The Soft Bigotry of Low Expectations
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Our favorite Cornerdomites basically declared the debate a sound victory for Palin because she didn’t fart, wrinkle her nose, and then point at Biden. Here are a few other highlights of their coverage of the debate.
Did Gwen Ifill get caught up in the curtains on the way out the door and decide to wear them?
Yes, and that would be Mark Hemingway in the above picture modeling the bleu de poudre track ensemble from the Fall ’08 Haute Couture Collection du Sam Walton as provocatively photographed next to a shower curtain rod by Bruce Weber.
Our family’s favorite moment last night was when Joe Biden crowed about his diplomatic skills. “I brought Serbs, Croatians, and Bosniaks together.”
My son David: “Captain we’ve detected a Bosniak ship on our sensors.” “On screen.”
Har, har, har! What a stupido Mr. Hairplugs is. He said “Bosniak!” He probably also claims he brought the Barjorans and the Cardassians together!! What’s that? Bosniac is a real word? It means Bosnian Muslims? Okay. Whatever. Did you see his bald spot is coming back?
Professor John J. Miller, Sarah Palin Chair of English Grammar at Matanuska-Susitna College:
I’d like to nitpick at Joe Biden anyway, because this one is a pet peeve of mine. Biden said this:
I haven’t heard how his policy is going to be different with Israel than George Bush’s. I haven’t heard how his policy in Afghanistan is going to be different than George Bush’s. I haven’t heard how his policy in Pakistan is going to be different than George Bush’s.
It’s not different than, it’s different from.
Er, no, Professor.
K-Lo, apparently after a pitcher of Mudslides:
The JOKe WILL BE
Sarah can teach John how to saw Ahmadinijad.
And Jonah can teach K-Lo how to spell Ahmadinejad.
… Flatly asserting that Obama never said he’d meet with Achmenijad …
Well, maybe not.
Huh. I always thought “different than” was incorrect. Good to know!
I thought you wrote “condomites” until I reread that first line.
I probably would have used the verb “differ.” As in, “I still haven’t heard how Sarah Palin differs from George Bush with boobs.”
To be fair, it’s actually spelled “??????????”
The misspelling of Bajoran invalidates anything the hardcore leftist Obamabots say ever.
Nicely done Clif. Insufferable grammarians everywhere salute you, sir!
And Jonah can teach K-Lo how to spell Ahmadinejad.
There is no definitively ‘correct’ way to spell any Arabic name in English because our alphabets do not even roughly correspond to each others phonemes. Really, it was funny and perfect up to this point. But y’all have a knack for the superfluous nitpick.
They should change the Corner’s name to the Limbo because no matter how low your expectations get for them they still find a way to slither under. Their motto could be “Ignorance is our Badge of Honor!”
Funny thing is I liked Mark Hemingway’s performance as the defense attorney on The Wire. But his other stuff is tripe.
http://www.hbo.com/thewire/cast/characters/maury_levy.shtml
Ok, I went and done a silly thing. I clicked the K-Lo link. Whatever she’s on, she needs to up the dosage. I actually enjoy her “writing” now.
“Jason made a grammatical point. As an editor at NR, he has probably corrected my improper us of who/whom more times than I know.”
One of my pet peeves is “writers” who fail to proofread their own work closely for such obvious things as spelling errors.
Ahmadinejad
Farsi spelling here. Transliteration from Arabic or Farsi is always a tough one to hang a spelling mistake on.
A literal rendering of his name is AHMDINZHAD. There isn’t an actual vowel rendered between the N and the ZH or J character and people fill it to their tastes. It’s sad that a schwa is not a real vowel.
So is it pronounced “AK ma-dinny-jad” or “AH ma-dinny-jad”? Cuz I’d swear I never heard it pronounced with a “K” sound before the Palindrone did it.
The JOKe WILL BE
Sarah can teach John how to saw Ahmadinijad.
And Jonah can teach K-Lo how to spell Ahmadinejad.
