Just Say No To Daps
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Oh, sweet baby Jesus, they’re at it again over at the hilariously mis-monikered American Thinker blog. Joyce Capron, who claims to be a “writer,” can’t even play a simple game of tennis without having that vile Negro in the White House assaulting her delicate sensibilities:
Today at tennis, after I made a hard point, my partner offered the Obama fist bump.
“I don’t do that,” I said, and I gave her a stern look. It’s not the first time I’ve run into Obamabots on the courts. … I didn’t stop and lecture the O’Bot, because Wasting Indoor Court Time is a Sin. I just high-fived her with my racquet, and went on playing.
I’m not so sure when the dap became exclusively associated with Obama, but if Joyce isn’t going to do anything that Obama does, I can suggest that she also stop peeing indoors, eating with utensils, taking regular showers and, well, breathing.
I’m into civil disobedience these days, now that we Right-Thinkers are in the minority, living in fear of Obamification. In small ways, I resist.
1) I refuse to do the fist bump. We Right Thinkers need our own hand jive, a nonverbal way to say, ‘I’m Anti-Obi’. I’m open to suggestions.
Well, how about, as such a gesture, sticking your thumb up your butt while pinching your nostrils tightly closed with your other hand?
2) I turn His face around. Whenever I’m standing in line in a store, and find coverboy Obambi staring at me, I turn the offensive magazines around to face backwards. … By hiding His image, I may be slightly interfering with commerce, but if I can prevent one more person from being suckered into socialism, I’ll do it.
That’s what I love about The American Thinker: it’s always pointing out things I hadn’t realized before. I had no idea that seeing Obama’s face on a magazine cover is what had turned me into a socialist. Prior to that, the only time an image had so strongly affected me was when a photo of Kathryn Jean Lopez made me gay.
3) I send e-mails to mainstream media, urging them to wake up from their Kool-Aid stupor and report what’s going on. Sometimes, I link [American Thinker] essays.
Any day now, a few folks in the MSM will read one of Joyce’s many emails, the scales will fall of their eyes, the truth will become evident and the MSM will finally report that Obama is a socialist. You will have Joyce’s e-mails to thank for that, you ungrateful wretches, and if you don’t thank her, she’ll give you a stern look.
4) I have my talking points ready. The best [American Thinker] essays I collect in a Rhetorical Ammunition file. If someone needs to hear what’s wrong with the deficit or with federalizing healthcare or with failing to support Israel, I can tell them.
OMG, I think I’ve met this woman. Some years ago there was a woman in a building that I used to live in who lugged around with her everywhere she went several shopping bags filled to bursting with file folders and loose documents. She never let these papers out of her sight and called them her “evidence.” A malicious neighbor used to terrify her with stories of helicopters hovering over the roof of the building until she rarely left her apartment. Who knew that one day she’d be writing for the American Thinker?
Organize a Militia, Joyce!!
Please?
If we just wait, everything from the Stinker will eventually be copy&pasted here in its entirety.
And I think I know that woman. She’s homeless, but was planning to scan all her documents & evidence into a flashdrive, rather than drag the paper everywhere in a wheeled document box.
I collect in a Rhetorical Ammunition file
I collect my witty repartee in a Bandolier of Badinage.
1) I refuse to do the fist bump. We Right Thinkers need our own hand jive, a nonverbal way to say, ‘I’m Anti-Obi’. I’m open to suggestions.
Could slap yourselves in the face I guess. Anybody watching is bound to think wow, what an outlaw!
Is this dap you speak of related to the fap? And is “thinker” akin to “wanker?” Anyway, thanks for your sporting retorts to this dolt who resorts to “writing” about “Obamabots on the courts.”
There is no joy in Joyce, is there? Such pettiness is bad for the soul and makes evil dark hairs sprout from moles.
This is fucking funny, especially if you watched the actual press conference:
Liasson: will you fail on getting votes from Goppers from now on?
Obama: Mara like i said – all that needs to happen is for the Republican party to sit down, shut the fuck up, and pull their heads out of their goddam asses
GOP: gorp!
Obama: by the way Mara if I had brought the GOP in any earlier they would have been there when my Kenyan father had made sweet love to my white momma
Mara: oh my
Obama: oh did i mention these closeted fuckers have no credibility on anything at all???
Mara: oh poo
Obama: i’m sorry but these assholes piss me off
Obama: now this is what these fuckers do on everything – economics, global warming, flat earth, they just pretend that there is debate and trot out non-experts and it’s all fucking bullshit
Mara: but but
Obama: no look I am the eternal optimist that someday the GOP will stop being obstructionist dicks but that’s just the kind of happy go lucky motherfucker I am
Good night – i said ‘good night fuckers!’
http://moonshinepatriot.blogspot.com/2009/02/obama-press-conference-february-9-2009.html
Read the whole thing. You’ll be glad you did.
Surely if there was ever an appropriate post for a picture of George H. W. Bush doing the “Obama fist bump” on a tennis court, it is this post:
http://cache.deadspin.com/assets/images/deadspin/2008/06/bushkour.jpg
Jesus Christ. 80 year old doubles partners have been fist-bumping in tennis since before LBJ.
Oh, the commenters are funny, too:
Are you sure you’re not reading too much into the
> fist-bump?
It goes back to the 1960s Black Panthers and their “dap” a complicated hand gesture meant to represent “passing power”; it is a first cousin to “high-fiving” also derived from the “dap”. To me it is just as offensive as a Jew might find a “straight arm salute”.
And apparently Jonah Goldberg comments there as well, as “Aleviola”:
Mussolini started as a socialist. Fascism is a natural development of socialist thought. I wish you could ask my grandpa who lived under the Fascist regime, but he is dead.
Winning The Anti-Fascist Revolution, One Earful At A Time:
Whooa!! Snap ‘stead o’ dap!!
I have my talking points ready. The best [American Thinker] essays I collect in a Rhetorical Ammunition file. If someone needs to hear what’s wrong with the deficit or with federalizing healthcare or with failing to support Israel, I can tell them.
That reminds me, a LaRouche recruiter managed to trick me into taking a flyer the other day. It seems that Lyndon was right all along and now he’s the only one who can save us.
How many cats does Mrs Squawker own?
You know, if someone pulled that ““I-don’t-do-that-and-gave-you-a-stern-look” crap out here (California), and then explained, “I don’t do Obama things,” they would never get spoken to again. Not because it’s Obama, but just because we’ve been fist-bumping (not that I knew it was called a dap) for the last 10 years, and I’m white/hispanic, and every white kid I hang out with does it, and anyone who acted like it was a big deal in any way would be treated like a cult member or something, someone who wears a purity ring and yells at gay people that they’re going to hell, maybe. Even the few other conservatives around would be embarrassed. That’s just damn scary.
Dirty pool, Another Kiwi. Very dirty indeed.
It’s a tough job, penciling corrections, underlining and marginalia in books from the public library, but someone has to do it.
Who says the American Thinker blog is mis-monikered? They’ve been saying we’re not real Murkans for years, and they are. QED, ipso facto and shut up, he explained.
For an appropriate American Thinker hand gesture I suggest putting a finger in every orifice (you may need help), paying particular attention to an air-tight seal in each, and holding that position for at least five minutes.
It’s sadly pathetic that these people are so afraid of anything different that they would believe this sort of stupidity. But they are wingnuts after all, cant expect them to do any real thinking.
You know, I don’t recall too many examples of posters at popular purportedly-professional publications on the left who refused to consider riding Segways just because Bush did (there are, apparently, many other reasons to refuse to consider riding Segways) or stopped choking on (or even eating) pretzels, clearing brush from their homes or any of the many other “signature” Bush actions that have been on display for the last 8 years – and yet, here we are, less than a month into Obama’s term, and the right wing dolts are trying to – what – find some kind of solidarity in refusing to perform a simple fist bump that didn’t even originate with Obama? And as much as I loathe Bush, I know I never turned any pictures of him around so that no one could “fall under” his “influence” – and I don’t recall hearing of anyone else who did that, either.
So, are they really going to admit that they’re even more deranged than people they claimed suffered from Bush Derangement Syndrome? Yeah, good luck with that.
Idiots!
Gee, I’ve always associated the fist-bump with the Wonder Twins. Who knew it was really a statement of Exorian Socialism? Man, what can you do…
And as much as I loathe Bush, I know I never turned any pictures of him around so that no one could “fall under” his “influence” – and I don’t recall hearing of anyone else who did that, either.
Where do you think inking in the occasional Snidely Whiplash ‘stache and goatee count on the BDS severity scale?
Thorswitch,
Yeah, my first thought on reading this was, “Remember kids, these are the folks who have been screaming about ‘Bush Derangement Syndrome’ for the last eight years.” I mean, I’ve known for some time that they were going to become completely unglued as soon as there was a Democrat in the White House, but wow.
Oh, and Nylund, I’m not going to click on that, because, well, I don’t have to look at him anymore. Small favors, and all that.
Not that I’m going to go and turn the link around, or anything.
commie atheist,
Can I get an A-men.
Look, if the lady isn’t into fisting, then she just isn’t into fisting. Stop forcing your fetishes on everybody!
I wish you could ask my grandpa who lived under the Fascist regime, but he is dead.
He died at Auschwitz – fell off the watchtower. *boom-tish*
Oh, And since G H W Bush did the fist bump with Kournikova, I can see where the creeping fear of fascism would come in. I mean his daddy did bankroll the Nazis.
And that sleeper agent Kournikova. You’d sleep with that, right?
Wheels within wheels, my friend.
Read the comments on that American Thinker piece.
I am having trouble working out who is pulling whose leg.
I can totally relate to this Thinker (of Deep Thoughts). I refused to use the letter “w” during the last eight years.
Actually, that might be why I received no response to my attempts to wake up the em-ess-em from their Kool-Aid stupor by reminding them of Bush-Cheney lies about “the non-existent VMD in Iraq.”
The Obama fist bump? Has anyone here actually done this? I’m just glad that this woman is turning magazines around to stop the spread of socialism. I can now sleep safer at night.
OK, scratch that, I can’t sleep at all. Anyone else awake?
Hmmm, I do fist-bump colleagues when something goes exceptionally well at work, but I don’t know that I’m doing it the correct Obama-style, which I didn’t even realize had now been mandated by our socialist overlord.
Oh dear.
It’s past noon here in Socialist Europe, so there are probably a few people awake.
Personally, I remain convinced that pieces like this (along with RenewAmerica, etc) are very clever parodies. Nobody could possibly be so damn stupid.
Sometimes, I link [American Thinker] essays.
That’s just malicious.
Now, if you’ll excuse me, I’ve got eight years worth of brush to clear.
YAY! People are up.
That’s just malicious.
I’m inclined to agree, but these links do have their uses. Still, whenever I follow one I have to go shower.
Socialism? Obama? The seeds of the stimulus package were planted in November.
You know, back when the non-fist-bumper was president.
Oh. And why is Uncle Sam there dapping himself in the mouth?
I’ve never read the American Thinker. Firefox’s auto-fill feature keeps adding quotation marks to the word, “thinker,” in the URL slot; I keep getting 404’d
My loss, I guess. Their stuff is GOLD!
Mild mischief, being a snot and dissemination of incoherent rants do not acts of civil disobedience make.
So when DFH do it to protest people being killed, it’s wrong?
Uh huh.
I just can’t wait for the right-wing hand jive business. Whatever will they come up with?
The fact is, Obsama is not my President, not my Commander In Chief. You had no respect for GW so I am back at you in your face, socialists.
Thank God Joyce doesn’t read “Confederate Yankee”… if she had, the streets would be running with blood.
“Obsama” Gary? Is that even supposed to be an insult or a testimony to your own idiocy?
Look, you all laugh, but one day I just happened to fist bump a friend in greeting instead of just a plain old American salute. I couldn’t put my finger on it then, but there was a magazine stand not far from where I was standing, likely containing pictures of “the one.” Anyways, before I knew what had happened, I was forming workers councils at the place of my employment and seizing the means of production. If only someone had been there to turn those magazines around, America might not have creeped closer to a communist state.
And another thing…notice how the term “porkulus” is popping up like a rash…like it came from Wingnut Central?
I think it’s time for an intervention before Gary really hurts himself. Anyone game?
Porkulus is a common fReichtard fetish involving a pot-bellied pig and a bathroom stall in a busy transportation hub.
And I’m sorry, I must say that I grew up in Deepest Darkest D.C. (surrounded by DFHs, Black Panthers and people who’d actually engaged in civil disobedience no less) but the first place I ever saw a dap was during a lacrosse game in an upper-class, Caucasian intensive environment. Obama would have been … 24?
Next week – The fRighties discover super socialist sex pervert Obamabot Spider-Man (he’s a swinger!) and the evils of Star Trek (Uhura’s short skirts are a lure to impressionable young men!).
We Right Thinkers need our own hand jive, a nonverbal way to say, ‘I’m Anti-Obi’. I’m open to suggestions.
Thumb-sucking seems just about right– how lonely they must be without their Big White Daddy to
molestprotect them.Well, it’s really just the logical progression, kind of a seasonal thing. People who find it offensive to have someone wish them a pleasant holiday in the winter find that, as the flowers of spring bloom, it is offensive to have someone non-verbally congratulate them for their prowess on the tennis court.
What offensive goodwill gesture will the breezes of summer bring to their little victimized sensibilities?
The funny thing about the dap is that when the Obamas did it, no one on the left was making a big deal out of it, it was Fox News that suddenly turned a common, meaningless gesture into a symbol. And it’s STILL a symbol that only reverberates with them, it has absolutely no meaning to people on the left.
There’s this sort of cargo cult president bashing from the right now. The whole “not my president” and “stolen election thing” they started saying — I think they’re just aping what was said on the left without the context of electoral fraud and the whole supreme court battle from years back.
Look for similar borrowing of W slams applied to Obama outside of any context.
The important question is, would she high-five, or is that too jive for her?
I’d like to offer an Obama terrorist fist bump for this: the only time an image had so strongly affected me was when a photo of Kathryn Jean Lopez made me gay
It’s petty, lookist and mean but damn if it didn’t make me laugh.
I am duty bound to point out this is unlikely. Righties like unthinking obedience from all living things.
You don’t get that from cats.
You know, what would be totally cool would be if someone could imbue a different common, meaningless hand gesture with an alternate, Right Wing cachet for them, so they would be compelled to perform it all the time to demonstrate their solidarity.
I wonder what would be a good one……? Thumb sucking, as suggested above seems like a good plan.
Quick! Find a video of Obama breathing. These assholes might asphyxiate out of pure stubbornness.
For a Rightie hand gesture, I recommend extending the middle three fingers of each hand, crossing the hands in front of the body, and saying “Double Dubya” to commemorate their hero’s two terms. It’ll really show those East Coast minority populations what you think of them.
NB: be sure to wear your flak vest.
I suggest the gesture of reaching for the other person’s wallet or purse, to symbolize their devotion to sucking cash from the rest of us.
maybe they should be like the feminist protestors in “The World According to Garp” and cut their tongues out.
Well, I for one am fauxraged by the War on Fist-Bumpage.
Read the comments on that American Thinker piece. I am having trouble working out who is pulling whose leg.
Oh my god yes:
* Maybe a forearm grasp, like you sometimes see in Roman movies.
* I also now put a line through all of my zeros when writing checks or the date. It is just my way of saying, no “O”.
* I do the Vulcan salute as done by Mr. Spock.
And so on. These *can’t* all be real.
Obsama is not my President, not my Commander In Chief
Unless you’re part of the active duty military (which I rather highly doubt) or a National Guard unit that’s been federally activated, he wouldn’t be your Commander In Chief anyway.
The President is not Commander in Chief of the whole damn country. The Right throws the term around like it meant “Supreme Leader” which I find more than a little creepy.
From the comments: Actually, the “bird” works for me.
Good idea!
“The weirdest thing happened at the tennis club today. I was doubled up with a woman I don’t know very well but who I’ve seen around. She made a nice point against the other pair, and when I went to give her a bump for her effort, she flipped me off. When I asked what that was about, she just muttered something about socialism and robots.”
These are people who got freaked out at a false, made-up story that Clinton staffers removed “w” keys from computers. Now I know what whoever made that story up knew it would resonate with them. This is how petty they are.
someone go over there and remind them that PRESIDENT Obama also likes to breath, eats food, and drinks water. There will be righties trying to starve or smother themselves on tennis courts and in parent’s basements across America…
President Obama refuses to walk out in front of speeding trucks!
Jebus, I hated Bush but I didn’t go around accusing landscaping businesses of promoting fascism by selling shrubs!
PRESIDENT Obama only has sex with his legal spouse while Limbaugh has sex with underage third-world prostitutes. Conservatives, your duty is clear!
I’ve never seen the wingnuts happier. FINALLY, they have something to really, truly bitch and moan about. Sure, and slim democratic majority in congress was nice, but a strong majority AND a black president who speaks english better then most of them? WOW! Break out the “poor oppressed majority” shtick and turn the knob to 11!
The fist bump thing has been around since at least the late 90s. 10+ years of existence, and suddenly now it’s the secret Socialmuslim handshake.
It’s a good time to be insane in America. Say, have I ever talked to you about Huey Lewis and the News? Most people don’t listen to the lyrics, but they should!
Some favorites:
I don’t even tolerate “high fives”. Its a black thing, and I wouldn’t understand. Kan you dig it, Bro?
I was very proud of my daughter who told her kids at her job that they needed to write an essay about a famous black person for Black History month. When a kid asked if he could write his on Obama, she said no–he hasn’t done anything yet! I raised her right!
I thought I was the only one irritated by the magazines. I’ve been asked more than once to leave them alone, particularly at the drug store and grocery that I go in almost daily. I was caught moving a stack the other day[.]
Wingnuts really seem to go for “My enemy X does/thinks so and so, therefore I should do the exact opposite automatically without thinking.” It’s almost like they take George Costanza’s success story as a life lesson.
I agree that they should act totally against all their instincts.
I bet this guy
I thought I was the only one irritated by the magazines. I’ve been asked more than once to leave them alone, particularly at the drug store and grocery that I go in almost daily. I was caught moving a stack the other day[.]
is related to the guy in the story linked here…
http://notalwaysright.com/lenin-inc/1519
For a Rightie hand gesture, I recommend extending the middle three fingers of each hand, crossing the hands in front of the body, and saying “Double Dubya” to commemorate their hero’s two terms. It’ll really show those East Coast minority populations what you think of them.
Just out of curiosity (I’m a cultural imbecile, obviously), what does this really mean?
I disapprove of glucose/fructose so you can imagine the hours I spend at the supermarket turning cans and containers around.
Or, I should say, used to spend. The police escorted me out of the store the other day and I’m not allowed to go back.
indoor court time is precious? to me that smells like a non-club member on a day pass to me. what trash. poor bill buckley must be spinning in his grave to think that his movement has been reduced to non-club members on day passes. disgusting.
Joyce Capron:
A good, time-honored, way to express that sentiment is to: Breathe heavily and say, “Come to the Dark Side, Luke!”
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Joyce Capron:
Joyce, grow the fuck up.
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We Right Thinkers need our own hand jive, a nonverbal way to say, ‘I’m Anti-Obi’. I’m open to suggestions.
Jazz hands. I vote for jazz hands. Or the gang sign that jon recommended (clever, btw).
And, is it just me, or does anyone else get the mental image of Joyce scurrying through the supermarket, turning magazines around, while a harried employee follows close behind, turning them face-forward again. The whole thing is sped up and set to “Yakkety Sax”, of course, and there is a man in a gorilla suit chasing them. A customer offers Joyce a fist-bump, she beans them with her umbrella, and the constables join the chase!
Oh boy.
“Obambi”? Really? You just called him Obambi? Freaking Iris said that, or at least our trollbot version of her.
Also, I’ve been doing fist-bumps ever since JV baseball, where we learned it by watching baseball players on TV. Not sure how these people can say we’ve formed a thing about Obama when they’re directly attributing a 25-year-old phenomenon to him.
ALSO, you’re going to turn around magazines featuring his mug? Might as well cross his face out on your high school yearbook.
Matt just won the thread, BTW. Now Boots Randolph’s finest will be in my head all day, and I like it.
This must be the first time ever that the right wing has hysterically over-reacted to presumed left-wing / ethnic symbolism.
Is there an award for the single most hilarious wingnut comment section of ’09? ‘Cause this one is a clear contender:
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I, too, turn magazine covers around, books as well. The best way to deal with liberals is to use their own tactics against them. Go on offense immediately. Say, “We now have a non-Christian, non-American, Marxist in the White House. Don’t argue with me. I read more than you do.” They’ll probably be so astounded at the audacity of a Conservative that they won’t be able to talk.
