What They Didn’t Say
From Fox News Sunday (transcript via Quiddity):
Elisabeth Bumiller: How do you define winning the war? What does that mean?
Bill Kristol: A democratic government in Iraq. The country remaining united (with some federation), with the insurgency under control in the sense of not being able to destroy the country or launch a large sectarian civil war. No weapons of mass destruction. No aggression against neighbors. And that’s quite possible, incidentally. I think it was very possible three years ago, and I think it remains possible.
What they didn’t say:
Elizabeth Bumiller: So basically, you mean pretty much how it was before the war.
Bill Kristol: Except without Saddam Hussein in power, yeah, more or less.
Bill Kristol needs evil, evil photoshopping done to him.
Something suitable for a man who makes the very, very short list for the title of “Most Evil Person in America Today”.
Pretty, pretty please? I’d even give up my super top secret killer recipe for banana-lime-coconut-rum bread for that!
Yeah this actually makes me want to see the other Billy Crystal…
It’s fucking depressing to think how right this is.
Maybe this will cheer me up.
OK, that helped a bit. Still, photoshopping Kristol would be nice too.
Oy! YouTube failed me. This is the video that quasi-cheered me up.
You know, I’d like to have been in that room to listen to Billy Kristol explain what winning means and then I’d like to ask him one question: “Ok, you want to do that. How? Please give me a detailed plan on how to do so.” It’s as if these guys spent all their time dreaming up the Islamofascist neologism (and other brave slogans such as Adapt and Win) but they think actually coming up with plans to match these slogans is for pussies or something.
I caught Kristol on C-SPAN’s Book TV doing a panel discussion with Bernard-Henri Levy for Levy’s most recent book “American Vertigo”.
Billy boy made some sort of faux-populist snarky comment about “overeducated intelligentsia”, and then went on to opine about Plato’s relevance to Hegel’s vision of the dialectical processes in history.
I’ve never wanted to slap another human being so badly in my entire life. Hell, *I* couldn’t have spouted off as long as he did on the interplay of Platonic idealism and historical idealism, and I friggin’ AM the overeducated intelligentsia!
Kristol is the living embodiment of all that is rotted and corrupt at the heart of the Straussian “noble lie” bullshit. He’s a chancre on civilized discourse, and a waste of perfectly good nitrogen that could otherwise be poisoning Gavin’s tomato plants. If there were any deceny left in this country at all, men like him wouldn’t be able to show their face in public without being met by a chorus of hisses and catcalls.
God, I hate that man.
I would SO like to go off on a rant about the face of evil and William fucking Kristol’s role in the horrendous deaths of innocents, and how different his story would be if he grew up poor and oppressed and a party to or victim of violent conflicts. But the fact is Jillian nailed it. Leaves me on her flank, with a good stout hickory axe handle and an extremely bad attitude…
mikey
Ah, yes. Another episode of ‘Serious Thoughts with Bill Kristol’
I think it was very possible three years ago, and I think it remains possible.
Yeah, it’s possible we will “win” in Iraq and it’s possible that we will lose, breaking our military and our national finances in the process. Now Bill, which possibility is more likely? Dumbass.
I’m a wealthy American industrialist. And I’ve had enough of this motherfucking Seinfeld quote on this motherfucking blog…
Just Sayin…
Pennypacker sends….
Agreed, Kristol is a dim wit. Does he piss you off? I mean, really piss you off? If so, click your way over to actblue and contribute some cash to critical democratic campaigns. You’ll feel ever so much better.
10,000 more years!!!
To be fair, Iraq wasn’t democratic under Saddam. Of course, it’s not likely for a lasting democracy to emerge from the current flaming landfill either.
To be fair, it’s not like Iraq really all that rosey beforehand. Like, the whole “non-aggression” thing. But yeah, the message is still prety much, “well, hopfully we can get it back to kinda how it was before, with a few changes.” Is pretty lame, to put it lightly.
“It took a week and a few grand, man, but we did it; you’re car is all pimped out to the max!”
“…how?”
“Dude! Check the fuzzy dice, yo! Dangle-ishious!”
“…I’m going to start hurting you now.”
Bill Kristol and the rest of the neocons are like freaking underpants knomes.
Step 1: Invade Iraq
Step 2:
Step 3: A free and prosperous (client state) middle east!
I knew that looked wrong- “gnomes”.
I’m havin’ a really bad fuckin’ night, and just seeing Kristol’s ugly head makes me want to drag out Madame La Guillotine and get rolling. Literally. It’s revolution time. To take a phrase from the boyos on the right, “Let’s Roll!” Drag all the frickin’ plutocrats out to the tumbrills and storm the mofo bastille. You’re either with us or against us.
Um, in case the Secret Police are listening, I meant that figuratively…
And btw, what’s up with the preview function?
Isn’t this the same basic thread that ran through Vietnam and WWI?
At the beginning: We’re totally gonna win and kill everything in our way!
A little later: Well, we’re still gonna win
And later: We’re gonna lose, but they’re gonna lose more!
Later: We can still salvage some good from this!
Finally: A helicopter lands on the roof of 22 Gia Long and Americans scramble up a ladder to evacutate.
Pfff. Andrew, everyone knows we lost Vietnam because we didn’t use enough Agent Orange.
Near as I can tell, politicos are STILL trying to fight Vietnam. It’s really mostly pathetic. It was only over 30 years ago, so it’s not like it isn’t relevent.
Pfff. Andrew, everyone knows we lost Vietnam because we didn’t use enough Agent Orange.
I wonder what their excuse for losing this one will be? It was a desert! Not enough foliage!
To be fair, Iraq wasn’t democratic under Saddam.
But Iraq was democratic under Saddam.
