those girls seem to have latched on to the “pleasurable experience” aspect of feminist sexuality, without bothering to trouble themselves with the birth control part. Understood in those terms, progressive sex education is certainly as much — probably more — of a failure than abstinence education.

Jonah’s got some new competition in the upside-down inside-out and backwards logic freestyle.

I just posted this on Needlenose.com:

With all the rallying around Palin and her pregnant daughter and her family, I have this to say:

Obama was absolutely correct to say that going after a person’s family is out of bounds. But do you think for one minute that the Rightwing Outrage Machine(TM) would take the high road if this had happened to the teenage daughter of a Dem candidate, who was being supported by her family to marry? Because, of course, when any moral failing happens to a Democrat, it’s moral degeneration, never redemptive and fair game for criticism. When it happens to a Republican (and this, a central tenet of sexual abstinence, no less) it’s family values in practice and a private matter.

I don’t give a rat’s patoot about the morality of pregnancy out of wedlock, but I do give a rat’s patoot about hypocrisy.

Let’s see how long the Right’s memory will be when and if a Dem family member stumbles morally.

The Republican girls who are promiscuous are good girls because they were taught abstinance. The black girls or poor white girls who become pregnant are godless and promiscuous, however, because they were taught to enjoy sex by feminists. So there.

And it was Freud who opened the Pandora’s box of sexual enjoyment, since he replaced “naughty bits” and “close your eyes and think of England” with science.

Well, better the girls should marry at seventeen instead of going off to Collitch and gettingcrazy idears in their heads. And Levi can always get a good job out on the oil fields with his father-in-law.

BTW – did you see the link to Levi’s MySpace page?

Watertiger has it:

New York Post link

In other words, Bristol Palin = Lorelai Gilmore, so back off, monkeys?

Well, the guy is simply saying that poor and black people shouldn’t have kids. Rich white conservatives, on the other hand, should. It’s just the same old racist crap with bonus sexism.

By the way, is that really a quote from Jonah’s book? How on earth does it fit into the narrative, and which editor let a sentence like that be published? Inquiring minds want to know…

I didn’t run the Pantload quote, just Mike’s follow up to it. If you click on the Mike’s Noise post, you’ll see the quote he uses.

those girls seem to have latched on to the “pleasurable experience” aspect of feminist sexuality, without bothering to trouble themselves with the birth control part.

So, this is simply a case of a teenager having sex in the hope of becoming pregnant? Why, he makes it sound almost noble! Does he even listen to himself as he types?

He seems to be dropping the ‘morality’ clause here, in favor of more practical considerations regarding teen sexuality. Evidently, this line of thought excuses Bristol Palin’s foray into unmarried sexual relations, yet leaves the residue of ‘dirty, filthy, irresponsible sluts!’ available for use when it concerns teenagers of different, shall we say, social situations.

I don’t have a moral issue with teens engaging in sexual relationships, but if I had kids, I’d hope they’d abstain or use effective birth control methods. A teen pregancy can create enormous challenges for a young woman and her partner. That’s obvious to anyone. Kids need to learn the details and the consequences of sexual activity – that goes for all kids. Shrouding it in mystery and blind faith is dangerous, at best.

The problem with this scenario, as is generally the case and as everyone’s already mentioned, is the hyprocrisy of a “leader” espousing their values as the law of the land and determining that all women should lives their lives as proscribed by their “faith and values.” Even more mind-boggling and annoying, perhaps, is the wingnutosphere’s sudden change of heart that’s turned Bristol Palin into the second coming of Mary, and their complete lack of self-awareness when it’s politically convenient for them. And I don’t think anyone in the liberal blogosphere is pointing fingers at Bristol or her boyfriend – the problem is with her skeevy, conniving parents and their political cohorts.

Unfortunately, too many teenage mothers come from broken homes or families void of any kind of real spiritual guidance. It is always a shame to see runaway sexuality in those situations — those girls seem to have latched on to the “pleasurable experience” aspect of feminist sexuality, without bothering to trouble themselves with the birth control part. Understood in those terms, progressive sex education is certainly as much — probably more — of a failure than abstinence education.

And understood in the terms ‘while the liberal elite might insist off-hand that the refraction of light off water is responsible for the sky’s blue hue, what they refuse to tell us in the jewstream media is that water refracts light in all the colors of the rainbow‘, the sky is actually Utah red.

None of the support for Sarah Palin and her daughter has anything to do with Evangelicals suddenly “approving of” or “ignoring” the promiscuity of a seventeen year old simply because her mother is a Republican. Rather, it has everything to do with what the family has chosen to do next.

Umm… cover it up until Mom is on the ticket?

Unfortunately, too many teenage mothers come from broken homes or families void of any kind of real spiritual guidance. It is always a shame to see runaway sexuality in those situations[…]

But when the teenage mothers come from a loving, white, Christian, Republican home, then, boy howdy, we love to see some runaway teenage sexuality then!

And it was Freud who opened the Pandora’s box of sexual enjoyment, since he replaced “naughty bits” and “close your eyes and think of England” with science.

Actually, the Song of Solomon leads me to believe hot sex and sneaking in at night to have it are Biblical values, along with with watching married women bathe then having their husbands killed and father-daughters ménages à trois.

The Republican girls who are promiscuous are good girls because they were taught abstinance. The black girls or poor white girls who become pregnant are godless and promiscuous, however, because they were taught to enjoy sex by feminists. So there.

This part is going to make the hair on the back of your neck stand up – they actually believe this in exactly these terms. Bush pretending that his occasional snort of cocaine (read: administrations Johnson through Reagan) never happened is a touching and heroic example to the youth of America; Obama admitting to – and seeking atonement for – using the same drug in a moment of personal weakness is a degenerate blow against all we stand for.

The evangelical faith asserts that we are all thoroughly unworthy of salvation (in the Rapture – that’s the part they care about), and we must be really good to be raptured, so no matter what we actually do, what it comes down to is wanting to be Raptured really, really, really hard. If you don’t want to be good and pretend to be good and shout overcompensatorily at other people to be good, you rot in the ground like the Jews.

