The worstest idea evar
Hey Democrats! Want to avoid losing your majorities in Congress? Then I suggest throwing this “bad bank” idea back down into the craphole from whence it came:
Schumer: bad bank estimates go up to $4 trillion
The cost of the government setting up a “bad bank” to buy up toxic assets from struggling U.S. banks could range as high as $4 trillion, according to some experts, Sen. Charles Schumer said on Thursday.
“There are some estimates that if you do a full good bank, bad bank, that it ends up being as high as three trillion dollars, and that’s a lot of money that could mess up lots of other parts of the financial system,” Schumer told reporters.
“I’ve talked to various experts. The estimates vary, from one to four,” the Senate Banking Committee member said.
Guys — if you actually go through with this, the Republicans will correctly pummel you for spending $4 TRILLION ON WORTHLESS TRASH. Please, please, please do not do this unless you truly hate this country and want to bring on President Sarah Palin.
Good bank vs. bad bank in epic krump battle
bring on President Sarah Palin.
A cold chill just ran down my spine.
Then some warm liquid ran down my leg.
Listen, if Chuck Schumer, who’s practically a DINO, says no, then it’s not going to happen.
Rusty, Krump is soooooooooooooooo 2004. It jumped the shark in 2007 when “So You Think You Can Dance” actually featured it as a dance style in the competition.
Bailing out the banks but not nationalizing them? Yeah, that’ll teach ’em.
And people wonder why I’m a socialist. Yeah, I wonder too.
OTOH, a President Palin will insure that this true gem will never, ever fade into obscurity.
Every time I hear the phrase, “bad bank,” I think of the Neil Sedaka song from the 1970s, “Bad Blood.” I think that’s more frightening than the idea of spending $4 trillion to buy all the crappy assets U.S. banks have on their balance sheets.
But if the Dems don’t get to work on doing completely shite-brained things while they are in the majority, how can we possibly expect them to properly and Americanly cede all control to the Republicans like they are supposed to?
Come on, people. Think.
If the government is having problems finding shitpiles to buy, I have a ton of worthless crap in my closet that needs to GO! GO! GO!
I’ll even give them the nice face discount.
Exactly. The way to do a bad bank is to nationalize the insolvent banks, wipe out the shareholders, and TAKE the bad assets, not PAY for it.
The RTC of the Savings & Loan fiasco only took on the bad assets after shutting down the failed banks. It didn’t pay the bastards to take the crap off their hands.
I have a ton of worthless crap in my closet that needs to GO! GO! GO!
eBay. I just sold a broken camera for $100.
Well, lord knows Schumer has never been wrong and gives only the bestest advice.
Sooner or later the Dems are gonna have to break out the N-word and then steamroll the GOP hissy-fit that will immediately ensue.
Nothing will bring on President Palin. She won’t even get past New Hampshire.
#D.N. Nation said,
January 30, 2009 at 18:03
Nothing will bring on President Palin. She won’t even get past New Hampshire.
If things get REALLY bad–1930s bad–do not be surprised if a really wacked-out theocratic platform emerges from the Right. Palin would be on that ticket, and–under the proper circumstances–would win…
#D.N. Nation said,
January 30, 2009 at 18:03
Nothing will bring on President Palin. She won’t even get past New Hampshire.
Do NOT be surprised, if things get REALLY bad (1930s bad), to see a full-on, rightard/theocrap-tastic ticket from the Pukes, and Palin right in the thick of it (you HAVE seen her ankles, right?).
If things get 1930s bad we’ll definitely see a Palin ticket. That’s why the Limbaugh Republicans are cheering for Obama to fail.
Palin/Romney ’12!
I remember when you libs said Ronald Reagan was a stupid B-movie actor who would NEVER be elected!
You’re not that old.
What you doing still alive, RS? I thought you said life ended at birth.
I remember when you Repubs said Barack Obama was a lightweight, a terrorist sympathizer, a naive optimist, a corrupt Chicago pol (at the same time!), a Muslim, an atheist and black-blackey-black-black, and could never be elected! Memories are funny that way, huh?
I guess huffing paint really does make you “remember” a lot of things that never happened.
Looks like the GOP is laying the groundwork to dig up Reagan’s rotted corpse and run it in ’12.
Aw, dammit, Steerpike, you wangdangled my punch line.
The parallels between the 2012 election and the first re-election of Roosevelt are shaping up pretty interestingly.
FDR ran against Alf Landon, a staunchly Republican governor (Kansas) who ran on a platform of reducing taxes while balancing a budget, something Palin should find fairly easily in a shithole state like Alaska, which really doesn’t suffer from many of the problems the lower 48 does.
Landon was pro-New Deal, but anti-union. The Republican party was in disarray in 1936, and turned to him to unite them.
Epic fail. He went on to lose with less than 40% of the popular vote.
And only 8 electoral votes!
I aint’ dangled no wangs! I’m at work
I remember when you libs said Ronald Reagan was a stupid B-movie actor who would NEVER be elected!
Well, you’ve got me there. I have to admit that, yes, the last few decades have proven that stupid B-movie actors – and alcoholic trust-fund simpletons – CAN get elected president.
Now, who wants pie?
I have to admit that, yes, the last few decades have proven that stupid B-movie actors – and alcoholic trust-fund simpletons – CAN get elected president.
And still fail, epically.
toby,
Thanks for video!
I think you’re right, actor. When economic times are bad, “social issues” will not be a priority, and that’s the GOPs main draw. While the GOP will no doubt say all the economic problems are the fault of the Democratic Party, I don’t think there will be enough stupid people to make someone as foolish as Palin President.
…a naive optimist, a corrupt Chicago pol (at the same time!)…
Also a Muslim who completely internalized the teachings of a Christian minister over 20 years of sitting in the pews while blah blah blah Goddamn America.
Then they should nominate Huckleberry.
While the GOP will no doubt say all the economic problems are the fault of the Democratic Party…
Never! They’ll say the problems are the fault of the Democrat Party.
Based on what I can see, I think Huck’s the man in 2012. He’ll be creamed at the polls, to be sure, but I can’t see anyone else on the horizon who’d be both stupid enough to run against an incumbent President while popular enough to garner primary wins.
Also a Muslim who completely internalized the teachings of a Christian minister over 20 years of sitting in the pews while blah blah blah Goddamn America.
He used to sit in the pews thinking, “I just hate it when I have to listen to the blasphemous teachings of this Christ-worshipping infidel just to get to the good ‘kill whitey’ stuff.”
Corpse/Huck ’12
Hucklepalin (or Palinhuckle) ’12 w00t!
Scorpion/Battery ’12
(Obscure Simpsons reference ’09)
We’ll see Palin again. Mark my words–we’ll see her again. She’s exactly the sort of nasty, know-nothing Limbaugh-parroter that makes social cons’ legs tingle. 2012 or 2016…we’ll see her again.
Based on what I can see, I think Huck’s the man in 2012.
I agree, for the reasons you give. However, as sane non-Republicans, we have no way of predicting what that brain-damaged party will do. No one could have foreseen Palin’s elevation to VP candidate even a week before it happened, not even McCain. Admittedly the Redoublechins were in an unusually floundery mood even for them at the time, but they’re not given to deep strategy and introspection and stuff.
I don’t think they’ll go with Huck because they see him as too much of a “liberal,” like they saw McCain in ’08. They’ll “correct” that mistake by going with a “true conservative” hand picked this time by party leader Limbaugh.
Romney/Inanimate Metal Rod ’12
Goldberg/-Lo ’12
Carbon Rod has a much better shot than Metal Rod.
Dildo/Wetsuit 2012
Alien vs. Predator! Which one is the good bank and which one is the bad bank? Who knows! Who cares!
Carbon rod! Crap.
Korir/Whitey Tape ’12
Being a lifelong resident of Arkansas, I can assure you that Huck is a very Bible-oriented guy – heck, he’s even mentioned in the Bible!
Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Palin/Gein ’12
I’m not sure about that verse, LilPig…isn’t that the Bible that has this line from the Lord’s Prayer:
“And lead us not into temptation, for we can find it ourselves…”
Goldberg/-Lo ‘12
Nah, let’s rescind that damn citizenship requirement and get Schwarzenegger/Yoshida ’12 going!
Tea/Crumpets ’12
The REAL 2012 Unity Ticket:
Spy / Spy
*I can’t believe we’re talking about 2012, a week and a half into Obama’s first term!
Hell, if you can get maybe $4 trillion for a bad bank, how much will they pay for a truly shitty bank?
This idea is ugly & it needs to die.
Somebody needs to ask Obama how in hell he’s going to do any of the smart stuff he put on his agenda if he blows the Treasury on buying a big-ass trainload of diamond-studded fiscal buggy-whips. This “bad bank” crap is like vaccine for political common sense. Just be straight-up, don’t make yourself look dense pretending it serves any real function – & call it an Economic Incompetence Subsidy.
Alternative-energy plan? Toast. Infrastructure reboot? Boned. Job creation? Hooped. Tax cuts for poor & middle-class Americans? Confetti.
Yes, it so happens that I like pie … & I understand that there’s no such thing as an infinite one.
America needs to get the fuck out of Iraq, NOW … best first step toward financial sanity available. Then it’s time to subject the Pentagon to “Operation Hardcore Liposuction” aka “Black Budget, My Ass”.Tax churches next – sorry, godboys, free-ride-time is over … let’s see how well your vaunted faith stands up to a REAL test. Hack the eternal refuge of cretins that is American business law, so we’re not all paying some weak-fuck CFO’s for three-hour “business lunches” in which to hoover canapes & inhale martinis … or involuntarily subsidizing redundant mountains of neurotoxic ads that rape our souls & waste our time & space.
There – nobody had to die for it, & you just got a few cold hard trillion to play with. Don’t spend it all in one place.
Shittybank (C) is currently trading at a $20 billion market capitalization.
Ruppert/Troofy ’12
Kang/Kodos 2012
weak-fuck CFO’s for three-hour “business lunches” in which to hoover canapes & inhale martinis
I resemble that remark! Except I’m not a weak-fuck, of course…
Nooks/Crannies! ‘morrows b-fast
Time to go with the Swedish model. Even
Barry Ritholtz agrees.
The sooner the better for all of us.
jim for Economy Czar.
Time to go with the Swedish model.
Didn’t Peter Sellers come up with that one?
Fucking liberal new media! TPMhas a story up about some ex-congresscritter running a stoopid scam. NOWHERE in it do they say he was a REPUBLICAN. Fucking liberal media.
Time to go with the Swedish model.
Agreed. She’s worked great for computer imagery research for decades.
The parallel for Obama is not Roosevelt, but Jimmy Carter.
Carter was elect on a message of “hope and change”, winning against a moderate Republican and turned out to be an epic fail, defeated by a TRUE conservative when he ran for re-election.
Didn’t Peter Sellers come up with that one?
And Rod Stewart.
No, you eternally idiotic racist PoS, the argument is not based on the rising tide of non-whites. It’s based on the fact that you’re racist, stoopid pieces of shit.
jim for Economy Czar.
It’ll cost you three percent – up front. No checks.
