Irony, Meanwhile, Resisted Arrest And Died Of Its Wounds
WASHINGTON, July 12 /Christian Newswire/ — Ante Pavkovic, Kathy Pavkovic, and Kristen Sugar were all arrested in the chambers of the United States Senate as that chamber was violated by a false Hindu god.
Above: Lord Ganesh materializes in Senate chamber
What an exciting day in the Senate. How did this come to happen?
The Senate was opened with a Hindu prayer placing the false god of Hinduism on a level playing field with the One True God, Jesus Christ.
There’s so much that’s whiffy with this sentence theologically that perhaps it’s best to focus only on the ‘level playing field.’ Apparently, if there’s one thing Jesus hates, it’s good sportsmanship.
This would never have been allowed by our Founding Fathers. Not one Senator had the backbone to stand as our Founding Fathers stood. They stood on the Gospel of Jesus Christ!
In fairness, for awhile there, Senator Bunning hopped up and down on a Book of Common Prayer, but then he got embarrassed and sat down again.
It’s a fact that the Founding Fathers always used to stand up and yell for Jesus whenever a Hindu chaplain came around trying to materialize one of his false gods into the room. We know this from the part in the Bill of Rights saying how Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. This was meant to prevent Hindus from discharging their curry-scented spooks into the chambers; you can tell by how they phrased it.
There were three in the audience with the courage to stand and proclaim, ‘Thou shalt have no other gods before me.’
Unfortunately, none of them was Jesus.
They were immediately removed from the chambers, arrested, and are in jail now. God bless those who stand for Jesus as we know that He stands for them.” Rev. Flip Benham, Director, Operation Save America/Operation Rescue
Not to mention the fact that the Hindu chaplain began with the Gayatri Mantra — which, excuse me, but you can’t spell that without G-A-Y M-A-N.
Benham (above) needs to order new Desi-enabled t-shirts.
Shiva me timbers these christianists are an insecure bunch.
Let’s get prayer back into school now!
…Oh, wait, they just want Christian prayer.
Onward Culture Warriors,
Hiding from the War
Pitching childish tantrums
On the Senate floor!
Oh, sing it.
Indeed! Homosexuality is great! Islam is totally cool! Abortion is just a way of life (or lack thereof)!
Seriously, your religion of liberalism is sick. Since you aren’t willing to look deeper into WHY all of the above items are bad things, why not add cryps and bloods to your group? You could say that they are good people who only kill because of the Republicans!
Kevin just admitted he’s a homo. Who needs an abortion.
It’s not the Christianists who are insecure, owlbear1, it’s their jealous god. He must be soooo mad at those damned senators tonight! Boy is He ever gonna get them…
I’m pissed, too. Not about the Hindu priest’s prayer but because, once invoked, Ganesh evidently joined the growing line of elephant-headed obstructionists who have refused to answer the Senators’ questions under oath.
Rev. Flip Benham
perfect.
It really disturbs me how the Christianists keep trying to re-write US history.
“Not one Senator had the backbone to stand as our Founding Fathers stood. They stood on the Gospel of Jesus Christ!”
Uh, hello, aren’t the atheist Tom Paine and the agnostic Thomas Jefferson usually considered to be among the “Founding Fathers”? Not to mention that Deist Ben Franklin, who thought that prayer was completely pointless, even if God did exist?
Kevin equates a religion older than his own with a street gang, and suggests a woman’s pregnancy should be controlled by the state. Whoo.
Glad you enjoy homosexuality, Kev, but the onus is on you and your fellow yo-yos, not the Left. If you hate a certain religion, you have to convince us why we should share your oh-so-Christian hatred. If you want abortion outlawed, you’re going to have to try harder than posting a little fart’s snark.
Pop quiz, hot shot:
If Christianity is the religion of love and peace, and America is the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave, why did we initiate Shock and Awe on a civilian population that posed no threat to us?
If right-wingers are patriots, why do they treat cowards and traitors like war heroes, and treat war heroes like cowards and traitors? (…And why aren’t you enlisted, gutless?)
If Neoconservatives are the fine upstanding citizens they insist, why are we reading about their extramarital exploits every other day? (Hey look! Bob Allen thinks teh gay is cool too! Therefore: Republican = Closet Queen.)
