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Well here’s a new one.
Pope Spoke About Imminent Market Collapse Back in 1985
Pope Benedict XVI predicted a global market crisis back in a paper he wrote in 1985. Bloomberg reported:
Pope Benedict XVI was the first to predict the crisis in the global financial system, a “prophecy” dating to a paper he wrote when he was a cardinal, Italian Finance Minister Giulio Tremonti said.
“The prediction that an undisciplined economy would collapse by its own rules can be found” in an article written by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, who became pope in April 2005, Tremonti said yesterday at Milan’s Cattolica University.
German-born Ratzinger in 1985 presented a paper entitled “Market Economy and Ethics” at a Rome event dedicated to the Church and the economy. The future pope said a decline in ethics “can actually cause the laws of the market to collapse.”
Pope Benedict in an Oct. 7 speech reflected on crashing markets and concluded that “money vanishes, it is nothing” and warned that “the only solid reality is the word of God.”
Here is the full text of Pope (then Cardinal) Benedict’s essay on a free market economy and ethics from 1985.
Although, it is not so clear that this was an actual “prediction,” this section of the essay sticks out on the dependence of a free market economy and a definitive ethical system:It is becoming an increasingly obvious fact of economic history that the development of economic systems which concentrate on the common good depends on a determinate ethical system, which in turn can be born and sustained only by strong religious convictions. Conversely, it has also become obvious that the decline of such discipline can actually cause the laws of the market to collapse. An economic policy that is ordered not only to the good of the group — indeed, not only to the common good of a determinate state — but to the common good of the family of man demands a maximum of ethical discipline and thus a maximum of religious strength. The political formation of a will that employs the inherent economic laws towards this goal appears, in spite of all humanitarian protestations, almost impossible today. It can only be realized if new ethical powers are completely set free.
Right, okay. And then if you actually look at Cardinal Ratzinger’s paper, you see that he kept using the words ‘Marx’ and ‘Marxism’ as though he were somehow aware that this idea — the idea that unregulated markets will tend to cycle into periodic collapse — comes directly from Karl Marx. Indeed, it seems that the Cardinal miraculously predicted that this very idea has long been considered common sense throughout Europe and pretty much the entire world, especially in the wake of the Great Depression of the 1930s.
But then, ‘pretty much the entire world’ leaves out certain enclaves of fundamentalist free-market purism, of what used to be a sky-hooting, pie-eyed, right-wing cult sainted by weirdos such as Hayek, Rand, and Von Mises, but is now — after decades of argument, propaganda, argument, people talking and talking on television and radio, and hundreds of millions of dollars of generous contributions by wealthy business interests — known to many Americans, including Gateway Pundit, by the shorthand term of ‘the laws of economics.’
In this milieu, Das Kapital is assumed by people who haven’t read it — because why would anyone ever want to read it? — to be a book like Mein Kampf, describing Marx’s evil plot to enslave Russia and the world. Chillingly, Cardinal Ratzinger seems to favor certain features of Marxism against the free-market orthodoxy he criticizes in the paper, suggesting that the Pope is literally a murderous Stalinist made of Hitlers, i.e. is associated with terrorists.
But hey, if Gateway Pundit wants to launder commonplace Marxian insights through miraculous Papal utterances from the 1980s, at least that’s better than the post directly underneath, as in right under, as in the exact previous post from less than an hour earlier:
“Obama Factor” Weighs Heavy in Market Crash
The stock market continued its horrible post-election crash Thursday:
The Dow is down nearly 20% since Barack Obama won the presidential election. This is the largest post election stock market sell off in history.Doug Ross tracked the Obama factor in the current market slide in this very interesting blog post–
“Barack Obama and the Wisdom of Crowds”
If we zoom into the September-to-November timeframe, we’ll see something very enlightening. By late September it was increasingly clear to Intrade.com bettors that Obama was going to win the election. From 9/28 to 9/29 Obama’s Intrade price went from 57 to 61, which represented a huge jump… Around September 29th the market began its collapse.
Call it a crisis of confidence. Call it a Fannie-inspired meltdown. Call it what you will, but the markets appear to have reacted to Obama’s promises of economic “fairness”, “spreading the wealth” and raising taxes on the job creators of society.
Read the whole thing here.