What’s three percent of nothing?
Mein Fuhrer! I can valk!!
I am RedStater75!
A racist is what a liberal calls you when they’ve lost an argument.
Don’t blame me – I voted for Pendejo
I expect Palin to crash and burn long before the ’12 primary even starts. The ‘wah, the media is being mean to me’ routine runs out of steam pretty fast after it becomes obvious to everyone it’s the primary reason people are paying attention to you. I barely expect her to survive as a public figure until the ’10 midterms – by then she’ll be basically the Paris Hilton of conservatism, a widely-reviled attention whore the mentioning of whose tediously banal achievements will go from baffling to hateful even among those most predisposed to accept her celebrity at face value.
I submit that Sam the Skinhead will outlast Sarah the She-Klansman by a wide margin, if only because Pajamas Media won’t be able to afford The Hottie And The Nottie-style failures with SP’s ridiculously lavish personal tastes. Not to say that the involvement of Pajamas or some other dross-printing machine with Palin wouldn’t be a welcome development – half of their assets would disappear into designer flannel shirts and deliberately tacky pantsuits before they realized they were being fleeced.
What’s three percent of nothing?
$3,971,242,510.23
What jim said. In fact, what jim just about always says.
I remember when you libs said Ronald Reagan would never be President, Alec!
Ignore the ignorant. It’s the law.
Yeah, you all know who you are. I’m lookin’ at all a yuz.
Brown M&M/Light Brown M&M!
By smaller margins than any election of the last twenty years, but nice try. Eventually even the doughty people of South Rhodesia must self-genocide, as the Jewess of Linz could tell all of us.
Black black black black. (Still better than RS.) Black black black black black.
400 yrs. of kidnapping, slavery, rape, murder, theft, discrimination, police harassment vs. random minister who said ‘Goddamn America’ and non-existent audio-tape.
“White Americans” disgust me.
Sometimes a huge lockstop minority voter can bring things like me.on.
Proofreading is always the first thing to go when that red haze starts crawling in from the sides of your vision, isn’t it?
You’re one to talk, Arthur.
Because Ronald Reagan was a jaded local-news hack whose loud friends got him the VP nod for one of history’s worst campaigns, and he proceeded to weedle his way back into the public affections by whining about how terrible the media had been to him.
No, wait, there I go again,I’m thinking of two-term President Spiro Agnew.
See, the bigot is at least capable of forming an independent thought. You don’t understand why you’re comparing things to Reagan, you just trust Rush on this one.
I’m also an anti-semite.
Damn you, Xecky. Your link has enthralled me.
Incidentally, the ‘70% of African-Americans voted for Prop 8’ thing is a lie. The number that actually voted could disappear pretty handily into the number of left-handed Mormons in the state.
Ronald Reagan feigned Alzheimer’s so much during his presidency that he decided to keep it when he left office.
Oh noes! Did someone destroy the lib fantasy of the “rainbow coalition”?
Hint: You know who else doesn’t like gays? MUSLIMS!
Oh noes! But one exotic minority can’t hate another!
‘Blacks and gays can never get along’ is the new ‘blacks and Jews can never get along’, which is terrible because as we all know those enmities are set in stone and permanent.
Also, if Obama allows anything resembling the ‘bad bank’ plan to go through he should be impeached.
Both Muslims and Arabs tended strongly to vote Republican before 2004, but Lord knows small business ownership and the Second Amendment aren’t meant for those people.
Do you know how much hispanic-on-black violence is occouring in public schools now?
Buh..buh..I thought the WhiteMan caused it all!
RedStater keeps standing me up and knocking me down!
Boring troll is boring.
I remember when you libs said I couldn’t get a ten-inch cock in my ass. Who’s laughing now? Suck it, libs! Ow.
Outreach to Latino voters, especially the fairly disproportionate number of evangelical and other protestant Christians who have recently come to America from Mexico and elsewhere in Latin America, was a major plank of Rove’s “permanent majority” plan – and the most plausible and readily available, given the longtime disdain of economic conservatives for stringent border controls and the generally conservative leanings of Latinos compared to other minority groups. This culminated in Bush’s attempt to compromise between this political vision and the nativist fringe, pleasing no one and resulting in the only political failure the right is willing to attribute to their Philosopher King. Loss of Latino support left not just swing-state New Mexico but evangelical stronghold Colorado – and hawkish Cuban outpost Florida – well out of McCain/Palin ’08’s reach.
Go on, buddy. I can play the ending narration of a true-crime film all day.
Alec is willing to exchange higher crime and poverty rates and a permanent demographic change in America in exchange for total power for his political party. How sick!
On the one hand, Latinos are one of America’s fastest-growing groups and, in spite of popular legend, nativize readily and typically emigrate with a strong sense of and disdain for the corruption that normally sets in in strong, existing immigrant systems – and seasonal and generational Mexican immigration was until the 1960s more or less taken for granted as part of the Southwestern economy. On the other hand, you and the other good Christian men verified to the third generation to be Spickenfrei by the Party can call them “latrinos” without fear of repercussion now.
So I guess there’s two sides to this argument. Mind you, there are two sides to whether or not it’s a good idea to drink your own piss, but I am only here to report, not to editorialize.
The arrival of your ancestors certainly would have produced a similar statement. The difference is primarily that the speaker at that time would have been correct.
So you want us to end up like the Native Americans? Yeah, that’s a good idea!
I bet if we were talking about illegal Arab immigration to Israel you would be screaming for a wall, wouldn’t you?
That’s a stupid talking point and you’re stupid for bringing it up. Besides which, I was talking about the Grange, you illiterate failed Swede.
Ah, so you remember enough of a prior ass-beating to haul out “kike”. Good try, but no.
So you’d be for unlimited Muslim Arab immigration to Israel?
You’re really telling me if you were PM of Israel you would favor 100% open borders with Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria?
I have to admit. I really am just a scared little boy who needs a daddy figure to hold me and tell me that I’m safe.
And I don’t like the darkies.
…now believe this fucked up lie!
That comment at 20:19 was not me.
In actuality, I am a viciously self-hating closet case who clings to the conservative mantle in order to avoid dealing with who I really am.
And I don’t like the darkies.
Why don’t you answer my question, Alec?
Neither the comment at 20:19 nor the comment at 20:21 was me.
The fact is, I feel more comfortable regurgitating talking points from right wing radio than I am thinking for myself.
And I don’t like the darkies.
Damn you, Xecky. Your link has enthralled me.
The Lenna one? She is pretty enthralling, I think. Long before I started working with computers, my dad owned a copy of that issue, so I was familiar with the full image by the time I saw that crop showing up in my textbooks.
There’s another famous model from the town where I live now, but this one is not quite as compelling outside graphics geekdom.
The situation is obviously analogous, because we’re dealing with a dictatorial Mexican state which has been at war with us repeatedly over the last sixty years rather than a valued ally and economic partner. Also, because the IDF is totally full of Egyptians.
You’re getting tedious on me, boy. I don’t got all day – got the media & the banks to run & all.
Man, that Red State kid is really confused, idn’t he?
So I was scrolling through this thread, and thought I noticed Troofy bring up…Rev. Wright.
Anyway, Troofy, I know you don’t respond to me anymore, mostly because you can’t, but I thought I should let you know that I got quite the serious chuckle out of that one. Wright. Now. In January 2009. You’re bringing up Wright, like it matters much. Ahh, what fun.
Speak for yourself, homo. It is every truly heterosexual man’s dream to make it with a kettle.
Why do you think I’m anti-semitic? I’m a strong supporter of Israel.
So if Egypt, Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon were democratic and peaceful would you allow 100% unlimited Arab immigration to Israel, offering citizenship to any Muslim Arab that wants it? Would you, Alec?
I prefer Lenna dithering to shadin’ the old teapot.
Why don’t you love me, Daddy?
And on the war part, did you know most Mexicans think California and Texas are still part of Mexico and want them back, Alec?
Heh! Indeed!
Speak for yourself, homo. It is every truly heterosexual man’s dream to make it with a kettle.
Miscegenation!!! kettles are black!
Xecky, you lost me at “in-joke in the computer graphics community.”
Pro Tip:
International relations are never, ever a black-and-white situation.
So when discussing said relations reducing the debate to Yes/No, Agree/Disagree questions is the definition of a bad faith arguement.
And on the war part, did you know I secretly fantasize about being gang-raped by swarthy men and then burn myself with cigarettes to take away the shame, Alec?
I’d like to see a nationalization rumor dropped in the Friday news dump. Talking headplosions all weekend…
It is every truly heterosexual man’s dream to make it with a kettle.
I dunno – some like it hot, but the whistlers never did much for me.
Just like every Jew ever born, right? I take it that’s why you took that tack. It’s a stupid one anyway – both walls are terrible ideas put forward by terrible governments, but you wouldn’t know that on account of you’re some guy for whom all Mexicans are swarthy sombrero-bedecked Pancho Villas and all Jews are David Mamet.
you lost me at “in-joke in the computer graphics community.”
That loses a lot of people. I used to be a graphics programmer, but it lost me, too.
The fact is, I am Jefferson Airplane to Truth’s Jefferson Starship and RedStater’s Starship. Carry on.
On trooooolliiiiiiiinggggg threeeeeaddsss
At least Jefferson Starship had “Miracles.”
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That’s interesting. I suppose you’ll be asking me next whether I knew that Mexicans totally spend all day getting high on marijuana and telling horribly-timed jokes on old albums.
oh yeah baby just like that.
t4toby, 58% of Mexicans polled by Zogby believes the Southwestern states belong to Mexico.
Also, was I aware that while Americans walk into a party like thiiiis and blacks walk into a party like thuuuh? The people deserve answers.
I iz teh best pollster evar!
Did you guys know that 58% of Pittsburgh Pirates fans believe that their team is going to win the NL Central this year? And that 58% of Orioles fans believe the same about their team? And that 58% of Rangers fans ….
Answer to every one of RedFaced’s questions – No.
Ronnie Reagan taught me and Mickey Kaus how to blow goats.
And dark people scare me.
It is imperative that we build a strong wall separating real Americans from football, and that we take a hard line on illegal football, for to be football in America is to demonstrate contempt for our laws and our very civilization.
OH JESUS MISTER TANCREDO I’M SORRY I’LL LAST LONGER NEXT TIME
The fact is, don’t forget “Jane.”
Baby, it’s cold outside!1!
FAUX nooze brings the st00pid.
Did you know that cunnilingus and fellatio saved the world?
It’s true!
Doy, baseball. Ah well, at least this way we get to keep the bulging men in kevlar armor crashing into each other on cue.
Where’s the link to the poll that says that, kid?
Don’t come here spewing false stats.
Linkie, Mr Stinky?
FAUX nooze brings the st00pid.
Some smarmbucket DJ was sniggering about that on the radio this morning.
The “it’s snowing so libruls are teh dum” thing is getting to be like France-hate. Do the pubbies even remember why they hate France anymore?
Flavored lubricants? The cherry is really bland but hte mint crap is gross. Oh look chocolate syrup!
Go here, toby:
http://24ahead.com/blog/archives/004829.html
Remembering things is islamofascist.
