Neocon Artists Vs. Pansy Division (Armand van Mencken Remix)
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… It was while Reagan was governor that he was ‘shocked’ to find a closet gay nexus operating under his nose. Lou Cannon’s book Ronnie and Jesse quotes Reagan as responding to this revelation, ‘My God, has government failed?’ After Lyn Nofziger purged the gays, Reagan could joke about it. When Truman Capote visited him, to plead for men on California’s Death Row, he lovably wisecracked: ‘Perhaps we should trawl him [Capote] through the halls to see if any of them are left.’…
Why does the right torture itself about homosexuality? The flagellation is partly a consequence of the overlap between extreme conservatives and the more traditional wing of the Roman Catholic Church. Then there is self-protection — honesty means loss of power, so gays on the right toe the line and gay-bash. [Rep. Robert] Bauman tells of sabotaging a Maryland fair-housing bill because it prohibited discrimination against homosexuals. And Terry Dolan mailed out a NCPAC fund-raising letter (he did object to it, later) that said: ‘Our nation’s moral fiber is being weakened by the growing homosexual movement.’ There is, of course, self-hatred in all this, personal but perhaps ideological. The latter stems from the neurotic identification by some conservatives of homosexual conduct with weakness, cowardice, even treason. To these people, the gay world is a lethal compound of E.M. Forster’s morality, Guy Burgess’s loyalty, and John Maynard Keynes’s economics. See how Jim Bakker squeals, not at the accusations of attempted rape of a female teenager or the actual swindling of a credulous congregation or at Jerry Falwell’s charge that he could not get an erection, but at the mere suggestion that he gave a man the eye! And remember, when William Buckley had just been called a Nazi, what the worst thing was that he could think of to hurl at Gore Vidal.
Yet history speaks of a long and not so surprising connection between homosexuality and the right. One can look to the church and the military. ‘Gay’ has never necessarily meant ‘left.’ Before Yukio Mishima committed ritual suicide after failing to restore fascism in Japan, he wrote in Forbidden Colors that the homosexual should always hate democracy. He argued that gays should identify with the right because they had everything to lose by majority rule. This was also a big theme in the early stirrings of the gay right in Nazi Germany. Other ultra-conservative homosexuals have also ranged themselves with the snobs and with the elitists, just as neo-conservative propagandists like Joseph Epstein and Midge Decter have crudely identified radical homosexuality with decadence and the effete.
The way through this morass is clear. It is marked by a simple signpost reading ‘Out.’ Once Bauman, Dolan, and others acknowledged their homosexuality, they began to evolve politically…
–Christopher Hitchens, ‘The Hate That Dare Not Speak Its Name,’ Harpers, August 1985.
The Straussian school places homosexuality (‘sodomy’, as it insists upon terming it) under a rigorous ban. Not only does homosexual practice attack the root of family values but it erodes patriotism and the other manly virtues. Harry Jaffa, who collaborated with [Allan] Bloom on books about Shakespeare’s politics, later denounced Bloom as a gay proselytizer for the sapping of the American morale….
Whether you are a creationist like Pat Robertson, or a Catholic like Pat Buchanan, or a materialist believer in ‘Natural Law’ like Jaffa and others, you can’t avoid the fact that the creator, or the Divinity, or Nature, or Evolution, has evidently mandated that there be a certain quite large number of homosexuals. The proportion may seem to fluctuate, as do attitudes towards it, which is why the classical and traditional schools have so much trouble with their attitude toward Greek antiquity. But there it is, like a lion in the path of the anti-humanists. They cannot, without admitting to the chaos of their worldview, seriously affirm that men and women are simultaneously designed to be sick and commanded to be well. So they take refuge in various confected ‘laws’, and, when these inevitably break down, they resort to simple-minded denial….
–Christopher Hitchens, ‘Bloom’s Way,’ The Nation, May 15, 2000.
“You know what happened to the Greeks. Homosexuality destroyed them. Sure, Aristotle was a homo, we all know that, so was Socrates.”
Ehrlichman interrupts to reassure his boss. Socrates, he says, “never had the influence that television had.”
