. I expected better…
Sorry, wrong venue maybe. I feel like a troll all of a sudden.
So awesome.
Can’t wait for “The Lighter Side Of …”.
BUNNIES ARE **NOT** THE TERRISTS! BADGERS, HOWEVER, ARE ANOTHER STORY.
Boehner subconsciously reveals the GOP strategy: “We’re digging ourselves out of a deep hole,” he admitted. ”
Keep digging, Bonehead, keep on digging.
Social Conservative Spy Vs. Fiscal Conservative Spy?
Or maybe, “Christopath Spy Vs. Oligarch Spy” says it better.
fucking
pelicansbunnies.CBS News is reporting on the gay marriage dismissal:
“By asking to have this case tossed, the government is simply defending federal law as it currently exists under the so-called Defense of Marriage Act,” said CBS News legal analyst Andrew Cohen. “So it’s neither surprising nor controversial that the feds would take this position. It’s really right now a state issue.”
Anyway, Tommycatt, you’re not the troll, I am. I am now a cut’n’paste troll.
See, but it IS the fault of all us liberals, blacks, Mexicans, fags, abortionists, commies, et al.
If we didn’t exist, the wack job wingnut assholes wouldn’t have anything to hate, and hence they wouldn’t have anything to kill.
God damn us all for existing, GOD DAMN US!!1!1!
Moar booze tahlk plz. I really can’t take any more of the mental meltdowns that I’m reading about on the internets.
I really do hate to play devil’s advocate for Obama, as he’s done some unequivocally terrible things lately, but I think there is something to the argument that he wants to get health care done first before moving on to other domestic issues.
Not that that’s being handled wonderfully either, mind, with everyone still terrified that he’s going to skip out on another promise and water down the public option.
Personally, I think the whole notion of “political capital” is obsolete with the current batshit insane GOP that will say and do whatever it wants, regardless of “reality” and “facts” and “what people actually said”. But if he thinks delaying other reforms will help him pass a better health care plan, that might be the case.
Tommmcatt– you’re not alone in how you feel. Even if the administration felt forced into a corner over defending DOMA as existing law, why the hell did they feel compelled to throw in all these gratuitous, offensive comparisons to cases involving incest and adults marrying children? And they go so far as even extending past religious right claims to try and make same-sex marriage seem bad for the federal budget? This sounds like it was written by a Scalia acolyte, not an administration reluctantly having to uphold a law it finds distasteful.
I’m gonna shut up about this now, though as: 1) it is off-topic and 2) after my loing-winded WT(g**-d*mned)F above, I’m just left pretty speechless.
Oh, and it’s liberal fascist spy vs. liberal neo-Nazi spy.
Coming up next: Andy Breitblart’s stupid answers to snappy questions.
Ha ha, you guys are definitely rocking back on your heels. Oh my, those PESKY facts! Facts like, the Nazi moron hated Fox News and Christians, a sentiment commonly shared by left wingers as well as right wing tin hats.
It’s what’s known as a “moronic convergence”, when extreme left and right views overlap. The thing is that the right’s fringe lunatics are ON THE FRINGE, while the left’s fringe lunatics are mainstream.
And as far as blaming Obama for this outbreak of violence, it’s simply applying the same logic that Ward Churchill and many on the left espoused was the reason we were attacked on 9/11: chickens coming home to roost, pushback, reaping what we’ve sown, etc. IOW, America’s “bad behavior” forces people to lash out at us.
Of course, that line of reasoning is idiotic. Obama can no more be blamed for “causing” people to resort to violence than America can be blamed for getting attacked. This is because I believe in something called “personal responsibility”, i.e. every individual is 100% responsible for his behavior as it relates to his reaction to the behavior of someone else. If I’m driving down the road and someone cuts me off, and I retaliate by running them off into a ditch, I can’t blame them for my reaction. I CHOSE to react that way.
So your little strawman is on fire. If there are any conservatives who outright blame Obama for any of this violence they are in the minority, and they are wrong.
BTW, your president is trying to strongarm and bully folks again.
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/06/12/obama-cronyism-going-after-americorps-ig-on-behalf-of-contributor/
Obama is engaging in behavior of which you accused Bush. He is turning out to be everything you said Bush was, but wasn’t. Funny, that.
Okay, now I don’t feel like a troll anymore. What is that awful stench?
personally i prefer spy v. spy.