The moderation won’t let me post links, Toby.
But google it. It’s real.
That’s a whole new level of stupid. I mean it’s really dumb to say “it’s unusually cold, therefore global warming is a lie.”
But it’s just plain brain-dead to say “it’s cold in fucking January, therefore global warming is a lie.” How do these people manage to dress themselves in the morning?
‘Global warming’ is a good name for the overall hazard of the trend, but especially in the short term climate change means a lot of shit like this – dramatic variations in climate producing extremely unpredictable weather, usually towards the more extreme. Hotter summers, colder winters, drier dry seasons, wetter monsoon seasons. Scary shit. It’s frightening how deeply indebted the right is to specific lobbyists who have learned to wooga-booga at them about the DFHs – I doubt most of them want to see the precious rhythm of their lives interrupted by massive snowstorms and crushing heatwaves, and ‘but if it’s global WARMING why is my neighbor’s DOG SHIT so TANGY’ does nothing to change any of it.
Global warming is just a rouse for liberals to realize their dream of international government and wealth redistrubtion form the west to Third World countries.
How about you find the specific poll on the Zogby website and give us a title or prospectus. That wouldn’t require offending the moderation with links.
‘but if it’s global WARMING why is my neighbor’s DOG SHIT so TANGY’ does nothing to change any of it.
It sure is annoying to listen to, though, isn’t it? And so will the wailing about “Why does God hate me so?!?!?!” when the extreme weather pulverizes their neighborhood.
The moderation won’t let me post links, Toby.
But google it. It’s real.
What a defeatist. We liberals wrestle with wordpress, in a manly fashion. You whiners just give up.
FAIL.
Just copy the URL and let me do the work.
Nice try, though. You brought the stat, you supply the addy.
Americans and Mexicans have widely divergent views of border issues, according to a new poll by Zogby International.
Zogby found that a large majority of the Mexican population believes the southwest territory of the U.S. rightfully belongs to Mexico, and that Mexicans should have the right to enter the U.S. without first obtaining U.S. permission. By contrast, Zogby’s survey of Americans conducted within a few days of the Mexican poll shows a large majority supports reducing immigration levels and wants the military deployed along the border to protect the U.S. from illegal immigration.
Zogby’s poll found that 58 percent of Mexicans agree with the statement, “the territory of the United States’ Southwest rightfully belongs to Mexico.” Only 28 percent disagree, and 14 percent are unsure.
A similar majority, 57 percent, agree with the statement, “Mexicans should have the right to enter the U.S. without U.S. permission,” while 35 percent disagree. Seven percent are unsure.
The survey has a margin of error of 3.5 percent. The Mexico portion of the survey was conducted in Spanish between May 25 and May 26 among 801 adults chosen at random throughout Mexico. The poll was commissioned by Americans for Immigration Control, Inc. (AIC), which advocates increased restrictions on immigration.
“There is obviously a large and significant gap between the attitudes of Americans and Mexicans,” said Robert Goldsborough, AIC president. “While most Americans want immigration reduced, most Mexicans think they don’t even need permission to enter our country. The poll clearly shows there is less common ground for immigration negotiations between Mexico and the U.S. than the leaders think. Support for a porous border and a loose migration policy occurs only on the Mexican side, not in the U.S.”
Zogby’s survey of American attitudes found wide majorities of Americans also oppose amnesty for illegal aliens. The U.S. portion of the survey was conducted of 1,015 likely voters in the U.S. from May 28 to May 30. It found that 65 percent disagree with the statement, “foreigners residing illegally in the U.S. should be given amnesty.” Just 26 percent of likely voters support amnesty for illegals, while 9 percent are unsure.
A large majority, 58 percent, agree that the U.S. should “admit fewer immigrants each year.” Only 6 percent want “more immigrants each year,” and 30 percent want to “keep immigration at the current annual levels.”
The single largest majority in the entire poll was found among Americans supporting use of the military to guard the border. Fully 68 percent of those surveyed agree with the statement, “the U.S. should deploy military troops on the border as a temporary measure to help the U.S. Border Patrol curb illegal immigration.” Only 28 percent disagree, and 3 percent are unsure.
Although I suspect that you don’t have an addy to share.
alec, parody ruppert doesn’t answer except with parody. Note the misspeellings.
According to notable
climatologistpolicy expertfunding watchdogpolitical scientistanti-drug crusaderfirst-string sports commentatorfat man Rush Limbaugh, author of Duh: Why Ah-Bloo-Bloo-Bloo.“#
t4toby said,
January 30, 2009 at 20:48
Although I suspect that you don’t have an addy to share.
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Look above, doofus.
Despite five or so trolljacked threads in the past two days with numerous pleas to just ignore him, and concrete anecdotal evidence that ignoring him made the thread funnier, more engrossing, and allowed more people to participate in the discussion, I just can’t resist the urge to post 75 times an hour in reply to someone who is probably a bored unemployed loser who has no real political feelings at all.
The law of unintended consequences can be a bitch, can’t it?
He’s got a point, you know.
Okay. One poll. Now show me corollary polls, backup evidence, anything besides a summary of one Zogby poll.
I want the link because I want to examine the methodology. Not to a summary. To the actual poll. Otherwise, you have nothing but hearsay.
Only link is a page called “Immigration Control” whose documents are all self-contained and which offers little to no authentication of the data as Zogby polling or indicative of the conclusions they want.
Further, the leading language is deliberately set up to suggest that this is a general feature of ‘Mexicans’, where in all likelhood the polled people (if any such poll ever took place) are urban citizens of Mexico, who are ethnically diverse (including many Jews who no doubt want to wall themselves off from Arabs) and extremely conservative/nationalistic by Latin American standards – and also far less likely to emigrate than the traditional emigrant population, the less political/educated campesinos.
Ow, you’re hurting me!!1
ruse, not rouse
Did you know 63% of Spaniards believe Florida belongs to Spain? And 81% of Dutch think Manhattan belongs to them? And that 100% of alien visitors think the Sphinx and Pyramids belong to them?
Don’t even get me started on the Atlantis people. They think they own the entire place.
Aww! You responded to me! It’s been too long!
Too bad you didn’t respond to an earlier poster noting the huge gains Obama made in the white vote, but whatever. I never asked you to stop being a racist dope. Though that would be nice too.
Toodles, sweetheart. The next 8…12…16? years are going to be a blast with all your whining. Bookmark this, Troofy: Your beloved party is toast, and you have only yourself to blame.
It’s funny because it’s true.
Alright, here we are again openly lying when we’ve been corrected. Bad Twoofy. No assault and battery for you.
I agree that the current one is fairly uninstructive, but I do like that I’ve managed to ferret out one of his ridiculous sources. I don’t like how easy it’s gotten to slap him around, so I’m going to be diplomatic and divert the subject to kettle-fucking.
We are very grateful for the troll. We needed the break.
Hey, aliens – is Orrin Hatch one of you guys?
Bigot troll training for Obama’s election
Owwwie, their little peepees hurt!
Sadly, no.
(in the fetal position in a corner of a dark, dingy room)
They think they’re so smart but they’re not nuh uh they’re not smart I’m smart bookmark this, liberals, Jeb, um, Joe the Plum, um, Ted Nug, um, Bristol Pali, um, they they’re so smart, we’ve still got at least 4 senators, at least 4, that’s enough, bookmark this liberals, affirmative action princess, teflon fraud, bookmark this, liberals, um
Bookmark this, Troofy, your pathetic attempts to change the subject and claim victory for each and every last irrelevant thing have always been noted.
Again, someone with more intestinal fortitude than I – and the willingness to actually listen to Rush and Hannity and Savage and Ziegler and other right-wing gasbags prattle on – really needs to do some serious documenting of how heavily they’re now influencing actual political leadership. Some troll barking like a trained seal at Fatty McPillpill isn’t news, but Boehner doing so is; as of right now Rushie is officially the leader of the Republican Party. While this is a nice development for those of us who watched with glee as their inept attempts to divide-and-conquer wound up producing a fifty-state primary with levels of public involvement unprecedented in America, they’re also hate-filled jagoffs and one imagines even given the secretariat of transportation they’d find a way to kill six million Jews.
ahhhhhh
Oooops! I pooped my pants!
“they’re also hate-filled jagoffs and one imagines even given the secretariat of transportation they’d find a way to kill six million Jews.”
No, Muslims are the ones dreaming of that.
No Republican ever said he wants to “wipe Israel off the map” or “drive Jews into the sea”.
Mexicans totally spend all day getting high on marijuana and telling horribly-timed jokes on old albums.
Dave’s not here, man.
*sipping herbal tea quietly*
I wonder when the trolls will get here…Right, Dav– I mean, Gary?
Say, didn’t Nixon hate the Jews?
…now watch this invasion of Iraq for completely false reasons!
So’s your old man.
“actor212 said,
January 30, 2009 at 21:03
Say, didn’t Nixon hate the Jews”
Henry Kissenger was probably his only friend.
Oh look! Nixon tried to kill Israel!
Your mother wears army boots.
He hated the Jew but loved the Jewer.
I’m not even sure what the fuck that means, but at least I don’t have to square being a Quaker with cluster-bombing Cambodia.
really needs to do some serious documenting of how heavily they’re now influencing actual political leadership.
Media Matters is your friend, Alec.
By the way, we should now start referring to them as the Rushpublican Party.
Rusty, Krump is soooooooooooooooo 2004. It jumped the shark in 2007 when “So You Think You Can Dance” actually featured it as a dance style in the competition.
Ya boize. The new krizzle is skrimping. As in, yo, gotta fly me some skrimp.
Words.
Right, Alec. He called Kissinger his “Jew Boy” in the tapes.
at least I don’t have to square being a Quaker with cluster-bombing Cambodia.
He hated the Quaker, but loved the Quake.
…it is hard to make sense when discussing Nixon.
And here I thought the new dance craze was the “Aunt Jessie”…
Theres a lot of anti-semitism on the anti-war left, though.
Ex. burning Israeli flags and ANSWER rallies, comparing Jews to Nazis, etc.
He hated the Quaker, but loved the Quake.
Great, Now I have this image of Nixon with a gamepad in his hand, playing with his hammer…
And here I thought the new dance craze was the “Aunt Jessie”…
No, it’s the Aunt Jemima. Condescending stereotyping of black people is all the rage with the youngsters these days.
Or so the RNC hopes.
And “neocon” is often a dogwhistle for “jew”.
Sadly, no.
My son signed up to fight for America, not for Israel and the PNAC Agenda!
right. Jews like Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld.
Israel is the puppet master of American foreign policy.
Gee, y’know, thinking of Nixon, didn’t that Catholic neo-con Pat Buchanan espouse that we should leave Israel to defend herself, that it wasn’t in America’s interest to protect a pisher little country?
I’m really thinking more specifically one-issue hammering the non-pundit members of the party who are actively using ideas and language from the Big Fat Idiot himself, along with similar terrible fat white men. MM is more general critique, which – while useful – doesn’t quite deal with how the literally fascist wing of the GOP has transferred its hero-worship to the world’s biggest male upwards failure.