Precisely, precisely. Nixon is on a roll, lecturing like a history professor:
“Do you know what happened to the Romans? The last six Roman emperors were fags. . . . You know what happened to the popes? It’s all right that popes were laying the nuns.”
Someone laughs nervously. Nixon bulls on, not a hint of humor in his voice.
“That’s been going on for years, centuries, but when the popes, when the Catholic Church went to hell in, I don’t know, three or four centuries ago, it was homosexual. . . . Now, that’s what happened to Britain, it happened earlier to France. And let’s look at the strong societies. The Russians. Goddamn it, they root them out, they don’t let ‘em hang around at all. You know what I mean? I don’t know what they do with them.”
“Dope? Do you think the Russians allow dope? Hell no. Not if they can catch it, they send them up. You see, homosexuality, dope, uh, immorality in general: These are the enemies of strong societies. That’s why the Communists and the left-wingers are pushing it. They’re trying to destroy us.”
— Gene Weingarten, “Dick Nixon: Just What Was He Smoking?” Common Dreams.org
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[Norman Podhoretz] detects, he claims, resemblances between the United States of today and Great Britain in the years after World War I. Similar distaste for combat occurred then to the extent ‘that the Illiad…could no longer be comfortably read.’ England itself was discredited in the eyes of the young; the place seemed drearily middle class. The young rebelled, some of them becoming Nazi sympathizers, others Communists or fellow travellers. ‘That Auden and Burgess were both homosexuals,’ says Podhoretz, ‘clearly had something, perhaps everything, to do with their need “completely and finally to rebel against England.” And indeed it is impossible to read books like Children of the Sun or Paul Fussell’s The Great War and Modern Memory without being struck by the central role homosexuality played in the entire rebellious ethos of the interwar period in England.’
‘…Homosexual feeling,’ Podhoretz says, ‘also accounted for a good deal of the pacificism that rose out of the trenches and into the upper reaches of the culture after the war was over.’ One would have thought, actually, that the fresh memory of the most wantonly bloody war in human history might have had something to do with it. Shortly thereafter, we get to the guts of the matter: ‘No wonder, then, that so many of those who resented their own country…should have been or should have chosen to become, homosexuals. For whatever else homosexuality may be, or may be caused by, to these young men of the English upper class it represented — the refusal of fatherhood and all that fatherhood entailed: responsibility for a family and therefore an inescapable implication in the destiny of society as a whole…they were rejecting their birthright as successors to their own fathers in assuming direct responsibility for the fate of the country.’
It’s a short leap now to the conclusion: ‘Anyone familiar with homosexual apologetics in America today will recognize these attitudes.’ That is: England appeased in the ’30s; there were homosexuals in England; therefore homosexuals caused appeasement. Watch your ass, Neville Chamberlain. Specifically mentioning Allen Ginsberg, James Baldwin and Gore Vidal, Podhoretz says we ‘find the same sort of pacificism [with Vietnam naturally standing in for World War I], hostility to one’s own country and its putatively dreary middle-class way of life, and dersion of the idea that it stands for anything worth defending or that it is threatened by anything but its own stupidity and wickedness.’
Short of direct charges that Commie faggots are running the State Department, it is hard to conceive of a more hysterical and willfully demagogic posture: America is getting soft on Communism; America’s population includes declared homosexuals; homosexuals are pacifists and soft on Communism: finally (though this is as yet unstated), homosexual Communists run America.
–Alexander Cockburn, ‘Poddy on the Threat’, Village Voice, 1977
Like most members of the new class, [Midge] Decter [aka Mrs. Norman Podhoretz] accepts without question Freud’s line (Introductory Lectures on Psychoanalysis) that “we actually describe a sexual activity as perverse if it has given up the aim of reproduction and pursues the attainment of pleasure as an aim independent of it.” For Freud, perversion was any sexual activity involving “the abandonment of the reproductive function.” Freud also deplored masturbation as a dangerous “primal affliction.” So did Moses. But then it was Freud’s curious task to try to create a rational, quasi-scientific basis for Mosaic Law….
