…….
Every nightmare I ever have again will be your fault now, Gavin.

I think that’s Minnie Mouse’s evil cousin.

Neat neat neat outfit. Now, wait for the blackout.

This actually confirms something I’ve long suspected, we’re actually being governed by performance artists who are just trying to see what they can get away with. Because there’s no other explanation for this.

Jesus. I woke up next to her back in 1983.
Back then, it was easy to blame the drugs.
I can’t quite figure out what to blame now.

I still say that I would rather see her have a lobotomy than a makeover.

But who knows, maybe without our peculiar image obsession the US wouldn’t be the great CNN-goes-FoxBlond paragon that it is today.

it wouldn’t be the Prelude to Nazi Germany without a little Weimar-style Cabaret, now would it?

Awww hell … all that’s missing are some Valkyries, uber-blonde boys and the chains. Christ almighty, if the GOP is not the party of the creepiest, nastiest, weirdest people in this country … and they think San Francisco is teh gay.

You can just see Lindsey Graham going over to visit this monstrosity … Vitter will be calling her right quickly, and that Florida Gooper who’s afraid of black men so he offers them 20 bucks and a blowjob, well, let’s just say he’s getting very excited.

Life is a cabaret, old chum.

She makes Coulter look dainty. And check out the bizarre attempt to conceal the adams apple.

Wow, she looks like she just stepped out of Resident Evil. I believe that’s the Umbrella logo around her neck.

Look, I know none of us can help the way we’re made, but we can probably help the way we dress. If you’re going to spend that kind of money, you more than likely can.

Christ almighty, if the GOP is not the party of the creepiest, nastiest, weirdest people in this country … and they think San Francisco is teh gay.

Yeah, if the GOP would just be a little more heterosexual and presentable they could bomb the shit out of any country that they wanted to.

OMG LOOK YOU GUYS, HITLER IS QUARTER JOOOOOO!!!

Vote SPD.

Performance artists. You mean drag queens?

I mean…..wow. Those are the two images that opo-up in a Google search (my link and the photo above).

the thing around her neck is apparently the Hungarian Commander’s Cross of Merit. see: http://www.huembwas.org/News2/56Emb2005.htm

Consider me partly relieved. Are there mitigating circumstances for her hair as well?

So some speculate that the cross is a Finnish Order of the Lion, which was given to WWII heroes. Hmmmm.

oops

I’m more and more convinced that the Daily Mail ran this 2 year old photo along with their present-day article about Cagan’s “I hate all Iranians” eruption precisely because they had the same reaction to the photo that we did.

Maybe it’s the way the photo was taken, but those eyes look freaky. Like they’re gonna jump out of the sockets and eat me.

LOOKISM!!1

If the Iranians took a look at her I’m sure the feeling would be mutual.

Every Iranian I’ve ever met has been the soul of courtesy and kindness. A dear friend of mine is Iranian. And our $@^!# government wants to #&$^@! nuke them.

I’ve advised my Iranian friends to have their relatives back home move to campsites as near as they can get to the Iranian oil fields. You can bet your ass we won’t be dropping any nukes there…

That’s not a good picture, but we can’t all be Michelle Malkin, know what I’m saying?

Anyone remember Janet Reno?

Look … what Cagan said is infinitely more objectionable than how she looks.

And what she said is vile. This woman needs to be fired, stat.

Jason Robards?

I can’t stop myself:

*******************
Can you tell whats on my mind
She’s with him its driving me wild
I’d like to hit Ahmadinejad on the head until hes dead
The sight of blood is such a high

Ooooohhhh

He gives me Ahmadinej-head
We made it on a ballroom blitz
I took his arms and kissed his lips
He looked at me with such a smile my face turned red
We booked a room into the ritz

Ooooohhhh

He gives me Ahmadinej-head

Persian boy Persian girl
Im gonna take you round the world
Persian boy Im gonna make you penetrate

Im gonna make you be a girl

Ooooohhhh

Persian boy Persian girl

I know Im only just 43.
I like to kick I like to scream
And even if I had a kick or two in bed with him
You know its just a dream

Ooooohhhh

He gives me Ahmadinej-head
Persian boy Persian girl

Im gonna take you round the world

Persian boy Im gonna make you penetrate

Im gonna make you be a girl

Ooooohhhh

Persian boy Persian girl

The other day what a suprise
I saw him with some other Mullahs
Gotta leave his burkah off with a girl around his neck
I could have cried with both my eyes

Ooooohhhh

He gives me Ahmadinej-head

And if and when I make it though
Or if my brains black and blue
And when the free world trusts you to foget all that
You know Ill still remember you

Ooooohhhh

You gave me Ahmadinej-head

Persian boy Persian girl
Im gonna take you round the world
Persian boy Im gonna make you penetrate
Im gonna make you be a girl

Ooooohhhh

Persian boy Persian girl

Dammit Gav! You beat me again.

zsa,

I appreciate your sentiments, I really do. But this nazi gasbag looks like Perry Farrell, dresses like Michael Jackson and talks like Josef Goebbels whereas Janet Reno was merely homely.

You can’t take the ugly out of the woman, but you can’t…Um…

You can take the woman out of the…No, that’s not it.

You can’t take the…Shit.

You know, that old saying that she’d be ugly even if she was beautiful because the ugly is on the inside!!!

mikey

OMG! I thought the photo was some kind of sick joke!

I think it goes without saying, but that woman does not look good in crimson leatherette.

Note: The picture is from a Hungarian Embassy orgy/iron cross celebration from 1995. No word from the Mail what she wore while declaring her hate of Persians.

Normally I’d agree with you, Zsa, but there’s something about her demeanor in that picture that would have made her ugly no mater how good she might have looked otherwise.

Debra Cagan’s ugliness isn’t an innocent condition of being for her; it’s a fucking lifestyle choice.

This is all shameful looksism. Replace that choker with some celery before I’m offended!

Mein Gott, gibt es wirklich Frau Farbissina!

Cagan was in Clinton’s admin as well.
And she always seems to be wearing something
http://www.mod.gov.ge/?l=E&m=11&sm=3&st=60&id=646
around her neck. Could be someone tried to cut her throat & she has an awful scar, or it could be adam’s apple concealment, who knows?