Lordy those Krystos are pitiful. Fuckin’ bed wetters. Just can’t take the fact that other people exist in the world, and they aren’t going to be bowing down before God-Emperor Flip anytime soon. It’s just pathetic. The fact that there are people in this world who aren’t them terrifies those fucking worthless Godbags. Sorry if I’m being a bit mean spirited, but these people just piss me off! Sniveling little Nazis. Fuckem all, and there lying, hypocrite demagogues. Just keep sending you’re life savings to the man on the T.V., just like Jesus said. I’m glad they rip you idiots off!
I’d just like to say that the quality of the S,N! Trolls has really fallen waaaay of the charts. All the really great trolls must be lying in a corner somewhere curled up in a foetal position, drooling all over themselves and mumbling phrases like “no underlying crime” and “Clinton did it too”. How else could a pathetic third-stringer like Kevin be the current premiere troll?
To paraphrase the late, great, Lloyd Bentsen:
I knew Gary Ruppert.
I ridiculed Gary Ruppert in the S,N! comments.
You, Kevin, are no Gary Ruppert.
Can we please get some decent trolls again?
Yeah, his “change the subject, try to provoke everyone because I have no real argument” tactic is rather transparent (but that’s what they all do isn’t it?)
I’d like to apologize if my previous post offended anyone. These folks just really get to me. I’m not against religion, or Christians. I’m against those sorry little Totalitarians who want nothing more in life than to be dominated by someone else (the Church, the Party, the Leader etc.) To be fair, I’m sure a lot of them would be just the same if they were communists or something instead of religions fundamentalists. It’s that mindset I hate. Religion is only a good thing if it makes you a better person.
I wonder if Irony will get tired of dying again and again and come back as some kind of sarcastic zombie to eat the brains of idiots?
“Flip Benham?”
What, does he do some of his sermons in drag? Or am I just thinking of Rudy Guliani?
Feh.
I wonder if Irony will get tired of dying again and again and come back as some kind of sarcastic zombie to eat the brains of idiots?
Holy shit! That’s what’s been hanging out in my kitchen! I thought I recognized her. Maybe if I offer her the housemate…
These folks just really get to me. I’m not against religion, or Christians. I’m against those sorry little Totalitarians who want nothing more in life than to be dominated by someone else (the Church, the Party, the Leader etc.)
Absolutely.
The age-long conversation/struggle/war between Christians, Atheists, Hindus, Muslims, etc. is one thing, and I think it will continue for a long time yet.
What is much more significant, and dangerous, is the fight between the Authoritarians and everyone else.
Does this mean cows won’t be sacred but stupidity will?
Also, I finally learn there is one dumb Kevin in the world. Who singlehanded;y lowered my IQ 35 points.
Not about the Hindu priest’s prayer but because, once invoked, Ganesh evidently joined the growing line of
Kingubu, I so wanted that to continue with “Senate conga dancers clad only in their shoes and socks”.
But I can’t think why…
“You could say that they are good people who only kill because of the Republicans!”
Or we could say that they are good people because the only people they kill are Republicans!!one1
These hecklers came all the way from wherever to act as self-authorized spokesmen for Jesus, so why couldn’t they go the full nine, enlist and spread their message to the heathen in Iraq? It’s a target rich area, and they’d get paid for it even!
They just don’t make martyrs like they used to…
These Christianists are just pissed off that their Lord and Savior is finally facing some competition in the foreign labor market. Tom Friedman wouldn’t be happy about this display, no sir. Do you realize I can get twelve Hindu gods for just one Son and Holy Ghost? What a deal.
Time to stop crying and learn to compete in the global marketplace, Mr. Benham. Cheaper divinity from India brings down costs and makes government more efficient overall.
go fer it Gundamhead – a righteous rant!
I just read the Operation God Save America on another blog in its entirety, and I have to say – who the fuck writes their stuff, Kaye Grogan?
What is it about these Xtianists that makes them illiterate? And they’re probably the ones who want to make English the national language.
Oh, and Kevin? – I was going to say something here about tolerating religon and religious freedom, but instead, I’ve decided to say that you can just go fuck yourself.