Decter now moves in the big artillery. Not only are fags silly and a nuisance but they are, in their unrelenting hatred of heterosexualists, given to depicting them in plays and films and books as a bunch of klutzes, thereby causing truly good men and women to falter — even question — that warm, mature heterosexuality that is so necessary to keeping this country great…
Decter is in full cry. Fags are really imitation women. Decter persists in thinking that same-sexers are effeminate, swishy, girlish. It is true that a small percentage of homosexualists are indeed effeminate, just as there are effeminate heterosexualists. I don’t know why this is so. No one knows why. Except Decter. She believes that this sort “of female imitation pointed neither to sympathy with nor flattery of the female principle.” Yet queens of the sort she is writing about tend to get on very well with women. But Decter can only cope with two stereotypes: the boys on the beach, mincing about, and the drab political radicals of gay liberation… Decter knows her Freud and reality may not intrude: “The desire to escape from the sexual reminder of birth and death, with its threat of paternity — that is, displacement of oneself by others — was the main underlying desire that sent those Fire Island homosexuals into the arms of other men. Had it been the opposite desire — that is, the positive attraction to the manly — at least half of the boutiques, etc.,” would have closed. Decter should take a stroll down San Francisco’s Castro Street, where members of the present generation of fags look like off-duty policeman or construction workers. They have embraced the manly. But Freud has spoken. Fags are fags because they adored their mothers and hated their poor, hard-working daddies. It is amazing the credence still given this unproven, unprovable thesis.
Some years ago, gay activists came to Harper’s, where Decter was an editor, to demonstrate against an article by Joseph Epstein, who had announced, “If I had the power to do so, I would wish homosexuality off the face of the earth.” Well, that’s what Hitler had the power to do in Germany, and did — or tried to do. The confrontation at Harper’s now provides Decter with her theme. She tells us that one of the demonstrators asked, “Are you aware of how many suicides you may be responsible for in the homosexual community?” I suspect that she is leaving out the context of this somewhat left-field cri de coeur. After all, homosexualists have more to fear from murder than suicide. I am sure that the actual conversation had to do with the sort of mischievous effect that Epstein’s Hitlerian piece might have had on those fag-baiters who read it.
But Decter slyly zeroes in on the word “suicide.” She then develops a most unusual thesis. Homosexualists hate themselves to such an extent that they wish to become extinct either through inviting murder or committing suicide. She notes that in a survey of San Francisco’s homosexual men, half of them “claimed to have had sex with at least five hundred people.” This “bespeaks the obliteration of all experience, if not, indeed, of oneself.” Plainly Decter has a Mosaic paradigm forever in mind and any variation on it is abominable. Most men — homo or hetero — given the opportunity to have sex with 500 different people would do so, gladly; but most men are not going to be given the opportunity by a society that wants them safely married so that they will be docile workers and loyal consumers. It does not suit our rulers to have the proles tomcatting around the way that our rulers do…
Meanwhile, according to Decter, “many homosexuals are nowadays engaged in efforts at self-obliteration…there is the appalling rate of suicide among them.” But the rate is not appreciably higher than that for the rest of the population. In any case, most who do commit — or contemplate — suicide do so because they cannot cope in a world where they are, to say the least, second-class citizens. But Decter is now entering uncharted country. She also has a point to make: “What is undeniable is the increasing longing among the homosexuals to do away with themselves — if not in the actual physical sense then at least spiritually — a longing whose chief emblem, among others, is the leather bars.”
So Epstein will not be obliged to press that button in order to get rid of the fags. They will do it themselves. Decter ought to be pleased by this, but it is not in her nature to be pleased by anything that the same-sexers do. If they get married and have children and swear fealty to the family gods of the new class, their wives will…drink. If they live openly with one another, they have fled from woman and real life. If they pursue careers in the arts, heteros will have to be on guard against vicious covert assaults on heterosexual values. If they congregate in the fashion business the way that Jews do in psychiatry, they will employ only those heterosexuals who will put out for them.
