Point, Counterpoint
At National Review, a Threat to Its Reputation for Erudition
- Due to groupthink, blind partisanism, and a capitulation to a coarseness of discourse that has been brought by the Internet, the National Review may have lost its reputation as the cradle for conservative intellectuals and the home for the erudite and well-mannered debate that was prized by its founder, the late William F. Buckley Jr.
- Har-har and farty-fart-fart. This piece was better than what I expect from the liberal New York Slimes — it was only wrong and laughable. Whether Arango is uninformed and lied, or whether his ignorant, dishonest sources were lying to him, I have no time to consider, for I am busy doing something far more important. [toilet flushes] I shall say, however, that it is demonstrably false that we
have lost our reputation as the, uh, unanimously supported George W. Bush on literally every single, solitary particular, no backs, infinity — which I believe only strengthens my point. Fart-fartiddy-fart-fart, fart-fart. P.S.: PALIN 2012!!1!one!! P.P.S.: Heh heh Arango, hope you’re not an illegal immigrant. I say good day, sir! [toilet flushes]
‘Shorter’ concept created by Daniel Davies and perfected by Elton Beard. We are aware of all Internet traditions.™
Bonus (verbatim) Mark “Erudition” Levin:
I have now read the New York Times piece re: National Review (I can’t tell if it’s about the magazine or the website, but no matter). Frankly, it’s silly. With all due respect to David Frum and Kathleen Parker, their disgruntlement does not reflect the nature of either the magazine or the website. They were (are) provocative in what they wrote, they knew it, yet feign discomfort with the reaction and now wear the face of victimization. I find it all annoying and distracting. (You want to see hate mail? Try being a talk show host for about five minutes. You deal with it.) NR the website is a forum for input and debate, but for the occasional official editorial. Given the intelligent people around here, the debates will often be intense — just as they were from the day William Buckley founded NR magazine and thereafter. And, of course, throughout it all, there were those who took their pens and paper and went elsewhere. It happens — even at the New York Times.
A suggestion to Mr. Levin in regard to material published in the National Review, whether print or online: With style in mind, begin each paragraph with the phrase, “You know what really grinds my gears?” End each paragraph with the phrase, “And that’s how I see it!”
Shorter Mark Steyn to the NYT:
[fixed the second pic]
That second pic is great.
Unfortunately, I didn’t have a partner. I got gonorrhea from a tractor.
-Mark Levin
They were (are) provocative in what they wrote, they knew it, yet feign discomfort with the reaction and now wear the face of victimization.
c.f. “lack of self awareness”
That second pic is great.
Either someone’s using the wrong soap, or has been drinking a wee dram too much.
I know which I’m figuring on.
Well, fuck! I never thought there was erudition at the National Review.
(Oops. Now I’ll never serve in the Obama White House.)
I have to say Doughie looks fabulous in that pic.
Goldberg was pleasantly surprised that the NYT piece was only the equivalent of Italian Fascism, instead of being the equivalent of Nazi Germany as he expected.
You bastards. G. String Gordon Liddy in a banana hammock, the misshapen half nude squarsh patch thing, and now you’ve put the eye candy next to the mold covered Hostess Snowball.
You utter, utter, bastards.
In a span of 252 days, the National Review lost two Buckleys — one to death, another to resignation — and an election.
Now that’s what you’d call a stretch.
“You know what really frosts my cheeseburger ?”
I like how Goldberg can’t help but fling poo…oh WAIT HE SAID IT WOULDN’T BE FAIR! Way to pull one out of the fire there!
Bwahahahahahahaha!
WIlliam F. Buckley is spinning in his grave and negotiating a work release from Hell to come back and rip the hearts from these turds floating in his punch bowl.
Bwahahahahahahaha!
Doughy’s face: Photo-shopped? If so, fantastic job. If not — oh dear.
And his hand looks like something that startles the crap out of you when you pick up its shell on the beach.
That shorter is a total misrepresentation. Goldberg didn’t make a single fart sound in his reply that I could hear.
You guys are so biased.
Either someone’s using the wrong soap, or has been drinking a wee dram too much.
I know which I’m figuring on.