Pat Buchanan has a blind spot with Israel and national defense, no question there.
But he has a lot of fellow travelers in the left wing.
Looks like, yet again, I was right! Neo-con Patrick Buchanan on Israel and the pro-Israel lobby:
Pat Buchanan is a conservative who hates America, as Frum said.
BTW, all those quotes could have been said by an ANWSER protester, Cindy Sheehan, or Cynthia McKinney or any number of left wingers.
Left winger Cynthia McKinney said the “Jew media” ruined her re-election campaign for congress.
Alec, would you believe this: Mort Kondracke agrees with you!
It’s sad to watch conservatives cannibalize each other in this time of national emergency. We really could use some alternative voices giving us input in how to get thru this disaster Bush left behind.
No it isn’t.
No, we don’t.
ANSWER? The wingnuts are now bringing up ANSWER? In 2009? LOL!
Man, I remember when I thought it was a good thing when the comment counter incremented upwards so quickly. Now, I lament the lack of Firefox and Greasemonkey at work…
Joe Lieberman finally realized the left wing is objectively anti-semitic, it is why he supported McCain.
Hating the actions of state of Israel is a completely different thing than being anti-semetic.
But keep defining terms to fit your narrow worldview. It makes the bullshit easier to spot.
The conservative movement has always relied on a small elite of educated, intelligent manipulators without real convictions but capable of manipulating the secondary actors who whip tertiary actors into mobbing frenzies. The problem is that the surge of artificial capital flowing into those secondary actors has turned them into a ceiling at a level which was once beneath the floor. Limbaugh would have been laughed out on his ass in the GOP convention in ’76; nowadays he’s evidently the smartest guy in the room, and he and all the other secondaries are strutting around acting like they own the place. The primaries have jumped ship and are dying out anyway – business these days is backing economically conservative Democrats, with the exception of well-groomed partisan idiots who tend to fail catastrophically in the marketplace – and you wind up seeing stuff like Palin treating mangled bits of stuff Reagan’s speechwriter meant to strike a chord with soap-opera-watching maroons as high intellectual achivement.
The right has basically been done in by the over-eagerness of the barking heads to pander to and patronize themselves and their narrow perceived audience. It’s partially an issue of their being angry, shrill urban-but-identifying-with-rural racists – not exactly a huge constituency – but it’s also an issue of leadership, as in there ain’t none. Nobody exists who can tell Prager to go fuck himself with authority, let alone Rushie-poo.
Alright, I’m all out of Troll food.
I guess I gotta go pay the bills.
Nice try, RS. Maybe you should join the Red State Trike Force. You’ve got the kinda stuff they need.
Wow! I was shocked to find out that there are 10 Democratic Jewish Senators, and one Republican Jewish Senator.
As for the House, Democratic Jews outnumber Republicans 25-1!
Mr. Kinte, you’re speaking to a guy who brought Israel up because he felt as a kike I would be goaded by the scandalous skintone of the President’s supporters. It’s not that he doesn’t have a handle on what ‘anti-semitism’ is, it’s that he’s nestled deep inside of it and there aren’t any doors.
Stupid assertion. Baseless pronouncement. Gratuitous Insult!
Alec, I’d go you one better: I think the barking heads have cynically sold that anger that so many on the right feel, including the morons who are stupid enough to come here to get smacked down.
I like how this and various related things surprise RS75, the people like him, and the media complex set up to pander to him once every two years. Breaking news – persecuted minority swings left! Yeah, no shit.
My favorite is still the dull horror of realizing that more Jews voted for Obama than Kerry resulting in massive orgies of blind hatred screamed at Israel by the freepers. Projection isn’t just a river in your mother.
“fuck the jews, they don’t vote for us anyway”
James Baker
What did Israel do wrong that Jews in America hated so much, Alec? Was it Sharon’s walk to the Temple Mount right after he was warned not to? Was it the bombings in Lebanon?
I support the right of Israel to exist and further, I think America has an obligation to defend her.
I do not think that obligation extends to the current situation, however.
While we’re on the subject of anti-Semites, o< THEY ALL WENT HOME ON 9/11 YOU KNOW
Alec, I’d go you one better: I think the barking heads have cynically sold that anger that so many on the right feel, including the morons like Troffie who are stupid enough to come here to get smacked down.
Corrected. I must have had one too many glasses of wine at lunch.
No Republican ever said he wants to “wipe Israel off the map” or “drive Jews into the sea”.
Stuck at your dead end job again are we, and desperate to let off some impotent rage by trolling SN! yet again? But I thought I’d just quickly highlight this particular quote for it’s incredibly brain dead lack of awareness… No Truthie, they never said they wanted to drive the Jews into the sea; but a good number of them just believe and pray for and can’t wait to see Israel be destroyed during the End Times, and all those Jews who don’t convert to Christianity are to be sent screaming and wailing and gnashing thier Hebrew teeth into the ever-lasting lake of fire.
I’d suggest that the main reason Jews in America are increasingly ambivalent towards Israel is that the US right and Likud / the dominant faction in Kadima have been in a robust and exclusive circle-jerk for quite some time, to the point that a man who is supposed electorally to be a moderate winds up launching a military campaign to win an election. The ‘right to exist’ stuff is rhetorical jiu-jitsu and I find it really difficult to imagine that, in the post-Sadat world, the rhetoric of existential crisis is taken that seriously by anyone.
Between that and the US policy establishment explicitly treating the grievances of settlers – who are a delightful mixture of hard-rightists and sectarian extremists who no one, even on the right, likes at all there – as legitimate and tragic, it’s kind of difficult for anyone following anything but the official IDF/Pentagon party line – anyone with any even vaguely objective eye on the situation in Israel – to come out of it with anything in mind except “Wow, what a bunch of bullshit this is.”
Can I haz actor212’s jahb, pleez?
Once Iran has nukes trained to launch on Tel-Aviv due to Obama’s appeasement I wonder if you will feel the same way, Alec.
Keep on diggin’, man.
T4Toby,
Trust me, there’s a reason I drink at lunch 😀
Befouled Waters said,
January 30, 2009 at 21:41
Too, none of them read Revelations carefully, where it says that only 144,000 people would be taken to Heaven.
And those 144,000 would be 12,000 each from each of the Twelve Tribes.
Of Jews.
No Christians allowed!
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‘Appeasement’ as rhetoric:
1998: McCain, neocon bootlickers refer to Clinton’s heavy-oil-for-nuclear-divestment agreement with North Korea as “appeasement”, suggesting an analogy exists between the actual (if, in this case, strategic) concessions made in the agreement with those made at Munich.
2001: On his inauguration, one of Bush’s first actions is to suspend the fuel deal which made further development of North Korea’s nuclear resources unprofitable.
2002: With the steady increase of use of “appeasement” in a context surreally divorced from its original (largely to refer to French – and, uh, German – unwillingness to go to war), the word begins to generically connote ‘opposition to warmongering.’
2004: With war already underway and no top-level disagreement over anything but its conduct, ‘appeasement’ is now used as a general term of abuse by neoconservatives, no longer implying any kind of systematic desire to avoid war or surrender of actual resources.
2006: North Korea announces the development of nuclear weapons.
2007: Any policy besides strategic bombardment at will towards Iran is now referred to as ‘appeasement’.
2008: Iran inexplicably begins developing its nuclear capabilities.
Gee, I don’t know. If I were Israel I think I’d be praying for “appeasement” right now.
I have to say, I’m not normally a fan of the Malfunctioning Bot but the parameters are delightful today.
Appeasement…is that how like Bush capitulated to Muammar Qaddafi?
OT, but I get Red State Trike Force email. Here is the latest, with Erick trying to sound Biblical (or something). It is hilarious and loaded with typical repig insanity and hatred for America. Enjoy it in all its grammatically-challenged FAIL.
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I got an email yesterday. The correspondent wrote:
“I truly appreciate and support your efforts; however I have to admit my total frustration in having failed to stop the Treasury nomination, it is an offensive move. I called everyone but end up talking with one of the volunteers at the Senator’s offices and I truly wonder about this strategy effectiveness. Maybe we need to pursue a different approach. Please advise.”
We are not meant in the course of our activism to be always successful. We will have moments of success and they will be large and they will be small. But sometimes we will not be successful.
The persistent widow in Luke 18 had to keep going to the judge who “neither feared God nor cared about men.” She “kept coming to him with the plea, ‘Grant me justice against my adversary.'” She persisted and the judge finally said, “Even though I don’t fear God or care about men, yet because this widow keeps bothering me, I will see that she gets justice, so that she won’t eventually wear me out with her coming!”
It is the same with an activist. We must persevere.
Yesterday the Politico ran a story on Jim DeMint filled with invective from anonymous Republican staffers in the Senate. They hate Jim DeMint because he perseveres. He is not always successful, but sometimes he is. And if he perseveres, at some point, he will prevail.
DeMint, in the article, said something very wise about the present Republican leadership. He said “that lawmakers in both parties ‘only respond to pain.'”
Again, we don’t expect to be successful all the time. We will have set backs. That is the nature of the game. We must also accept that some people have good reasons for doing what they do, though we disagree with them. But we must also expect and demand that we are respected as the base of the party. We must fight and our fight must frequently induce pain on our own side. It is frequently the only way to make headway.
Persevere and fight on.
One way to do so is to get your friends to join us in the RedState Army. We will be sometimes defeated. We will be sometimes victorious. But most importantly, we won’t be idly complaining and yelling into the wind – we’ll be working to make a difference. It is no good to complain and not act. It is very good to act without complaint and fight the good fight until the setting of the sun.
Persevere. And relish victories like we had last night – the House Republicans heard us and stood united against Barack Obama’s socialist stimulus plan.
Sincerely yours,
Erick Erickson”
She persisted and the judge finally said, “Even though I don’t fear God or care about men, yet because this widow keeps bothering me, I will see that she gets justice, so that she won’t eventually wear me out with her coming!”
So the sum of Red State Trike Force’s moral and intellectual argument is, “If we annoy them enough, they’ll give in”?
Isn’t that the mantra of all sales people?
Global warming is just a rouse for liberals to realize their dream of international government and wealth redistrubtion form the west to Third World countries.
Racism is just a ruse for conservative imperialists to realize their dreams of one-world fascism & wealth redistribution from the Third World to imperialistic western nations.
There! Spelling & factual errors corrected.
Neoconservatives seem to think history began in 1938.
A little appeasement might have gone a long way in 1914.
Just the ones who know they’re trying to sell shit.
Twisted logic. Cherry-picked facts. Insult!
You’re probably right, actor. I rarely feel the need for a drink at work.
I’ll keep my job.
Put it this way, Toby. I’m thinking of becoming a teacher…I figure the stress of handling other people’s brats has to be less than what I’m under.
Who needs to get drunk at work when you’ve got mountains of sweet, precious Vicodin?
Seriously, I’m a few shitty SNL skits from running for Senate in Minnesota here.
I pay random strangers in public restrooms a quarter not to flush and then I go lap up their turds.
Nah. You need to take too many of those for the buzz you get off a bottle of wine.
I prefer Oxy, but Rush ruined that for me.
