This Must Be That “Compassionate Conservatism” We Keep Hearing About
First it was twelve year old boys, and now it’s injured Iraqi war vets:
How does one decipher whether a person is truly mentally ill, or is exploiting their battle experiences to their fullest advantage?
How do we know if Troy is the person he is because of the battlefield experiences, or if he is choosing to be this person because others are enabling him? Since we’re not hearing from Troy’s pre-war family and friends it is difficult to really know what he was life prior to his tour in Iraq.
I’m very skeptical of Troy’s “problems” and so should others who read this article.
He is capable of rational thought and he is making choices. He choses to swallow pills and watch TV in the dark- to shut himself in…to refuse medical/psych care and, I really wonder- the required services that would make him a better person.
When we enable some people to be the worst they can be, they take advantage and do just that.
Of course, when you read the article, it’s hard to see how someone could come to the conclusion that this vet is faking illness:
Troy’s problems started after his tour. While he was on home leave from Fort Stewart one weekend, Michelle found him sitting on the bed with a bottle of pills. He said he couldn’t go back. Michelle drove him to the Martinsburg VA hospital, which shipped him to Walter Reed for three weeks of psychiatric care.
He was sent back to Fort Stewart and returned to duty, a reality he could not cope with. Twice he tried to commit suicide and was hospitalized at Winn Army Community Hospital before being medically discharged for PTSD in 2004. After 13 years in uniform, Troy got nearly the lowest disability rating possible, a $11,349 severance check and no benefits.
You know, I’ve had jobs I’ve hated before. I mean really, really hated. And I have taken mental health days by calling in sick once or twice in my life. But I can’t recall ever attempting suicide in an effort to get out of going to work. Perhaps in Raven’s world, this is a sign of a malingerer. But when normal people hear a story like this, their first thought isn’t “ooh, what a faker!”; their first thought is “this is a man who is really suffering”.
I love this new version of conservatism. There is nothing too base, too venal, too cold-blooded for them to say. There is no one they won’t smear, no reputation they won’t seek to tarnish, no depth to which they will not sink in order to destroy anything that interferes with their pet narratives about how they think the world works, whether it be ‘government insurance is socialism’ or ‘the Iraq war is a war for civilization and therefore worth any sacrifice (as long as it’s not mine).’ Anything — absolutely anything at all — is acceptable, except for even the barest hint of the thought that they might actually be wrong about something in even the slightest measure.
The only good thing for us is that, as reality becomes ever more obviously divergent from the bizarre pictures of it painted in the minds of people like this, the ranting that comes from them becomes ever more obviously foul and disgusting. It showed in the howling brigades’ smears of Graeme Frost, and it shows here. There is hope that, if most people really are not baying monsters at heart, but decent individuals, the increasing levels of bile coming from those who actually are baying monsters will start to drive the decent people away from them.
In the last week, they’ve stalked a twelve year old with disabilities and called an Iraqi war vet with brain injuries a malingerer. I’m holding out for the trifecta: these guys don’t support the war. Any chance one of you might want to go kick one of them in the face? Be sure to get pictures, so we can all see how brave and patriotic you are.
Update:
Jesus Christ. Raven has taken issue with my characterization of her as a “baying monster,” and has linked to other posts she’s written to demonstrate her infinite compassion for our veterans. Upon reading another account of a soldier who ended up on total disability from post-traumatic stress disorder, her truly bodhisattva-like compassion motived her to say:
You know, when I read lines like this, I lose respect and sympathy…does that make me cruel or cold? I don’t think so. Mr. Awad [the disabled soldier] should realize he is lucky to be alive. He should visit with some of my patients- who are alive, but who have lost it all.
Well. How could I ever have questioned the deeply caring nature of this person? Truly, the shame is mine.
Clif adds:
Kender, a commenter over at Raven’s nest, kicks it up a notch:
The liberal mindset is what causes PTSD. Boys being raised to men without a strong male role model, and having a false sense of what life is about is causing our young men to go to war and come home freaked out.
To which the compassionate Raven squawks:
Kender, there is a lot of truth to what you’ve said.
When we consider that the past wars were much gorier and bloodier. My own father saw a lot of gore; he lost many friends. Yet he managed to move on without letting it get to him; he chose to live his life as he wanted and not to succumb to his ghosts, as I call them.
The men of the past are a lost breed.
Words fail me.
Gavin adds:
Apparently, Raven is trying to ‘win’ the debate by deleting comments unfavorable to her position. Why do people do that?
truly putting the ‘ass’ back in compassion.
I love “it seems to me” speculation about mental health from someone not qualified to speculate as to one’s mental health. As we all know, “schooling,” “credentials,” “qualification,” and of course “peer review” are all liberal elitist tools.
From citizen-journalist to citizen-psychiatrist.
This Raven thing has appended to her error-riddled screed an “up yours” note to any Sadly, No!-sers who might stroll by. I see that she has no comments yet on this post, so it’s almost as though she’s daring, or perhaps begging, someone to do so.
Nothing really new here, except that they took off the mask. Modern conservativism (since Goldwater and possibly before) has always been a cesspool. It is at heart an inherently evil philosophy.
I read the articles Raven linked in defense of herself, and suffice it to say I’m a little skeptical of the medical credentials of someone who claims to work with brain-injured patients but doesn’t know how to spell “skull.”
The Raven thing has also posted a nightmarish recipe for chili which requires boullion cubes. Truly, she is a monster.
Anything — absolutely anything at all — is acceptable, except for even the barest hint of the thought that they might actually be wrong about something in even the slightest measure.
True. I think part of that is that any admission that they’re wrong entails an admission that the DFHs were right. Further, they assume that if they admit we were right, we’d be as assholish about our position of “power” as they always are.
Perhaps we would and perhaps not – I’m not inclined to lord it over anyone while saying “I told you so” but I totally understand those who are, especially after so many years of triumphalist gloating from the right.
SO all you Sadly No
suckersreaders, don’t question my compassion. I have far more than most of you will ever begin to understand or know.I must say, that’s a compelling argument. She is truly a formidable opponent, and her closing command is every bit as powerful as the weight of her factual evidence and expert opinion in this matter.
You know, it’s really pretty simple. If you want to know about people like Troy–if you want to know about the consequences of head injuries, blast injuries, PTSD, and the like–just go down to your local VA and sign up to be a volunteer.
Heck, you don’t even need to put in that much effort–just grab a seat by the information desk and people-watch.
Before too long, you’ll see a vet come up who looks pretty much fine, if a bit disheveled. He’ll come up to the desk and ask for directions to one clinic or another, and the guy behind the desk will tell him: turn right, go down the hall, take the elevator on your left, go up to the fourth floor, clinic’s on your right.
The vet will thank him, turn around, look around uncertainly for a moment…and then start walking in the wrong direction.
The guy behind the info desk will call to him. You’re going the wrong way, sir. Other way.
This way?
Yes, sir, that way. Elevator on the left by the soda machines, fourth floor, clinic’s on the right side.
Fi–first floor? But I’m ON the first floor!
Four, sir. One two three four.
And the vet will go on down the hall, muttering “one two three four” to himself to keep it in his mind, and he’ll look for the elevator on the right side, which of course does not exist. He will stop every hundred feet or so to ask someone else, pointing to the information on his sheet of paper (and God help him if he loses that). Eventually, having been passed from person to person, he will arrive at the clinic–half an hour late, of course, where the docs (who are used to this) will squeeze him in somehow.
This sort of thing will happen twenty times a day at least.
That won’t tell you about the nightmares, the inability to concentrate, the headaches, the anger, the sudden bouts of crying, the works. For that you’d actually have to, y’know, KNOW SOMEONE WHO HAS THOSE PROBLEMS.
But that would be too difficult. Much easier to sit in front of your computer and malign our veterans by regurgitating the standard conservative pabulum.
mdhatter ftw
And boulion cubes in chili? Really? I figure she lives in the Midwest; what passes for chili in Ohio (fer example) is an abomination.
Personally, I think it’s fantastic that the more unhinged elements on the Right continue to bray in such a fashion. As the ’08 elections draw nearer and an ever-increasing number of voters recoil and shock and horror from their verbal sewage, they’re driving the Republican Party straight into a ditch. This can only be a good thing for the country and, indeed, the entire world.
Gerald Fnord? Aw man, I wish I had thought of that. Now I have pseudonym envy.
Johnny, I love your pseudonym. Don’t ever change. There are some genuinely awesome ones around, though, and I admit Gerald Fnord is a winner.
suffice it to say I’m a little skeptical of the medical credentials of someone who claims to work with brain-injured patients but doesn’t know how to spell “skull.”
As we all know, accuracy has an inherently liberal bias.
22,000 of these phony soldiers are trying to shamelessly suck off the public teat, stealing form the pockets of honest ‘Murrican taxpayers. What do you think you’re fighting for, anyway? Socialized medicine?!? Back to the front, buddy, and don’t come back until you’ve gotz mah freedomz!
Thanks for the kind words, D. They help alleviate the sting of knowing I’m not the smartest Discordian Pope at Sadly No.
Incidentally, I believe Gerald’s pseud was suggested when HTML was looking for a new one, and when he settled on Mencken, Gerald jumped up to claim it. Well played, sir!
Cold. This Raven person is so cold she can’t even feign warmth, like most of the wingnut regulars can. She doesn’t even mouth the words correctly.
I agree that theses Compassionate Conservatives should be allowed to roam as free as possible as the face of the Modern Republican Party; soon people wil recoil in instinctive disgust when one is met, like a member of NAMBLA or The Jeff Dahmer Recipe Club.
Compassionate conservatism as opposed to liberal anti-americanism.
Yeah, he’s going from doctor to doctor, filling out endless forms and waiting in endless waiting rooms, taking medicine with possibly horrible side effects, spending hours in therapy, and wrangling with bureaucrats just for that sweet $11,349 severance check (with no benefits!).
Shut up troll. Troy is America.
My dear Frog, you expect these people to take time away from the productive lives to volunteer at a VA hospital? That whole “1000 points of light” thing is so last century. Now we’re all about malingerers being enabled by people who claim to care for them but in reality are just stealthy troop haters who want the terrorists to win. The more soldiers they can keep in the VA hospitals claiming to be “ill” the sooner the worldwide caliphate.
Bwahahahahaha!!!
<ahem> If I worked at the institution she claims to, I’d make sure everyone got a chance to enjoy her opinions, if I had to shellac it to the break room door.
You kids crack me up. I think i’ll go eat my beef stagenoff.
Mikey smells like shit.
For a nurse, this Raven has very little medical experience and about as much debating any topic, for that matter.
Does the US really need nurses that badly?
Those like Raven never miss an opportunity to use the one as an example for the many. Did she choose this soldier and hypothesize he is being used or manipulated as a singular example? I doubt it. It is one of their many consistent behaviors. Every time a liberal cites a specific instance of, let’s say over-reaction by a soldier, it is conflated into a condemnation of the entire military because when they cite a specific example it is meant as a condemnation of the whole.