There are a few noble exceptions to this, and they are generally members of churches or traditions more generally part of the mainstream Protestant faith (who place a huge emphasis on a sort of negative feedback cycle of ‘bad luck? more Christ! good luck? more Christ!’, but rarely get quite as bad as all that). There’s a reason that mainstreaming evangelical loons wound up turning the Iraq war into a cod-pomo battle of public wills from the word go – something that only happened to Vietnam long after we had lost the shooting war.

If you really need more evidence this is how they think: think of the way they treated, and still treat, John McCain when it comes to abortion. The occasional sop to his inexplicable pro-choice admirers is a flimsy figleaf for a 0% pro-choice record, and yet he doesn’t understand how to appeal to their knee-jerk quasi-Nietzschian volitive worldview. He could have a 100% pro-choice record and as long as he stage-managed it correctly they’d accept him like a brother. (For that matter, Huckabee was less extremist about abortion than McCain, and yet he was treated as occupying a position of strength because of his relentless refusal to accept even the most trivial concession to human decency ex fide.)

Oh, yes – obligatory “you’re trying to censor him!” comment, due to quoting and linking another blogger’s words. ATTICA!

Gah.

FYWP.

Sanger believed — prophetically enough — that if women conceived of sex as first and foremost a pleasurable experience rather than a procreative act, they would embrace birth control as a necessary tool for their own personal gratification.

That’s part of Jonah’s quote (emphasis added). I really don’t like poking into the Palin family personal life. Frankly I hope this blows over soon for the soon-to-be parents sake. The cartwheels these guys turn makes my head hurt though. I’m sorry, the idea that a wedding ceremony will make the hard life of being a teenage mother (and for that matter a teenage father) remarkably improved is delusional at best. Given that the conception was likely unintentional, the explanation is that the act was for pleasure and not for procreative purposes. As others have noted, if she were a democrat, we would be subjected to numerous lectures by Dobson et al. about how sex for pleasure = sin, regardless of whether there was a shotgun wedding or not.

This world makes me sad many days.

So, this is simply a case of a teenager having sex in the hope of becoming pregnant? Why, he makes it sound almost noble! Does he even listen to himself as he types?

And yet the response to the Gloucester story was very different. How odd!

Has anybody started a pool on how long Levi sticks around after the wedding? And are the increments in years, months or weeks?

This just in: Republicans Discover the Right to Privacy.

For them, at least; for African-American teens, well that’s different.

All of this just reinforces a rhetorical point I like to revisit from time to time: Republicans are terrible lays. If my genitals get near someone who thinks they’re an otherwise useless tool for producing babies I consider myself a sort of traitor.

It is always a shame

Well, he got that part right, anyway, though the phrase should probably begin a sentence that ends “when a wingnut writes something in a blog.”

On the other hand – comedy gold.

Of course this is a boon. God, you libruls are so clueless. I don’t see how you people can spend so much time reading The Corner and still not get it. As Byron York pointed out, conservative Christians are the least judgmental people on the planet. They are pro-life because they love life. Living life. Life in all of its forms from Terri Schiavo to the newest little American in the scrotum or the womb.

It’s been said again and again at The Corner that this is a private family matter and to even discuss it is shameful and rude and after reading all of their discussions of it, I agree wholeheartedly. So, shut up already!

I would also like to point out that this has absolutely nothing to do with sex education. I hear libruls caterwauling about how this is somehow a repudiation of abstinence only education which again, just shows how elitist and out of touch y’all are. The problem isn’t abstinence only. I wanted to quote from a favorite passage in Jonah’s book, but the pages I wanted to refer to seem to be stuck together. Not to worry. Mona Charen’s all over this.

Suppose it turns out (and God willing these details will never be sought or publicized) that Bristol and Levi used a condom and it failed? Where does that leave the liberal argument?

POW – BAM – BIF! Take that libruls. If we as a country were serious about protecting our teenagers from pregnancy we’d outlaw birth control in all of it’s forms and make the introduction of such information and devices a punishable offense. Also, I agree with Mona that (God willing) we need a full scale investigation into whether or not those kids used a condom. If so, where did they get it and how did they even know what it was. Just imagine the tragic outcome if they had been well versed in how to use one.

Anyway, I suggest that you pray for discernment when you read The Corner and ask God to show you the truth as He did when he told Dobson that Sarah Palin is THE ONE. And my rapid-fire posting of rambling, incoherent diatribes is no more indicative of methamphetamine abuse than is Jay Nordlinger’s.

The kids first name is “Levi” and they won’t reveal his last name…

You know, the only people I ever knew with the name “Levi” were…. um, there are Jewish people in Alaska, aren’t there?

Well, wingnuts aren’t really prejudiced against Jews, right? They need the God’s Chosen People for their Apocalypse party. I mean look at Joe Lieberman. Hey, even some of them Negro folks are ok too, like Alan Keyes!

I dunno about that Condi Rice though…

When berating the wee ones at the Aristophanes household, we sometimes toss in ‘Jezebels’, ‘abominations’ and ‘Unclean! Unclean!’ to spice things up.

Throwing in the occasional “DIRTY! FILTHY! … DIRTY!” can really be satisfying too.

the “pleasurable experience” aspect of feminist sexuality

Christian women stab themselves with a fork while they’re doing it.

This is simply yet another example of the rugged ordinariness of the Palin family, and why they resonate so deeply with middle America.

Ahh. I see. So the whole cultural wars thingy was a sham the entire time? Turns out you didn’t really mind the evils of pre-marital relations?

IOKIYAR. Repeat ad meganauseam.

And I won’t even bother noting that “rugged ordinariness” doesn’t make you qualified for VP or anything more than “rugged ordinary” job. Like mayor of a small fishing village. Maybe she shoulda stuck to that one.

Hypocrisy, thy name is Republican.

those girls seem to have latched on to the “pleasurable experience” aspect of feminist sexuality, without bothering to trouble themselves with the birth control part.

“Those girls”? Excuse me, which ones are “those”? The unconscionable teenage succubi who seduce innocent young teenage boys and force them to have sex? The ones who don’t “trouble themselves with the birth control part” — that would be these same girls, would it, who as sole participants in a sex act are the sole responsible party for providing birth control, despite their only choices being forced to sit through “abstinence only” “sex ed” in schools; being shamed into finding contraceptives, assuming they’re available; and/or convincing the totally innocent bystander male partner that yeah, he really should use a condom? Those girls, you sanctimonious misogynist sack(s) of shit? FOAD.