This gold coin will keep me warm.
Proposition: I must have had one too many glasses of wine at lunch.
Proof: I support the right of Israel to exist and further, I think America has an obligation to defend her.
Weaselly Exception: I do not think that obligation extends to the current situation, however.
Um, if by “we” you mean the United Snakes, we’re either obliged by a treaty, or not, to “defend” Israel. But does that mean we have to use our nukes (letting Israel keep theirs for later use) the next time a small, unguided missile blows up in a farmer’s field?
And actor, you might start by not personifying Israel as “her.” It’s not a humanoid, it’s imaginary lines drawn on a piece of paper, like every other “nation-state” on this benighted planet.
I doubt most of them want to see the precious rhythm of their lives interrupted by massive snowstorms and crushing heatwaves, and ‘but if it’s global WARMING why is my neighbor’s DOG SHIT so TANGY’ does nothing to change any of it.
A day will come when the wingnut skull will not reflexively echo with the sound of Al Gore’s sighs when the subject of global climate change is raised. That day will come when the waters are approaching his doorstep. Even then he won’t be wondering how he’s going to cope on his and his family’s behalf. No, his first reaction will be to peek out the blinds at his lieberal neighbor’s house, the one with the Obama (Sasha) in ’48 yard sign, snickering in delight at the thought that said America hater’s organic backyard garden is doomed. “Heh, stupid Democrap, let’s see you get on your electric bike and go out for a latte now, elitist hippie.” This state of mind will endure until the day he’s peeking out those blinds and notices that his feet are getting wet. What thought occurs to him next I can not predict but it will probably involve hoping his neighbor’s oh so precious home made shoes aren’t water proof.
One conventionally uses ‘she’ to describe gangs and middle-Eastern countries.
I’m thinking of becoming a teacher…I figure the stress of handling other people’s brats has to be less than what I’m under.
Ten years ago I decided to take an 80% pay cut rather than deal with stress. Hang in there, save up a nest egg, and GTFO. That shit will kill you.
Of course, my nest egg has fallen apart (more from a couple dumb financial decisions I made than from market troubles), but I’m doing OK these days.
Actor212,
It isn’t the kids that are the problem, it’s the adults (parents, admin) that makes the job suck. I taught gangbangers high school science for 3 years and it was a blast (literally and figuratively, chemistry was FUN!) What drove me out was fucked up administrators who think teachers don’t ever eat, sleep, or have outside interests.
Professionals usually have all sorts of support personnel. Teachers are expected to do it all by themselves. No wonder that half of new teachers are not teaching after 5 years.
Once Iran has nukes trained to launch on Tel-Aviv due to Obama’s appeasement I wonder if you will feel the same way, Alec.
Israel has nukes targeted on Teheran due to the appeasement of every United Snakes President since Nixon or Carter. But that’s perfectly OK.
The only ‘she’ in my life is my cheeto-stained right hand.
> What thought occurs to him next I can not predict
Come on. You KNOW what their next “thought” will be.
“This is the fault of evil libruls!”
As OxyRush knows, “repetition brings obedience”
high fives XXX Gilchrist
Bouff,
As Tonto said to the Lone Ranger as the Cherokee nation was poised to ride down on them, “What do you mean ‘we’, kemosabe?”
As for the her part, Israel is tempermental, moody and subject to periodic outbursts, as Obama observed about Hillary. That alone classifies Israel as a ‘she’ 😉
That day will come when the waters are approaching his doorstep.
I look forward to the ads in the Kennebunkport paper for volunteers to pile sandbags around the Bush compound.
Cherokee nation
Cher rocks!
Willy, as a parent, I can certainly sympathize. I went to every P-T conference day and watched in horror as parents would try to blame teachers for the fact that Johnny was sent to detention.
My daughter was suspended for three days in fourth grade for a fart bomb in class. I stayed home from work, got the lesson plan, and taught her myself.
Now I realize I have the fortunate position of having time and a flexible employer to do that, but I imagine there are some parents, many parents, whom that wouldn’t even occur to.
I love it when the label says “do not drive or operate heavy machinery. Alcohol may intensify…” I say to myself, self, I say, we gonna enjoy our martinis tonite!
Also, not even Rush can ruin oxycontin. Not for me, nohow.
Girls don’t fart.
Air-wreck the RedAssed:
There’s a word for that kind of “victory.”
The House Republicans all voted to cut off their noses for facial spite, the bill went through, but the “victory,” apparently, was that all the members of the losing party voted in lockstep. (Where’ve I heard that before?)
W/ triumphs like that, it’ll only be a matter of decades before the Red States are ruling us under their iron hand again.
BTW, when did the “Trike Farce” become the “RedState Army?” Recordings of the RedState Army Choir, available for a limited time only to our valued shock troops? “We’re giving them away!”
“RedState Army” sounds pretty socialist to me. Do you think they get it?
Oooooh, Ooooh!!! did u c that? Actor feller calledd wimins all bitchy & shit/
Sexist sexdist!
Mmmm, relish…
I defeets all libruls with my keybord and my AM radio.
Wolvereenz!!!111!
“RedState Army” sounds pretty socialist to me. Do you think they get it?
Not for free.
Nancy Pelosi’s neo-eugenics
Nancy Pelosi, Speaker of the US House of Representatives, is no economist, judging by her comments made to ABC’s George Stephanopoulus, in asserting population growth in the US would be a drag on economic growth. Population growth usually is an economic stimulant, especially in developed countries.
It always is a stimulant in developed democracies with private property rights and free markets. Otherwise we wouldn’t have a consumer society. A vibrant economy depends on an abundant consumer class delivering healthy revenue streams to a diverse assortment of producers and, as we’re learning all too painfully, a trustworthy credit system.
We already have evidence where low birth rates correlate with lagging GDP’s such as in most European economies, placing extraordinary pressure on a dwindling supply of Gen X.Y and Zs to pay for expansive post retirement entitlements of their aging parents and grandparents. Moreover, European countries with low indigenous birth rates, resulting in shrinking labor pools, have resorted to immigration, which provides guest workers who also contribute to consumer demand. But immigration patterns have led to all sorts of assimilation difficulties, most notably among Muslims.
Disingenuousness on economics and population growth has been a steady Democrat Party diet for years. The Dems long have been the most athletic champions of uncontrolled immigration, arguing the merits of not just diversity, inclusivity and sanctuary from socio-economic oppression, but also robust labor pool more taxpayers and additional consumers (not to mention the means to deliver new Democrat party voters).
So why would Speaker Pelosi now claim a high birth rate creates the opposite effect?
The answer is actually not surprising, just appalling. The Dems, political tribalists posturing as independent intellectuals, captive of the abortion-on-demand and enviro-nihilist herd, have a pathological obsession with shoveling more government spending, i.e. taxpayer subsidies, into population control despite its apparent contradictions and moral failings. Speaker Pelosi’s position, perhaps unwitting but undeniable, in its ugliest implication is directly linked to Margaret Sanger’s eugenics movement of the 1920s. Sanger’s “Planned Parenthood”was just a horrifying euphemism designed among other goals to selectively prune certain populations by design along racial, gender, age, intelligence, physiological and socio-economic lines.
This has been part of the Progressive socio-political doctrine since the 1920s, well documented by Jonah Goldberg in Liberal Fascism.
Yet there is a certain economic logic to the Speaker’s theorem, if one takes account of the division of American society into tax payers and tax takers. The latter class consists of the growing population receiving government handouts in one form or another, a growing portion of them exempt from any federal income tax liability. She is tacitly acknowledging the fact that the welfare state is unaffordable — especially when the middle class needs propping up.
Nancy Pelosi is offering us neo-eugenics, her final solution to the welfare state burden. Calling up the dark ideology of Margaret Sanger, Pelosi suggests we eliminate the people who might populate that permanent underclass.
The Speaker of the House is no moral theologian, having mangled Roman Catholic doctrine over abortion inviting a stinging rebuke from her own prelate, Archbishop Niederauer of San Francisco. Does Speaker Pelosi need another dose of knuckle rapping instruction in moral theology from the Roman Catholic Bishops? Sure, but don’t expect it to do much good.
Mommy! Mommy! Look at the big cut’n’pastez I made!
Scroll troll! Definitely a desperation move.
“RedState Army” is totally socialist. This has been a helluva year or two – I thought the height of irony was Rush Limbaugh ordering his flying monkeys to vote for Hillary Clinton in the primaries, but the Soviet stuff the wingnuts are hauling out lately is pretty good.
Actor 212:
3 days for a fart? Man, that’s one stupid motherfucking administrator.
I used to be a school board member and the Supt wanted to expel a 2nd grader for bringing a toy gun to school. A year for bringing a toy. It was in his backpack, he never brought it out nor brandished to anyone.
The rest of my board wanted to toss the kid but I pulled a Kruschev(sp?) beating a shoe on the table and screaming “Are you fucking nuts?” I wouldn’t recommend it as a concensus-building method, but it did fine that day.
So we all need to have babies for the good of the fatherland? I seem to remember hearing that somewhere before.
Hmmmmmmm………
Wait, it’ll come to me…….
It was from a long time ago and it was in German…….
Cutting and pasting whole articles from the American “Thinker” is pretty pathetic.
It was from a long time ago and it was in German…….
Can’t think of the guy’s name, but I think he was a fan of eugenics too…
God bless Nancy Pelosi! The vicoden goes especially well with a Zygotini. Ooooh, yeah.
3 days for a fart?
Fart bomb, actually. It’s a dime store novelty: mylar envelope. Inside it is vinegar or some such substance, and a thin plastic packet of a powder. You slap the entire envelope, the packet breaks and the mixture releases methane, which then inflates the envelope, eventually “exploding” it.
It smells horrible, but I’ve crapped worse.
What drove me out was fucked up administrators who think teachers don’t ever eat, sleep, or have outside interests.
Same thing happened to my wife. I think the rise of the “professional administrator”–that is, someone with a degree and absolutely no teaching experience–is one of the worst things to happen to education. It’s hard to understand the challenges and limitations of teaching unless you’ve actually *done* it. You’re almost certainly not going to understand it if your entire knowledge of teaching comes from some stupid educational-philosophy book (written, naturally, by someone else with no significant teaching experience) that you skimmed and regurgitated on your way to “earning” the sort of bullshit advanced degree that can be obtained by anyone who has a higher level of cognitive functioning than Terri Schiavo.
I won’t even start on the snotty private-school parents.
Sorry. I’m vicariously bitter. My wife just wants to forget the whole experience.
I think the rise of the “professional administrator”–that is, someone with a degree and absolutely no teaching experience–is one of the worst things to happen to education.
Not a teacher myself, but I know teachers who totally agree. When did that happen? Must have been a long time ago, because I’ve never known school to be otherwise.
Newsflush:
Token Afrikan-American elected Nat’l. GOP Chair.
STEELE baby, STEELE!
Oh lord, anytime you want to sniff out a Republican, say the name Margaret Sanger and watch them go haywire.
What they conveniently forget to tell you is, Sanger was a Republican who received funding from John D. Rockefeller.
Token Afrikan-American elected Nat’l. GOP Chair.
