Shorter John McCain: “I was for the government before I was against it before I was for it.”

Wait — John McCain served in Vietnam? I didn’t know that a Vietnam Veteran had ever run for President. It must be a huge, historic first.

can anyone think of another difference between FDR and war and McCain and war?

McCain was in fifth grade when FDR won WWII?

But this is central to my point.

Reactionary conservatives only think of government as a universal negative when it’s concerned with something other than bombing brown people or the implementation of an authoritarian police state. Then the gubmint is goddamn fucking infallible.

If he didn’t want to demoralize the troops, why did he make anti-American propoganda videos? It isn’t like he was being tortured, just given a little enhanced interrogation. I certainly don’t see any organ failure!

I notice that McCain’s bio mentions his years of serving in Congress and Senate (3 and 21 respectively) and yet…the ONLY legislation I know he’s connected to is the McCain-Feingold act.

Which (AFAIK) most all conservatives LOATHE.

So, I have to ask – if he’s such a maverick and so vitally important to elect, why can’t he point to one SINGLE piece of legislation he got passed during those years that (allegedly) would help those people who he’s trying to persuade ?
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wait…are those crickets I hear ?

one single American citizen of voting age who just found out about John McCain’s service in Vietnam yesterday

Wait…he actually SERVED over there?

I thought he volunteered to be a POW????

Tom G.

Here’s a list.

http://mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=IssuesLegislation.Legislation

can anyone think of another difference between FDR and war and McCain and war?

FDR didn’t set up secret torture camps? FDR faced a genuine threat? We got to be the good guys during FDR’s war? We actually were greeted as liberators back then?

if he’s such a maverick and so vitally important to elect, why can’t he point to one SINGLE piece of legislation he got passed during those years that (allegedly) would help those people who he’s trying to persuade ?
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Silly rabbit. Legislators legislate. Mavericks make awesome barbecue .

See?

Obviously, Obama has had the smaller life, so far.

Yes, because what great talent it takes to finally be caught after crashing your fifth plane, be relatively well-treated as an Admiral’s son, finally come home after being swapped for other folks unlucky or incompetent enough to be captured as a prisoner of war, parley your non-achievement into a political career, callously fuck-over your first wife in order to advance said career with beer money trollop, abandon your supposed principles and be the least of all evils when nomination time comes around. That’s a big big life alright.

Jay Nordlinger, the man who puts the square in the Corner

Heh.

watched McCain’s speech last night, and unlike the rest of the country, his response was not a prolonged yawn, but an interminable series of ‘pointlets’.

As election day looms I await an interminable series of ‘puddlelets’ from the NRO.

So, I have to ask – if he’s such a maverick and so vitally important to elect, why can’t he point to one SINGLE piece of legislation he got passed during those years that (allegedly) would help those people who he’s trying to persuade ?

Crickets indeed. For the last few years, we’ve been hearing that McCain is an unreliable maverick, a traitor to the conservative cause, someone who is essentially a liberal because of McCain-Feingold, etc., etc. Now we’ve come full circle and have people *cheering* for the very “change” that they rejected a few months ago. I have next to no faith in human memory or human reason, but even I find it a bit odd.

I have next to no faith in human memory or human reason, but even I find it a bit odd.

I see the logical flaw: human. These are Republicans, after all, and therefore properly classified as reptiles. While they possess mammalian brain structures, they are never used.

Cornlinger:

17. Has there been too much focus on Bridget McCain, as some have said? Too much camera time for her? Too much of the telling of the story of her adoption? Yeah, maybe — but it’s hard to get these matters exactly right. To administer exactly the right dosage.

Translation:

The focus groups showed that the black kid plays solidly for 13.4 seconds but starts to get really weird at 16.5 seconds. So that gives you some leeway, but it’s hard to pin down exactly when Bridget McCain goes from ‘comfortably abstract good deed’ to ‘visceral fear of having to tow one of those around at the country club’.

Funny how Republicans aren’t allowed to give their addresses, without such disruptions; the Democrats sail through theirs.

Aren’t the Republicans the ones who are supposed to be better at this “security” stuff?

17. Has there been too much focus on Bridget McCain, as some have said? Too much camera time for her? Too much of the telling of the story of her adoption? Yeah, maybe — but it’s hard to get these matters exactly right. To administer exactly the right dosage.

Shorter Nordlinger: How much Negro is too much Negro?

Has there been too much focus on Bridget McCain, as some have said? Too much camera time for her? Too much of the telling of the story of her adoption? Yeah, maybe — but it’s hard to get these matters exactly right. To administer exactly the right dosage.