What’s w/ the links? They all lead to S,N! archives, when they show at all in preview.

http://www.lsaphoto.com/ngjarja.php?idr=5&d=2007-09-25#

She’s got the Ann Coulter dress down.

Lesley pointed this one out, too.

No word from the Mail what she wore while declaring her hate of Persians.

Necklace of teeth? Shirt of scalps?

Hungarian embassy was in 2005, not 1995.

I’m not even going to try:
http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/7295.html#comment-290476

Dunno why, but suddenly I have a hankering for a red-pleather-n-dippity-do SAMMICH!

Great, we’re living in The Night Porter-land.

Holy crap, it’s Servelan.

(If you have no idea what I’m talking about, pat yourself on the back: you had a substantially less geeky childhood than I did. Don’t bother googling, it’s both obscure and basically uninteresting. If you got it immediately: I’m so, so sorry.)

Red & green should never be seen. . .

How do you link to a specific comment in a thread?

So what, Miss Teen East Germany got rattled. It happens!

That single photo will do more to advance the belief that alien reptile Raëlians actually do exist and control our affairs than anything else imaginable.

Yeah Hanxmeister! 🙂 Thanks J! M. Bouffant provided additional “googly woogly” linkage.
http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/7295.html#comment-290476

caption competition for the couple in the background shurely. . . .

Yeah, I appreciate the appreciation but fairly the thanks should go to someone who spotted this before I did, like M Bouffant from yesterday, ’cause I don’t think I saw that but it was a whole day before I posted anything. Thanks but please update. I know I followed a link from someone else — I think it was a commenter on Glenn Greenwald.

http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/7295.html#comment-290511

Clinton admin: http://clinton2.nara.gov/WH/New/Russia/briefings1.html

if Cagan keeps up the face liftage, she may soon look like this.

M. Bouffant-

How do you link to a specific comment? I saw you do it above. I think it would help me credit my fellow commenters when I get ideas from them.

t4toby

There’s a timestamp next to the date, click on that and you will be amazed1!!1

THAT’S A MAN BABY!

Seriously, she makes Mann Culter look like that hot French anchorwoman.

t4toby its the timestamp.

t4toby: Use the time in the comment’s time stamp. So, for example:

t4toby said,
October 2, 2007 at 0:22

How do you link to a specific comment in a thread?

Clicking on 0:22 will send you to your comment.

Proof again that true uglyness comes from within!

I really thought it was a man in drag –ugly drag at that!

That’s not a woman, baby! That’s a man!

http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/7315.html#comment-291950

Am just testing . .

Doc Memory, I’m trying to remember .. what’s his name? Avon? Something like that. Supercilious bastard. That was a good show, although the final episode sucked balls.

Servelan … now there was an ice-cold Nazi space-bitch.

I thought that was Rudy Ghouliani at another one of his fundraisers.

What a nightmare, I wouldn’t f__k “her” with Bea Arthur’s penis.

Remember the days when a comment like Cagan’s would have gone unmentioned by our longtime, stalwart allies?

==
Oh, and Ms. Cagan, you should retire and become a Bond Villain!
Your decades in the Eastern Block will serve you well…

Thank you, fellow S,no!ers.

It’s a man baby!

Zsa: yeah, that’s the one. (And yes, “Avon”.)

Either way, I’d hit it.

–

Look … what Cagan said is infinitely more objectionable than how she looks. – zsa

That’s true. I’m ashamed of y’all for picking on how she looks. Or I would be ashamed of y’all if seeing this picture hadn’t have placed in my head a medley of “Willkommen” (from Caberet), that song about the boys who sing cabaret and are proud to be gay and the original “Alabama Song” …

I notice the Daily Mail called her a “woman official”. Noteworthy in that it reflects ironically both on her and the newspaper.

[…] to you by Sexist Supposedly Liberal Doods (the link goes here, the comments both places are typically […]

Who the hell is that guy?

Well, while I’m being schooled…How do you get the link to ping back?

that’s a joke right? That is not an actual news photo is it?

it is so hard to separate news from parody these days

DAS, I think she’s more like the people who sing “Tomorrow Belongs to Me” — not the pretty Hitler-Youth boys who start the song, but the soul-ugly middle-agers who flick passionate spittle throughout the subsequent verses.

OK–so I’m a real librul and asked myself “Am I guilty of ‘lookism’ here, ‘cuz she ain’t right.” The outfit is strange, but apparently (the world according to google), the weird iron-cross-lookin’-thing around her neck was not originally part of the plan–in the photo she was just given the “Commander’s Cross Order of Merit” from some Hungarian dignitary. The red leather/vinyl/neoprene? thing I cannot explain, but she’s free to wear whatever she wants. . .
. . .then I thought “WTFf–she said she HATES all of a certain group of people–I see no reason not to make fun of her!”

Bush appointee=nutcase (As far as I can tell–except Gen. Petraus, of course)

t4toby — I’d love to help, but, well, sorry . . . I don’t ping.

No. That’s not right. That is not a person.

In her defense- she does have really soft hands, but that’s mostly cause she wrings rabbits necks to relieve stress.

I am sorry but I don’t see the point of this post. Who gives a fuck what Victoria Beckham’s evil elder sister thinks about Iran?

Best headline ever. I FELL IN LOVE WITH A VIDEO NASTAY

Cagan looks like something that would pop out of the chamber of that genome-fusing machine in “The Fly” if they put Ted Cassidy (aka Lurch) in one pod and Margaret Hamilton (aka The Wicked Witch of the West) in the other.

¡Ay, mira!

¡Eet ees Racer-X , weethout the helmet!

Or maybe thees Racer-X…

or thees one

I think one of the boys from brazil slipped thru the cracks

Just to stick up for the obvious here … I know she’s not a seriously good-lookin’ babe … and it’s taken restraint for me not to make a few choice remarks … and as an issue of personal style, combining Michael Jackson’s jacket, Annie Lennox’s hair, and Kaiser Wilhelm’s jewelry is not typically a recipe for high fashion … but for Gawd’s sake it’s totally irrelevant.