For more fanny-inspired meltdowns, watch the constantly evolving, self-contradictory, heat-seeking blame-missiles of rationalization accumulating in teetering stockpiles at sites such as Gateway Pundit (traffic: 25,000 souls daily). Message: Everything is all your fault in a way that we will soon figure out.
Das Kapital is assumed by people who haven’t read it — because why would anyone ever want to read it? — to be a book like Mein Kampf, describing Marx’s evil plot to enslave Russia and the world.
Marx is a much better writer than Shickelgruber.
And cripes – I thought the Communist Manifesto was the seeekrit plot. Or maybe the Critique of the Gotha Program, since that’s where the “from each” quote comes from.
To quote Terry Pratchett, watching these asshats try be clever is like watching a dog try to play trombone.
“Look! The guy who became Pope mentioned the economy! And … Here’s a chart! And some dates!”
fanny-inspired meltdowns
c.f. my comment on the previous thread about Powerline.
Post schlock ergo proper schlock!
I read down to the bottom of Cardinal Adolf Ratzinger’s paper: “In conclusion, the international Jewish banking conspiracy isn’t constrained by our godly Christian ethics.”
…and by proper, I mean “propter”, which is much funnier.
Ratzinger for Chair of the Fed!
Huzzah for Infallible Monetary Policy!
Interest Rate Cut ex cathedra!
[updated a tiny bit for clarity, btw]
Actually, I think the blame can be placed squarely on John McCain and Sarah Palin, for not winning the election. America-hating bastards!
Shorter Gateway Pundit , ” Cardinal Ratzinger knew in 1985 that Obama would become the President of the USA .”
I was exposed to the ravings of rightie radio while driving yesterday and the ‘Obama Recession’ was the big idea of the day. Basically, Wall Street is willing to destroy the economy of the world to avoid having the US marginal tax rate increased a few percentage points. And Death Tax something something Capital Gains tax blubber blubber. Oh and the Community Reinvestment Act, created by the godless pagan Carter, let black people buy houses and that caused the current shitstorm.
I think it was Marx who said Right wing radio is the opiate of the stupid.
Wait – so you’re actually saying the Pope Benedict XVI is just a puppet of Karl Marx?! OMG! Rod Parsley was right – them papists is a bunch of devil worshippin’ commies!
I hope teh Rapture™ comes soon: the thought of being enslaved by Zombie Karl Marx and his dapper Socialist Pope-bot is more frightening then a negroid Prez-nit!
That’s pretty awe-inspiring – but retired Milwaukee pipefitter Mickey Bitsko predicted a global crisis way back in 1964:
Lotta goddamn shit. Lotta shit. It’s gonna happen. Fuck. Gonna be some bad shit, too. Reak goddamn bad.
My guess is that Ratzinger was hanging out in Grogan’s LateNiter at the time and overheard Bitsko’s analysis.
Who knew that the Emperor was a commie?
Maybe I misread the intentions of the Death Star.
You have to crack a few eggs…
Your morning smile on wry:
Conrad Black asks Bush for pardon
http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=fca1d470-6655-421f-b80e-93fb19c05df2
These arguments are not new for the Church. Benedict doesn’t cite it in his paper, but Leo XIII’s encyclical Rerum Novarum addressed similar issues in 1891.
The question whether objective truth can be attributed to human thinking is not a question of theory but is a practical question. Man must prove the truth — i.e. the reality and power, the this-sidedness of his thinking in practice. The dispute over the reality or non-reality of thinking that is isolated from practice is a purely scholastic question.
Rand or Marx? Savior or terrorist? It’s actually kind of interesting how they both valued human action and concreteness over abstraction.
Or in practical political terms, there’s the role of Marxism and liberation theology in the Latin American Church — sometimes characterized as ‘the problem of liberation theology,’ depending on how the winds are blowing at the moment.
Pope Benedict in an Oct. 7 speech reflected on crashing markets and concluded that “money vanishes, it is nothing” and warned that “the only solid reality is the word of God.”
Gold standard —-> Federal Treasury —-> Jesusbucks
The inevitable forward march of history!
Actually, my impression of Rand has been that she adopted Marxism wholesale, and simply turned it on its head, replacing the proletariat with the investor class.
RE-RUM! RE-REUM!
my impression of Rand has been that she adopted Marxism wholesale, and simply turned it on its head
Personally I’d say it was Stalinism that she filed the serial number off of, since Objectivism is much more the cult of personality than Marxism has ever been.
