What’s Next? Free Gay Marriage For Terrorists?

Powerline blogger Scott Johnson is outraged that Barack Obama has apparently picked up some anti-torture ideas from Andrew Sullivan — who for all his faults has been a reliable and strident voice against waterboarding etc. since at least the Abu Ghraib revelations.

Like Falstaff in reverse, part 2

… As I said yesterday, like Falstaff in reverse, Sullivan is not only stupid, he is the cause of stupidity in others. …

Which would make Obama, in Johnson’s estimation, Prince Hal, only in reverse — an able and prudent leader, who at some point in the future (perhaps his second term? Johnson doesn’t elaborate) loses the plot.

… If Obama weren’t president of the United States, it would be laughable. To expose a man of Obama’s historical ignorance to a diet of Andrew Sullivan is like helping a victim of dehydration with water from, well, the Atlantic.

Yes, “a diet of Andrew Sullivan” would likely prove rather salty. And as a Powerline blogger steps into yet another unintentional double entendre, we can sleep peacefully, knowing all is right in the universe.

Meanwhile, Johnson’s co-blogger is also shocked that a sitting president “has time to read nonsense by an internet shill who, lacking facts to support his argument, makes them up.”

This, of course, has never ever happened before.

Assrocket’s advice: Obama should poach his torture talking points from Ann Coulter. We thank him for his concern.

 

Comments: 148

 
 
 

We few, we happy few, we Powerline bloggers.

 
Rusty Shackleford
 

I saw Falstaff in reverse once, after drinking twelve Falstaffs.

 
 

Yes, “a diet of Andrew Sullivan” would likely prove rather salty.

::clap:: ::clap:: ::clap:: ::clap::

Well played, sir!

 
 

Johnson and Hinderaker also seem to be upset that an influential musician is being publicly celebrated by heirs and contemporaries on the occasion of his birthday.

 
 

Yeah, Pete Seeger and Woody Guthrie … next thing you know, people will be more favorable towards Joe Hill than to goons hired by management to beat the shit out of striking miners.

 
 

Randy Andy may be confused on occasion, but he’s not actually stupid, which certainly can’t be said for the PowerTools boyz.

 
 

Falstaff is a liar and a cheat. Being him in reverse might be a good thing in Notpowerlineland.

 
 

BLOGGER CAGE MATCH!

 
 

I love how righties are convinced that they can make fun of Barack Obama as some stupid, ignorant moron who can’t talk without a teleprompter and that the average citizen will hear their sneer and agree, rather than the average person hearing something that instead makes them think the transmission is suddenly making a funny noise.

After 8 years of singing the praises of literally one of the dumbest, callowest, word-tripping fools to have ever led a national government, they’re trying their darndest to make Barack Obama sound dumb & naive?

It’s funny. This club of morons really has no idea what it means to know stuff and not know stuff, and they get it all mixed up, and they expect everyone to agree with them.

 
 

Obama’s historical ignorance

Huh?

By the way, unless I’m mistaken, doesn’t Prince Hal have Falstaff executed and then goes on to become the great Henry V of Agincourt fame (as alluded to by J— above)?

 
 

I saw Falstaff in reverse once, after drinking twelve Falstaffs.

That would make me see Falstaff’s false staff, only in reverse. Ffatslaf…

 
Xecklothxayyquou Gilchrist
 

Meanwhile, Johnson’s co-blogger is also shocked that a sitting president “has time to read nonsense by an internet shill who, lacking facts to support his argument, makes them up.”

Isn’t that pretty much how Sarah Palin got to be among the contenders for VP candidacy in the first place?

 
Xecklothxayyquou Gilchrist
 

By the way, unless I’m mistaken, doesn’t Prince Hal have Falstaff executed…?

I think he just gets a restraining order (10 miles).

 
 

Maybe Johnson is like a mirror image Volstagg, except upside down and negative.

 
 

Isn’t that pretty much how Sarah Palin got to be among the contenders for VP candidacy in the first place?

That’s different. Sullivan’s grass has no roots.

 
 

Maybe Johnson is like a mirror image Volstagg, except upside down and negative.

Gasbagg

 
 

Who you gonna believe, the charismatic, well-spoken guy who was just decisively elected president, or those Powerline bloggers? The choice is clear, libs.

 
 

I love how righties are convinced that they can make fun of Barack Obama as some stupid, ignorant moron[.]

To me, Scott Johnson is usually the worst offender in this regard. I don’t just mean in reference to Barack Obama, either; while Hinderaker and Mirengoff certainly aren’t shy about calling someone stupid, Johnson does it far more frequently. He often slips it into his US magazine submissions/book reports about musicians who ceased to be interesting decades ago: “Stephen Stills is a political moron . . . who has also been at the heart of outstanding bands as a singer, songwriter and guitarist.”

It’s funny, because Scott Johnson is one of the dumbest people writing on politics–the only person dumber that comes to mind at the moment is Malkin–and he doesn’t realize it.