P1) Jonah Goldberg either uses the wrong soap or drinks a wee dram too much.
P2) Jonah Goldberg does not use soap.
C/ Jonah Goldberg drinks a wee dram too much.
QED.
Goldberg didn’t make a single fart sound in his reply that I could hear.
They say the silent ones are the killers.
That second pic is great.
Behold the face of victimisation.
Goldberg didn’t make a single fart sound in his reply that I could hear.
SBD, all the way.
With style in mind, begin each paragraph with the phrase, “You know what really grinds my gears?” End each paragraph with the phrase, “And that’s how I see it!”
Ed Anger, you are missed.
Throw your set in the air, Jonah, and wave it around like you just don’t care.
The second image would not go amiss in a public-health instructional movie about the potential hazards of crêpe flambée.
Please come back, Preview. This time it will be different. We’ll try to make it work.
Throw your set in the air, Jonah, and wave it around like you just don’t care.
Walker side, represent!
Oh, Little Preview, please stay safe. And wherever you are and whatever you plan to do, please, please keep clear of the Macy’s Parade.
As funny as it is to make fun of fat fascists like Jonah, I’d like to add a word of caution to this thread. Everyone knows that fat people are evil, homicidal maniacs just waiting for a chance to sit on your face and fart.
Fat people can’t control their bowels, and therefore like to use them as a deadly weapon. So I’d be extra cautious about making fun of teh pantload. If he sits on your face and farts, its all over.
If he farted in a room full of people, everyone would be vaporized.
Jonah: Opposed to stringent regulations on greenhouse gas emissions because he’s personally responsible for about 40% of the total.
Tim Arango, the anti-Jonah. My, that man is fine!
Doughy, on the other hand, needs a sammich.
/looksism.
ftfy
Has it really been two years since Preview went walkabout?
Ooh, baby baby, it’s a wild world…
Should we change his name to “Blotchy Pantsload”? I also like the Dracula hand on the lapel, as pioneered by Bela Lugosi.
I know I put it in Teh Most Annoying Thread Evar, below, but as long as someone is bringing up Pixar…
If Jonah were alive during World War ll, this country could have saved alot of money. Instead of developing the atomic bomb to defeat the Japanese, we could have just parachuted Jonah in the middle of Tokyo, where he’d let one rip, effectively ending the war.
Emperor Hirohito would have been terrified of that doughy whale like creature with the atomic sphincter.
…you shouldn’t be pretending to be an expert on National Review in the pages of the New York Times.
I’d say Sadly, No! has a panel of experts.
~
Those two pictures. Wow. That is so totally not a fair fight.
And preview was here until the whole site went all befock a few days ago and my nym disappeared and I couldn’t comment because I couldn’t remember who I was, but enough about me.
‘Scuse me.
The “wrong soap”
Is that one of those damn seinfeld references?
mikey
I thought I saw Preview walking into a house of ill repute with Blogger on one arm and Blogspot on the other. She said to tell WordPress not to wait up.
Aaaaand, if anyone still has any room left in their outrage shed, news of the bailout should fill in the corners.
FFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUuuuuuuuu
drinking a wee dram too much.
Mickey Kaus, on the other hand…
Shorter Jonah: Eating healthy is for losers.
It’s not as if WordPress cares. As long as there’s alcohol in the house, WP is staying home.
Chief Editor Korir knows Preview’s current whereabouts. He has the tape.
*-sniff-*
Bah. First time commenting in forever, and WP eats my post. Frack.
Preview saw something nasty in the woodshed.
Judging from that picture, I’d bet Jonah was saying to himself, I bet you can’t tell where I hid all the cheetos. Hint: There the cause of the smell coming from the National Review bathroom.
justme, I’ve been trying hard not to think about Teh Great
SwindleBailout. It looks as though the whole thing was just a last minute opportunity for looting.It’s not as if WordPress cares. As long as there’s alcohol in the house, WP is staying home.
I believe this is central to Preview’s point.
Wow, was I the last poster on the old server, and the first on the new server?
Cuz that would be trippy.
Emergency! Emergency! Everybody to get from street!