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There’s just too much awesomeness in that comment.
And that sleeper agent Kournikova. You’d sleep with that, right?
Dude? is that what a sleeper agent is? Bush screwed EVERYTHING up!
I think we should spread the meme that in addition to high-fives, handshakes are a black thing – only adopted by decadent whites looking to destroy themselves under the demographic tide.
The only authentically white greeting is, obviously, the Roman salute.
Something involving braiding the hair on their palms would be appropriate, I think.
Say, “We now have a non-Christian, non-American, Marxist in the White House. Don’t argue with me. I read more than you do.”
I hope Roxanna says that to me, so I can play dumb and ask her to expound on all the wonderful reading she does.
“I keep hearing that, but I don’t understand–what did Marx write about?”
I, too, am dying to know what Roxanna “reads”.
The Klan has an excellent newsletter, I don’t care what you say.
The desperation from the right wing is heartening. We take comfort in this extremism in defense of whiny-tude.
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Legalize said,
February 10, 2009 at 17:05
I, too, am dying to know what Roxanna “reads”.
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Do you mean which papers?
All of them, no doubt.
stupid tags
Go on offense immediately. Say, “We now have a non-Christian, non-American, Marxist in the White House. Don’t argue with me. I read more than you do.” They’ll probably be so astounded at the audacity of a Conservative that they won’t be able to talk.
Oh, we’d be astounded alright, just not at the “audacity”.
More like the “opacity” of a conservative…
Capitalist magazine sellers selling magazines! Why aren’t they in jail?
Some American Thinker merchandise.
From the comments, presented without additional comment.
I would, anytime, anywhere, any universe, stack up how much I read (even though blogging has reduced my input by about 2/3rds) to what this beanhead reads, and that includes a reading comprehension test.
Let the games begin!
In the even that they’re doubled over laughing, of course.
Do these people really do this? Go into Kroger and turn around magazines? Yell about how well-read they are to strangers? I know some pretty epic wingnuts, but even then it’s confined to angry conversations with people they know. Turning around magazines? You go out and public and turn around magazines? Really? You exist, and this happens?
Do these people really do this? Go into Kroger and turn around magazines? Yell about how well-read they are to strangers? I know some pretty epic wingnuts, but even then it’s confined to angry conversations with people they know.
Yeah, I mean, I took a training course at work back in August with an otherwise ok guy who kept ribbing me about “liberal Democrats” and tire pressure (Ah, remember those days? They seem so long ago . . .) when I mentioned something I’d heard on NPR (it was about clams). It was annoying, but I can’t imagine him acting like an Alzheimer’s patient in the supermarket.
Maybe they’re all young. I know when I was 19 and listening to a lot of Rage Against the Machine and reading Chomsky, I probably would’ve thought writing on money was pretty rebelious activity.
I must confess, to the discredit of the progressive cause, that once I turned around a Glenn Beck book in a bookstore. Feel free to disown me.
Extenuating circumstances: the previous day I had been trapped on a treadmill at the gym while the Glenn Beck show played on a large TV overhead. (I’m happy to report that almost two years later, that hasn’t happened again. Even without me having to complain they decided to go with news only or the music channel.)
Warning: This link leads to a picture of the book cover, which I found too much to stand.
A stupid, stupid book
Mark,
Sadly, no. While there are many young’uns in the fold, an awful lot of the really loony ones (you pointed out Malkin who’s got to be in her forties) are old enough to know better, which leads us to the dilemma: Are they serious or doing it for the money?
Nobody cares. Really. You’ve posted that link about a hundred times now.
I must confess, to the discredit of the progressive cause, that once I turned around a Glenn Beck book in a bookstore.
I wiped a loogie on an Ann Coulter book once. Call me a bio-terrorist.
Obama’s Busted Bubble
By J.R. Dunn
Barack Obama’s bubble has been burst. Over the past three weeks, he has learned a primal conservative lesson, one on which all else is based. As put by the noted political philosopher Clint Eastwood: “A man’s got to know his limitations.” O now has a vague glimmering as to what his limitations are. His followers, as yet, do not.
All of us live in bubbles of one size or another. Bubbles that encompass what we know, what we have experienced, our prejudices, our illusions, and our manner of thinking. It would be strange if it were any other way — as was once written, “Humankind cannot stand too much reality”.
Some bubbles are more transparent than others, some are more open. Some of us are aware of our bubbles, some are not. Those who are aware attempt to compensate when judging events occurring outside the walls. Those who are unaware as a rule tend to take their bubble as identical to the universe at large. They judge the great world solely by what’s within reach. This state of affairs can distort the workings of democracy, on occasion to a serious extent. We are now living through such an occasion. This past election the bubble people elected one of their own, the consummate dweller in dream reality, Barack Obama.
Obama’s current woes derive from the fact that he has hit the real world head-on. His bubble now lies shattered around him. Absolutely no single decision or effort by the new administration has worked out as planned. With two months to prepare, unparalleled cooperation from the preceding administration, full control of the government, and an almost disturbing level of public support, Obama has misfired more completely than any other administration in history.
Clear evidence of this lies in the fact that no one is speaking of Obama’s “Hundred Days”. But the complete story can be traced through a close examination of the various delusions upholstering the interior of the Obama bubble.
! This administration will hit the ground running — Well, it hit the ground, all right. Geithner, Kileffer, Daschle, all victims of a belief that Article 1 of the Constitution contains a clause reading, “No Democrats need pay taxes.” Richardson — well, who remembers what that was about at this point? Solis is reaching a boil due to assorted “spousal problems”. David Ogden, a porn lawyer, has been chosen as deputy AG. And, in the likelihood of Justice Ginsberg’s retirement due to illness, Jennifer Granholm, a Canadian with that special northern perspective on American jurisprudence, is being considered for the seat.
Proving he’s just as bad at rejection, Obama turned down Gen. Anthony Zinni, the one competent official who shares his particular vision of the Mideast, as ambassador to Iraq. Zinni had already been notified of his new post by Hillary Clinton. A nonentity named Christopher Hill got the job instead, which Zinni had to learn about over the news.
All in all, a performance that puts the previous champ at a fumbled transition, Bill Clinton, in the shade. And all this without much opposition at all from the GOP, which is apparently following Napolean’s dictum, “Never interrupt your enemy while he’s making a major error.”
! The War on Terror is easy. So why not take the enemy combatant imbroglio (aka “Gitmo”) already distorted to the point of delirium, and toss it into limbo on the grounds that you’ll get around to doing something about it eventually? O has singlehandedly returned the situation to where it stood in 2002, without the least notion of where to go from there. The sole opposition came from one courageous officer who continued the prosecution of Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, the man behind the USS Cole attack, on the basis that no one, not even a certified messiah, has any right to interfere in ongoing legal proceedings. (Remember that one, constitutional law fans?) O sidestepped that problem by arranging to have the charges against al-Nashiri dismissed, a move that will undoubtedly sow panic and consternation through the ranks of Al Q and other Jihadis. Any bets that they’ll ever be reinstated?
! Gun owners have a friend in Barack Obama. Which is why there’s a bill in preparation setting up a universal federal gun registration system, contradicting a clear campaign promise and making permanent enemies of the country’s vast middle.
! Foreign policy is easy. As revealed by his effort to begin negotiations with Iran with no preconditions (one campaign promise kept to the letter), releasing a torrent of contempt from the Iranian theocrats unheard since prior to the inauguration of Ronald Reagan. Next on the agenda is an attempt to create what amounts to a global renunciation of nuclear weapons. So we’re getting rid of ours at the same time that the mullahs a acquiring a batch. He’s smart, all right.
! This country yearns for a new FDR. So we come to the stimulus bill, O’s shot at being a transformational figure. With no clear idea of how to go about it, Obama allowed Nancy Pelosi to draft the bill, a action similar to allowing Jack the Ripper to oversee the girl’s school. Unsurprisingly, Pelosi has produced what amounts to the ultimate loot and grab bill, where any concerns for the country’s economy have taken second place to Democrat wish lists of the past four decades. A bill consisting of multiple tens of billions spent not on earmarks as much as the entire animal, hoof to tail. A bill so flawed that many Democrats have turned against it, unwilling to take responsibility for the consequences should it be passed. (Among those consequences is a repeat of the single action that turned the recession of 1929 into the Great Depression — the Hawley-Smoot Act of 1930, which destroyed the international trade system through vindictive tariffs. The “Buy American” clause of the Obama stimulus would have the same exact result. The appalling thing here is that Obama appears to have no understanding of this fact.)
So great has Congressional opposition been to this bill (Obama succeeded in unifying House Republicans in their vote against it, a feat unseen since the heyday of Newt Gingrich), that the President decided to “to take it to the people”, even though the people, according to polls, are only 37% in favor.
With the help of Collins and Spector, king and queen of the RINOS, Obama will likely get at least a truncated version of his “stimulus”. But at the cost of public trust, congressional good will, and any reputation for political alacrity. Anything Obama wants from here on in, he will have to fight for. Did anyone notice they’re not talking about a “honeymoon”, either?
As it stands, the bill is not yet a certainty, with plenty in the way of tinkering, reworking, and collation of the House and Senate versions remaining. Then will come the hustlers, the bureaucrats, the state and local politicians, the embezzlers (or am I repeating myself?), The bean-counters, and assorted other incompetents and grifters. It’s safe to say that the economy will be well on its way to recovery (which, according to Lawrence Kudlow, is already is progress), before a dime’s worth of “stimulus” finds its way into circulation.
So that’s it. The best will in the world, nearly universal support, a hard core that views him as something akin to the second coming, control of both houses of Congress, along with the media, near-hysterical international adulation — and this is what happens coming off the bench. And all this comprises only the first three weeks of the Obama presidency. Three out of 208 — just over 1% of the time allotted to his first term. (And let’s kindly put aside claims that it’s too early to judge — George W. Bush was tried, convicted, and had a bounty put on his head within hours of his election.)
What’s the alternative? The same as with his cabinet choices. Obama needs to wind everything — every last thing; stimulus, Gitmo plans, negotiations, and so on — back to zero, precisely the way it was on January 21st, and start over again, without the ideological blinders and with intelligent input from people who know what they’re talking about.
But the odds are that he will do nothing of the sort. Because O has a vision. He has image of himself as a world-historical figure, a Washington sans periwig, a Lincoln without a stovepipe hat, an FDR with two good legs, a man who will leave nothing unchanged, whom the age itself will be named after, whose passing the very nations will mourn.
A man who thinks like this does not look back or learn from mistakes. At least not until he’s forced to, until the realization dawns that his first two weeks have dictated the actions of the rest of his first year, his first three months the balance of his entire term. Namely, that he’ll spending his time desperately fingering through the handbook trying to figure out how to change things back the way they were in the first place.
Such a situation has its good points. We will endure no New New Deal. There will be no transformation of the country, no four-term millennial FDR, no socialist makeover. The “tipping point” feared by such thoughtful figures as Thomas Sowell is not on the agenda.
But there are no lack of drawbacks. Pelosi and Reid are now unbound. The unbalanced Pelosi has been given a taste of total power and will not back down. For his part, Harry Reid will not allow himself to be outdone. Here is where the major upcoming political battles will occur. Not only involving the GOP, but Obama himself, who is going to have his hands full putting these two back in their kennels. (He’s obviously never heard the story of the Sorcerer’s Apprentice.)
But neither is the world going to stand still. Sometime in the next few weeks or months, one of our enemies will decide to take advantage of the situation, much as Khrushchev did in Cuba in 1962 after Kennedy fumbled the Vienna summit conference. Perhaps Kim Jong-il will move to fulfill his father’s mad dreams by heading south. Perhaps the mullahs will scratch the Straits of Hormuz itch. Maybe Putin will get some idea of how he looks in Czar’s robes by moving in on Ukraine. And how will a president trying to find himself handle that?
We stand on a blasted heath, a world that in many ways comprises the Great Wrong Place. A world full of trials, dangers, and nightmares. A world that contains nothing easy or simple, one that requires vigilance, knowledge, and cunning. We need leaders who acknowledge this and can deal with it, leaders of the caliber of FDR, Truman, Reagan, and George W. Bush. Leaders who know their limitations. Leaders whose bubbles have been broken – by a bout of polio, a stillborn child, a drinking problem – who have seen the great world outside in all its terror and potential, who know they are not messiahs, and that the worst dangers are those closest to home.
We do not have such a leader today. We have a man who still has some growing up to do.
Democracy let us down this time around. We must ride it out, and do better next time.
Sure. Worst thing any wingnut friend did yesterday was text me a bunch of times doing a running Fisk on Barry’s presser. Annoying, wrong-headed, sure, but not mentally unstable.
I dunno. I think we can put “turning around magazines” along with the Dr. Mrs. Ole Perfessor’s “I just yelled at an Obama-supporting cashier in Walgreen’s” in the “my Canadian girlfriend” bin. C’mon.
Ain’t nothing like a thread these days without Troofy’s self-denial and our new copypasta troll. Get a room, you two.
We Right Thinkers need our own hand jive, a nonverbal way to say, ‘I’m Anti-Obi’. I’m open to suggestions.
Just wear a U.S. flag lapel pin!
But if you have to be a copycat and use a hand gesture, point your index finger at your temple and swirl it around a few times. That’ll do the trick.
* I also now put a line through all of my zeros when writing checks or the date. It is just my way of saying, no “O”.
That acutally kinda makes sense. Obama did the fist bump, which has been around for a long time, and lots of people do it, but by no means everyone. So the protest should also be something that lots of people do, but by no means everybody.
Although shouldn’t they write the “O” with a slash, and not zeros? Do you think they know there’s a difference?
Over the past three weeks, he has learned a primal conservative lesson, one on which all else is based. As put by the noted political philosopher Clint Eastwood: “A man’s got to know his limitations.” O now has a vague glimmering as to what his limitations are.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
TRANSLATED TROOFIE:
“Da nigra been put in his place!”
Sorry, Troofie. Not so much. He’s only begun to kick ass and take names.
After the election, I was in the grocery store and noticed several of the checkout line magazines turned backwards. These were mostly celebrity glossies, but my curiosity got the better of me, so I checked out which ones were flipped. All of them had Obama on the cover. First time I’d run into magazine flippers, and I haven’t even seen them very much since then.
Although shouldn’t they write the “O” with a slash, and not zeros? Do you think they know there’s a difference?
When I was starting out as a computer geek I used to slash my handwritten zeros, just to be a bigger geek. That’s what I’d think of if I saw a check with slashy zeros.
If I saw one with the Os slashed, I’d think “Hey, cool! They’re one of those people from the Socialist Republic of Scandihoovia!”
Teh dap, as anybody knows who served in Southeast Asia during, well, during those days, was invented by our black brothers-in-arms to block up sidewalks and the entrance to the NCO club. The brothers would meet up in said places, dap endlessly amongst themselves–and the true dap, much more than just a fist bump, was a complex mixture of hand, fist, and elbow touches that could last for 20 seconds or more–while we of the caucasian persuasion stood by tapping our feet, checking our watches, and saying, “Hey man, it’s fucking happy hour.”
And a “by the way” to the “Shorter Sadly, No” guy who insinuated that we’re just making fun of the bottom-of-the-barrel: the American Thinker team appears to have some fairly impressive academic and professional accomplishments.
I think it’s time for an intervention before Gary really hurts himself. Anyone game?
no, it’s more fun to watch him hurt himself.
Right-wing hand gesture? don’t they already have the nazi salute?
OK, alec beat me to it. But there’s no way I can beat Matt’s ‘jazz hands’. I am giggling uncontrollably at the though of literally DOZENS of corpulent Midwesterners walking around the mall acting like Fosse rejects…
…the American Thinker team appears to have some fairly impressive academic and professional accomplishments.
Yet their comment thread still opens in a new window.
actor212 said:
Dap! I hope some wingers take you seriously and lie awake at night wondering if it’s THEIR copy.
In the late nineties our local library had a much more offensive bioterrorist who expressed his disdain for certain books with his excretions. No prize for guessing that he targeted books that he thought encouraged homosexuality.
1: Fail to correctly execute “Action > ? > Profit” gag.
2: ?
3: Fuck self and die in a ditch.
Mark F FTW!
Let’s all chip in and buy that lady a shopping cart. She’s going to need it someday soon.
Dap! I hope some wingers take you seriously and lie awake at night wondering if it’s THEIR copy.
It was unintentional. I had sneezed and it was…juicier…than I thought it would be. My choice was Ann Coulter or Mill On The Blart.
When John McCain called Obama’s policies what they were during the campaign (Socialism), the liberals and their MSM enablers laughed at him.
Now, Newsweek says WE’RE ALL SOCIALIST NOW.
Not so crazy now, huh? Now you see what a radical Obama really is.
I didn’t think it possible, but here are some rethuglicans with a sense of humour: SF Weekly.
1. Lose.
2.
3. Declare victory.
Now, Newsweek says WE’RE ALL SOCIALIST NOW.
Wow, you read Atlas Shrugs, Observer. I saw that chicken little post myself while looking for more juggs popping YouBoobs.
Why? WE HATE ALL BUSINESS!
Now, Newsweek says WE’RE ALL SOCIALIST NOW.
Dasvedanya, komrade!
In US, people are all socialist.
In Mother Russia, socialists are all people.
If the liberals are in power any longer than four years, the United States will collapse in bankruptcy just as the Soviet Union did.
Wheeeeee!
TIME did one of their stupid probing pieces on the whole fist-bump “controversy” way back in July:
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1812102,00.html
Hey, Truth! What’s going on?
Conservative Observer said,
You don’t see so good for an observer, son. Check your glasses.
If the liberals are in power any longer than four years, the United States will collapse in bankruptcy just as the Soviet Union did.
Possibly. McCain would have pulled it off in no more than six months.
Piefilter!
Win.
Shorter Troofy said,
February 10, 2009 at 18:10
1. Lose.
2.
3. Declare victory.
Unfortunately he never gets round to the “And get out” part.
Just gonna say it again… the comments over there are Pure. Gold.
Anything can happen.
After all, it was the warhawks (beginning under Carter and exploding under Reagan) who thought it was a dandy idea to create an army of terrorist, fundamentalist Muslim warlord drug dealers to destroy the secular government of Afghanistan in order to war with the USSR, and it was that magnificent force of murderous slaughterers who then launched the bin Laden / Taliban / Al Qa’ida growth which the lazy and arrogant Bush Jr administration would allow to knock down 2 World Trade Centers, take a side off the Pentagon, and take out 4 civilian jetliners.
Who would have thought that hiring an army of murderers and criminals and thieves and narco-traffickers could ever have any ill effects on us?
Sometimes, I link [American Thinker] essays.
But the Spam filter keeps bouncing them back.
I confess, I like to move Intelligent Design books from the Science section to the Religion section at Borders.
Wow, talk about your Soviet-style revistionist history.
The *bankers* created this problem. They failed at their jobs, which is risk management. They failed terribly. In a meritocracy, they would now be flipping burgers. Instead they are being bailed out at taxpayer expense. That ain’t capitalism, friend (risk is an essential component – no risk, no capitalism). And George Walker Bush authorized that $700 billion bailout.
In a true free market, these folks would be allowed to fail. Personally, I have no problem with that, but *Republicans* do (excepting the very rare ideologue that walks like he talks). Giving free money to bankers is every bit as “socialistic” (to use the wingnut definition of the word) as giving it to construction works.
So spare us, Mr. Partisan. Don’t pretend principles are involved. If any Republican action is good, and any Democratic action is bad, principle has nothing to do with it.
Using government to bail out the rich is neither capitalism nor a free market in action. Spare us the horseshit, please.
“In a true free market, these folks would be allowed to fail. Personally, I have no problem with that, but *Republicans* do (excepting the very rare ideologue that walks like he talks).”
What are you talking about? The TARP was supported by mushy centrists, the true right wing conservatives in Congress were sharply opposed to it! More Republicans than Democrats voted against the banker bailout.
If you don’t like TARP, blame Dodd and Frank. They were the main architects of the criminal socialist bailout.
It was the worst thing Bush ever did, btw.
O now has a vague glimmering as to what his limitations are.
Yes. His limitations are Republicans eager to bail out their friends.
This current caterwauling from the Right is all the more ridiculous when you consider that, in Real World terms, Obama is a cautious centrist – at best – any way you look at him.
Joyce and her brain-dead ilk would be hilarious if they weren’t so contemptible.
1. Spend significant portion of life in place where one is universally reviled, endlessly repeating self and convincing nobody.