I guess Bristol took that “Drill here, Drill now!” doctrine to heart.

Dammit! That was me.

[…] Original post by D. Aristophanes […]

a-HA! The Truth has been revealed!

Right now John Waters & Tina Fey are locked in a room sifting thru comedy gold for their new movie provisionaly titled “Maid Of Fail”,though “Bull Moose Loony” had a certain charm.
Julian Beck (Living Theatre/Poltergeist II) is pencilled in for McPOW but after dying 20 years ago he may be too dynamic to play Poopdeck Pappy

If you want to know what the right-wing would say “if this happened to a Democrat”, just go look up quotes about Chelsea Clinton! Only the wierd thing is, Chelsea was a sucessful and beautiful person, with lots of naturalness and charm.
But go and look at what the Repigs said about her. If you’ve got stronger kiskas than me.

BTW, from today forward til Obama is elected, Sadly, No! is the only site I will need, or will be able to stand.

… a young man who has been her high school sweetheart for over a year now …

Over a year?! Wow! In high school terms, that’s practically Paul Newman-Joanne Woodward. I mean, which high schoolers don’t get married after dating over a year?

OT, but ZOMG! Has anyone seen what Robert Green’s wife has been up to lately?

(Link safe for work, but may give small children nightmares. Really, you have to click it.)

That is just… stunning…

Wow, the internal inconsistency is staggering!

we traditionalists teach abstinence to our children primarily so that our sons and daughters won’t end up being gigolos, whores and tramps.

and in the nest breath, practically…

Rather, it has everything to do with what the family has chosen to do next.

So she’s not a tramp, not because she’s said no to her boyfriend, but because she fucked his balls off but oops! Plans to marry him now that she’s pregnant!

So question: what if she was fucking him all along and only just now got pregant? What if she was fucking him and the rest of the hockey team?

When is a tramp a tramp?

“Levi” as a first name is all the rage among misguided parents these days. I think it’s a truncated form of “Leviticus”. But I wouldn’t worry about Levi. Any guy who can knock up the Governor’s daughter while she’s home from school with mono will do alright. He’ll take care of himself, either by messing with Bristol’s head (or more typically, frightening her) so she dumps him. If they do get hitched, he’s got the rest of her life to get his back for trapping him.
I will watch his future career with interest.

Jonah’s got some new competition in the upside-down inside-out and backwards logic freestyle.

I dunno. This was off the 3 meter board. The degree of difficulty is much lower than the ten meter platform that was Jonah’s book.

And I won’t even bother noting that “rugged ordinariness” doesn’t make you qualified for VP or anything more than “rugged ordinary” job. Like mayor of a small fishing village.

Wasilla is, in fact, landlocked. Like the rest of the Matanuska-Susitna valley, it’s heavily dependent upon agriculture. This error in your post completely invalidates the rest of it, particularly this “IOKIYAR” concept (you liberals and your “acronyms”).

You’re missing the most important thing about Palin: she’s One Of Us. The fact that she’s doing what any loving, God-fearing home would do if faced by the eternal, soul-destroying shame of a teen pregnancy: an old-fashioned shotgun wedding! Except that Palin probably used her assault rifle, instead.

As one of the Michigan delegates to the RNC said on NPR yesterday, Palin’s loving family and Christian values make her seem approachable and familiar to American voters. By contrast, Barack Obama’s loving family and Christian values make him seem strange and unknown because shut up, that’s why.

Has anybody started a pool on how long Levi sticks around after the wedding? And are the increments in years, months or weeks?

Actually, I’m giving them close to eight years: just long enough to make it look like they gave it a go, but just prior to Palin announcing in 2016, win or lose this November.

By the way, anybody notice how Republican kids can do practically anything, and no one complains.

Meanwhile, Democratic kids, like Chelsea Clinton or Amy Carter or a majority of the Kennedy clan, turn into upstanding American citizens, yet people still point to them as “Hollywood liberals”?

Wasilla is, in fact, landlocked. Like the rest of the Matanuska-Susitna valley, it’s heavily dependent upon agriculture. This error in your post completely invalidates the rest of it, particularly this “IOKIYAR” concept (you liberals and your “acronyms”).

Nah, I’m gonna go with “central to my point.” That I couldn’t even get that Wasilla is all about is proof positive of its bumfuckness.

(Gooper logic is lovely stuff.)

Not to mention what this says about Mr. and Mrs. Palin’s parenting skills. Yeah, I said it. Look, you can either fill the girls up with birth control pills and turn them over to the hockey team, or you have to actually do some parenting to get them through a very challenging period. Even the best kids might have some problems with impulse control, peer pressure, romantic illusions. They need some guidance.
And my, how little Levi must have feared and respected Bristol’s father, and what a service he did him! He will make an ideal husband. No doubt, there’s a very special mother-daughter relationship here, with role modeling. Say, when was Sarah Palin’s first pregnancy in re her marriage? Oh, what mother-daughter talks they must of had!

Being ruled by white trash with money is one thing, now the Repugs want us to be ruled by white trash. The Palins had every resource Dobson says is necessary to enable your children to gaurd their chastity. What happened. Maybe they should have gone the birth-control, hockey-team route.

Wow. Employing Gooper logic also made me write like K-Lo.

aristophanes- that is kodiak gold

You’re missing the most important thing about Palin: she’s One Of Us.

Especially now that it’s politically necessary and expedient, dontchaknow. Until this news came out, she wanted the Gov’t to control all of Us‘s bodies and sexual activities. But who can blame her, really?

She’s a maverick! But also very, very ordinary. Mooseburgers, bitches!

Wow. So “rugged ordinariness” means “teenagers fucking” now?

Lingo changes so damn fast…

Chelsea Clinton or Amy Carter or a majority of the Kennedy clan, turn into upstanding American citizens, yet people still point to them as “Hollywood liberals”?

No, as I recall, they called them much worse, and predicted with complete assurance even worse fates to befall them. Like I said, you look ’em up. My stomach couldn’t stand it.

White trash that shoots Mooses. Nothing could be worse.

Let me reintroduce you to this propitious quote

He meant poopitious.

I guess Bristol took that “Drill here, Drill now!” doctrine to heart.