Yow, so Hillary is sec.state. Well, good. I think. That was probably the offer to get her off of being veep.
Yow, so Hillary is sec.state.
Really? Sez who?
hello! is this thing on now?
You guys are really having the ol’ technical difficulties, ain’t ya?
Shh! MzNicky, they’re hoping troofie won’t be able to find it again.
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Gavin likes to do shocking pictorial contrasts.
I really like german porn.
Is this german porn?
mikey
DoughBob has kids, folks. Now imagine the conception.
You’re welcome.
I just saw an NYSE commercial. What the hell is that about? Did they go out and buy a PR firm to try and convince people to buy stocks?
Did Hank Paulson maybe get desperate and steer some money into that?
Can I buy twenty shares of the commercial?
mikey
And when Zombie Buckley is through with them, he hands their twitching bodies over to Zombie Barry Goldwater – you can just imagine what he’s got planned for them.
MzNicky
Officials told the Huffington Post and other outlets last week that Obama had (informally) offered Clinton the post during their meeting in Chicago.
It seems very close to being a done deal. I think Hillary would make a good sec State. Even better would be to nominate Bill for the SCOTUS.
Ya gotta throw in the occasional “Yeah, I said it!” for that intellectual touch.
Can I buy twenty shares of the commercial?
Can I buy twenty shares of kicking the vacationing Wall Street execs – the ones who are gobbling up the bailout money for their bonuses – in hte junk?
Might as well throw in the pic of Levin’s head knocking the pins over.
The Guardian says Sen. Clinton will accept the position.
I don’t know that I’d want Bill as the next SC pick. I want younger blood, for one. But to see the collective pants-pooping the nomination would cause would be glorious.
The “wrong soap”
Is that one of those damn seinfeld references?
No, but I’d like to think it could be.
Of course, now that I think about it, Joe Bob Doughpants is so much a human equivalent of eczema to begin with, anyway.
Emergency! Emergency! Everybody to get from street!
KGB burn down!
Can I buy twenty shares of the commercial?
I’ll take fifteen of the Johnny Rotten butter…
Can I buy twenty shares of kicking the vacationing Wall Street execs – the ones who are gobbling up the bailout money for their bonuses – in hte junk?
Stand in line and wait your turn, bucko.
There’s junk enough for all.
Stand in line and wait your turn, bucko.
Oh, man!
So I got swindled when I bought those junk bonds?
Wow! In that pic, Jonah is even more adorable than Kate O’Beirne in a two-piece.
Justme – the howls from the right were what I had in mind. Such sweet music, better than punk even.
Is that what junk bonds are?
noen,
I don’t know, the Bad Brains put on one hell of a show.
But yeah.
In that pic, Jonah is even more adorable than Kate O’Beirne in a two-piece.
Yeah, but so is this.
Sssh!
You’ll wake the fool.
So the New York Times blames the internet for NR’s stupidity? Please. The only think that give NR a reputation for erudition was the snotty upper class accent of its Jew-hating, racist pig of a founder.
“thing”
I pity da fool!
But..but…a dirty hippy said fuck on the internet once and the Atlantic says blogs are going to kill writing.
[fixed the second pic]
If only it were possible to fix Jonah Goldberg.
Yow, so Hillary is sec.state.
Really? Sez who?
Majikthise has an entry on why this is a bad idea.
http://majikthise.typepad.com/majikthise_/2008/11/vetting-mrs-cli.html
Is Jonah throwing a gang sign there, or is it more of a “Reginald, my snuff-box please”?
Lesley – interesting. I wonder if that vetting process might put Bill & Hillary off the idea somewhat.
From the article excerpted at the post you linked:
Clinton has also accepted fees for speaking in China and Saudi Arabia, countries that have blemished human rights records.
Has he accepted fees for speaking in the U.S.? That could be a deal breaker for the same reason.
come back and rip the hearts from these turds floating in his punch bowl.
Future Mythbusters episode: Is it true that turds go around the punchbowl clockwise in the Northern hemisphere, and counter-clockwise in the Southern hemisphere?
The Atlantic says blogs will kill writing because the dumbfucks hired Megan McArdle, girl reporter, to stink up the joint.