2. ???
3.
Near-orgasmic masochistic pleasureProfit!It was the worst thing Bush ever did, btw.
Nah, I think killing a half million Iraqis to resolve his Oedipal complex tops that, you sociopath.
Truthy-
How, exactly, does this mesh with your Bush kept us safe!!!!! argument, seeing how he was keen on the idea in the first place?
Not that I expect anything more than an epic fail of an answer from you, but hey.
If you don’t like TARP, blame Paulson
Fixed your post for accuracy. After all, Bush rammed this down Congress’ throat to bail out his cronies.
I’ll say it again.
MORE REPUBLICANS THAN DEMOCRATS OPPOSED TARP.
It wasn’t “rammed down Congress’s throat”, Pelosi could have stopped it if she wanted.
The Bailout:
Financial-market wise guys, who had been seized with fear, are suddenly drunk with hope. They are rallying explosively because they think they have successfully stampeded Washington into accepting the Wall Street Journal solution to the crisis: dump it all on the taxpayers. That is the meaning of the massive bailout Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson has shopped around Congress. It would relieve the major banks and investment firms of their mountainous rotten assets and make the public swallow their losses–many hundreds of billions, maybe much more. What’s not to like if you are a financial titan threatened with extinction?
By the way, Truthy, seeing how you spend every waking hour on here, I know you know that quite a few people opposed the idea here, too.
And as we speak Hopey McChange’s tax cheat treasury secretary is already scheming to pass TARP II.
Who the fuck is “truthy”?
The Trouble with Paulson’s Bailout
Is this really the best way to spend $700 billion? Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke are pressing Congress to enact without delay their hugely expensive plan to vacuum up devalued mortgage-backed securities and other toxic assets. If the plan isn’t passed, Bernanke warned the Senate on Sept. 23, “the economy will just not be able to recover in a normal, healthy way.”
Paulson’s Bailout: A “$700 Billion Switcheroo”?
Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson’s announced changes to the $700 financial bailout plan — to focus on shoring up financial institutions that offer consumer credit rather than purchasing troubled assets — led all three network newscasts last night, and are featured on the front pages of today’s major newspapers. The story is being reported in stark terms: ABC World News referred to “a dramatic change in course”; NBC Nightly News called it “a $700 billion switcheroo”; a “bombshell announcement,” said Fox News Special Report. Bloomberg News, meanwhile, reports the Secretary “may encounter resistance from Congress for the remaining $350 billion after using most of the first half to buy bank stakes.”
News outlets generally cast Paulson’s actions as evidence that the financial crisis is getting worse. The Politico, for example, reports Paulson’s “announcement was a public acknowledgment by the administration that the hundreds of billions of dollars spent thus far to buy up complex mortgage-related assets were not solving the economic crisis that their misuse triggered, or helping to lubricate the dried-up credit markets.” The New York Times says “administration officials acknowledged that banks and financial institutions were as unwilling as ever to lend to consumers.” And the Financial Times said Paulson’s decision was “feeding a gathering sense of gloom as investors fled from risk and US equity markets sank to levels approaching their October lows.”
This current caterwauling from the Right is all the more ridiculous when you consider that, in Real World terms, Obama is a cautious centrist – at best – any way you look at him.
It is a clear indication of just how far we’ve lurched to the right here in the U.S.
Those last two were from those bastions of liberal thinking, Businessweek and US News And World Report….
More Republicans than Democrats voted against TARP.
The vanguard of opposition against the banker socialism was from the right wing of the Republican Party.
It is a clear indication of just how far we’ve lurched to the right here in the U.S.
Not really. It is a clear indication of how far the MSM has been Overton’ed by their corporate owners. Now that the vast majority of media is controlled by a small set of people (courtesy of Ronald Reagan), message control is a hell of lot easier, and rich folks, quite rationally mind you, push the conservative mythos hard.
BTW, how many liberals on here are going to oppose TARP II when Hopey/Changey proposes it?
*crickets*
More Republicans than Democrats voted against TARP.
True, but…
President George W. Bush appealed to the United States on Wednesday night to support a $700 billion plan to avert a financial meltdown on Wall Street, and he invited both major presidential candidates to join him and Congressional leaders at the White House on Thursday to forge a bipartisan compromise.
[…]”Working in a bipartisan manner, we have made progress,” the House speaker, Nancy Pelosi, and Representative John Boehner, the Republican leader, said in a joint statement. “We agree that key changes should be made to the administration’s proposal. It must include basic good-government principles, including rigorous and independent oversight, strong executive compensation standards and protections for taxpayers.”
So YOUR President, YOUR Treasury Secretary and YOUR House leadership ALL wanted this. So don’t lecture us about it being a democratic bill when you bastard rammed the damn thing down Congress’ throats, dickwad!
I just looked it up in the Dictionary, and “Porkulus” is defined as “Any sexual act involving Rush Limbaugh”.
The vanguard of opposition against the banker socialism was from the right wing of the Republican Party.
Banker socialism? The government got shares of the bank, i.e. State ownership? Nope, it was no strings attached. I wish it HAD been banker socialism, rather than just money down the rat hole.
And yes, you are quite right, most Congressional Democrats are way too mushy to allow all the grief a full bank collapse would entail. I think it would have been better to let them fail, but Democrats were pushing for a soft landing. I just hate that no bankers were harmed in the making of this legislation.
Pelosi and Reid could have easily, EASILY stopped TARP in its tracks.
Or if not them, then Barney Frank and Chris Dodd could have stopped it cold in the committee.
They didn’t.
So YOUR President, YOUR Treasury Secretary and YOUR House leadership ALL wanted this. So don’t lecture us about it being a democratic bill when you bastard rammed the damn thing down Congress’ throats, dickwad!
Ha! Tell ’em.
Though you might be forgetting that Bush was a great big liberal, if he existed at all, unless liberals are criticizing him, in which case he’s the next incarnation of ReaganGod.
BTW, how many liberals on here are going to oppose TARP II when Hopey/Changey proposes it?
Here’s one, big boy.
Xecky, L’il Pig, I think you’re both right and both wrong.
What I think we have in America is a situation where the outsized power of small states, states that have an equal voice in the Senate and the Electoral College, mask the more left-center tendencies of America as a whole.
There are no red states or blue states. There might be red counties and blue counties, but the vast majority of the localities in America bleed a dark purple.
Can anyone now doubt the existence of Obama Derangement Syndrome?
Pelosi and Reid could have easily, EASILY stopped TARP in its tracks.
Nonsense. YOUR President and YOUR Treasury Secretary and YOUR Fed chairman warned us of a complete meltdown if we didn’t act by December 31.
Spare me the “oh boo hoo hoo it was rammed down our throats!” Bullshit. Pelosi wanted it passed so badly she kept voting open way past the time it was scheduled to close on the first TARP vote, trying to twist arms to pass it. Thanks to Republican opposition, it was defeated the first time she tried.
the American Thinker team appears to have some fairly impressive
academic and professional accomplishmentslipstick on its pigs.Fixed. Remember, W has a Hahvahd MBA.
Nothing is “rammed down your throat” when YOU CONTROL CONGRESS!
Ben Bernanke, Sept 23, 2008
Action by the Congress is urgently required to stabilize the situation and avert what otherwise could be very serious consequences for our financial markets and for our economy. In this regard, the Federal Reserve supports the Treasury’s proposal to buy illiquid assets from financial institutions. Purchasing impaired assets will create liquidity and promote price discovery in the markets for these assets, while reducing investor uncertainty about the current value and prospects of financial institutions. More generally, removing these assets from institutions’ balance sheets will help to restore confidence in our financial markets and enable banks and other institutions to raise capital and to expand credit to support economic growth.
[…]“I believe if the credit markets are not functioning, that jobs will be lost, the unemployment rate will rise, more houses will be foreclosed upon, GDP will contract, that the economy will just not be able to recover,” Bernanke told the Senate Banking Committee today. “My interest is solely for the strength and recovery of the U.S. economy.”
Nonsense. YOUR President and YOUR Treasury Secretary and YOUR Fed chairman warned us of a complete meltdown if we didn’t act by December 31.
Correct. George started this ball rolling. If you were honest, you would acknowledge that both Republicans and Democrats are to blame for this. Drop Reagan’s 11th Commandment, please. It makes you look stupid to insist Republicans are infallible when their errors are obvious to all but the self-deluded.
Hey! Who made the comments today? This tastes like Holy Fuck, Is This Troll Boring®™!
(and Actor, by *you* I mean our conservative visitor)
YOUR President. YOUR Treasury Secretary. YOUR Fed chairman.
Suck it, reactionary capitalist pigdog!
“Moderate” Republicans and Democrats were responsible for this. Conservatives in Congress were the leading voices of opposition. Admit it.
I’m pleased to see that the right’s idea of “civil disobedience” is similar to their notion of “service”, i.e., not really doing anything. Looks like they can be laughed at or safely ignored for the time being.
And when The Chosen One tries to pass TARP II, I guarantee the leading opponents will again be right wing conservatives.
“Moderate” Republicans and Democrats were responsible for this.
Then don’t call it a Democratic bill, asshole.
I dunno how rational these actors are. While the scale is vastly different (we’re eating a lot of mac ‘n’ cheese at Casa WereBear, while the rich are still scarfing caviar) somebody like Rupert Murdoch has lost billions.
I don’t think that’s what he had in mind.
If you want any chance of stopping TARP II, you’re going to have to work with us, on the right wing.
I’m not only not much of an Observer, I’m also not much of (and don’t really understand the concept behind) an Arbiter of comedy either. However, don’t worry for me Sadly Nosians; I’m posting cut and pastes from other blogs at the moment because every now and then, someone draws attention to my serious mental ill health, and my confidence collapses. You’ll normally get a few days, a week or two maybe of links from other people until I either my loathing and hatred or my delusions take me over again, and I’ll be back to posting what I now think is biting and powerful commentary. For a few weeks again of course, because I can’t maintain that illusion for long either. Is it bi-polar disorder? Is it self inflicted psychosis? Only I know for sure, but see how, after a few days of CTRL-V I think I’m in control again enough to start lashing out once more; “YOU are responsible for THIS!”…. but eventually one of you will say something that cuts right to the quick of who I am again, and I’ll lose all control I thought I had, and it’ll be back to the cut and paste again whilst I recover…
Ahhh! The circle of life! My life. And who wouldn’t lash out at liberal blogs for year after year rather than seek professional help escaping such a life, eh? Don’t you wish you were a freak like me? Dontchya?
Nothing is “rammed down your throat” when YOU CONTROL CONGRESS!
Aw, now c’mon CO, you know that’s a tale for the kiddies. A majority of Americans think we should give less preferential treatment to Israel – but no Congressional representatives do. A majority of Americans thought we should have gotten out of the Mess in Mesopotamia a lot sooner – but very few Congressional representatives did. We’re long past the grade school delusion that the beliefs are a majority of Americans are consistently represented in Congress. Like or dislike it, but the votes don’t match the wishes of the populace.
YOU=the Democrat Party. You controlled Congress. You passed TARP. Barney Frank and Chris Dodd were leading proponents of it.
Are we going to her any praise for conservatives in congress from people here when they stand up to TARP II?
And who wouldn’t lash out at liberal blogs for year after year rather than seek professional help escaping such a life, eh?
Reagan did shut down all the mental hospitals, didn’t he.
George Bush, Hank Paulson and Ben Bernanke were leading proponents of it.
History is lost on morons like you.
And TARP II will be proposed by Obama and Geitner.
Then what will you say?
And TARP II will be proposed by Obama and Geitner.
A trillion now or $7 trillion when the banks fail in six months.
Your choice.
“Moderate” Republicans and Democrats were responsible for this.”
“Moderate Republicans” like George W. Bush and John McCain?
““Moderate Republicans” like George W. Bush and John McCain?”
Yes. McCain is a moderate, and Bush was a moderate on domestic policy (NCLB, Medicare Part D, etc).
Conservatives hated all of those things.
What Congress heard on Sept. 18, 2008
Yeah, they flinched. Does everyone think they should have stood pat?
This woman refuses to do innocuous nonpolitical hand gestures simply because Obama also does them(and gives hairy eyeballs and snippy commentary to tennis partners who do choose to do them, assuming it’s a political statement), tries to think up a hand gesture that will make her own political convictions clear, turns over news magazines with the president’s picture on them(it’s not like the president is newsworthy, right?), and always has her testimony ready to evangelize the unbelievers, but Obama voters are the kool-aid sipping automatons? Jesu Cristo.
So which is your choice, Observer?
A trillion now, or $7 trillion in six months when the banks fail and there’s a run on deposits?
My choice is nothing, ever.
Do you support TARP or oppose it actor? Give a straight answer.
My choice is nothing, ever.
So you’d like to see the banking system crash and fail and every American with even a deposit in a CD lose their money?
And you dare call yourself a “patriot”?
YOU=the Democrat Party. You controlled Congress.
We control Congress?
SadlyNo controls Congress?
If only.
It won’t crash, its a bunch of socialist fear-mongering. No government cheese for Wall St., ever.
See, that $7 trillion dollars?
That’s the FDIC estimate of how much they’ll have to pay out to depositors if there’s a complete collapse of the US banking system.
Do you support TARP or not?
Oh, and if you didn’t know that, if you didn’t understand the stakes, then you have no business being in this discussion. Adults speak here, not children.
I knew I should have left the troll food in the other room but here I am with a pocketful of troll food. What’s a girl to do?
When (not Pat, he would’ve been better) Paulson and Bernanke and the others screamed OMG we have to do something, the Congress heard. They recognized that things were indeed dire. They foolishly trusted the incompetent thieving dickwads (aka paulson, Bernanke and the entire right) to do something productive with the money. They stupidly believed that the financial heads were going to try to address the problem. Had they been more savvy, they would have realized that the money was going to be frittered away, salting someone’s cellar but certainly not the cellars that actually needed it.
And thusly did the GOP and the capital aristos fuck things up yet again. TARP was a good idea. TARP was necessary. The problem was in the incompetent profiteering way it was administered.
That’s why we need TARP II – to do it right. Alas, YOUR fuckup dickcheeseforbrains greedy fucking PoS “leaders” poisoned the concept.
You may now crawl back under whatever rock it is from which you slimed your way out here.
Also, a preemptive FYWP.
Ah, I see the preemption was both appropriate and unavailing. FYWP FYWP FYWP
I support spending a trillion now to save $7 trillion later.
1) I refuse to do the fist bump. We Right Thinkers need our own hand jive, a nonverbal way to say, ‘I’m Anti-Obi’. I’m open to suggestions.
OK, Joyce, here ya go:
I’m going to say this carefully and slowly, CO, so you hear it.
Every bank in America, with the exception of one, is technically in default right now, and bankrupt.
Every. Bank.
The sole exception is Chase Manhattan.
So you don’t think the banking system is in danger of collapse? Think again. Even Chase is just a few thousand bad credit card debts away from collapse, and that crisis will make the mortgage crisis look like small beer.
Remember, W has a Hahvahd MBA.
That’s my point: the people at American Thinker aren’t the cranks handing out The End is Near flyers and posting incomprehensible manifestos from the public computers at the library. They went to the best schools in the country and are employed by and move about in respectable high society.
You can say the same about a whole bunch of conservative commentators: the Power Line goons, Hugh Hewitt, Ann Coulter, etc. They all have great educations, they all were very successful in mainstream society independent of their punditry. And they’re all nuts.
This contradicts what “Shorter Sadly, No” said about Sadlyno (the real one) tarring all conservatives with the brush of the absurd. Many conservatives who should know better have lost their fucking minds.
Ah well. The most he spends whining about the bank bailout, the less he spends whining about Michelle Obama. Give and take.
I would just like to repeat, I am absolutely NOT “The Truth”. You see, being a Conservative Observer, and having observed you at Sadly No! for some time, I have somehow curiously missed the one obsessive compulsive who has stunk up the comments for years. Even more amazingly, I’ve even managed to miss anyone else referring to him, despite the fact that under the name of The Truth I’ve become a daily laughing stock meme. No, really, that makes perfect sense. So who the fuck is the Truth?!
Also, I’d just like to point out that any similarity between posting styles, such as my endless repeating of one completely unrelated issue (JENA! JENA! JENA! TARP! TARP! TARP!) and my absolute focus upon individual posters (Actor! Actor! Actor!) is of course completely coincidental.
And that’s the truth…. damn!.
Hey Tintin…thanks for another masterly snarkish essay…you had me chuckling all the way through, especially at your KLo hit….SMACK!
Snark is more effective then anger when dealing with these clowns, and no one does it better then you and the other SadlyNo! snarkists!
Thanks for my morning belly laugh!
Rep. Paul Kanjorski of PA:
Spare me the “oh boo hoo hoo it was rammed down our throats!” Bullshit. Pelosi wanted it passed so badly she kept voting open way past the time it was scheduled to close on the first TARP vote, trying to twist arms to pass it. Thanks to Republican opposition, it was defeated the first time she tried.
“Moderate” Republicans and Democrats were responsible for this. Conservatives in Congress were the leading voices of opposition. Admit it.
Ok, yeah, I got it. You were pulling for a complete global economic meltdown, and you’re really pissed that you didn’t get it, and now you think all the sane individuals who didn’t agree with you owe you a big apology.
Suck it, dickwad.
BTW, how many liberals on here are going to oppose TARP II when Hopey/Changey proposes it?
Here’s two, Dudley.
I’d like to know who it was who withdrew all that money and started the run.
It could have been an individual (George Soros) or a consortion of countries (Iran, Venezuela Russia) who had an interest in seeing Obama elected.
It’s all a little strange it started right before our election, isn’t it?
Nationalize the fucking banks already. Just don’t call it that. It happens all the time (fuck off – you know what I mean). When a bank becomes insolvent, which is the case right now for most of the biggies, the FDIC steps in TAKES OVER. The feds run it and either return it to health or euthanize it. BTW, the banks can sometimes return a profit to the taxpayer when they are reprivatized. It’s happened many times and no one called that nationalization. It is nationalization, it just isn’t called nationalization.
Most folks – folks like you and me – who don’t have ginormous amounts of money tied up in those banks will come out ok. I certainly don’t have over 250K stashed anywhere. But the folks who profited the most from the mismanagement will indeed lose their shirts. And that has the advantage that they will no longer exercise quite the influence in DC that they once did; influence that ennabled them to do such a bang up job of fucking things up in the first place. The ultrarich mofos will do most of the suffering. And that’s a good thing.
So come up with another name to gloss over the actuality and lets do it. Also, the very concept will make CO’s head asplode.
FYWP
Look no further than the Bavarian Illuminati.
If you want any chance of stopping TARP II, you’re going to have to work with us, on the right wing.
Screw you.
If you want any voice in what TARP II looks like, you’re going to have to drop the Perma-Bush-Tax-Cuts demand and the Rebate-All-Death-Taxes-F0r3v@r!!!!!!11!!one demand, among others.
My opposition to TARP II does not include signing onto Republican shibboleths simply because I don’t agree with all of TARP II’s provisions.
AIAEEEEE! Soros! HELPPPPPP MEEEEEEEEE
It’s a little late in the thread for this, and it’s pretty weak, but I’ve got to do it:
Ah, the audacity of dopes.
Do you support TARP or oppose it actor? Give a straight answer.
Do you support socializing business losses or oppose it, CO? Give a straight answer.
I blame the one-armed man.
She might be on to something there.
“Do you support socializing business losses or oppose it, CO? Give a straight answer.”
I oppose it, period.
I turn His face around. Whenever I’m standing in line in a store, and find coverboy Obambi staring at me, I turn the offensive magazines around to face backwards. … By hiding His image, I may be slightly interfering with commerce, but if I can prevent one more person from being suckered into socialism, I’ll do it.
As a person working in a bookstore, I’d just like to comment that I hate that shit. Thank you, you brave soul, for making me do just that much more work. Thank you, for making me unable to find things that I can identify by cover. You certainly are making QUITE the stunning political point there. That’s not at ALL childish. No.
Truth, you might be the dumbest troll in S,N!’s history. This is some sub-Ruppertian stuff. George Soros, dude? Really?
Nationalize the fucking banks already.
Agreed. Right now, their market cap is cheaper than the price tags for their bailouts. Buy them, run them and fire the previous management.
Eventually, markets will recover and the banks can be re-privatized by selling them off to other entities or organizations who have sufficient capital to provide return on the Federal investment.
Putin was rearing his ugly head over Wall Street in support of his fellow communista Barack Husseinovich Obamavsky.
I oppose it, period.