 
 

To expose a man of Obama’s historical ignorance

Republicans accusing Democrats of historical ignorance is hilarious, given that every 10 or 20 years, the Republicans have a conversation that goes something like, “Let’s start a war!” “Shouldn’t we have a long-term plan, and some solid objectives?” “I don’t see why…” “Well, I seem to recall several previous wars in which-” “You know what, get this guy out of the room. This meeting is for patriots only.”

 
Xecklothxayyquou Gilchrist
 

I love how righties are convinced that they can make fun of Barack Obama as some stupid, ignorant moron[.]

I think it’s part of their floundering around without direction lately – they’re copying everything the Democrats did to punk the Permanent Majority, only smaller and shittier. The liberals made fun of Bush for being stupid, so they figure they’ll try it with Obama. It’s political cargo-cultism, IMO.

 
 

By “Falstaff in reverse,” I believe he’s talking about the Verdi opera, not the Shakespearean character. Take any decent recording (my personal fav is a live 1982 at the Salzburg festival with Herbert von Karajan conducting the Wiener Philharmoniker) and pay it backwards. One can clearly hear Obama is the wussy antichrist.

 
 

yo yo yo sadly no the mittstah’s got a rhyme criminal enough to do time if ya feels me give me a MITT YEAHHHHHHHHH

 
Xecklothxayyquou Gilchrist
 

Take any decent recording (my personal fav is a live 1982 at the Salzburg festival with Herbert von Karajan conducting the Wiener Philharmoniker) and pay it backwards.

Of course an 80s version would have backward-masked secret messages! I think they were required for every LP in those days.

 
 

“Can I getta TAX CUT?”

 
 

We should also remember that Scott Johnson is a bank manager, obsessed with “manliness,” loves puns, and is always giving lessons and talking about how intelligent he is.

I bet he has tons of friends.

 
 

Republicans accusing Democrats of historical ignorance is hilarious, given that every 10 or 20 years, the Republicans have a conversation that goes something like, “Let’s start a war!” “Shouldn’t we have a long-term plan, and some solid objectives?” “I don’t see why…” “Well, I seem to recall several previous wars in which-” “You know what, get this guy out of the room. This meeting is for patriots only.”

There was a really interesting program on the History Channel last night called The Art of War, comparing Sun Tzu’s philosophies to modern warfare.

Altho they never came out and said it, the Iraq war as backdrop to the program was immistakable, talking about how Sun always stressed that no war should be fought unless there was a plan to win it, and a plan to heal the opponent afterwards.

 
 

By “Falstaff in reverse,” I believe he’s talking about the Verdi opera, not the Shakespearean character.

Charles Johnson and opera go together like Andrew Sullivan and Hustler magazine.

 
 

Argh, wrong Johnson.

Boy, how many times in my life have I said that????

 
 

I think by “Falstaff in reverse” Big Trunk/Johnson is denying Sullivan’s love for sac.

 
 

Scott Johnson is a bank manager, obsessed with “manliness,” loves puns

So not all bad then.

 
 

Argh, wrong Johnson.

Boy, how many times in my life have I said that????

That’s okay. After all, thinking about Wiener Philharmoniker could cause anyone to go for the wrong Johnson.

 
 

That’s okay. After all, thinking about Wiener Philharmoniker could cause anyone to go for the wrong Johnson.

Love the one you’re with, I guess…

 
 

I see what tigrismus did there.
Wherein is he good, but to taste sack and drink it?

 
commie atheist
 

Another Kiwi said,
May 4, 2009 at 21:18

Falstaff is a liar and a cheat. Being him in reverse might be a good thing in Notpowerlineland.

Exactly. Falstaff was there as an example to Prince Hal of how not to behave, an opportunity for Hal to be “among the people, but not of them” and their amoral, hedonistic ways.

These idiots know about as much about literature as they do about everything else, which is to say, nada.

 
 

Ann Coulter’s response to being asked if she’ll be waterboarded:
“No, are you willing to be aborted?”

And powertools thinks this is a witty comeback. I hope the rest of the right joins in. It would totally hurt pro-choice efforts for anti-abortion activists to connect themselves to torture. There’s no link between the childish and largely fear based desire to control the bodies of two groups of others, here.
The real question with Coulter is whether she’s a dom, a sub, or whether she’s… ‘evolved’ beyond such simplistic categories in her sexual perversions.

 
George Santayana
 

Republicans accusing Democrats of historical ignorance is hilarious, given that every 10 or 20 years, the Republicans have a conversation that goes something like, “Let’s start a war!” “Shouldn’t we have a long-term plan, and some solid objectives?” “I don’t see why…” “Well, I seem to recall several previous wars in which-” “You know what, get this guy out of the room. This meeting is for patriots only.”

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to be Republicans.

 
 

The real question with Coulter is whether she’s a dom, a sub, or whether she’s… ‘evolved’ beyond such simplistic categories in her sexual perversions.

I’m told she’s a combination of the two.

That’s right, she’s “dumb”.

 
 

Who are Pistol and Fluellen in this analogy? If it is all going to degenerate into forcible leek-eating, I want plenty of warning.

 
commie atheist
 

Boy, they really have a problem with George Soros on that blog, don’t they? What’s up with that?