Any compassion she has is likely an exception to the rule.
Thats because real Americans know that liberals hate the military.
Mikey smells like shit.
Did I mention liberals also hate America and Western Civilization. Ummm! This beef stagenoff is good!
Mikey smells like shit.
From Raven’s “about me”
Sounds like grade A, 100% sociopath to me. And I think she was probably faking her heroin addiction. Just my professional opinion as a video director.
“Thats because real Americans know that liberals hate the military.”
We hate them so much that we want to keep them alive, get them out of a war zone that never should’ve existed in the first place, give them the medical care they need, pay them an appropriate wage and get them the proper equipment that will save their lives.
What horrible hatred! How could we be so heartless!
Gerald Fnord? Aw man, I wish I had thought of that. Now I have pseudonym envy.
Plenty of names to steal back here.
I loved that thread.
Remember your “General Betraty Us” add my dear Christina.
Kill file please. Shit-smeller is a dull troll.
I can win a political debate against any of you with half my brain tied behind my back.
Mikey smells like shit.
Damn, why can’t these mentally ill, suicidal vets just snap their fingers and get better?
He did.
Twice.
Isn’t it obvious? Please.
“Twice he tried to commit suicide…”
If he were really suffering, and not malingering and faking it, he would have succeeded in committing suicide *both times.* He would have made a true good-faith effort to kill himself. Instead, the proof is right in front of you moondawgs, or dingbats, or whatever you are. If he’s still alive, he’s guilty. If he were dead (twice), then he really did deserve some help.
The conservative mindset: bringing you the Salem witch trials for over 300 years.
“Is it irresponsible to speculate?
No, it is irresponsible NOT to.”
Dear pathetic troll,
I find it very strange that no one here wants to debate you. Why, your nickname alone is a clear indicator that you come here in good faith, in search of a reasoned and unbiased exchange of ideas.
History books recount the famous debate between Plato and Plato Is A Big Poopypants in Ancient Greece. I think that’s similar to what’s happening here.
Jesus tapdancing Christ. Nurse Ratched lives.
Why, your nickname alone is a clear indicator that you come here in good faith, in search of a reasoned and unbiased exchange of ideas.
Yup – but it is handy when the really st00pid trolls identify exactly whose arguments are causing them to froth and poo-fling right up front.
Compassionate conservatism as opposed to liberal anti-americanism.
Two myths. See?
I’ve been an EMT for just over a yr and haven’t seen any suicide attempts.
And you lieberals say she has no medical experience!
OK, so she’s an ER nurse and an EMT . . . AND a former heroin addict?
If there’s any record of her former addiction (arrests, court ordered rehab, etc) would she ever be allowed to get an RN or EMT license?
My guess is, no. But is there someone here who knows more about the licensing process for medical professionals?
I’m sorry. I’ve been in the shower.
I kind of smelled…
mikey
The bio that was posted says she “works in nursing” and that she’s an EMT. My guess, as a RN, is that she “works” as a nurses aide.
[…] need help. all of them. Filed under: The Outrages — JasonC @ 12:43 […]
As for the point of the post.
I don’t think I’m going to weigh in on whether PTSD is “real” or whether this dude was “faking it”.
Either you’ve seen it, understand it on a visceral level, or you don’t.
If you’re among those who think we should just “gut it out”, fuck you.
If you care about the soldiers we send out to commit our crimes, you care about the broken ones at least as much as the whole ones. I think it just gets more and more obvious which “side” of the American political debate truly supports the troops, and which side just wants war, and more war.
mikey
To answer Lolly, there would be license restrictions. I highly doubt they’d ever be able to have access to any kind of narcotic again.
Lolly, I think you’re right: a conviction would most likely bar someone from getting a license to drive around in a van full of pain-killers. Seriously, I think sharing her shrewd diagnostic examples with her peers and superiors would be a public service. This is not someone I would want as a caregiver.
Um, I don’t think “venal” means what you think it means. At any rate, it’s hard to see how “able to be bribed” fits in there.
It’s interesting that some right-winger would choose this thread to anonymously attack a combat vet.
Class in abundance!
Most states have programs for nurses who suffer addictions. Here in ‘Zona it’s called CANDO. The basic idea is to help the nurse retain their career and maintain sobriety. A past addiction doesn’t usually disqualify a nurse from licensure.
However, drug diversion and untreated addiction is taken *very* seriously by state nursing boards, and it is simply not tolerated. Punishment is immediate and severe.
Raven’s the kind of blogger who can’t help but jump into the comments with two feet. So she reveals a lot more than her original post does.
Among other things, she answers the guy who says “How do you diagnose a medical condition remotely – what’s your experience?” by claiming her EMT experience, then compromising it by saying she’s never seen an attempted suicide; then she announces her personal experience at attempting suicide (as if that gives you insight into the reasons all sufferers might attempt it) and then says “but that’s irrelevant.”
So basically, she reinforces the point made that she’s full of shit and doesn’t know what she’s talking about.
If by “baying monster” you mean “cold-hearted cowardly cunt rag”, then you are spot on.
Yeassss… we liberals fucking hate the Military. I guess I spent 13 years in the wrong place, filled with Malkin-like self-hate.
And here I thought “In the Navy” was just a Village People song that used to help me get laid in Pensacola.
It’s interesting that some right-winger would choose this thread to anonymously attack a combat vet.
Y’know, other than having issues with the way I smell (and c’mon, who doesn’t?), dude didn’t really attack me. He does mindless shorthand Ruppertesqe talking points that make no sense, claims victory in the “debate”, and goes back to internet porn. I’m really not consequential to his argument.
And I’m going upstairs right now for more deodorant…
mikey
The liberal mindset is what causes PTSD. Boys being raised to men without a strong male role model, and having a false sense of what life is about is causing our young men to go to war and come home freaked out.
Cause nobody came home shell-shocked from World Wars I and II.
That’s why they invented the term “shell-shocked,” cause it’s a totally imaginary thing that had never actually happened to anybody.
That person using the name “raven” is an insult to every big, black, squawky bird out there.. if she truly is in the mental health field I pity every one of her patients.
I was diagnosed with PTSD, altho I’ve never been in battle, from the trauma I went through in dealing with a severely mentally ill husband while attempting also trying to raise our infant son.
Um, in that last quote of Raven’s, did she hint that she wanted to breed with her dad?
an EMT doesn’t diagnose–remotely or not. Only an MD can diagnose. An EMT is trained to respond to emergency situations. They practice under protocols established by physicians. They stablize patients so they can transport to an ER to be diagnosed and treated by an MD.
if she truly is in the mental health field I pity every one of her patients.
I imagine Raven’s co-workers talk about her behind her back.
Raven needs to stick to her Disney movies because adulthood is too difficult and complicated for her. Maybe in between princess outfit changing Raven could get up off her lazy ass and do her research on PTSD.
By Raven’s attitude her father never ever discussed what happened to his war buddies that lived and came home. He, like most, probably sheltered her from that part of his life. I do not believe that he shared any of his nightmares or sleepless nights with her either. Another aspect that most rarely talk or talked about especially to their children. I’m betting she was kept in the dark about quite a bit of his experiences. I have to wonder why she never asked her mother about any changes in her father when he came back from war. There are always changes.
The childishness, immaturity and fairy tale believing mindset of today’s conservatives is stunning. The whole attitude that every man who comes back from war is a pussy if he’s not acting like a John Wayne character is a problem. It is one of the main problems as to why those who do need treatment do not get it.
This Raven person even makes ME sick.
But I’m still voting Republican in 2008 because the mindless corporate warmongering posing as patriotism of (fill in the blank) is better than the blatant CommunistIslamomexifascist sympathies of (fill in the blank).
Liberals. Hmf.
22,000 of these phony soldiers are trying to shamelessly suck off the public teat, stealing form the pockets of honest ‘Murrican taxpayers.
ZOMGSOCIALISM!!!eleven! Somebody investigate their countertops!
I’m torn on this.
On one hand, this woman is obviously a piece of shit of the first degree, a failure in life who embraced the “don’t think just obey” ethos of the right because she couldn’t handle her own shit and needed to find an escape from personal responsibility. Her whole “no one held my hand because i’m a vicious, rabid beast” based lack of sympathy deserves eternal mocking.
On the other hand, she’s trolling for attention, and will probably blogwhore this little event all over her corner of the assholosphere by crying victimization and crowing about getting libs to notice her. I don’t mean to fault Jillian in the tiniest little bit, but should some cries for attention be ignored?
Raven should have met my wife’s grandfather, a vet of the Italian and African campaigns of WWII. He was a shell of the young man who went overseas in 1943. It was only months before his death last year that we learned he had been receiving disability benefits for “shell shock” for most of the last 60 years.
This poor guy was always relegated to a corner on family get-togethers because all he could do was recount his war stories, embellishing them a little bit from year to year. He slept on the living room couch for decades because his nightmares would disturb the family if he was in his own bed. His employment was limited to jobs where he had little contact with others because he had trouble dealing with even the slightest conflicts.
And yet, through all of this, he was still a loving and caring soul who cherished his kids, grandkids and great-grandkids. He would spend days at a time teaching his offspring how to hunt, fish and live off the land in the woods of northern Minnesota. That was his thing.
Two years ago, his grandson came back from Iraq after his Minnesota National Guard unit was sent over. The grandson’s parents had been huge ditto-heads who used to spout crap like “There is a better chance of him getting killed on a street corner in Philadelphia than there is in Iraq.” When he came home and his parents continued to be war cheerleaders, he moved away with his wife and two daughters because he was so disgusted by his own parents inability to understand what was going on. He did, however, keep in contact with his grandfather, who was by then in the nursing home wing of a VA hospital.
And if the Grandfather were still alive, and Raven was one of his attendees, I am pretty sure that he would have refused any treatment from her after reading some of her self-righteous crap. He was that kind of guy.
It is expected that the un-politically correct Raven would take offense at Sadly No! and its commenters, since of course, this site is the most politically correct, and Serious, site in the whole universe and always has been. Always.
Nope. Raven doesn’t even have the first clue.
You get home, you’re not SCARED. You’re not quaking in fear. You have every reason not be. Clean sheets, 24 hour px and generator, and no one’s trying to kill you. You fought. You didn’t run. You’re NOT A COWARD!
And you tell yourself that when you do speed to stay awake because the dreams will come if you don’t. You tell yourself when you drink until you can’t remember. You tell yourself that when you start to cry for no reason at all, in the middle of the day. When you can’t hold a job, can’t stay in one place, can’t listen to the same banal conversation. Can’t love, can’t trust, can’t BREATHE!!
But still, you know you’re not some pussy. You know what you are capable of. You know you don’t break, you don’t run, you hold the fucking line, you put out rounds, you DO YOUR JOB!
So while part of you keeps asking “what the fuck is WRONG with me” the other half figures out how to self-medicate, keep moving, make new friends to replace the ones you drove away last week. Just get on a bike and roll. Occasional stops in county jails for doing weird shit you just can’t explain why you did it.