BTW, doesn’t Jonah look so much like Newman in that picture?
“Hello, Jonah!”
Is Jonah throwing a gang sign there
Yeah, he’s signifying for all his peeps in the Kinky Korner Kraptaculars.
BTW, doesn’t Jonah look so much like Newman in that picture?
“Hello, Jonah!”
The Tina Fey glasses aren’t working for him.
Close scrutiny of the board behind him proves it to be a drinks menu: Münchner, Pilsner, Würzburger or Schnapps.
I am not going to throw any stones.
The Tina Fey glasses aren’t working for him.
He puts on a red dress and I so fucking swear I’m renouncing my membership in the human species and moving to Saturn to breathe frozen methane.
He puts on a red dress and I so fucking swear I’m renouncing my membership in the human species and moving to Saturn to breathe frozen methane.
Fuck that. I’m shipping him off to Saturn’s remotest moon.
DrDick demonstrates a remarkable ability to think clearly in the face of a cross-dressing Jonah.
rotten mcdonald –
Anyone who has faced down a classroom full of freshman stoners at 8 am can face anything.
his cheeks might be even smoother than the frozen surface of encladeus.
Even better would be to nominate Bill for the SCOTUS.
I don’t know if Hillary is the best choice for SOS, or if Bill is the best choice for SCOTUS. And I find that I don’t care. I want to see both happen, just for the anguish it would cause people that we all want to see suffer anguish. Yes, that’s enough for me anymore.
Umm….Wait…..So, I’m in Germany now? Frikkin’ Gemermans!!
Clenis for scrotus!!
I’ve really had enough of the Clintons, but does anyone listen to me? NO.
Pardon my hormones, but I so concur.
Why do all rightard guys look like something that came out the ass of an elephant?
PS: Buckley wasn’t erudite, he was just polysyllabic.
Jah, RIM.
Große Mühe.
‘Erudite’ is really a mineral — a variety of ultramafic rock, related to serpentinite, usually found in Proterozoic diatremes. Not many people know that.
The truth is that I really like the word ‘ultramafic’.
Enceladus. My bad.
The enceladus, of course, was a dish often served in Classical Rome, consisting of goose or pork wrapped in a tortillus and covered with garum.
Arango was much too kind – Teh Korner has wiped its crack on Buckley’s legacy & that’s why his kid headed for the hills; even a hardcore conservative like Spawn Of Buckley couldn’t stomach the spectacle of an onanistic cult of personality forming around a hateful cipher like Palin. Naturally the current NR Posse learns nothing from this – thinking is for Muslim-loving gay abortionists, after all.
That picture of Jonah is just plain scary – it’s sort of hard to even tell whether he has eyes or not. Eep!
Mein Gott in Himmel! … Is he really that ugly? Wow. Someone hit him with an ugly stick. And a lot of times, too. Shit. Shouldn’t we take up a collection? I mean, that is powerful ugly. That is Lucianne Goldberg/Linda Tripp/John Goodman as a woman ugly. That is Freddy Krueger would go blind ugly. That is African orphan with degenerative facial disease on a billboard ugly. Wow. I’m really blown away. That explains A LOT.
Shorter Jonah: “Oh thtop. Don be thilly!”
What Towergej Fufufkucooh the Restaurateur said. I’m over the Clintons my own self. They’re both self-centered and untrustworthy, and Obama owes neither of them a thing. He didn’t need them to win the presidency and he doesn’t need either of them now. Too much baggage; do not need. And despite what The Guardian and others report, the NYT sez the vetting is still underway. They’re each a bit toxic in their own special way, and I hope he sidesteps them.
Clenis for scrotus!!
If I were the type who declares thread-winners, which I’m not, I’d declare this one a winner.
Why do all rightard guys look like something that came out the ass of an elephant?
That one is also a winner. See? This is why I don’t participate in the thread-winner awards. Too many good ones from which to choose. Usually.
I’m having a grand time this morning sitting down here at the end of this thread yammering on to myself. I’m almost afraid to hit the back button because more times than not lately doing so jettisons Sadly, No! out of the blogosphere for anywhere from three minutes to half a day. It’s stressing me out. God do I need a life.