 
Rusty Shackleford
 

OT: Rude coworker unleashes cavalcade of butthurt at Big Failywood

 
 

So at the battle of Harfleur, was there a guy inside the walls yelling “For Louis, Louisville, and Saint Louis!”?

 
 

Recently, at the office (a place I sometimes affectionately refer to as Obama Central), I made the mistake of printing out a Washington Post editorial that questioned the foreign policy expertise of our new Commander-in-Chief. By the time I got to the printer to pick it up, someone else had already seen it – and stamped “DENIED” across the top of the page in red ink. Next to that was scrawled, “RIGHT WINGER GO HOME.”

The first thing that went through my mind was: cross burnings. The second was: children are evil (my workplace is overrun by hundreds of twentysomethings).

I will bet the third thing was not, “I shouldn’t waste company time and resources printing out personal reading.”

 
 

cavalcade of butthurt
A stream of pedantic quibbling? Surely the word is ‘cavilcade’.

 
Rusty Shackleford
 

Brilliantly played, M. Clyde. That is – how you say? – le bon mot, or in other words, le mot juste.

 
 

the man at the centre of the cavilcade
has learnt to tie his boots
in the back of his car
in the null and void he sees
the man at the centre of the cavilcade
can choose between coffee and tea
In the boulevard – the cavilcade holds sway

 
 

“Yes, “a diet of Andrew Sullivan” would likely prove rather salty.”

Only if you shove it down their throats. That’s how they like it.

 
 

So Hindraker is Hotspur and J-Lo is the “bitch who howls in Irish”?

 
 

Holy crap, what kind of self-centered moron pens a stern accusation that all who differ with him politically are fascists just because some coworker is a prize-winning asshole? It is to larf, too: when Barbra Streisand told a persistent heckler to “shut the fuck up” during her show, Winecoff wrote a tongue-clucking, more in sorrow than in anger piece accusing Streisand of trying to “shout down” “the[sic] hoi polloi.” I guess heckling assholery is OK if it’s his side doing it.

 
 

Oh, Mr. Clyde, you show your Devototion to fine music. Just be careful you don’t get shot by both sides.

 
 

I scanned through that ocean of tears at BigHo. I notice he doesn’t link to the WaPo edimaorial. I used teh gazoogler but I can’t find any recent WaPo editorial that seems to fit. There are some blog entries so perhaps he’s using the term ‘editorial’ a little loosely. Not that he would ever try to mislead his readers, I am sure.

So, here’s the deal: He opens with

I made the mistake of printing out a Washington Post editorial that questioned the foreign policy expertise of our new Commander-in-Chief

. If you haven’t looked at it (and I understand completely why you might not have) I want to note that the entire page is littered with agitprop type renderings, mostly of an Obama=fascist bent.

Now, I wanted to see the actual “editorial” because I suspect that even the WaPoop would make the context in an editorial about O’s foreign policy experience the context of President Obama. What I mean is, I doubt the WaPoopyloopy would strongly link foreign policy with the CinC role. I suspect that linkage is made more in the projection room that is Whineycough’s psyche than in the alleged editorial.

Sorry to be so analytical and snarkless but I notice these things and enjoy pointing them out.

 
commie atheist
 

Recently, at the office (a place I sometimes affectionately refer to as Obama Central), I made the mistake of printing out a Washington Post editorial that questioned the foreign policy expertise of our new Commander-in-Chief. By the time I got to the printer to pick it up, someone else had already seen it – and stamped “DENIED” across the top of the page in red ink. Next to that was scrawled, “RIGHT WINGER GO HOME.”

The first thing that went through my mind was: cross burnings.

The second thing: Dr. Josef Mengele’s fiendish human experiments. Also.

 
Rusty Shackleford
 

The first thing that went through my mind was “Ashley Todd.”

 
Xecklothxayyquou Gilchrist
 

The second thing: Dr. Josef Mengele’s fiendish human experiments. Also.

The third thing: this.

 
 

…the Obama generation doesn’t think twice about openly ridiculing folks who don’t follow in lockstep.

What! Not only do they ridicule those who disagree with them, they do so openly! They don’t even have the decency to do their ridiculing in a nice, low-profile, anonymous forum like Rush Limbaugh’s radio show.

 
 

Damn you XG, you little pig fucker! I clicked that link. I had, until you’re nasty, mean, vile trick, forgotten entirely about those loons.

Excuse me – I gotta go to the gin store now.

 
 

Winecoff writes that he ‘prefers that kind of hate’ represented by some nut in a truck literally trying to kill him and his boyfriend, to the anonymous co-worker who marked up his print-out.

 
Xecklothxayyquou Gilchrist
 

I had, until you’re nasty, mean, vile trick, forgotten entirely about those loons.

And I inserted microchips to increase the pain!

Um, sorry.

 
 

Being disagreed with is WORSE THAN HITLER

 
 

Of course, D.A., because the trucker hates Winecoff for being gay, whereas the coworker hates him for being a wingnut douchenozzle, which is far far worse.