But you’re right – Objectivism’s just basically Bizarro World Soviet Communism.
I like that, Gavin. I’d never thought of it that way but it makes a lot of sense. I really haven’t spent enough time with Objectivism to actually have informed opinions about it, other than the fact that I can’t get more than a third of the way into any of Rand’s novels and that Greenspan is a total douche.
Good to know that it is impossible for me to be ethical without believing in a sky fairy and the baby jeebus. I’m off to commit random acts of mischief and anti-social behavior!
Shorter Popesie: “Keep fillin’ up those collection plates, ya bums!”
Oh yeah? Well how come Creed Sucks so bad?
And at the time of Benedict’s paper, liberation theology was definitely a pressing problem in the Church, at least for the pope and his point man (guess who) assigned to containing its influence and isolating and reducing the power of the Latin American priests who followed it. For example, the parliamentary and presidential elections in Nicaragua, which the Sandinistas won huge, took place at the end of 1984, just months before Benedict presented his paper.
J— said @ 20:21
These arguments are not new for the Church. Benedict doesn’t cite it in his paper, but Leo XIII’s encyclical Rerum Novarum addressed similar issues in 1891.
With a follow-up by Pius XI in the Quadragesimo anno (1931), commenting fairly favourably on socialism.
“the only solid reality is the word of God.”
You mean the eternal, impenetrable mystery of God’s will? Jesus Benny, you got me there. Let me know the next time the big guy speaks up and makes some declaration, because His “meaning” is all over the motherfucking map, dude.
I don’t really care, but is GP a Catholic? Because this: Here is the full text of Pope (then Cardinal) Benedict’s essay on a free market economy and ethics from 1985. Although, it is not so clear that this was an actual “prediction,” this section of the essay sticks out on the dependence of a free market economy and a definitive ethical system. Speaks to no.
No Catholic — not even a conservative Pope — thinks the “free market” is an unalloyed good. He specifically talks about “the common good”, a tenant that has nothing at all to do with free market capitalism, but might be okay in a regulatory state. Catholicism has often stood apposite capital, and yes, they are the biggest hypocrites in the world, but to think that they are Randians at heart or something is bizarre.
“opposite” capital. Thanks.
Oh yeah? Well how come Creed Sucks so bad?
‘Cause A = A. Duh.
I don’t like it when the wafer transubstantiates into Karl Marx cuz it gets all hairy and stringy.
Uh, point of order here. The pope-y guy wrote that his perceived ethics issue “can actually cause the laws of the market to collapse.” The LAWS of the market didn’t collapse; the MARKETS collapsed. And that pointy hat you wear makes you look stupid too.
The laws of the market actually worked, if only belatedly: hey look, this shit we thought was worth a fortune is actually shit afterall! Markets “adjust” based on the ever changing perception of value, and suddenly the banking emporers had no clothes.
If Wall Street is purposely killing the market to stop restoration of the old tax rates, then why did the majority of contributions from Wall Street go to Obama? Don’t worry hate radio, I’ll wait while you adjust your rationalizations.
I like the implicit assumption that actual Marxists rarely predicted a general crisis of capitalism, given that publications and writers who self-identified as Marxist tended to — in my experience — always be predicting the imminent general crisis of capitalism.
Turkeys beware, the Palinator cometh…
J—, darn them priests and nuns who take that helping the poor stuff seriously!
/Rome.
~
Shouldn’t the wingnuts be worried that the man who isn’t president yet has a seemingly infinite more ability to influence the markets than the guy they put in office… while he’s still in office?
On life under bourgeois dominance: “All that is solid melts into air.”
–Marx and Engels, _Communist Manifesto_
Here’s some interesting reading on current events, re Citegroup on the verge of bankruptcy or firesale today.
Robert Rubin: What Meltdown; CNN Money; Jan. 31, 2008
http://tinyurl.com/6ara42
Where Was The Wise Man?; NYT; April 27, 2008
http://tinyurl.com/4p7v58
At the same time, Mr. Rubin pushed developing countries to open their markets to foreign competition while privatizing state-dominated economies. This approach eventually became known as the Washington consensus and gained deep traction in Latin America, East Asia and Eastern Europe, regions where Citigroup later aggressively pursued new business.
Oh good lord.
Markets CYCLE, Gateway Pun-dick! Good grief, the Pope’s paper is a little like saying “A rainstorm is imminent, sometime in the next 25 years, in a place where there are clouds and moisture prevalent! Beware! BEWARE!”