But Jonah could perhaps spell “say” correctly. If his mom helps him.
So, would a “schwa”, standing on its own, be called a “schwanz”?
I just go with Ahmadinejad’s own transliteration, as do most news organizations.
http://www.ahmadinejad.ir/
So is it pronounced “AK ma-dinny-jad” or “AH ma-dinny-jad”?
Second letter’s clearly an H. There’s a separate letter for a KH sound.
Yeah, love the Korner’s ignorance on Bosniak Here’s some rope, guys…wait…no, don’t hang yourse…aw, oh well.
So is it pronounced “AK ma-dinny-jad” or “AH ma-dinny-jad”?
“Doofus” would be the accepted pronunciation in my household.
I don’t think there’s a “Ak” pronounced in his name. I’ve always heard “Ah.” In any event, Biden is of course right, no matter how you pronounce the fucker’s name – don’ cha know.
Also, that whole K-Lo thread is…shit, just read it for yourself. Yikes.
I just go with Ahmadinejad’s own transliteration, as do most news organizations.
That’s reasonable. Consider the nit unpicked.
Sarah can teach John how to saw Ahmadinijad.
Saw? Saw? WTF is that supposed to even mean? Are they putting together a magic act?
Perhaps she misspelled the word “say,” as in “Say a name,” as in “pronounce a name.”
Parenthetically, my personal debate phrase drinking game called for me to pound a double shot of tequila every time Miss Alaska mentioned of her Down’s syndrome baby. When it looked like it might not happen (she eventually made two references late in the game), I switched to double shots every time she was so proud of herself with her pronunciation of that guy’s name.
That was six double shots, for folks following along at home.
You can listen to an interview here with Homman Majd who acted as the translator for Ahmadinejad on his recent trip to New York:
http://www.wnyc.org/shows/lopate/episodes/2008/09/29/segments/110754
This shit happens every day on their site. You’d think after the first thousand times, K-Lo would send out a memo to the Korner Krew stating that one should do a cursory check on Google before one posts. After all, it’s a fucking website, so we know they had access to a computer.
At least Charen posted a correction. Most of the time these idiots just ignore their errors.
You’d think after the first thousand times, K-Lo would send out a memo to the Korner Krew stating that one should do a cursory check on Google before one posts.
That would conflict with her role as Worst Editor Ever.
I always assumed the H in his last name was a strongly aspirated H along the lines of an ich-laut in certain German dialects or the Spanish J: i.e. not quite an ach-laut or the sound of a chet or chaf in Hebrew, but not our wimpy H either.
How far off am I?
Off-topic, but this worries me:http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/krauthammer_gives_the_race_to.php
The man is wrong about everything.
One says “other than”, but “apart from”. That is, whatever rule there is for using ‘than’ versus ‘from’ is completely arbitrary, which makes it that much likelier that a right-wing dumb-school pedant will fight to the death for it.
At least Obama has made it clear that he’d meet with Achtungijad.
different to, old bean.
How far off am I?
I’m not sure; I’m not a speaker, just a reader for very limited professional reasons. I’ve heard what you’ve heard, however, a louder H, for instance regarding the city of Mashhad, which has an SH sound directly followed by an H, which must be sounded and so sounds very prominent. That loud H, though, is distinct from letters that represent the yuckier-sounding KH and GH.
Reading your comment again I don’t think it’s close to a German CH, it’s just a well-sounded H.
Hey, didn’t Troofy say he’d be giving us a post-debate appearance? Shit, when even that stenographer’s to embarrassed to stick up for you…
Ha now you libruls are runnin scared now that Say-ruh made people like Michelle Malkin happee cause surly ther can be know grater measure of what the independintents are thinkin than Malkin
I’m just shocked Sarah didn’t remind everyone that she was Master and Commander of the Alaska National Guard and peeking through the window at Putin.
Two thoughts:
1) When I heard Joe Biden say Bosniac I thought for sure it was wrong. But I also thought that it would be a great punk band name. I still think so.