Decter is appalled by the fag “takeover” of San Francisco. She tells us about the “ever deepening resentment of the San Francisco straight community at the homosexuals’ defiant displays and power… over this city,” but five paragraphs later she contradicts herself: “Having to a very great extent overcome revulsion of common opinion, are they left with some kind of unappeased hunger that only their own feelings of hatefulness can now satisfy?”
There it is. They are hateful. They know it. That is why they want to eliminate themselves.
Decter now gives us not a final solution so much as a final conclusion: “In accepting the [gay] movements’ terms…heterosexuals have only raised to a nearly intolerable height the costs of the homosexuals’ flight from normality.” The flight, apparently, is deliberate, a matter of perverse choice, a misunderstanding of daddy, a passion for mummy, a fear of responsibility. Decter threads her cliches like Teclas on a string: “Faced with the accelerating round of drugs, S-M and suicide, can either the movement or its heterosexual sympathizers imagine they have done anyone a kindness?”
Herewith the burden of “The Boys on the Beach”: since homosexuals choose to be the way they are out of idle hatefulness, it has been a mistake to allow them to come out of the closet to the extent that they have, but now that they are out (which most are not), they will have no choice but to face up to their essential hatefulness and abnormality and so be driven to kill themselves with promiscuity, drugs, S-M and suicide….
— Gore Vidal, “Pink Triangle and Yellow Star”, The Nation, November 14, 1981
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a closet gay nexus
I missed that episode of ST:DS9.
Whew that’s a lot to digest for breakfast!
Wow, they really hate Teh Ghey.
Which makes me wonder how many pink tutus are doing the watusi in their closets right now.
Win.
And while we’re on the subject of remixes, allow me to present the video to which my companion piece goes: inaugurating The One in seven minutes or less.
Buck mark this fags &c.
There are basically two kinds of healthy young man: the kind that spend half of their time joking at seducing one another because it’s conceptually funny and the kind that spend that time yelling all the slurs they imagine they’d hear if everyone found out.
Me & mine would typically respond to the like of Dolan with a lascivious sneer. Cruel, sure, but Jesus, you just can’t turn what you hate about yourself into anger at the world. It’s not right.
Happy January 20th!!!!
It is, isn’t it!
YAY!!!
Nobody hates open fags like closeted fags. Nobody.
Almost here in Chicago. Oh, and this homo surrender monkey says nice work, Mencken
It was while Reagan was governor that he was ’shocked’ to find a closet gay nexus operating under his
nosehips.St. Ronnie always did wonder why all these men were sucking his dick – and it’s kinda funny that, even after he’s been dead for years, they are still sucking on Reagan’s cock.
St. Ronnie always did wonder why all these men were sucking his dick
Why, yes, yes he did.
They’re not just threatening me!! It’s all of Western Civilization at stake. And me, of course.
The truly vicious smear, though, was when those horrible, horrible people dared to refer to Dick “Dick” Cheney’s lesbian daughter as a (gasp!) lesbian!
gays on the right toe
Actually, this is quite a painful condition, and it’s not fair to make fun of it.
Did someone say Pansy Division?
Feeling really uneasy about the Obamysteria gripping the nation, and feeling the need to throw a bucket of ice water on the “surge.”
Get over Obama. Barry ain’t changin’ shit. Modern Day Lincoln? See below.
You think we’re out of Iraq? Got another think coming. Bob Gates again? Continuity does not excuse crimes against peace and crimes against humanity.
Escalation in Afghanistan? Brilliant! They don’t call it the Graveyard Of Emipres for nothing.
Clean coal? Of course we should believe fantastic projections based on 1930’s era coal tar and gas extraction technologies!
Nuclear power? It’s not like we need solutions within the ten-year time frame experts estimate it takes for a fully operational nuclear power plant to pay for its construction, fuel extraction, necessary maintenance and waste disposal with a single positive watt of power.
And if you need more proof about how they are all straw men who deserve nothing but out contempt, ridicule and constant vigilance, here’s the previous day’s Lincoln elaborating on race relations during the 1858 campaign in which he was elected to the Senate:
Abraham Lincoln, July 1858, Chicago Illinois:
Let us discard all this quibbling about this man and the other man, this race and that race and the other race being inferior, and therefore they must be placed in an inferior position. Let us discard all these things, and unite as one people throughout this land, until we shall once more stand up declaring that all men are equal.