Dude, you win at the internets.

So there you have it. Extra-marital sex and teen pregnancy is dandy provided mom and dad are married (to each other) and you’ve got Jesus in your life.

FYWP

When is a tramp a tramp?

How about never? Is never good for you?

Only a workmanlike approach to fucking….

Really, I’d like to see the righties run with this. Tell the 50+ million American women aged15-45 that if ur enjoyin it, UR DOIN IT WRONG!!12!!!

The audacity of the right still leaves me with my jaw on my floor sometimes. Any criticism of anyone they like is referred to automatically as “______ Derangement Syndrome.” This from the same folks who, almost 8 years after he left office, still blame Clinton for damn near everything and can barely say his name without spitting. This from the same folks who set up entire foundations to dig up dirt on him and tied up the federal government for years with bogus “investigations” and impeachment proceedings.

I, The Left, am being called out by “Mike’s Noise”?! No way, man… this dude is way above my pay grade. And yours, too. I’d delete this post before this kingmaker and elite opinion-shaper gets wind of it.

Sarah Palin’s wedding was probably the result of getting pregnant as well. She had her first child in April 1989 and eloped to marry on August 29, 1988. Even if Track was born on April 30th, that’s only 32 weeks 1 day. Average first pregnancy gestation: 41 weeks 5 days.

Not that there’s anything wrong with that until you start trying to take choice away from other people and teach their kids abstinence only.

we traditionalists teach abstinence to our children primarily so that our sons and daughters won’t end up being gigolos, whores and tramps.

Gigolos, whores and tramps? Wasn’t that a 70s song by Cher?

No, wait, that was Gypsies, Tramps and Thieves.

Nevermind.

Look, you can either fill the girls up with birth control pills and turn them over to the hockey team

uh…bleargh? wha…?

OT: I think we finally have the explanation of the “We can’t have a fish-picker from Texas” bizareness. This AIP-gate is shaping to be bigger than baby-gate (though stll not as big as gate-gate). Sarah and Todd were just worried that – if delivered in Texas -Trig may have hard time getting Alaskan citizenship after the seccssion, that’s all.

I’m a 15 year old sophomore at the local high school and I’m real confused. Our health teacher says the Jesus Stick should never go into the God Box until a daddy and mommy are married. But then preacher people on the TV and internet say it’s okay as long as you have a big letter R at the end of your last name. How do I add a letter R to my name?

Suppose it turns out (and God willing these details will never be sought or publicized) that Bristol and Levi used a condom and it failed? Where does that leave the liberal argument?

It leaves the argument in approximately the same shape as the argument that you shouldn’t go speeding through red lights, even though some people get into collisions in intersections when the light is green. Statistically, you’re more likely to be safe if you don’t recklessly go through the red light.

While dealing in hypotheticals pulled from thin air, let me insert a little more spin:

Suppose it turns out that Bristol is actually a virgin, and the Holy Ghost is the father? Where does that leave the abstinence argument?

I know, I’m being silly. That’s one difference between me and Mona Charen.

Republican Math:

XXX+R+$$= ++++++

But

XXX+L–$= ——–

Could be another little problem for Ms Palin, Alaskan Independance Party?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/02/uselections2008.republicans20085

Here’s a few hypotheticals for the TalEvan:

What if God doesn’t give a flaming crap who you have sex with provided you’re both consenting adults? What if God was serious about not praying in public? What if that bit about the plank in your eye wasn’t a joke? What if He really, really doesn’t like hypocrites?

see, here’s the thing. let’s say someone was accusing me of something completely crazy–like having secretly kept a bear locked in a cage with a tiger in my basement. rumors swirl–green took delivery of a cage in 2007. green had tons of salmon delivered to the house! siegfried was seen leaving the house in early 2008. and so on.

now, this all sounds insane, right?

so to remove any potential belief in this scurrilous rumor, what if i told everyone that sure, i have a bear in a cage in my basement, but no way do i have a tiger down there! absurd!

i mean, it’s still totally insane, no? and what are the odds that my story that dispels a rumor is basically just as crazy, if not crazier, and in the same crazytown category?

seriously. rumor–something weird with a kid and her. rumor answered–it is all just something weird with a kid and NOT her, sort of. ish.

please go here and cut and paste this and send it to everyone–we need to get viral and ratfucky on these losers. it’s a chain e-mail about palin with links. feel free to add to it or whatever.
http://anothergreenworld.blogspot.com/2008/09/sarah-palin-e-mail-please-steal-and.html

I think it’s time for some obligatory musical commentary.

Ain’t you heard of the starving millions
Ain’t you heard of contraception?

When is a tramp a tramp?

How about never? Is never good for you?

Let’s see if that’s on the board…

*BRAP*

No. Let’s look at the number one…in fact, the ONLY answer…

“When you’re black & poor and they’re Republican”

Thanks for playing.

We don’t need no contraception.
We don’t need no birth control.
No condom machines in the bathroom.
Hey! Sex!
Leave our kids alone.

When is a tramp a tramp?

How about never? Is never good for you?

Of course, if you’re asking my personal opinion, MzN, I concur.

I would be the absolute last person to point a finger at a woman and call her a tramp. I make no claims to fidelity. Ask any of my wives or fiancees.

Yeah, when the Godnazi contingent’s wacko-gaga fringe says 2-faced crap like this, one of the first names that comes to mind is Chelsea Clinton – & a certain joke about Janet Reno being her real father … in the face of a marathon of high-octane ugly, that little lady has shown more class than all of them put together (not that that’s much of a feat).

Sarah Palin: Dan Quayle with boobies.

That is, if George H W Bush had been running for POTUS in his 70s, was popping Ambien daily & had already been diagnosed with a recurring form of cancer.

Just think, with just one little stolen election, she’d only be a heartbeat away from making everyone forget all about Bush Jr. – &/or making even HIM look good.

McCain/Palin 2008 – Do You Feel Lucky, Punks?

Shalom, gentlemen.

Wow. I don’t know where to begin. I mean, I’m speechless. The Democrats have nominated possibly their most radical candidate since George McGovern.

Its been a while my liberal friends, and I must say that I’m disappointed, that the real candidate of hope and change, Congressman Tom Tancredo, did not win the Republican primary.