(Not you, Kevin Hayden)
Reverend Flip Benham! Reverend Bolt Vanderhuge! Reverend Chunk Manmuscle! Reverend Roll Fizzlebeef! Reverend Divine McSacredholy! Reverend Christ Jesusgod! Reverend Bob Johnson! No, wait.
Who needs the everlasting love of Ganesha when I’ve got Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman… staring at me with their DEAD EYES!
Y’know, speaking as a liberal Jew… why on earth were there any prayers going on at the Senate floor? Can’t we have one fucking place in the government where there’s no chaplains, no priests, no reverends, no rabbis, no Erisian popes, just somebody doing their goddamn governmental job?
Of course, then these toads would get bent of shape over that, but really, that’s not news either. It doesn’t matter if they were jailed, if they were ignored, if they were capitulated to, they’re so oppressed a priori.
Maybe it would help if Gary Ruppert 1.0 could put in an appearance. I miss his little squint and his sombrero.
Does anyone remember what Gary Ruppert 2.0 looked like?
These dipsticks must not have gotten the memo from Pope Ratfucker: according to his declaration this week if they are anything other than Roman Catholics (yes, this means YOU Protestants, Presbies, Baptists, Witnesses, Mormons, Rollers, and even Eastern Orthodox, etc.) their “church”doesn’t exist. Period. That ought to set them howling any minute now: 3, 2, 1…
Ante Pavkovic, Kathy Pavkovic, and Kristen Sugar were all arrested in the chambers of the United States Senate as that chamber was violated by a false Hindu god.
O, to watch a 30-foot-tall bipedal elephant violate Mitch McConnell. Truly, I would pay admission.
Let me get this straight: a religion that worships a dirty, peace-loving hippie, Jesus, who hated capitalism (chasing away all those money lenders just trying to make a buck) and cavorted around with a hooker at his side (Mary Magdelene), has a problem with Hindus?
Oh me oh my. The moral high ground is so cloudy.
What is it about these Xtianists that makes them illiterate?
Well, they’re adults who insist that they have a personal relationship with an imaginary friend. It can only go downhill from there.
Y’know, speaking as a liberal Jew… why on earth were there any prayers going on at the Senate floor?
At least we could insist that if they must, it be Rastafarian. Sacred substances included.
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Reverend Flip Benham! Reverend Bolt Vanderhuge! Reverend Chunk Manmuscle! Reverend Roll Fizzlebeef! Reverend Divine McSacredholy! Reverend Christ Jesusgod! Reverend Bob Johnson! No, wait.
Reverend John Thomas?
Hey athiests, you can’t tell the difference between right & wrong.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/12/AR2007071201620.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
Phil:
Thanks, just what I needed.
At the next meeting of Operation God Save America, the Goddess Kali turned up and ate them all.
At the next meeting of Operation God Save America, God didn’t show, because he totally doesn’t exist ‘N stuff.
Does anyone remember what Gary Ruppert 2.0 looked like?
Afghan goatherder? That’s my recollection . . .
Can we please get some decent trolls again?
At least Kevin can almost pass a Turing test. Both Gary Rupperts were basically a glorified MOTD.
Can’t we have one fucking place in the government where there’s no chaplains, no priests, no reverends, no rabbis, no Erisian popes, just somebody doing their goddamn governmental job?
Every government official, senators included, is an Erisian pope. What, you thought all that chaos and destruction was just due to incompetence?
Ante Pavkovic, Kathy Pavkovic, and Kristen Sugar will probably make lots of $$ for their arrest (read martyrdom), which was probably their real goal.
I’m not sure Michael Gerson could have written anything stupider on the theism/atheism question. He basically says that there is theistic morality and atheistic morality, that theists and atheists are both generally in agreement that people by and large want morality and purpose in their lives… but that only theistic morality counts, because we know where it comes from: devotion to/fear of God. Apparently, if you can’t pinpoint the place in the brain, or in your DNA or in your upbringing where morality sans God comes from, then your morality is worthless.
I love the H. L. Mencken quote that someone posted in comments to Gerson:
The older I get, the more atheistic I become. Thank God for that.
U.S. Troops in Iraq: “fuck tha police!”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070713/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq
The surge is a huge success!!