Abraham Lincoln, September 1858, Charleston Illinois:
I will say, then, that I am not, nor have ever been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races (applause from audience); that I am not, nor have ever been, in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people…
And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of the superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.
A People’s History Of The United States, Howard Zinn, 2003 p. 188.
They’re all monsters.
Again, get over Prince Barry. He’s going to fuck the liberal movement worse than Clinton. It sucks, but it’s true. “Peaceful” occupation of “postwar Iraq” by “military advisors?” Escalation in Afghanistan? Clean coal? Nuclear power? Hillary Fucking Shark Sandpaper Clinton as Secretary of State?
I would truly regret my vote if the alternative weren’t so abhorrent. I really hope that I’m wrong. I want Obama to succeed in doing for us what we need done. I have no confidence in his will to do so.
The sooner you stop him breaking your heart the happier you’ll be. I promise.
these people thing more about Teh Gay, then Teh Gays do.
It’s unclear from the quoted bit, but did N-Pod actually use the phrase “homosexual apologetics”? Because – holy fuck is that offensive. As offensive as grouping commies, pacifists and Nazi sympathizers together. Seriously, what do commies, pacifists and Nazi sympathizers have in common? According to Podhoretz – they are all GAY.
Yet history speaks of a long and not so surprising connection between homosexuality and the right. One can look to the church and the military.
I’ve always thought there was a strong undercurrent of Teh Ghey running thru pretty much every macho male cult/stereotype. Let’s face it, men putting other men on pedestals is pretty darn gay…and you won’t find man-worship on the left the way you do on the right, with its cult of military macho, manly man icons like rugged cowboys, sports heroes, intrepid explorers and seafarers, etc etc etc. The one thing all of these have in common is they are icons of activities men engage in with other men – women are pretty much absent from the picture in all these scenarios (not as much in the military these days, but certainly in what rightwingers would probably peg as the “glory days” of the military – WWII and Korea). All of these stereotype/archetypes, activities appeal for that very reason – being a part of them, even just as a fan, provides a comforting proof of masculinity. The point of course is that men who are secure with their sexuality don’t need these crutches. That’s not to say that there aren’t plenty of well-adjusted hetero AND homo men who are both quite comfortable with their sexuality and also happen to be war history buffs, or sports fans, or what have you…but I don’t think they’re the ones who elevate these things to cult level.
I would truly regret my vote if the alternative weren’t so abhorrent. I really hope that I’m wrong. I want Obama to succeed in doing for us what we need done. I have no confidence in his will to do so.
Jesus Christ, it’s 1:47 in the fucking morning, can we save the blighted “I told you so” firing squads until noon, for fuck’s sake?
That’s all I ask.
Noon.
After that, you can bitch and complain all to your fucking content. But starting in the pitch-black cold of night to complain about all the shit Obama hasn’t done yet is fucking insane.
Seriously, what do commies, pacifists and Nazi sympathizers have in common? According to Podhoretz – they are all GAY.
Well, on one hand, I’m a commie peacenik that can find dudes attractive. On the other hand, Nazis can all burn in hell.
So, three (or maybe two and a half) out of four?
“After that, you can bitch and complain all to your fucking content. But starting in the pitch-black cold of night to complain about all the shit Obama hasn’t done yet is fucking insane.”
Sorry. And really not insane. The pitch-black cold needs to be thrown on this triumphal coronation. People. Need. To. Start. Thinking.
Think. Think. Think.
Perpetual occupation of Iraq. Isn’t that what’s really fucking insane?
Escalation in Afghanistan. Isn’t that what’s really fucking insane?
Clean Coal. Isn’t that what’s really fucking insane?
Nuclear power. Isn’t that what’s really fucking insane?
We haven’t got ’til noon. We’ve got centuries years of insanity to clean up already.