How do these guys Velcro their sneakers in the morning??????
I could have just went into any regular bookstore and bought Das Kapital. But I wanted to wait until my next trip to the tailor, because it’s located next to a Catholic bookstore. Six years and three months to the day when I first thought of this plan, I had my chance (I had some pants that needed cuffing). Storming into the bookstore, I screamed at the fiftysomething clerk “Do you have Das Kapital?!“. She was so peeved — ready to strangle me with her eyeglasses chain if I got too close — as she asked me who the author was. I said “Karl Marx, friend of the Holy Father.” After what seemed like minutes of her looking on the store computer, she quietly (but with barely-concealed anger) shot back with “Here’s a Carl Marks, author of 365 Days of Saints; is that the same person?” Sad to say, the conversation continued in this vein until she wore me down with her inane questions. I gave up my ruse, bought a Holy See wall calendar and left. Still, I consider it a victory.
Benedict doesn’t cite it in his paper, but Leo XIII’s encyclical Rerum Novarum addressed similar issues in 1891.
BAH!
Newbies ripping off the OGs!
Innocent II in 1307 disbanded the Knights Templar for just this reason!
Gerald Curl said,
November 21, 2008 at 21:16
Thread-winner, for its creative use of earlier thread material.
Pope Benedict in an Oct. 7 speech reflected on
crashing marketsbankrupted parishes and concluded that “money vanishes, it is nothing”The memory of fondling little boys- now *that* lasts forever.
Jesuit papists are responsible for the chem-trails that brought about a decline in Mr. President Bush’s pole numbers, so I wouldn’t view the pope as credible. Plus, the drop in the stock market was due to the Obama team’s plans for state sponsored recreational abortions, which does nothing to get Big Government off of the backs of The Heartland.
Catholicism has often stood apposite capital, and yes, they are the biggest hypocrites in the world, but to think that they are Randians at heart or something is bizarre.
Bizarre is an understatement. I can’t think of any ideology more antithetical to Catholicism than Objectivism.
Jesuit papists are responsible for the chem-trails that brought about a decline in Mr. President Bush’s pole
Fixed.
Plus, the drop in the stock market was due to the Obama team’s plans for state sponsored recreational abortions
Covered by ESPN, no doubt.
Catholicism has often stood apposite capital, and yes, they are the biggest hypocrites in the world, but to think that they are Randians at heart or something is bizarre
Agreed. Imagine John Galt painting the Sistine ceiling…
Reading Ayn Rand is like listening to someone scratch a blackboard while simultaneously watching paint dry.
Reading Ayn Rand is like reading a thousand page Christmas wish list written by the most spoiled child in the world.
Reading Atlas Shrugged is like being beaten over the head with a copy of Atlas Shrugged.
Sort of on topic, liberal Catholic and all-around good guy writer and priest Fr Andrew Greeley is still in critical condition about two weeks after he fractured his skull getting out of a taxi cab on his way to catch the L. I hope he recovers; I view him as sort of the anti-Bill Donohue. At any rate, a priest who as often as not refers to god as “She” is okay in my book. Be a shame to lose him.
andrew greeley
At least he got to see Obama elected before the accident. He very much feared Obama would lose due to racism.
Listening to some numbskull rhapsodize about Ayn Rand is like having boiling oil poured into your ears.
I swear I didn’t see the Greeley skull post until after my post posted.
Maybe this blog is haunted or something.
Or just a Star Trek episode being played on a teevee in an parallel universe.
Reading Atlas Shrugged is like being beaten over the head with a copy of Atlas Shrugged.
Huh? I thought it was called Atlas Shagged.
Anyway, I should go all John Galt on you dummycracks and stop harvesting dental floss…let’s se how well you like Marxism when you’ve got mulberry seeds stuck in your teeth and no way to get them out. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
It’s all part of Teh Plan, YCPLOAR. I hear twilight zone music playing in the distance.
you’ve got mulberry seeds stuck in your teeth and no way to get them out
That’s what matchbooks are for, bucko.
And they’re FREE. Viva la revolucion!
Pope Benedict…concluded that “money vanishes, it is nothing” and warned that “the only solid reality is the word of God.”
“What? My credit card was rejected? Well, God says you should accept it.”
“What? My credit card was rejected? Well, God says you should accept it.”
Also known as the “Adam Smith” ploy.