I have a serious thing for Asian chicks and I’d be all over Michelle Malkin like a dog in a bun (if you see where I’m going with this, and I think you do) (err, and if I weren’t, like, married and shit). But Malkin’s like a hundred times uglier than this lady. On the inside. Where it counts.

Unless DoD rules of engagement have seriously changed lately, we don’t have to sleep with Ms. Cagan, after all. We do have to point out that this kind of blatant racism is totally inappropriate for anyone representing our country in any capacity.

“She’s a man baby, yeah!”

This actually confirms something I’ve long suspected, we’re actually being governed by performance artists who are just trying to see what they can get away with. Because there’s no other explanation for this.

Back when Reagan was president I began to suspect that the entire American right-wing was actually a gigantic practical joke. If that’s true, someone needs to let these jokers know that the prank has gone on long enough.

And as far as Cagan is concerned… AIEEEEE!!!

I feel slightly bad for writing this.

On the other hand, I think she is putting a face to the enemy, an easy-to-make-fun-of face, at that.

Again, none of us can help how we’re made. People probably mock my looks all the time, and who cares, they’re just rude assholes. But back when my hair was neon green and I wore a bright pink miniskirt and purple patent leather heels (we’re not even going to discuss the lace-and-leather top combo), people certainly were justified in mocking my fashion sense.

I don’t mock ugly people. We can’t help it. I don’t mock short or fat people, they can’t either. I don’t mock people in hand-me-downs, because it’s bullying to pick on someone who can’t afford better. But if you go that far out of your way to show the world an unconventional image, you’re probably looking for a reaction and we should not be required to pretend you’re not.

Love handles? Polo shirt? Visible adam’s apple? Acne? Flannel? Hairy arms? Who cares. I’ve had a fabulous time with people with all of the above and more. Possibly even I could have a fabulous time with Ms Cagan, though probably not because I’m not into bigots. But if you’re going to dress like Michael Jackson in the zombie video, I’m allowed to mention it.

“Bring out the femBOTS!!”

I’m sorry I did that. We try to stay away from Austin Powers quotes but Jesus Christ, look at that picture again. What the hell. What the hell.

That picture – it looks every bit like she’s curtsying to the audience just before her rendition of “The Horst Wessel Lied”.

“Danke, danke! Und now meine damen un herren, eine kline leid von dem – dem – [whispering] wo sprechst du ‘Iranian’?”

(pardon the rusty high school german…)

¿De gustibus, disputandum est?

“Most people would say no. Of course not. What kind of stupid question is that?“

This pic, along with her words, are not going to help make Iranians any less paranoid about our intentions. This woman even scares me….I can see her recommending a thermo-nuclear attack…perhaps her plastic surgeon was an Iranian?

she could be a good looking babe… but she’s plastic baby! and vinyl! crap she would probably be naturally feminine without all the makeup

so for the radfembots: if that picture had no context what would you think? a Halloween getup? giving it more context makes it truly bizarre

mathpants said,

it wouldn’t be the Prelude to Nazi Germany without a little Weimar-style Cabaret, now would it?

No it wouldn’t. What gives with the iron cross? And is that really a woman?

These type of people are likely crawling all over our govenment as a result of the Bush Administration.

Come 2009, we’ll need a serious de-Bushification to get rid of all these nut cases.

“I mean, you used to be a dude, right”?

The Simpson’s Otto (“I like to get blotto”) to Homer’s sister-in-law

Well, being attractive or unattractive is one thing. There’s absolutely comments on this thread which are offensive and unhelpful, comparing her to a man and the like. I really wish people would cut that the fuck out.

In general, though, while some of the criticism is gendered (and unacceptably so), the structure of the criticism is not, as FLP (see trackback above) is insinuating. S,N goes after Jonah Goldberg and J-Pod in much the same way. And if the issue has suddenly switched to fat phobia, I recall a number of posts slagging on Jeff Goldstein’s appearance — and he’s a thin white male.

Finally, although a person’s appearance is generally irrelevant from a political standpoint, this is a humor website — and the correlation between an “evil Nazi alien warlord” presentation and an “evil Nazi alien warlord” message is absolutely a fair target for humor. Just the same as Bush’s ludicrous flight suit or Tancredo looking like a Satanic Johnny Cash or Rice wearing creepy thigh-high leather domme boots is relevant to political comedy.

Aw, hell. What D. Sidhe said.

feminist law professors link-er

yes there is some sexism here, but not much. mostly there’s appreciation for a good damned joke (and if you don’t understand that in both contexts it is meant this is probably a lost cause) and what is truly one of the strangest juxtapositions of horrifying outfits/make up jobs and quotes in human history. or herstory. it doesn’t matter. “i hate iranians” from the number 2 under gates?

Maybe to make things more balanced, we should find some left-wing fashion mistakes (or just fashion mistakes from people who like/respect).

He looks creepy.

Actually, being offensive and unhelpful is pretty much what I aspire to in life.

What gives with the iron cross?

The picture was taken at a function at the Hungarian embassy a couple years ago. I think the cross is an award Cagan got from the Hungarian government.

Maybe to make things more balanced, we should find some left-wing fashion mistakes (or just fashion mistakes from people who like/respect).

agreed – Michael Moore is fat!

oh wait thats not fashion….

It looks like an Nazi Iron Cross for a necklace.

Utterly, utterly, disturbing.

I don’t mock ugly people. We can’t help it.

hey, d. sidhe, what’s being mocked is the ugliness of evil more than appearance. Other images of this woman reveal her to be attractive (she kinda resembles Demi Moore). This is a bad photograph of her. We’ve all had bad photos taken. I once ripped an astoundingly hideous photo of myself from my sister’s fridge door (that bitch!).

and when blood-red leather is worn by hate-mongers it becomes mockable.

I thought Mick Jagger played Greta better.

Good grief, sisters, don’t get your panties in a knot.

It isn’t lookism to trash this woman’s fashion “sense”. She dresses and styles like someone desperate to stand out at a Rocky Horror revival. That is a disturbed person there, she’s representing the USA and she dresses that like that? If she wants to dress like that on her own time, dandy, but we pay her salary.