Its a good thing that rino McCain chose a solid conservative, like Sarah Palin to be his running mate. Otherwise I probably would have sat out this election.

Oh, BTW, “heartland Saul,” who has been posting here on and off is merely an attempt by the left to discredit me. I haven’t posted here since August 2007, and I don’t live in the heartland. I hate to say it, because the last thing I would want to do would be to take teh funny out of your little website here, but which ever one of you tried to spoof me did a rather pathetic job at it.

But what can I say, I’m sure the readers of your little blog here were smart enough to know that the rabid, foaming at the mouth, racist that you tried portraying me as was a fake. Us Rabbis, are shall we say, more intellectual than that.

I look foward to enlightening you niave liberals about the ways of this world again. I shall be posting here regularly until the day after election day. When that day comes, I look fowad to reminding you that I said this would happen all along. That the American people are too traditional to vote for a man whose views on issues of race and unborn life are, shall we say, on the fringe of acceptable political thought.

Until we speak again.

Shalom.

I have to admit that I’m amazed by the absolute failure of the right to address two issues:

1) They treated Chelsea Clinton and Amy Carter with far less courtesy; and

2) They had VERY different things to say about Jamie Lynn Spears and the Gloucester girls.

I suppose I’m not *really* surprised at the double standard; I think I’m more surprised that the NROniks haven’t even tried to put forth some kind of rationalization, however bogus, that justifies it. By now, I’d’ve expected Goldberg to have come out with some lame post like “It’s different. It just is.” I’ve emailed a bunch of the NRO crew (albeit not Goldberg) with questions about this but haven’t heard a peep in response. They really are just hoping they can get by without dealing with this, presumably because they know that the base would savage them if they even tried.

Veternator: The Sarah Palin Chronicles

Episode 1: “I’m a Fuckin’ Redneck!”

It looks like abstinence-only education is 0 for 1 in the Palin household.

It makes you wonder about the menfolk in the family. Are there any more little Palin buns in any teenage ovens?

NROniks

Rhymes with “moronics” I hope.

And if she has kids named Piper and Willow, somebody *so* needs to ask her what she thinks of Wicca, witchcraft, and the supernatural.

Palin is the bestest Republican officeholder ever.

Saul- You’ve been replaced about 100 times over. See: Meyer, Coach Urban; Truth, The; Pantsapoopin, Erik; Ace of Spades dumbo Goober; Iris; etc.

Levi is also a popular name among the RW Bible-thumpers….

Shrug.

At the price of possibly being called a conservative shill, let us not forget the plate of muckraking BOUNTY that Senator McCain has given us. This Palin woman seems to be up to her eyeballs in backslapping, slush-fund-hiding, lawyering-up goodness. And we’re all focusing on her tramp of a daughter? Perhaps we should all consider that we have been fed a target at which to aim while the GOP Scrub Team preps itself to defend Ms. Palin against any and all calumnies, deserved or not.

Inexperienced? Sure she is. This was a key complaint of the GOP faithful for the last few months; let’s see how many of the elephant hypocrites slammed Obama for that but have flip-flopped now that Palin’s their girl.

Young? Sure she is. Advice as above.

Servant of special interests? This woman ran Ted Stevens’ 527, for cryin’ out loud. What else do you need?

Covered with scandal dirt? Sure looks that way. Didn’t she lawyer up on that state trooper-firing incident? Isn’t her attorney trying to delay proceedings until after the election? Start banging the drum that Sarah Palin’s Troopergate is the same thing as the Clinton’s White House Travel Office scandal.

I agree, Palin’s kid screwed up and is living proof that abstinence-only education (let alone an abstinence-only household) won’t stop kids from getting pregnant. But IMO, the bigger story here is that Palin herself — with all the power of the state government behind her and the state troopers watching over her family, couldn’t keep her daughter from getting into a family way. Given all those resources, she couldn’t accomplish t3h Conservative Dream.

It’s not her kid’s failing; it’s HERS. Palin’s mismanagement, plain and simple, on display for all to see. It’s the story of how much power and authority she had, and how she couldn’t accomplish — even for her own family — what the wingnut branch of the GOP wants to do for the entire country.

It’s just part of a larger narrative about the miserable failure of the GOP’s prescription for the country. Please, let’s not lose sight of that.

Yes, the McCain campaign considers Bristol’s pregnancy such a wonderful, shame-free thing that they chose to announce it to the entire world on a holiday weekend at the very moment that a hurricane was coming ashore.

None of the support for Sarah Palin and her daughter has anything to do with Evangelicals suddenly “approving of” or “ignoring” the promiscuity of a seventeen year old simply because her mother is a Republican. Rather, it has everything to do with what the family has chosen to do next.

“Choice is okay, just as long as its the RIGHT choice. Otherwise, you deserve eternal torture and pain! Now that’s not me saying those things, that’s what GOD said. I’m just the messenger.”

Remember the 11th Commandment kids: Thou shalt not bad mouth a fellow Republican. It’s one of the reasons why they keep winning.

Shalom, gentlemen.

This “non-‘heartland Saul” is the true fake. Only this fake lib-plant saul would be such an eletist to think that a rabbi like me would endorse Tom Tancredo.

Obviously, I am a supporter of Alan Keyes.

“Let me reintroduce you to this propitious quote from Jonah Goldberg’s Liberal Fascism:” is all you need to read of the whole article.

owlbear1 said,

September 2, 2008 at 18:45

“Choice is okay, just as long as its the RIGHT choice. Otherwise, you deserve eternal torture and pain! Now that’s not me saying those things, that’s what GOD said. I’m just the messenger.”

Maybe we need to bring back the ancient practice of killing the messenger.

— *ding dong* Hi, I’m from the Jehovah’s Witnesse… argh!

The more I think about this, the more I’m convinced Palin was a fatal mistake by McCain. They’re banking entirely on the fundies and giving the finger to independents. Good luck with that strategy. The Hillary votes McCain was hoping to capture just walked out the door for good.

If you’re going to go this direction, why not go with Huckabee? I just can’t believe these guys thought that Palin would capture the Hillary vote. It doesn’t make any sense.