Ummm…. I’m curious why he is even thinking about this. Has he equally pondered the attention paid to any other politician’s kids at either convention? Is it something particular about Bridget? “Exactly the right dosage” – why isn’t he equally pondering this about Malia and Sasha, or Piper and Trig?

Is it because Bridget is (shhh….!) dark-skinned?

actor212 –

My point still stands. You can give me that list all you want. McCain never referred to it. Unless, of course, he thinks all the Republicans are SO DUMB that all he needs to do is keep talking about his war record.

ER Doc: “I need 5mg of adorable brown adopted kid, STAT!”

Nurse: “But doctor, that’s nearly ten times the normal dose of Bridgetimide. You know how badly the Senator reacts to that–it nearly killed him eight years ago! Surely we could…”

ER Doc: “We don’t have time for that, now! You know the environment has changed; adorable brown kids are everywhere, and the patient simply doesn’t have enough in his system! Push the IV, now! I said now, dammit!”

This is the same child that was slandered as a bastard lovechild by Bush’s campaign, right? Just checking.

that’s right.

And it’s a McCain character indication for me.

He wants to win so badly that he hired the guy who trashed his child in 2000. The actual guy. Not a colleague of the guy. Not just the same “company” that the guy worked for. But the actual guy who slandered and implied that his child was a bastard.

Aren’t there enough political operatives in Washington that you could hire another competent one, and not have to be in the same room as the guy who called your kid a bastard? Or make your wife, the child’s mother, shake hands with the guy who called her child a bastard?

That’s how badly he wants to win.

If he’s going to sell out his own child to win, and make his family embrace someone who trashed her, how sure are you that he’s not going to sell out the US and its citizens?

Ken Lowry –

It’s better than that…McCain’s campaign HIRED the same dude who made that smear (Tucker Eskew) this past month to help Sarah Palin.

“g” beat me to it, but point made.

Sold out country? Check.

Sold out first wife? Check.

Sold out himself in the S&L scandal? Check.

Sold out adopted daughter? Check.

Now, then. Will he sell out the American people?

I don’t know, but I say don’t give him the chance to.

Unless, of course, he thinks all the Republicans are SO DUMB that all he needs to do is keep talking about his war record.

*ahem*

*polite cough*

Shorter every Reichtard re: McCain’s speech:

If I say anything bad, the hippies win.

If I say anything bad, the hippies win.

Imagine this uttered in a small child’s hoarse, frightened whisper, and it’s perfect.

From Nordlinger:

Listen to this (and I’m most interested in the last line of this passage): “I was in solitary confinement when my captors offered to release me. I knew why. If I went home, they would use it as propaganda to demoralize my fellow prisoners. Our code said we could only go home in the order of our capture, and there were men who had been shot down before me. I thought about it, though. I wasn’t in great shape, and I missed everything about America. But I turned it down.”

I find this interesting because it is evident that Nordlinger has never spent a single day in military service: What McCain did is what is expected of every serviceperson, and that is adhere to the Code of Conduct. Not all of us are unfortunate enough to end up as prisoners of war, but we in the military are expected to behave just as McCain and all his fellow POWs did and not accept special treatment.

So if this is such a noble act as to make (in Nordlinger’s sad little mind, at least) McCain presidential material and Obama’s public service an insignificant aside, why isn’t every former POW being courted by the GOP? Oh, that’s right: Most other POWs actually have scruples.

I see black people. and brown people.

Funny how Republicans aren’t allowed to give their addresses, without such disruptions; the Democrats sail through theirs.

Funny how the party that’s always pushing itself as better on security can’t even keep these disruptions out of their much smaller event than the stadium-sized venue the other party’s main candidate played.

I love the whiny, petulant “allowed,” too. Who IS this clown?

Funny how the party that’s always pushing itself as better on security can’t even keep these disruptions out of their much smaller event than the stadium-sized venue the other party’s main candidate played.

I’m not so sure “we are better at suppressing dissent” (and there were protesters in Denver) is such a winner.

Rove: “Look, I totally fucked you. I trashed your child. I trashed your service. I basically slapped your loser face on national TV. And the core of the Party loved it and cheered it.”
McCain: “Yep”.
Rove: “But it was nothing personal, it was just Politics. How about I come work for you and help you win? No hard feelings?”.
McCain: “Naw. Freshen your drink?”.