Keyes? Oh please oh please oh please…
At least it wasn’t Blackwell.
Tri-Com:
I’m pretty bitter too, enough to make quinine taste like nectar in comparison.
Also, your description of Admin is spot-on. Waste of space/money, most of ’em. I’ve met good ones, but they’re all retired now.
Actor212:
That’s another story! She coulda blew the place up. First it’s fart bombs and the next thing is 50 lbs. of nitrate fertilizer, some diesel, and a firecracker.
One of my students was sent to my (alternative)school when he crapped in a brown paper bag and put it in a school microwave and set it to cook for 30 min. Another we called “The Mad Crapper”. His trick was to crap in unusual places like other kids backpacks, the back of the classroom, in the gym.
Not Keyes, Steele. The guy who claims people throw cookies at him.
Token Afrikan-American elected Nat’l. GOP Chair.
Man, the Red Staters must be going nuts!
Not only do they have to salute a negro president, now they have to send a check to one!
Damn, talk about welfare! This ain’t even tax deductible!
Mr. Steele’s closing words: “God bless you, God bless our party.”
Why does this racist black person not love our country? He’s so obviously placing party before country.
Another we called “The Mad Crapper”. His trick was to crap in unusual places like other kids backpacks, the back of the classroom, in the gym.
When I was in junior high school one of my classmates (presumably – might have been an employee) earned the same nickname the same way.
Actually, I think we called the perpetrator “The Phantom Crapper”.
Their best hit was leaving a big steaming turd right in the middle of the wrestling mat in the little gym while the big gym next door was in use. That took some guts, and not just for the digestive processes involved.
Damn Black Muslim. Watch him change his name to Michael Baraka.
I have a ton of worthless crap in my closet that needs to GO! GO! GO!
eBay. I just sold a broken camera for $100.
Dude, I think you’re onto something here. Does eBay even have a Banks category?
> a school microwave
?????
That would’ve been loaded up with M-80s and set on high about 3 seconds after it was discovered in the HS I went to. The only things allowed to students were blunt-edged scissors. The only reason the school didn’t get blown up was that the destructive students didn’t know where the ChemLab chemicals were stored.
Notto be pedantic, actor, but methane is odorless. Also colorless but that aint germane. This shows that ReedySpate has totally pwned you and run rings round you logically. At least, that’s what it will claim.Steele baby, STEELE!
He has great ideas on how to make the GOP competitive again!
After some of the stunts I pulled in High School and college it’s amazing that I made it to adulthood uninjured and without a criminal record.
well documented
and
by Jonah Goldberg
Don’t go together
Not only do they have to salute a negro president, now they have to send a check to one!
Srsly, this is the kind of thing I think might cause some of the loonier reichtards to split off the GOP and join some piddle-diddle armed fuckhead party. I mean, you expect the Dhimmicrats to run a black African Arab Muslim-Christian-Atheist Affirmative Action Criminal Mastermind for office, but Republicans doing it? Clearly the starting gun for the race war has been fired.
but methane is odorless
It was some gas or other, I figured methane cause of cow farts. I’m no chemist and I don’t have the package anymore to check.
> Nancy Pelosi is offering us neo-eugenics, her final solution to the welfare state burden.
I could get behind this if it was eugenics for repigs. That would be a solution to the wingnut welfare burden. Think of all the bandwidth, not to mention paper, wasted on Doughy, K-Lo, Juggs, etc.
I can’t tell you how excited I am that it’s now okay to suck a big black cock. Bless you Steele and GOP! Bless you!
Does eBay even have a Banks category?
I dunno, but Iceland was listed back in October.
Cock! mmmmm cock!
Think of all the bandwidth, not to mention paper, wasted on Doughy, K-Lo, Juggs, etc.
But then, Sadly,No! would be reduced to mocking….what?
What would a world without Repigs look like….I wonder….
Have the Dems legalized retroactive abortion yet? I’m especially looking forward to that.
When will the right wingers start making jokes about fried chicken and watermelon at the RNC?
> He has great ideas on how to make the GOP competitive again!
repigs have discovered Affirmative Action….
HA!
Actually, Steele took it just because nobody else would. Something like five of the more traditional repigs (latin name: Pastyis Fascistis) dropped out of the running. Looks like he is a Sacrificial Lamb – or Sacrificial Token.
Double HA!
Reminds me of the Onion headline after the election:
“Black Man Gets Worst Job in the World”
Blackwell’s endorsement of Steele was totally about race!
Steele is the affirmative action candidate!!
> I can’t tell you how excited I am that it’s now okay to suck a big black cock. Bless you Steele and GOP! Bless you!
But the more cogent question is:
What is Steele’s position on airport bathroom stalls?
(Implied cymbal crash for the pun follows)
I don’t care what they say
I won’t stay in a world without Repigs
Please lock me away
And don’t allow the day
Here inside, where I hide with my loneliness
I don’t care what they say, I won’t stay
In a world without Repigs
Birds sing out of tune
And rain clouds hide the moon
I’m OK, here I stay with my loneliness
I don’t care what they say, I won’t stay
In a world without Repigs
I bet JayZ will be piped through the RNC headquarters at all hours now!
I’m waiting for the Mike the Magic Negro CD.
Now that Michael Steele is head of the RNC I guess racism is over, and possibly never happened at all.
> I bet JayZ will be piped through the RNC headquarters at all hours now!
I vote for NWA and “Fuck The Police”, since that’s already their attitude with cop-killer bullets.
Michael Steele is black?
Damn, I always thought he was a cracker with a boss tan!
> Now that Michael Steele is head of the RNC I guess racism is over, and possibly never happened at all.
I am 80% sure that will be OxyRush’s theme on his next show.
Seriously. Very.
So, is the RNC really going to be run by Steele, or is he a sockpuppet for the pasty corporate masters the way Sarah Palin would be?
Really, a black guy or a woman actually running things for Republicans? Please.
Not methane, sulfur.
It releases sulfur, which smells like rotten eggs.
> Really, a black guy or a woman actually running things for Republicans? Please.
Reminds me of a mid-70s political cartoon that, for some reason, I remember. It showed a small puppet figure of Ford held on the hand of Nixon – but Nixon was just a puppet figure on the hand of a much larger arm whose owner was not shown on the cartoon.
Could be. I never was privvy to the actual smell. The principal told me about it.
Turns out, my idiot savant of a child tossed it right behind the principal. Mind you, this was a few years before 9/11, or she’d be serving time in the juvie hall at Gitmo, I’m sure.
I can’t wait for the media to breathlessly compare Steele to Obama, and to declare that the GOP’s race problems are all over.
great ideas on how to make the GOP competitive again!
Could you share one w/ us? I don’t think that attempting to enter the 21st century by having drooling idiots Twitter madly is going to be much help.
The freepers are falling all over themselves to say what a great choice Steele is. Of course, they delete anything that doesn’t follow the prevailing line so the folllowing may not be indicative of how they really feel.
Aaah, a “real” African American. I guess you have to have had slave ancestors to qualify.
“Reagan-Palin Republican”?
*shudder*
Of course, they delete anything that doesn’t follow the prevailing line so the folllowing may not be indicative of how they really feel.
You mean, comments like “Are you all insane? Can’t you see that the man is black??!!!!1”
There must be a few of those, or else some fraction of the readership that’s just silently stormin’ off to Stormfront.
Senile ditz & self-made ditz.
Maybe they’ll just split off to the Alzheimer’s Party.
> “Reagan-Palin Republican”?
The poster meant to say “Hitler – Googleplex Hitler Republican”, but the Godwin Filter at repig blogs only allows Hitler comparisons to Democrats.
they’d make a lovely couple.
> readership that’s just silently stormin’ off to Stormfront.
I smell an opportunity for Troofie to start his very own splinter Trike Force.
GO FOR IT, LOSER!
The Michael Eden Freep article on Steele begins with “some of my best friends are black” and continues to “liberals are the real racists.” Paraphrasing, but not much.
Yes, but is he clean and articulate?
The election of Michael Steele to be chairman of the Republican National Committee is yet another sign that racism has been defeated in America.
But don’t expect the poverty pimps to get rid of Affirmative Action or quotas. They need to keep fooling African-Americans into voting against themselves.
The Democrat Party is the party of segregation, racism, and the KKK. The Republican Party is the party of Lincoln, Martin Luther King, and Michael Steele.
When you consider the backgrounds of Michael Steele and Barack Obama. You see that Michael Steele rose from the lowest level and overcame the odds every time. Barack Obama had everything handed to him and a wealthy upbringing.
Wolf Blitzer: “I don’t see a lot of black people in that room,” referring to the RNC conference.
They probably want to have Steele to blame for their upcoming gubernatorial losses this yr., & next yr.’s debacle.
Doesn’t Sweet Sarah Purebred run in ’10? Can’t figure if it would be better for her to run for Pres. as a defeated Alaska goob, or as a reëlected goob.
But hey, either way, she’s a goob!!
> The Michael Eden Freep article on Steele begins with “some of my best friends are black” and continues to “liberals are the real racists.”
ALL the repig blog posts on Steele will be the same as that.
They need to keep fooling African-Americans into voting against themselves.
The Democrat Party is the party of segregation, racism, and the KKK. The Republican Party is the party of Lincoln, Martin Luther King, and Michael Steele.
So, Gar, your contention is that black people are just too fucking stupid to know what’s best for them?
Oh, and thanks for confirming my 23:27 post. What took you so long?
They need to keep fooling African-Americans into voting against themselves.
Worked great for us last time. We really fooled ’em!!
Oh, and thanks for confirming my 23:27 post. What took you so long?
He had to wait for the drunk monkey to finish his beer so he could copy and paste.
> Sweet Sarah Purebred
Wasn’t she know as “Pass Around Palin” to the football teams at the many colleges she fornicated – oops, matriculated – at?
Hillary runs for president and the Repubs deposit Sarah Palin on their ticket.
Obama gets elected president and the Repubs anoint Michael Steele RNC chairman.
I’m beginning to see a pattern here…
Wasn’t she know as “Pass Around Palin” to the football teams at the many colleges she fornicated – oops, matriculated – at?
Hey hey hey! That’s disgusting and horrible. Despicable*, even. You should say “…colleges at which she…”
Despicable – n., Characteristic of Lou Dobbs’ policies.
Instead of Steele, they should’ve drafted the illegitimate daughter (or was it a son?) of Thurmond and the black maid he impregnated.
If they had done that, I would have to admit that repigs finally understood Irony.
Does eBay even have a Banks category?
I dunno, but Iceland was listed back in October.
Really? What was the winning bid?
I’m beginning to see a pattern here…
Hey, Repubs – our next move is going to involve placing somebody openly gay in a very high office indeed. You’d better hurry up and do it first, or you’ll just keep having to eat our dust!
Duros, I think it was withdrawn for lack of interest with the bidding standing at a buck three eighty after two weeks.
our next move is going to involve placing somebody openly gay in a very high office indeed.
And he’s a space alien!
No, black people have been lied to and manipulated by Democrat politicians, sleazy preachers, and poverty pimps.