And either eventually you find a way to get some help with it all, or you die, too young and alone.
So Raven, and all of you who talk out your ass with no real information or experience? Fuck you….
mikey
oh FFS. My grandfather grew up the oldest of 12 kids in rural central Washington, reached adulthood right when the country entered the Great Depression, poached deer for survival in the 30s, then joined the USMC at age 31 in 1942 to fight as an infantryman on Peleliu and Okinawa, then deploy to China to disarm the Japanese garrisons there.
He was one of the few survivors of his company to survive both battles; he came back from the war totally fucked up from his nightmarish combat experiences.
The diferrence between WW2 and Iraq is that my grandfather was only in combat for ~2 months out of those 3 years spent in uniform, while our warfighters in Iraq are exposed to combat stress every goddamn day of their tour.
and of course, its ‘Libs’ who will spit on the troops…
Dora, it isn’t just md’s who can diagnose. I’m a LCSW, and I have the training and credentialling to treat and diagnose mental illnesses, including personality disorders. While ethically speaking I don’t think it is a good idea to diagnose people I haven’t been able to do a complete assessment of, I’m going to throw ethics out the window and diagnose Raven as borderline personality disorder with narcissistic and anti-social traits. Oh, and also as a “See You Next Tuesday.”
After today, Raven will be screening comments and turning mirrors to face the wall.
It’s not every day you’re called what you are: an illiterate, ignorant, hateful douchebag.
On full disability due to PTSD here, struggling to recover, not doing too well, my challenge every day is just to feed myself and do basic hygiene, and I’m failing at that…. and I’m not a combat vet. I can’t imagine what that’s like to be a combat vet. I kindof see that type of PTSD as almost a different thing… I don;t think I would have survived it.
I deal with the constant crap from people, saying “you don’t look disabled to me,” calling me a con man, as if I LIKE being a nonfunctional shut-in in a one room shithole with below-poverty level income… as if I like struggling every day in the hopes of one day being able to simply take care of myself. But I can understand people not getting it, thinking PTSD is just only vets…
But someone like this moron who questions PTSD IN VETS…. that’s the ultimate level of cluelessness. Maybe it’s hard to understand someone having PTSD from childhood abuse, molestation, abandonment, serial killers in the household, near-fatal accidents, etc… but COMBAT?
What’s amazing to me is that some people come out of combat WITHOUT PTSD. That’s what’s unbelievable… though of course I also realize that many more have PTSD than are diagnosed.
That’s the thing about the right wing – so many of these people that deny mental illness in others are also denying it in themselves… for what better explanation is there for people like that – like Bill O’Reilly, Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, etc., than that they clearly have personality disorders?
I think a lot more vets would heal up so that they could go back and fight in Iraq some more if they could spend more time with right wingers telling them their problems are all in their heads, they’re lucky to be alive, and they need to get their a**es back to the field to fight all those Moooozlims that frighten right wing pundits so badly.
Don’t forget the Freepers that a few weeks ago beat up the crap out of the father of a soldier killed in Iraq. This took place during the last peace rally in D.C. Carlos Arredondo, whose son was killed in service in Iraq, was viciously beaten by a gang of Freeper “Eagles”. This is the conservative movement in America:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/9/24/113720/185
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/09/20/gold-star-father-who-lost-son-in-iraq-allegedly-beaten-by-members-of-pro-war-group/
Ah yes, the ‘Gathering of Bird Brains‘ — beating up a Gold Star father in the name of freedom of speech and non-violent ‘defense’ of ‘their’ Vietnam memorial.
They are a choice bunch. And they have such great taste in tee-shirts!
craig – good wishes to you, and strength. It says a lot that you can come away from the experiences you have had and still have empathy and compassion for other people.
The cult of conservatism continues down its alternate reality road.
These are people who were willing to cast aspersions on EVERY Purple Heart recipient – any medal recipient – in our nation’s history just so they could slime their political opponent and to condition their cult further right and further away from reality.
This is what they think of our military –
http://www.projo.com/blogs/shenews/photos/purpleheart.jpg
They showed once again they could tell their followers to eat a dog turd and they would follow Spot around with a knife and fork.
Face it, conservatism is truly bereft of principles but like any good cult they are conditioned to think dragging the nation and world to hell in support of that cultic alternate reality is a good thing. They are conditioned into thinking having the entire world hate you is a good thing. Look at how easily the chowder heads foamed about Gore winning the NPP. And they accuse the left of “hating” Bush. ( understand the reason they have trained their followers to say that – “You just hate Bush” – is a cult control tactic. If you can say your detractors are insane with hate you don’t have to deal with the reality of what they say. This is the first thing any moonie does when one is critical of that group. “you are insane with hate for True Father.”)
What we are seeing now is what many of us saw coming down the road years ago as the conditioned cultic world view is reinfornced day after day by Rush and the gang. Rush talks to his cult 3 hours a day, five days a week – that is more than Koresh conditioned his followers..literally.., and like any cult when they are exposed – and the world does see them as living in an alternate reality and a huge sad joke – a group that thinks the world is 5000 years old and Iraq is huge success for instance – when they feel exposed they will attack anything they perceive as a threat to their cult controlled ideology. They are NOT insane, they are conditioned, controlled. This is a huge problem our short sighted nation will not discuss.
Conservatism continues to be major national and world security problem.
people exposed to violence or the threat of violence for long periods of time are in a constant state of adrenalin rush. This alters brain chemistry:
Poor wittle Waven. She got what she wanted, all right, and she didn’t have to almost commit suicide to get it. Still, it took the poor twit 15 minutes to figure out how to delete my comments 😀 Leslie, you’re next for deletion – KNOW THAT AND TREMBLE!
Gary Ruppert visited Raven:
Gary Ruppert says
The fact is that true Republican veterans of Iraq never experience PSTD.
I never sevred in Iraq because, like Raven, the experience of being under fire would cause embarrassing loss of bowel control, but I speak from the knowledge of my extensive reading of Republican weblogs.
October 14th, 2007 | #
I call Fake Gary at Raven’s place!
Ah, Nurse Wretched.
I have survived heroin addiction and the life that supported it. Don’t mess with me.
For those demanding proof of Raven’s history of addiction to heroin, “and the life that supported it”, she still gets monthly flair ups from her days as a junky whore. So check back next month. I like how the drug history is supposed to make her tough. Most junkies I’ve met are/were running away from something. Now that I’ve seen Raven’s character I understand her motivation to stay stoned. She disgusts herself, and rightfully so!!
Craig and mikey, I seriously owe you guys a drink someday.
Fuck ’em all. If they don’t get it, there’s nothing in there for us to explain it to.
From Raven’s web site:
Also, “jarheads make me horny”
(as long as they’re not mentally ill from exposure to war and shit).
When we consider that the past wars were much gorier and bloodier.
No, you moron. War is always gory and bloody. The American media refuse to show the blood and gore because it would offend the delicate sensibilities of their viewers.
Then the flying monkey right claims there is no blood and gore because they haven’t seen any.
Stuff like this makes my head spin.
Lolly, shrimplate et al, re: nursing and drugs — A friend of my daughter’s was fired from her nursing position and lost her license when she tested positive for pot and painkillers during a routine drug test. As someone pointed out, the nursing boards do take that sort of thing very seriously.
Also, I’m thinking maybe Raven’s daddy made her watch “Patton” with him a few too many times.
My only recommendation for folks like this to administer a severe beating to them,one where you look at them on the floor and say,you are my bitch now,leave them confused and in pain and walk away.Then let’s see if they man up and just gut it out.I’m sorry if I sound like a dick here,but.This gets me on a visceral level.These attacks are atavistic and require an atavistic response.My fucking HEAD HURTS…
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TomMil said,
October 14, 2007 at 21:34
“I have survived heroin addiction and the life that supported it. Don’t mess with me.
For those demanding proof of Raven’s history of addiction to heroin, “and the life that supported it”, she still gets monthly flair ups from her days as a junky whore. So check back next month. I like how the drug history is supposed to make her tough. Most junkies I’ve met are/were running away from something. Now that I’ve seen Raven’s character I understand her motivation to stay stoned. She disgusts herself, and rightfully so!!” Hey all you guys,apropos of this blather.This is my 12th.Anniversary clean & sober!So all you guys have a drink on me if your’e so inclined.Carry on you beautiful bastards!!1!1!!!1
Tom Mil, I didn’t mean you were blathering,I meant the Trog.
“I have survived heroin addiction and the life that supported it. Don’t mess with me.
What does that even mean?
“I have survived being hit by a car. Don’t mess with me.”
“A dog bit me once. Don’t mess with me.”
“One time, at band camp? I put my clarinet in my ass. Don’t mess with me.”
mikey
Apparently, Raven is trying to ‘win’ the debate by deleting comments unfavorable to her position. Why do people do that?
Yeah, why would anyone do that? Hey, I still wanna know which one of you deleted my Spam Chowder comment in an earlier thread! I am a Spamcook, not a Spamblog! Also, the moron is back. Seriously starting to think that maybe you guys *should* ban *.info.
Raven’s ladeling bacon chili down her throat. later today she’ll be blogging farts.
” I love this new version of conservatism. There is nothing too base, too venal, too cold-blooded for them to say.”
NEW. What’s new about it? They’ve always been this way. They were like that in the 40s, 50s and on and on.
I can’t count the number of times in my life that I’ve had to listen to Republicans from well-to-do families rail away about other people’s misfortune. “it’s all their fault … they’re faking … they should have known better … etc., etc.”
Like the people I’ve known over the years, Raven and her commenters have no experience ‘walking in others’ shoes’.
The commenters’ rant about liberals and PTSD is among the more ridiculous statements. Perhaps they’ve never heard of the many tormented veterans of WWII. Apparently hard-scrabble life during the depression didn’t grant them immunity from PTSD.
AND, I’ll bet that neither Raven nor her cohorts ever saw one moment of combat.
Damn liberal complainers! You still have some limbs – STFU!
Unless her dad is 200 years old he fought in a time where PTSD was common. PTSD has been around for a long time, it just didn’t have a good name.
Shell-shock has been diagnosed since the early 1900s at least. Maybe her father fought in the War of 1812?
If you are going to romaticize the past at least do it in a way that isn’t easily proven false. It’s great to believe that manly conservative men of yore simply didn’t get PTSD, unfortunately that’s as realistic as believing they rode Unicorns into battle.
There is nothing these people won’t blame on liberals. Shoot a bunch of people? Must be a liberal. Get shot by that guy? Must be a liberal. Lose some limbs in battle? Must be a liberal. Have PTSD? Must be a liberal. Makes perfect sense.
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Like the people I’ve known over the years, Raven and her commenters have no experience ‘walking in others’ shoes’.