Seriously, who goes to the Italian Daddy for economic theories or advice? I mean, c’mon. God don’t know shit about about money. Jeebus, after all, told people to give their money to Caesar! What a putz.
So, il papa might be the go-to guy for fashion tips (oooh those ruby red guccis!) but money, no fucking way.
PS – reading about reading Ayn Rand is like hearing your mother saying “don’t poke your eye out with that stick.”
But then, ‘pretty much the entire world’ leaves out certain enclaves of fundamentalist free-market purism, of what used to be a sky-hooting, pie-eyed, right-wing cult sainted by weirdos such as Hayek, Rand, and Von Mises, but is now — after decades of argument, propaganda, argument, people talking and talking on television and radio, and hundreds of millions of dollars of generous contributions by wealthy business interests — known to many Americans, including Gateway Pundit, by the shorthand term of ‘the laws of economics.’
1) PLEASE do NOT include Rand in with Hayek and Von Misses.
Hayek and Misses has real achievements in their fields, while Rand never accomplished anything outside academia, let alone anything (like running a business) that would be judged worthwhile by her own philosophy.
Rand was a phony and a hack. Hayek and Misses were not.
2) WTF do Progressives hate Hayek so much? There is so much of his work that is both correct and co-optable by progressives.
Hayek, like Clauswitz, is one of the most misunderstood authors by both his supporters and detractors.
I find reading about Ayn Rand fascinating, as a clinical study, with lots of juicy scandals and mania.
And I am sorry to hear about Andrew Greeley. Aside from his defense of celibacy (which I understand, if not condone) he’s a great fellow and I’m sorry to hear.
This was my comment on the site with the article:
Wow! That’s amazing! Why isn’t the pope working for the national enquirer!??? He could be making predictions of the obvious like all the others. We could rate him on an alien-baby scale.
So let’s see..he predicted that in 1985 and in 1987 the market collapsed. Wow, that’s a straight FOUR alien babies right there! Letting the prediction just sit around and get dusty on the shelf means that there’s more opportunities for markets to collapse as any educated person will tell you will happen eventually. So that we’d have to reduce the rating by at least one full alien baby every seven years or so.
I’m not sure which is more astonishing – for some one to report this tripe as news or for the true believers to crawl out from under their rocks and out of their caves and nod that this somehow supports every magical claim to bullshit they make.
This would be a reason to say that Hayek is a shitty writer, if nothing else.
PS – reading about reading Ayn Rand is like hearing your mother saying “don’t poke your eye out with that stick.”
…but then you do it anyway.
Reading Ayn Rand is like eating lutefisk.
OK, that’s unfair to lutefisk.
Has anybody yet mentioned how reading Ayn Rand is like listening to Creed?
Has anybody yet mentioned how reading Ayn Rand is like
listening to Creedeating Brussell Sprouts?Eating Brussels Sprout is like sleeping with Ayn Rand.
The man at the deli refused to take payment in Jesusbucks the other day. So, I asked myself, “self, what would Jesus do”? I ended up burning down the deli.
Only non-market-employed dickwads attribute the daily action of the stock market to a news story, an election, or any other single issue hobbyhorse they are flogging, and this includes CNBC flaks and the rest of the hangers-on. The stock market is a complex structure with many operating factors, any one of which has a variable level of influence on a daily/hourly/per minute basis.
When wingers point to the stock market and blame Obama’s election for the current nastiness they are showing themselves to be the simplest kind of rube, and Wall Street looovvveeees to take the money of that kind of idiot. Any other idiot’s money will do as well of course, but the money of people with extra-calcified POV’s tastes especially sweet.
The future pope said a decline in ethics “can actually cause the laws of the market to collapse.”
Ushering in a thousand-year Reich, blah, blah, pederast blah.
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Reading Ayn Rand is like reading Liberal Fascism and Godless at the same time.
Well, maybe not that bad. I’ll have to sit down and think this over.
Also the “laws of the market” are not commands, like “don’t gamble with money you don’t have” but descriptive laws, like “shit rolls downhill”.
“The prediction that an undisciplined economy would collapse by its own rules can be found” in an article written by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger
He must have been too shrill. I can think of no other reason why his warnings would have been ignored by every invest-now growth-eternal market-boosting blowhard in the right bloggosphere.
Eating Brussels Sprout is like sleeping with Ayn Rand.