After 40+ years of block-voting for Democrats, African-Americans are worse off. Perhaps they need to change the people they’re electing and pick people who understand economics and policy.
No, black people have been lied to and manipulated by Democrat politicians, sleazy preachers, and poverty pimps.
So you’re not saying they’re stupid; you’re saying they’re gullible.
Keep it up, Gar. You’re doing a great job for your cause.
Oh really, Gar?
Cuz in the 1990s…you know, under Clinton? Black income, particularly people making more than $50K a year, was the fastest growing income group in America!
Worse, of course, black income overall DECLINED in real terms from 1974 to 1993.
Dominated, of course, by Republican presidencies…
After 40+ years of block-voting for Democrats, African-Americans are worse off.
That’s why they’re always longing for the good ol’ days of 1968.
So Gary’s not only calling blacks ignorant, but he’s lying about why he thinks they are!
He is a Catholic, he gets it, from a border type state.
Wait, what?
Isn’t he from Maryland? How un-border type state can you get?
After 40+ years of block-voting for Democrats, African-Americans are worse off.
OK….
Black people voted for Democrats. Republicans won most of the time. The black people are worse off. Therefore, Democrats are bad for black people.
Got it.
our next move is going to involve placing somebody openly gay in a very high office indeed.
And he’s a space alien
Warren Christopher?
Isn’t he from Maryland? How un-border type state can you get?
It was a freeper; when they think of the border they mean this one.
Oh. Cuz I thought maybe they meant the Atlantic Ocean…
Here is a better link.
Hillary runs for president and the Repubs deposit Sarah Palin on their ticket.
Obama gets elected president and the Repubs anoint Michael Steele RNC chairman.
I’m beginning to see a pattern here…
Would that Steele will prove just as good a counterpart as Palin.
After 40+ years of block-voting for Democrats, African-Americans are worse off.
So they were better off back when they had to ride in the back of the bus and drink out of separate drinking fountains?
As of 0:23 01/31/09 (Sadly Standard Time):
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alec: 37
actor212: 52
Stay tuned for more of “When Blowhards and Trolls Ruin Threads,” coming up in the next otherwise-promising episode of Sadly, No!
You counted? You fucking COUNTED!?!
Oh the ironies! The ironies!
Separate but equal drinking fountains.
Where is my motherfucking iced tea, anyway?
It seems as though I ordered it ages ago.
> So they were better off back when they had to ride in the back of the bus and drink out of separate drinking fountains?
Out of 10,000,000 repig, nutjob, windbag, wingnut, and America-haters mouths comes a resounding “YES!”
> Would that Steele will prove just as good a counterpart as Palin.
Do you mean like having illegitimate children, or being a grandparent at the age of 44, or taking five colleges and 6 years to get a super-easy degree, or whining a lot, or not reading newspapers, or what?
No, I mean having a domesticated animal slaughtered on camera behind him while he’s running his yap. That would be awesome
Shorter Everyone In This Damn Forum These Days:
I don’ wanna work,
I jus’ wanna rape right-wing trolls all day,
I don’ wanna play,
I jus’ wanna rape right-wing trolls all day…
> No, I mean having a domesticated animal slaughtered on camera behind him while he’s running his yap.
Oh, OK. As long as it’s not being married to a treasonous secessionist.
One further thought on the Steele/Palin comparisons. Since he’s from Maryland, he has foreign relations experience covered since he can “see” Europe and Africa from his house.
As long as he isn’t a snooty elitist, I think he’s a dandy pick!
You counted? You fucking COUNTED!?!
It’s my job. Someone’s gotta do it. And pick up those ironies. Whatta you think this is, your mamma’s basement?
I can’t believe I just heard Meg-dumbster McArdle on Marketplace/NPR radio.
Is anyone surprised that the He Without Self-Awareness himself leads this dubious category?
Not me.
Anyone counting comments around here is either
A. New
B. A troll
C. Purposefully being glib
D. All of the above.
And thirdly, why didn’t you count my comments? And about six of Redstates were mine. How do you factor that in?
If you want anally germane threads, I think FireDogLake is thataway…
He hated the Quaker, but loved the Quake.
Shecky, you’re a mad genius!
Poor RNC, they thought they’d nominated Remington Steele. I am looking forward to Billo totally bunging up an interview with him.
Is this a schism I see amongst the Sadlynaughts? Is it possible that we are so in tune with the nutjobs we watch that we are being vicariously ripped asunder by the RNC’s pick of an African American to lead them?
Since he’s from Maryland, he has foreign relations experience covered since he can “see”
Europe and Africathe Confederacy from his house.You’re welcome.
t4toby said,
January 31, 2009 at 1:45
Is this a schism I see amongst the Sadlynaughts? Is it possible that we are so in tune with the nutjobs we watch that we are being vicariously ripped asunder by the RNC’s pick of an African American to lead them?
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He’s not going to lead them anywhere but further into irrelevance.
t4toby: You left out (E) fed up with thread hogs. they’re running all the really funny comments off when their boring bullshit.
What, you want to be counted as a gasbag by the scorekeeper too? That’s kinda sad.
> I can’t believe I just heard Meg-dumbster McArdle on Marketplace/NPR radio.
WNYC frequently has Doughy Pantload on, with Lopate (I think) laughing at his insane ramblings. NPR has drifted seriously rightward since they had that wingnut president for a while (now fired for near-criminal behavior).
But another factor is that one of their big donors is, believe it or not, the Fox network. Maybe the donations come with a little string attached. In any case, WNYC got my last dollar last year.
Back on the topic… Schumer is hardly a good actor in this. It’s better for him if the corporations get money without strings, and that’s what opposing the ‘bad bank’ holdings means.
The bad bank holdings would hold and divest these messed up contracts – some of which would actually be worth something – and eventually charge the corporations over time for the losses the bad bank incurred.
Schmer doesn’t want that to happen. Duh.
> Is anyone surprised that the He Without Self-Awareness himself leads this dubious category?
Troofie, you still owe us a huge number of apologies for many divers reasons. Don’t forget to also denounce the repigs like El Chimpo who let 911 happen even after he was warned, not to mention running the US into the ground.
Today’s my fourth anniversary blogging. This is a link to a long, rambling post about what blogging’s meant to me and the inroads I’ve made in my personal education.
It’s funny. Every single thread for a week has consisted of people seriously responding to this fucking troll as though his assertions that Mexico is planning to conquer California and that all true whites hate Obama and blah blah blah are actually serious points, rather than random talking points heard on Rush this morning. People keep arguing without seeming to notice that the troll simply moves on to another random talking point after being “schooled” on the previous, but he’s not really being schooled, he’s getting exactly what he wants.
Also, in every thread, is somebody wondering where mikey is. My guess is he’s somewhere wishing that SN’s comment threads weren’t so useless and shitty anymore.
Hey libs, do you think a person who compares the Koran to Mein Kampf should be thrown in prison for hate speech?
That’s what ultra-liberal Holland just did to Geert Wilders!
Thoughts? Do you agree, or disagree?
I hope at least a few patriotic liberals here will stand up for free speech.
Ridiculous assumption! Provocative goading! Badger! Insult!
Come on! It’s a simple question.
I hope that American liberals can stand up for free speech, unlike their Euro counterparts.
You’re not free to shout fire in a theatre. HTH.
So in America you would want to throe people in jail for comparing the Koran to Mein Kampf? You want PC speech codes in America?
Herr Pantload gave a lecture at the London School of Economics. I listened to the lecture part and I”ll listen to the Q & Q just as soon as my ears stop bleeding.
Crap!
Hey libs, do you think a person who compares the Koran to Mein Kampf should be thrown in prison for hate speech?
No, but I think he should get a mudhole stomped in his ass for his sheer ignorance.
Q & A
Hey Susan! Would you want a law mandating prison for people who “insult” Islam?
I never knew people would pay someone to listen them whine about liberals. We get it for free.
Touch me, Confederate Yankee! Splooty sploot!
Come on! Don’t libs believe in free speech? Do you think someone should be thrown in prison for insulting Islam? What about insulting Christianity?
Come on! Don’t libs believe in free speech? Do you think someone should be thrown in prison for insulting Islam? What about insulting Christianity?
No jail time for either. However, do either to my face and I’ll beat the ever-livin’ shit outta ya.
I’ll answer any troll’s question if they answer one of mine first. Here it is:
Why do repigs and wingnuts hate America so much? What has America ever done to them, other than give them a handout*, that you would want her to fail so much?
* The famous inbalance of tax revenue/disbursements between the Blue and Red states.
Let me see–(flips through notes)–THe Founding Fathers would have been against Obama becasue he is for unity and they were for individualism. German whole grain campaigns were just as fascist as concentration camps, albeit less evil. The New Republic is liberal. And so on.
Hey “You Can’t Put Lipstick On A Repig said,”, I think we should eliminate the so-called “Alternative Minimum Tax”, which is nothing more than the Blue State Tax. You?
> You?
You gotta answer my question first. Why do you hate America so much?
It certainly should be illegal to insult any one’s intelligence by re-cycling Limbaugh’s drug-addled rants.
JRod:
It’s funny. Every single thread for a week has consisted of people seriously responding to this fucking troll as though his assertions that Mexico is planning to conquer California and that all true whites hate Obama and blah blah blah are actually serious points, rather than random talking points heard on Rush this morning. People keep arguing without seeming to notice that the troll simply moves on to another random talking point after being “schooled” on the previous, but he’s not really being schooled, he’s getting exactly what he wants.
Also, in every thread, is somebody wondering where mikey is. My guess is he’s somewhere wishing that SN’s comment threads weren’t so useless and shitty anymore.
I agree with everything but the first sentence. It’s not fucking funny at all. It’s mind-numbingly tedious.
The sad thing is that I don’t think it’s going to stop anytime soon. The worst offenders are having as much fun as the trolls are. A symbiotic relationship has developed.
So basically, the comments here are some horrible lovechild of The Great Orange Satan and Firedoglake.
Jesus fuck, that sure happened fast.
> So basically, the comments here are some horrible lovechild of The Great Orange Satan and Firedoglake.
Probably an unconscious response to NO NEW THREAD :-))))
While we’re on the subject of pie, the new Ben & Jerry flavor is called “Yes, Pecan”.
Simba B, I’ve been at work most of the week. Still getting my mind wrapped around the fact that my favorite blog has turned into shit, thanks to 2 trolls and the people who respond to them**.
**Presumes people responding earnestly to trolls aren’t also the parody trolls.
Hey!! Stupid assumption! Straw Man argument! Annoy! Annoy! Insult!
The Muslims are taking over and Islamicisizng Europe, and libs are concerned about gay marriage. Amazing!
“Token Afrikan-American elected Nat’l. GOP Chair.”
The rumors of my death are greatly exaggerated.
**Presumes people responding earnestly to trolls aren’t also the parody trolls.
You know, at this point I’d like to believe in the Theory of All One Guy™ (Alkon, Amy; Crid; et. al. 2007) but I don’t know anymore.
All I know is that in the past couple of days I’ve been just hitting “Mark all as read” too many times for my own satisfaction.*
horrible lovechild of The Great Orange Satan and Firedoglake.