Even their experience with challenging life situations – aka Raven’s supposed experience with drug addiction – doesn’t inspire empathy or understanding. I think it’s because they have a heaping helping of self-loathing – so even if they have experienced something like trauma, or struggle, or weakness, they can only transfer their own self-hatred to others who happen to share their experience.
Unless her dad is 200 years old he fought in a time where PTSD was common
Random, I’m sure there were Cro-Magnons who raided other Cro-Magnon settlements with iron or bronze swords who returned home changed by the experience.
There is nothing inherently wrong with being a conservative. It all depends on how one goes about it. And there is a use for honest conservatives; they can put the brakes on us when we sometimes get carried away.
Unfortunately, nowadays an honest conservative is a very rare bird indeed.
WWI left no mental scars, take my word for it. Oh wait.
[…] Sadly, No! details how some on the right support the troops (hint: they call them […]
I worked with elders and people with disabilities for several years. We always knew we’d scraped the bottom of the barrel of moral bankruptcy and incompetence when someone who was supposed to be helping these folks would proclaim “it could be worse” or “you’re lucky to be alive”.
People who spout that crap are completely detached from healthy human emotions and their thinking ability ain’t so hot either.
You’re all wrong! Kender is truly compassionate! Just look at Kender’s awesome compassionate blog DeafPeopleSuckAss.com:
“MONDAY, DECEMBER 19, 2005
“Welcome to Deaf People Suck Ass!!!
“I started this blog because with all of the groups out there that scream about being marginalized and discriminated against there is still one group of people that feel they can take out there frustrations on a large segment of society and so far nobody has said one thing to them about it, probably for fear of being labeled something or other.
“I, on the other hand, am going to say something about it, probably starting a war in the process.”
With compassion like that I’m sure you can see how Kender supports teh troops! Liebral loosers!
/sarcasm
According to the new Ken Burns documentary “The War,” 25% of all medical evacuations from combat were for psychiatric reasons.
Those malingerers must not have had strong male role models.
Raven’s now blocking people from accessing her server.
so far nobody has said one thing to them about it,
Of course, no one has said anything to them about it. They’re deaf. What would be the point?
Geez, some people can’t even get their hate on properly.
Raven-
If you or your wingnut defenders are out there, you’re more than welcome to continue the discussion here!
XOXO
Well,
Raven shut down the PTSD comments thread. So, I sent my personal, Disabled Veteran love letter:
Looky here… if you have doubts, like Raven does, then, BEFORE you decide to type up some outrageous, anti-veteran screed about Phony Liberal Veterans, and their mother-coddled upbringing, I ask you, I beg you, I implore you– I DARE you to go down to your local VA Medical Center, and sign up to volunteer a few days, for a week, a month– whatever period you’ve got time to give.
Until you’ve been there, seen it and experienced it– you don’t have a fucking clue about what you’re writing, and you WILL come off as a TOTAL ASSHOLE.
The rewards for your volunteering will be great: We Disabled Veterans will thank you more than you have ever been thanked, your world-view WILL be changed, and you will at LEAST have the experience to use as credential. I suggest that you seek out the Neurology Lab, The Psych Lab, and the Ortho Lab.
You bunch of heartless motherfuckers need to get some things straight in your non-combat, non-veteran basements– there are wounds that you cannot see, wounds that you simply cannot appreciate until they inhabit YOUR skin.
Until you’ve volunteered, until you’ve worked with us, and have gotten to understand us, until you see what this war is creating– Read This, and then kindly shut the fuck up. On this topic, you.are.already.over. The shark is in your wake.
Stumbling upon your post here really tore me up in the wake of their attack on the Frost Boy. These people will do and say and attack anything that makes their Daddy Figure look bad, won’t they? How can they be SO married to a single, totally flawed, absolutely incompetent leader? Even the hardest of hardened Democrats took their turns sinking the shivs into Carter and Clinton– one would expect SOME divergence from the wingnut crowd into reality with this sort of rhetoric and behavior. Some party stepping out, and saying, “Whoa– these folks don’t speak for me.” But, no. John Cole seems to be the only one. Meanwhile, the nuts just double-down.
Astounding.
–mf
Monkeyfister
(DAV-USN/Desert Storm)
Raven is blocked now? It’s probably my fault. I probably sent her over the edge when I criticized her vile chili.
Raven says in comments that she has a lot of experience dealing with PTSD patients and that’s what’s led her to feel that the “man written about in the WAPO article just doesn’t fit my experiences…something isn’t right.” Of course, the man in the article fits exactly with the description of PTSD found in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, otherwise known as the DSM-IV.
The essential feature of Posttraumatic Stress Disorder is the development of characteristic symptoms following exposure to an extreme traumatic stressor involving direct personal experience of an event that involves actual or threatened death or serious injury, or other threat to one’s physical integrity; or witnessing an event that involves death, injury, or a threat to the physical integrity of another person; or learning about unexpected or violent death, serious harm, or threat of death or injury experienced by a family member or other close associate (Criterion A1). The person’s response to the event must involve intense fear, helplessness, or horror (or in children, the response must involve disorganized or agitated behavior) (Criterion A2). The characteristic symptoms resulting from the exposure to the extreme trauma include persistent reexperiencing of the traumatic event (Criterion B), persistent avoidance of stimuli associated with the trauma and numbing of general responsiveness (Criterion C), and persistent symptoms of increased arousal (Criterion D). The full symptom picture must be present for more than 1 month (Criterion E), and the disturbance must cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning (Criterion F).
Oh–
To be clear, my letter to Raven ends with the word, “wake.”
The last graph is for you all.
–mf
(DAV, USN/Desert Storm)
Is there such a thing? I can not quite get my head around the concept. Maybe if I had seen or heard one in recent years, I would not be so skeptical.
Unicorns I find much more plausible. With leprechauns ridng on their backs.
Nitpicker!
Bravo Zulu to you, Brother! and a salute!
–mf
Raven says in comments that she has a lot of experience dealing with PTSD patients and that’s what’s led her to feel that the “man written about in the WAPO article just doesn’t fit my experiences…something isn’t right.”
Yes, and then further down in her comments she reveals her “experience” as being an EMT for one (1) year, and not treating any suicide attempts. In the same comment she goes on to say she herself contemplated suicide once, but that her experience was not relevant.
So, basically, whatever it was that lead her to feel “something isn’t right” was just pulled out of her ass.
I imagine that’s where the compassionate part of her resides.
[…] Sadly No!, Jillian reports on the fresh attack on our war wounded by a New Hampshire conservative, who believes a shell-shocked veteran spiralling downhill is actively choosing his pain and […]
Apparently, we dumbasses that preach compassion are the problem. And here was me thinking the fucktards who think invading other people’s countries and killing them are good ideas were the problem.
“But I am totally ashamed at how you all just come over and attack like this- but alas, you’re Democrats and thats what they do. Attack. Accuse. Make assumptions.”–Raven
LOL! Teh irony! It burns!
Oh, I’m sure too, I was just saying that PTSD and variant names have been documented as medical diagnoses for 100 years.
Althought I don’t thing Cro-Magons used iron and broze swords…
If Cro-Magnons have something against the broze then FUCK THEM.
…even the comments which are still up are quite revealing: I wonder if she is aware of just what a comprehensive smack-down her world-view is getting on her forum.
Highly recommended.
Man.
They didn’t always call it “post-traumatic stress disorder”. Back in World War I, they called it “shellshock”.
I guess the weak parenting of these World War I soldiers, was accomplished by shape-shifting 1970’s liberals travelling backwards through time?
But of course the real answer is, these conservatives here don’t have a rational position, they have a *rationalizing* position. That’s why the logic gets more twisted the closer you look at it. It’s not a source of an outlook, but a defense of it – the outlook they’re trying to defend is:
a) conservative leaders only lead us into good wars
b) conservative Americans are all only good people
So, evidence that this is not a “good war” must be batted off with some variations of the following illogic:
c) good wars don’t actually hurt good people
d) therefore pain caused by good wars must be an illusion or a lie
…on the other hand, the chili looks quite tasty. Just sayin’.
As a Real Professional and a He-Man, here’s my review of her ailment.
Her profile and commentary indicate she suffers from a longing for a mythical rock of a man who never displayed pain and discomfort to hold her and love her for her pure princessness. Lacking that, she plunged into the abyss of complete narcissism by choosing heroin addiction. (Funny that so many us lifelong liberals never considered even trying that; must be a conservative thing).
Now she’s divorced, happy with that and convinced such men like her dream don’t exist any more. She lives for the day that genetic engineering will grant her the chance to create such a customized creature so at last she can know true love.
Medical professionals in her world question PTSD, but it’s absolutely accepted in the world of the other 6 billion people on the planet.
And she’s raising her daughters with a dedication to drink beer and cuss like a sailor.
.Diagnosis and prescription: There is no cure for terminal narcissism but she’d likely find comfort giving enemas to a stoic Osama Bin Laden just for the chance to scarf some pan drippings.
Raven ended the thread with a final (predictable) comment:
October 14th, 2007 | #
Raven says
Hey this has been educational folks.
Thank you Sadly No readers: You have proven to me, once again by the tone of the comments here, that I made the right choice by changing my politics. I used to be just like you all. Rightfully I changed my mindset when I saw too many people taking advantage of your liberal views; too many government programs enabling the able to not take care of their own.
I am so content I am no longer a Democrat. But I am totally ashamed at how you all just come over and attack like this- but alas, you’re Democrats and thats what they do. Attack. Accuse. Make assumptions. And nothing else.
You’re all losers as far as I’m concerned and I am proud to no longer be politically associated with your lot.
It’s the old lawyer’s trick: deny, traverse and counterclaim.
“Attack. Accuse. Make assumptions.”
Uhhhhhhh, ain’t this what she did with the Serviceman suffering from PTSD?
Well, I’m proud to not be associated with you too!I hope you and Rudy are very happy together.
That was different, Wek.
I think her chili thread is still open.
re: “True conservatives”
Is there such a thing? I can not quite get my head around the concept. Maybe if I had seen or heard one in recent years, I would not be so skeptical.
Some of the people on http://www.antiwar.com seem like “True Conservative” types. Or that Lew Rockwell guy. Or John Dean, of “Conservatives without conscience” fame.
I still don’t agree with much of what they say, but there does seem to be actual people who are conservative, and at the same time, are not members of the “Cult of Conservatism”. Basically normal people, in other words.
Thank God in heaven we are now led by a President who completely knew how to make it on his own without handouts of any kind, surrounded by a plethora of self-made advisers.
Apparently, Raven is trying to ‘win’ the debate by deleting comments unfavorable to her position. Why do people do that?
Because they lack the intellect to argue back or the sense of shame to feel bad about censuring other people’s comments.
Well, that, and they’re fucking cowards.
I am so content I am no longer a Democrat.
Well, that makes it unanimous.
We don’t really need hateful harpies over here, but that seems to be the stock in trade of the right these days. Why don’t you and the other thugs go kick a puppy or something?
She never answered Sarah’s question. Something is fishy about that.
I love Pink Floyd. Ever so much.