Welcome to modern Christianity. Now with EXTRA hate!!
mikey
after an American raid captured a police lieutenant accused of leading an Iranian-backed militia cell
Global thermonuclear war, here we come…
The Senate was opened with a Hindu prayer placing the false god of Hinduism on a level playing field with the One True God, Jesus Christ.
Interesting interpretation. Where is this in the New Testament?
Bueller?
Kevin said,
July 13, 2007 at 10:37
Kevin, why do you have sex with the bodies of aborted fetii??
Two Flag Pins were melted in the Green Zone. One asked the other, “Do I look as bad as I feel?” The other said, “Holy shit, a talking Flag Pin!”
Similarly, Senate Republicans, who are able to wield filibusters without actually carrying them out, saw the Ganesh and said, “Holy shit, a ghost elephant! Guess everthing’s OK!”
““Senate conga dancers clad only in their shoes and socks”.
That’s scheduled for next week, Qetesh, when the Santerian priestess is giving the invocation.
you’d think this would make the Xtianists realize how absurd it is to even have a prayer in the freaking publicly funded Senate, but nope.
I found their stuff rather… Swankish, myself. ::::shudder::::
“Let me get this straight: a religion that worships a dirty, peace-loving hippie, Jesus, who hated capitalism (chasing away all those money lenders just trying to make a buck) and cavorted around with a hooker at his side (Mary Magdelene), has a problem with Hindus?” MAT
No, that’s the dirty lieberal interpretation of the bibble. The Operation Rescue Bible story goes like this: “Jesus went into the Temple of the Citi, but the lenders were reluctant to give him a loan so he threw a big fit and declared easy credit should be issued to everyone, even out-of-work carpenters. He urged them to reform bankruptcy laws so that dirtballs who couldn’t scrape up enough followers dumb enough to pay the debtor’s bills would not be able to default on their loans. Later, still in a bad mood, he came upon some people who were going to stone a hooker. He picked up a big rock, and said, “Hey, I’m a righteous dude. I’m gonna throw the first stone. Then everybody stone that ho!”
Remember, Lord Ganesha is The Remover of Obstacles. I’m surprised he didn’t remove the entire GOP Senate contingent.
O Lord Ganesha of Large body, curved trunk, with the brilliance of a million suns, please make all my work free of obstacles, always.
PS Thanks for the lovely photo!
mat, don’t you know that Revelations trumps the rest of the New Testament? Beatitudes? That’s for chumps. Flaming swords and smiting? Now you’re talking.
I wonder how long it’ll be before our religious right discovers the BJP like they previously discovered the Likud. Maybe they’ll start talking about the “Judeo-Hindu-Christian” tradition then?
There is only one reference to God in the Declaration of Independence (and none in the constitution), and the reference is to “Nature’s God”.
The Hindu prayer in question referred to God as follows:
“the Deity Supreme, who is inside the heart of the earth, inside the life of the sky, and inside the soul of the heaven.”
Am I the only one that thinks that sounds a lot more like “Nature’s God” than any other prayer used to start a session of the Senate?
Onward Culture Warriors,
Happenstance wins the thread.
Happenstance wins the thread.
And so early, too. It’s like, no running start. Just a standing leap. Good show.
There is only one reference to God in the Declaration of Independence (and none in the constitution), and the reference is to “Nature’s God”.
so lets ask Nature who’s god is hers and we can this whole thing settled and get on with our lives
There are two minor problems with the Christian Newswire’s hysterical hissyfit. The first is the goddamned 1st Amendment, and the second is the goddamned 1st Amendment.
Now, I realize that, in all technically, this is simply ONE problem, but it is such a big one, I felt it merited being mentioned twice.
so lets ask Nature who’s god is hers
Uh, what? Oh, man, bug off. I just got done smoking myself and now you’re gonna bring me down with this stuff? Man, get … out.
They’re just gonna get more wrath.
Damnable lefto-atheo-secular humanists and their war on religion. Wait, what?
Atheists can be good people; they just have no objective way to judge the conduct of those who are not.
I’m sorry, what? How objective is “Jeebus told me”? If it comes to that how objective is Jeebus?
Ante Pavkovic, Kathy Pavkovic, and Kristen Sugar were all arrested in the chambers of the United States Senate as that chamber was violated by a false Hindu god.