I crush your head.
damn i’ve got to stop posting my quip before reading everyone else’s comment, i’m always late to the punchline around here.
i meant to say, “i prefer ‘dave berg looks at…‘ “
Wait a second, Rush was wrong and my strawman is on fire? Rush is on fire? Rush is floating Liberal strawman? Rush says Obama is to blame, is he lighting a strawman on fire? Or did he bring the straw the LIEberals lit it? No wait, it was their straw…
Your little strawman is on fire! Wait… why are you picking up that bucket? DON’T THROW THAT WATER! You cursed brat! Look what you’ve done! I’m melting! melting! Oh, what a world! What a world! Who would have thought a good little girl like you could destroy my beautiful wickedness? Oooooh, look out! I’m going! Oooooh! Ooooooh!
I remain the last person on the fucking planet who cares about Ward Churchill.
every individual is 100% responsible for his behavior as it relates to his reaction to the behavior of someone else
Unless, of course, the person in question is either a politician with an (R) after their name, or a corporate CEO.
Come to think of it, if we’re going to be idiots and treat corporations like people, shouldn’t “personal responsibility” apply to them as well? A couple “death penalties” for multinationals which kill people through neglect might very well be a proper motivation for reform…
Rush says Obama is to blame, is he lighting a strawman on fire? Or did he bring the straw the LIEberals lit it? No wait, it was their straw…
We didn’t start the fire.
So your little strawman is on fire.
VEILED PENIS reference?
Tommmcatt, you have way too many consonants, but a troll you’re not.
Massive (or at least lengthy) analysis of the motion over at Aravosis’ orchid garden.
Oh, and troofie, your Mom called. She wants to know why you won’t return her vibrator. And why you haven’t killed yourself.
BTW, your president is trying to strongarm and bully folks again.
In other words, a Republican who pulled a Siegelman stunt got his ass fired.
Good. One less Republican mole.
Now, about the recent surge in rightwing violence. How does it feel for that to be the face of your movement?
Bitch, you don’t know me.
Come on guys, give me a break. If I don’t post at least 20 facts-be-damned posts before he gets home, Keef is going to leave me tied to the sling all night long again. And I’ll only be able to blame myself, personal responsibilty and all that, you know. And to be sure, my asshole is already stretched to the size of a Hummer tire.
Funny that.
In other words, a Republican who pulled a Siegelman stunt got his ass fired.
What’s going on with the Siegelman brouhaha? Is Karl Rove’s ass on its way up the river yet?
The thing is that the right’s fringe lunatics are ON THE FRINGE, while the left’s fringe lunatics are mainstream.
Yes, because you always hear mainstream liberal radio hosts, columnists, and talking heads saying “kill whitey” and “liberate Gaia from her human oppressors” and “9/11 was an inside job.”
However, you NEVER hear prominent conservatives claim that Obama is part of a secret Muslim conspiracy, or that democracy is being replaced by fascism, or that the government is coming to take away your guns and persecute christian white people.
The thing is that the right’s fringe lunatics are ON THE FRINGE, while the left’s fringe lunatics are mainstream.
Rush Limbaugh is now a birther.
I’m sorry, you were saying … ?
Tommmcatt, none of us is 100% happy with Barry Hussein X’s presidency, but consider the alternative.
If McCain had won the election, Sarah Palin would be shooting at you from a helicopter.
Thanks for the link but John Aravosis, for all his virtues, can’t put a cogent or even coherent argument on paper. I’ll wait for somebody like Glennzilla to look at it.
Limbaugh, Coulter, Hannity, Savage, Malkin, Beck and Levin represent the “fringe” of the Republicans the way Obama and Biden represent the “fringe” of the Democrats.
Okay, now I don’t feel like a troll anymore. What is that awful stench?
Wingnut ejaculate– a heady mix of Cheetos, rancid pork fat, and desperation.
Also OT, but weren’t the Iranians smelling our weakness and therefore going to overwhelmingly reelect Ahmadinejad?
Rivals in Iran both claim victory in election
TEHRAN, Iran (AP) – Iran’s state news agency reported that President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad won re-election Friday, but his main reformist challenger also confidently claimed victory at a news conference moments earlier.
Iranians packed polling stations Friday from boutique-lined streets in north Tehran to conservative bastions in the countryside with a choice that’s left the nation divided and on edge: keeping hard-line President Ahmadinejad in power or electing Mousavi, a reformist who favors greater freedoms and improved ties with the United States.
Turnout was massive and could break records. Crowds formed quickly at many voting sites in areas considered both strongholds for Ahmadinejad and Mousavi, who served as prime minister in the 1980s and has become the surprise hero of a powerful youth-driven movement. At several polling stations in Tehran, mothers held their young children in their arms as they waited in long lines.