If Raven loves Pink Floyd, she must’ve misunderstood the politics behind “The Wall.”
If Raven loves Pink Floyd, she must’ve misunderstood the politics behind “The Wall.”
To be fair, that’s pretty easy to do. Unless you are somewhat clued-in politically, it just looks like a psychadelic fever dream.
Ugh.
This disgusting blob of protoplasm is not representative of the nursing profession.
She is an ugly example of the Nurse Ratchet caricature.
Love your nurse, because she/he acts on her/his compassion for you without precondition.
Kick this Raven piece of shit to the curb with the rest of the garbage.
To all you guys with PTSD and the like, you have my sympathy. You vets, there’s no way I could survive what you’ve been through. My neurochemistry is pre-fucked, so I’d most likely have killed myself already, or at least be a screaming drooling basket case.
But this Raven bitch really makes me a cranky cat. How dare she, how dare she, suggest for a moment that anyone is faking? Much less someone who’s come back from an all-hours guerilla/civil war. Stupid cow. And the idea that “Dad was okay, so everyone who claims to suffer is a big wuss” is complete nonsense: as my logic tutor used to say, one example does not a proof make.
Random, I’m sure there were Cro-Magnons who raided other Cro-Magnon settlements with iron or bronze swords who returned home changed by the experience.
Err, g? I don’t think the cro-magnons did metalwork. I think that happened a lot later, after the CMs had gone the way of the dinosaurs. Just sayin’.
According to the new Ken Burns documentary “The War,” 25% of all medical evacuations from combat were for psychiatric reasons.
Not surprising. Have any of you guys read On Killing by Dave Grossman? That’s Lt Col Dave Grossman, by the way. He says that around World War I (I think), officers had a problem, in that they could only get about 20-25% of the men to actually fire when sighting an ‘enemy’. They found that soldiers, on seeing another guy who looked pretty much like them, would stop and think that the guy might just be pretty much like them. So they wouldn’t shoot. This caused problems for officers and politicians.
So they started training soldiers, conditioning them, to dehumanize the enemy, so they’d have less trouble firing. Also to mindlessly obey orders, for the same reason. Plus, it helps if they don’t have to look at the people they kill: pilots of bombers have very little problems, while the grunts on the ground bear the brunt.
I seem to recall that World War I nearly ended the first Christmas, because the shelling stopped, and the blokes in the trenches got together and shared their Christmas treats. The officers were pretty pissed off about that, I think. Can’t have the men stopping the war, doncherknow.
“One time, at band camp? I put my clarinet in my ass. Don’t mess with me.”
But mikey, did you tootle?
Unless you are somewhat clued-in politically, it just looks like a psychadelic fever dream.
Hey, atheist, The Wall was an album long before it was a video. On vinyl, no less. And the lyrics are pretty damn convincing, and any Pink Floyd fan worth his, or indeed her, salt would have to obsessively listen to the lyrics.
May not understand them, true.
In the comments, she says:
“Propane you must know that there is considerable debate among the medical profession as to reality of PTSD as a medical condition.”
Let me assure Raven and everyone else that there is NO debate within the Army about it-anymore. I say this as a member of a new unit whose only mission is transitioning wounded soldiers back to duty or back to civilian life with the benefits they deserve. PTSD and TBI is taken with the utmost seriousness, now that soldier treatment is front page news. In fact most of our charges are PSTD and TBI sufferers.
What a stupid, uninformed, bloodless bitch.
Fair enough, Qetesh. I saw the movie first, and didn’t get the political side of it until years later.
Raven has never met Troy Turner, nor is she trained in psychiatric nursing. She doesn’t believe in PTSD and she judges Mr. Turner’s behavior by the same yardstick you’d use to gauge that of a mentally healthy individual.
Her solution? Suck it up, you malingerer! “My own father saw a lot of gore; he lost many friends. Yet he managed to move on without letting it get to him; he chose to live his life as he wanted and not to succumb to his ghosts, as I call them.”
Her attitude toward Troy Turner reminds me of George S Patton, who visited an army hospital and slapped a solider suffering from shell-shock. When it was revealed, Patton was forced to make a public apology in front of his troops.
Raven, on the other hand, is a coward. She has turned off her comments page and slithered back under the rock from whence she came. It’s a bit like Bill O’Reilly, who publicly stated that a young man who was kidnapped, strangled and sexually abused “liked it.”
He’s never apologized for his slander, nor will Raven ever apologize for hers. My guess is that Raven is an evangelical Christian. In my experience, those people are particularly adept at lying. After all, they’ve accepted Jesus H. Christ as their personal savior, so they think they’ll go to heaven no matter what the hell they do.
The real tip-off is Raven’s self-regard. After delivering a cruel set of putdowns worthy of Nurse Ratched, she claims to be “compassionate.” Raven, if you’re compassionate, I’d hate to see the alternative.
I’m sure you are all correct about this stupid Raven moron. She sounds like a real piece of work, all right.
Still, you know, not all Evangelical Christians are bastards like her. Some are actually pretty normal. And so, when you dis her, you may not want to say that all evangelical Christians are like her. Because in my experience, not all of them are in fact like her. I have known evangelical Christians who did not believe that they would go to heaven no matter what bad thing they did.
Raven has a history of intellectual cowardice. She tried to start a debate with me nearly a year ago. I responded with answers to each of her questions. Raven never found the courage to continue the discussion.
Kender recently proposed a tax boycott/full-scale tax evasion scheme on his blog in the event that Hillary becomes President.
I attempted to point out that that would require defunding the troops and depriving them of bullets in a time of war, but those guys literally can’t even think thru the most basic consequences of their proposed actions:
http://breakingdimbulbs.blogspot.com/2007/10/another-wingnut-proposes-defunding.html
a different brad said,
I’m torn on this. […] she’s trolling for attention, and will probably blogwhore this little event all over her corner of the assholosphere by crying victimization and crowing about getting libs to notice her. I don’t mean to fault Jillian in the tiniest little bit, but should some cries for attention be ignored?
My 2 cents is that one reason this blog has so few trolls, and those you do have don’t stay very long, is because you ignore them a bit at first and then heap ridicule on them. I think this works. Trying to engage trolls in a debate simply doesn’t work neither does trading insults. In all the history of the internet it has never worked.
I’d like to see a national laugh-in where we all took a little time off and busted a gut laughing at these morans.
—
BTW … Mikey.
I got nothin’ but respect for you. Thank you for your service.
There is peace and comfort here.
Honestly. My therapist says I’m really doing well lately.
I’ve been hanging out at Sadly for what, year and a half?
Sanity. Rationality. An understanding that peace is a worthy goal, and a willingness to expend effort, money and intellectual wherewithal to get there.
I’m more than proud to hang with the Sadlys…
mikey
Only a year and a half, mikey? I think I’ve been here for nearly that long, and I remember clearly seeing you as an awesome force here when I first showed up. And by ‘awesome force,’ I mean . . . hell, you know what I mean. Peace.
“Honestly. My therapist says I’m really doing well lately.”
Yeah, so does mine, but then he’s paid to say that.
Just remember that wise saying “your shit stinks too”. Always nice to have someone stop by and remind us of that.
[…] parcel of the “Kill the messenger” approach that demonizes children over health care, soldiers over VA conditions, and Al Gore over global warming. The “good Germans” as Frank Rich bravely writes in […]
One of the posts/emails Raven received noted: “Based on your posts which I have read, you are a loathsome cunt.
If you are a registered nurse, I urge you to leave the field immediately.
There’s no room in my profession, which is based on compassion and caring, for a loathsome, judgemental, and despicable cunt like you.”
I read all of her posts and didn’t see where she claimed to be an RN. Too, to call her a loathsome, judgmental, and dispicable… is rather judgmental in itself don’t you think? I’m curious as to why the left (and the right for that matter) can’t take apart an argument without resorting to such language and ad hominim? Saying the other side does it more is not an acceptable defense.
Is there no civility in disagreement any more? Sad to see this happening and sad to see the above responses on this thread.
Too, to call her a loathsome, judgmental, and dispicable… is rather judgmental in itself don’t you think?
The difference here is that Raven judges on the basis of nothing – what she thinks might be the case – and her detractors judge on the basis of something – her shit post picking on a guy she doesn’t know.
Quoth the Raven:
Fuck you Raven you crybaby.
But thanks for asking, m-curious. Get ever it.
Honestly. My therapist says I’m really doing well lately.
I’m glad to hear that this place is theraputic to you, Mikey. It is to me too. I guess I have been hanging out hear for about a year or a year and a half too, and you were already lighting it up when I arrived.
I am glad when you cause wingnuts to stammer and seem confused- by asking them basic strategic questions about US aims in the “War on Terror”. They don’t seem to like questions that require a considered analytical response.
It’s pretty telling when they can’t even say what this war, that they are taking to be “The Existential scorched-earth war to end all wars forever”, is supposed to accomplish, other than, “it’s for freedom”.
I read the cess pool that you guys created over at Raven’s site. She has a right to question the story. You all claim that she made judgments based on the story but you all have done the same thing. She asked if this could be other than real based on what she read and you all said it was real based on what you read.
The so called mental health experts made a decision about this guy’s mental health whereas Raven only asked if it could be a ruse. She made no claim that he was or was not ill, just asked the question.
Unfortunately, resorting to name calling like pig and cunt only cheapens the debate and takes away any credibility you might have had. People are free to ask questions and Raven did just that.
I believe that Raven has many years working with the injured and infirmed and I am sure she does a fine job.
I am an RN, not a mental health expert and make no claim to know about this guy’s condition. I will say that Raven has a right to ask the questions without being attacked on a personal level. Attack the argument, not the person making the argument.
It is amazing to me that people who will bash our soldiers at every opportunity they get and will call our guys killers and torturers will jump to defend them when someone else asks a question.
As for those of you who were asking if Raven served in the military, look in the mirror. If you served you have a right to ask, otherwise you are on the same level.
How about acting like adults and trying to carry on intelligent conversations without personal attacks. Save the attacks for people in the public’s eye like the politicians.
“People who will bash our soldiers at every opportunity”
That’s a personal attack, Big Dog, and a lie. You are a hypocrite.
Is there no civility in disagreement any more?
My civility seemed to disappear after being called a traitor and worse over and over again, just for daring to disagree with C-Plus Augustus.
You want civility? Conservatives threw hissy fits over “freedom fries.” They compared a decorated American veteran like Max Cleland to thugs like Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. They boycotted the Dixie Chicks simply for saying they weren’t proud of the president, and generally acted like spoiled children throwing a tantrum.
They’ve been screaming every kind of vile epithet at people like me for seven straight years. No, they didn’t use curse words; they used language that was far worse — “traitor,” “enemy,” “anti-American,” etc. etc. And now you wonder why we’re not civil? Sweet Lord.
Big Dog can post here with impunity, but Raven bans people from her server and deletes the comments of those who take issue with her attack on a vet she knows squat about.