Excellent. Then you agree that the TARP II bank bailout provisions are useless. Clearly you aren’t completely stupid.
I await your exposition on all other provisions and programs in TARP II. Please show your work.
…consortion of countries (Iran, Venezuela Russia) who had an interest in seeing Obama elected.
Haven’t heard that meme since before the election. Typically stoopid™ and completely wrong. America’s “adversaries” were desperately hoping for McCain – your candidate, dickwad. Partially because they know how to push his buttons. That is, he is completely predictable, easily duped. Also, he’s likely to die soon and then Palin would be Preznit (I’m an atheist but I thank god that aint gonna happen) and the US would be essentailly finished.
Stuff it up yer ass, troll. You’re actually bettering your hero Bill Kristol’s record of wrongness.
It could have been an individual (George Soros) or a consortion of countries (Iran, Venezuela Russia) who had an interest in seeing Obama elected.
Then again, it could have just been terrified depositors. It wouldn’t be the first time that happened.
Ever hear of Occam’s Razor?
“You’re actually bettering your hero Bill Kristol’s record of wrongness.”
Bill Kristol is a tool. The NYT hired him to purposely make conservatives look stupid.
“Then again, it could have just been terrified depositors. It wouldn’t be the first time that happened.”
Maybe it was. Why doesn’t the MSM at least investigate it?
At the risk of saying something nice about D.N., this is indeed one of the dumber trolls. Y’know, I think it actually believes what it writes. As in not really a troll but an actual shit for brains developmentally arrested disordered personality. In short, a conservative.
You’re too kind.
Maybe it was. Why doesn’t the MSM at least investigate it?
Maybe because that Soros-and-Venezuela tale of yours sounds more like the domain of the Enquirer and the Globe than NBC Nightly News. If you’ve got some sort of support for your notion other than a fevered brain and rapid, shallow breathing, then man up and carry that support to some news outlets and see if they run with it.
Not every batshit-crazy notion is worth investigating. In fact, pretty much none of them are.
Have any of you guys heard about the stealth health nationalization in the porkulus bill?
Its going to have a national database that will “guide” doctors decisions in treating the elderly. I.e., the federal government is going to mandate that certain people not be treated if their condition is “hopeless”. What is this, Nazi Germany?
Sunshine, lollipops and rainbows,
Everything that’s wonderful is what I feel when we bash trolls.
Brighter than a lucky blart,
When you’re dead the rain cloud disappears, trolll.
And I feel so fine just to know that you are pwn3d.
My life is sunshine, lollipops and rainbows,
That’s how this refrain goes, so come on, join in everybody!
Sorry, CO. If you insist on using the following ideologically-charged language in making your points, I’m afraid I shall have to slap the shit out of you:
stealth
porkulus
Nazi
Act like an adult if you want to be treated like one.
It IS stealth. Specter didn’t even know it was in there, and he voted for it!
Truth, remind me…when was your first post here? I remember you showing up around mid/late-summer. I want to go back and see if you were always this batshit crazy…your schtick in the early days was snotty and smug, not insane.
Solid gold, I’m tellin’ ya.
Who the fuck is “truth”?
Oh please.
So should doctors be told who they can and cannot treat based on what some federal computer system tells them?
Pretty much anyone who uses ‘The MSM’ as if it is this homogeneous liberal entity has already lost the battle for sanity and will be quickly descending into rants about black helicopters and fluoridation.
It IS stealth. Specter didn’t even know it was in there, and he voted for it!
So you think that the way private health insurers manage claims is a bad thing? The moment you start costing them too much, your claims start getting denied.
For shame, CO. Why do you hate business? For that matter, why do you hate AMERICA?
Doctors are already told that by HMOs. Did you not know that?
I find the fist bump to be a good way to acknowledge someone else without having to worry as much about hygiene. Does that make me neurotic? Also.
Or make their other dunderhead journos (Dowd, Bob Herbert) look better.
The plan:
” One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and “guide” your doctor’s decisions (442, 446). These provisions in the stimulus bill are virtually identical to what Daschle prescribed in his 2008 book, Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis. According to Daschle, doctors have to give up autonomy and “learn to operate less like solo practitioners.” ”
The stimulus bill does that, and calls it the Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research (190-192). The goal, Daschle’s book explained, is to slow the development and use of new medications and technologies because they are driving up costs. He praises Europeans for being more willing to accept “hopeless diagnoses” and “forgo experimental treatments,” and he chastises Americans for expecting too much from the health-care system.
That’s just disgusting. I wonder if Ted Kennedy will get told he has a “hopeless diagnosis” and will be denied treatment? Nah, he can get around it, but YOU Won’t be able to.
The elitist sneer is even better.
Conservative Observer just got pwned-again.
The plan = how HMOs already handle health claims.
Also, ever hear of the Oregon Plan? I thought not.
There’s a big difference between a private HMO you can choose and a federal beaurocrat.
I wonder if Ted Kennedy will get told he has a “hopeless diagnosis” and will be denied treatment? Nah, he can get around it, but YOU Won’t be able to.
One thing I like about my private sector health insurance is that I always feel like I’m getting the same treatment as wealthy and powerful public officials. It would be a shame if the government created a system that differentiates between those who can pay and those who cannot.
So should doctors be told who they can and cannot treat based on what some federal computer system tells them?
Absoutely.
You got a problem with banks telling people they can’t have a mortgage? (not that much of that happened the last 5 years). Same thing. The money has to come from somewhere. You can’t pull that “X is so important, money doesn’t matter” bullshit like Boener said about Iraq. Granny is going to better with a computer talking to her doctor than trying to pay free market rates for Health Care.
There isn’t infinite money for your fantasies, CO. Grow up.
I have the elitist sneer pretty much down, which I like to combine with the Krugman Cock, where I tilt my head sideways and pretend that I am being deferential, while all the time I’m thinking of ways to round conservatives up into camps.
Krugman Cock
What?
There’s a big difference between a private HMO you can choose and a federal beaurocrat.
Right. The federal bureaucrat doesn’t get a bonus check if he denies your claim for treatment.
Also, ever hear of the Oregon Plan?
Oooh! Oooh! I know that! Call on me! Call on me!
Uh oh … sounds like Joyce’s hugbox is broken.
Her atttitude says she loathes That One … but her capitalization says she’s already accepted him as her Saviour.
BTW, I heartily encourage any & all trolls to continue to pretend that the TARP that Bush, Bernenke & Paulson came up with (& sold to America with the exact same language of imminent doom BushCo used to go into Iraq) was all the Democrats’ fault. Why let the lefties make a fool out of you when you can do it yourself? Your steadfast dedication to committing semantic suicide pleases me greatly.
There’s a big difference between a private HMO you can choose and a federal beaurocrat.
Bullshit. I worked 22 years in Medicare. It costs less per claim than ANY private insurer. That is a fact. A private HMO can only work with its own pool of money, it actually has fewer choices than the government. Just because a business does it doesn’t mean its better – that’s a conservative bullshit myth.
PeeJ, lay it out for the bonehead, willya? 🙂
Consortion? Sir Thomas Browne, we thought you dead yea these many years!
Notice the abrupt transition from “they shoulda never passed TARP!!!! Teh evil Dhimmicrats shoulda let them all fail!” before this post:
Ok, yeah, I got it. You were pulling for a complete global economic meltdown, and you’re really pissed that you didn’t get it, and now you think all the sane individuals who didn’t agree with you owe you a big apology.
Suck it, dickwad.
…to the wild-eyed paranoia “we probly wouldna even NEEDED a TARP if some evil Libruls hadn’t engaged in a stealth attack on our totally sound financial system” of this post:
I’d like to know who it was who withdrew all that money and started the run.
It could have been an individual (George Soros) or a consortion of countries (Iran, Venezuela Russia) who had an interest in seeing Obama elected.
It’s all a little strange it started right before our election, isn’t it?
It’s a common tactic of trollus conservatardus: if you’re unable to refute that your first statement was stupid and ill-informed, simply elide over your agreement that yes, your first statement was stupid and ill-informed by building upon the correct premise an explanation that again seeks to blame those who have a (D) after their names, or are perceived as “liberals”, or by whatever ass-hatted metric you have determined that they must always be to blame for proximate causes that unfortunately, have your fingerprints all over them.
BTW, has anyone else here ever suffered the joy of a gall bladder attack?
It’s all a little strange it started right before our election, isn’t it?
Yeah – it wasn’t supposed to collapse until after, when it could be blamed on Obama.
If it makes you feel better, CO, I got paid pretty well to write the ANSI-837 encoder that sends about 25% of all Medicare B claims every night for the last 4 years.
You’re welcome.
“Bernenke”?
Plainly, Barack Hussein Obama is to blame for that typo!
BTW, has anyone else here ever suffered the joy of a gall bladder attack?
Ouch. Sorry to hear that. A coworker’s husband just had one out (at St. Vincent’s I think). It was almost an outpatient procedure – they have it down to a fine art now.
“Bernenke”?
Plainly, Barack Hussein Obama is to blame for that typo!
Don’t be silly. It was George Soros and the Hugo Chavez consortion. The MSM just won’t investigate.
All presidents relish the opportunity to take over the hellbound handbasket.
A curious question – if diehards who support Obama are Obamabots, then aren’t diehard GOP supporters GOP-o-bots? Or something?
Why is their blind allegiance okay in their eyes. Yes, yes, that second one is rhetorical.
Yes, it could have been a consortion of countries. Or it might have been a consternation of nations. Or maybe it was a contortion of tornadically toppled Torquemadas.
I think their version should be something along the lines of the Macb*** dance whenever a fist-bump is offered.
Is there a consensus for online invocations of the Scottish Play? I know some theatre types might worry about that.
PeeJ, lay it out for the bonehead, willya? 🙂
Well, if you’re really sure you want me to… Oh! I think read that incorrectly the first time. (I blame it on Krugman’s Cock)
Well then, one could go here but since it’s the NYT he would probably get hives or something. To spare him that embarrassment, here it is in a nutshell:
Medicaid can’t pay for every procedure for everybody. Just aint enough money. So the held a series of publioc meetings and did surveys asking people to rank medical procedures based on post procedure quality of life. NOT length, quality. Then they applied some formulae to factor in likelihood of relapse, risk of death etc. Came up with a ranking for 1000 medical procedures. Then they ask “how much money we got, and how far down the list does it go?” The Dr.s and other medical professionals also made some adjustments to the rankings.
Long and short, it’s a sensible, fair, effective way to use the available resources for the greatest public benefit. As opposed to, say, an HMO where the exact opposite takes place.
Here’s the FACT, jack! Obummer’s terrible TARP will be the end of capitalism in this country and the beginning of silly socialism, riding on the white horse of the Obummer’s sillytiumulus! Badoodle-boo-NO, if you get the Cool Coach’s drift! Urban out.
Shaddup, CUM.
I can count to potato!
Speaking of buying up bad assets, it appears that CO once again owns a toxic thread.
Or maybe it was a contortion of tornadically toppled Torquemadas.
“So come on you Moslems and you Jews,
We got something for all of youse,
We’re going to change your attitude todaaaaaaaay!
‘Cause the Inquisition’s here and it’s here to staaaaaaay!”
Coach Meyer, is that you? Say it ain’t so! lol
I though we were not supposed to feed the trolls
s there a consensus for online invocations of the Scottish Play?
Out, out damned Spot!
I though we were not supposed to feed the trolls
I thought CO was partially substantive. It was only later than he got into the schoolyard crap like “the Democrat Party”.
CUM? Is that a noun that can be verbed? sure it is
FYWP
I though we were not supposed to feed the trolls
Indeed? Then I humbly apologize for feeding upon them.
Though they are so very tasty.
Anyone check out Obummer’s press snorefest last night? LOL to the WALL, loony libs! The Bummer One kept getting softball questions from the Main Stream Media, and still was the Wizard of Uhhs! Ding dong dilly, you loony libs better be having a SPREAD of buyer’s remorse! Urban out.
All I can say, Urban, is that your wife is one helluva lay. She’s got the spread, all right.
Wizard of Uhhs = President Bush.
‘Cause it’s hard work!
And people think I’m annoying. Criminy. You give our profession a bad name kid.
LittlePig – re: the gallbladder – it’s been hurting since Friday eve, it wasn’t until yesterday morning I figured out that it was probably gallbladder pain – I’ve never had a problem before. So, between Friday eve and yesterday morning, I had pretty much been eating as usual, which probably didn’t allow it to calm down. I haven’t had the excruciating pain like I understand a lot of people have with an attack, but rather just a continuous pain that sucks but isn’t completely debilitating. So it could be an infection or something other than stones. I’ve been fasting since yesterday morning and today it’s a bit less tender, so I’m going to carry on the same for a couple of days to see if it doesn’t resolve itself – unless I start running a fever or getting jaundiced. I really don’t like the idea of losing an organ if it can be avoided.
“Do you support socializing business losses or oppose it, CO? Give a straight answer.”
I oppose it, period.
I agree. Businesses should be taxed 35% of their gross revenues as reported to their stockholders. Period.
Bleahh.
Trying to educate some nitwit that thinks the TARP was
A) a Democratic proposal, and
B) anywhere near all the money, or even most of the money, thrown like confetti at Wall Street by that last administration, which was, um, Republican,
is just plain silly.
I agree. Businesses should be taxed 35% of their gross revenues as reported to their stockholders. Period.
Flat tax reference! Bonus points!
Jennifer,
If you’re already feeling pain from gallstones, it’s too late for a dietary change. There are non-invasive ways of dealing with gallstones, if you’re lucky, like sound waves to break them up.
Flat tax reference! Bonus points!
Better than that, I just took corporations off the accrual accounting method and guaranteed accountancy will be a growth industry!
I know, I know! fRighties should make a fist (out of their right hand of course), hold it at waist level and jerk their fist up and down several times.
actor212 – like I said, I’m not even sure I have gallstones. This set in Friday evening, and for two full days after I was eating normally and not experiencing naseau, indigestion, or even really more pain from doing so…I’m wondering if the bugger isn’t just inflamed or something other than gallstones. In any case, the next couple of days will tell…if it doesn’t get a lot better, I’ll be at the doctor letting him figure it out.
Will someone explain to me who the fuck George Soros is and why conservatives think he issues me marching orders?
Nice try George.
All hail our Dread Lord Soros!
“Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Soros R’lyeh wgah’nagl fhtagn!”
Say, has anyone ever seen the Flying Spaghetti Monster and Cthuhlu at the same time?
Hm, does that make the FSM the Anti-Pasta?
Ia! Ia!
Silly me. I forgot. Scaife money good, Soros money bad.
Not the brightest idea for Joyce to point out to the “I’m just like one of you” crowd that the awkward neegruh socialist handshake occured during “Indoor Court Time”.
the opportunity to take over the hellbound handbasket.
I see what you do there, you Bloch-head.
Also, MACBETH MACBETH MACBETH
Consortion? Sir Thomas Browne, we thought you dead yea these many years!
Reasons to love tigrismus. #107 in a series.
Bill Kristol is a tool. The NYT hired him to purposely make conservatives look stupid.
What a shame. They could have hired Conservative Observer to do the same thing at one tenth the cost.
Do not go here and do not read the comments. Unless you want to get violently ill – that’s what happened to me.
Unbefuckinglievable. I rarely wish to harm people but for them I’ll make an exception.
FTFY.
a dog-eared copy of the July 2007 edition Barely Legal.
What’s so special about that one? Did they do a feature on American Flag tramp stamps or something?
Wow, PeeJ. You were not being hyperbolic.
That is a veritable hornet’s nest of seething ugliness.
“Nice” link, PeeJ. No wonder they don’t like hate crime laws. Their entire lives are hate crimes.
No, Xecky, I was just trying to add some depth by including details.
I should’ve gone with this one.
One of the things I do aside from my regular job is that I officiate high school basketball. While standing there looking all official like while the player introductions are being made, the players normally run over the us refs, after shaking the hand of his or her opponent for the night, and do the fist bump with us. I used to say “Have a good game!” or “Good luck!”, but I now going to change that and say, “Have a good game, you terrorist loving socialist bastard!” And then I will turn my back on them.
You’re thinking of lithotripsy, but I don’t believe it works that way – the gallbladder is a far more fragile organ than the kidney, and the path by which blood and damaged cell bits get out of the body is longer. That and gallstones typically dwarf kidney stones – if you ever see either removed surgically, kidney stones are like pulling gristle out of sandwich meat and gallstones bad enough to require surgery are like tipping a small bag over and pouring out rocks.
The surgery actually isn’t too bad, incidentally, as long as you get it done at a hospital with good equipment and experienced personnel for laproscopy – one of my dad’s favorite subjects in that if you know what you’re doing and have the right equipment, operations that require hours, dozens of stitches, and serious down-time can be done outpatient with a negligible morbidity. They anesthetize you, poke a couple holes in the appropriate cavity, inflate you with pressurized gas, and then use remote equipment and cameras to isolate, excise, and withdraw (in a little plastic baggie, no less) the necessary tissue.
An experienced physician pre-laproscopy could get an appendix out in one and a half to three hours. With laproscopy, fifteen minutes is unusually long.
(And HMOs, hideously, sometimes gainsay the procedure for whatever reason – it has fewer billable components than standard invasive surgery, so in order to jack up their fees you get to go through a procedure with a significant risk of killing or crippling you for no real reason. Hooray for capitalism.)
Okay. WTF? seriously.
Nice little link I got from PeeJ’s link.
Dude, where did you find that cesspool? I think we have tapped into 1859, and it wants its confederates back.
I have been willfully ignorant to this kind of crap. There are really lizards walking around out there trying to pass themselves off as humans.
‘Niggermania’: the 2008 election and its discontents en un mot seule.
And that isn’t even close to the worst thing there.
Wow. I rarely find anything on the internet that disgusts me. I can look at goatse and feel, “Meh”. But this is really, really disgusting.
I have been willfully ignorant to this kind of crap. There are really lizards walking around out there trying to pass themselves off as humans.
Just wait until they hear that Michael Steele is driving their train now.
I was watching The Man With The Golden Gun this weekend, and damned but if two little Asian girls do the dap after kicking the living crap out of some karate black belt…and that was filmed 35 years ago!
PeeJ: Not your first glimpse of the rotted-out underbelly of Amurkan culture, surely? This is what I figure most Reichtards really think; these particular alleged humans are just typing it out into the blogosphere.
Maybe it’s from many many years of life in the dark bowels of the Deep South Bible Belt, but the comments there (as many as I could make it through) didn’t surprise me so much. Sicken, yes, as always, but not surprise.
I’m just jumping ahead here to ask if anyone’s suggested covering their ears and yelling “LA, LA, LA, LA, LA, LA” as the perfect conservative gesture.
Henry wins the contest.
Wow. That link PeeJ gave goes to a whole hive of The Truths.
I’m pretty sure by that, she means, “I beat the crap our of her while crying, ‘You made Mommy do this!'”
I’m pretty sure by that, she means, “I beat the crap our of her while crying, ‘You made Mommy do this!’”
Could be. Clearly she doesn’t know what a high five really is.
…damned but if two little Asian girls do the dap after kicking the living crap out of some karate black belt…and that was filmed 35 years ago!
That wasn’t in the original. George Soros hired a bunch of hippies to steal every copy in existence, then his minions inserted that little bit as CG, then the hippies put them all back.
How silly and liberal of me not to ponder that possibility, Xecky. Any shadowy group that can travel back in time 47 years to place a birth notice in a Honolulu newspaper must have found that to be a piece of cake!
MzN: no, but I haven’t been expoosed to it in some years. I guess that it’s a good thing for me to see it now – reminds me of what remains to be done and the great challenge in doing it.
btw, I think I ran across it on Reddit.
Sure, PeeJ.
Someone found Shelly’s tarpaper shack in the Ozarks, did they?
I have that bookmarked, just in case, but haven’t had the nerve to present it to anyone, even as a truly horrifying bad example.
Of what do you speak, M.?
You know the troll quality has gone down the shitter when I read a post by The Fool and say, “Now that there troll has got him a shtick.”
Go back to your tarot card, you hippy-dippy fuck-face numbnutz moran. And shove the fucking Dreadful Grate up your ass on the way there.
Now there’s a troll worth bothering with!
Fighting over politics is silly when you can question others’ musical taste or lack thereof.
t4toby:
Is there a “Niggermania” other than Shelly’s? (I hope not.)
this is really awesome. Who’d have thought that it was offensive and inappropriate for national news magazines to put the President of the United States on the cover?
At least she gets eviscerated in comments.
But Republicanism is punk! Remember?