 
 

To expose a man of Obama’s historical ignorance to a diet of Andrew Sullivan is like helping a victim of dehydration with water from, well, the Atlantic.

Why, O why can’t someone make a reading list for Obama, just like they did for Bush?!

 
 

Why, O why can’t someone make a reading list for Obama, just like they did for Bush?!

Was going to make a “The Pet Goat” joke, but I just remembered from reading “Dreams From My Father” that Obama had an actual pet goat when he lived in Indonesia. Just thought I’d share that.

 
 

One thing is certain – this is good news for McCain.

 
Big Bad Bald Bastard
 

I just remembered from reading “Dreams From My Father” that Obama had an actual pet goat when he lived in Indonesia.

Thus, Mickey Kaus developed his unending jealousy of BHO.

 
 

Xecklothxayyquou Gilchrist said,

May 4, 2009 at 21:34 (kill)

The liberals made fun of Bush for being stupid, so they figure they’ll try it with Obama. It’s political cargo-cultism, IMO.

Whoa…that’s exactly what it is. Like that Daily Show ripoff Fox Snooze had. They ape the motions with no earthly idea why.

I believe you have cracked the problem of Unified Wingnut Theory.

 
 

Teleprompter. Also. Affirmative action. Suck it, libs!

 
 

Damn you XG, you little pig fucker!

Don’t knock it ’til you’ve tried it, big boy.

I clicked that link. I had, until you’re nasty, mean, vile trick, forgotten entirely about those loons.

What? Nutjobs don’t leave Chick tracts all over your Post Office? Lucky bastard.

 
 

By the way, I’ll gladly be a terrorist if I get a free gay marriage out of it. As long as it’s a faaaaabulous gay marriage. My first (and only and current) gay marriage happened twenty years ago when we were quite poor.

 
Big Bad Bald Bastard
 

By the way, I’ll gladly be a terrorist if I get a free gay marriage out of it.

I think a fabulous gay marriage would be considered inherently “terroristic” by the pearl-clutching Prop 8 proponents.

My fax from the Soros compound, though, suggests that you launch your reign of terror by TPing a Cinnabon.

 
 

The first thing that went through my mind was: cross burnings. The second was: children are evil (my workplace is overrun by hundreds of twentysomethings).

I will bet the third thing was not, “I shouldn’t waste company time and resources printing out personal reading.”

And the fourth thing was not, “I was planning to anonymously shove my political opinion into my co-workers’ faces, but then my co-workers anonymously shoved their political opinion into my face. NO FAIR!”

Ye godz. “Cross burnings”. Yes, I’m sure he was in fear of being dragged out of his office, beaten, and hung from a tree, because that kind of thing happens all the time in industrial office parks.

 
 

The first thing that went through my mind was: cross burnings.

We all do this. Something happens that makes you feel annoyed or depressed so you think of something you like to cheer yourself up. Some people think of raindrops on roses. Some people think of whiskers on kittens. Some people think of cross burnings.

 
 

Rusty Shackleford said,
May 4, 2009 at 22:33
OT: Rude coworker unleashes cavalcade of butthurt at Big Failywood

It’s amazing how many different ways there are to say “We Lost? Waaaaaahhhhhhhhh!!!!”.

 
 

Anti-gay, anti-black, gay, black-dating Winecoff has every reason to be afraid, very afraid.

Charles … the calls are coming from inside your head!!!!!

 
 

Yeah, but has Obama read 3 Shakespeares and a Jesus?

 
 

has Obama read 3 Shakespeares and a Jesus?

Do they walk into a bar?

 
 

Well, after championing the people’s uprising that was the Teabaggers -you know, all those ordinary Americans, getting politically active for the first time, raising their voices to let the government hear their opinions – Rush Limbaugh is back to advocating for top-down rule:

“I maintain that when a politician says we have to listen to the American people and learn, we are pandering. We’re not leading.”

To hell with listening to what people want. The Republicans are going to tell them what they want. What a champion of democracy.

 
The Tragically Flip
 

Of course, D.A., because the trucker hates Winecoff for being gay, whereas the coworker hates him for being a wingnut douchenozzle, which is far far worse.

Yeah, this. He claims “Whoever defaced the page had no way of knowing who had printed it out” – but anyone as wingnutty as him must just reek of crazy pheromones and he probably can’t help himself making teleprompter and tire gauge jokes. His home page is probably Drudge – does he think people don’t notice?

Then there’s the “editorial” I suspect it was an op-ed … was it by Will, Krauthammer or one of the half dozen rotating neo-conservative warmongers that the Post publishes weekly? Note to conservatives: the WaPo publishes a lot of right wing extremists. We recognize names like “Kristol” and “Wolfowitz” and they don’t stop being dead give aways of lunacy just because Fred Hiatt prints their drivel.