I have this marvellous visual image of the chambers of the Senate (ahem, cough, hello sailor) being enthusiastically violated by Ganesha, while Kali dances on the table and Yama-Dharma stalks the halls outside, biting the heads off Senatorial aides.
Thank you, Roger Zelazny.
“Kevin equates a religion older than his own with a street gang, and suggests a woman’s pregnancy should be controlled by the state. Whoo.”
Error #1: I have no religion.
Error #2: I don’t think ANYTHING should be controlled by the state except roads, internal/external security and schools.
Hippies just don’t get me, huh :(.
Ooh, you got me! Sheesh. Way to prove that liberals aren’t very smart merl. I had no idea that ‘homo’ was a bad thing to you guys, but hey – live and learn.
Do you guys hate all religions? Or just Christianity?
Oh, we GET you Kevin. We’re quite familiar with knotheads.
Fine…here: Kevin equates a religion older than Christianity with a street gang.
Now let’s see you wiggle around that one, simpleton. You’re splitting hairs rather than dealing with the main point; it’s like you’ve put up a flashing, buzzing neon sign pointing at your inadequacies.
As for a woman’s right to control her own body, including pregnancy: no, I think you DO want the government to control that. (Perhaps you don’t understand what “the state” meant. After all, you’ve already proven that you’re not the sharpest knife in the drawer.) Pick one:
(1) I want abortion to be illegal and as such, a matter of government control.
(2) I don’t like it, but it’s none of my goddamn business.
In the end, those are your only two honest choices.
Well, I don’t have time to spend ALL day pointing out the obvious to Short-Bus Kev-Kev, so let’s wrap this fish up: You’re the religion-hater, troll; it’s right there in your first post above. You might as well have whimpered, “Do you guys eat ALL animals? Or just puppies?” It doesn’t work. It’s too idiotic.
Extra credit assignment: point out how your quote from MerlAllen’s post indicates that “homo” is a “bad thing to (us) guys.”
Please do not offer my god a peanut.
How did you know about that knot in my hea… anyway, Happystance says,
“Kevin equates a religion older than Christianity with a street gang.
Now let’s see you wiggle around that one, simpleton.”
I’m not exactly sure how to wiggle around that one complexton. Other than saying that of course I DON’T equate religions older than Christianity with street gangs (you’re silly!). To be fair, I can see how simple minds might believe I said such hogwash. But complex ones like Happenstance’s? No, his misunderstanding is intentional.
After all, he’s complex! Heh, seriously, you probably shouldn’t duel with me my friend Happenstance. From this blog, only miss marita and mister doctor bimler have a chance at refuting me. You’re handlers (Gavin et al) have even given up, though mostly for my mad photoshop skillz (yeah, I said MAD! :)).
I’ll give you a run though, happy.
You are misconfusticating things. I too want women to decide for themselves whether they should get pregnant. I’m less sure than you that pregnant women should be allowed to kill their babies because it’s inconvenient to have a bun in the oven, but I bow to your greater wisdom. Heck, I don’t even like kids.
I’m inclined towards #2, but I pick #3!
3) Discard the poorly argued Roe V Wade and let the states decide. Freaky, huh?
Alow me to be clear. Abortion is not my thing. You guys could kill your babies day in and day out and I would not say a word. I’m not that kind of conservative. Additionally, if you want to be gay, well gay it up then! No one cares.
But if you try to suggest that islam is just another peaceful religion: you’re an idiot and I have to call you on it. And I did.
No arguments? Thought so.
You are aware that Ganesh isn’t Muslim, yes?
I was not. Not sure why it matters, but I would have guessed it was indian. Thanks for asking!
Ganesh aside, it is very important to have some kind of garnish on the plate when you are presenting food. A lot of people forget that. Also, the Koran is the bookonification of evil.
Hey, you’re the one going off on Muslims again for reasons passing understanding. Since they have no relevance to this particular post.
I”m not reading 60+ comments, so maybe whatevah.
You have comment replies on a update feed, eh?