Jeez. These fucknuts can’t even keep their stories straight.
I checked out PeeJ’s link and now I’m wondering where they found that photo of Edward Everett Horton in drag. Did he star in a revival of “Charley’s Aunt”?
Edward Everett Horton in drag
Now there’s a bizarre mental image. THAT is funny.
This whole thing is pretty new to me, Mr. Malignant. But I see the name Shelley (along with Raptorman and Reb Biker) at the top of the home page, so I guess this is the one.
Assholes.
This crap isn’t, sadly, new. In the mid-Sixties there was something called the National States Rights Party (I think) that published a tabloid format newspaper that was nothing but that sort of thing.
Now you have a better grasp of AmeriKKKa, at least.
Today at tennis, after I made a hard point, my partner offered the Obama fist bump. “I don’t do that,” I said, and I gave her a stern look.
Not to put too fine a point on it, but since Uncle Sam is giving the fist to his chin, they might want to change up their logo.
Nose-picking might be more apt.
“I wish you could ask my grandpa who lived under the Fascist regime”.
Indeed, there should be a more comprehensive list, ’cause my Grandpa can’t possibly remember all of ’em.
Fool, for someone who claims to be a big fan of The Dead, you sure seem to have missed the point of their music, dude.
Now, go string a towel round your neck, put your Junior Birdman goggles on, and fly some missions in your Sopwith Camel, mmmmmmmmmmmmmmK?
I take back anything mildly encouraging I may have said about fake-troll Fool.
You, sir are an Ass Hat.
I confess: I have a weakness for the Royal Guardsmen.
Mostly becuase Phil Collins is too avant garde for you.
Mostly becuase Phil Collins is too avant garde for you.
I always figured “Su…su…Sussudio” to be more dadaist than anything.
The dude luvs him some Phil Collins with Def Leppard opener.
Niggard, please.
Phil Collins was pretty good in Genisis. He only really started to go down during his solo years.
I Don’t Care Anymore?
“No mo, no mo…
no mo, no mo…”
Don’t hate just because t4toby has a groovy kind of love.
yeah, I feel the same way about the Dead…
A good gesture for conservatives? How about inserting their entire fists into their mouths? Not a Barry Hussein X fisting, but something they can call their own.
Get better, Jennifer.
My musical tastes beat your musical tastes up after 7th grade football practice.
So crow about them all you want, but I know whose tastes are getting all of the sweet cheerleader tail.
Joyce is so fonny:
The O’Bot I played tennis with today seemed like a Nice Person Who Just Doesn’t Get It. There’s a lot of those types running around, a fact I believe is cause for Hope, because, while there’s no point in trying to talk politics with hard-cord left-wingers, Nice Person types will listen, and perhaps can be swayed. If the Fist Bumper shows up next Monday, and asks why I don’t do the crypto-fascist hand jive, I’ll give her an earful.
She believes in Hope and Change.
I send my kids out armed with ideas. They and some friends are co-founders of the Conservative Club at their high school, a public school of over three thousand students, most of them future O’voters. The faculty is overwhelmingly liberal, to the extent the Conservative Club had trouble finding a sponsor. A social studies teacher finally agreed to sign on as sponsor, although he said he does not share their views
Liberal agrees to sponsor group at odds with his political persuasion, most likely with no compensation, yet Joyce thinks liberals are the ones in narrow-minded lockstep? I bet her kids’ll see her pulling petty stunts at B&N’s magazine section, contrast that with their tolerant liberal teacher’s support of their group, and all become gay socialist atheist Mexicans.
Isn’t it ironic that I act like a pot-smoking Deadhead, but I act way more like a 13 year-old Limp Bizkit fan?
Ironic in an Alanis Morrisette kind of way? Yeah, definitely.
Conservative Observer disappears, The Fool shows up. Coincidence? Either way, both go straight to killville.
…go straight to killville.
That’s cause you can’t handle The Truth, punk ass bitchez!
I do not like prog-rock.
I do not like Genesis.
I do not like Phil Collins.
I do not like that other jerk from Genesis.
And I do not like Green Eggs & ham.
Either way, both go straight to killville
Yeah, I feel the same, what with the way these guys go on about pie.
I LIKE CREED!
I LIKE PIE!!!!!
Today in Entertainment History:
You would, ’cause you’re a fool.
OMG another thread de-railed by Creed Chat!
I thought it was a hand dangle under the restroom stall.
“I turn His face around. Whenever I’m standing in line in a store, and find coverboy Obambi staring at me, I turn the offensive magazines around to face backwards.”
I personally turn around magazines that have the Jonas Brother’s picture featured but I am an old school Monkee fan so take that for what it is.
Joyce Crapon and I share something.
…and it is cover boy not coverboy to you Crapon.
I thought conservatives already had their own hand gesture that shows who they are.
I thought it was a hand dangle under the restroom stall.
“I turn His face around. Whenever I’m standing in line in a store, and find coverboy Obambi staring at me, I turn the offensive magazines around to face backwards.”
I personally turn around magazines that have the Jonas Brother’s picture featured but I am an old school Monkee fan so take that for what it is.
Joyce Crapon and I share something.
…and it is cover boy not coverboy to you Crapon.
Like the Knights Templar before us, the true Sadlynaughts will defend the sensibilities of humankind by stalking Creed to the ends of the earth and destroying resistance to good taste everywhere.
Rusty, Is it me or does OC (ohhhh, I see!) and his alter egos disappear about the same time during the week? Today it would have been…. right around the time school lets out on the east coast…. I think. I’ll have to go back and check.
Oh, and Scott Stapp Sucks.
Every time you say you don’t like Credd it makes Baby Jesus cry.
Heck, I like just about every band mentioned, except the Jonas Brothers, but I will freely admit that I have no taste, just a Bachelor in Music.
I think you have the wrong blog, son.
No, I’m dyslexic, it’s CO, but OC made me smile.
I confess: I have a weakness for the Royal Guardsmen.
Pity they went wingnut with that whole “Snoopy vs. Osama” thing.
No, really.
The class in comparative late 20th century/early 21st century music for disaffected youth is right down the hall.
And Strawberry Alarm Clock! Strawberry Alarm Clock ruled, back in the day. You punks don’t know anything. That’s because you’re PUNKS who listen to punk.
I’m talking about classic Guardsmen from back in the day!
I figured so, just saying it was sad what happened to them.
I wonder if they’re outraged by Chappaquiddick?
Did I mention Gerry and the Pacemakers? Now THAT was some MerseyBeat. The Beatles had nothing on G&tP. My men!
holy shit
Thanks Xecklo
And Strawberry Alarm Clock! Strawberry Alarm Clock ruled, back in the day.
Aren’t they the ones who did “Incense and Peppermint?” Not familiar with any of their other stuff, but that one’s pretty good.
I just got my fax from the Streisand Compound.
We’re going to distribute magazines with Obama’s picture on front and back covers.
Crapon’s gonna starve to death.
Thanks Xecklo
Check out the blog section – I can’t figure out wtf they’re saying. Srsly, it makes no sense. Wingnut or wingnot?
The (real) Fool is not fooled by the faux Fool. Faux Fool obviously is messing with me, making such ridiculous remarks. Everyone knows the Dave Clark Five were the quintessential (get it?) British Invasion group. Plus I am a stoopid punk bitch.
Do not listen to “The Fool” who is not hte authentic The Fool.® Do not remove under penalty of law.
The Fool is as old as I am if he remembers either the Guardsmen, Strawberry Alarm Clock or Gerry and the Pacemakers.
And I’m pretty old.
Henry Rollins all by himself > all Merseybeat groups combined
Gabba gabba hey.
The Royal Guardsmen were punk[ed many times in holding cells.]
Finished that for you, as you seem to need serious aesthetic assistance.
Hey! Ho! Let’s go!
Are you taking over or are you taking orders?
Are you going backwards or are you going forwards?
That’s really wonderful. I hope there are some ululations before Snoopy has his head removed.
Creed still sucks.
Okay, here’s the deciderer:
Who deserved the 1992 Grammy for Best Song more?
Clapton or Cobain?
I hope I don’t seem immodest when I tell you that my, my
mother was a pinhead and my father was a fly.
Some music aficionado you are.
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Sample and lyrics for that Snoopy shit.
http://www.theroyalguardsmen.com/SvOCD.htm
Eric Clapton’s kid was dead, and Cobain wasn’t yet dead, so I gotta go with Clapton for having the good sense to remain alive to profit from death.
They’re closing the schools
They’re burning the books
The church is in ruins
The priests hang on hooks
The Fool is getting like the (self-labeled) Cool Coach. Have they ever been seen in the same room at the same time?
The Deciderer?
A) Grammies less than meaningless. To get one tags you as a popular pleaser.
B) Clapton useless since Cream blew away. (Blind Faith & “Layla” somewhat exceptions.)
C) Who was that guy? Some band he was in did a sing that sounded an awful lot like a Killing Joke tune, but what’s the deal? Really.
Clapton was pretty good until he went solo.
RB FTW.
Oh, Bouffy, are you bagging on the patron saint of all that is grunge?
I insist upon taking offense.
I’ll offend you more: in that awful acoustic set they cover The Man Who Sold The World exactly the way Richard Barone already covered it. Barone’s pretty nice about it though.
I’d rather Cobain never even bothered to begin with, because the 90s just plain sucked because of grunge.
Aw, man, don’t be harshing on 70’s era solo-and-collaboration Clapton. It’s not guitar-godish like his stuff from the Cream era, but it was his warmest work. I still love Lay Down Sally and his stuff he did with Bonnie and Delaney.
Layla is great for a cocaine-fueled, thinly veiled song about being in love with your best friend’s woman.
Which I guess make it kind of…punk?
Time to kill this thread once and for all – the further adventures of “Diaper Dave” Vitter and the porn star who would be Senator:
Several months ago, some wag from Louisiana placed an advertisement on Craigslist searching for an experienced professional in the adult entertainment industry to challenge embattled Louisiana Republican Sen. David Vitter.
Vitter’s once rock-solid conservative credentials took a nasty beating when it was revealed that the Senator, who campaigned on a traditional Republican family-values platform all the way to the U.S. Senate, had a rather unfortunate predilection for both prostitutes and diapers.
In fact, he had a rather unfortunate predilection for enjoying both of these vices simultaneously, earning him the unwanted nickname “Diaper Dave” among certain political circles.
So with Diaper Dave’s scandalous (and hypocritical) behavior prominent in the news, it was a pretty safe bet that he would not be, er, pampered but his own Republican Party in his quest for reelection, but the conventional wisdom dictated that Republicans would find another generic white dude to preach family values if they wanted to replace him.
Fortunately, this is a new people-powered age where genuine political creativity and inspiration can shine through.
Up went the ad on Craigslist searching for a stripper or porn starlet to challenge the Senator in the Republican primary. Initially, lots of folks saw the ad, had a few laughs, and went on their way, figuring that was all there was to the story.
However, the people behind the ad were apparently serious, and they found exactly what they were looking for; porn star (and Louisiana native) Stormy Daniels.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/2/10/12630/0036/981/695666
Here’s a link to Ms. Daniels’ website (SFW, unfortunately):
http://draftstormy.com/
Listen to the silence, let it ring on.
Eyes, dark grey lenses frightened of the sun.
Michelle Malkin hates Henrietta Hughes’ guts.
Xecko: from the comments section:”Long ago anyone with any brains could see that our welfare system, or a better description might be our new slave system”
Uh huh, the Loony Tunes Express to Upper Wingnuttia stops here.
The existential sadness of right wingers now extends to lame Christmas song remakes.
Uh, dude, I believe that falls pretty squarely within the blues genre, not punk.
For once I gotta agree with the Fool. For it to be punk he would have had to light the girlfriend’s car on fire.
I had the Slow Hand record at one point…I only remember liking “Lay Down Sally” which is still okay in my book.
Xecko: from the comments section:
Aha, thanks. I didn’t read all the comments – they were even less coherent than the posts.
I was a big fan of the Guardsmen when I was a kid. It saddened me to see them gripped by post-9/11 bedwetterism/bloodlust.
So blow out the candle and tell us another of those great stories,
the ones about serial killers. Let dreams flow into savage times.
I dunno, dude… Songs like “Stagger Lee” come pretty close to that territory, too.
The songs I know from these I just don’t like. They’re boring. Clapton sounds like he’s not interested in singing the songs and I can’t remember any of the solos. In “After Midnight” it’s embarrassing hearing the backup singers being so peppy next to Mr. Paintdrying.
With those sorts of dull productions from the superstars it’s no wonder that punk happened.
If you gotta call yourself punk… you’re not.
Plus, I gotta defend Cobain. Grunge isn’t his fault, it’s the fault of the Music Industry Punk Bitchez who jumped the bandwagon and killed Seattle…
Plus Sonic Youth doing ‘Superstar’ wasn’t ironic punk, it was straight up pop cover mainstream…
Eric Clapton is God in that he’s Old and Male and has a beard.
America found Bob Marley just fine without Clapton. Anybody remember “Stir It Up”?
its about the ultimate triumph of good over evil. To be punk it has to be the other way around.
A more clueless understanding of punk would be hard to find.
I owned one of his records. Don’t remember it at all. A reasonable excuse for Lynyrd Skynyrd to have fun I guess.
Been in the air all day and just wanted to note – I am not CO.
Must have been a strong gust of wind in the schoolyard.
Guitar aficionados may get a chuckle out of how terrible this is.
Morbid Fuckin Angel motherfuckers!!!
OK, actually I listen mainly to old punk. And yes, I do know that punk is dead. Along with Bela Lugosi. Still, gotta promote the MA \m/\m/. Sphinx has my back on that one too.
So anyone else love old Butthole Surfers? Anyone else share my (considered odd) undying crush on Gibby Haynes?
P.S. I think I’m addicted to ebay….dammit…..2 hours left….
Every musician mentioned in this thread should hang his/her head in shame.
Blossom Dearie is dead at 82.
That tiny genius with the tiny voice could eat their collective lunch and make them thank her for the privilege.
I thought they were one of the most mean-spirited bands I ever saw live. I don’t think I listened to Locust Abortion Technician after that and I didn’t have anything else.
What was Leonard Pierce talking about as a great metal record a while back? Anyone remember?
OMG….Nova has a show on about the fight between “intelligent design” and evolution….
Bubba, at least you saw them back in the day.
Change: The First Three Weeks
By Randall Hoven
Far be it from me to criticize Barack Obama before he’s even had a chance to rule. Well, he’s had almost three weeks in office as I write, and some patterns are beginning to emerge. Here is a list of accomplishments 20 days into President Obama’s first term.
Prior to taking office.
* Bill Richardson withdrew his nomination for Secretary of Commerce “under pressure of a federal investigation into how his political donors landed a lucrative transportation contract.”
* In December, President-elect Obama introduced a $775B stimulus plan, which enjoyed a 79% approval rating in the polls at the time .
* By January 12, the cost of the stimulus was up to $850B and “43% of people surveyed called it a ‘good idea,’ while 27% said it is a ‘bad idea.’ The rest didn’t have an opinion,” according to the Wall Street Journal .
January 21. Day One in office, or “Clean Government Day.”
* Obama issued an Executive Order on “Ethics Commitments by Executive Branch Personnel,” which requires Obama’s appointees to sign a statement saying they won’t violate existing laws on things like gifts from lobbyists. That is, if you work for Obama, you are expected to obey the law. It’s a new era.
* Obama issued an Executive Order on “Presidential Records,” which makes it easier to obtain former Presidents’ documents over objections on grounds of executive privilege. It specifically revokes George W. Bush’s Executive Order 13233. If you had been planning to take Bush to court, your job just got a little easier.
* Obama issued a Presidential Memorandum on “Pay Freeze,” which says, “I intend to freeze the salaries of senior members of the White House staff”, and directs the Assistant to the President and the Chief of Staff to get back to him on that in 30 days. The 30 days aren’t up yet, so the freeze level is unknown at this time.
* Obama issued a Presidential Memorandum on the “Freedom of Information Act,” which, from what I can tell, does nothing new except direct the Attorney General to issue guidelines “reaffirming the commitment to accountability and transparency.” So existing policy is reaffirmed.
January 22, “Be Nice To Terrorists Day.”
* Obama issued an Executive Order on “Ensuring Lawful Interrogations,” which defines “outrages upon personal dignity (including humiliating and degrading treatment)” as “torture” or the equivalent of torture, and not allowed by any agency of the US government, at least upon persons in custody. (If you are not in custody, it is still OK for the government to humiliate you.) This order also says all interrogations must be in accordance with the Army Field Manual – unless, of course, “the Attorney General with appropriate consultation provides further guidance.” I believe waterboarding used to require a go-ahead from the President or Vice President; now Eric Holder is good enough.
* Obama issued an Executive Order on “Closure of Guantanamo Detention Facilities,” which says Gitmo “shall be closed as soon as practicable, and no later than 1 year from the date of this order.” It also orders a halt in all military commissions there, while the Gitmo situation gets reviewed.
* Obama issued an Executive Order on “Review of Detention Policy Options,” which establishes a task force to study what to do with “individuals captured or apprehended in connection with armed conflicts and counterterrorism operations.”
* Obama issued a Presidential Memorandum on the “Review of the Detention of Ali Saleh Kahlah al-Marri,” who is being held as an enemy combatant in the Navy brig in Charleston, South Carolina. He is the only enemy combatant known to be held in the continental US. He is a citizen of Qatar, but was arrested in Peoria, Illinois, because, according to the New York Times , “government officials contended that he was an al-Qaeda sleeper agent, sent to the US to commit mass murder and disrupt the banking system.” This presidential memorandum says his case should be reviewed, just like all the Gitmo cases. Apparently, the problem is not whether enemy combatants are held in Gitmo or somewhere else; the problem, apparently, is holding those who intend to commit mass murder at all.
January 23, “Be Nice To Abortionists Day.”
* Obama issued a Presidential Memorandum on “Mexico City Policy and Assistance for Voluntary Population Planning.” The Mexico City Policy was enacted by President Reagan, rescinded by President Clinton and reinstated by President Bush. Now President Obama is rescinding it again. The policy prohibits nongovernmental organizations from using federal funds “to pay for the performance of abortions … or to motivate or coerce any person to practice abortions.” So rescinding that policy allows US government funds to pay for abortions or to coerce people to have or provide them.
January 26, “Help the US Automobile Industry Go Broke Quicker Day.”
* Obama issued a Presidential Memorandum on the “State of California Request for Waiver Under the Clean Air Act.” This memorandum orders the EPA to review the decision denying California a waiver to enforce stricter auto emissions standards. If the waiver is granted, California will become the defacto arbiter of auto emissions standards in the US. So in a case of obvious interstate commerce with enormous national economic impact, President Obama rediscovers the value of states’ rights.
* Obama issued a Presidential Memorandum on “The Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007.” This memorandum directs the Secretary of Transportation and the Administrator of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration to do their jobs. Federal law requires that the NHTSA publish a final rule on fuel standards for model year 2011 vehicles by March 30, 2009. This memorandum says the NHTSA must comply with that federal law.
January 27, “Be Nice to Terrorist Lovers and Tax Cheats Day.”
* Obama issued a Presidential Memorandum on “Unexpected Urgent Refugee and Migration Needs Related to Gaza.” This memorandum directs that up to $20.3 million be used for “humanitarian needs of Palestinian refugees and conflict victims in Gaza.” In a totally unrelated story one week later, “Armed police officials with the Palestinian militant group Hamas in Gaza seized United Nations refugee supplies at gunpoint.”
* Timothy Geithner was confirmed as Secretary of the Treasury. Geithner suffered a short-lived controversy for failure to fully pay taxes. He paid $34,000 in back taxes. After admitting to “careless mistakes” in doing his own taxes, he is now in charge of tax collection for the government of the United States.
January 28, “Bipartisan Schmipartisan Day.”
* Obama’s stimulus package passed the House with a vote of 244-188. That version of the plan was $819B. All 288 yea votes were from Democrats. The opposition was bipartisan: all 177 Republicans and 11 Democrats.
January 29, “No Statute of Limitations on Anything Day.”
* Obama signed into law the “Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act,” making it easier to file equal-pay lawsuits. Before, such a lawsuit had to be filed within 180 days of the date the pay was agreed upon. Now the limit is within 180 days of the most recent paycheck. So trial lawyers can now search for pay discrimination decades into the past.
* “A day after President Obama struck a conciliatory tone toward Iran, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad urged Washington on Wednesday to apologize for its actions toward his country for the past 60 years.” Iran has also given the preconditions necessary before talking with Obama: send all US military forces back to the US.