Even the Pope wanted that baby aborted.
I thought you libs loved Firedoglake?
> “Token Afrikan-American elected Nat’l. GOP Chair.”
He’s not just ANY token!
http://www.juddlegum.com/blog/2009/01/5-facts-about-the-new-rnc-chairman/
Forget tokenism, he is a fully-qualified repig. Among other things that you are required to do to be a full repig, he
*) committed vote fraud
*) lied and refused to take it back after the lies were proven
*) made excuses for racist fellow repigs
He is such a repig that if you add Oxycontin, a fondness for Dominican male children, and about 250 pounds of lard – you would have Rush.
Well, except for that “deep tan”, anyways.
Unproven assertion!! Name-calling! Huh? Take that, libs!
Redstater, we didn’t complain when you let America be taken over by a bunch of murderous gangsters in 2000.
Can we haz new thred plze
I.F. Thunder
To:info@giveemhellharry.com
Harry, if the Democrats had a 100-0 lead in the Senate, I believe you would construct a rethuglican totem made of straw and manure just so you could cave in to it.
~
Back on the topic… Schumer is hardly a good actor in this. It’s better for him if the corporations get money without strings, and that’s what opposing the ‘bad bank’ holdings means
Schumer has his nuts in a vise, what with a lot of NY State’s revenue coming from Wall Street and the big banks. Schumer will have to have the flexibility of a lamprey to wriggle out of this conundrum with his career intact.
As I recall, the Democrats wanted to put strings in the bailout bill, but the Republicans said, “No, that would ruin everything.”
In case it wasn’t already noted upthread, mikey (aka mikeyhemlok) can often be found in the comments over at Spencer Ackerman’s place at the FDL collective (e.g., here), and occasionally next door in TBogg’s comments.
Also, in every thread, is somebody wondering where mikey is.
I’m not. This may not be popular, but I find him to be seriously erratic, and apt to lash out at just about anyone for any reason. There may be perfectly good reasons for him to be that way, but that doesn’t change the fact that he is.
what with a lot of NY State’s revenue coming from Wall Street and the big banks.
The good Dr. Edroso has some things to say on this topic.
(tangentially, in the Village Voice post he links to an NYT blogger called Jennfier 8. Lee. Yeah, I had to do a double check on that numeral too. What the fuck?)
Yeah, I just made a snarky comment there! NYC just hasn’t been the same since the Domino Sugar plant closed!
Jennifer 8 Lee had a really nice video presentation on Chinese cuisine and its place in American history.
Meanwhile the crisis is getting worse…
A crisis just showed up out of no where?
Sadly, No!
Under Bush the lesser, we had a real estate bubble that dwarfed the one that crippled Japan for 12 years.
The main causes of this bubble were 1) Wall Street MBS issuance, 2) easy credit, and 3) a provision inserted in the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act of 1999 at the insistence of Phil Gramm that allowed credit default swaps to go unregulated. Issuers could buy insurance and slap an AAA rating on their mortgage pools, while the providers of the insurance were not required to hold any reserves against same. Result: the market in credit default swaps ballooned from about $900 billion to between $50-$70 trillion within 7 years. And of course, when the insurance was needed, there was no where near enough cash to pay the piper.
Unsurprisingly: 4), the shrub Administration did absolutely nothing to address the problem. (And a trillion and counting down the needless debacle in Iraq, i.e. the war that would pay for itself, isn’t helping, either.)
None of this has anything to do with Soros, ACORN, Fannie Mae, Barney Frank, etc.
Sorry wingnuts, you’ve been played by your masters yet again.
But you’ll never learn, will you.
Simba, dunno ’bout the specifics, but “8” is the luckiest number possible in Chinese kultur (in one or another Chinese language it’s a homophone for luck or something).
nonHuman Events is bleating about the BILLIONS!!! in the stimpack that will go to ACORN!!1! Yep, it’s payback and also to establish a permanaent demislamohomobortocacry.That’s funny. Stale threads with only the usual sad trolls? Not so much.
Thread is better with no trolls, stale or not.
I respect the idea of letting anybody post, it’s a stark contrast to the wingnut blogs.
But…the bbt (boring bigot troll) pastes the exact same crap over and over, every day. That’s spamming, in my book.
Hey libs! Bookmark this: Pittsburgh Steelers will win the Superbowl!
Ah, good old Phil Gramm, the “mental recession” man. He always seemed like he was born to play Mr. Potter in It’s a Wonderful Life.
Shit, I heard that $4 billion to ACORN thing debunked on Mike Molloy last night.
My parents subscribed to Human Events in the early ’60s. (Yes, I put them out of their — & my — misery as soon as I was big enough to get pillows on their faces while they slept.) It was an 11×17 (or two) page folded in half, then folded in thirds to be envelope size, stapled together & mailed out. Fringe city, to put it mildly.
Today? Thanks a lot, intarnetz!!
Yay! Finally, the Repugs voted for a black man…too bad he’s not in Congress or the Senate.
I love Geert Wilders. But free speech, not so much, except of course for mich, mich, MICH!
“Gasbag”? Really?
BTW: Me/Palin ’12! Bookmark this, ihr Liberalen!
> Sorry wingnuts, you’ve been played by your masters yet again.
> But you’ll never learn, will you.
repigs are required to chant “We promise to never learn from our mistakes and instead blame them on Liberals” five times a day while bowing in the direction of the Caymen Islands.
Ich bin ein Paliner!
I don’t see how these threads are any different from 1, 2, 3 years ago.
Except that there are now less posts, so we are left to our own devices.
And all of you that are bitching and moaning were no where to be found during the great horrible song debate yesterday (that was all fun and mostly no trolls.)
Seriously, if you came to be serious, you are seriously in the wrong thread.
Unless you are seriously funny. And how can you claim that complaining is any more funny than screwing with the dumb troll(s)?
Palin’s apparently really pissing off her state’s congressional delegation – she’s taking credit for their shit, snubbing them, and hogging the national spotlight.
Man, she is the gift that keeps giving, isn’t she?
She keeps giving ME stiffies from beyond the grave, that’s for sure!
Alaska functions on the leadership principle. No mere “legislature” can match the glorious, purifying power of the Governor.
Probably an unconscious response to NO NEW THREAD
We don’t deserve a new thread if all we’re going to do is slowly strangle it to death again by handing it over to the trolls and their enablers.
Frequently is the questioned asked: Where’s mikey? Wherever it is, I want to go there too cuz that is perhaps where the S,N!™ snark and and silliness have also gone.
I miss mikey, too. We could all talk about what’s for dinner. What are you having?
> Frequently is the questioned asked: Where’s mikey? Wherever it is, I want to go there too cuz that is perhaps where the S,N!™ snark and and silliness have also gone.
Do I need to give Bluto’s speech that he gave to the frat house from Animal House now?
Don’t make me!
Ghost Adolph, you might need this back to help w/ your “stiffies.”
Or you might not.
Try this throbbing item instead.
Professionals usually have all sorts of support personnel. Teachers are expected to do it all by themselves. No wonder that half of new teachers are not teaching after 5 years.
That’s because too many dam’ parents — and I include the ones sending their kids to expensive private schools — don’t think of teachers as ‘professionals’. In their world, teachers are just unionized babysitters.
Stop feeding the troll, bleeding hearts! I’m half-convinced it’s all Gavin, or possibly HTML, trying to avoid the hard work of writing real posts by baiting the easily distracted.
Oh, fergit it.
I’m having sand.
Fishsticks!!!!! And brussells sprouts!!!!
Wow, A. L., I can’t believe there’s a more cynical person than I, & right here too.
But I’m guessing the hosts are trying to earn livings. Or steal them, as good proggies do.
What w/ Seb allegedly a “financial analyst,” he must be busy as fuck & we’re probably lucky he hasn’t eaten the hamsters yet, totally depriving us of our outlet.
Yakety Sax your favourite wingnuts and other corrupt scumbags.
For tonight’s dinner, I had what I called dinner yesterday, the
rindless brie & pseudo-sourdough, none of which I actually ate yesterday, as I merely scarfed the meatloaf down.
And another Dr Pepper®.
that one’s a slower load but worth it.
Oh, hey, what a good idea. I could troll my own blog, to ramp up traffic!
Nah.
Lesley comes through again!
Is a slower load supposed to be a link? WP’s fu is not good this evening.
BTW – tuna melts with cheap tuna, light mayo and chopped sweet pickle,the on-sale orowheat bread, in the frying pan with butter.
New laptop, though. Midnight Blue. ;-P
I think we’re firing up the breadmaker tonight, and honey-barbecue chicken besides.
I trolled it a while ago. Hope traffic’s up.
the Jonah Goldberg video is long so it takes awhile to load.
I’ll find a shorter something.
try this one
palin’s little fist seems to move in time to the music.
I wanted to use my solar-powered combination IP-tracker/teleporter to beam into your home or workplace, & give you a nice warm hug … but now thanks to that comment, my bloody head is too swollen for me to fit in the transport-chamber.
So you’re gonna have to settle for one of my Made-In-Canada organically-grown cyborg-zombie hunter-killer beavers (patent pending) & a joystick-controller.
PROTIP: do not use the “Jihad Surprise” button unless your beaver-borg is at least 200 metres away.
Immediate load for me.
I’m away from the computer and news all day and come back to find that the Republican Party’s new head is Jeffrey Tambor’s black twin. Hey now!
Hey jim,
Keep your eyes open. If in 5 to 8 years time there is a video game that includes specifically “beaver-borgs” I want you to know that I was thinking of you.
Yeti / Mr. Ed – 2012!!
Wow, A. L., I can’t believe there’s a more cynical person than I, & right here too.
Yeah, but I got us a new thread, didn’t I?
Stay tuned for more of “When Blowhards and Trolls Ruin Threads,” coming up in the next otherwise-promising episode of Sadly, No!
Hey, you’re welcome to run up your totals, bud. Stop whining. Start posting, mmmmmmmmmK?
Is anyone surprised that the He Without Self-Awareness himself leads this dubious category?
Awwwww, do I bug you? I hope so.
I’m so pleased that your idea of free speech and interaction includes one polite post from each and every reader, indexed and cross-referenced, and that you should be the final arbiter in who gets to post what and when!
And when that stick comes out of your hemorrhoidal anus, do you wash the diarrhea off, or just lick it clean? Just how bad IS your OCD?
*** commenting in behemoth thead 4 grape justice! ***
Keep your eyes open. If in 5 to 8 years time there is a video game that includes specifically “beaver-borgs” I want you to know that I was thinking of you.
Aww, shucks, thx, eh?
But, well – you also know the odds of some Canuckistani cyber-stoner to have ALREADY cranked off a Flash version of just that are about 0.99995 to 1, right? Homegrown FPS games were like Teh Dawn Of Teh New Tamaguchi about a year ago.
25 comments and no shout-out.
25 comments is nothing. Also, you’re going to have be a whole lot more annoying if you want to draw that kind of attention.
This is true. I only keep score when it’s warranted.
Nobody could’ve anticipated that “Gasbag Comment Scorekeeper” would fail to become a meme.
bruce could tell you…