Not only have you reaffirmed my desire to never eat Brussels Sprouts, but you’ve put me off asparagus, as well.
When wingers point to the stock market and blame Obama’s election for the current nastiness they are showing themselves to be the simplest kind of rube, and Wall Street looovvveeees to take the money of that kind of idiot.
No less, it happens five weeks before the votes are cast and how many people actually follow the prognostications of that little betting site that they reference as opposed to the myriad blogs and bloggers who were standing athwart history, claiming McCain would win?
> Reading Ayn Rand is like reading Liberal Fascism and Godless at the same time.
Shorter Liberal Fascism & Godless: “A bunch of random anecdotes about isolated events and coincidences proves that Liberals are a googleplex more evil than satan himself”
Eating Ayn Rand is like…
…well, you’d have to ask Nathaniel Branden about that.
suggesting that the Pope is literally a murderous Stalinist made of Hitlers
I think he’s more of a Maoist.
LET THE DEBATE COMMENCE
What if the Pope is a murderous Trotsky made of Himmlers? Or a Goebbels made of Brezhnevs? Man, my Friday evening is shot.
suggesting that the Pope is literally a murderous Stalinist made of Hitlers
I think he’s more of a Maoist.
LET THE DEBATE COMMENCE
I’d prefer a Stalinist on Hitler.
With Mao.
What about a Francisco Franco made out of Fujimoris?
The Pope is a murderous Moloch made of Mammons. Or possibly the other way around.
MAO MAO MAO!!
How do you like it?
How do you like it?
The pope is actually a collection of Jewish midgets held together like the Thundercats.
Pol…POT!
Pol…POT!
Pol…POT!
POLPOT!!!
darn them priests and nuns who take that helping the poor stuff seriously!
I can’t find it online, but there’s great video of John Paul II’s 1983 visit to Nicaragua. The fun began as soon as he touched down at the Managua airport. Ernesto Cardenal, who was then Minister of Culture, was waiting on the tarmac to receive him, and John Paul chastised him right there, wagging his figure at him and telling to make good with the Church. Later that night or the next night, the pope gave an open air mass in Managua, I think at the baseball stadium, and when he started criticizing leftist political ideologies, the crowd objected, loudly. John Paul shouted them down. I think it’s the only time I’ve seen him raise his voice like that and openly display anger.
I’ve been caught Stalin:once when I was five.
I enjoy Stalin, it’s just as simple as that.
Well it’s just a simple fact,
when I want something, man,
I don’t wanna pay for it.
Pope Spoke About Imminent Market Collapse Back in 1985
Gee, what sort of ethical decline might he have had in mind in the “greed is good” 80’s? I can’t think…
Plus, the drop in the stock market was due to the Obama team’s plans for state sponsored recreational abortions
If that were true, wouldn’t the price for my shares in “Abortions ‘R’ Us!” be through the roof?
Eating Brussels Sprout is like sleeping with Ayn Rand
No: Brussels sprouts are far more generous lovers.
What if the Pope is a murderous Trotsky made of Himmlers?
I think I saw an entire program on QVC last night devoted to Himmler figurines…just in time for Christmas!
The pope is actually a collection of Jewish midgets held together like the Thundercats.
When they rearrange their positions within the costume, he transforms into a Panzer IV tank.
I think I saw an entire program on QVC last night devoted to Himmler figurines…just in time for Christmas!
I once saw a former star of “Hill Street Blues” build a SUV entirely out of those lil’ figurines.
It was, of course, a Veronica Hammel Hummel Hummer.
Fidel, nothing more than Fidel
Trying to forget my Fidel of love
Teardrops, rolling down on my face
Trying to forget my Fidel of love
Yes, they were both very good at justifying exploitation with mystical bullshit. Why must we respect that again?
Von Misses?
Well, Von should keep trying until Von Hits.
We can dance,
We can dance,
Everyone look at your hands,
We can dance,
We can dance,
Everybody takin the chance-anaaance….
Trotsky dance,
We’ll Trotsky dance
Yeah it’s the Trotsky dance
javafascist said:
Here’s what I find interesting. Some religious types keep making this claim even though millions of people with no religion behave ethically. They usually do so because of the example set by their parents combined with rational self-interest–everyone does better when everyone does the right thing. Accountability makes the system work, which is certainly why our Republican dominated system is leaking, smoking and parts of it are falling off.