January 30, “Payback the Unions and Keep Joe Busy Day.”
* Obama issued an Executive Order on “Notification of Employee Rights Under Federal Labor Laws”, which revokes George W. Bush’s Executive Order 13201, which forced employers to notify employees of their rights. However, government contractors will be forced to “post a notice, of such size and in such form, and containing such content as the Secretary of Labor shall prescribe, in conspicuous places in and about its plants and offices.” So the notices will no longer contain what President Bush wanted them to contain (e.g., their rights under the law), but what the new Secretary of Labor wants them to contain.
* Obama issued an Executive Order on “Economy in Government Contracting”, which says government contractors will no longer be reimbursed for “any activities undertaken to persuade employees to exercise or not to exercise” the right to organize and bargain collectively.
* Obama issued an Executive Order on “Nondisplacement of Qualified Workers Under Service Contracts”, which says a government contractor can’t just hire who he wants, but must first try to hire the same people who worked for the previous contactor – the contractor who likely lost a competitive bid to the new contractor.
* Obama issued a Presidential Memorandum on “White House Task Force on Middle-Class Working Families.” This puts Joe Biden in charge of a task force to “focus on raising the living standards of middle-class working families.” The task force must provide annual reports on its findings and recommendations.
February 3, “Being President is Hard Day.”
* Tom Daschle withdrew as Secretary of Health and Human Services due to controversy involving failure to fully pay his taxes from 2005 to 2007. He ultimately paid $128,000 in back taxes plus $11,964 in interest. He was also criticized for his lobbying ties to the health industry, after having made over $5 million in the last few years.
* Nancy Killefer withdrew as deputy director at the Office of Management and Budget and the first “performance officer” in the White House due to tax problems, including failure to pay unemployment compensation on household help.
* According to the Financial Times, “India has warned US President Barack Obama that he risks ‘barking up the wrong tree’ if he seeks to broker a settlement between Pakistan and India over the disputed territory of Kashmir… the new US administration was in danger of dredging up out of date Clinton administration-era strategies… The warning comes as Richard Holbrooke, Mr Obama’s special envoy to Pakistan and Afghanistan, prepares to come to the region for the first time.”
* Support for Obama’s stimulus package, now flirting with a $900B price tag, fell to 37%, according to Rasmussen.
* Iran denied visas to the US Women’s Badminton Team, sent by the US in hopes of easing tensions between the two countries.
* Iran launched its first satellite into space. According to Voice of America , “to leaders and analysts in the west, the satellite launch represents a forward step in Iran’s apparent quest to be both nuclear capable and able to deliver a warhead on target.”
February 4, “More Socialized Medicine Day.”
* Obama issued a Presidential Memorandum on “State Children’s Health Insurance Program.” This memorandum withdraws previous limits on the flexibility of states to set income eligibility standards for SCHIP.
February 5, “Community Organizing, Low-Flow Coffee-Makers and Trade-War Day.”
* Obama issued an Executive Order on “Amendments to Executive Order 13199 and Establishment of the President’s Advisory Council for Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships.” For some reason, the phrase “community initiatives” will be replaced with “neighborhood partnerships” throughout all language on the initiative. Whatever “neighborhood partnerships” are, they have equal footing with faith-based ones. In other words, the local Planned Parenthood or ACORN center will be treated like a house of God, in the eyes of the federal government. So the “Faith-Based Initiative” is pretty much the same, except it’s no longer faith based.
* Obama issued a Presidential memorandum on “Appliance Efficiency Standards.” This memorandum directs the Secretary of Energy to do his or her job. The Energy Policy and Conservation Act of 1975, and a later court decree, require the DOE to issue efficiency standards for appliances by certain dates. This memorandum says DOE should comply with the Act of 1975 and the later court decree.
* According to Time, “Europe’s euphoria over Barack Obama is fading fast. As Congress wrangles over the President’s $819 billion stimulus package, a ‘buy American’ clause has the European Union threatening legal action and retaliatory sanctions and opening up the prospect of an explosive trade war.”
February 6. “Be Even Nicer to Unions and Terrorists Day.”
* Obama issued an Executive Order on “Use of Project Labor Agreements for Federal Construction Projects”, which revokes President Bush’s Executive Orders 13202 and 13208. This new order encourages federal executives to require government contractors and subcontractors to use union-organized labor.
* Pakistan released Abdul Qadeer Khan from custody. Khan was the father of Pakistan’s bomb and also provided plans for nuclear weapons to Iran, Libya and North Korea. He is considered a major nuclear proliferation threat.
* In response to President Obama’s Executive Order of January 22, charges were dropped against Gitmo detainee Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, an al-Qaida suspect in the bombing of the USS Cole in 2000, which killed 17 US sailors.
February 8. “Moderate Republicans, Not So Moderate Jihadis Day.”
* The AP reports that the stimulus package is still in some trouble in the Senate. The Senate version costs $827B, or just $8B more than the House version, after having been pared back from $900B, supposedly, due to the influence of a handful of Republican moderates. That is, in the House, zero Republicans supported the stimulus, and its cost was $819B. But in the Senate, due to support from a handful of Republican moderates, the cost will only be $827B. That is how Republican moderates compromise.
* Yemen released 170 al-Qaida suspects. That’s almost enough for nine 9/11s, by my arithmetic. Maybe eight 9/11s and one London train bombing.
February 9. Day 20, or “Fear, Not Hope Day.”
* President Obama travelled to Indiana to rally grass-roots support for the stimulus package. He said if it’s not passed, and passed immediately, the crisis will be so deep that “we may be unable to reverse” it. “We can’t afford to wait. We can’t wait to see and hope for the best.” Re-read that last quote: President Obama said we can’t hope – literally. Other Democrats, in an effort to calm our fears, have called our situation “dark, darker, darkest,” “in mortal danger of absolute collapse,” and “Armageddon.”
I should also report on the progress of the Democratic Congress. Here is what the House did already in 2009:
* Established January 2009 as “National Stalking Awareness Month.”
* Supported the ideals of “National Teen Dating Violence Awareness and Prevention Week.”
* Established a redress process for individuals, such as suspected terrorists, wrongly delayed or prohibited from boarding a flight.
* Reauthorized SCHIP.
* Delayed digital TV.
* Encouraged states to report to the feds information regarding people who die in the custody of state law enforcement agencies.
President Obama also said many words in these first 20 days: press conferences, speeches and op-ed pieces, but I left these out of the above list in order to concentrate on actions rather than words. (To my knowledge, Obama did not complete another autobiography in the last three weeks.)
I probably missed a few things, but I think you get the drift. Undo whatever Bush did. Expect appointees to obey the law, with a mulligan given for first-time offenses less than $128,000. Pay back Democratic special interests like unions, trial lawyers and Planned Parenthood. Define “bipartisanship” as inviting Republicans to lunch and telling them, “I won.” Spend really, really huge amounts of other people’s money. Make terrorism a law enforcement issue instead of a national defense issue. And watch terrorists and nuclear proliferators be released, from Pakistan to Yemen to Gitmo.
President Obama has lived up to my expectations.
I believe these first 20 days could best be summarized in the immortal words of Mark Steyn, who said, “We have nothing to hope for but hope itself.”
(The dates given might not be exact, but close enough. The source for Executive Orders and Presidential Memoranda was the White House.)
The singles chart is a lousy metric….
I insist upon taking offense.
Good, as I insisted on giving it.
Probably just too old for KC/Nirvana, & been through one yout’ movement too many by that time.
I listen to her “Lover Man” quite a bit. A great singer.
yeah, I hated Cream but Ginger Baker used to fuck my sheep…
If blossom Dearie wasn’t her name, that would be a great name for a punk band….
MB, I gave Nirvana a chance because Butch Vig was a local boy, with a track record of fine work and his production of the Pumpkins (before Corgan had a pretentious Bald Noggin) was quite notable….
There was a period between the release of Nevermind and it became huge when it still sounded like a new way of putting together old sounds….
I was working in the biggest record store in the city when it came out and the pre-release bootlegs were already flying around like crazy. Geffen saw fit to ship us one copy of Nevermind.
Hell, speaking of B. Vig, I prefer Garbage for putting old sounds together newly.
That only dates me back ten yrs., right?
The Wailers’ Catch a Fire and Burnin’ both came out in 1973, and both did well on Billboard’s “black album” chart, so no, if you were on top of things, you certainly did not need Clapton’s lifeless cover of “I Shot the Sheriff” as an introduction to Marley.
In most of ots incarnations, its about the ultimate triumph of good over evil. To be punk it has to be the other way around.
This falls so squarely in WTF? territory that it is “Not even wrong”.
I thought you punk bitchiz pretended to like reggae? Clapton gets no credit in your book for introducing America to Bob Marley and doing a pretty decent version of his song at the same time?
Clapton’s cover-1974
Perry Henzel’s film The Harder they Come-1972
And Marley? Meh… Now This Guy eats Marley’s ital lunch any day. Yeah, the clip I forwarded isn’t reggae per se (although he invented the term, but it’s one of the best songs EVAR!!!
several of them played in my back garage…
I believe that’s what most people call an “anus” — but if you want to park your car in it, don’t let me stop you.
Guitar aficionados may get a chuckle out of how terrible this is.
I like the random piece of duct tape on the pickguard.
I like the younger ones myself but the one I’m gaymarried to is no spring chicken, lemme tellya.
Also, Robin Trower.
Notice that there hasn’t been a post by troofie for a while?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102×3732829
I like the wrinkle-to-fabric ratio in his outfit.
MB, I saw Garbage on their second live show…
The3y had one processor glitch, but otherwise roxxored pretty damn good..
and for the record, I’m probably right in the same age demo you are….
The Rolling Stone “The Harder They Come” cover story was America’s intro to reggae, not EC’s perfectly described as “lifeless” by J— cover. And Bob Marley is awfully poppy. I’m w/ B to the 4 on Toots.
So how ’bout fixing that link, Bastard?
Sorry… HREF fail on the Maytals link…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_St8Kbo4uwU
Bonus track, by the sublime “Queen of Rocksteady”, Phyllis Dillon, who died all too young.
One thing’s for sure:
Lux Interior R.I.P.
Timothy Geitner spoke and the stock market dropped nearly 400 points.
The Obama Recession rolls on!
Uh, yeah, Stagger Lee is a blues tune.
This is not that to which I was referring, a fact I had hoped to have had made clear by citing that to which I was referring.
Uh… can I get a Grammar Nazi check here?
Can anyone tell me where in the Constitution the federal government is authorized to do all this stuff in the stimulus?
And do you think its a good idea for our freedom to have a federalized health records system where some federal agent can look at our health records and decide our treatment?
Poppy in comparison to people whose very blood wasn’t sucked from them by Chris Blackwell.
> Lipstick, I am right here.
Out on bail already?
Hell improves once more.
And do you think its a good idea for our freedom to have a federalized health records system where some federal agent can look at our health records and decide our treatment?
Better him than a bean counter at an HMO!
Uh… can I get a Grammar Nazi check here?
Looks perfect!
Gold star.
> The Rolling Stone “The Harder They Come” cover story was America’s intro to reggae, not EC’s perfectly described as “lifeless” by J— cover. And Bob Marley is awfully poppy. I’m w/ B to the 4 on Toots.
Desmond Dekker.
This is fun!! Reggae music, not Bob Marley, was introduced to the United Snakes by the movie, & the movie by the RS cover story.
Self-admitted Fool! Did your Tarot card tell you that?
For fuck’s sake, foolish troothy, MB didn’t say that. What, did you get your reading comprehension from Bob Jones U?
He said the Harder They Come was America’s intro to REGGAE, not Marley.
Fuck. Trolls just aren’t what they yoostabee.
Better him than a bean counter at an HMO!
Is it bean counters or crony-hire fraternity fuckheads who aren’t paying attention to anything other than how much they can trim so as to get a bigger cocaine-scoring bonus?
It Mek!!
“s it bean counters or crony-hire fraternity fuckheads who aren’t paying attention to anything other than how much they can trim so as to get a bigger cocaine-scoring bonus?”
I see someone is jealous of the successful and bitter about being unemployed.
Do not go there.
Did somebody mention Schiavo and how a Republican Congress and President passed a law (as an emergency measure nonetheless) attempting to intervene in a long drawn out family matter?
I see someone is jealous of the successful
A bean counter is your idea of success, Troofie?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH
I bet you think The Secret is “You want fries with that?”
Thanks, Shecky! Having Grammar Nazi tendencies myself, this means a lot to me.
In fact, I am so happy, I think I’ll post another Jamaican music video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCUcbRTB6Rs
Man, Millie Small was cute in 1964. Would this be ska, rocksteady, or blue beat? Someone has to make a cladogram of pop music.
Damn, I might have to go to Golden Krust for a patty.
Is conservative humor intentionally unfunny or does it have something to do with the fact that conservatives are humorless except when it comes to killing innocent people, “Kill them all, and let god sort them out,” wrecking the economy, “To hold off the depression we need to keep on doing what we have been doing,” and incompetently handling a natural/man-made disaster, “You did a heck of a job Brownie?” At least the humor is obvious in those remarks. This turns out to be a necessity, because conservatives aren’t too big on irony, subtlety, or satire.
Some things that do make conservatives laugh are belief in a democratic republic, humanitarian principles, and the concepts of human dignity and honor. “Dignity? What dignity?” “Honor? You must be kidding. Since when, did people start to behave honorably? We all know that they are disgusting sinners and criminals. The only reason all of them aren’t in jail is that we don’t have enough cell space to pack them in there like sardines or like slaves in the holds of slave ships and we need a percentage of them to do the dirty work for us.”
“Don’t Americans realize that conservatives are the true American aristocrats? We are entitled to power. We deserve it. We have earned it and from now on each of us shall be referred to only as Sir or Madam. The only allowable questions people may ask are, “When are we going to do what you command?” Where are we going to do what you command?” and “Whom do you wish us to do it to?” Conservatives, can’t live with them, cannot hang them. What is a patriot to do?
In 1964? Would have been ska or calypso. I’m guessing ska.
“Did somebody mention Schiavo and how a Republican Congress and President passed a law (as an emergency measure nonetheless) attempting to intervene in a long drawn out family matter?”
Red Herring. So what? I opposed that. I’m not a Republican, but Bush is gone and its Obama violating peoples privacy and freedom now.
Eric Clapton wishes he was Stevie Ray Vaughan. And Stevie Ray wished he was Doug Sahm. And Doug wished he was Guitar Slim. And Guitar Slim wished he was Clarence “Gatemouth” Brown. And Gate’s one of the baddest motherfuckers what ever played the blues, and that’s a fact, Jack.
I interviewed Gate years ago when his A Long Way Home album was released. It’s his “old blues guy with younger stars to get hip with younger white people” that worked only with John Lee Hooker’s The Healer. Anyhow, he cut a song and, without Gate’s knowledge, the producer took out his solo and replaced it with a perfectly tepid Clapton solo. Pissed Gate right off.
Says he, “You think I need some white boy to play for me? Fuck no, I don’t, and especially not that weak shit.” Now, me, as long as he isn’t trying to play the blues, I like Clapton just fine, but I must admit Gate had a point.
Obama violating peoples privacy and freedom now.
Right.
Next thing you know, the gov’t will want to know how much money you make.
Shithead.
WTF was that, RB? Where do you even find something like that?
I send this in retaliation for that horrid guitar thing.
This is going to make me very uncool around these parts, but I love the Unplugged Nirvana album. But I also loved Jay-Z’s Unplugged set, so there you go.
“Next thing you know, the gov’t will want to know how much money you make.”
They shouldn’t. There should be no income tax.
Nice ad hominem attack, btw.
There should be no income tax.
Moron? Hullo?
The Census is where they FIRST starting asking and gee, that’s in the Constitution!
Moron. Utter fucking moron.
In 1964? Would have been ska or calypso. I’m guessing ska.
This is why we need that musical cladogram, bro!
Piebertarian – I’m employed, gobbling up taxpayer dollars for a state job (I’d thank you if you lived in my state and paid your taxes). Just thinking of the Enronesque general corporate culture of the last couple decades.
Libertarian said,
February 11, 2009 at 3:42
Nice ad hominem attack, btw.
I call a spade a “fucking shovel.” Gotta problem with that?
WELL TEMPERED CLADOGRAM!!!!
I kill me sometimes.
“Piebertarian – I’m employed, gobbling up taxpayer dollars for a state job ”
So IOW, you don’t have a real job.
“The Census is where they FIRST starting asking and gee, that’s in the Constitution!”
The Census is much too intrusive. It’s original purpose (the way the founders intended) was simply to count the number of people that live in your house. All the other questions are unconstitutional and intrusive.
Cladogram!
The Census is much too intrusive.
America, love it or leave it.
And I know which I’d prefer you did.
Man, this guy ain’t no libertarian. I know libertarians, and the one-liner is not exactly one of their strong suits.
But hey, if you guys are okay with feeding (yet another) fake troll…
So IOW, you don’t have a real job.
Well, now we know what Michael Steele does with his free evenings.
Michael Steele, is that you? Shouldn’t you be running the RNC or something?
Ah, but Simba. In the absence of hte funnee, we must improvise.
It was Another Kiwi’s fault. Or failt as I initially typed it.
Y’know, back in the days of record players me and my friends would attach an elastic band to the tonearm from its little resting post so that a record would skip from somewhere around one place to pretty near another place depending on the length of the band and the tension you could put on it. It was suspenseful.
Listening to Mudkip right now.
That Millie Small clip was magical. Now can someone find her sizzling version of “Killer Joe”?
Funny, Fool, my remark was basically to imply that Bob Marley is a whole lotta Meh compared to a number of other Jamaican musicians. That being said, he certainly didn’t need a “Magic White Guy” like Clapton to get discovered.
My original WTF? posting referred to this comment, which basically removes any sting from the aspersions you cast:
its about the ultimate triumph of good over evil. To be punk it has to be the other way around.
You couldn’t get a clue doing a clue mating dance, smothered in clue musk in a herd of clues during clue mating season.
Now, Terpsichore, ready the car, we’re going to Goldren Krust for a patty!
That Lollipop song seems pretty squarely in the Ska territory, but what do I know?
I don’t wanna talk smack about Doug Sahm but, uh, Stevie Ray blows the doors off Doug Sahm, bro.
SRV died before he got a chance to blow the doors off anything. He stayed too fucked up for most of his career to do much beyond noodle and wank. When he cleaned up, he started showing signs of serious awesome. Damn shame the tricks fate plays on us.
Plus, Doug could do something besides play Albert King riffs. Hell, he could be awesome without playing one T-Bone Walker tune all night.
Where in the Constitution is the power to do things in the stimulus (like create a federal health database and treatment code) in the Constitution?
And I don’t want some red herring about the times Republicans violated the Constitution. I know they did, but the Democratic Party is in power now.
I love the Unplugged Nirvana album.
t4toby, I’m with you. I watched the original broadcast of that show.
He played no popular Nirvana songs, played 3 Meat puppets songs, with the Pups, had Pat Smear playing in the background, and covered some of his faves, including “Jesus Doesn’t Want Me For A Sunbeam” and the Leadbelly tune “Where Did You Sleep Last Night?”
It may not have been punk, but they didn’t pander, it was clearly knowledgeable about musical history, respectful of the originals, and chilling to the core.
Where in the Constitution is the power to do things like serve Freedom Fries?
Where in the Constitution is the power to do things in the stimulus (like create a federal health database and treatment code) in the Constitution?
Which part of Article I did you miss in class because you were stoned?
Yes. Excellent performance.
And that, my friend RB, is a Kip Roll.
Tell me where Article I says Congress has the right to control healthcare!
Section I, moron.
Which part of Article I did you miss in class because you were stoned?
I resent that.
Boy, this Libertarian knows nothing about liberty, does he?
Where in Article I? Where does it say “Congress shall have the power to make laws on healthcare”?
It’s OK, Matt, cuz I resemble it 😉
Where in the Constitution is the power to do things like pardon a turkey?
All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States,
Read ’em and weep, Moron
It’s [sic] original purpose (the way the founders intended) was simply to count the number of people that live in your house.
So in your case, would that include the hostages?
The kid’s on a Pokemon tear so I’m starting to appreciate the insanity. Kinda disappointed that the follow-up mudkips aren’t quite as kooky.
Where in the Constitution does it assign the power to carve up a guy’s nutsack?
“All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States,”
And then it explicitly lists what powers Congress has. It doesn’t say anything about healthcare.
Where in the Constitution is the power to do things like hold a dog by its ears?
Where in the Constitution is the power to do things like serve Freedom Fries?