The right to control your body, including terminating a pregnancy, is a natural right. Leaving it to “the states” to decide is like leaving it to the states to decide whether women are human beings. It also leaves open a can of worms as to what sort of penalty should exist for terminating a pregnancy, and on whom it should fall. Is the mother punished for seeking an abortion? Or is it only the doctor that performs it? What about health issues, or instances of rape? Is Plan B contraception considered an abortion? Should contraception of any sort be allowed? Should there be a criminal investigation in the case of a miscarriage, to determine if there was deliberate intent to cause it? I have never heard a satisfactory answer come from a Dominionist yet that addresses these issues, except in pure Underpants Gnome logic:
1. Send Roe V Wade to the states
2. (mumble mumble)
3. Moral Clarity!
You think Roe V Wade is written badly? Watch what happens when every state gets it’s fingers on it, and the numerous law suits that will arise from them. All it will do is punish women of middling means in the end, as they meander through a forest of red tape and religious zealotry.
I’m glad that someone had the guts to say that “There is no God but God and”…
No, wait.
I’m glad that someone had the guts to say “The Lord is God, The Lord is One; Blessed be His Sacred Name…”
No, wait, not that either…
If you give any thought to basic theology or history at all, “Judeo-Islamic” makes much more sense than “Judeo-Christian”. And so does “Christo-Vedic”, from a certain point of view.
He was merely suggesting that Flip’s shirt be amended to include Hinduism. Nothing was said about Islam, one way or another, until you graced the thread with your lambent presence.
Dipshit.
Someguy, the thing that caught my ire was the ridiculing of a guy who’s shirt said among other things, “Islam is a lie!” Ridiculing people who tell the truth is wrong. I get that you guys like to be politically correct. It’s why I endure your derision.
Islam is not a friendly religion to non-subscribers, and frankly it’s embarrassing that the hippies on the left don’t get this. It’s so important, yet it’s zooming over your heads. *schwooosh* This isn’t a hippie religion that will come and go. It’s real. It’s a supremacist religion that states that muslims are all good, and non-muslims are not even ‘people’.
So forgive me if I don’t prioritize CO2 as a big problem. I promise to give it full thought once the jihadis stop jihading. Until then, we should concentrate on killing them, huh?
I ‘go off’ on muslims often, someguy, and will stop when they condemn jihad in the name of their god. Not before.
Abanterer, blah blah blah friggin’ blah! As I said, I DO want every state to get it’s fingers into it. Not because I care that women are killing their babies (I don’t. Kill babies to your heart’s content!), but because I don’t want imaginary ‘clauses’ in the Constitution to become laws. Again, kill your kids if you want. I don’t care. Just don’t lean on the Constitution while you kill them.
Sophist, did you not look at the pictures? I’m guessing you did, but decided not to confront the bigger issue, as most of your ilk do. I’m not of your ilk, my friend :).
So… no, Sophist. All religions are NOT equal. Islam is NOT like Sufism, Hinduism, or Buddhism or Christianity. It’s a killer. This will no doubt come as a surprise to you, Sophist, but even a tiny nod to islam MUST draw my ire. Assuming you like your lady friends, you surely agree with me.
I’ll not say more, since my worldview involves the ‘removal’ of Syria and Iran… oh yeah, you know what I mean by that.
And a yada yada yada right back at you, Kev. What you want ends up a mish mash of legal snarls that effectively confuses a basic right that you get to take for granted, owning your own body. Maybe you’re all bored by how legal sausage is made, because it’s soooo beneath you, but hell if it won’t mean something to the woman who gets to live in the state that decides it’s not only illegal for her to get an abortion, but it’s illegal to leave the state to get one.
I mean, what do you think the SCOTUS does, Kev? It makes decisions on the Constitutionality of laws. People are going to challenge those laws the states pass, and it may well end up right back on the SCOTUS bench. You just don’t like this decision, that’s all. If it came out the other way around, then you’d probably be pissing and moaning about the process and how it’s been decided by SCOTUS and the state leges are full of boobs, and anyway we won you lost, so just pop another one out for Jesus, missy!
And why does it not surprise me that you seek the removal of Syria and Iran sans causus belli? Boy, it’s a good thing you’re not, like, responsible for anything anywhere, or else I’d actually worry about whether some asshat has got his finger on the Button.
Oh, wait…
Of course, were you to enlist, you could show us all how big n’ tuff yew are by aiding the effort in that other place we already seem to be in. After all, we’re seeing “progress”, or so the Pres says. I bet by the time you get out of Boot, you won’t have to do much more except police the grounds for rose petals and candy wrappers… and the odd bomb in a can.