2) WTF? That jackass is trying to correct Biden’s grammar?
Strictly speaking, there’s nothing wrong with either. It’s transliterated from Arabic/Persian script–the second’s probably a little closer to how it’s pronounced but neither are really precise.
That’s actually not that bad. The ? sound doesn’t really have an English equivalent, but it’s not really like h. It’s better than Akmadinejad, which is how conservative talk show hosts in Canada pronounce it.
To repeat myself, Abdiel, I just go with Ahmadinejad’s own transliteration of his surname, as do most news organizations.
http://www.ahmadinejad.ir/
There were those little hints of megalomania:
Like when Palin said, “McCain must leave… lead!”
And her confidence that the Constitution gave her all the power of Cheney, and more.
And when asked about bipartisanship, she gave a rambling answer that did not mention the huge number of high school classmates she hired.
shudder
But perhaps we should be glad that theocratic minds are self-limiting.
I always thought it was “I’m-a-dinner-jacket.”
No? Somebody?
Personally, I always love hearing the word “Bosniac”. That and “Guamanian.”
I can’t help but imagining the Charen family all laughing like a character in a Chick tract — “HAW HAW!”
I for one am happy to see Charen is still around. She’s never really gotten her due but she was a true pioneer; the whole poutcore scene of today would not exist without her influential early 7″es with the Crucitwits on Fauxpression Records.
It just goes to show that these people aren’t very comfortable with “facts” and all that liberal crap.
Normal writers do at least cursory fact checking, to avoid looking like a plonker over an easily avoidable error.
I couldn’t spell Ahmadinejad, and I know it. But I do know how to bung “president iran” into Google. Third result, there it is in big letters. Fourth result, confirmation from the website of the gentleman in question. Who doesn’t write with Google and Wikipedia open in the background for just these occasions?
These people are addicted to pontification so much that they won’t CHECK they are right before slagging off someone else’s grammar, because they KNOW they are right. If I were Biden, I would have chosen “to” instead of “than” or “from”, but “than” is perfectly acceptable for informal speech.
K-Lo reads like HER drinking game involved slamming back a jigger of absinthe every time Palin said “the” … & it just makes wading through it all the tastier knowing that she’s the Editor for that pack of dingdongs.
Yawn-o-rama – I think we already knew Sarahcuda had the pro-bestiality vote pretty well wrapped up. But the burning question is: can she nail the necrophile vote too?
Booyah!
My current favorite is “Somali,” as in “Somali pirates,” which always makes it sound like the newscaster is saying “Smiley Pirates.”
K-Lo:
And it was delivered on a silver platter.
Oh Cliiiif. I think this calls for a little p-shop with the “Get a brain morans!” picture, don’t you?
[…] The cheering? You can find plenty of examples here. […]
Who gets the furniture in your divorce from reality, K-Lo?
That line fucking bombed. Especially on the CNN poll dials…it was if Palin expressed support for eating puppies.
I’ve written drunken text messages with better clarity than a typical late night K-Lo posting. I simply don’t understand how someone can write a sentence like that and click “submit” unless they are so hammered that they aren’t seeing straight.
U.S. bailout ‘welfare for the rich’
Outspoken investor Jim Rogers says rescue plan will make things worse
I just imagine K-Lo typing with a Mitt blow-up doll in her arms (among other places). Explains it pretty well, when you think about it.
[…] At this point, Clif suggests that Jonah “Loadpants” Goldberg could teach K-Lo how to spell […]
The Hemingway still above looks like the promo material for Dinkle, The Unlovable Loser: The Movie.
That or he’s branching out into sitcom territory: Mark Hemingway is Schmuck in Schmuck!, Tuesdays on USA. Get reddy to larf!
I just imagine K-Lo typing with a Mitt blow-up doll in her arms (among other places). Explains it pretty well, when you think about it.
Sick. There’s an image I’ll never get out of my head.
Although, as I’ve said before, there is something about K-Lo that makes me think she is into some real weird sexual stuff. The thought of her eating a banana erotically in front of me is unsettling, to say the least.