Heh. It’s so cute how the pubbies are now worried about things like deficits and the Constitution. What’s next, supporting the Geneva Conventions (which are nothing but the recognition that we’re pandering to foreigners for their permission to carry out our own foreign policy?)
“Heh. It’s so cute how the pubbies are now worried about things like deficits and the Constitution.”
I’m not a Republican. I think Bush should have been impeached, but your fearless leader Pelosi took that “off the table”.
And then it explicitly lists what powers Congress has. It doesn’t say anything about healthcare.
Moron. Section 9 specifies what Congress CANNOT legislate on and nowhere in there is “healthcare”.
Say, I’ve got a question. Is an actual libertarian able to comprehend any part of the Constitution apart from the bit about THE GUBMINT CAINT TAKE MAH GUNS without siezing up? Never met one yet. It’s like deer not being able to see hunter orange.
It is so cute how party hacks think theres any real difference between the Republicrats and Dempublicans.
I think it might be more effective to cut out the intro and just have that mundane yip…yip thing. Economy and so forth.
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It is so cute how party hacks think theres any real difference between the Republicrats and Dempublicans.
Man, didn’t you speak at the last Green Party convention?
Oh Matt, I suspect this one is worse: a Paultard!
By the way, fLibertarian, you might want to read McCullough v. Maryland before you pursue this line of idiocy much further.
Ron Paul had a brilliant election strategery. “Google Ron Paul” the signs said, and people did and realized what a friggin’ loon the guy was. Still, made for some interesting reading at Orcinus.
Also, a great reggae album: Toots In Memphis. Just trust me on this one.
Hey, I know! How about a NEW THREAD PLEASE for the luva christ PLEEZE
Hey, it’s October 2000! Thank god the economy is safe.
Hey, I know! How about a NEW THREAD PLEASE for the luva christ PLEEZE
Must be everyone’s bowling night.
I voted for Barr.
Democrats are part of the same exact power structure the Republicans are–its by Obama has given Bush a free pass.
While the Founders did not hold a future seance and get Edgar Cayce to tell them about microwave ovens and submachine guns, they were smart enough to build considerable flexibility into this and subsequent documents.
And since I’m totally into such things as laptop computers and dental anesthesia, I’m ready to roll with certain changes.
ehh, a new thread would just get soiled by the lame trooolz…
let’s keep whacking them over here…
I voted for Barr.
And you’re still running around loose?
and Sex Toyz, werebear. and sex toyz.
BTW, Ron Paul and the Austrian Economists PREDICTED this crisis.
But yeah, just keep calling them loons. Look what a wonderful job our Republicrat overlords have done governing robbing us blind.
Oh Matt, I suspect this one is worse: a Paultard!
The rampaging racism does argue for it.
I voted for Barr.
Christ, you are a looney, then. You do realize Bob Barr was quite happy being part of the power structure until he got booted out for the slightly less loopy John Linder. The drug was, DOMA, the War In Iraq were all supported by Barr until he was run off. The guy is an opportunist, nothing more.
Never mind. It was Annette who brought JA to America.
zombie: When the thread degenerates into dueling musical tastes, and with Teh Fool no less, it’s time to put it out of its misery.
“The drug was, DOMA, the War In Iraq were all supported by Barr until he was run off. The guy is an opportunist, nothing mor”
Hey, I would have voted for Ron Paul if I could. I agree he wasn’t the best choice, but we accept converts.
When will Obama investigate Bush for his crimes?
When the thread degenerates into dueling musical tastes…
Thanks for reminding me – I haven’t yet said “John Philip Sousa FTW” in this thread.
yeah, for fuck’s sake, twenty days, what does it take?
Damn, these “intelligent design” morons are actually kind of pissing me off on NOVA.
In that vein (outrage), someone left me a comment about Pammycakes being outraged. I could only laugh. It’s her constant state. I feel a heart attack coming on.
It will take a real vialbe third party candidate to bring REAL “change”.
MzN, sorry, I know how you feel about trool feedzoring.
But the punk-ass Fool got me going. Nonetheless, there were some nice contributions from Matt, M Bouff, and some others….
So. wanna discuss how much Creed sux?
Hey, I would have voted for Ron Paul if I could.
You’d vote for a guy who’d put the power of the federal government behind defining life as beginning at conception, thus making abortion totally illegal? Man, you do love you some freedom. And again, Barr is a flim-flam man of the highest order, and if the GOP’d have his hypocrite ass back (strong opponent of abortion, paid for his ex to have one), he’d be banging on the same drum he banged on in the ’90s.
But yeah, Paul’s candidacy was a huge joke, wasn’t it? I mean, the guy wasn’t even in the running, he was so laughable a candidate. Friggin’ Fred Thompson had a better chance.
Plus, the Mekons.
Damn, I needed to say that.
“You’d vote for a guy who’d put the power of the federal government behind defining life as beginning at conception, thus making abortion totally illegal?”
I am personally pro-choice, but the decision should be made at the STATE level not the federal level. I would support an amendment to the Constitution explicitly protecting abortion rights, though. That would be the proper constitutional way to do it.
One last plug for the late, lamented Blossom Dearie, “flayed alive beneath her pearly mask,” as Ben Bagley used to say. Fans (and anyone who loves music) pounce here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoZd4GKzOdQ
Only a handful of jazz masters were able to make THAT song swing.
Why is it that Dems are so into the abortion issue anyway?
If you guys made half the stink about the Drug War you make about abortion pot would be legal by now.
I wonder if Paul spent time crying into leftover copies of his racist newsletter once he realized there was no chance in hell he’d ever become president.
I mean, the guy wasn’t even in the running, he was so laughable a candidate. Friggin’ Fred Thompson had a better chance.
But but but… he had a blimp!
snk
WAAAA ha ha ha haaaa haaaa
Eff the STATE level. Like Alabama has the best interest of it’s women at heart.
Then get a Constitutional Amendment passed.
Abortion abortion abortion…why does it get so much attention by both sides? It’s such a stupid issue.
No, no, never mind. Here’s Bob Marley’s ghouls, & here’s Annette reprising her 1964 (?) hit, which brought, etc.
You first, dweeb.
The Republicrats just use abortion as a wedge/scare issue to get you to keep voting for the same two parties.
Roe v. Wade is never being overturned, and they both know it.
Why is it that Dems are so into the abortion issue anyway?
I’m not a Democrat, dingleberry, but for me it’s a matter of personal choice and a woman’s physical autonomy. And the “leave it to the states” thing worked so well pre-Civil Rights, didn’t it? I mean, Bible thumping loons like Ron Paul would never use something like that to outlaw abortion, would they?
And there’s too much money to be made in the Drug War for that to go away anytime soon. Libertarians talk a good game about that, but as guys like Barr prove, once the rubber hits the road, it’s all about whose palms get greased.
If you guys made half the stink about the Drug War you make about abortion pot would be legal by now.
As much as I agree that weed should be legal, women don’t fucking die because they can’t get stoned. Dig it.
“As much as I agree that weed should be legal, women don’t fucking die because they can’t get stoned. Dig it.”
People die every day from the drug war.
You’d vote for a guy who’d put the power of the federal government behind defining life as beginning at conception, thus making abortion totally illegal? Man, you do love you some freedom.
Some Libertarians are all about government not interfering in people’s lives, but they can’t accept that women are people. Heavy-gauge losers.
consortion?
I barely knew him!
When is Obama going to prosecute Bush for torture?
Or is he never going to?
I guess if its the latter I’m right when I say Obama is just a pretty new face put up by the system to keep it in power, huh?
plus, pot smokers just can’t maintain the focus necessary for the long game required to change the laws…
Candy, it’s a good point, but Why not both?
A Libertarian is just a Republican who wants to smoke pot.
Apparently, Ilbertarians now are required to have no knowledge of prior fights for liberty….
People die every day from the drug war.
Well, that’s more because we got thugs running the cops and military, and most of the people who get caught on the short end of the stick in the drug war are, shall we say, “the wrong type of people”. It’d take a massive overhaul of the justice system to effect any real change, and frankly, from what I can tell, most libertarians are like most conservatives when it comes to the guys with guns and sticks. Y’all plumb love ’em and think smacking in a few brown heads is just what’s needed.
It will take a real vialbe [sic] third party candidate to bring REAL “change”.
Hmmm. The VIALBE Party. Catchy, no?
A Libertarian is just a Republican who wants to smoke pot.
And is too authoritarian or cowardly to break the law to do it?
“from what I can tell, most libertarians are like most conservatives when it comes to the guys with guns and sticks.”
What are you talking about? Do you ever read any libertarian blogs? We fucking HATE cops! They’re militarized pigs.
I think that’s insulting and unfair and, uh, did you say you brought Mallomars?
Lew Rockwell, noted libertarian, refers to police officers as “jackbooted thugs”.
…did you say you brought Mallomars?
I’ve always wanted to try Mallomars. I don’t think they sell them here, out West.
I remember George Carlin did mention them as prime stoner food. “They line up at the truck for the Mallomars!”
What are you talking about? Do you ever read any libertarian blogs? We fucking HATE cops! They’re militarized pigs.
I’m not talking about what you say you stand for; I’m talking about the actual stances you wind up taking. Hell, even Neil Boortz and your boy Barr were down with the Patriot Act when it looked like a sure bet.
Mekons rocked.
Also, about Cobain. I said I’d rather he didn’t bother and that is not a slag on him or Novacelik (sp?) or Grohl (or the drummer before him). Nevermind really is one of the better rock albums of the ’90s (still doesn’t beat Bossanova or The Bends but whatever–very solid effort.) It’s just that Nirvana’s success kind of took rock back into a very conventional direction, and a lot of the so-called “alternative” that followed was pretty boring, IMO. But basically it was all you heard on rock radio.
In the 80’s by contrast you had new wave, post punk, speed metal, reggae, hip hop all being played on *commercial* rock radio. Well, at least where I grew up.
I have no idea what a mallowmar is, but right about now I’m sure I need one.
Candy, it’s a good point, but Why not both?
I thought I said that I thought weed should be legal. For that matter, I personally support all drug legalization. I also think one should be able to buy hydrocodone and diazepam over the counter. Not gonna happen.
Yes, Glibertarian, people die in the drug war, but not because their own damned doctors are prohibited from giving them perfectly safe medical procedures in the privacy of their doctor’s office because of some idiotic religious crap.
I’ve always wanted to try Mallomars. I don’t think they sell them here, out West.
And they’re not only regional, they’re seasonal, making them just that much more precious and coveted.
Lew Rockwell…isn’t he the guy that Reason claimed ghost-wrote most of Paul’s newsletters back in the day? And he said it was all hysterical garbage from political enemies? Ahhh, libertarian slapfight. Well, at least it keeps y’all from getting involved and fucking shit up with your simplistic political view.
If of course any of you could be bother to do anything but complain on blogs about how the evil gubmint is trying to take away MAH GUNS and make you pay taxes.
Ron Paul is a whack job. Glad that dude is nowhere near the presidency.
t4toby, a mallowmar is kind of like a peanut butter cup, with marshmallow replacing the peanut butter filling. You have to really, really crave the sweetness to be a mallowmar fan.
And they’re not only regional, they’re seasonal, making them just that much more precious and coveted.
Heh. I wonder if anybody ships them out here? It’s plenty cold in Salt Lake City now, so they wouldn’t melt if they had to sit on my doorstep for awhile.
Off to google ’em up…
I just used the googles and now I really, really want one.
Serves me right for partaking before dinner.
<i/but the decision should be made at the STATE level not the federal level.
Oh, hey, why not the COUNTY level, or, wait, the MUNICIPAL level, no, stop, NEIGHBORHOOD COUNCILS, aw, heck, let’s just let the INDIVIDUAL decide…
I’d be surprised at your hypocrisy if you hadn’t already proven that you’re a lying sniveltoad.
Speaking of stoner food, even as we speak I’m dipping Cheez-Its in ranch dressing. And to think, I haven’t been high in years.
Actually, a Mallomar is much more like a Moon Pie. Same basic ingredients in different proportion (also different size and shape.) To my taste, not as sweet as a peanut butter cup.
Candy, know your sweets!
Boortz is an idiot warmonger and a Republican apologist.
For me “My Boy Lollipop” is bluebeat. Like Prince Buster’s “Al Capone.”
“. Well, at least it keeps y’all from getting involved and fucking shit up with your simplistic political view.”
Yes unlike Republicans and Democrats who get elected…and fuck shit up with their idiotic political views.
OK, WordPress …
I964 (or so) hit.
Remember when the Democrats took that brave stance against the Iraq War and filibustered the war resolution to death when they controlled the Senate in 2002?
Yeah, me neither.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIaREvEjUkM
I give up. Time for dinner.
But yeah, Paul’s candidacy was a huge joke, wasn’t it? I mean, the guy wasn’t even in the running, he was so laughable a candidate.
He collected a pretty sizable pile of dough, though.
Yes unlike Republicans and Democrats who get elected…while libertarians never get elected and can’t fuck shit up with their idiotic political views .
Fixed.
Oh, hey, why not the COUNTY level, or, wait, the MUNICIPAL level, no, stop, NEIGHBORHOOD COUNCILS, aw, heck, let’s just let the INDIVIDUAL decide…
Hells yeah. I can hear it now:
Neighbor #1: What are you doing Friday night?
Neighbor #2: Well, I hear Bob is having a barbecue. Are you going?
N#1: I was going but then I heard the Smiths are having a hanging party. I’d like to go but I hear it’s white sheet and tails and I’m not really into that on a hot night here in Dixie.
N#2: Oh, that does sound like fun, though. I didn’t know the Smiths had passed a captal punishment bill. But wait, aren’t the Smiths a dry property? No alcohol on their premises. But the Warrens a block over have cocaine, booze, and prostitutes at their parties.
N#1: Decisions, decisions.
Mekons rocked.
Please, present tense….
They just celebrated 30 effin years of being punks outside of the music industry. I hear a new album is in the works. this spring…
He collected a pretty sizable pile of dough, though.
Which is, in the end, the most important thing in Libertarianland. The racism and misogyny are optional hobby things.
Hey, remember when libertarians were a serious political force in America and not a bunch of online kooks who’re terrified of THE GUBMINT TAKIN AWAY MAH GUNS and using taxpayer dollars for unneccessary trifles like roads and fire departments?Yeah, me neither.
If Democrats and Republicans are shit sandwhiches, the libertarians are shit sandwhiches with razor blades in them. You guys have nothing to offer and that’s the long and short of it.
They just celebrated 30 effin years of being punks outside of the music industry. I hear a new album is in the works. this spring…
Really? Well that is good news indeed.
Yes, Glibertarian, people die in the drug war, but not because their own damned doctors are prohibited from giving them perfectly safe medical procedures in the privacy of their doctor’s office because of some idiotic religious crap.
Yeah. If it was illegal to prescribe fuckin Viagra, you’d see a hella lot of Republicans going Civil Disobedience awful damn fast…
Heh. I wonder if anybody ships them out here? It’s plenty cold in Salt Lake City now, so they wouldn’t melt if they had to sit on my doorstep for awhile.
I once sent a bag of Reese’s Peanut Butter Cups to a friend in Genova. She was curious and said she’d never seen them, at least in her area of Italy.
I nominate Valomilks. Messy, but worth it.
I am fortunate enough to have a candy factory in the Park, with really good stuff. Nice dark chocolate selection.
(Cue Homer-type drooling.)
Man, I really wanted to like the Mekons ’cause I met Jon Langford at SXSW and he was a really nice guy. But I just can’t get into ’em, too sludgey and atonal for my tastes. *Shrug*
Handy:
http://www.touchandgorecords.com/bands/band.php?id=14
Yeah. If it was illegal to prescribe fuckin Viagra, you’d see a hella lot of Republicans going Civil Disobedience awful damn fast…
Especially if one had a big trip to the Dominican Republic coming up and needed to lay in a supply, so to speak . . .
Completely off topic but for all you animal lovers out there, two touching videos from the Victoria fires
Firefighter nurtures a wild Koala
http://tinyurl.com/awcl36
Woman is reunited with injured dogs.
http://tinyurl.com/aqjh2a
May the arsonists rot in jail forever.
Thanks zombie!
Matt, try “Rock N Roll” or “so Good It Hurts”
But the Mekes can be an acquired taste, admittedly. If not, try Langford’s other band the Waco Brothers.
I agree, he’s a hella nice guy. So are the rest of the people in all his bands. really appreciative of their fans.
Am I right or am I right?
Mmmmmm…no. You’re full of shit as a Christmas goose, as a matter of fact. And you obviously never listened to much Doug Sahm. “Doesn’t have much going on”, shit…
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Check out this photo of Rush Limbaugh. He’s Jabber the Hutt.
Yeah, my intro to Sahm was the Bottle Rockets trib album, but I immediately realized how much influence the guy had on more modern music.
especially wank-heavy guys like SRV.
zombie rotten mcdonald,
I have. Use to date a girl that worshipped Jon Langford, so I got an earful of it. It’s was all right, just never moved me. And I came up on country music, so you don’t want to get me started on the Waco Brothers. Actually, a disagreement about the Wacos inre: “being better than Buck Owens” is one of the reasons me and that girl broke up.
Don’t do it Matt. If the guy can’t tell the diff between soul and speed, he’s obviously a Truther Libertarian…
Candy, know your sweets!
You’re right! I’ve shamed my name! I think I was thinking of Valomilks. I see both here in central Iowa but not consistently. I think it’s seasonal here as well. They’re too sweet for me. And I love me!
OK Matt. Not everybody gets it the same way.
But if we’re ever in the same place on a night the Mekes or the Wacos are playing, expect me to buy you some alcohol and do my best to convince you outside of the romantic relationship baggage…. That’s a standing invite, friend.
Lesley, I look at that picture, and remember the things he says, and I know why he has to pay for it.
You are hard core, Matt.
The Fool,
Well, his versions of “Papa Ain’t Salty” and “Your Friends” for two. Besides, Doug could play Westside Texas blues as well as cojunto, country, R&B and straight rock & roll all on the same album. Check out the two records he did for Atlantic, Doug Sahm & Band and Texas Tornado then tell me I’m wrong. Matter of fact, I’m beginning to seriously doubt you’ve even heard of the guy before I brought him up.
And chill with the hostility. It’s unneccessary and makes you look like a douchebag. It’s only rock & roll, for Christ’s sakes.
He’s Jabber the Hutt.
Holy slobbering shit – now I feel even sorrier for his underage Dominican sex slaves.
Fucking idiot.
Heh.
Well, I need to go to bed. I ain’t Foolin’ around, if ya gnome sane man.
Rock & Roll Is Serious Business.
I never quite got the “so-and-so” is/was the greatest (insert instrument)-ist/er of all time.
Take drummers. In college all I heard from the Rush fans was how much Neil Peart gave them wood, but the guy himself will probably tell you Buddy Rich was the shizzle. But Rich wasn’t the one playing on 2112 or Fly By Night, so your average Rush fan could give a rat’s ass. On the other hand, David Gilmour never get mentioned among the “greatest” lead guitarists (maybe deservedly, maybe not) but Floyd wouldn’t have had the same sound without him. Same with Johnny Marr and the Smiths as a more recent example.
Point being that I don’t even bother judging these guys apart from the context of their own works. So it all seems rather inconsequential, when you get down to it.
zombie rotten mcdonald,
I’ve actually seen both of ’em play live. Don’t get me wrong, good shows. I’ve become pretty recidivist in my aural journies these days. There’s plenty of blues, soul, R&B and country for me to listen to.
t4toby,
I used to be, back when I was young and could afford to be hardcore. Now, I’m old and alone, so who knows if it paid to be that big a hardass, even if it is Buck Owens. Plus, that girl had the distressing habit of comparing everything I did unfavorably to an old boyfriend, so it was basically a combination of things.
Anybody who’s still a Libertarian after the age of 18 or so has lost the right to ever be taken seriously again.
So it all seems rather inconsequential, when you get down to it.
Well, yeah, but ain’t that the point? I mean, we could be discussing A-Rod and how he’s ruining the holy sport of baseball/every player takes steroids so why should we blah blah blah…
If I had something better to do, I’d be doing it.
Check out this photo of Rush Limbaugh. He’s Jabber the Hutt. Sorry to point out the obvious, but the guy is really looking freakishly fat. Like he’s had to make up for kicking his Oxycontin addiction by eating more doughnuts. Wow.
So when will Bush be prosecuted?
Or is Obama, in reality, just a pretty new face on the same old corrupt system?
I’m going with the latter. He and Bush are probably best pals secretly.