Of course, given the troll’s track record of election predictions…
More on the troll’s silly story from the AP :
In other words, Walpin withheld info from the U.S. Attorney’s Office.
So there was no factual basis for the claims Walpin injected into a political campaign. This, after Walpin referred to the Democrats in D. C. as “the KKK.”
Walpin was trying to throw the election. Do I even need to tell you he’s a GWB appointee? (2007)
Walpin opposed this settlement. Remember that when wingers fling this in your face as “proof” Walpin was “right.”
Walpin was a Bush mole. Now he’s looking for a job.
Heh.
Sorry to be a cut-n-paste troll, but this just too delicious. Seems like the Iranian opposition has a hero who has inspired them to democratically overthrow Ahmedinijad and the hard line establishment:
The fiery, monthlong campaign unleashed passions and tensions. The mass rallies, polished campaign slogans, savvy Internet outreach and televised debates more closely resembled Western elections than the scripted campaigns in most other Middle Eastern countries.
President Barack Obama said Iran’s “robust debate” leading up to elections shows change is possible there, and it could boost U.S. efforts to engage Tehran’s leadership.
In a sign of the bitterness from the campaign, the Interior Ministry – which oversees voting – said all rallies or political gatherings would be banned until after the announcement of results, expected Saturday.
In the only violent episode to be reported, a campaign organizer for Mousavi said about a dozen Ahmadinejad supporters attacked one of his campaign offices in Tehran with tear gas.
No one was injured, and police quickly dispersed the group, said Saeed Shariati, head of Mousavi’s youth cyber campaign. There was not independent confirmation of the attack.
The cyber campaign ran several Web sites and Facebook pages supporting Mousavi. Authorities blocked at least three of them Friday.
The outcome will not sharply alter Iran’s main policies or sway high-level decisions, such as possible talks with Washington. Those crucial policies are all directly controlled by the ruling clerics headed by the unelected Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.
But Mousavi has offered hopes of more freedoms at home. If elected, he could try to end crackdowns on liberal media and bloggers and push for Iran to embrace Obama’s offer of dialogue after a nearly 30-year diplomatic freeze. He favors talks with world powers over Iran’s nuclear program, which the United States and others fear is aimed at making weapons. Iran says it only seeks reactors for electricity.
Iranians around the world also voted. In Dubai, home to an estimated 200,000 Iranians, the streets around the polling station at the Iranian consulate were jammed with voters overwhelmingly favoring Mousavi.
“He is our Obama,” said Maliki Zadehamid, a 39-year-old exporter.
rancid pork fat
There’s 50% more rancid pork fat than before in every bag of Galt’s Gulch Brand Chips, the only chip made out of 100% pork and pork byproducts! And every Galt’s Gulch Brand Chip is TRIPLE-FRIED to lock in the oily goodness. Remember – if it doesn’t drip, it’s not our chip!
It’s legal S.O.P. – the lawyer for the respondent almost always files a motion for summary dismissal. It means, “Your honor, take a look at this case and just decide the plaintiff can’t win, so you won’t waste the court’s time.”
If a lawyer didn’t file a motion for summary dismissal, that lawyer would be considered seriously inept. It’s automatic, so to speak. However, almost all such motions are denied, unless the case is idiotically frivolous.
Look, the US attorney in the case must do his or her level best to win the case, or frankly, he or she is committing malpractice. In this case, “winning” means letting the lower court (California SC) ruling stand.
Obama and his administration are DA MAN now. There’s going to be cases where the Obama Justice Department has no real choice but to be DA MAN. It’s the adversarial nature of US legal system. So when someone brings a case against the US Government, the Obama Administration, being the current embodiment of that Government, must take the opposing side.
We saw this happen when California AG Jerry Brown first argued against the lawsuit to declare same-sex marriage constitutional. Regardless of Brown’s personal opinion, his office had the duty to argue the State’s case. Then, after Prop 8 and the case went back to the Court, the AG’s office argued exactly the opposite, a case that was driven by Brown himself. That’s just the way the system works.
Bit easy, isn’t it?
You’re not going anywhere, Tom, and you know it. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA. Let these other true believing cocksuckers talk you down from the edge again if they want to. True fact shitbird: I can take a giant fucking dump in your face every single day and you’ll still come back and give us money and vote for us and work for us. So choke on that. Rock ‘n roll, motherfucker.