But these religious types completely ignore the fact that religious people sometimes perform the most heinous possible acts. I mean, what is a person to think about a man who sexually molests children by the dozens while he has publicly dedicated his life to doing good in the name of the invisible sky fairy? His religious beliefs are obviously walled off from his decision-making processes. This seems to be a very common condition, which is why you find self-proclaimed Christians voting against health care for poor children.
The best you can say for religion is that religious belief often has nothing to do with a person’s behavior. It’s like any manmade item. You can use it to help build a house or to beat your grandmother to death. Just like “God,” religion wants all the credit and none of the blame.
Being Deity
All of the credit and none of the blame,
If something gets fucked up, no need to explain,
I’d take the position, terms being the same.
Applause for the cure of the halt and the lame,
Devout resignation when prayers are in vain-
All of the credit and none of the blame.
Disaster survivors give praise to His name;
Those grieving the dead swell the fulsome refrain.
I’d take the position, terms being the same.
Hurt makes humans better, pure souls are the aim.
They don’t ask the purpose of animal pain-
All of the credit and none of the blame.
Rainbows and butterflies earn Him acclaim.
There’s silence on roaches: the habit’s ingrained.
I’d take the position, terms being the same.
Liability zero. He can’t lose the game-
Nothing to risk, adoration to gain.
All of the credit and none of the blame-
I’d take the position, terms being the same.
All dances I do are the Trotsky dance.
It was, of course, a Veronica Hammel Hummel Hummer.
A raven haired hooker offered me one, once.
All dances I do are the Trotsky dance.
Ahhhhhhhhhhh, zee Forbeeden Danse. Ze danse of ze Bolshies.
Well you’re a real tough cookie with the long history
Of breaking little hearts, like the one in me
Thats o.k., lets see how you do it
Put up your dukes, lets get down to it!
Hitler with your best shot!
Why dont you Hitler with your best shot!
Hitler with your best shot!
Fire away!
I mean, what is a person to think about a man who sexually molests children by the dozens while he has publicly dedicated his life to doing good in the name of the invisible sky fairy?
If you’re speaking strictly from a religious point of view, that is called “sin”, which no man can be free of, except of course the dude they nailed to a tree two thousand years ago for saying how it woudl be nice if we all gave a shit about each other ahead of ourselves.
Cut and past from lyrics sites really fucks up your typo ratio.
Paste. Sob.
Righteous Bubba said,
November 22, 2008 at 0:12
Cut and past from lyrics sites really fucks up your typo ratio.
Righteous Bubba said,
November 22, 2008 at 0:13
Paste. Sob.
Looks like you made up for it, tho.
Amin the phone booth it’s the one across the hall
If you don’t answer I’ll just ring it off the wall
the dude they nailed to a tree two thousand years ago for saying how it woudl be nice if we all gave a shit about each other ahead of ourselves
Sounds like oneathem trouble-making Commie subversive types t’me!
It’s like a black fly
In your Pinochet…
The forbidden dance? I thought that was the Lumumba.
So you mean to tell me that during the Reagan years, when “reaganomics” ruled America that “an undisciplined economy would collapse by its own rules”?
Why, how dare you insult St. Ronnie! And please, don’t bring up the S&L crisis, the crash of 87, or the recession his VP got us into in the early 90’s. We still haven’t figured out which democrat caused those yet. For the S&L crisis, we do know that it was for certain NOT Keating, or McCain and the other Keating 5. We’re leaning towards Hubert Humphrey or Walter Mondale. We’ve overly used the other famous democrats in our blame game and we’re running out of names.
The forbidden dance? I thought that was the Lumumba.
That’s the dance you do under a stick.
Or is that the Mugabe? I can never keep those straight.
On life under bourgeois dominance: “All that is solid melts into air.”
–Marx and Engels, _Communist Manifesto_
Rightwing response: COMMIE PINKO BASTID! TRYING TO REDISTRIBUTE MY WELTH ‘N SHIT!
Pope Benedict in an Oct. 7 speech reflected on crashing markets and concluded that “money vanishes, it is nothing”
Rightwing response: Oh well, yeah, of course.
I guess it’s all in the packaging.