BURNED!!!!!!!!
Also, nobody cares.
Here’s a funny story for you:
That really wasn’t that funny a story. It’s more like one of those stories Mike Adams* writes about, the ones where he almost tells off the uppity feminist/liberal/atheist/minority/homosexual what is all up in his area by daring to exist. A funny story would’ve been if the professor had then said “Well, I’ll buy a sixpack for them that help me” whereupon he pointed at you and said “Except for you. You’re an asshole.” Well, at least your buddies would’ve found it funny.
* Or maybe Doug Giles. One of those closted tough-guy Christian types World O’ Crap mocks so well.
The natives at National Review await the return of Frum.
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Bonus (verbatim) Mark “Erudition” Levin:
To periphrase one of the most famous reviews in history as my reaction to Levin’s piece:
“I am sitting in the smallest room in my house. I have your review of the article in front of me. Soon, it will be behind me.”
A year after my graduation, I was back on campus tossing a football around with some buddies that hadn’t graduated yet. Some jackass professor called over to us to help him move some furniture. His preemptory attitude made it clear he was playing to his reputation as a swaggering bully. I truly enjoyed telling him that we had no intention of helping him, and that there was no possible retaliation in the classroom.
Clearly, this entire story was fabricated since the only relation The Truth has to his namesake is his copyright infringement of someone else’s story.
So the New York Times blames the internet for NR’s stupidity?
I’m going to nuance the Times’ position a little.
I don’t think the Internet is responsible for NR’s stupidity. You can’t practice to be that dumb.
What is DOES do is provide a real time echo chamber that allows the stupidity to gather momentum and then volume and makes what is just low-normal seem cretinous.
I was not aware that Lucienne bore a love-child from an affair with a lobster.
goose or pork wrapped in a tortillus and covered with garum
Note also that garum is pretty much ketchup, except if you made it with fish instead of tomatoes. And saltier.
My shift to vegetarianism is now complete.
It was the Jonah/lobster comment that did it, not the garum one.
I don’t understand the football-tossing story. The other guys hadn’t graduated yet, so retribution toward THEM in the classroom still WAS a possibility, right? In which case, the teller of this dubious tale is not only a liar but also the kind of jackass who would leave his “buddies” open to a danger from which he himself is exempt. Or perhaps I misunderstand the whole thing, in which case, BFD.
It will make you sleep with the fishes, like, twenty times.
And then you will spawn Jonah. And die a little inside.
For me, the most startling part of the Times article was that the only time NR made a profit was in 1994. I know the publishing biz is tough (I’m in it myself), but you have to wonder, who’s been picking up the bills?
This is why I don’t participate in the thread-winner awards. Too many good ones from which to choose.
Tigrismus can win any thread by quoting from Cold Comfort Farm. It is an internet tradition, or an old charter, or something.
A word to Hilzoy: as anyone who has tried to read his book will testify, Jonah isn’t that bright, alas. He’s aware of the broad contours of conservative thought but he has learned them by rote. And so any specific attempt to apply them specifically to a changing world can befuddle him into incoherence, or, more often, snarky recitation of bromides. Think Palin with a college degree that isn’t about being a sportscaster. Which makes him qualified for the Supreme Court in the current GOP, but not exactly a sparring partner to equal Hilzoy.
The other guys hadn’t graduated yet, so retribution toward THEM in the classroom still WAS a possibility, right? In which case, the teller of this dubious tale is not only a liar but also the kind of jackass who would leave his “buddies” open to a danger from which he himself is exempt.
Hey, he’s conservative MzN, so he don’t give a shit.
He’s aware of the broad contours of conservative thought but he has learned them by rote.
Much like a turd knows the oval contours of the bowl it is in as it swirls around just before it slides down the drain.
ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© said, November 18, 2008 at 4:20
Emergency! Emergency! Everybody to get from street!
Yay! One of my favorite movies of all time. Every year (back in the day, BC — before cable) my whole family, all us kids and my parents, would look forward to this coming on. And this, of course, was one of the quotes we’d yell Rocky-style at the TeeVee.