Hope.
Hang… on… just… one… second…
OK, so… so… so, presumably, the Constitutional law professor currently occupying the White House was at least in some way involved in approving this brief for submission–it would be odd for him NOT to be, at least in some capacity, even if it’s a quick “Yeah, looks good, go ahead” from the BlackBerry.
But… but… but what it looks like to me, not that I’m an expert or anything, is, “Here are the points you can’t expect to win on: DOMA was put together by some pretty smart bigots, and they were very careful to avoid technical error, so here are the challenges that are least likely to be successful. We leave it up to you guys at Lambda to figure out the lines of argument that will succeed.”
It’s just real tough to get a read on what the attorneys intended–which marks them as tremendously capable. Absence of evidence isn’t evidence of absence, of course, and this may be purest wishful thinking on my part, but they may be telegraphing how to argue in favor of gay marriage.
Um, no, I wouldn’t have thought so, actually. Do you honestly think he would have time to proofread motions in every case the USG is involved in?
To be fair, Kevin Johnson is my mayor, and he’s an incompetent child molesting piece of shit. He ran on a platform of more sprawl, vanity-based development projects, and opposition to gay marriage, and he just finished giving away a truckload of city money to pay some douchebag to open a nightclub downtown.
He also happened to be bankrolled by Republicans, and then got elected by co-opting Obama’s style and rhetoric. Our mayors race also happened to pit a young black upstart against a white female establishment candidate, so the dynamic made it easy, but still. If someone was trying to bring him down, more power to them.
“The thing is that the right’s fringe lunatics are ON THE FRINGE, while the left’s fringe lunatics are mainstream.”
the world would be a better place if this were true.
It’s teabaggers vs giant puppets!
OK, who’s the ghostly face in the smoke below the Prez’s head?
Lol @ Combine. HL2 reference ftw.
That’s one of the more foolish suggestions (excluding those made by ‘wingers) that I’ve seen @ S,N! in a while.
Please, somebody talk me off the ledge on this, ‘cuz it looks to me like I and my fellow gayz just got thrown under the bus again.
Well, so long as you don’t go all Brad’ing about over it, I don’t see the problem in you leaving the camp. The federal government’s fucking you over, there’s no reason to accept it just because Obama’s the guy in the office at the time.
Joe Max:
I’ve gotten the sense that Obama is really big on procedure. I don’t know what I think of this — is this tone-deafness or legal principle? I really don’t know. IF that’s what it is (and it’s defensible from that perspective, even if it’s not correct), it’s ugly but understandable.
That said, the brief was evidently written by a Mormon Bushie and shouldn’t have been released in that form, and Holder at the very least owes the GLBT community an apology for letting such an inflammatory piece of horseshit get out on his watch. Ideally I’d love to see it handled in a manner akin to the flap over the Special Olympics. (I dropped an email to president@whitehouse.gov (for all the good that’ll probably do) and cc’ed it to my congresscritter.)
This is one of those threads that happen occasionally where the humor kind of fizzles and sputs like a wet fuse, and the rocket never takes off. There’s a little too much whistling past the graveyard here.
Happens on Facebook. Sometimes I put a political post on there, some pithy epigrammatic sort of thing, and suddenly there’s a pissing contest and the whole “Gramma’s pictures of the babies” aspect of Facebook is gone, and there’s this back-and-forth that looks like what people were getting into right before the Civil War, instead.
This country is just barely keeping itself together, I’m starting to realize. If the left has to get militant again, the right is going to start shooting, and we’ll have chaos.
Kind of a buzzkill in some ways.
Just thought I’d mention it. Buzzkill, man.
Think of the United States of America as a computer…and dangerous right-wing fanatics as malware.
Or think of the MSM as a computer…and Faux News and the Washington Times as both malware and scareware.
Or think of the Bush/Cheney administration as a computer…with what they did to the executive branch and so many federal agencies (malware), what they did before starting the Iraq War, along with their repeated invocation of 9/11 (scareware) and the illegal wiretapping of U.S. citizens and bypassing of FISA (spyware).
And, of course, when the Bush/Cheney administration decided to trash over two hundred years of American tradition, the Geneva Conventions and the International Convention Against Torture, as well as numerous federal anti-torture statutes, they created a new category…tortureware.
And who were these programmers who decided to reprogram America to fit their warped and twisted conservative vision, the neo-con Republicans with the help of both lapdog Republicans and conservative DLC Blue Dog Democrats…so the header over the Bush/Cheney administration’s malware, scareware, spyware and tortureware activities should be neoconware, a really viral and often lethal “control” program.