Baby, you’re my Engels
Come and save me tonight
You’re my Engels
Come and make it alright
Lady Mugabe, children at your feet
Wonder how you manage to make ends meet
Who finds the money when you pay the rent
Did you think that money was heaven sent
Memories,
Like the corners of my mind
Misty Himmler-colored memories
Of the way we were
Tito, whoa oh oh oh
He’s for the money, he’s for the show
Lido’s awaiting for another go
Lido, whoa oh oh oh oh oh
He said, one more job oughta get it
One last shot ‘fore quit it
One more for the road
How’d those Lidos slip in there?
Karimov my wayward son
There’ll be peace when you are done
Lay your weary head to rest
Don’t you cry no more
I sort of want to go all “House of the Rising Saud”, but I’m not sure it ‘s quite in keeping.
Karimov got a spit-take from me.
Golf-clap.
This would be a reason to say that Hayek is a shitty writer, if nothing else. -Righteous Bubba
Maybe, but that doesn’t mean he is wrong.
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Yes, they were both very good at justifying exploitation with mystical bullshit. Why must we respect that again? -Druj
Describing Hayek as justifying exploitation is about as accurate as describing Darwin as justifying eugenics and genocide.
Do you like sounding like Ben Stein’s “Expelled”?
In the clearing stands a Hoxa,
and a fighter by his trade
And he carries the reminders of every glove
that laid him down or cut him
Maybe, but that doesn’t mean [Hayek] is wrong.
Who can tell?
I’ve Qaddafiling, a feeling deep inside
Oh yeah, Oh yeah. (that’s right.)
I’ve Qaddafiling, a feeling I can’t hide
Oh no. no. Oh no! Oh no.
Yeah! Yeah! I’ve Qaddafiling. Yeah!
Hayek and Misses has real achievements in their fields
Wait……are you sayin Miss Salma Hayek got gey married and her Mrs. and her were successful in the work they do?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Another pleasant Duvalier sunday
Charcoal burning everywhere
Rows of houses that are all the same
And no one seems to care
But behind the Chalet
My holiday’s complete
And I feel like William Tell
Maid Marian on her tiptoed feet
Pulling Mussolinis from a shell
Mmm, gosharoonies! Chick-Comics-vintage anti-Catholicism & rabid anticommunism – two great hates that hate great together!
It’s probably gauche to point out that the idea of deregulated markets devising their own collapse probably wasn’t ever all that far-out, even contemporaneous with or prior to Das Kapital – which is a swell reason for me to point that out.
Vive l’gauchoisie libre!
Yes, it’s twoo, it’s so vewwy vewwy twoo: that cunning Yankee Satan Obama ruined the market – before he even entered the Senate – by using his Hypnobama-satellite-mindrays to make the SEC neuter itself while ALL of the relevant enforcement & judicial agencies (the ones that should’ve been stepping up their game to fill in the resulting toxic crater in executive-crime-prevention) dropped trou & lubed up for the baksheesh-enriched wonders of BushCo-ExtraLite’s “My Little Junta-Pony” policies, time after time after sloppy ugly time, right before Obama’s eeire powers made the GOP use a “Last Loser Standing” tactic to select the one candidate the majority of their own supporters liked the least – who then was so Caligari-whipped by his opponent that he “chose” a running-mate with the vocal appeal of a defective blender & the intellectual rigor of a divot … & even more important, can Obama recall whether or not he was anywhere near Dallas at this time in 1963?!?!?
( dunt-dunt-dunt … dunt dunt DUUUUUUUUUUN )
An article in this month’s Harper’s pretty much lays the whole thing out
it’s on line if you’re a subscriber, but not if you’re not, which I suppose makes some sense…go buy the magazine…”Utopia Falls” is the article title…MUST READ!
“I think it was Marx who said Right wing radio is the opiate of the stupid.”
You misremember. He said that it’s the phencyclidine-cocaine mix of the stupid.
“laws of the market”
This could just be a bad translation. He probably meant “the usual behaviors”.
“descriptive laws, like “shit rolls downhill”.”
Though that would be a poor quality descriptive law. Much shit is immovable, unrollable or otherwise immobile.
I love this stuff. only the clinically insane and true believers need apply. thankfully I’m only insane. the current incarnation of the pope lets his brown shirt show all too easily. one wonders if he’s just flashing us. the united states was founded as a secular society, those laws are really laws, religion doesn’t really come into it, though some of religion is good enough to agree.
incidentally, reading the myriad reply’s here makes me very happy to be awake. such a wonderful melange of consciousness.
makes me proud to be a semi evolved simian.
kudos to all!
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