I don’t think sh’e that homely. A better cut of hair, certainly better make-up and certainly a nicer personality and people wouldn’t be making fun of her. Making fun of crazy dress is not sexist or looksist.

And what she said about Iranians… yeah, carzy person.

Zellaby said,

October 2, 2007 at 0:25

caption competition for the couple in the background shurely. . . .

Woman: Well i’m pretty sure this button shuts the robot down…..

Man: You’re doing it wrong! Here, give me the remote….

Michael Moore wears really baggy and formless clothes!! Baggy and Formless! Like his movies!

How’s that?

You know, capelza, responding to accusations of sexism with more sexism doesn’t really help.

It’s Mary Matalin’s waxwork. After the fire.

we should find some left-wing fashion mistakes

I’ll take one for the team: I sometimes wear socks with sandals.

Since I have absolutely no public profile, that probably doesn’t help.

Woman: Well i’m pretty sure this button shuts the robot down…..

Man: You’re doing it wrong! Here, give me the remote….

It’s funny because it’s true.

Dammit, Jay B. beat me with the “nuh uh, it’s SO Perry Farrell.” Consarn it.

Does this jacket make me look to ‘ethnic cleanser’?

I’m more and more convinced that the Daily Mail ran this 2 year old photo along with their present-day article about Cagan’s “I hate all Iranians” eruption precisely because they had the same reaction to the photo that we did.

Remember, this is the Daily Mail we’re talking about. The ‘immigrants will lower the value of your house’ middle-market middlebrow Tory tabloid. If they’re freaked out by things like that (I leave the term deliberately ambiguous) then it’s time to worrk.

Excuse me? That was sexist? She dresses in an incredibly unprofessional manner for a representaive of the State Dept.

Her clothing choice was terrible as was her make-up. If that’s sexist, then I’m screwed. I’m all for letting the freak flag fly, but I don’t do it at professional funstions.

I wear very weird clothes when I’m on my own, but it’s the tasteful slik blouse and skirt when I represent someone else.

I’m still trying to figure out how that is sexist? If a man was shown wearing some get up and hair whiloe representing me, he’d get the same response. I don’t know, like Cheney wearing the Parka at the funeral, you know?

And as I said, I don’t think she’s homely, but her stylistic choices make her appear so. If that is stylicism, then yeah, I’m guilty.

She’s wearing a Nazi-chic outfit, replete with Iron Cross, at a function purporting to be about ‘victory over Communism’.

Fun fact: Whenever right-wingers talk about ‘communism’, it is usually useful, in order to capture exactly what they’re getting at, to substitute “judaeo-Bolshevism“.

Especially in Eastern Europe. The sad thing is that until I saw that I was only being half-serious.

Remember, this is brave, plucky New Europe. They are our new best friends. No more Old Europe with their faggy shit like ‘education’ and ‘morals’.

Heil Bush! He’ll save us from the International Jew for sure!

Do we know for sure that Debra Cagan is one of the Kagans?

Or is the name thing a horrible, horrible coincidence?

well i did laugh at Sen. Craig’s comment which was objectifying…..
um…
yea…
objectifying… something….

that did set off my PEWS*

*pandagon early warning system

Check out this other pic of Cagan:

http://redakcjawojskowa.pl/gazeta/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5403&Itemid=29

Pretty amazing visage!

“Deputy Assistant Secretary for Coalition Affairs”

Can anyone parse this? Sounds like she’s supposed to babysit the Brits. Probably not supposed to piss them off or insult them.

Is this a position of influence or is she a low-level functionary?

“In a move deemed ‘abhorrent to all right-minded human beings’ by theatre critics city-wide, the DoD Amateur Operatic Society begin their opening night rendition of Richard O’Brien’s take on ‘Springtime For Hitler’.

[..]

The first unofficial NPS estimate of the Audience turn-out was 30,000. That figure may be adjusted upward as more heads are tallied during the week.”

Marfan’s syndrome

http://www.cafamily.org.uk/pics/m15i1.jpg

I can’t believe how naive you people are. That’s obviously the jacket from the Michael Jackson “Thriller” video.

I am listening to internet radio my only response is viva vagara

@Zelby- caption competition for the couple in the background shurely. . . .

man: “Is she really coming out with us after this?”
woman: “yeah- but, it’s okay. She’s not gonna bring the severed head”.

oops viva viagara or viva jaguar

I feel kinda bad for those lip-syncing prisoners in the Philippines.

holy sh*t, i thought that was a joke…

capelza:

“Good grief, sisters, don’t get your panties in a knot.”

That was actually what I was referring to. You’ll note that I’m in full agreement with you as regards the style of Ms. Cagan’s wardrobe.

I hate drag queens who have 5:00 shadows and dress in crimson leather

Remember Tori Clarke, the Pentagon spokeswoman, and that heejus pink and green suit she wore that one time?

All them DOD bitches need is some clown shoes and they can put on a circus.

What Outlandish Josh said. I thought you were fucking kidding me.

She dresses in an incredibly unprofessional manner for a representaive of the State Dept.

Well, in an administration that tolerates Victoria Clarke’s outfits, it’s not entirely out of line.

Why am I thinking of that awful old tune “Warm Leatherette”? She may be ugly on the inside, but dammit, it sure is fighting to get out.

Look, kids, it’s not an Iron Cross, it’s a Maltese Cross. Iron Crosses are black & they’re not Nazi, they date to at least the 1870s, as a German award for whatever. The point is, she really shouldn’t have been wearing that jacket at some, I would assume, semi-formal dinner where she’s receiving an award from a foreign gov’t., as recognition for her work for the U. S. gov’t. (Look at the Hungarian embassy link above, every one else is wearing dark clothes.) And someone should advise her about the proper use of a foundation or something, ’cause her skin seems pretty damn oily. I suspect a different hair-don’t might make her face look a little more feminine, though she may not want to look more feminine, & doesn’t have to.
It’s one thing to say, “Oh, she’s ugly, nyah, nyah, nyah!!” but if she doesn’t present herself appropriately, especially as a representative of our gov’t., we can call her on it. Also, she isn’t a Bush appointee, seems to be a career DoD worker, served under Clinton as well, read she’s an Armitage protegée.