And the continuing threat to Iran, and support for the continuing genocide in Gaza, and the continuing attempted strangulation of Cuba…
But BHO is black, intelligent, articulate, and likely to support reasonable social development — to a limited extent.
He’s good news for many Americans. Not so much for the rest of the planet.
Yo, Comsympinko, chill out dude. Have a drink, smoke a j, but just relax. Running around shrieking with your hair on fire isn’t a good look for you.
The big dicklicking Obamathon exists primarily in your head, dude. I don’t think people voted for a messiah, they voted for a politician, and they know the fucking difference.
America exalts politicans. This is a fact of American life; a cruel fact, yes, but trying to piss on the popular ones won’t really change that. America exalts politicians, so Obama is a class-0 media event instead of a class-1 and Bush is slinking into the perpetual twilight of wingnut welfare instead of trying to act butch for the cameras as we shoot his ass.
We’ve got centuries years of insanity to clean up already.
“We” . . . You got a turd in your pocket?
The Messiah won 28 states & ~53% of the vote. Progressives have got dick-all political mo-jo right now, even though a putative ally — his mom was on AFDC after all — has actually fucking won the White House.
I’ll be happy if Hussien just doesn’t fuck things up worse they than are now. Anything better than that, like counterbalances to Roberts & Alito, in his first term will be gravy.
We haven’t got ’til noon. We’ve got centuries years of insanity to clean up already.
Any truth to the rumor that one of the first signs of mental instability is the inability to seperate time?
And seriously, I back Leon Trotsky here. (There’s a first since high school.) The throwing of bombs needs to wait. You know who are taking over Washington? Not the bomb-throwers. We don’t have a bomb-thrower up there, but that don’t mean they don’t exist – they do. They’re just right-wing crazies.
And you know what those bomb throwers get? Dick.
The Bush presidency is almost certain to be a historical last for those same bomb-throwers, the last shot they’ll have at yoking the feminazis and the last shot they’ll have at putting Reagan on the cross in the schoolroom. They and the neocons won big in the short term by pitching a hissy fit and forcing every conversation to include them, and their weedling their way into national politics was a grand feat of endurance. Then, when the curtain rose, they froze – because bomb-throwing was all they knew how to do. 2006 happened because 2004 happened, the public grabbed the nearest inoffensive Mormon and threw power at him, shouting “Here, take the fucking Congress, just keep us away from those lunatics!” The same lunatics that had won power on promises to do great, nation-changing things proceeded to sit around and whine about how there were still isolated holdouts that refused to worship Aryan Jesus.
Because that’s what happens when bomb-throwers get their hands on the Bomb. It never winds up the way the pacifists are afraid of, because bomb-throwers are greedy and impatient, they always have smaller fish to fry, and nothing is ever any more important than their long, long list of pet causes.
You don’t fight bomb-throwers by throwing bombs back. You can, I mean, but it doesn’t do a great deal – for all the talk about your Goldwaters and your Birch Societies and your Strausses being intellectual forebears to the modern right, they, too, accomplished Dick in their time. They did best when they found champions capable of adapting to the reptile life of a Village scene creature, throwing money around and getting chummy and knowing who needed to get his balls dandled and who needed to get his back stabbed.
Because the bomb-throwers took over, because they convinced enough of those reptiles that they were the next majority without actually having anything to deliver for it, they lead the most wealthy, privileged men born since the rise of Rome off a cliff. John McCain is the kind of man America breeds to throw power at, and he lost to a black guy. (Is there nothing worth celebrating there?) His party is self-destructing, formenting grand leper-falls in which the enemies of the State be purged and Aryan heroes arise from graveyards and drive the Bolsheviks out with angelic assistance. Meanwhile, the reptiles that played it safe survive – the way they always do.
There’s an unbreakable chain of money and influence from Grant to Obama, an unimpeachable heritage of invisible suits with fat wallets and empty eyes. This is how the American republic works.
Deal with it. I’m not saying that sarcastically. Deal with it: your life is going to be governed by the safe bets millionaires make.
This isn’t Saudi Arabia or tsarist Russia – yet, anyway – and there are far too many millionaires for shooting them to do any good before the safe bets change to fascist reaction.