My current favorite is “Somali,” as in “Somali pirates,” which always makes it sound like the newscaster is saying “Smiley Pirates.”
They’re not pirates; they’re coast guard.
Who the fuck takes pictures in the bathroom?
Who the fuck takes pictures in the bathroom?
When you are a parent you take bathroom pictures as ammunition for the future. Thanks Mark’s mom!
So now I know what Joe Six-pack does in between ppfffttts. He debates grammar and misspellings with the wifey, Betty Winebox.
EPIC FAIL
i.e the abomination passed.
i.e the abomination passed.
And the Republicans can hang it on the Democrats.
Let me help out: The H in Ahmadinejad is just an H. There is no hard H or soft CH sound at all. It’s just as it looks – Ah-ma-DIN-eh-jad.
People who pronounce it with a K or gutteral KH are doing it wrong. For the record, the only one of the four on the tickets who pronounces it right is Obama. This, unfortunately, may not be a good thing.
Cokie Roberts blew it on ‘Bosniaks’ as well. Which surprises me but only a bit. C’mon – if ANYONE knows a lot about the Balkans, it’s Joe. I used to have a little respect for Cokie. That evaporated years ago.
Second item: Parasailin Sarah Palin once again says “Kissinger is naive.” Kissinger is many things, naive is not one of them.
Wait. After a debate featuring Sarah Palin, he’s nitpicking the grammar that her opponent used?
Well, that explains it, then. Doesn’t it?
At what point could those sacks of bones hustling their “wares” out on The Corner be confused with a news organization?
I go with “I’m-a-de-nut-job”, myself.
“Bosniac” makes me think of some sort of steam-punk, laser-eyed Balkan robot. Heh, indeedy.
According to the VOA, the “h” is lightly guttural, but something short of a K or the guttural Russian “kh” (x).
http://names.voa.gov/sounds/5343.mp3
How many times does Lucy have to take the fucking football away before Charlie Brown finally wails off and kicks her in the head?
Christ.
Before sawing: Ahmadinejad
After sawing: Ah me * in e jad
* d, the “tiny penis” portion, which K-Lo takes home to “mount” as a trophy
O/T–the bailout passes. Who would have thought that the people supported by Wall Street would do what Wall Street told them to do?
note to self: read whole thread
Eh, sort of. Way I see it, this is a bipartisan mess with bipartisan support from the very top (as in, the two main candidates for president). Only big thing I see is libertarians bolting from the GOP…but as we’ve seen, as long as libertarians are promised tax cuts, Republicans can install a monarchy and get away with it on that end.
I hope that dude’s not considering hanging himself from that shower curtain rod.
Because there’s no way it’s gonna hold his weight.
And the Dow tanked ~200 points on the news.
Why are doing this again?
Associated Press style is “different from.”
That’s fine. But Ahmedinejad doesn’t do a very good job on his own name, particularly for English speakers–he spells it “Mahmoud,” which isn’t much like how it’s pronounced, which is more like “mah-mood.” In other languages, it’s probably a little more natural. Also, most news organisations generally muck up Arabic transliterations–cf Mecca, Mohamed, Ramadan, etc (should be more like “Makkah, Muhammad, Ramadhan/Ramazan”). Surprising, really, considering the LIEberal media spends so much time in bed with our terrorist enemies.
Is there an over/under for when the first ads blaming the Dems for this start airing?
Worst case scenario for Palin last night was that it was a tie. Get over it.
The nightmare that our infamous congress just passed should be what your attention is on.
Eh, sort of. Way I see it, this is a bipartisan mess with bipartisan support from the very top (as in, the two main candidates for president).
That’s true at that level. But congressional Republicans can now say “my opponent voted to indebt each one of you by sending $5000 of your money to Wall Street fatcats.”
Only big thing I see is libertarians bolting from the GOP…
Do they exist off the internet?
But Ahmedinejad doesn’t do a very good job on his own name
He’s unlikely to be the one doing it anyway.