I was at a Stuper Bowl party at a coworker’s house once where a couple I didn’t know began talking about the fact of their fourteen year old daughter’s pregnancy. I came in at the part where the mother was saying, “Of course she’s not having an abortion. No daughter of mine is having an abortion! If she can have sex she can deal with the consequences”

This is the way they think. I try not to hate, but I really do despise these fuckers. They’re horrible people.

JK47 – maybe they were reading TGW or No Quarter.

the Gloucester girls. Wha?

Maybe we need to bring back the ancient practice of killing the messenger.

I’d settle for a sock stuffed in his mouth. If you kill him he won’t learn nothing.

Note to self: Find out exact date that feminists conspired to make sex pleasurable…

Margaret Sanger and Ho Chi Minh began implanting sexual pleasure chips into the brains of unsuspecting Americans on February 27, 1962. Prior to that date, having sex was a grueling experience, comparable to having dental work done on your crotch.

I guess Bristol took that “Drill here, Drill now!” doctrine to heart.

Ba-dum-bum-bsh!

I came in at the part where the mother was saying, “Of course she’s not having an abortion. No daughter of mine is having an abortion! If she can have sex she can deal with the consequences”

Do you know if there was a case of “crib death” in that family somewhat later?

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Wow. I don’t know where to begin. I mean, I’m speechless. The Democrats have nominated possibly their most radical candidate since George McGovern.

Fuck you, clown – you’re just repeating shit you heard, and a parrot would at least preen for scratchies. Fuck off and die.

Meyer, Coach Urban;

GEE GOLLY JEEPERS!!!!

For republics, there is only one good reason for the hoi polloi to have sex: to create more cannon fodder. republic criminals need lots of people to fight for them without posing questions about “Should we follow the Benjamins?”

Of course, for the republics in the ruling class, sex has more uses. The reproductive use is to provide heirs to keep their wealth from dissipating. Sex itself is for fun while flying through Minneapolis and using the washroom, or for hiring sex workers to tie you and put diapers on you.

GREAT NEWS!!
I just got off of a conference call with the PUMA leadership and they said that they are willing to support Obama IF nobody on the internet makes fun of Sarah Pa… oh, fuck, here we go again.

OB-GYN Kenobi:
I agree, Palin’s kid screwed up and is living proof that abstinence-only education (let alone an abstinence-only household) won’t stop kids from getting pregnant. But IMO, the bigger story here is that Palin herself — with all the power of the state government behind her and the state troopers watching over her family, couldn’t keep her daughter from getting into a family way. Given all those resources, she couldn’t accomplish t3h Conservative Dream.

It’s not her kid’s failing; it’s HERS. Palin’s mismanagement, plain and simple, on display for all to see. It’s the story of how much power and authority she had, and how she couldn’t accomplish — even for her own family — what the wingnut branch of the GOP wants to do for the entire country.

It’s just part of a larger narrative about the miserable failure of the GOP’s prescription for the country. Please, let’s not lose sight of that.

Yup. Although it’s been transparently obvious forever, in this case there simply isn’t any kind of degenerate Judeo-Bolshevist conspiracy to blame her seemingly endless parade of failures on – not unlike McCain, who has taken lemonade and made diarrhea, and yet has just the right housewifely instincts to keep the media calling him Lady Bird.

Really: McCain is a kept man from a powerful family who was perhaps America’s worst soldier, he’s routinely embarassed by his wife’s indifference to homekeeping, recipe stealing, and drugging, and he can’t even keep his mouth straight when making abortion into the Seventeen Hundredth Seal Judgement™. I’m tempted to call him a fucking woman, but he’s not: he’s what Republicans want women to be.

And that’s pathetic. He is the wife out of a beer commercial. If he happens to share your gender, he thinks you will vote for him because you hate black people. If you actually have ovaries, he thinks he has you pegged with a cunning uterus trap – honestly believing America’s Worst [Republican|Politician|Housewife|Whitey] is sufficient bait for you, because he thinks of you the way he thinks of himself and that brings up the bile in his throat.

None of the support for Sarah Palin and her daughter has anything to do with Evangelicals suddenly “approving of” or “ignoring” the promiscuity of a seventeen year old simply because her mother is a Republican. Rather, it has everything to do with what the family has chosen to do next.

Yes, and with the handy dandy “Get Out of Hell Free” card, whatever they decide to do is the right thing to do.

Gosh. We should all become TalEvangicals. Just imagine. You get caught doing anything and all you have to say is “Jesus has forgiven me, why can’t you?” (Look hurt and confused.) If anyone dares to pester you about the alleged wrong-doing, scream about being persectuted for your Christian beliefs.

Maybe McPOW will give you a spot in his cabinet. Or Cindy will give you something from her medicine cabinet.

Arky – Chuthuhlusexual said,

September 2, 2008 at 19:32
Maybe McPOW will give you a spot in his cabinet. Or Cindy will give you something from her medicine cabinet.

Or maybe you and Sarah-chan can form your own sovereign country. You know, with stamps and everything!

“No daughter of mine is having an abortion! If she can have sex she can deal with the consequences”

My biological mother was seventeen when she had me. Women of our phenotype apparently don’t get hips until we’re about 23 or so; I still have tiny hips relative to the size of the rest of me (I wear a size 16 shirt and size 13 pants, go figure). Being undergrown, my biological mother went into labour eight or so weeks early, and then I got stuck in the birth canal. When I was born, I weighed about 900g, or what they call an “extremely low birth-weight baby.” I have cerebral palsy as a result, and a shitload of chronic health problems.

Abortion was not legal or available when and where I was born. Thank you, anti-choice fucks for taking that option away from my biological mother; you fucked up two people’s lives, mine permanently. Terriffic “consequenses” you got there.

Hell yah I’m bitter. Wouldn’t you be?

When is a tramp a tramp?

When she gets caught, of course. Or when she sleeps with someone besides YOU.

her tramp of a daughter
Again: How do we define “tramp”? And is Levi also a “tramp”? If not, why not?

I agree, Palin’s kid screwed up

How so? By having a sex drive and daring to act upon it, or by being unfortunate enough to get pregnant?

the promiscuity of a seventeen year old

The girl is “promiscuous”, now? How many sex partners are allowed per female before she’s labeled “promiscuous”? How many per male? Oh wait– I guess only females are promiscuous.

I’m tempted to call him a fucking woman

Because, my God, what could possibly be worse!