And: Olberman mentioned her statement, not sure if the picture was used, & gave Medved Worst Person today. Way to influence the old media, Jillian & Gavin!!

Dr Memory,

I am ashamed to say I recognize yr Servilan reference.

I am even more ashamed to say that my ex-brother-in-law was head of Design for the first series. Who knew that imperial stormtroopers could police an evil intergalactic empire armed with nothing more than poorly-disguised yoghurt cartons?

In my brother-in-law’s defence, I should point out that it was a BBC sci-fi series, with correspondingly stingy design budget.

PS My mom admired Servilan so much, she got the same haircut! Imagine having to explain that to yr high school-age friends. Yet another memory of B****’* * that leaves me mortified.

Maybe she just happened to be in the neighborhood of the Hungarian Embassy while riding her Ducati and decided to pop in. Then, on the whim, the Hungarians decided to honor her the Commander’s Cross Order of Merit.

Or maybe not.

BLUCHER!

Damnit tata, you’re going to scare the horses!

“It was very sobering to hear from the horse’s mouth how the US sees the situation.”
——-
Having seen the picture, gotta say “Most … appropriate … metaphor … evah!”

I’ve looked at the other pictures of this person, and she is very unattractive to my sexist, oppressing, piggish male gaze. That doesn’t mean she’s incompetent or a bad person, but since she’s a Bush appointee, we know she’s probably incompetent, and since she feels it’s ok to tell total strangers she hates all Iranians, we know she’s a bad person. In short, fuck that politically correct noise.

M. Bouffant: Oh, come on. It’s an award from the Hungarian government for excellence in defeating the hated Judaeo-Bolshevik infiltrators. Or something along those lines; as soon as the word ‘communism’ is wielded in eastern Europe there’s good odds on the speaker being a fascist.

And the fact that she was in the Clinton administration doesn’t really change anything — it’s not as if Clinton was a dove, and the DoD enjoys substantial independence as the government arm of the military-industrial complex. They don’t care what letter appears next to the President’s name on the ballot as long as they get to buy more bombs.

who the hell said she looked like demi moore?

smack yourself for me

my reaction (and that of many others I would bet)

“seriously… that’s Debra Cagan?”

(beat)

*hahaha very funny*

(beat)

“wait… you’re not joking, are you?”

(beat)

“oh… my… god…”

Djur: I’d actually suspect it was for funneling U. S. money to Hungary for nuclear clean-up or the like, as that’s what she did at the State Dep’t. Or just for funneling our money to Hungary in exchange for the use of their military. I’m not in any way, shape or form excusing her or her comments, just trying to keep it real, as the kids say.

Another [of the British MPs] said: “She is very forceful and some of my colleagues were intimidated by her muscular style.”

I am intimidated by her muscular eyebrows.

I try not to make fun of people based on appearances (unless it’s ironically so, like gay-bashers looking like Village People) but, good god. Who, in the name of Christ, let that train wreck out of the house?

There’s nothing good to say about any of that ensemble. Is that duct tape on her neck?

At least she’s a good poster child for the perils of Plastic Surgery by Lowest Bidder.

Doc Memory,

yes I too am that sad, I keep waiting from them to redo the series in a fit of retro pique, but the bastards never do. I even had a model of the ship that is still kicking about the house somewhere.

Are we certain that isn’t Noel Fielding* with his hair slicked back and rouge on his ears?

There’s a line and a lot of people up thread’s way cross it. There is definitely an irony with the, say, message, and the, say, medium, that can be pointed out and should be, but a lot of the other stuff makes me sigh. Come on, kids.

Maybe to make things more balanced, we should find some left-wing fashion mistakes (or just fashion mistakes from people who like/respect).

There are no pictures of me in the aforementioned Barbie getup, and if there were I still wouldn’t share them here. But you are freely invited to mock me for my description of said getup.

Lesley, I know. I actually left that point aside, but as an old girlfriend used to say, You can be ugly outside or inside and some people will still love you. But try not to be both, or nobody will. That said, the comment was undoubtedly far more ugly, not to mention incredibly unprofessional, than the outfit, but I think we all already understand that this is a prevailing opinion in this administration. In light of the Hersh article, I’m having a really hard time finding any humor in the statement and yet I feel compelled to at least put the clown hat on here at Sadly, No!

…whereas Janet Reno was merely homely.

Er, I realize it doesn’t score a lot of points in this part of town, but there was that whole Waco thing, too.

Do folks hereabouts still cotton to the notion that saying stuff counts for a lot less than actually doing stuff?

Also, though it doesn’t change the comedy gold of the photo, am I the only one here familiar with the journalistic reputation and political leanings of The Daily Mail?

Know what?

I hate all Deputy Assistant Secretaries for Coalition Affairs.

I don’t know what it is. They just piss me off.

Fuckers….

mikey

Holy Mother of Gawd!!! I was SO convinced you were kidding, no, fucking absolutely shitting me, that I had to go out and image-google her. And she really does look like that.

Can I put my eyes out with sharp things now? You realize you and your evil crew over here at Sadly, Snark have infected my brain with various diseased imaginings over the years to the point where I can no longer tell vat is zis reality? Argh.

Waco, Ruby Ridge, ho hum.

Look. Is it necessary to kill your nutjobs? Of course not. You should embrace your nutjobs, it’s a good way to see your society reflected back at you.

But in both cases, they were armed and ready to fight. There is a tradition of giving a fight when one is asked for. Sure, the FBI does a chickenshit, shitty job of it.

But I don’t get holding them up as some kind of paragon. Cinque had BARs in LA. Put out thousands of rounds. I don’t hear much about him.

Oh! Black dood….

mikey

Gah.

Folks, the humor in this comes from the fact that Debra Cagan looks like an extra from Cabaret while at the same time making pronouncements about how she hates all members of a certain ethnic group. It’s got nothing at all to do with being pretty, or ugly, or pretty ugly, or whatever, and those of you who are going there too energetically are missing the point.

If I ran around with an incredibly full beard complaining about how kids these days don’t respect tradition anymore, that would also be a kneeslapper, and would have nothing at all to do with me being a chick with facial hair.