Official translators in Iran, as far as I know, operate under the Ministry of Justice. To generalize based on what I’ve seen, they suck.
D N Nation:
“Who gets the furniture in your divorce from reality, K-Lo?”
Permission to steal? Ah, fuck it, I’m takin’ it.
Libertarians are a chimera, a genetic amalgam of a conservative, Uncle Scrooge, and a three-year old in a toy store.
Lots of people from Bosnia in my area. I’ve never heard the Bosniac thing before. Everyone says Bosnian.
Nah. She showed herself to be reasonably human, and scrubbed off some of the crap stuck to her from all of her interviews. She still came off as an odd mix of a spelling-bee contestant, a second or third rate local newscaster, and a thirteen year old who was told they were in charge for the first time. While she didn’t shock with complete and inappropriate dipshittery, nothing about her performance said “I’m ready to be President.”
So sorry.
If we did such a bad job of running the economy, why did you entrust us with seven hundred billion dollars more?
Man, I remember that one time I fought Bosniac–he’d gotten tired of scrapping with Clark all the time, and thought that he’d hang out in Gotham City, even though our network infrastructure isn’t as robust as Metropolis’. Anyway, tough nut to crack, but Tim–that’s the latest Robin, you know–managed to implant a virus, and… what? Oh, right, that’s Braniac. My bad! Anyway…
Mmmm, Brainiac.
Where DOES the National Review find these prats?
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MzE4MDBhNjY0NjBmOTczMWIxZGQ3ZmFlYTZmYzljY2E=&w=MA==
I don’t know why the VOA pronounces it like that, it’s just wrong. The letter used in his name is the equivalent of an H, and I’ve heard many Iranians discuss him and not one has ever pronounced it with anything other than Ah-mad. And, probably most persuasively, Ahmadinejad himself says it like that. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_Bs-cf1avk
The VOA may be using an Arabic pronounciation, I dunno. But it’s definitely not right.
They grow them in dark, damp places, like mushrooms.
Lots of people from Bosnia in my area. I’ve never heard the Bosniac thing before. Everyone says Bosnian.
Bosnians are from Bosnia. Bosniacs (or Bosniaks) are Muslim Bosnians. Biden was being specific.
That’s true at that level. But congressional Republicans can now say “my opponent voted to indebt each one of you by sending $5000 of your money to Wall Street fatcats.”
Not Mitch McConnell, homie.
Thanks for the mental picture of K-Lo and “mudslide”.
I need to go wash my brain now.
That’s probably it. I’m not a Farsi speaker, but as far as I remember, there isn’t really a pharyngeal fricative in the language (not a linguist either, so I’m not sure if that’s the right term, but that’s what I remember from language classes). However, the name derives from Arabic “ah-mad”, which does use a pharyngeal fricative, as does Arabic “mah-mood,” even though the sounds aren’t native to Farsi.
Thank you. That explains it.
I forget — are “Cornerdomites” the ones that hang down from the ceiling, or are those “Cornerdotites”?
Regarding the bailout, is this passed bill better or worse than the one the House voted down before? All I heard was that it was being larded up with tax breaks to appeal to repubs – and now, fewer R’s voted for it than before.
Seriously, if anybody’s still wondering WTF went wrong, it’s this: America is a place where the way of making a $700,000,000,000 spending bill more palatable is by adding tax breaks. Holy figging fuck.
Look, you’re just fricatively lucky that you could work out what the hell she was trying to write. Personally I go for the ‘Mr A’ style of address with Mr. batshitcrazy. For the Cornertarians it is a major achievement just to get the right person in the right country.
Kernerites.
[…] Sadly, No! makes a funny. […]
Like my daddy done told me, “A Cornerdotite won’t goose you, but a Cornerdo-mite.”
EXTRA CREDIT FOR WATCHING THIS DEBATE – She just near won a teacher’s union head.
I think most teachers were much more interested in her remark that their (the teachers’) reward would be in heaven.
Cornholer?