This whole thing is really letting the misogyny flag fly, ain’t it? Yes I’m ragging on about it again. It’s getting to the point where I’m no fun anymore.

I know it’s difficult, but even under these tempting circumstances, ya think we could at least TRY to keep the sexism to a minimum?

Thank you watertiger. Thank you so much for that one.

It’s been said in other threads, but it’s worth repeating: the Palins are Alaska’s version of the Trailer Park Boys.

Oh, and BTW – possession of up to an ounce of weed in Alaska is legal. Given the nature of the Palins, this fact may soon have some relevance…

Hey, someone’s gotta grow the stuff up there – can’t all be about importing Winnepeg Wheelchair Weed.

Maybe McPOW will give you a spot in his cabinet. Or Cindy will give you something from her medicine cabinet.

The latter, please.

Do you know if there was a case of “crib death” in that family somewhat later?

Nope, never saw them again, and am glad of that.

g said,

the Gloucester girls. Wha?

The pregnancy pact.

I agree, Palin’s kid screwed up

We don’t know that she was on the bottom.

the promiscuity of a seventeen year old

The girl is “promiscuous”, now?

Whoa, Nicky. Go back and read the original quote: “promiscuity” as defined by the Evangelical right.

Abortion was not legal or available when and where I was born. Thank you, anti-choice fucks for taking that option away from my biological mother; you fucked up two people’s lives, mine permanently. Terriffic “consequenses” you got there.

Well, you know what they say: it takes two to be born with a horrible near-crippling birth defect.

You know, you and God, who presumably hates you. Are you a fag? That might be why.

I’m tempted to call him a fucking woman

Because, my God, what could possibly be worse!

Just so we’re clear: your chromosomes are a fate worse than death. This is what I was directly stating on account of I despise women.

Wait,wait…there is a plot in the Palin VP pick but it aint a GOP one.
Consider the following:
1- McCain was held by the North Vietnamese who were,at that time, working closely with the KGB.Sure the local goons wrecked his arms,but the real ‘treatment’-he cant even remember THAT! His status as an admirals son and potential politician would earmark him for special attention
2-Alaska used to be Russian territory.They were there a good while and they can plan for the long term.
3-Palin used to be in a secessionist party;now she sez she’s GOP…but in which nations interest would an independant Alaska be a godsend hmmm?
4-Russia gets all medieval on Georgia ass…McManchuria spouts long and loud about it and a top advisor of his has links to the Georgian government:perfect placement for a Kremlin sockpuppet and his controller.They build Poopdecks belligerency credentials up with this planned crisis to lay groundwork for his ultimate purpose,a POTUS puppet with a (secret UNTIL NOW!!11!!) Moscow Manifesto of Mayhem!!1!
5- (speculation)POTUS Pappy and VPOTUS Palin (or is it PALINSKY!!1!) will contrive a situation for their KGB/FSB controllers in which Alaska secedes from the US and appeals to Russia for aid in return for which it gets control of ANWAR and strategic bases on the North American continent.

But at the eleventh hour Red Blooded American Teen Horniness has ridden to the rescue smashing Ivans plot to smithereens
…they would have got away with it except for these diddling kids!

In all seriousness, I was being warrantlessly glib and ‘a fucking woman’ as an insult is a sort of admittedly vile inside-jokey self-parody. I don’t know if it’s a direct reference to Jerkcity or just going with their schtick, which is – long story short – taking Camille Paglia’s garbage to its logical extreme.

In all honesty, I think McCain choosing Palin is a transparently patronizing and insulting political move; it may just be the most crass shit I’ve ever seen in my life (I say ‘may just’ because I lived through Katrina and USA PATRIOT). At the very least it’s certainly the most casually misogynistic; if someone had pulled it in the 50s you could give them the benefit of the doubt for at least having the right intentions, but McCain has been around long enough and dealt with the modern world enough that he has to know choosing a part-term governor from a bumfuck GOPnik state on the sole basis of her popularity among College Republicans is fucking inappropriate. That he thinks this is the way into your heart is a horrifying insult, and as a married man on good terms with my mother it makes me angry. I am making foul jokes because, a week later, this shit is still blowing my mind.

I can’t make any excuses for everyone here, but I can imagine I’m not alone in this. A man who makes political hay out of teen mothers and other social victims at every fucking turn going and nominating a woman whose abstinence-only bumblefuckery got her daughter pregnant at 17 and is keeping her from doing the sane fucking thing for a pregnant teenager with decent resources out of political fervor – it just fucking defies comment.

MzNicky: How so? By having a sex drive and daring to act upon it, or by being unfortunate enough to get pregnant?

I don’t know if you actually wanted me to bite at this particular apple or not, but I’ll indulge. By being unfortunate enough to get pregnant, that’s how.

MzNicky: This whole thing is really letting the misogyny flag fly, ain’t it?

Given that my post involved an exposition on some comments my wife made to me during a discussion on this topic this morning, I can hardly wait to show her this thread and call her out for being a self-hating misogynist.

MzNicky: I know it’s difficult, but even under these tempting circumstances, ya think we could at least TRY to keep the sexism to a minimum?

With all due respect, perhaps you could speak to me a bit more (and leap to conclusions a bit less) before labeling me a sexist or misogynist.

BTW – did you see the link to Levi’s MySpace page?

Did no-one in McCain’s camp or the Palin family think to warn this kid that his name was going to be public property in 3, 2, 1… and he might want to take down his idiotic Myspace page before he got humiliated in front of the entire country? 17-year-olds don’t think of these things on their own. Way to look out for your future son-in-law, Grandma Palin.

MaryC said,

September 2, 2008 at 20:31
Did no-one in McCain’s camp or the Palin family think to warn this kid that his name was going to be public property in 3, 2, 1… and he might want to take down his idiotic Myspace page before he got humiliated in front of the entire country? 17-year-olds don’t think of these things on their own. Way to look out for your future son-in-law, Grandma Palin.

It’s comforting to know that McCain isn’t going to be left helpless at 3 AM from his aggressive ignorance about any technology (a) invented after he was born and/or (b) not directly used to murder people.

Instead, he’ll be left helpless more or less 24/7 because the only people anywhere close to the Oval Office who understands those Internets’ threat to our way of life is in the tour group, presumably busy playing with Pokemans.