Keep the pressure on, understand when you’re just being a contrarian asshole, know that looking like a loser is the best way to write yourself off, and play them for all they’re worth.
Right now, all they’re worth is Barack Obama. Keep the safe bets going the same way and in twenty years Debs will be back on the table. I’m not saying there’s nothing to be gained by pissing into the wind, I’m just saying that doing it for its own sake is a stupid fucking idea.
And you’re still wrong about nuclear power.
Shorter comsympinko: I made a Black Bug Room! Wanna lock yourself in it with me?
Brandi: Ahhhh, so that’s what that phrase means.
Nuclear power isn’t anymore insane than fire. Pretty cool (heh) as long as you keep it under control.
An I believe that the preferred nomenclature for a 4/4 is “oontz oontz oontz oontz”, also.
With resentment as its core, what else can the right do about Teh Gay?
They are all about suppressing human emotion, locking everyone in gender boxes, and restricting free will and opportunity. While it’s no bed of roses for women in our society, we are even more rigid (ahem) about what a Man is, and it’s always amazing to me that any Y chromosome person in our society manages to get to adulthood with some compassion and empathy and sense of honor; all those outlets are horribly screwed up.
These people can’t accept the concept of a decent straight male; what shot does have a gay one have with that kind of thinking?
Midge Decter needed a couple of hours alone with a bottle of cheap tequila and a couple of diesel dykes.
There, I said it.
Midge Decter needed a couple of hours alone with a bottle of cheap tequila and a couple of diesel dykes.
Diesel dykes had the benefits of low maintenance, durability, and high efficiency, at the cost of being slow, smelly, and noisy. At least back in the ’80s.
An I believe that the preferred nomenclature for a 4/4 is “oontz oontz oontz oontz”, also.
Well, it depends on if you’re transliterating an 808 or a 909.
Re-reading those quotes of Hitchens’, particularly the earlier one from his pre-insanity days, it really saddens me to see what’s become of him.
Except that it’s much easier to dispose of fire waste, and fire waste doesn’t keep giving people cancer for centuries after the fire is out.
Other than that, though, nahhhhh, there’s no difference in the relative sanity at all!
I think the amount of fire necessary to produce the same amount of usable energy as a nuclear plant produces would probably have some unpleasant side effects.
Smut Clyde: Aw man, that was the best episode ever!
comsympinko: We haven’t got ’til noon.
Then what are you doing fucking around on the internet?
What was Barry O’ and team supposed do before noon?
The sooner you stop him breaking your heart the happier you’ll be. I promise.
Like Alec said this supposed love affair/messiah worship is your own construct and sorry, man, but you seem like the last person I’d take “how to be happy” lessons from. I reckon you’re an atheist but I still think you should ponder the serenity prayer for a while. The sooner you take its meaning to heart the happier you’ll be. I promise.
It has a catchy hook, but I’m not sure the kids are going to dance to it.
I still think you should ponder the serenity prayer for a while.
Oh, you mean the godbag’s version of “You can’t fight City Hall”? Yeah, that’s good advice…
This is my dick.
That is your dick (or vagina).
I don’t care what you do with your dick (or vagina).
Why do you care what I do with mine?
Oh, you mean the godbag’s version of “You can’t fight City Hall”?
No. I don’t mean anything that simple. The serenity prayer and the phrase, “You can’t fight City Hall” are so obviously different that I think you should also say the prayer until you have the wisdom to understand the difference between the two. If you still don’t get it I’ll explain it to you.
And no, I’m not a godbag. I’m an atheist who appreciates the prayer anyway and thinks comsympinko sounds miserable and needs some perspective.
You know, I sort of understand why some straight men would come up with all kinds of weird theories about what “motivates” gay men, instead of accepting that they’re just guys who like cock, but what I having a harder time figuring out is how an ostensibly straight woman, who by definition would presumably share that fondness, would have the same trouble emphasizing.
But me, I’m so bi I keep wishing they’d invent new body parts so I could be into those, so what do I know.
“We don’t worship the Obamessiah but let anyone suggest he should be treated with suspicion and we’ll question his mental health.”