Anyone have an anti-virus program that will help? Can we de-bug our democracy before it’s too late, before more right-wingers go berserk and kill even more innocent citizens? Has the Republican Party and conservatives in general become so consumed and compromised by scareware, malware, tortureware and spyware that they are self-erasing before our very eyes? Will the culture of corruption, lies and greed Republican Party crash the computer (our country, our beloved democracy), just as they’ve worked so hard to crash our economy?
Only Dave Berg can bring us together again. Pipe in hand, his character Roger Kaputnik would talk to us screaming left radicals and Rascal-riding birthers and urge us to find our common ground. And then we’d get together and pummel his ass for being a wishy-washy liberal fink (thanks, NatLamp).
Is he the guy who’s constantly using what I can only imagine is the socialized single-payer health system of Mad Magazine, given he’s constantly in a doctor’s office for what must be going on 40 years by now?
Commie pinko bastard, why doesn’t he die of easily-cured illnesses like a real man?
If the left has to get militant again, the right is going to start shooting, and we’ll have chaos.
You speak as if the right hasn’t already started shooting …
Shooting more, I guess I mean.
The righties sees hate crime differently than humans do. They find this sort of extremist action as lowbrow at worst, akin to those hillbilly grandmothers that hilariously hold off the authorities with a blunderbuss while their moonshiner sons get the still onto the old Model T out back of the barn and drive away, whooping it up, and John Law gives up and goes back to the office with much chagrined head-shaking.
I’ll give ’em the occasional maniac, because with 350 million citizens to choose from, you’re going to have to suffer a fair number of nutcases going batshit before a trend can be called. That the right fell all over itself denying the shooter was one of their own speaks volumes, of course, but it’s not a wave of violence.
What sweats me is the likelihood of a wave of violence actually occurring, because those fuckers can deny, ridicule, and dismiss, as is their habit, but there are hundreds of thousands of heavily-armed, completely insane assholes out there, and they’re only waiting for the slightest whiff of civil unrest to go out and shoot them some vegetarians/ fags/ colored folk.
I’m a gun-friendly person myself, on a much smaller, left-wing, “it’s okay to make people pass some rudimentary suitability test before they shoot things” kind of scale, so I venture, hobbit-like, into the depths of gun Mordor on occasion. You go to any of the gun forums on the Interwebbing, you will find about 50% of the comments have some reference to: 1) the need to kill for FREEDOM, 2) Barry X. Husssein’s tyranny coming to an end so abrupt that he’s already on the floor when the report is heard from the belltower, and 3) the big Peckinpah style showdown which is imminent.
These people have big, crazy plans.
“Shawna Forde, the executive director of the Minutemen American Defense, is one of three accused in the shooting deaths of 29-year-old Raul Flores and his daughter, 9-year-old Brisenia Flores, at their home in Arivaca, Ariz., a town 10 miles north of the Mexican border.”
Okay, a trend is shaping up. Next thread!
SOTZG – check out Sara’s thoughts on the accelerating trend at Orcinus:
http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2009/06/tragedy-at-holocaust-museum-stand-up-to.html
Then consider the outrage from the right over the DHS report on right-wing extremism. It ‘insulted’ veterans, pro-lifers etc. … of course, the only real insult in the warning to law enforcement officials was to the law enforcement officials themselves, who are apparently too dumb to look at the current situation (black Democratic president, shattered economy, vets returning from the most traumatic charnel house since Vietnam, etc.) and figure out that they might want to be on the look out for right-wing nutters lashing out.
I joke about the report being an insult to law enforcement, of course. But I do wonder at the surprise some people exhibit when stuff like the Tiller murder or the Holocaust Museum shooting happen … haven’t they been, you know, observing events in the world? It’s like the Ryan Report or the Boston Archdiocese scandal — there are always people gobsmacked at revelations that Catholic priests abused the children in their care, as if this hasn’t been known since the fucking papacy was in Avignon, or you know, the First Council of Nicaea.
How did all you idiots ever come up with the idea that nazis are right wing. Didn’t anyone ever explain to you, that hiltler’s party was called the democratic socialist workers party. Boy, sounds like those guys were sitting around studying the us constitution doesn’t it. Nazis and socialist are almost indistiguishable. They are both left wing fanatics. Sorry left wing fanatics, you are a bunch of nazis and socialists. What do you have against freedom anyway, too stupid to know what it is?