It seems the only vets Raven supports are those charged with war crimes.
And what is wrong with not buying Dixie Chicks albums if you don’t like what they say. You see, I believe they had every right to say what they wanted but I have every right not to buy their music. There is nothing wrong with that.
Free Speech is not free and if they offend some people they will have to take responsibility for their words.
As for Raven, I do not know why she turned off the comments, but considering the names and the trash talk, I can certainly understand it.
I also never said I was beyond a personal attack and I never called anyone a vulgar name, this is not my site. I merely stated what I see as a fact, the left goes bananas over one troops killing someone and extends that to the entire military. Jackasses like Murtha convict troops before they have had a fair trial.
A hypocrite is someone who preaches free speech and tolerance and then shows none when someone like Raven expresses an opinion.
And to clear it up, Max Cleland blew himself up when he dropped the grenade he was playing with. I appreciate his service but if you open your mouth and make comments you will get attacked whether you are in a wheelchair or not. After all there should be no special treatment for the handicapped…
Unfortunately, you folks have had Kerry, Clinton, Kennedy, Pelosi and the rest running you for way too long. Now many of the right’s stellar performers are not much better and in all reality we need to vote all of them out, regardless of party.
We need a do over…
I read the cess pool that you guys created over at Raven’s site.
Get ever it.
Hey Bubba, I have nothing to get over. You were not infesting my place…
Raven had an opinion, get over that my little friend.
Mikey established his awesome force quickly, as this April 2006 thread shows. I know it’s not his first appearance at Sadly, No!, but it’s early and I’m pretty sure it’s one that caught the eye of a lot of people here. And I notice that of late there hasn’t been mention of staying up all night because of memories jogged and shared, which I take as a Good Thing. I hope.
umm, yeah, what TR said (that you TRex?)
Humor is a coping mechanism. Worked for me when I was on the street. Hell of a lot better for ya than some of the alternatives and has the added plus of driving the sociopaths even crazier. What’s not to like about it?
BigDog (somehow I doubt that) said:
“She has a right to question the story.”
This always trips you nutcases up doesn’t it? Of course she has that right. What she doesn’t have is the right to say whatever pops into her head without getting criticized for it. And she did more than simply “question” his story. She really did insinuate that Troy is faking it. And she really did try to argue that PTSD isn’t real and that real men don’t suffer from such things.
All that while she is herself a junkie (just like an alcoholic, she will always be a junkie working her program) who attempted suicide. She has without doubt benifited from public programs designed to get her sorry ass off the street, into treatment and back to school so that she can start her life over again.
Troy would like that chance too.
“Monkeyfister”Good to see another swabby aboard.
Hey Bubba, I have nothing to get over.
You do if you’re posting 600 words of scolding.
Noen,
That is where I disagree. You said:
This always trips you nutcases up doesn’t it? Of course she has that right. What she doesn’t have is the right to say whatever pops into her head without getting criticized for it.
You are certainly correct when you say that she can be criticized, no problem there but I want you to tell me how you are a pig or a loathsome cunt is criticism. Criticism is, Hey, I think you are wrong about this guy, why don’t you get your facts straight before you write a story like this.
I am now being critical of your response, this is how it should work. Imagine if I would have just said “what kind of comment is that you lop eared four eyed bugger eating moron?”
That is name calling, not criticism. BTW, that was an example, I don’t know you and cannot say if you are lop eared or not…
Hi Big Dog,
Funny seeing you here. You said:
“How about acting like adults and trying to carry on intelligent conversations without personal attacks.”
I find this ironic considering some of the comments you & your commenters make:
Big Dog (10/14/07): “Harry Reid, the low life, scum sucking maggot…”
Patsy (10/13/07, comment attacking former general Sanchez): “He just BETRAYED his men, the American people and the President.” [My comment: Naturally you didn’t smack her down for criticizing the military}
And on 10/10/07, you wrote the following gem of stupidity:
“New York City will become the latest entity to acquiesce to the Muslims by illuminating the Empire State Building with green lights in celebration of the Muslim holiday of Eid. The green lights will begin Friday and mark the first time Eid has been celebrated by such an event in the Big Apple. This will also become an annual event as more of this country submits to the will of the pedophile prophet, Mohammad.”
I also can’t forget that you used to have a graphic on your web page of a dog alternately urinating on Reid and Murtha.
Where can I buy a can of that indignation you’re drinking?
BigDoggie
“Free Speech is not free and if they offend some people they will have to take responsibility for their words.”
“Tests showed that Kennedy’s carotid was 70% blocked which really explains quite a bit. Kennedy is usually incoherent and babbles about a lot of things. It is just a given that since he is a liberal he would babble on but now it appears that his brain only received 30% of the amount of oxygenated blood that it should have (at least the quantity provided by one carotid) so this might explain why he sounds retarded.”
Ann Coulter’s new book is If Democrats had any Brains they’d be Republicans so it might have been a waste of money to do the surgery since he does not have, according to her, any brains that would need oxygen. In any event, I would think that a reduced blood flow to his brain would be OK since he killed off most of his brain cells with all the booze. Matter of fact, they ought to be careful letting all that hi octane ethanol enhanced blood flow back into his cranial cavity because that much booze at once might make him a vegetable, though who would really know.”
BigDog also has a photo of a noose with these words next to it:
“Recently the news has had a few stories about nooses being hung and how it is a hate crime. I think it is as much an expression of free speech as is burning a Flag (which is a true hate crime). Therefore, I am hanging this noose as an expression of free speech.”
“It is amazing to me that people who will bash our soldiers at every opportunity they get and will call our guys killers and torturers will jump to defend them when someone else asks a question.”
That is one of Rush Limbaugh’s little fucking fantasies…
Bashing George Bush is NOT bashing the Troops.
Bashing General Patraeus SHILLING for George Bush is NOT bashing the Troops.
Bashing Dick Cheney for being a fucking Vampire is NOT bashing the Troops.
Bashing the Invasion and Occupation of Iraq and the stupid warmongering bigots that continue to masturbate to Dubya’s Folly is NOT bashing the Troops.
And what is wrong with not buying Dixie Chicks albums if you don’t like what they say. You see, I believe they had every right to say what they wanted but I have every right not to buy their music. There is nothing wrong with that.
Um, yes. I agree.
But how do you feel about organizing rallies where piles of their CDs are run over with bulldozers because you didn’t like what they said?
Nah, Bubba not so and there were only 304 words in my original comment. It is OK, I understand hyperbole…
I don’t scold moonbats, it is like trying to teach a pig to sing and all.
I’m not saying the Holocaust didn’t happen; I’m just saying that people who believe too strongly in it are probably pushing some sort of Jew-agenda.
What? Don’t I have the right to ask questions?
I still don’t agree with much of what they say, but there does seem to be actual people who are conservative, and at the same time, are not members of the “Cult of Conservatism”. Basically normal people, in other words.
Nonsense. We have been being told that there is some redeeming value in conservatism for years and maybe 30 years ago it may have had some, some validity but if you think we are remotely in that time now you are not paying attention. Name one thing a “good conservative” stopped these freaks from doing?
In conserva-world it is ok to think every liberal is evil, that is OK but we are always to buy this horseshit that there is some mythical “good conservative” out there.
Liberals have been naïve for far too long thinking that somehow since “Good old Uncle Ernie says he is a conservative and he ain’t so bad, he means well” that there is some redeeming value in today’s conservatism. The fact is, Uncle Ernie will go into that voting booth and pull the lever for the next freak the right foists on the nation and supports by mocking purple heart winners and stalking children or anyone who has the audacity to call them what they, a cult which is taking the world to hell.
Ron Paul. Is this a “good conservative”? I believe he fashions himself a “libertarian”. What are his redeeming features? He speaks out against a foolish, plan free, horror war any jackass can see for the folly it is, is that it? No, Paul is a typical libertarian, which means he is a Republican who does not want to take the blame for all the shortsighted policies of the Rushized right so he sits on what he thinks is a fence and throws stones. Oh, there is one difference between him than the full-fledged mouth breathers, other than his stand on the war, all he wants will destroy the nation faster than even the Mittster’s deceptive horseshit. That’s all I’ll say about Libertarians, sans the war, they are much worse than todays Republicans.
I hear this “Oh, Pat Buchannan is no Dick Cheney.” Bullshit. First of all, like all of what some people foolishly see as a “good conservative” – like them all – Pat will do as the rest, when Nov ’08 rolls around he will go in and vote for that next freak the right rolls out. Pat has no influence, he has less than good old Uncle Ernie, so what the fuck good is he? He sits on Matthews’ show and occasionally snipes at Bush in between pushing the usual cult hosreshit? The point being that even those people named as “good conservatives” have ABSOLUTELY NO POWER, NONE. What the fuck good are they when the day comes they will support and vote to drag us further into the theocratic fascist abyss.
Hell, they try to act like someone like Bob Dole is old school conservative. Dole, that crusty old horses’ ass, talked about how he wasn’t so sure about Kerry’s scratch that gave him the Purple Heart. They are a cult and they do not care about America, they only care about their Rush conditioned ideology.
These are soulless people who have turned their souls over to this disgusting cult, they have been conditioned into an alternate reality. Bush 43 was the first graduate of the cult of Rush. Wait’ll you get a load of the ones years from now. If you don’t think the groundwork isn’t being laid to push these people to violence you are being very naïve, this will get much worse before it gets better. Rush, all cult leaders, do not give up control because they see the “light”…if they see the light they lose their grip on the minds of their followers, you think Rush gives a damn about this country? Seriously?
Now give me who, Gullianni? Now there is piece of work. I am sure some of his supporters would tell you how level headed he is because he gives moderate lip service to some issues. All he truly wants is war, after war, after war. He’s a tough guy. Is that what you call a “good conservative”? Bullshit.
Funny how the left has sat back and watched as this group of treasonous (yes they shred the constitution and in a sane world Bush and his gang would be looking at hard time for treason) but the left has sat back and watched this alternate reality take hold. Remember, liberals are controlled by Michael Moore because some of them go see a documentary by him every three or four years. But the right with day in and day out lying propaganda? No a totally false reality is cool for the right, they area “free thinkers”.
Name one candidate on the right who will NOT name more theocratic anti worker, Bill of Right’s hating freaks to the Supreme Court, name one? You can’t. Any of their candidates will finish off the country through the legal system. They know the Supreme Court is the game and Perkins and Dobson will fall in line after anyone because they know that is how they will change this nation. That is how they will get to make sure their kids, and OUR kids are taught the earth is 5000 years old and cave men rode around on Trex. Why do you think Falwell and Robertson are training “lawyers”? Only one reason, to bend the nation further theocratic and fascist “legally” and there isn’t a candidate out there on the right who not help them achieve that.