I hear Debra Cagan’s Adam’s Apple and Ann Coulter’s Adam’s Apple are dating…

speaking of lefty fashion choices, what hippy can forget rainbow toe socks.

When I saw the top part of this image on Olbermann’s show earlier this evening, I thought “Nawww, somebody musta Photoshopped the crap out of the original image.”

I just checked and it seems they don’t have a “I got this Iron Cross for action over the Russian Front” filter.

At least she was able to re-use her flight jacket.

Oh, and I think you missed the second best quote:

The all-party group of MPs say Debra Cagan, Deputy Assistant Secretary for Coalition Affairs to Defence Secretary Robert Gates, made the comments this month. [One] said: “She is very forceful and some of my colleagues were intimidated by her muscular style.”

And no wonder.

You know, it’s a real challenge to be a woman who is blessed/cursed with unconventional features in this sexist world. Look at someone like Diana Vreeland, for example, or Lillian Hellman. Louise Nevelson, or Georgia O’Keeffe. You either go for a distinct personal style or go for impeccable taste and high quality style.

Ms Cagan in some of the photos seems to have made some good choices. Sleek, neat haircut; simple black clothes, minimal adornment. The photo M. Bouffant linked where she’s wearing a white shirt – despite the fact that she looks like Peter O’Toole with a dye job, she at least looks kinda….interesting; serious, hardworking.

But – you gotta dress according to your profession, too, and diplomacy isn’t the art world, nor is it haut couture. You don’t dress like Louise Nevelson to represent your nation’s DoD. Red vinyl leather jackets are way bad fashion choices unless you’re negotiating for the Zima concession at Hyde!

And M. bouffant is right – she’s got something going on with her throat. You can even see a glimpse of a scarf in the white shirt picture.

Wonder what her story is?

safetypin through cheek?
they must have ‘shopped it out

press a brass boss on the edge
of the Eisernes Kreuz
a spring pops it open

there’s heroin inside

Based on everyone’s comments, I’m going to go ahead and cancel my appointment with the 90 year old Paraguayan doctor with the funny accent. Even though Debra said he was very reasonable.

I see Gary Numan, but what happened to his synthesizer?

I never took those rumors about a David Bowie/Iggy Pop love child seriously.

The reference here isn’t about looks it’s about choices.

An earlier commenter made a remark about Janet Reno’s looks. I have to say that there is no comparison here. Janet Reno’s appearance reminds me of a couple of really wonderful teachers I had in high school.

And speaking of choices that really does look like an iron cross.

From an earlier comment:

“Debra Cagan looks like an extra from Cabaret”

Movie aside, most German cabarets of the period were pro-Nazi. So yes she’s dressed very much 1930s German cabaret.

She looks like Lurch, if Lurch was into scarlet leather and Nazi gear.

I keep telling you that they’re back and they are running things, now do you believe me?

Just to balance out the nays from the yays on the looksism of the despicable and impossible to like wingnuts, here‘s a pic of Cagan – 3rd from her left – as she probably looks in real life (don’t know how old it is though).

I believe Bouffant posted this earlier. She’s quite lovely in this pic.

What offends me aren’t the “she’s ugly” comments so much as the “I’d still do her” or “I wouldn’t do her” remarks. If I was gay (or she was a man) I wouldn’t be able to “do her” – and yuck, such objectifying language isn’t even in my vocabulary – because my attraction to people strongly depends on who they are. Confederate Yankee could look like Viggo Mortenson and I’d still think “blech.”

I’m of two minds on the looksism. People aren’t responsible for what they look like (with certain exceptions) and mocking a person’s appearance is bullying. If I catch someone doing this – mostly kids – I take them to task for it.

If someone’s a real creepy so and so like Bush or Cheney or Hitler or this Cagan witch, I don’t particularly care if someone makes fun of a bad photo of her. It’s juvenile certainly, but I won’t be inclined to come to her aid. And as mentioned to D. Sidhe, it’s more the outside reflecting the inside and blood-red leather garb on a war-monger being fair game.

We all have ugly pix of ourselves and pix where we look completely different than we do in other pix. I recall one of my ex-boyfriend’s showing a pic of me to a friend of his (before said friend met me in person) and this beast of a friend said, “She looks like a dog!” Well, I do not look like a dog or at least any dog that I know, never mind that dogs are mostly very cute and cuddly. Of course I was mildly offended, but in point of fact I did look utterly horrible in the pic and that pic has since been destroyed.

Lesley said, October 2, 2007 at 4:42

speaking of lefty fashion choices, what hippy can forget rainbow toe socks.

Hey, I’ll have you know I own a pair of those, and often wear them with my rainbow Berks. At least they look happy. Ms. Latex ‘n Oil there looks grimly fascist, to match her remarks.

As for her supposed gender dysphoria, I know some very beautiful trans women and some handsome trans men. Latexia probably looks repulsive because she is, inside. Her actual physical features don’t have too much to do with it. Although someone ought to tell her about blotting off the excess grease and not wearing lip gloss the shade of freshly skinned meat with tomato-red latex.

Can someone please photoshop a giant sammich into this picture?

dependable renegade aka watertiger specializes in wingnut-looksism every day, some of it hilarious.

Her impersonations of Atlas Pam are very good.

Er, Lesley?

That’s Ambassador Simonyi’s daughter in that photo, not Debra Cagan.

Looks like you got the captions mixed up.

I don’t think that’s her, Lesley. You mean in the green satin? Nuh-uh.

And it’s that we all have ugly pictures. The color in that picture with the red jacket is over-saturated, so it makes her eye make-up look garish, probably a lot worse than it really was, and I bet the jacket wasn’t so bright, either.

I seem to be outing myself, genderwise, here, but I am the unfortunate daughter of a beautiful mother and a nice, distinguished looking father, who, unfortunately, inherited my father’s looks instead of my mother’s.

My brothers have my mom’s high cheekbones, heart-shaped face, and beautiful eyes.

That’s the way it goes.

I did get her legs, though. That’s a plus.

Is that some sort of bleached-white Iron Cross she’s wearing?