How Principled. How Mavericky. Fucking whore makes actual whores look like The Knights Templar in the Honor and Dignitude departments.

Nordlingler must really get off on reading the phone book.

Funny how Republicans aren’t allowed to give their addresses, without such disruptions; the Democrats sail through theirs.

It’s a lot harder to hear a protester in a cheering crowd of 85,000 than in a funeral crowd of 4,000. Seriously it sounds like there were about 300 people clapping in there.

I’m not so sure “we are better at suppressing dissent” (and there were protesters in Denver) is such a winner.

I don’t think it’s a “winner”, I just think it’s funny that Jay is whining about it.

my favorite part was McCain plea to get involved in our country, which basically amounted to becoming a community organizers. Classic.

Well, my favorite part after the background screen debacle.

Seriously, why is nobody in the MSM calling “Bullshit!” on this “maverick” crap?

Aside from the fact that its actual, original meaning (motherless calf) makes no sense in this context, which part of MsSame’s career or life makes him a maverick, even in the current usage? Are we expected to believe that the military (and his father, and his grandfather) inculcated in him the philosophy that one is supposed to “not go along” (as def. #2 puts it)? Is THAT what the military teaches? I always thought that it was the exact opposite.

Maybe that’s why he graduated 5th from the bottom of his class? He didn’t know how to take orders?

Another fave was when McCain begged people to become teachers after bragging about how was going to fire a bunch of teachers. Way to sell us on that career choice, dipshit.

But the bestest of all was when he said, “Teach an illiterate adult how to read!” … and MSNBC cut to a crowd shot of a guy holding up a sign that said ‘The Mavrick” … !!!!!1!

I shit you not.

Funny how Republicans aren’t allowed to give their addresses

The lying liberal media has not reported even ONE WORD about how McCain was forced to stop and leave the stage without finishing his speech. APPALLING.

The gratitude that McCain expressed for Bush — superb. Honorable. Right.

Um, notice how he didn’t even mention the fucker’s name?

But the bestest of all was when he said, “Teach an illiterate adult how to read!” … and MSNBC cut to a crowd shot of a guy holding up a sign that said ‘The Mavrick” … !!!!!1!

Oh hooooooo! Liberal media bias!!! (Ha ha)

Funny how Republicans aren’t allowed to give their addresses

I thought sex offenders had to register their addresses?

It also might be because the RNC turned St. Paul into the end-part of Akira, with tear gas and rubber bullets and police raids and razor-wire fences and all sorts of charming stuff that means if a protester got *into* the fucking convention, fuck, let him speak.

There’s something to be said about putting all this shit into the city, and then still being accosted by people. And that something is “failure”. Or possibly “perfect microcosm for why the War on Terror hasn’t worked.”

Why is Nordlinger standing in front of a Brown University banner? Please don’t tell me he went to Brown; we’ve had enough trouble living down Chuck Colson.

it would surprise me not at all that many might be finding out for the first time about mccain’s vietnam record. all ready knowing about it presupposes that his supporters are aware that he was shot down over vietnam, that hanoi was a city involved in that war, or that that war was fought during our recent history. they might as easily be persuaded that he was held at some civil war camp, or taken prisoner by those nasty hessians.

screen grab of “mavrick” here. (tbogg)

Re: “The Mavrick”

Spelling is just another way the liberals impose their fascistic liberalism on the White Male.

He was himself and he said what he believes. And that’s probably the most you can ask for in a candidate.

Unless you’re such a queer commie baby-killing drug-fiend Satanist that you opt to have actual STANDARDS, that is. But then, that would mean you want the tear-her-wrists to win!

A friend e-mailed me, mid-speech, “Not exactly Palinesque.” Funny how that has become a recognizable adjective in a day — that she has become the standard in a day.

I don’t think that word is going to wind up meaning what he thinks it means right now. To put it mildly.

Personally, I think “Palinoid” has a MUCH more appropriate ring to it.

“I’m not running for president because I think I’m blessed with such personal greatness that history has anointed me to save our country in its hour of need.”

No reason this wee zinger can’t be doing double-duty as a shot at both Obama & Bush. I suspect Der Chimpenfuhrer was NOT feelin’ the McLove when he heard that line. They may be in cahoots up to the eyebrows, but they sure as hell do loathe one another.

Irony galore: that mutual despise has likely helped scuttle the “R” ticket in 2008, since a lot of Bushtards emulate their pseudo-cowboy hero in their lackluster attitude toward McCain, which has kept his campaign coffers hollow & his events puny … a falling out among thieves, as it were.