But remember, the left is being bought because US citizen Soros gives a paltry what? 30 million to liberal causes over the last few years. Somehow WE are bought. The right’s biggest funder and molder of thought has EASILY been non citizen Sun Myung Moon with billions in OVERSEAS SWINDLED cash to front groups and extremists theocrats like Falwell and Lahaye. Funny, Reagan accepts Moon as a player on the right and 25 years later the right who we all are scratching our heads over what they have become is now a union hating, authoritarian, homophobic and theocratic movement exactly what Moon wanted and why he spent the billions. Yet, we are bought by Soros, they aren’t even told the role their sugar daddy Moon played in molding their views, they do not know. They think this all happened yesterday.
No, conservatism is a cult and there is no redeeming value in it anymore. Raven closes her comments, why? You know why. They can’t stand the truth for it makes a cultee feel cornered and they have to run or attack with what Rush gave them to fight with, lies and distortions. But what you don’t see yet, is that as this cult continues to be exposed, the more the world laughs at them, the worse they will get. That fool thinks PTSD was just invented by a ‘liberal’ mindset. Good God. Reality be damned – shut down the comments quick.
Here’s what a good “peace” loving people do when they are conditioned as the right and they feel they are doing God’s will and also feel they are being exposed as deceptive frauds…feel threatened…
http://tinyurl.com/yu4kus
I know they say some of the same things I am saying here but sooner or later the nation is going to have to decide who is right and unfortunately half the nation is controlled and they will never, NEVER see anything but what Rush and thier cult leaders create for them…conservatism is a national security issue…
If the people who are running over them bought them they are free to do what the want with them. I think it is a bit foolish to buy one to run over it because they still get the money, but once you buy it you are free to do what you want with it.
I would rather people destroy their own property than to destroy stuff that does not belong to them like a recruiter’s office.
Big Dog, a caricature of high regard on the Intertubes.
Big dog, take your hypocritical troll self and toodle back to the junkie whore’s for some bacon chili.
So Big Dog, if someone buys an American Flag?
No More,
You say that Conservatives think it is ok to brand liberals as evil and God knows you libs woiuld never do that. Of course, some Dick said this in the comments here:
Nothing really new here, except that they took off the mask. Modern conservativism (since Goldwater and possibly before) has always been a cesspool. It is at heart an inherently evil philosophy.
There is name calling from both sides and there are good and bad people of both political beliefs. There are far left wackos and far right wackos. Most people have more in common than not.
BTW, his name was Dick…
I’m not saying that lynchings never happened; I’m just saying that people who make a big deal out of them are probably insufficiently loyal to their own race.
What?
Stop Flight 93 to Mecca Part II
“The Memorial Groves are built into the crescent of what was originally called the Crescent of Embrace. The crescent forms part of the symbolic heavens in architect Paul Murdoch’s crescent and star shaped design. Infidels cannot be memorialized in the Islamic heavens, so the 38 Memorial groves have to be a memorial to someone else. Who?
The Tower array contains nineteen nested crescents of various lengths, some as short as two trees, the same as with the Memorial Groves. Using arcs as short as two trees long is Murdoch’s trick for hiding the number of nested crescents in the Tower array. It isn’t until one finds the 19 nested crescents in the Memorial Groves, where the shortest crescent is made up of only 2 groves, that one knows to count the pairs of trees as crescents.”
This was just tooooooo funny. You taking all your meds BigDoggie?
Nah, Bubba not so and there were only 304 words in my original comment.
The second was about as long, so ~600 which is what I counted.
Look, you’re really coming off like an idiot trying to defend civility when you’re obviously just an asshole. Why not drop the gloves and say what you really think?
would rather people destroy their own property than to destroy stuff that does not belong to them like a recruiter’s office.
Deft non-sequitur!
You didn’t see anything creepy about the anti-Dixie-Chicks hatefest?
FWIW, I thought what Natalie Maines said was seriously wrong. She said:
“Just so you know, we’re on the good side with y’all. We do not want this war, this violence, and we’re ashamed that the President of the United States is from Texas.”
How wrong can you get? He’s not from Texas – he’s a carpetbagger from Connecticut.
Ok, Big Dog is a troll. Just wants attention and the glorious high of being noticed by libruls.
Honestly, why do wingnuts so desperately crave the attention of those they claim to loathe? It’s almost as if they base their entire existence on being a negative image of their perceived other.
Freedom, little man, is having the courage to self-define.
Well, Raven has closed comments and has declared victory. That’s the home court advantage for you.
Save the attacks for people in the public’s eye like the politicians.
And crippled 12-year-old boys, right?
Nurse Big Dog thinks that the Navy-less & Air Force-less ‘Islamofascists’ are invading our heavily-armed country and are going to take it over in our lifetime as evidenced by the fact that there is one (1!) Muslim Congressman. He also thinks CAIR and the ACLU are some of the most powerful groups in our country.
So, no, he’s not taking his meds. He spilled them while hiding under his bed the other day and has had to resort to licking them thru the matted carpet.
Did you guys realize he gave his stamp of approval to defunding the troops the other day? If a Democrat wins the Presidency, Big Dog will abandon the troops (and Commander-in-Chief) so fast, it’ll make your head spin.
http://www.onebigdog.net/kender-has-a-plan/
A hypocrite is someone who preaches free speech and tolerance and then shows none when someone like Raven expresses an opinion.
I thought a hypocrite was someone who publicly condemns gays and secretly is one. You know, like half of the GOP.
I do take that back, Billy Joe is a dick.
I am not a troll, I could not comment on your cess pool with ARS comments closed so I thought I would come here and comment. I knew I would find you in a circle jerk discussing how great you are. But I can see that I am not welcome here so I will leave. It will give you a chance to call me names and say I could not take it so I left. Either way, I don’t give a rat’s ass.
Billy why don’t you take a few more things out of context. You can kiss my ass.
BigDoggie is friends with Kender, on of the more vile trolls and friend to Raven
“My friend Kender over at Kendeer’s musings has a plan to rid the country of liberals and their failed policies. It is quite radical and might not pan out for a while and it will certainly be painful in the end.”
And here is what Kender thinks is a wonderful idea:
Put Up or Shut Up–The Plan to Destroy the Democratic Socialists
So Kendal and “BigDog” are advocating felony tax evasion along with the deliberate trashing of the entire American economy just to score political points. Way to take the high road.
Ummm, wow. Big Dog has a set a new record for illegibility on a blog.
Fix that header graphic, boy.
But I can see that I am not welcome here so I will leave. It will give you a chance to call me names and say I could not take it so I left. Either way, I don’t give a rat’s ass.
Big Dog is obviously some kind of turd-eating closet case. I imagine there’s nothing arrest-worthy there, but it’s going to be sad when the police find him in the wetsuits with the dildo up his ass.
My fathers war could beat up your fathers war.
Oh Big Dog, don’t cut and run. Surely you realized the implications of Kender’s plan to defund the government once a Democrat takes over, didn’t you? Of course the troops would be defunded, too.
But it doesn’t matter for you guys. All you care about is Republican victories. If the Republicans can’t succeed, you’d rather deny the Democrats a chance at success, even if it means defunding the government and abandoning US troops without bullets.
Great plan there! I’m actually surprised Kender got a mention at Sadly, No! I didn’t realize they’d have any interest in such low hanging fruit.
But I can see that I am not welcome here so I will leave.
Hee hee
First of what – five? wounded goodbyes from the uncivil liberal hordes? Interspersed with a few furious slaps at the dirty hippies?
The right insult will bring him back easy. Not a bad one with “turd-eating closet case”, there, Bubba.
BigDoggie:
“Billy why don’t you take a few more things out of context. You can kiss my ass.”
And BigDoggie is used to geting a little tongue action:
“Your work will bring you to the top Dog, just like the Big Dog you are. I have attracted such good Authors that I am having trouble even coming up for air on the Grizzly Groundswell. The cream certainly raises to the top. Day in and Day out we get it done!”
From his “about” page:
“I can not stand liberalism and feel it is a disease that eats away, like a cancer, at the fabric of our society. I also believe that if this country does not stop pandering to special interest groups and does not stop taking away the rights guaranteed under our Constitution, and if they do not stop creating a welfare class of dependent people, there will be another civil war. It will start as an uprising to take the government over from the politicians who have lost all touch with the core values of this country. Then anarchy will set in followed by civil war.
So it is up to us to eradicate liberalism so we can prevent the next civil war.”
I guess that’s just more of BigDoggie’s even handed common sense.
Not a bad one with “turd-eating closet case”, there, Bubba.
Well Sam, I am not a politically correct person at all. I speak my mind and I could care less who I offend when doing so. I call a spade for a spade when needed. I also swear a whole lot – get ever it.
You know, I’m going to be saying “get ever it” a lot and nobody’s going to know what the fuck I’m talking about.
So there weren’t any psych casualties from the Second World War, eh? That’s real interesting for me to hear, as I remember spending so many days during my childhood during the sixties down at Building 22 at the Bay Pines Veterans Hospital visiting my father, a disabled veteran of that war, when he was a patient there as he so often was.
The first floor of Building 22 was the administrative and admittance section. The third floor was the open ward with the spacious disinfectant-smelling rooms with their screened balconies. The second floor was the locked ward with the double electric doors and the rooms with wrestling mats hung up on the walls.
You know, when I read lines like this, I lose respect and sympathy…does that make me cruel or cold?
The liberal mindset is what causes PTSD.
The men of the past are a lost breed.
Lost, yeah. My father is buried in the Veterans’s Cemetery at Bay Pines.
Big Dog is your average, run-of-the-mill ‘Christian’-authoritarian exterminationist.
Perhaps we owe him a debt of gratitude though: He volunteered to be on vaseline patrol for the Gathering of Eagles stand-around-and-heckle-fest that coincided with the anti-war march in DC last month. It seems someone – a liberal, asserts Big Dog, without any evidence whatsoever – smeared vaseline on the Vietnam Memorial prior to the march and BD felt compelled to defend the memorial because I guess the police weren’t enough.
However, he’s not going to go participate in his favorite war against ‘the greatest danger America has ever faced’ though. Go figure! Maybe if terrorists were smearing vaseline on the walls of the green zone he’d change his mind?
Modern conservativism (since Goldwater and possibly before) has always been a cesspool. It is at heart an inherently evil philosophy.
Goldwater agrees. Funny, Goldwater said in 1961 that he begged republicans to call themselves “conservatives” but they refused – they wanted to be called “progressives” and “liberals”…hear that here:
http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/forum/audio.html
now what did Goldwater say before he died?
http://www.azcentral.com/specials/special25/articles/0531goldwater2.html
The republican party taken over by a bunch of Kooks!!!”
Needless to say “conservatives” threw Goldwater under the bus long ago…
Goldwater LOST this fight.
Goldwater lost that fight bigtime.
Ugh. This disgusting blob of protoplasm is not representative of the nursing profession. She is an ugly example of the Nurse Ratchet caricature. Love your nurse, because she/he acts on her/his compassion for you without precondition. Kick this Raven piece of shit to the curb with the rest of the garbage.