 
 

GAH! I clicked through to the Big Butthurt site. I don’t know what disgusts me more, how disengenuous Whinecoff is or how fanatical and bizarre the commentariat there is.
It’s just amazing to me that the American “Left” (hah! I’m a fucking Republican- or was, 15 years ago) hasn’t turned eliminationist. The right wing in the U.S. is, how you say? Nucking Futs.

 
 

Who prints op-eds at the workplace?

 
 

“‘a diet of Andrew Sullivan’ would likely prove rather salty”

And milky.

 
Big Bad Bald Bastard
 

Who prints op-eds at the workplace?

A passive/aggressive freak who’s just looking for something to whine about.

 
The Tragically Flip
 

The Winecoff piece goes on ad weepium.

It’s really rich with nuggets:

Self-deception, Peck states, is the number one risk factor for evil, easier to maintain in groups – like MoveOn.org, Al-Qaeda, Queers for Palestine, Rachel Maddow’s Facebook page – than individually.

Rachel Maddow’s facebook page is “evil” evidently.

So when did groupthink suddenly become cool? When did words start meaning the opposite of what they were intended to mean? When did “progressive” come to mean ”do nothing,” and “conservative” mean “progressive” (i.e. “do something”)?

Uhm…what?

 
 

That absurdum won’t reduce itself!
…Oh, it has already. My mistake.

 
 

When did “progressive” come to mean ”do nothing,” and “conservative” mean “progressive” (i.e. “do something”)?

“Do nothing” as in trying to stimulate the economy, and “do something” as in voting against it?

 
The Tragically Flip
 

The comments there are amazing. They want him to run for President, really find image macros amusing and poignant and they find his use of Invasion of the Body Snatchers to describe his adversaries as brainwashed is highly original and meriting many plaudits.

 
Big Bad Bald Bastard
 

Rachel Maddow’s facebook page is “evil” evidently.

You should see her fascesbook page.

 
 

Who prints op-eds at the workplace?

Is this a habit for him? What does he do with them? Could the fascist, oppressive comrade have been acting preemptively, one wonders.

What a drama queen.

 
 

has Obama read 3 Shakespeares and a Jesus?

Do they walk into a bar?

The first Shakespeare says to the barman, “I would give all my fame for a pot of ale.”

The barman says, “Mild or bitter?”

The second Shakespeare says to the barman, “I pray you, do not fall in love with me, For I am falser than vows made in wine.”

The barman says, “Now worries, mate. I don’t go that way anyway.”

The third Shakespeare says to the barman, “Drink sir, is a great provoker of three things….nose painting, sleep and urine. Lechery, sir, it provokes, and unprovokes; it provokes the desire but takes away the performance.”

The barman says, “We do have a large selection of low-alcohol and non-alcoholic beverages, sir.”

And Jesus says, “No one puts new wine into old wineskins. If he does, the new wine will burst the skins and it will be spilled, and the skins will be destroyed. 38 But new wine must be put into fresh wineskins. 39 And no one after drinking old wine desires new, for he says, ‘The old is good.’”

Well it killed ’em at the Globe.

 
The Tragically Flip
 

I think I’m going to become a right wing blogger. My metaphor using The Manchurian Candidate to describe my fears that Obama is going to surrender America to its enemies will probably win me some kind of Scaife scholarship for unprecedented right wing originality.

Then, in my opus, I will employ Mr. Smith Goes To Washington to implore Republican senators to stick to their guns in opposing the Obama agenda. No one in history could have imagined applying that obscure film to Senate politics.

 
 

Mentis Fugit: Impressive.

 
 

Self-deception is … easier to maintain in groups … when did groupthink suddenly become cool?

When you started getting groping hugs and sloppy wet kisses for your AWESOMENESS from the dogpile at Big Hollywood Has-Beens/Never-Weres?

 
 

g said,

May 5, 2009 at 1:37

Who prints op-eds at the workplace?
================================================
Some of that goes on in my workplace.

Especially I find editmatorials claiming Obama’s policies are socialism/Marxism.

I guess it is the end times, at last.

🙁

 
The Tragically Flip
 

Here’s a comment:

I take particular delight in attending University as a 40 something year old with the time and resourses to go while the kids are in class and in force, i.e. in the daytime five days a week, not a night like a normal adult. I’m respectful but ready, go ahead mention habeus corpus for enemy combatants, just be able to argue your case. They usually can’t, and usually won’t….youth is truly wasted on the young; to badly paraphrase…

This is dedication in trolling, to spend tens of thousands of dollars, never mind opportunity costs to tell kids to get off your lawn.

 
Big Bad Bald Bastard
 

I think I’m going to become a right wing blogger.

One caveat, TTP, is that the wingnut welfare well has run dry, so no BIG BUX 4U.

If you do decide to go this route, make sure you buy a large hardcover copy of the ole “Strunk und DrangWhite”. Proceed to beat yourself over the head with said “S&W” until your entire knowledge of grammar, composition, and spelling are obliterated. Then, and only then can you even begin to approach the empyrean heights attained by Swank/Yank, and the other cranks.

 
 

In wingville, the dumbest are smartest.