Naw, as was pointed out above, that’s the award she was given at this particular ceremony by the Hungarian embassy. she can’t be blamed for that. For the vinyl jacket? Yes.

thx grampaw. i tried! 🙂

@Lesley

The Demi looking girl is definitely not Debra. The photo you linked to is the same event as the top photo-
Note the floor, curtains and mike and the guy with the same tie.

I had the hardest time connecting the paragraph above the photo to the photo itself. My brain kept insisting Gavin had put up a photo of some synthesizer player in a British pop band from the 80’s.

yeah, i know. it seemed that way from google images. my bad.

To me she looks like Paul Benedict dipped in Crisco.

Personally, I have no problem with lookism. People laugh at my appearance all the time. When they do, I have them imprisoned. No big deal.

OMG!isn’t that Klaus Nomi???

parallel thread on Cagan from Canada

Oh hey, I know who she reminds me of. That Emo character on Saxondale.

Am I right? (a couple of minutes in…Emo appears. Steve Coogan plays that character, too.

You know why I like ou guys? Because not only can you belittle a wingnut with the best of them, you can sneak in a reference to the Damned in the process.

Jay B. said,

This actually confirms something I’ve long suspected, we’re actually being governed by performance artists who are just trying to see what they can get away with. Because there’s no other explanation for this.

That’s gotta be it.

Now that we’ve caught on, will they stop? Please, God. Make them stop.

O.K. I’m depressed now.I just heard the Clash’s rendition of Toots & the Maytals “Pressure Drop”IN A FRIGGIN CAR COMMERCIAL.

In defense of the red jacket- here is a pic of the Ambassadors study
red rum

I don’t really care if people call her butt-ugly or not. We’re not paying her to look good. We’re paying that girl from the Transformers movie to look good. But I digress …. as far as looks go, this is why the one-eyed sky father gave us beer, guys. And light switches. And imaginations. Just imagine a chick with green hair, pink miniskirt, and purple boots.

Just not important. You put Dick Cheney in a miniskirt and suddenly Cagan looks like Greta McMotherFucking Garbo.

But, Jesus in a Blender, she works in “Coalition Affairs” at DoD and she said that she “hates all Iranians”??? And she said it out loud? To our fucking allies, or at least our erstwhile allies?

Who the fuck’s running the shop out there? You think maybe Gates would ask her what in the cinnamon-toasted fuck is going through her mind at times like that? Does anyone else have a problem with this, or is it jsut me?

OMG! WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT!!??

shoot- bad link
red study
So- I think the they have a red thing going on at the Hugarian Ambassador residence

I, for one, welcome our new … um….

Wow… my only question…

Pre- or Post- op?

Re: Coalition Affairs

The Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Coalition Affairs works for the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Global Security Affairs, who in turn works for the Under Secretary of Defense for Policy (organization chart).

She looks like something out of a Sam Peckinpaugh movie –a BAD Peckinpaugh movie: “Come, I vill show you ver ze iron crosses grow!”

I take that back. She’s actually a dead ringer for Frau Farbissina in the Austin Powers movies. In fact I think she IS Frau Farbissina from the Austin Powers movies..

You think maybe Gates would ask her what in the cinnamon-toasted fuck is going through her mind at times like that?

zsa you made me scare the dog, laughing out loud.

Dang. That red room. She fits right in.

But, Jesus in a Blender, she works in “Coalition Affairs” at DoD and she said that she “hates all Iranians”??? And she said it out loud? To our fucking allies, or at least our erstwhile allies?

and then, in true wingnut form, denied it. The hypocritical arrogant SOBs think nothing of blurting their assinine thoughts at social functions but when it comes time to own up they deny everything. (As if three British MPs would make that up.)

She should have been fired on the spot.

Ouch.

Look, I have a serious problem with photos like this. Is there some way you can signal your readers with delicate eyes that the picture you are about to show isn’t a joke, it’s real. I was not ready for Cagan. I needed a clear warning–something along the lines of “This Photograph May Induce Nausea” or “WARNING: The Next Photo May Cause Brain Sezure” or whatever. I can handle this stuff but I need to prepare. I need to lay plastic wrap over my keyboard, move the monitor to the back of my desk, and make sure my mouth is empty. My colleagues need to be warned that I’m probably going to end up in the fetal position under desk and they should wait a few minutes and check to see if I’m breathing before calling 911.

This isn’t the first time you guys have caused me to orally deposit a half-chewed Rolo on my keyboard. I wasn’t ready for the photos of Hugh Hewitt’s tits or Cheney’s bag. I have never been ready for a Ann Coulter photo. Some thing I just don’t want to see because I don’t every want those images in my nightmares.

Cagan, I could have handled with a bit of warning but I really needed a warning.

I can’t tell if she’s hot or horrifying.

yeah seriously- “cinnamon toasted fuck” is the funniest thing I have read all week.

She’s horrifyingly hot.

We’re only going to bomb the gays in Iran, and there aren’t any, so it’s OK.

“Cinnamon toasted fuck” is an excellent turn of phrase.

This will convince Mahmoud Ahnevermetajew that the Holocaust happened and nobody’s turned off the gas yet.

When did Adam Ant get in to government work?

Frau Farbissina! http://tinyurl.com/yqlddn

Strangely accompanies reports that Bush does Dr. Evil impressions in the White House using the pinky to the mouth as well as the Ziipit! gambit to prevent advice from penetrating his bubble.

Holy crap, it’s Servelan.

Doctor Memory, that’s Servalan. And as a long-time Blake’s 7 fan, I strongly resent your comparison. Servalan was cruel, manipulative, deceitful, and power-mad, but at least she had some style.

I read somewhere on the intertubes that she attended a fan conference thingie, and stayed the weekend with the hosts of the conference. She was in character the whole time, and the hosts loved it, much like a friend of mine who used to get all shivery with delight at the thought of Servalan grinding his face into the mud with her stiletto.

Hey, Father Ted, I’m quite envious of you and your B7 links. I loved the Federation guards, particularly the way their trousies made a startling “whiff whiff whiff” noise whenever they moved. These were clearly not the Secret Service: they’d not get within 500 metres of a suspect without triggering the trousie alert.

O.K. I’m depressed now.I just heard the Clash’s rendition of Toots & the Maytals “Pressure Drop”IN A FRIGGIN CAR COMMERCIAL.