I’m with you on this, mentioned this tosser to my wife, who has been a nurse for about 15 years (until the shit wages drove her out last year). With her history of drug abuse, and potential psychopathic nature, my wife doubts she is even an ERT, hoping against hope that she is not a nurse. For even an ERT to state that there is no such thing as PTSD gives it away, in her opinion, that this Raven woman is faking it. If she is employed in a medical facility, she is, at best, in a non medical role, as a porter or cleaner and even the she thinks this in unlikely.
The other likelihood, again, in her (my wife’s opinion), is that the junkie story is also bullshit, as ex junkies just dont talk like that.
Oh, and big dog, give it up, your getting pawned here!
There is name calling from both sides and there are good and bad people of both political beliefs.
Look at that serioulsy and historically and it is conditioned horseshit.
What you haven’t done is look back to see how we got here. Why do you think Coulter wrote “Slander”? Or better yet, what is its purpose?
She wrote it because she knew, as most conservative leaders, that liberals have foolishly sat back for 30 years thinking that the truth and an honest desire for good would win out in our nation politically – it had in the past. Now, the left is awakening to the fact that it is not true anymore, that a seriously flawed ideology can and has won. “Slander” is simply a lesson in mind control. She tells you that the liberals are going to call you names – because it was bound to happen the names are usually “theocrat” and “fascist” which you hate the most, btw, and both are accurate.
But, note where this started in earnest and by who. I remember Rush likening Tom Daschle to “Satan” many YEARS ago. Now that the left is awakening the Coulter’s have to tell their cult, “Oh, those nasty liberals will call you names.” So when the right is correctly called theocratic, fascist, and an un-American Constitution pissing on movement they are pre programmed not to listen. “Ann told me they would call me that.”
Seriously, think back to where this vitriol started. Right winger, Frum wrote in “Dead Right” maybe 20 years ago, he said that the right would NEVER win elections if the debate was honest. The nation does not support what they want, they simply do not. Conservatives leaders know that. Whether it is healthcare, minimum wage, you name it. So the right knew they had to lie, deceive and manipulate people if they were ever to “win” so they did.
Look at Newt’s “GOPAC memo” – that was not an attempt to convince people conservatism was a good ideology it was an effort to manipulate minds through language control, a mind control technique. Now you have Lakoff trying to recoup the orginal meaning of words and so you may say “You do it too.” But like with most things right wingers have no sense of history or of degree, proportion.
Rush’s show is brilliant if you like people being lied to and manipulated. He tells his listeners what any cult leader would, that they are being persecuted, under siege; the “liberal media” is out to get them. This is EXACTLY what cult leaders do to control their followers and Rush plays the cult card like no other. George Wallace made a living telling people they are being persecuted.
But do you remember a guy named Lee Atwater? How about the father of the personal attack ad? Terry Dolan who was funded by Moon. The disgusting political discourse in this country was molded by the right and for good reason, without it they do NOT WIN and you may not know or understand this but Republican politicians and your cult’s leaders know it well.
The new right created this destructive political environment and liberals may lash out but if you don’t admit as to where and how it all started you are nothing more than a chump for your cult leaders, nothing more.
No More,
Good writing, but I think our wingnut friend, Big Dog, picked up his toys and stormed off to his house. And he wrote a post about the butt kicking he got here!
http://www.onebigdog.net/sadly-no-humans-exist-there/
I never realized he was a male nurse. That might explain why he’s always trying to act like such a hardass – he’s overcompensating so his wingnut friends won’t accuse him of being soft. Maybe I should have got a clue sooner…
A hypocrite is someone who preaches free speech and tolerance and then shows none when someone like Raven expresses an opinion.
Raven has free speech. No one here took away her right to say what she wants on her own blog, and for that matter, no one here said she wasn’t perfectly welcome to come say it over here. We don’t ban, or close comments.
But free speech is *not* the right to say what you want and not have people criticize, and yes, even mock or insult, you for saying it.
And incidentally, we’re all bored to death with “You’re intolerant of our intolerance so that makes you the real intolerants!”
It’s bullshit. I will cheerfully be as intolerant as I can of people who use intolerance to hurt innocent bystanders. I will do so in the profound hope that it makes you pinheads too ashamed of yourselves to keep it up. Then the bystanders can go back to being who they are, and I can go back to being tolerant of people who are tolerant of me. But if you do not extend that tolerance in the first place, you cannot expect anyone else to extend it to you.
It is not hypocritical to share your birthday cake with the room but not with someone who intends to eat the whole thing. It is not hypocritical to refuse to lend money to the one person who refuses to pay it back. It is common sense. And it is not hypocritical to refuse to respect or tolerate someone who has no intention of extending that courtesy to others.
Billy Joe, I see what you mean.
Lil’ Puppy says:
Like I said, they are in a controlled mind set and they will not get out of it. He’s too far up Rush’s butt to ever get out. Every talking point Rush, O’reilly and Coulter have shoved down his throat is his little world now… it is safe now for he knows where all the boogie men are because they told him. I always get a big belly laugh when they say people can’t think for themselves, he lives in an alternate reality and so ‘others’ can’t think for themselves. I didn’t see one point he made I couldn’t have posted for him; they are so predictable.
But the funniest thing is he took it all personally, like “he” was attacked. I don’t think anyone here gives a rat’s ass about Lil Puppy, there is not one iota of difference between him and any other controlled troll.
noticed also he didn’t link to this thread so his reader could see how he was chewed up and spit out…. I am sure they would love to see the child molesting promoting lovefest being pushed here.
What a disgusting little man. Typical.
Jesus. I just got home from an evening out listening to John Waters give a speech to some people, and when I come here there’s Dog Shit all over the place!!!! What happened?
In conserva-world it is ok to think every liberal is evil, that is OK but we are always to buy this horseshit that there is some mythical “good conservative” out there.
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The republican party taken over by a bunch of Kooks!!!”
Needless to say “conservatives” threw Goldwater under the bus long ago…
No More, I’m not saying that the “Conservative Movement” is anything but the proto-fascist movement that we continually dissect here. And I don’t agree with much that Ron Paul or Bob Dole say (though I gotta give Ron Paul proper respect for saying that the War On Terror is horseshit, on TV). I also don’t want to overstate the power and influence of conservatives like Goldwater on the rest of the Conservatives. Finally, I certainly do not expect conservatives to save me from the “Conservative Movement”, as that would be absurd and naive.
What I was saying was much more modest and basic. I was saying that there are conservatives, who, apparently like Goldwater, are not really part of the “Conservative Movement”, and who don’t believe that liberals are evil. I was saying that there are conservatives who, in addition to having conservative political beliefs, act like normal people. These conservatives often have similar reactions to the “Conservative Movement” to the reactions liberals have, like: “what a bunch of childish, nasty, insane idiots” kind of reactions.
I think some of the people at antiwar.com are that kind. John Cole could be another one. Maybe Goldwater was one. John Dean could be another.
That’s all I’m saying. Normal, sane conservatives do exist.
Holy shit!! my girlfriend’s head is going to spin when she see this!! why, you ask? Well, she’s months away from finishing her doctorate in clinical Psychology. She’s worked in a VA center. PTSD is not real??? oh noes, time to switch that major.
Max Cleland blew himself up when he dropped the grenade he was playing with
“Playing with?”
Please go fuck yourself with a rusted machete, get tetanus and go die quietly in a corner.
If the war in Iraq is so important that we need to keep mentally ill soldiers in the field, why isn’t Ms. Raven in the military?
Or at the very least demanding that we enact a war tax to pay for the Iraq War and show our nation’s resolve to this long struggle?
Oooh, when do we get to point out that all those people ‘supposedly’ suffering from cancer after being exposed to Agent Orange/Agent Blue are faking it??!?!??!!
Hmm.
Her bio omits any mention of military experience.
Perhaps several tours will help her answer her own question, “How does one decipher whether a person is truly mentally ill, or is exploiting their battle experiences to their fullest advantage?”
One thing to remember is that, thanks to improvements in military medicine, this war is bringing home soldiers who, quite simply, would have died in Vietnam, Korea or WWII. Soldiers are returning home with injuries far more grievous than those seen by most survivors of previous conflicts. We’re discharging soldiers from Iraq who wouldn’t even have made it to the field hospital in previous wars; that changes the psyche in ways we cannot hope to understand.
I agree with Raven on this one, all the real men died out in the late nine hundreds. Why I remember back in the day Vlad the Impaler could skewer his idealogical foes anus first onto large greesed polls all day long with nary a peep about “post tramatic stress”. Now there was a man, he only let the tortured screams of his victims creep into his dreams in a good way. And if any of his minions would have complained about any mental trauma they would have found themselves on the wrong end of a pointed stick.
Republican/Conservative politics can be described neatly in one word: THWART.
Don’t let the “Democrat party” get a win. EVAR.
See an earmark for a $4B nuclear waste incinerator to be placed in downtown Houston? Sounds great! Repeal regulations that keep mining companies from decapitating mountain-tops in West Verginia? That’s Red State deliciousness, and besides, the water in those creeks seems to be kinda sludgy these days anyway. How about an American Flag factory, to be staffed by snowflake babies? Ooooh, no… That’s liberal pork, baby — right in the middle of Rep. Two-Shoes (D-BFE)’s district.
There’s a name for someone who says No just for the sake of saying No: Morris. No, that’s not right. It’s DICK.
I forgot the main point of my post: It’s the poisonous legacy of Newt Gingrich and Tom DeLay. There might be some idealistic conversative out there, with his heart in the right place (and who knows, maybe even with some decent ideas), but the poor fucker doesn’t have a chance, not in today’s environment.
That being said, there are promising signs that the wheels are coming off the Repub jalopy… I think this most recent interaction with Mr Biggus Doggus is instructive: The dude withered in the face of facts backed with honest ideology. Maybe he’ll see that “ZOMG!!! Mooslims!!!!11!!!” has some, er, infrastructural flaws as a philosophy. It’ll take time and we need to be compassionate as we do it, but we can win these people over. I like what Sara Robinson had to write about it over at Orcinus.
Wow. Big Dog’s post on this might be the [sic]est thing I’ve ever read.
Do wingnuts want English to be made the official language of the US so they can find help to finish learning it?
Modern “conservatism” is rife with fetid, rotting swine feces. May their tiny shriveled hearts be ripped from their chests and buried in Gitmo.
Old Big Dog has this bit of wit under the noose on his website:
“Recently the news has had a few stories about nooses being hung and how it is a hate crime. I think it is as much an expression of free speech as is burning a Flag (which is a true hate crime). Therefore, I am hanging this noose as an expression of free speech.”
Why not go whole hog, dog? Be brave and post a swastika as an expression of your “free speech.” After all, there’s a lot fewer Jews than Blacks. And, we could all see what a “freedom fighter” you really are.
I love the way he started out with the classical “troll manners” and, when unmasked, started spewing reflexive hatespeak and then got his widdle feewings awww hurted and left mad.
Hope you didn’t make him cry. He might not be able to see well enough to tie his nooses.
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