If I had something better to do, I’d be doing it.
I think that should be the motto of this – no, wait, every blog. Well done!
I’m dividing my time between this and watching the Westminster Kennel Club show. It’s in New York, so I bet some of the participants are ducking out and buying Mallomars.
And the slender gal handling the Samoyed looks like an old girlfriend of mine. Yum.
Hey I was dividing my time with watching Mike Rowe milk spiders….
Matt, fair enough. Still would buy you a drink.
Take drummers.
Joe Morello. Word.
Yeah, ‘Papa Ain’t Salty”!!
An ol’ buddy of mine, whose basement was beer’n’tokes central in our trying-to-go-to-college days, had the LP “The Return of Doug Saldana”. We played the shit outta that.
Later, I wanted a copy for my own, but it was delisted. A little bit of Googling tells me it’s now available again as a CD. Sweet! Thanks for the memory jog.
That was a different radio era and there’s a lot more targeting now. Moreover big labels shed a lot of their weirder acts in the 90s, banking on hits instead of catalog, and indies tend not to get on the radio.
Check out this photo of Rush Limbaugh. He’s Jabber the Hutt.
I’ve seen him fatter. I remember seeing some video of him “walking” on a golf course in the early ’90s, back when he was finding his purpose in life thanks to Bill and Hillary Clinton. I remember thinking, “There is a man who doesn’t have 10 more years to live”. Sadly, I was proven wrong.
Matt, fair enough. Still would buy you a drink.
At the risk of coming off as a totally insolent jackass…I don’t drink anymore. Heh.
Take drummers.
You can have mine if you want him. Hey, drummer joke: how do you know a drum riser’s level? Drool’s running out of both sides of the drummer’s mouth.
I’m dividing my time between this and watching the Westminster Kennel Club show. It’s in New York, so I bet some of the participants are ducking out and buying Mallomars.
First time in years I’m not watching. My cocker spaniel and I had an annual ritual: portable TV in the bathroom, watching together while I bathed her in the tub. She died last spring and it wouldn’t be the same without her.
What’s the difference between a drummer and a savings bond?
The savings bond will eventually mature and earn money.
OK Matt, you’re a totally insolent jackass. 🙂
So we’ve got that in common.
True, and I suppose it’s unfair to shoulder all the blame on grunge, but remember the media consolidation really didn’t take off until later in the decade. It was just almost overnight you had all these cookie cutter Nirvana or Pearl Jam wannabes. And before we knew it we had Creed.
Oh God, did I just resurrect Creed Chat on this thread? Shoot me now.
She died last spring and it wouldn’t be the same without her.
Oh, man. My condolences.
I got away with everything! Thanks, Barack!
Hey, the Insufferable Music Snobbery chased the troolz away. Who knew?
handy,
I think that’s just unlucky coincidence. Remember, it’s also about the time country radio smoothed off all the rough edges, giving suburban white people something to listen to that wasn’t either depressing (modern rock radio) or full of gays and minorities (modern pop music). That’s about the time Clear Channel first got really huge and the number of companies owning major labels dropped to something like four or so.
Creed, Big & Rich and Mariah Carey are all inevitable results of unfettered free marketism.
oops. Spoke too soon. Sorry.
Dead Kennedys!! Rush!!! Led Zeppelin!!
I got away with EVERYTHING!
Thanks, Xecky. She was nearly 18 and had a good life.
OK let’s switch up the snobbery a bit then. Why the frakk am I supposed to care about Alex Rodriguez taking steroids five years ago?
That’s pretty long, NY Guy. You must have some great memories.
We had a mixed breed that made it to fifteen. She was the bestest dog.
I got away with EVERYTHING!
Aren’t you supposed to be tonguejacking shitboxes, George?
And are you drinking again?
cuz drugs are BAD handy.
they prevent you from living your life fully. Just look at Michael Phelps…. wait.
handy,
I have no idea. My brother’s a baseball fan and it’s chapping him something awful, and he’ll go off on tangents about it and I’ll say, “Hellfire, remember you’re getting mad about a kid’s game played by guys who get paid, at the very least, more than our parents ever saw, mostly for standing around and scratching their nuts” and that’s when he throws something at me. The guys at LG&M think it’s a big deal, though.
Just look at Michael Phelps…. wait.
Legalize it!
And are you drinking again? yes.
another edition of short answers etc…..
Dead Kennedys!! Rush!!! Led Zeppelin!!
I interview Jello Biafra about the time the other members of DK were suing him because of some bullshit reason. About halfway through the convorsation, he just stopped and let out a world-weary sigh about how his friends were no longer his friends. Broke my heart.
I also met John Paul Jones at the same SXSW I met Jon Langford. He did a solo set and played Zeppelin songs on a double-neck steel guitar and it was FUCKING AWESOME! JPJ doesn’t open his jaw. I have no idea why.
another edition of short answers etc…..
Well, it’s kind of a trick question. GWB can’t be drinking again if he never actually stopped.
Money ruins so many bands, Matt.
That’s pretty long, NY Guy. You must have some great memories.
She looked a lot like the young Jennifer Jones. Some called her the “cocktail spaniel” because she could not be trusted around an unattended screwdriver. Her occasional ingestions of a bag of bud were less amusing.
I’ll drop it now; getting too sentimental.
Hey, I’m new to this thread.
Have I missed anything?
Have I missed anything?
Mallomars.
Discussion only – nobody was actually handing them out, alas.
I also met John Paul Jones at the same SXSW I met Jon Langford.
I would have died from awesome.
because she could not be trusted around an unattended screwdriver
hey, who can?
700th!
I have the dubious distinction of being sued for libel by one of American Thinker’s “leading lights,” Rachel Neuwirth. I did her the favor of calling her a Kahanist pig & she argued that I’d accused her of being an actual bomb throwing terrorist. Irony and nuance are lost on wingnuts like that.
700th!
Usually this means that a thread has been hijacked in some unpleasant directions. I’m pleased to see this isn’t the case this time.
Hey, clif, if you don’t put up a new post, this one is going to break 1K.
Do you want that?
I would have died from awesome.
I also hung out with The Supersuckers and Billy Gibbons from ZZ Top, as well as Cajun music legend Jo-El Sonnier. And I stayed drunk on free booze the entire time (still drank back then). It was a pretty kickass week. Only downside is I missed my chance with this smokin’ hot woman from some PR company or other ’cause I had to go across town and see my boy Ray Wylie Hubbard.
I also think that was the same one I interviewed Ike Turner. Hard-eyed motherfucker right there.
Hey, I’m new to this thread.
Have I missed anything?
Not much, just the typical glibtard morans with their false equivalences about how the three week presidency of Obama is JUST AS BAD ZOMG!!! as eight years of Cheney/Bush.
Hey Matt, apologies up front if the question’s been asked and answered many times over on these here boards, but it sounds like you actually work in (or around) music. Are you in journalism?
> Ron Paul is a whack job. Glad that dude is nowhere near the presidency.
Has anybody ever seen Ross Perot and Ron Paul in the same room at the same time?
I have.
we were all pullin tubes during a Monty Python weekend back in the 90s…
Wait…Troothy is a Ron Paul fan now? Whatever, assnuts.
And BTW, yes, “Libertarian” is indeed The Troofus, putting on his “I’m not really a Bush cockgobbler” hat. Nice try, dimwit.
The fact is, here in the Heartland we like Ron Paul but his problem is he isn’t willing to win the war of terror against Islamofashion. So he’s out. Also.
Micky Hart wrote in his book “Drum” that it wasn’t until fifty-thousand years ago that man picked up a stick and beat it against a hollow log to make the first drum. Then he asked the reader what the hell humankind was doing the previous four to six billion years. If music is a process of evolution, what has classical music evolved to, or jazz for that matter. Should music be thought of as matter of discovery and imitation rather than evolution? How clear are the paths of evolution in music? What can music evolve into – direct stimulation of the CNS possibly, a euphoric, a recording of bodily functions played back to solicit civilized or conformist reactions? Is it a reflection of man’s evolution? Does music exist independent of humankind? Is there a rhythm to our lives that we then attempt to express with instruments that imitate it or imagine it differently?
yeah, purple Onion was pullin tubes too.
I don’t think he’s stopped.
Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey, Macarena!
We are now less than 3 hours* away from Teh 24 Hour Thread That Would Not Die**.
* Not valid for those using metric time
** Haven’t checked in on the history thread lately so blart blart
PS – CREED!!!!!!
PPS – WOLVERINES!11!!!ELEVEN!
PPPS – just kill me now
he asked the reader what the hell humankind was doing the previous four to six billion years.
Well, for all but about 200,000 of them, not existing.
Also, would someone kindly explain how to install the lib/modules/… in the initrd rootfs using busybox? I think I had tee many martoonis.
The fact is, it isn’t.
yeah, well, drummers have a lousy sense of time.
Thankew!! I’ll be here all week!! Tip the troolz.
Also, would someone kindly explain how to install the lib/modules/… in the initrd rootfs using busybox? I think I had tee many martoonis.
Put down the computer!
Friends don’t let friends sysadmin drunk.
Where does Mickey Blart (stupid San Francisco hippy) get the idea that drumming only goes back 50K yrs.?
Where does Mickey Blart (stupid San Francisco hippy) get the idea that drumming only goes back 50K yrs.?
Count yourself lucky. If he wasn’t a DFH, he’d be claiming it was 6000 (or so) years.
handy,
Used to be. I worked in journalism for about 15 years, the bulk of which was in small-town newspapers, and the last six was spent being a gonzo music journalist. It was a lot of fun, but I let myself get burnt slap out. I don’t write anything anymore and don’t have the urge. I’ve also played in a couple of deservedly forgotten bands and worked a couple clubs doing everything from tending bar to booking. Plus, I live in Athens, GA, and one almost has to go out of one’s way to not have some sort of connection with the music bidness in this town.
And for what it’s worth, I don’t miss the job at all. No one is ever happy with what you do. Seriously, it’s been almost five years since I quit and I still have stress nightmares. I used to cover sports and now I can watch an entire baseball game. It’s probably why I don’t really pay much attention to new music anymore, as well. Apart from Gnarls Barkley and J. Roddy Walston & The Business (google them; they’re FUCKING AWESOME), I really haven’t heard anything that turns me on and am quite happy with my Hank Williams Jr. and Otis Redding and Clarence “Gatemouth” Brown.
Oh, yeah. I also did some political journalism for some now-defunct mags and websites, and I am so glad I was past the point of rescue by that time. Seriously. If the last 8 years has done anything, it’s increased my loathing of political journalists to the level of hatred I have for sports journalists.
“Jr.”?!11????!”
Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey, Macarena!
SomeNYguy said it better than me…
Where does Mickey Blart (stupid San Francisco hippy) get the idea that drumming only goes back 50K yrs.?
Dunno, but I bet magic mushrooms come into play somewhere or another.
Hell yes, Junior. Before he started taking himself WAY too seriously with the whole uber-redneck shtick, Bocephus was awesome. Find yourself a copy of his Hank Williams Jr.& Friends album. Tis badass.
Yeah Athens is a crucible for sure. I was starting to get excited about one particular Athens band, Of Montreal, but then they had to go and disappoint me with their last album. Oh well.
Thanks. I actually worried it might be considered too cruel a retort.
Thanks. I actually worried it might be considered too cruel a retort.
You broke the ice. That post kind of turned things awkward for a bit.
Once III came along I pretty much (in my dismissive way) publicly figured the talent gene had skipped a generation, but yeah, I do remember Bocephalus actually being pretty good when he first came up.
Got this through Cole, but further proof the Republican Party is a coven of frightening stupidity here.
God damn youngsters talkin ’bout all dish shit I doan know.
Rock and Roll died in 1967. Pee Eee Ar Eye Oh Dee.
Git offa my lawn!
PS – two hours to 24 hour threaddom
What was Leonard Pierce talking about as a great metal record a while back? Anyone remember?
Earthless? I like them but I’ve shortened up a few of their songs on my ipod because I don’t have the attention span for 20 minute jams. Their most kick ass song, Godspeed, is not on the YouTube unfortunately but I could probably get it to if you want it.
Rock and Roll died in 1967.
When I recorded “Downtown”.
With the legal expertise at my disposal I was able to plea bargain it down to justifiable homicide.
M. Bouffant,
See, Hank III just doesn’t do anything for me. Granted, I haven’t heard anything since his first two records, but neither his country stuff nor his punk stuff turned me on. And I never thought he was a patch – singing, playing or songwriting – on his old man.
Plus, Bocephus is part of my childhood. You couldn’t be a wild-eyed country boy in rural Mississippi in the ’80s and not dig you some “Family Tradition” or “Whiskey Bent & Hell Bound”. Plus, he fell off a goddamn mountain and literally cracked his skull open and ripped his face off. And then he went on to be the biggest thing in country music since his old man.
That all being said, it’s tough being a liberal Hank Williams Jr. fan. Or a liberal country music fan, for that matter, but I’ve spent my entire life not fitting in, so what else is new.
I should have self-defense. The truth (not “The Truth”) is always funnier.
I should have said. Two Makers Marks and I’m fucked up. (I held my liquor better when I was alive.)
No need to apologize, Old Blue Eyes. I do that junk all the time even when I’m sober.
Hey, so like, talking about music from the 70s……guess what I just got done doing, totally on impulse?
I just got back from seeing a live gospel version of “Jesus Christ Superstar.”
The last time I even heard that music was while running the downstage left truss spot for a two week run back in…oh maybe 1992.
And the time before that was in my dorm room, stoned, in the dark, while the vinyl album went round and round in the dark, the 2-disc LP clunking down on the record-changer..
This was totally weird. Actually, it was a pretty interesting idea – to gospel-ize it. The chorus kicked ass. But it was weird to hear the music again.
And it was uncanny – I remembered every single word.
Make it one for my baby,
And one more for the toad.
WTF? I mean, WTF, over.
I wuz tryin to find some Big Bad Voodoo Daddy on youztoob but dey aint shite! “You know you wrong” is worthwhile but the only youzeytoobzey clip I can find with decent quality is an anti-Obama thing.
*sigh*
The world has passed me by.
ALSO FYWP with a blarting Krugman Cock!!!
I totally kick Jesus Christ Superstar‘s ass. And I always will.
Yeah yeah yeah. Quadrophenia was everything Tommy was supposed to be. Eat BLART libtards!
yeah, well a blind pinball player ain’t NUTHIN on a NY street kid who gets his willy chopped off….
yeah, well a blind pinball player ain’t NUTHIN on a NY street kid who gets his willy chopped off….
Little little little willy won’t… go homego home!
Holy FUCK! Did you see that hair? And to think I grew up wid dat shit.
Hokay – I never grew up. BUT…that bshite was on the radio when I wuz a yungin.
I was in JC Superstar. Now that was fun!
Really, toby?
Kewl.
When I was in college, I was in with a bunch of born-again kids who listened to the damn album over and over again – I think we all missed some of the irony and cynicism in the text, BTW.
When I broke with them, I could hardly stand to hear it anymore. But then in the 90’s I got paid a lot of money to work the show, and because I knew it so well, it was pretty easy work.
But this show – it’s in Atlanta, GA – is a pretty interesting take on it. Pretty good.
Joyce: “after I made a hard point, my partner offered…“I don’t do that,” I said, and I gave her a stern look. It’s not the first time…I didn’t stop…because…Time is a Sin. I just…fived her with my racquet, and went on playing.”
There. Less cold and inhospitable.
When I was an exchange student in the Ukraine I had a walkman and that was the only tape I had. I was inclined to musical theatre, so it kinda stuck.
Once again.
FAILtroll is FAILing.
I had the “lap chole” as they call it in the local hospitals. I went into the hospital at 8:30 AM and was home in time for the lunch I didn’t want to eat. Woulda been home sooner if I’d been steadier on my feet in post-op, but they didn’t realise I’m never really steady on my feet, and less so when I’ve got a head full of drugs and an IV pole attached. Within two weeks you could barely even tell I’d had surgery. I’ll tell you, having the surgery is much less annoying than even two days of gallbladder pain, and not even the equivalent of fifteen minutes of a really bad attack.
I had a sum total of three gallstones, each of which was the size of a marble. I’ve got one of them in a specimen bottle around here somewhere, just for laughs. When I was in post-op, the nurses were walking by and seeing it and saying, “Did that come out of you?!” Heh. There is an ultrasonic anti-gallstone procedure, but it only works if you have pretty small stones, and it doesn’t stop them from coming back, which they generally do.
Being without the gallbladder isn’t bad, I just get indigestion if I eat too much grease all at once. I’ve slowly lost over 20 lbs in the 8 years since my surgery simply because I’ve had to modify my eating habits. I don’t miss fast food hamburgers; once you’ve gotten sick on them once, that’s kind of it. 😀
Good luck.
Will all units please report back to the base for EXTENSIVE retraining?
I went into the hospital at 8:30 AM and was home in time for the lunch I didn’t want to eat.
No fucking shit. What happened to at least a nice restful over-night stay after they cut one to shreds?
You guys are still here?
Are all the Sadly, Nosians on a massive bender?
This one has run so long that I can drop my usual reticence about appearing stupid in this august company and just type, like, anything. What’s the thread count on your sheets? And has anyone mentioned diammonium phosphate yet? (Sorry, had to skip the last 500 or so comments due to time constraints.)
So, do wingnuts use DAP to fertilize their paranoid imagination? It’s widely used in the beer-brewing industry, so perhaps that extends to the fear-spewing industry.
Fucking hell! This guy in the Missouri House is allowed to vote… and have children???
because she could not be trusted around an unattended screwdriver
I had the same problem as a child, but I always reassembled the clocks afterwards…
Oh.
So anyone else love old Butthole Surfers? Anyone else share my (considered odd) undying crush on Gibby Haynes?
I don’t crush on Gibby ’cause I’m a guy, but pass me some of that dumbass over here, boy.
I voted for Barr.
So this card-carryin’ “Libertarian” voted for the guy who spent six years trying to peek into a President’s pants?
LOL!
First, loony libs!
Candy skrev:
Technically true, in that the dogs of Harry J. Anslinger sprouted all over me are not the cause of certain patients’ deaths, just the reason why those deaths are all hot and hurt and stuff.
…I swear, that “sprouted all over me” was crossed out in the preview. Furgem halostuffs.
“Anyone who’s ever played guitar — which I take it does not include you — can easily hear who’s playing the more difficult material.”
So you pop in a CD to hear difficult material? Why aren’t you wasting your time (and ours) making a case for Yngwie Malmsteen here instead?
I do play guitar, and fuck a buncha white boys running interminable blues scales to impress considerably less motivated, tore down white guys in pleated khakis. What Steve Cropper has spent his life doing is orders of magnitude more difficult to accomplish than taking countless four minute spotlight noodles at center stage. Not that you’d know. I’m sure you kept the wrapping and packaging from all your childhood Christmas presents and threw away their contents, too. Also. And such as.
/Billy Zoom
//and Danny Gatton, you wheezing geezer
Check out this photo of Rush Limbaugh. He’s Jabber the Hutt. Sorry to point out the obvious, but the guy is really looking freakishly fat.
He looks like Gen. Burkhalter on Hogan’s Heroes. No disrespect intended to Leon Askin.
I just high-fived her with my racquet
and then I annointed her head with a polo mallet.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/president-obama-is-litera_b_166152.html
Any one who thinks in this manner should have an IQ test before they are allowed to vote.
Why, when the Fool talks about the music he loves (as opposed to what he hates or pretends to hate to get a rise out of people), do I immediately think of the scene in Ghost World where “Blues Hammer” hits the stage?
If your guitar solos are like your blog comments, tell me when your band is playing next so I can stay home.
Julia Grey, the W hand sign is used by some gangbangers on the West Coast to signify that…well, they are from the ‘W’est Coast, or fin other areas where a gang thinks of itself as being from the West side of whatever city they live in. I know, cheesy not that interesting once you know what it means…:)
WESTSIIIIIIIIDE! 😛
“I turn His face around. Whenever I’m standing in line in a store, and find coverboy Obambi staring at me, I turn the offensive magazines around to face backwards. … By hiding His image, I may be slightly interfering with commerce, but if I can prevent one more person from being suckered into socialism, I’ll do it.”
Does capitalizing “Him” mean Obama is God?
Joyce is sending mixed messages.
It’s funny. When I go to the bookstore, I move all the bibles to the fiction section. I wonder if we could start some sort of team?
I was not aware that B. Hussein Obama invented daps.
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What you and your fellow republicans need to do is to start a campaign requesting that Mattthew Hale be released from Prison.
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