 
 

yes, “a diet of andrew sullivan” would likely prove rather salty.

i literally lol’d.

 
 

The barman says, “We have a fine selection of Chateau Margaux, for Christ’s sake. Cash or credit?”

 
 

Resourses? Let me guess: engineering. And oh, his GPA!

 
 

Shakespeare ordered a glass of Lachryma Christi. Jesus wept.

 
The Tragically Flip
 

not a[t] night like a normal adult.

Well, he’s right about that part.

 
 

Grizzly Bear, Brutus is best man at wedding.

Wingnuts would probably go ballistic. Man’s dominion, sport shooting, and all.

 
 

go ahead mention habeus corpus for enemy combatants, just be able to argue your case

Some people already argued the case. The Supreme Court wrote a little summary of it. Perhaps he should check it out.

I love these people. They really think they’re entitled to their own reality. That’s why we’re still talking about torture. If torture is anything, it’s ILLEGAL. Yet, they’re still having philosophical discussions about whether it’s legal sometimes.

Also, he spelled habeas wrong.

 
 

Strunk und Drang

Ah. I gather someone else saw a bit too much of that text in the past. You didn’t attend a New York state public school, did you?

i.e. in the daytime five days a week, not a night like a normal adult. I’m respectful but ready, go ahead mention habeus corpus for enemy combatants, just be able to argue your case. They usually can’t, and usually won’t….youth is truly wasted on the young; to badly paraphrase…

Meanwhile, is this translated by Babelfish from the original Etruscan? ‘Cause it sure as hell looks like English, but it ain’t making any sense.

 
 

just be able to argue your case

Just off the top of my head… they’re human beings who deserve a modicum of respect? 200+ years of American legel precedent and the principle “innocent until proven guilty”? The fact that “enemy combatant” is a load of bullshit from a legal standpoint? The fricking Consitution, for crissake?

You mean the commenter’s asking us to believe nobody in a university environment can possibly come up with equivalent defenses? Where’s he attending college, Liberty University?

 
 

I always thought that something like habeas corpus was simultaneously a right and protection for the accused and an intrinsic limit on the behavior of government officials.

But since no modern ‘conservative’ could dare consider intrinsic limits on government authority and procedures without regard to the identity of the individual being affected, instead we have to pretend like every law, restraint, and right is entirely dependent on the identity or perceived biography of the individual facing government authority.

You know, because ‘conservatives’ are so enamored of ‘libertarianism’ that they feel entirely free writing innumerable ‘get out of this law free’ cards based on their mood or what someone has said about this guy they’re about the f*** up.

 
 

Ye godz. “Cross burnings”. Yes, I’m sure he was in fear of being dragged out of his office, beaten, and hung from a tree, because that kind of thing happens all the time in industrial office parks.

If only.

It would certainly render Dilbert obsolete.

 
 

O/T: Awesome smackdown of Cliff Kincaid of “Accuracy in Media” by Glenzilla:

http://firedoglake.com/2009/05/04/mr-greenwald-gets-a-letterand-writes-one/

 
 

Who prints op-eds at the workplace?

The same douchecannons who send around rightwing emails. In 15 years of receiving email, I don’t recall ever getting a mass “forward” that had a liberal slant. Whether it’s relatives or coworkers, the only people who do that sort of shit are conservatives.

So in short, the butthurt dude who printed the editorial should tonguejack my fuckin’ shitbox and shut the fuck up.

 
Mo's Bike Shop
 

Wow. I just saw the the “Sarah Palin Moosehunter Rifle.”

What if we’ve mistaken her real influence? I mean, it looks like the NRA has been taken over by the Manga nuts.

 
 

Obama citing Sullivan’s not nearly as disturbing as his citing Winston “Let’s Gas The Darkies” Churchill, who became a minor saint in wingnut hagiography recently, for reasons that elude me. Racism? Imperialism? The fact that a dead man can’t tell them to eat a bag of dicks? IT IS A MYSTERY.

A diet of Scott Johnson would be awesome – for a coprophile.

 
 

The wingnuts love Churchill because they want a World War II leader to admire and God forbid they pick FDR.

Stalin’s out of the running for obvious reasons.

 
Cletus von Clausewitz
 

…third Shakespeare says: Now, gods, stand up for bastards!
Jesus says: I’m two for two!

 
 

…third Shakespeare says: Now, gods, stand up for bastards!

First Jesus says, “I’ll cure it soon,
Abolish Monday mornings and Friday afternoons”

 
Cletus von Clausewitz
 

…third Shakespeare says: If music be the food of love, then play on!
Churchill says: In the morning I’ll be sober and you’ll still be ugly!
Jesus says: Don’t try to hurt me, I’ll still love you in the morning, Winston.

 
 

The wingnuts love Churchill because they want a World War II leader to admire and God forbid they pick FDR.
Stalin’s out of the running for obvious reasons.

That leaves one other. Can’t remember his name. They didn’t invite him to Yalta.

 
 

Churchill has become a hero to the wingnuts because they can’t admit that FDR won WWII.