Really, I’d like to see the righties run with this. Tell the 50+ million American women aged 15-45 that if ur enjoyin it, UR DOIN IT WRONG!!12!!!

I don’t disagree with the sentiment, but really: at what point in human history have righties/religious conservatives not been running with that?

Quite seriously, the reason this issue has legs is the hypocrisy, not the kid. My personal contribution to rodent-romance is pointing out to everyone I know that for conservatives, Bristol Palin’s situation is a feature, not a bug. Every time this issue comes up, we need to yell loudly that wingnut policies on birth control and sex education are terribly efficient at causing unplanned and unwanted pregnancies. It’s hard to make mature decisions about sex when your family values actively prevent you from doing so.

But at the eleventh hour Red Blooded American Teen Horniness has ridden to the rescue smashing Ivans plot to smithereens

WOLVERINES!

“Here’s the deal — we traditionalists teach abstinence to our children primarily so that our sons and daughters won’t end up being gigolos, whores and tramps.”

Soooo…how’s that working out again?

“When is a tramp a tramp?”

That’s a simple one… when she starts gettin’ too uppity!

Think there’ll be a formal apology to the lawfully church-married Mrs. Michelle Obama for referring to her as “Obama’s Baby Momma”?

Understood in those terms, progressive sex education is certainly as much — probably more — of a failure than abstinence education.

As opposed to being understood in, you know, terms like NUMBERS, which show that ignorance teaching doesn’t help.
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And if she has kids named Piper and Willow, somebody *so* needs to ask her what she thinks of Wicca, witchcraft, and the supernatural.

Heh. The only problem with that is that she’d probably give you a blank look, followed by an explanation that Piper was named [for whatever reason, though for the life of me all I can think of when I see the name Piper in connection with Alaska is a Piper Cub].

As for Willow, well… Between the abundant willows that grow up here and the small town of Willow (which coincedentally is not too far from Wasilla), it’s hard to say which influenced her decision.

Trig is a family name, apparently/allegedly from Norway. Bristol was probably named for the Bristol Bay region; given that Mr. Palin is Yup’ik, it wouldn’t surprise me if he was from there.

I have no idea why poor, poor Track was saddled with such a horrible name.

Oh, BTW, “heartland Saul,” who has been posting here on and off is merely an attempt by the left to discredit me. I haven’t posted here since August 2007, and I don’t live in the heartland. I hate to say it, because the last thing I would want to do would be to take teh funny out of your little website here, but which ever one of you tried to spoof me did a rather pathetic job at it.

I look foward to enlightening you niave liberals about the ways of this world again. I shall be posting here regularly until the day after election day. When that day comes, I look fowad to reminding you that I said this would happen all along. That the American people are too traditional to vote for a man whose views on issues of race and unborn life are, shall we say, on the fringe of acceptable political thought.

Best. Troolpost. Evar.

The claim of intellectual superiority (grammatically incorrect); the pretension to a socially-respected class (about which he knows nothing); the condescension (with bonus misspelling); the pathetic attempt to disavow all the dumb shit he’s said here (since August 2007! Sorry, no backsies!); and finally, the threat of returning to “post(ing) here regularly until the day after election day.”

People, it doesn’t get any better than this. Unless the Russian judge lowballs him, this is gold-medal trollery. And it’s only September!

Think there’ll be a formal apology to the lawfully church-married Mrs. Michelle Obama for referring to her as “Obama’s Baby Momma”?

Heh. Let’s not hold our breath.

My friends! I came to warn you – I have been in discussions with my vetting team, and have learned of new risk from our modern world of technological terrors.
Apparently – and you young ladyfolk, take special heed – a woman can immaculately conceive from wearing Levi’s denim slacks.
It has happened before – my young friend Sarah tells me to someone in her family – and it can happen again.

Vote McCain – I promise to fund research into this Tsarist plot to inseminate the very clothing on our backs!

Oh yeah? Then how come Rudi Julie Annie never got preggers?

I bet if you picked HER for your running mate, she’d conceive in about a microsecond.

Observing the continuous, glittering string of failures
Is that anything like “a stream of bat’s pee in a cave”?

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When I was growing up, I had two sets of females in my age group that I interacted with often. One were my school friends, the other were my church friends. Out of said group of church friends, 4 out of 5 of them got knocked up. Out of my group of less-religious school friends? Zero. One family at my church had 3 daughters, all of whom got pregnant before turning 18. Abstinence only is a farce.

Most overused word of the year:

“resonate”

That is all.

Birdseatbugs, you may seem to be reasonable and logical. That’s your first mistake. The point is the question, not the answer.

“Palin’s white loving white family white and white Christian white values white make white her white seem white approachable white and white familiar white to white American white voters. By contrast, Barack black Obama’s black loving black family black and black Christian black values black make black him black seem black strange black and black unknown black because black ”

It’s truly a mystery.

Better to be void of spiritual guidance than have a shotgun wedding. But then I always say that, stupid traditions.

Shorter Sadlynaughts: if the Republicans don’t have the stones to slut-shame their own pregnant teenage daughters, then goddamnit we’ll just have to shame those girls OURSELVES.

(Seriously what the fuck, since when did liberals start calling pregnant teenage girls tramps?)

Shorter Sadlynaughts

Call out the individuals you want to call out. Otherwise fuck you.

What Righteous Bubba said.

Pretty much the point of abstinence-only is to get as many girls as possible pregnant and married young, and feeling like crap about their sexuality. Richard M. is right about this being a feature, not a bug.

I fucking told you upthread that we were being fed a target. And as usual, Josh Marshall is on the ball.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/212890.php

The story here isn’t that Sarah Palin’s daughter is a naughty, naughty girl. The story here is that a powerful GOP woman, with the authority and power of an entire state behind her, can’t enforce the no-nookie-before-marriage standard that the GOPs want for all of us. Once again, the proper narrative here is that the GOP’s social dream for us is a resounding failure, even at the micro level.

Don’t be misled. Bristol Palin isn’t the story here. Her mother is.

Don’t be misled. Bristol Palin isn’t the story here. Her mother is.

Yup. Don’t fucking call the girl a slut; she didn’t ask to be born into the Palin family.