Cornier?
Children of the Corner?
Children of the Corner?
That’s funny.
Biden was being
specificelitist.Cuz he knows stuff and everything.
are “Cornerdomites” the ones that hang down from the ceiling, or are those “Cornerdotites”?
-mites go up, -tites come down.
Bosniacs (or Bosniaks) are Muslim Bosnians.
Back in the lead-up to the Dayton Accords, the term was also used to mean “Bosnian/Herzogovinian loyalist individuals & institutions” — as opposed to the “Greater Serbia” and “Greater Croatia” irredentists. In that sense, there were quite a few non-Muslim Bosniacs, i.e. ethnic Serbs or Croats who did not want to live under Milosevic or Tudjman.
I don’t recall ‘Bosniac’ permeating far into the media, but the word was commonly bandied around in intel summaries. Though of course I can only speculate.
Cornerites are actually primitive Chordates.
This might be the best one of all:
Rich Lowery actually wrote:
“Palin too projects through the screen like crazy. I’m sure I’m not the only male in America who, when Palin dropped her first wink, sat up a little straighter on the couch and said, “Hey, I think she just winked at me.” And her smile. By the end, when she clearly knew she was doing well, it was so sparkling it was almost mesmerizing. It sent little starbursts through the screen and ricocheting around the living rooms of America”
“At least Charen posted a correction. Most of the time these idiots just ignore their errors.”
What do suppose the odds of the belle of washington(Cokie Roberts) correcting her snide quip on the same subject?
I’m not sure; I’m not a speaker, just a reader for very limited professional reasons
Holy Crap, Bubba’s a SPOOK!
It’s like Six Days of the Sadly around here…
mikey
[…] Sadly, No! makes a funny. […]
Speaking of spooks, I recommend this essay by John Le Carré in the 9/29/08 New Yorker.
Rich Lowry actually wrote that? About the little starbursts richocheting around his living room after Sarah smiled at him? Right-wing porn don’t get any better than this.
Bosnians are from Bosnia. Bosniacs (or Bosniaks) are Muslim Bosnians. Biden was being specific.
I’ll take your word for it, but all the Bosnians I know are Muslim.
. . .Actually, if two things differ from each other, they are different from each other. They don’t “differ than,” so why should they be “different from?”
Yeah, I know. Language changes, just like meat on a plate left out in the sun will also change.
In the grand scheme of things in the whole universe, the pedantic use of “different than” or “different from” has no meaning whatsoever. None. Fer crissake already. And I say that as an insufferable grammarian who also has a fuckin’ life already.
Waitwaitwaitaminnit here … it’s OT as all hell, but —
“her role as Worst Editor Ever”
KLo is a fucking EDITOR? I mean, seriously?
That was a joke, right?
Lemme guess, Rich…the first time you ever tried to kiss a girl–not succeeded, mind you, just tried…you saw skyrockets, just like Peter on The Brady Bunch. Didn’t you?
Christ, no wonder the Right has a reality problem. They can’t even tell that what’s on the tee-vee is fiction.
Holy Crap, Bubba’s a SPOOK!
I was under the impression that RB is actually one of the more reprehensible characters from an unpublished novel by Christopher Moore.
MzNicky, we’re on the same side, but saying, effectively, “I have a life but I’m going to interrupt it to point out that I have a life,” and after I’d pretty much pre-emptively conceded defeat, is a bit ironic. Don’tcha think? IT’S LIKE RAAAAAAA-EEEE-AAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNN
Raijin: Just my way of saying “good lord, who gives a fuck.” OK? Done?
> I’ll take your word for it, but all the Bosnians I know are Muslim.
Thing is, “Bosniak” is an ethnic group; “Bosnian” is a nationality. If someone says “We’re Bosnian” then that doesn’t distinguish whether they’re Bosniak, Bosnian Serb or Bosnian Croat.
Fuck YOU, “different than” is and always has been wrong and anyone who uses it is a fucking shitrag cunt who genuinely deserves to die.