 
 

That leaves one other. Can’t remember his name. They didn’t invite him to Yalta.

Captain America?

 
 

Shakespeare says, “Good friend, for Jesus’ sake…”
Jesus says, “Keep my name outta your mouth”.

 
 

No, he received the invitation, but on account of the dyslexia he ended up in Malta instead.

 
 

Churchill taught the wingnuts everything they know about political rhetoric. Don’t you remember this classic battle of wits?
“Lord Churchill, if you were my husband I should flavor your coffee with poison!”
“Madam, that may be so, but you use a teleprompter and also ACORN also.”

 
 

Apropos of nothing: the ordinary brilliance of George Orwell, and how not even Christopher Hitchens can turn him into a raving warmonger. From his As I Please column, 1943:

Reading the discussions of “war guilt” which reverberate in the correspondence columns of the newspapers, I note the surprise with which many people seem to discover that war is not crime. Hitler, it appears, has not done anything actionable. He has not raped anybody, nor carried off any pieces of loot with his own hands, nor personally flogged any prisoners, buried any wounded men alive, thrown any babies into the air and spitted them on his bayonet, dipped any nuns in petrol and touched them off with church tapers — in fact he has not done any of the things which enemy nationals are usually credited with doing in war-time. he has merely precipitated a world war which will perhaps have cost twenty million lives before it ends. And there is nothing illegal in that. How could there be, when legality implies authority and there is no authority with the power to transcent national frontiers?

At the recent trials in Kharkov some attempt was made to fix on Hitler, Himmler and the rest the responsibility for their subordinates’ crimes, but the mere fact that this had to be done shows that Hitler’s guilt is not self-evident. His crime, it is implied, was not to build up an army for the purpose of aggressive war, but to instruct that army to torture its prisoners. So far as it goes, the distinction between an atrocity and an act of war is valid. An atrocity means an act of terrorism which has no genuine military purpose. One must accept such distinctions if one accepts war at all, which in practice everyone does. Nevertheless, a world in which it is wrong to murder an individual civilian and right to drop a thousand tons of high explosive on a residential area does sometimes make me wonder whether this earth of ors is not a loony-bin made use of by some other planet.

 
 

Mo’s Bike Shop said,

May 5, 2009 at 3:39

Wow. I just saw the the “Sarah Palin Moosehunter Rifle.”

What if we’ve mistaken her real influence? I mean, it looks like the NRA has been taken over by the Manga nuts.

I had to go and google. Not that I don’t trust Mo’s Bike Shop.

Chambered for .50 Beowulf instead of the standard 5.56mm cartridge, this special AR features several custom engravings. The Big Dipper is on the magazine well, an outline of the state of Alaska is on the stock, and on the upper receiver are a moose, the NRA logo and an inscription, “In Honor of Governor Sarah Palin.”

The .50 Beowulf?

I’m guessing the compensator is awesome.

 
 

One of its advertised uses is at vehicle checkpoints, since the heavy bullet’s flight path is not easily deflected by auto glass or standard vehicle body panels.

Not really a hunting rifle, then?

 
 

Well, off topic and all, but this little ditty in my inbox might be just the invitation I’ve been looking for – some kind of fun…

Welcome to the Chris Simcox campaign for the United States Senate.

This is where you get to know me as a person and as a candidate.

This is where I share my thinking with you on issues, where you get news on the campaign from my perspective.

This effort is different than any campaign you may have been a part of before. This is your campaign, not mine. This is about shaking up the status quo and getting people back to common sense basics.

Imagine if this was the template or paradigm established for all campaigns for public office: candidate starts with supporters, a website and a bank account with a balance of $0 then spends the next months being interviewed by the people he asks to hire him, discussing their views and vision for representing the people of Arizona in the United States Senate.

Let’s have a conversation about the job of a senator. It’s a good place to start to get to know me and where I stand on the issues. Together we can analyze if the incumbent is making the grade when it comes to performance based on job description.

Do Senators like John McCain and Arlen Specter consider their elected positions as being “lifelong”? Does this attitude result in their losing respect for the people who hired them?

Or do you, the American people, accept that the way senators act and behave now as “just the way it is”?

I see this as the primary reason for the great “disconnect” we hear discussed in the media.

Arlen Specter wants to remain a senator but, due to his own behavior and voting record, does not want to face the actual primary voters who put him into office. He switched parties in an effort to pull a political stunt that is his only shot at retaining his seat. What Arlen Specter cares about is himself: it’s all about him.

John McCain wanted to be president a whole lot more than we, the base, wanted him to be president. Yet through Democrats cross voting in Republican primaries, he got his way, and frankly, a lot of people stayed home in the general election.

McCain wants to remain a senator – but does he really represent the voters of Arizona?

This seat is for the voters of Arizona to fill. Let’s take this opportunity to define what we want in a senator.

What do we want to say to Congress about how they are performing based on job description?

Send me comment and questions to get the discussion started.

Excuse me while I send this guy comment.

 
 

Excuse me while I send this guy comment.

Meet the Simscox!

 
 

Chris Simcox wants to stick to the man.