Took the words right out of my keyboard, he did.
“What you want ends up a mish mash of legal snarls that effectively confuses a basic right that you get to take for granted, owning your own body.”
Nah, that part’s not confusing. In fact, I’m for legalizing drugs of all sorts (and taxing the crap out of them) simply because it’s your own body to do with what you will. Where it gets complicated is when you introduce another life into your body. The choices she makes no longer affect only her.
But again, I’m not arguing against you killing your kids. I’m only saying Roe V Wade is bad law and should be struck down.
“I mean, what do you think the SCOTUS does, Kev?”
I think it strikes down unconstitutional laws. I DON’T think it should be able to CREATE laws as it did in Roe V Wade. That decision is essentially a law saying that abortion is legal. It sets horrible precedent when a group of 9 unelected Americans can lay down laws that we all must abide by. Do we live in an oligarchy or a democracy, Ab?
“And why does it not surprise me that you seek the removal of Syria and Iran sans causus belli? ”
Sans causus belli?!? Iran is gearing up for building nukes, supplying terrorists and insurgents in Iraq, possibly in Iran, Syria is killing pro-democracy Lebanese, both are supplying Hezbollah, Syria actually invaded Lebanon a few days ago… and you call all of this ‘sans causus belli’?
A woman is not “introducing a new life” into her body when she has sex, she is “having sex”. A potential consequence of having sex is pregnancy, but she is not obliged to continue an unwanted pregnancy because of something she didn’t plan, any more than she is obliged to keep any STD she gets after she sleeps with you.
And the Supremes didn’t “make a law”, they struck down laws that forced women to have children against their best wishes as unconstitutional. Something that you, by failing to get it, want to press the re-do button for and hope that they’ll get the result you like. Sending this back to the states to decide on an individual basis will just start the whole process all over again, and lead right back to the Supremes, again, to decide it’s constitutionality.
I just wish you would condemn the court consistently by noting what a monstrous fuck-up Bush V Gore was. HAHAHAH, yeah… whatever.
Berk.
Er, I meant ‘possibly in Afghanistan’, not ‘possibly in Iran’. Apologies.
Didn’t mention sex at all, ab. I was only discussing pregnancy. Get your mind out of the gutter! 🙂
Yet again I must reiterate: I don’t care if you want to kill your kids because they are inconvenient to you. Kill as many of them as you can make! But only when they are still in the womb… we’ve got to draw the line somewhere. What I DO care about is that 9 unelected people got together and decided that killing babies in the womb is every American’s God given right, and that it’s in the Constitution.
“And the Supremes didn’t “make a law”, they struck down laws that forced women to have children against their best wishes as unconstitutional. Something that you, by failing to get it, want to press the re-do button for and hope that they’ll get the result you like.”
How many times do I have to say this? I’M PRO-BABY KILLING! Any change in the status-quo would be a net-negative to me. But in the interest of preserving the rule that only the legislative branch of our government can make laws, I’m willing to suffer the consequences of Roe V Wade being overturned.
Hey, what’s a ‘berk’? BTW, I’ve got no STDs. In the future, when deriding conservatives, you might consider calling us virgins or something. STD’s are primarily a problem of the left.
Also, Islam totally sucks.
Nice try, Kevin. You’re obviously setting yourself up as some sort of libertarian (who can blame you, with conservatism being so shoddy and disreputable these days), yet you show no awareness of the most basic and fundamental fact of liberty.
EVERYTHING IS LEGAL unless and until a law is passed against it. The Constitution does NOT give us our freedoms, it deliniates the government’s limited power to restrict our freedoms. In other words, my pseudotarian friend, there does not NEED to be a law making abortion (“killing kids! killing kids!” Yeah, we get it) legal. The SCOTUS found that laws against abortion are beyond the government’s limited power to restrict our freedom. This is why Roe V. Wade can never be undone, and only an anti-liberty idiot would WANT it to be undone.
So, in other words, you fail both the small-l and the Big-L test, you standard conservative Republican, you.