He’s Tony Blair. We all cheered for Blair. We pretended he would be good for the left because we really needed to believe it after 18 years of far-right government–these people tried to ban dancing ffs.
But this time, I know him when I see him. You’ve elected Blair. I hope your disillusion doesn’t come at the cost of a million Arabs and your economy further in the shitter.
*sigh*
Because Barrack Obama was elected by twelve year olds who saw a new pony, but you know the truth, right? Thanks for trying to save us, it’s very sweet.
Now shut the fuck up.
Because the folks here do have a bit of experience with politics, and they have encountered reality, and they’re not twelve years old. And no, you don’t get the chance to sing “I told you so” the first time anyone’s disappointed in Obama, because some folks already are. You got beat to the punch, now get over it.
K?
So, these folks who have “encountered reality” have, just for the past few decades, elected Nixon twice, elected Reagan twice, elected W twice.
Boy…I love me an American electorate with such a firm grasp on reality.
Now in frosted and plain!
Baggie O’Dicks, Baggie O’Dicks
Better than Cheerios!
Better than Trix!
Get started with some Dicks this morning as part of a balanced breakfast.
Begorah!
An interesting bunch of posts and insights.
I think the (sausage) linkage between repressed or self-hating homosexuals and right-wing movements, is also clearly due to a particularly toxic type of identification with the aggressor.
A self-hating gay person (or African-American, or otherwise feminist woman) says “I shouldn’t be like this. It’s bad that I am. I need someone to keep me from being bad. There’s someone who promises to not let people be bad. That’s the movement that’s right for me.”
Thus the right wing just “feels” right for self-hating non-whites. They can feel approved of, by feeling that they’re confirming they’re bad. They then rationalize their joining this movement to their conscious mind by whatever rationale they can.
Another attraction for self-hating male gays in particular, is that right-wing movements are *definitely* more patriarchal. They are 100% all about male authority. This is not an accident – I really do think George Lakoff has a valuable insight, when he states that they come from a top-down family model. One person, usually the father, rules at the top, and grants lesser authorities only as long as He is not contradicted.
This is the only thing that makes sense of the Republican platform. This is the emotional glue that holds together such logically inconsistent platforms as no abortion, no contraception, no sex education but only abstinence, no restrictions on Presidential executive authority, no evolution being taught in schools (contradicting the male Father-God’s stated authority), etc. etc. This even explains how right-wing conservatives really aren’t bothered when one of their leaders is caught lying or cheating. That leader is the authority – he is not to be judged by lessers. He is only to be judged if he contradicts a higher approved fatherly authority.
The flip side of this, is that whites who hate themselves for being white (or for undefined reasons they can’t find anything else to hang on) are more likely to join left-wing movements. This is a good explanation of “White guilt”, for example.
That said, left-wing movements are also much more logically consistent. I may be biased as a liberal and progressive, but I will gladly draw the two ideologies out in any logic class and compare them side by side.
I put this up because I’ve been in one of those self-torture moods, and re-reading through the Pod’s version of his feud with Allen Ginsberg.
What I’m getting at in this is that there’s way more than just the Xtian antipathy to homosexuality (with which we’re all familiar) in the rightwing anti-homo crusade: there’s a Jewish aspect to it, as well.
Neocon artists like Pod, Decter, Bloom, et al. aren’t/weren’t of the right only because they share(d) the Christian-WASP desire to incinerate Muslims and Commies.
Is it worth narrowing down the objections to Chistian and Jew, et cetera? Authoritarian movements need people to beat up on, and teh ghey is incomprehensible to lunkheads and therefore scary. Searching through scripture is justification and not first cause.
Well, what G.V. boiled it down to was monotheism, and there’s something to that.
As for justification and first cause — chicken or egg?
Part of NPod’s identity politics is to be allegedly more Jew than the secular/liberal Jews he loathes. If you read through his history, how he and Irving Kristol became such a menaces to humanity all started in Brooklyn when they both learned early and well to hate a) their fellow Jews, mostly German-Jews, who had assimilated into America and b) blacks.