For that very special right-wing definition of “democratic” that means “tonguing America’s anus whenever we want”. You can see how wingnuts use this definition when they rant on about Chavez and keep their mouths shut about Musharraf and Karimov.
Anybody else here think Jillian is hot simply because of her posts?
Mmmmm….Intelligent women…..
Anybody else here think Jillian is hot simply because of her posts?
Get in line, D. Troll. And bring a book. It’s a *long* line.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Genl242_ZU8
This works on so many levels it’s amazing.
Skip the intro.
Michael!
Richard!
Michael!
I don’t think Iraq had a 70% annual inflation rate before the war…
But it does now:
http://www.ameinfo.com/95246.html
Ouch!
“I wonder what their excuse for losing this one will be? It was a desert! Not enough foliage!”
It will be the old standby. The libruls made us lose the war. An oldie but goodie.
Ya know, I really think Kristol is the best example I’ve ever seen of a “sniveling idiot”.
On the bright side, 75% of the Iraqi GDP (the oil sector) remains under government control. The Iraqi command economy promises to be as vibrant as that of Iran, where they are rationing gasoline.
sinsemilla taste good.
Kristol *isn’t* a “dimwit”. He’s very intelligent, and extremely well educated.
He’s just evil. Evil does not equal stupid, and it’s a mistake to assume it does. He shills for an elitist agenda that doesn’t see the working classes as fully human, and he uses all of his resources – economic, political, and intellectual (none of which are slight) to push this agenda.
And the Democratic party will start getting money from me as soon as they remember that gay people and poor people are just as fully human as everyone else.
I’m sorry – while I might support an individual Democrat on occasion, I don’t support the party, and I won’t give money just to keep a Republican out of office.
I haven’t gone anywhere – the party left me. When it’s interested, it knows where to find me….right where it left me.
OK, friends, I normally don’t spam stuff, but this take on the whole “conversion to Islam” buggaboo is too much fun not to share, and I can’t find a link for it other than the little community board I found it on:
Following the inspirational words of Californian Adam Gadahn, thousands of Americans have begun immediately converting to Islam–most choosing to convert to the conservative Wahhabist tradition championed by most al-Qaeda activists (or “liberators” as CBS News anchor Fatimah al-Qurik now refers to them).
“At first, I was, like, ‘ohmyga-a-ahd, whateverrr’,” reports Jihad al-Lohan , also of California, “But then Brother Adam was all, ‘We invite all Americans and unbelievers to Islam,’ and he is such a hottie, like my first bf, Fez, and I’m so, ‘f’real, like’? But it’s totally there in that video. And now I’m totally into it, although my hijab needed like drastic alterations, y’know?”
Now in cities, small towns, and suburban shopping malls across the continent, Americans are responding in droves to Gadahn’s call for conversion to the messege of Mohammed, may his name be blessed by a thousand angels. In Minneapolis at the Mall of America, new converts gathered outside the Macy’s outlet and chanted, in apparent confusion, “Death to Carter! Death to the Shah!” before heading inside and decapitating the giant Snoopy from atop the indoor roller coaster.
Included in Gadahn’s widely heralded plea for conversion of the unbelievers was a special call for American troops in Iraq to leave their posts, convert to Islam, and join the Jihad to free the Arabian peninsula of foriegn occupiers.
“You know that if you die as an unbeliever in battle against the Muslims, you’re going straight to hell without passing Go,” Gadahn said on the video, addressing American soldiers. “You know you’re considered by Bush and his bunch of warmongers as nothing more than expendable cannon fodder.”
Now-AWOL American Sergeant Hayim bin-Fayed says he understood Gadahn’s message immediately. “Used to be these al-Qaeda types would make their videos, y’know, and say infidel this and jihad that and just go on and on about Allah-knows-what. But this Gadahn guy, he talks to us like normal people. Me and my buddies were sitting around our Green Zone barracks watchin Lost when Brother Gadahn’s video pops on and we all go, ‘He said “straight to hell without passing Go”? Holy sh!t, that’s a reference to the Parker Brother’s beloved family board game, Monopoly!’ It was like a light bulb just went off.
“I think most of us converted right there on the spot,” adds Sergeant bin-Fayed, formerly known as Vincent Peterson of Decatur, IL. “Now we’re all bookin’ it to the Holy Land to praise Mohammed, may he rest in paradise with a thousand Gameboys.”
“It’s like a ghost town around here,” says American CentCom commander John Abizaid. “I go down to the PX to get me a roll of Mentos and a Mountain Dew… and the place is utterly deserted. Later I found one cashier back in the stock room kneeling to pray towards Mecca. I had to wait till he was finished, but at least I could get my Dew on.”
While the security situation remains uncertain in occupied Iraq, it is clear that al-Qaeda came up with a master stroke in placing a young hip American on it’s latest come-to-Allah videos, resulting in massive spontaneous conversions based solely on the hip street lingo of this charming young Cali-born jihadist, Adam “Azzam the American” Gedahn.
“Instead of killing yourself for Bush . . . why not surrender to the truth (of Islam), escape from the unbelieving army and join the winning side? Time is running out, so make the right choice before it’s too late,” Gedahn says in his July 7th video release–now enjoying constant looping replay on the recently reformatted MTV, a network which still retains its old name, but insists the M no longer stands for “music”.
Americans, most of whom once supported leaving the Middle East, now seem to want to stay over there, but switch sides in the fight. And it’s all due to this se xy young genius of Allah-fearing manhunk, Adam Gedahn.
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“…The country remaining united (with some federation), with the insurgency under control in the sense of not being able to destroy the country or launch a large sectarian civil war. No weapons of mass destruction. No aggression against neighbors…”
by his own standard, America fails that test miserably.