Thanks for saying I tried to be nice, Ben! It’s the little things…
But why follow up with an insult like, “you show no awareness of the most basic and fundamental fact of liberty”? As a conservative/libertarian, of COURSE I know what liberty means. And I fully agree with Patrick Henry on the subject. I’m not a progressive or a liberal who prefers fairness over freedom, so clearly liberty means everything to me. Why would you insult me so?
In fact, liberty is exactly why I’m cool with you killing your kids! Squish ’em, stomp on ’em, use a vacuum on them, whatever it is you like to do. Go for it. Murder them in any way you see as fashionable. I don’t care. I’ll support you in that endeavor. Again, I DON’T CARE. Snuff ’em. Whatever.
But I do have to disagree with you, Mr. Ben. “The Constitution does NOT give us our freedoms, it deliniates[sic] the government’s limited power to restrict our freedoms.” This is patently untrue. And you should know that.
Did you accidentally hit “Submit Comment” before you were finished, Kev? ‘Cause it looks to me like you went to the trouble to post, only to say “Nuh uh, does not”.
Look, you can’t be a libertarian, small or big L, unless you believe that our freedoms are already ours, and not granted by some benevolent government. That’s why they said, “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights . . . .”
Everything is legal, unless and until the government says otherwise. If you don’t believe that, you’re not even much of an American, much less a “libertarian”.
Ben, I love you like a brother. But I have to ask: Are you confusing a war document (the Declaration of Independence) with our Constitution? I normally make fun of liberals on this site, and will certainly forgive you if you bash me for any reason. But I can’t buy into your ‘everything is legal’ thing.
I’m sorry you don’t consider me ‘…even much of an American, much less a “libertarian”’.` My premise is that the CONSTITUTION gave us all the rights we hold so dear. It freed us, Ben. It’s that simple.
Kevin, you can’t just be that willfully obtuse as all that. You know that the Supremes can’t pass laws. A glance at any high school poli sci text will suffice, though so will 30 seconds on the google. Thus, they didn’t “pass” anything. Some state passed a law banning abortion, it got challenged, it went up the ladder, the Supremes heard it, and noted that women are people too, and that the state has no right to pass laws forcing them to pursue childhood until the baby itself is viable outside the womb, at about 24-28 weeks. Look the decision up yourself sometime.
And you know what would end Roe V Wade? If some state passed a law that banned abortion, and it too went all the way up the ladder, and the Supremes decided that the fetus has greater rights than the woman. Optionally, Congress could alter the Constitution to include such rights. Really. You think it should go back to the states? Then start a petition. There’s probably one circulating right now, go lobby for it. It even might get passed, even if only briefly. The law that SD passed was repealed in a referendum within the year. Other states have tried too.
All they have to do is write a law that somehow allows the state to end abortions without intruding upon the rights of the woman, the doctor, alter the premise of medical confidentiality, define the existence of life and specify the rights of the fetus. How hard could that be?
Okay, Kevin, you apparently believe that every act not expressly codified into law as legal is illegal. I don’t know WHAT the fuck country you’re living in, but it is most certaintly not the United States of America.
I’m done playing with you.
Not so, Ben! Murder is illegal. It’s in the code! Right near the beginning. But those nine dudes decided some types of murder are groovy. Again, I’m not really against the law, but I’m wholeheartedly against the idea that they could make such a decision.
Abanter, only one of us is being obtuse. We seem to agree that judges shouldn’t make laws, but you are suggesting that they can’t? There are hundreds of examples of where they have done precisely this thing. Just off the top of my head, do you remember when a Texas judge didn’t like the way the districts were drawn in Texas so he just went ahead and redrew them to his liking? Why is marriage between two guys legal in Massachusetts? Why can you kill your kids? None of these things were passed by any legislative branch of our governments… No, it’s activist judges making laws. You can choose not to call them ‘laws’, but that’s what they are.
“And you know what would end Roe V Wade? If some state passed a law that banned abortion, and it too went all the way up the ladder, and the Supremes decided that the fetus has greater rights than the woman.”
Or equal rights with the woman. And I think we agree that this would probably never happen, and has in fact failed a number of times in recent years. So the law, created by 9 judges, will still hold sway over us. It’s very un-American.
To be clear, Islam IS a lie like the guy’s t-shirt says, and in general, Islam sucks. ’nuff said?
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