[rimshot]

OK, sorry. Here’s my prediction: Raving anti-immigrant loony draws off enough Republican votes to knock McCain out of the running. Heady with his success, raving anti-immigrant loony forgets that nearly 30% of the state’s population is guaranteed to think he’s a festering dickhole, ramps up the anti-Hispanic rhetoric and the Democrats get another Senate seat.

 
a concerned citizen
 

Incidentally, “Fall-staff” is K. Lo’s nickname around the office.

 
 

Wow. I just saw the the “Sarah Palin Moosehunter Rifle.”

Oh my: it’s Killer Kitsch!
A modified AR-15 chambering .50 rounds?
Mooseburger, you betcha … hell, more like Moose-Slushie.

 
 

“Who prints op-eds at the workplace?”

Well…me for one. I take whatever news/opinion piece I think is interesting with me to the “reading room”. I certainly don’t pin them up anywhere; they’re not for anybody but me.

“Fall-staff” is K. Lo’s nickname around the office.

I thought it was “Fail-staff.” Or is that the name for everyone at NRO?

 
 

Yummm. Moose-blueberry slushie!

 
 

Some are Staff-Fail.

 
 

So Chris Simcox is trying to get elected Senator of Arizona by running against Arlen Specter?

He has a problem with geography?

 
 

He has a problem with geography?

Geography is part of that there reality-based world. Wingnuts got their own interior geography, don’t ya know.

 
 

C’mon, you grumpy-puss torture-haterz – let Fuzzy The Conciliation Caterpillar help you turn that frown upside-down!

 
 

FDR won WWII.

Sure he did.

 
 

Anonymous said,
May 5, 2009 at 9:51

FDR won WWII.

Sure he did.

Well, he had help.

 
 

Actually, anonymous is right. Stalin did a lot more to defeat Germany than FDR did. The British really did very little by comparison, and without FDR, the Germans would have hung Churchill.

 
 

At the French military museum in Paris I learned that Charles de Gaulle won the war single-handed with some minor help from the US, Britain and Russia.

 
 

“By the way, unless I’m mistaken, doesn’t Prince Hal have Falstaff executed and then goes on to become the great Henry V of Agincourt fame (as alluded to by J— above)?”

Falstaff dies (a natural death) off-stage at the beginning of Henry V. Bardolf, on of Falstaffs friends is hanged. The other members of Falstaffs clique perish in Henry V too, with the sole exception of ancient (ensign) pistol.

“At the French military museum in Paris I learned that Charles de Gaulle won the war single-handed with some minor help from the US, Britain and Russia.”

At least the fact of minor help was admitted. In the german tradition, WW II was waged and lost entirely in the east. And somehow it was adefensive war strating around Stalingrad.

 
 

Falstaff dies (a natural death) off-stage at the beginning of Henry V. Bardolf, on of Falstaffs friends is hanged.

I stand corrected. Thank you.

 
 

Ye godz. “Cross burnings”. Yes, I’m sure he was in fear of being dragged out of his office, beaten, and hung from a tree, because that kind of thing happens all the time in industrial office parks.

I invented that little “team building” exercise…

 
The Tragically Flip
 

FDR, Stalin and Churchill all at least do get credited for their roles in WWII.

Canada declared war on Germany Sept 10, 1939, put a million people in uniform by war’s end, had our own beach at Normandy (Juno) fielded a two Corps Army and had the worlds’ third largest Navy. Yet non-Canadian historians usually group our contributions in with the Brits. How many people could even name Canada’s war time Prime Minister?

 
Lurking Canadian
 

Winston “Let’s Gas The Darkies” Churchill, who became a minor saint in wingnut hagiography recently, for reasons that elude me. Racism? Imperialism?

It is Churchill’s support for eugenics that I find most interesting in light of his canonization by the conservatives.

In some way, I’m sure it is central to Goldberg’s point about liberal fascists and the eugenic obsessions thereof, but I haven’t been able to guess exactly how.

 
Leon Trotsky, Exile-in-Mexico
 

How many people could even name Canada’s war time Prime Minister?

I can’t name the one you have now, man.

 
Rusty Shackleford
 

How many people could even name Canada’s war time Prime Minister?

Doesn’t he already have a name?

 
Lawnguylander
 

I bet Clark Gillies can still kick ass so they should elect him as their Prime Minister up there in Canada. Anybody who wants to mess with Canada could ask Dave Schultz if he thinks that would be a good idea. Ed Hospodar too.

 
 

Canada declared war on Germany Sept 10, 1939, put a million people in uniform by war’s end, had our own beach at Normandy (Juno) fielded a two Corps Army and had the worlds’ third largest Navy.

Pretty amazing for a country with 1/10th of the population of the US.

 
 

Stalin’s out of the running for obvious reasons.

Not so sure about that.

 
 

Uh, did this sentence in – I assume Hinderaker’s follow-up — tickle anyone else at all?

“If Obama is going to spend part of his day learning about torture on the internet, he should start with Ann Coulter”

Truer words…

 
 

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