Oh, Jesus fardling Christ! That’s it, I’m leaving this planet and heading to somewhere that treats music with the respect it deserves.

And that doesn’t have quite so many barking mad nutcases in positions of power and influence.

Longing for those Weimar days of yore…

Fuck you all.

No, really, fuck you.

OMIGOD it’s Pete Burns from the 80’s band Dead Or Alive!

noen: Right back atcha, dude.

Re that jacket, Condi seems to have started a wingnut fashion trend.

Looks like a cross between Katherine Harris and Alan Cumming.

Gotta love the brits…they really know how to insult someone without insulting them:

“Tory Stuart Graham, who was on the ten-day trip, would not discuss Ms Cagan but said: “It was very sobering to hear from the horse’s mouth how the US sees the situation.”….

…Another said: “She is very forceful and some of my colleagues were intimidated by her muscular style.”

Good God! What is it? Thanks a bunch; I’m not getting any sleep tonight . . . .

This is a very bad, poor-taste, sick joke, right? Wait, that describes the whole Bush regime so it must be true.

What in the hell is that?

Geez.

I bet it loves Mann Coulter.

Geez.

I want to know: why didn’t the other 2 people in the picture wear costumes to the ball?

If this person, as I am hard pressed to tell the gender, isn’t dressed up in this getup as a joke, it has no business working for the Federal Government. Creepy. Does anyone take these people seriously?

She/He has the complete package:

Ugly on the outside;Ugly on the inside.

A Conservative work of Art!!

Amazing resemblance to Rudy Giuliani…

She looks like a tranny Trinity. She’s a Trannity.

Anyone remember a great old movie called “Start the Revolution Without Me”? There’s a scene in which the King of France is told by his scheming wife that they are attending a costume ball that evening, so the king puts on this gloriously fabulous chicken outfit and regally walks down the grand staircase into the ballroom. As he’s descending into the crowd, he looks around him and discovers that no one else is dressed in costume and realizes that his wife is trying to make him look pathetically insane and incompetent.

You think maybe the same thing happened to Ms. Cagan?

Can we stop making fun of the way this chick looks now, please? Y’all are making me retroactively regret all the times I mocked PC weenies like Chris Clarke and Ampersand for crying “lookism.”

I didn’t even know I HAD sensibilities to offend, but this thread’s like a frat party, albeit one in which the brothers oppose Social Security privatization.

The lights are on,
But you’re not home,
Your will
Is not your own,
Your heart sweats,
Your teeth griiiiiiind…

“Looks like a cross between Katherine Harris and Alan Cumming.”

And Tony Robbins.

Oh, come on, people! I’ve read this entire thread and not one of you – NOT ONE– found this.

Coincidence? I think NOT!

Come on, sing it with me, softly so it feels like praying:

And I ran
I ran so far away ay ay.
And I ran
I ran both night and day
ay ay.

I didn’t think anything could make Ann Coulter look good.

I was wrong!

I think the better fit is this, though I prefer thepoliticalcat’s new title.

Y’all are making me retroactively regret all the times I mocked PC weenies like Chris Clarke and Ampersand for crying “lookism.”

Chris Clarke is a PC weenie? He cries “lookism”? News to me.

Hell, all I recall from Ampersand was an offhand remark about being displeased by a cheap joke about a big fat dude. Seemed within the normal range of friendly discussion to me, but certain people around these parts tend to fart up a frantic shitstorm at the merest hint of a “circular firing squad.”

You really should consider your reaction to this thread in the future whenever you’re considering scoffing at some PC weenie. You may even want to consider jettisoning the right-wing poison pill that is the term “politically correct” altogether and making specific criticism of specific behaviors within a non-adversarial framework.

If person X makes a statement that observer Y finds unpleasant, and Y says as much, for person X to respond with an accusation of “PC” or “identity politics” is an escalation of the situation. It makes it more likely that Y will respond by labelling X in a similar manner. That’s what ended up happening in the sammich incident.

In S,N!’s defense, I don’t recognize any of the ‘tranny this’, ‘she/he that’ troglodytes on this thread. Presumably there was a link from Kos or Atrios or the like.

Like Harry Dean Stanton in drag, but less pretty… living validation of my Dad’s old saying: “Some people just need a good kicking.”

There was indeed an Atrios link to this, Djur. His mighty reach is far and wide.

And yeah, I don’t recognize a lot of these names, myself.

Whoa, when did P. Farrell of Porno for Pyros start working for the Bush administration?

That plagiaristic cunt.

That is one ugly dude!

[…] Cagan, Deputy Assistant Secretary for Coalition Affairs to Defense Secretary Robert Gates. She “hate[s] all Iranians.” […]

Was it really necessary to insult the Desert Fox by comparing whatever the hell that is in the picture to him? Honestly. And what is it with our fascists not having the slightest aesthetic sensibility at all? For real. At least the Nazis were totally fashion-savvy.

Will someone PLEASE help pay for the rest of his/her sex reassignment surgery? Stopping halfway through is just cruel……

Obviously a sex slave to some repulicun mucky muck – cronyism! She has all the hallmarks of a wannabe dominatrix too – a confused image to say the least. Being British myself she reminds me of the post punk era when new wave sourced style and commotion from bad disco movies and porn, wishing for validity – when there was only jaw dropping aghastement. Sometimes America leaves me shaking my head wondering why shit floats along with the cream.- a fatal flaw.

The fright factor is what she said. It’s the typical uninformed, unedited, ass-kissing, sycophantic behavior we’ve come to expect from yes-men, and women working for the Bush/Cheney war machine who couldn’t identify an Iranian if she/he were at a lutefisk-eating contest in a Lutheran church in St. Paul, MN. Thinking was not part of the equation here. Had even some of that occurred, she would have kept her mouth shut and her ass in a chair, unless she had just announced “dinner is served” – that which she is possibly qualified to say. But no, she “thought” she’d make an impression, and so out came this ridiculous racist hate speech. I guess that Pollyanna pose is meant to soften her vitriol. This level of stupidity AND ignorance is inexcusable and she should be immediately fired, with prejudice.